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00:00Can I knock down one of the biggest quote-unquote concerns about Carnell Tate?
00:08That he's not a Michigan player?
00:10That's a good joke. Well done.
00:13My good buddy Brian Bush up there at Michigan would disagree with you.
00:17I hate Ohio State.
00:19I don't hate Ohio State.
00:22The whole speed thing...
00:25Guys, listen.
00:28Listen, I love talking with people.
00:31The worst thing is when people go,
00:33Hey man, I know you hate talking sports.
00:35No, I love talking sports and I love talking sports with people.
00:38I love seeing people.
00:39I do like people.
00:41In the words of the late great Dick Schaap, I collect people.
00:44And I love to see people out and about at car dealerships, at the grocery store, wherever.
00:50And the icebreaker is always the Browns.
00:52I made the joke during Wooly Bear.
00:54I go, what are people going to do if the Browns are good?
00:56Because it's a typical icebreaker.
00:59But what are we going to do?
00:59It's a way to get in conversation with each other.
01:02It really is.
01:04And talking to thousands, and I mean thousands, through the phones, in person, etc.
01:12Of football fans.
01:13Not just Browns fans, football fans.
01:15I never heard of one, hand to God, ever heard one of them before, during, or after a game say
01:24anything about how slow a wide receiver was.
01:26It's never happened to me.
01:28Nobody has ever called into this station with us on a Monday morning and complained about how slow a guy
01:34was.
01:34Hands, wrong route, focus, lack of focus, drugs, whatever it's been over the last 14 years.
01:44It has been said, all except for speed.
01:47So when I get, well you can't take Carnell Tate because he runs a 4-5-2.
01:51It's like guys, Corey Coleman took the lid off the 40 time.
01:56Anthony Schwartz is maybe the fastest guy who's ever played in a Browns jersey.
02:01And think of the territory that takes in.
02:03It's like guys, I gotta have a guy who catches, he catches.
02:06And he catches more, and he goes up for it.
02:08He fights guys for it.
02:10He plays, I think he's not the biggest, like, he's compared to Jeremiah Smith.
02:14Jeremiah Smith is a freak of nature, so I hate to make the comparison.
02:17He's not the freak Jeremiah Smith is.
02:19He's not necessarily Ryan Williams, it feels.
02:21I think he feels like he's bigger than him, much bigger than him.
02:24And I'm going, this guy can go up and he can go get it, and he can fight one-on
02:27-one,
02:28and he can do things like, hey, let's not really overthink it.
02:30Like, if you want Jordan Tyson, I don't want Jordan Tyson just because of these workout videos.
02:34I would want Jordan Tyson because of what he did at Arizona State.
02:38Makai Lemon, you would want what he did, what he did, you would want him because of what he did
02:42at USC.
02:43With Carnell Tate, you guys are all Ohio State fans.
02:4690% of the people I'm talking to are Ohio State fans.
02:498% are Notre Dame fans.
02:512% are Michigan fans.
02:53You guys all saw him because you guys all watch high-level football, so that means you were watching Ohio
02:58State.
02:58Don't tell me the guy's not worthy of number six overall.
03:01And just because he ran a 4-5-2 doesn't mean that you would pass on him.
03:05It's either, A, you're afraid because he's a Browns possibility, and the Browns have not done exceedingly well in the
03:11draft.
03:12Throughout history, they did very well last year.
03:14Or the second thing is, and I get it, guys, you don't want to sound like a homer because he
03:18went to Ohio State.
03:19And that part I get more than anything else.
03:21Because I do, I fight it myself.
03:23Because I know the first thing people are going to bring up, like when I brought up Blake Miller,
03:26oh, Ken, where did he go to high school?
03:28I know, guys.
03:29I know where he went to high school.
03:31It's one of the same reasons I fought like crazy.
03:33And I didn't want Mitch Trubisky because I didn't think we were the right situation for him.
03:37I thought he was a bit overrated coming out.
03:39But I liked Mitch Trubisky a whole lot.
03:42But I knew I was going to hear it because he went to Mentor.
03:44Same thing with Drew Aller.
03:45Same thing with lots of local guys.
03:46And I'm going, wait a minute.
03:47If a player's a good football player just because he went to Ohio State or he's from Cleveland, Ohio, or
03:51Northeast Ohio,
03:52I don't think that should be a knock on him.
03:54But I'm going to look at him as a football player.
03:55I think Carnell Tate's a fantastic wide receiver who's definitely worthy of the number six overall pick for this football
04:00team.
