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00:00A couple of news stories before we get going on this Dexter Lawrence trade that happened over the weekend.
00:07One, Adam Schefter's report, there's a couple of like, there's been a couple of like Patriots bloggers podcast hosts
00:14who are saying it's like a done deal, like he's already with the Patriots, A.J. Brown.
00:18Yeah, I saw that.
00:19According to Adam Schefter, A.J. Brown is likely to become a Patriot post-June 1st per ESPN sources.
00:25It says the Eagles remain open to trading him.
00:29The Patriots remain highly invested in acquiring the star receiver and conversations are expected to resume shortly on or before
00:35June 1,
00:36likely culminating in a deal per league sources.
00:40As one source said about the Patriots' pursuit of Brown, quote, they'll definitely be engaging then.
00:45A trade to New England is now considered likely.
00:47Now considered likely.
00:49Speaking of New England, Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk, says the Patriots reportedly tried to stop the New York Post
00:55from publishing the Mike Vrabel, Diana Rossini photo.
00:59So it's a big Patriots morning in the NFL today.
01:01I saw that story, too.
01:03I thought that was...
01:03Oh, gosh.
01:05It's very interesting.
01:06I love the news stories when it incorporates.
01:08When they say the Patriots, I mean, what they're talking about is their billionaire owner.
01:13Their billionaire owner who has been in the news and has had his own fair share of scandal in the
01:20past.
01:20Like, to think about him trying to throw his weight around and his money and having it not succeed.
01:27It's pretty...
01:28When those guys don't get their way, to me, that is newsworthy.
01:32216-474-0092.
01:34Coming up at 8 o'clock, 822, Darrell Ryder going to join us on the show.
01:37I do want to ask him about Carnell Tate or Jordan Tyson because there has been a push for Jordan
01:41Tyson.
01:41I'm still on the side of Tate, and I'll tell you why coming up at 8 o'clock this morning.
01:46However, over the weekend, trade was made.
01:50Dexter Lawrence, he's on his way to Cincinnati.
01:52It's a first-round pick.
01:55The No. 10 pick goes to the New York Giants, so they have picks No. 5 and pick No. 10
02:00in the first round.
02:01The Bengals give up...
02:02What?
02:02The Bengals give up No. 10 overall.
02:04They get Dexter Lawrence for their football team.
02:06Hey, this is Lawrence.
02:07Got Lawrence here.
02:08Okay, for the love of God.
02:09I thought I said something wrong there.
02:12We have time later on in the show to discuss you-know-who.
02:16Because every time somebody gets moved, it's...
02:19Guys, it's natural.
02:20Someone moves in your neighborhood.
02:21I've brought this analogy up several times.
02:23Someone sells their house in the neighborhood.
02:25You think it was over what they should have got for it.
02:28You sit there and you kind of sit with your wife and over morning coffee and kind of sit
02:32there and discuss, you know, what if we kick the tires on moving?
02:37Everybody does it.
02:38And when it's your own division, you're going to do that.
02:41So we'll talk about that another time coming up later on in this show.
02:44So the big question is, are we forced to take a wide receiver now at No. 6?
02:48Because it seems that they got...
02:49They'll probably take...
02:51Are you thinking Reuben Bain at No. 5?
02:53Maybe.
02:54They might take a defensive guy at No. 5 overall that's not Reuben Bain.
02:58And then they might turn right around and take a wide receiver at 10.
03:00So I think this kind of forces your hands to go,
03:02if you really like Jordan Tyson, take Jordan Tyson.
03:05I like Carnell Tate.
03:06I'll take Carnell Tate at 6 and we'll move on.
03:08Yes?
03:08I kept hearing Sonny Stiles or Caleb Downs yesterday at No. 5.
03:14Those are, again, two defensive guys?
03:17That's fine.
03:17That's fine.
03:18That's a defensive guy at No. 5 and then a wide receiver at No. 10.
03:22That's fine.
03:23Now, they could do it a little bit differently,
03:25but they're going to get less on the defensive end if they go at 10.
03:27But I do think that you're going to have a run of guys,
03:31just like what Peter Schrager says.
03:32I think you're about forced your hand to take a wide receiver there at No. 6
03:39and hope that that guy's going to be great because I think that these guys,
03:42my issue is if you reach on a tackle at No. 6, okay, great.
03:47You better hope he's good.
03:48I'm looking at, in a not-so-great draft,
03:51I'm trying to find two solid pieces that are going to be starters for my team
03:56for a long time.
03:57I know we all expect top 10 picks to be Hall of Famers,
04:00and if they're not Hall of Famers, we think they're busts.
04:02But I think that going this route, wide receiver first,
04:06then offensive tackle, offensive lineman,
04:09I think it maximizes your chances to have good football players
04:13and success in the draft, unlike the way doing it opposite
04:17where you take a lineman and then you take a wide receiver
04:19because I don't know how many great wide receivers you're going to have
04:21by the time 24 comes around.
04:22It's what I think we've been kind of in lockstep on this for a while.
04:26At the beginning of the process, before we got a real up-close examination
04:31of these offensive linemen, I'm like, no, you've got to take an offensive lineman early
04:34because who's going to be around when you have that other chance to pick?
04:38But just none of them seem like they have the profile of somebody
04:42who you would put in that situation.
04:45I get it.
04:45Wide receiver, kind of the same thing.
04:47Like, Cardinal Tate in most drafts is not sniffing the top 10,
04:51maybe not top 15, maybe even not top 20.