04:00And we can set sail off into the future with the young.
04:03I think the only time the speed really comes into play is after the catch.
04:08I might note, oh, yeah, he can't get away like Jamar Chase.
04:12Jamar Chase catches a ball over the middle of the field.
04:15And he has a chance to take it to the house.
04:17But we aren't comparing him to Jamar Chase.
04:19Right.
04:19And it's important.
04:20So it's important that people understand that.
04:22And we were asked a question yesterday by our young producer who's trying to get past the probationary period, John.
04:28He's getting close.
04:29He is getting closer.
04:30He's getting close.
04:30But he keeps fighting me over Chase the lottery.
04:33I don't know if he's going to get past that.
04:34Who had two more hits yesterday.
04:35Oh, God.
04:36I'm so concerned about Chase the lottery.
04:39Is he out of the slot officially?
04:40Three hits in two games.
04:42So concerning.
04:42So the only thing, when he responded, I said, you're not going to like my answer.
04:46Because he said, does it matter to you, you know, at number six overall, where some of these guys.
04:52Matters to me if he answers these damn phone calls coming in right now.
04:55I'm kidding.
04:55Where some of these guys are slotted.
04:57And I said, you know, if it were any of the year, I would go,
05:00are we sure we want Cardell Tate at number six?
05:03Because he doesn't project.
05:05As somebody, at six, you want receivers who can literally make it a house call on every play.
05:10Of course.
05:11And that's the difference when it comes to Jefferson.
05:13Of course.
05:13That's the difference when it comes to Jamar Chase.
05:15And I said, if it were any other draft, I would say that was problematic.
05:19I'm throwing out all my normal axioms in this draft.
05:22I do think their first priority is going to be to try to trade out.
05:26All right?
05:27I'm going under the premise that we're not going to be able to wheel and deal like everybody else.
05:31Okay?
05:31That's what I'm going under.
05:32So if I can't go under and I've got to take the best offensive player for me that I think
05:36is going to be the most sure fire,
05:37I think that you can get a good offensive lineman there.
05:41Spencer Fano might be a very good offensive lineman.
05:44Okay, fine.
05:45But at 24, if I can't really move up, move down, wherever, am I going to have one of the
05:50better wide receivers?
05:51And then am I going to be having another conversation about another wide receiver bust for the Cleveland Browns?
05:58Like, that's what I'm trying to guard against here.
06:00I think you can develop and keep a good offensive lineman at number 24 overall or somewhere else.
06:08I don't know if you're going to be able to do that at number 24 overall with a wide receiver.
06:13So, yeah, that plays into my psyche here a little bit.
06:19By the way, Coach Riz was on last night, their final draft preview show, getting ready for the 2026 NFL
06:24draft.
06:25Here's Coach Lance Rizlin last night on the fan.
06:27Those top three are what everybody talks about.
06:29But if you're talking about who I think is the best and fits what the Browns need, it's Makai Lemon.
06:34If you're saying an outside guy who's number one, it would be Carnell Tate.
06:38The thing that I don't particularly, that's why I have him at three, is simply his run after catch.
06:43I just think it's so important in the NFL that you can get not only the explosives,
06:47but the way you create explosives to get to second two, right?
06:50And I've said that with you guys before, and I think that's what Makai Lemon does the best.
06:53Now you can take a play-action shot.
06:55Now, you would love to have a receiver, an alpha, out there already
06:58because then Lemon makes more sense, Tice makes more sense.
07:01But if you get that number one, as we talked, now Judy, Jerry Judy becomes a very good two.
07:06Fannin now always gets a linebacker or a safety.
07:09They've got to go nickel, which is going to lighten the box for Judkins in the run game.
07:12So there's so many things that that legit outside receiver does.
07:15I don't think there's a receiver in this class that can come in as a rookie and be a stud
07:20one outside receiver.
07:21I think Carnell Tate can be very good, though.
07:24But I don't think he's a guy that's going to – he's not Jamar Chase.
07:28If that's what we're holding it to, that's not where he's at, in my opinion.
07:31So the guy that fits this offense best would be Makai Lemon for me.
07:35And Coach Riz has been as steadfast as steadfast can be.
07:39I think he's been saying that about Makai Lemon for the last couple of months.
07:42And I respect Coach Riz tremendously.
07:45So, obviously, he feels strongly about it.
07:48I think the only thing that's stopping me from Makai Lemon is probably just honestly
07:54because I have seen more Carnell Tate.
07:56I have seen more of him.
07:57I trust Carnell Tate more than I trust Makai Lemon.
07:59We've seen him make the contested catches.
08:03Makai Lemon's a fine wide receiver.
08:04I'm not taking that away from him.
08:05But I can only go by what I've seen more of.
08:08And I have to admit I've seen more Ohio State than I've seen USC.
08:11Terrible thing to admit, probably, but I have to be honest with everybody.
08:14It's one thing I really loved about Carnell Tate.
08:16Because, you know, we're mentioning Jamar Chase.
08:18We've just got to get that out of our head.
08:20He's not going to catch the ball, you know, over the middle of the field.
08:24And next thing you know, he's striding away from guys.
08:26What he will do is catch the ball over the field on third and eight with guys draped all over
08:31him.
08:31Can he keep my offense on the field?
08:33Can he keep my offense on the field?
08:35Can I, when I need it, it's exactly what you said.
08:38On third and eight, when I've got to have a first down to stay in this football game,
08:42if we're down by ten and I've got to get this thing within one possession here,
08:46and I've got a first down that I need to at least take some pressure off my offense
08:50and get in a field goal range for Andre Schmidt,
08:53can he get over the middle and get a third and seven and keep our offense moving
08:57so we can at least get a first down, we can at least get a field goal out of this?
09:01That is what I'm looking for.
09:02And you can say, well, Ken, you can get that out of a number three.
09:05No, you can't.
09:06We can't do that.
09:07We can't.
09:08We haven't been able to.
09:09If the draft included Jamar Chase, I'm not arguing for Carnell Tate over Jamar Chase.
09:15But the draft has what it has.
09:18I take who I have.
09:19And I do think that they would probably be, that they would want to trade out.
09:23But I don't believe there's going to be a bunch of people looking to move up to number six
09:27to make a trade with you when there's only one quarterback that's worthy taken in the top ten of this
09:33draft.
09:33So if there's only one quarterback worthy of taking, I think that maybe some people are going to let the
09:37draft come to them.
09:38So I don't know how much of a market you're going to have.
09:41I have to guard against the possibility of not being able to make a trade in eight minutes
09:46when we get our number six overall draft pick.
09:49So all I'm trying to do, if you guys want to make a trade, I'm not arguing against making a
09:53trade.
09:53I'm guarding against not being able to make a trade and going with somebody who I think is going to
09:57be a solid,
09:59I hate using the word safe in top ten that's just unsexy and people hate it,
10:03but I'm going to do it, a solid, safe pick that's going to be able to help me move this
10:07offense
10:07and go out and get first downs.
10:09That's what I'm looking to do this year.
10:10I don't want to risk it in a worse draft.
10:14I want a solid draft, and I want guys who I know who I believe are going to start for
10:18me
10:18and start for me for the next five to eight years.
10:20Point blank, if you can't answer me now, please try,
10:24if they end up at number six staying there but taking the other wide receiver
10:29and the guy who's been a workout warrior of late in Jordan Tyson.
10:32You asked me about what if the Browns took the other wide receiver.
10:36Did you mention the other wide receiver's name?
10:38Did you say Jalen Tyson?
10:39I said I was going to answer that question.
10:40I've got to answer that question.
10:41Jordan Tyson.
10:41Jordan Tyson.
10:42I said Jalen Tyson.
10:43Oh, that's going to happen a lot if we take him.
10:45I had calves on the brain.
10:45I'm sorry.
10:46What if they took Jordan Tyson is what you said, right?
10:49Because you said that Carnell Tate handed in,
10:53I don't know if you said sprint to the podium, but you said…
10:55I just say go to the podium.
10:57I think he's going to be solid.
10:58See, this is where I'm at because Carnell Tate,
11:00he played in 11 games last year.
11:02Jordan Tyson played nine games last year.
11:04There are people who have Jordan Tyson definitely ranked ahead of Carnell Tate here.
11:08I'm looking for the more solid, consistent wide receiver, I would say, right?
11:13If they take Jordan Tyson,
11:15it's going to be difficult to not get him confused with Jalen Tyson.
11:18It's going to be a good story.
11:19What I like about Jordan Tyson is, from what I hear from some people who are in the Big 12,
11:26hint, hint, that he's a dog.
11:28He is a dog.
11:29You need a dog as a wide receiver.
11:32He can play any position on the field.
11:34You can play the X.
11:35You can put him at Y.
11:36You can put him at Z.
11:37You can do anything you want with him because he's strong enough to do it.
11:40But there are those injury concerns.
11:42So, if you take any wide receiver, maybe I just have to understand this,
11:46is that any wide receiver, are they going to play 17 games for you all the time
11:50or are you going to have 14 games out of them?
11:52I mean, Denzel Ward, would anybody pass on Denzel Ward?
11:55No.
11:56Uh-huh.
11:56And we're always like, well, is Denzel Ward going to be able to do a whole season?
11:59Like, we always do that, but Denzel Ward's an incredible player for you.
12:02There's just times where you're going to have to possibly have to deal without Denzel Ward
12:06because he's a little banged up.
12:08But he's been a fantastic Cleveland Brown throughout his career.
12:11Brilliant.
12:12Best since 99.
12:13Best corner since 99.
12:15Would Jordan Tyson be that way?
12:16Like, Jordan Tyson's a really, really, really good wide receiver.
12:19I just prefer Carnell Tate for all the reasons that I've specified.
12:22So, I won't be mad.
12:23I will not be mad.
12:24The only one that I might question, maybe McKay Lemon, if they were to take him at six,
12:31but I think I'm being a little bit nitpicky here.
12:33And is it the press conference or is it the football?
12:35No, no, no.
12:36You know, somebody had, I think it was Lance Zerline had said, quote,
12:40quote, he was ordinary after catch.
12:42Okay.
12:42Is what I had written there from Lance Zerline.
12:44Man, just the after catch stuff kind of just, you know, if you're catching it for eight
12:50yards, it's going to be about eight and a half and that's where it is.
12:53That's what, now that's scouting.
12:55But again, of these three guys.
12:57And that's tough.
12:57That's really tough to think about.
12:58It's six overall.
12:59But I'll tell you, of these three guys, obviously I'm going to watch a lot of Ohio State because
13:03you can't help it.
13:04I watched a lot of Big 12 football last year.
13:07I watched a lot of Big 10 football with Denzel Boston.
13:11We've stressed how much big Texas A&M football I had to watch last year.
13:16USC out of Arizona State, Ohio State, USC, Washington, Texas A&M.
13:22I'll throw in Jeremy Bernard as well at Alabama.
13:24I'll throw in Omar Cooper at Indiana.
13:25USC is easily the lowest amount of teams that I watch, games that I watch, all those
13:31teams.
13:31So there is a little bit, if I don't know as much about you as I know about Jordan
13:36Tyson or Denzel Boston or Carnell Tate or Casey Concepcion, yeah, if you don't know that
13:42much, you're not going to be willing to hand in the card on that guy.
13:45But just because I don't know much, and this is something we've got to learn, just because
13:49I don't know as much about it, I'll be open.
13:51If I don't know as much about Mekhi Lemon as I do about Denzel Boston or about
13:56Casey Concepcion or about any of these guys that we've mentioned here over the last two
13:59seconds, it doesn't mean they're going to be a horrific pick.
14:03Just because we don't know about them doesn't mean that they're garbage.
14:06We did this last year.
14:07I wanted to make sure we did this last year when it came down to Carson Swessinger in
14:11the second round.
14:12Because I openly admitted, I think the first interview we had, I'm like, hey man, I watched
14:16UCLA six times his final year at UCLA.
14:21I was watching the teams he was playing against.
14:23I didn't notice him.
14:25I didn't notice him.
14:26He's the defensive rookie of the year.
14:27But I wasn't going to go shoot my mouth off Friday night, the night he was drafted, or
14:32Monday with you.
14:33Because I said, hey, this is a scouts move.
14:36Everybody loves him.
14:37I'll openly admit I didn't see him.
14:38So I'm not going to shoot my mouth off and rant and rave against the pick.
14:41Even though history had shown at that time that Andrew Barry's picks were not always
14:45that great.
14:46He hit it out of the park with Carson.
14:48Out of the park.
14:48Okay, the other side of this is, what is the reaction from Browns fans if they get
14:56ready, you hear the chimes, the pick is in, oh, there's been a trade.
15:01How far down?
15:03Does anybody fist pump trade downs?
15:06What do I get back?
15:07How far down?
15:09If they get a first round pick in like 2027, you might have to dump me.
15:13I might just start shouting cuss words on the air.
15:15I'll be that excited.
15:16I would think that was pretty miraculous if they were able to pull that off.
15:20You want to talk about saying irresponsible things on the radio?
15:23Like, if he gets another first round pick next year, am I willing to guarantee his job
15:29for 2027 and let him make that pick at quarterback?
15:33Is that irresponsible to do?
15:34We'll see how the year goes.
15:35That's probably a bit irresponsible, right?
15:38Okay.
15:39I'm just making sure it's irresponsible.
15:40Maybe we just let Andrew Barry handle the trades and somebody else to handle the picks
15:43at that point.
15:43You would make fun of me and say that you shouldn't do that and that Keith would put
15:47up a video, right?
15:47But it would be amazing.
15:49It would be amazing because it's been hard to think about any GM worth anything trading
15:56one of the first round picks and he coveted, storied, famed 2027 draft.
16:01I just wonder if people at their watch parties, you know, you're there, you want to see picks
16:06made in the first round and then it's a trade down.
16:09Is it a collective whimper, even though responsibly you might think that's the better way to engineer
16:15the draft?
16:15At a draft party?
16:16You said at the Browns draft party?
16:17At any draft party.
16:18At the Browns draft party, they'll be disappointed.
16:20You want to be excited.
16:21Everybody wants to take a pick.
16:22Everybody wants to be excited about a guy.
16:24Everybody wants to get worked up about it.
16:26I mean, when I remember what was the year they were, we were thinking about, they were
16:29going to take Sammy Watkins.
16:30Oh yeah.
16:31And they had traded back and everybody was just like, great, whatever.
16:35Like, that's kind of how people probably feel at a draft party.
16:39Like, they want to get excited about somebody.
16:41I imagine they got the jerseys.
16:43Remember, you were alive during the Johnny draft at the draft party and they were printing
16:47off the jerseys, the Manziel jerseys.
16:50It's kind of what you, that's kind of what you want.
16:53But if you were just sitting at home watching the draft or your, I know baseball season just
16:57opened up.
16:58So if you're at a baseball game with your kids or something like that and you look at your
17:01phone or your buddy texted you while you're coaching third base, that they just traded
17:05out a number six before the draft even starts, yeah, maybe you feel a little, okay, let's
17:09see what we get back on that.
17:10Paul and Kenton, you want to take a player or you want to trade out a number six?
17:16Paul.
17:18Oh, I want, I would take numbers.
17:21I mean, I would go with Carnell, take number six.
17:24Okay, why?
17:26Yeah, because this is, this is, this is the main thing.
17:29You can have, like the offensive line played a little bit better last year, but it doesn't
17:34matter if people aren't getting open.
17:37I've seen Joe Burrows with a bad offensive line score points.
17:40Shador Sanders with the worst offensive line in college score points.
17:44If you have someone who can, that's a dog that you know, ain't going to lead the league
17:50and catch, I mean, drops.
17:51You cannot go into next year with the last ranked offensive, I mean, white receiving
17:56group again, Jared Judy, leading the league in drops again, because no matter which, where
18:02you're going to go with the ball, unless you have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick
18:06skillset, there's, there's nothing you can do.
18:09Sit there and just eat it.
18:10So, you know, I like the, the dressing to our offensive line that we've done.
18:17And hopefully we do that more in this draft, but we have to, without a doubt, and this
18:22doesn't just help the quarterbacks, the quarterbacks this year, it'll help the quarterbacks next
18:27year.
18:27If we end up having to go get quarterbacks next year.
18:30Yeah, Paul, I think you're right about it.
18:32And I thank you very much for the call.
18:33See, my thought is like, I'm, I'm thinking offense with both picks.
18:36I'm going to ask you a question here in a second about that.
18:38And Mary Kay's going to join us at eight 22 as well.
18:41Um, and I want to ask her this question coming up here momentarily.
18:43Like I'm thinking differently than how I've thought for many, many, many years.
18:47And I think it might be a, it might end up being a one-off.
18:50Maybe I got to change the way I think, because things are always changing in sports and I
18:53can't be caught in the past.
18:55I'm always inside out line of scrimmage, then work your way out.
19:00I think this draft is different because if I take a wide receiver, if I take an offensive
19:03lineman, say you take an offensive lineman at six, like now all of a sudden you got four
19:06or five mock drafts out there saying that they're going to take Spencer for no at number
19:10six overall, which we just got texted.
19:11Benjamin Albright's, uh, mock draft where he has the bronze trading down to 17 and he
19:16says, this is his only mock draft.
19:17And I go, buddy, you might want to get another mock draft that that's your only mock draft
19:20because I don't like what you're mocking there.
19:21Um, if you take Fano at number six, then I put myself in a position.
19:28I know I'm going to say it tonight where I want to move up from 24.
19:31Yeah.
19:32I want to trade up and move up from 24 because I'm going to want to take a wide receiver
19:36there and want my best crack at it.
19:38Cause Fano it like what has been said before is that you would take like maybe Monroe Freeling
19:44at number six, or you would take Caden Proctor at number six.
19:46And I go, man, both of those guys are projects.
19:48Like you would take Monroe Freeling at number six and very well not start him week one against
19:51whoever you're playing.
19:52And people lose their mind.
19:53And people are going to lose their mind.
19:54And you know what?
19:55In five years, we could be laughing and he could be the best left tackle in the NFL.
19:58But I know for week one, they ain't going to be happy.
20:00And I know we got to play the long game.
20:01I'm not trying to just do it, do it right now for instant gratification.
20:05But let me go back to this.
20:06But man, how secure, how secure would this coach and this GM feel if they could take projects
20:10at number six overall?
20:11Of course, you would feel great.
20:12But if you take Fano at number six, you know, he's going to start week one.
20:16So if he starts week one, that's going to be perfectly fine.
20:19You could stick him left, right.
20:20Doesn't matter.
20:21You should be okay.
20:22But then I don't know if I'm going to be able to get a wide receiver.
20:24Wide receivers were a problem last year.
20:26I mean, you've brought it up several times, Anthony.
20:28Several times.
20:29And maybe it's just a bigger quarterback problem than we want to admit.
20:32Some of us want to admit.
20:33The offensive line play rated better than what a lot of fans believe what they saw.
20:38I think some fans would disagree with the ratings considering how it is.
20:41But the protection numbers were there.
20:44I'm not going to sit here and get bogged down in a big fight over pro football talks.
20:48Or not pro football talks.
20:49PFF's rankings of the offensive line and the protections as the season went on.
20:54But if you take Spencer Fano and then you don't have a wide receiver to throw to, we're going
20:59to find ourselves stuck in the same spots.
21:01Because your wide receiver play wasn't very good.
21:04So if I take a project at number six, now I'm really nervous because then I think I might
21:08take another project at 24.
21:09If I take Fano at number six, then I think I have to move up.
21:13Well, how am I going to move up?
21:14Then I create a market against myself to possibly move up.
21:17That's what I'm trying to guard against.
21:19Because I still think you can get yourself a good offensive lineman at 24 or move up a
21:23little bit to get a really good offensive lineman for you instead of the other way around with
21:27the wide receivers.
21:28I think it could be dried up.
21:29How sure of what all the other teams, how sure can you truly be?
21:34What is amazing is after all these drafts, when the GMs actually do the very few that
21:39actually go in depth, it is amazing sometimes how much they do know about other teams.
21:43And they do, they base it on the needs, obviously.
21:46But how they can anticipate what other teams are going to do on a draft day.
21:51And they're not getting it just from media reports, right?
21:53They're actually talking to people around the league.
21:56And that's part of the job.
21:57That's part of the job.
21:58You don't just talk to teams to talk about a specific trade.
22:01You're trying to gather intel on everybody.
22:03And you build your allies around the league.
22:06And so that part of the draft is always really amazing to me.
22:09Because the Browns will operate out of some informed area, some informed angle when they
22:18proceed to make a trade-up like that from 24 overall.
22:21Because they're going to sit there and go, well, we know what they might do.
22:24We know their proclivities.
22:25We know their guardrails.
22:27Like, that's a big part of...
22:28There is espionage, right?
22:31There's gathering intel on how all these other organizations deal with, especially on draft
22:36night from their war room.
22:37Now, going back to what Charles Davis told us yesterday, I want to ask you this.
22:41Are you more willing to, if they go with Fano at number six, are you willing to then go maybe
22:46defense at number 24 and not force our hands with a wide receiver?
22:49Knowing that our wide receiver room is one of the worst in the NFL.
22:53Yeah, that's a tough one.
22:53That would be a tough pill to swallow.
22:54Because Charles had brought up Emmanuel McNeil Warren out of Toledo.
22:58And he can fly.
23:00He's a good player.
23:01He just happens to play defense.
23:03Are you more in best overall player?
23:05Because you could be like, hey, he's definitely worth the 24th overall pick if he were there
23:09at 24.
23:09But he plays defense.
23:11I hate to be so stubborn, Ken.
23:13It's a tough sell about that, man.
23:15I hate to be so stubborn.
23:16But if they went lineman at six, I think they got to trade up to get the wide receiver they
23:20want later in the first round.
23:22I think so, too.
23:22Because you want more cracks at it, maybe.
23:24But are nine picks going to suit you in a draft that you really don't particularly care for?
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