04:54But that's this draft.
04:55Top 10, top 15 is fine.
04:57I don't know.
04:58But in this draft, he's worthy to take number six.
05:02And I don't think anybody's going to bemoan that.
05:06Once they turn in that pick, I think there'll be excitement.
05:09And this shouldn't matter, but it does with fans.
05:11In fact, he played at Ohio State.
05:13So fans have seen him.
05:14They've seen him in big games.
05:15I know there's one alligator arms highlight that people keep.
05:19You can do that with every wide receiver.
05:21I did see it was interesting.
05:23Like, there was one Jordan Tyson, was it a workout or whatever that people were showing him,
05:28look really athletic and do this spinning, leaping catch.
05:32And I'm just like, I'm sure we can find one of those for Cardinal Tate, too.
05:36Like, I don't think it makes, like, one highlight where guys aren't even playing in an actual football game.
05:42I don't think that should be the difference in who you take at number six overall.
05:46I also want to know, does this make it less likely that you want to trade back?
05:49Want to trade back.
05:50Not that they would trade back.
05:51Like, if you know that there's another wide receiver going at number 10,
05:55or if you believe strongly, like, one of these two picks is going to be a wide out for the
05:59Giants.
06:02If you believe that there's less wide receivers that are going to be available,
06:06that you really want at number 12, I know we keep talking about the Cowboys moving up.
06:11You know, does it make it less likely to get out of that spot for you?
06:13Do you think there's a giant gap?
06:15There's three wide receivers everyone really has talked about.
06:18No, I don't think that there's a giant gap.
06:19So if you don't think there's a big gap between the wide receivers, why wouldn't you trade down?
06:23I'm just asking whether or not you would.
06:25Because you'd still be able to get one, and then you, like, I get it.
06:30I get it.
06:30The teams say they fall in love with a player every time they take them.
06:33But yeah, of course they do.
06:34But I'd love to see the draft board.
06:36I'd love to see if that's really the case.
06:37If there's any kind of a gap.
06:38They're just going to sit there and tell their fans they really didn't like the guy.
06:40Yeah, so I think if most of the conventional wisdom is there isn't much of a gap between those wide
06:45receivers.
06:46So if you can extract another pick, then you'd have to do so.
06:49Especially on a bad football team.
06:51If you go from Tyson Tate, Mekhi Lemon, KC Conception, who certainly helped himself out with the letter he wrote,
07:00and all the other good things about him that everybody loves.
07:02What was the letter?
07:03He wrote a big thing about how he's basically going to be a Hall of Famer, and he's a great
07:07player, and everybody loved it.
07:08It was like a Players' Tribune thing, I think, without the Players' Tribune.
07:11It was like a letter to any team that takes him.
07:13So you got five guys there that you could possibly take.
07:17By the time you get to 23, or by the time you get to 24, like, that could possibly be
07:21it.
07:21And now I think that you're kind of stuck where you take a project as an offensive lineman,
07:26and then you take another project, it would seem as a wide receiver,
07:28and all of a sudden you're out on your ass as a general manager.
07:30Because you're a year-to-year type of...
07:32Without a doubt, it's definitely risky.
07:34This is a year-to-year job for him now.
07:35You kind of put me on the spot about trading back after this Dexter Lawrence move with the Cincinnati Bengals.
07:40We'll talk about you-know-who with Daryl Ryder coming up at 820 this morning.
07:43We'll ask him the possibilities of it, okay?
07:45I'm not going to sit there and chew the fat on something that I don't think is going to happen
07:48before the draft,
07:49week of the draft.
07:50It might happen after June, but we'll talk about that then.
07:52All right.
07:53With this move with Dexter Lawrence going to the Cincinnati Bengals,
07:56one, do you think it makes us almost guarantee a wide receiver at 6?
08:02Two, do you think that this hurts us from possibly doing what's necessary to trade back?
08:08Not that teams won't trade up, but there is a law of diminishing returns the further you go back in
08:13the first round here.
08:13And I just don't want to be caught after, like, if you do trade back, people want wide receivers so
08:20badly.
08:20Like, I heard Nick.
08:21I'm going to play the Nick audio coming up at 8 o'clock.
08:23I respect Nick's position on Jordan Tyson.
08:25If you want to take Jordan Tyson, fine.
08:27I just think that one guy is more of a sure thing.
08:29I think that Carnell Tate's a better sure thing as far as just being a good, solid wide receiver.
08:35If you want to take either one of them, I think that conversation's over then.
08:40At 12, possibly, of those two guys that you want to take, that's done.
08:45And then you're kind of taking the extras at 12 or 15 or wherever you would want to trade back
08:51to.
08:51Let me ask you, the Carnell Tate thing is that people are worried about his ceiling.
08:55They think there's a limited ceiling there.
08:57Yes.
08:57And normally at number six, you don't like taking guys with a limited ceiling.
09:01And Jordan Tyson has a high ceiling.
09:02And I would say, honestly, I would agree with anybody who says he has a higher ceiling.
09:05But if I can't get the guy on the field, then we're just talking about the same stuff.
09:09Like, he's battled a lot of injuries so far.
09:12Some injuries, like, yeah, there's some guys, they end up being injured players at times.
09:17And then they never have injuries again.
09:19And they end up being great players.
09:21I mean, Zydrunas Ogalskis had, and I know it's a different sport,
09:24had serious foot problems at the beginning of his career, got past those,
09:28ended up having a brilliant career with the Cleveland Cavaliers and having his number retired.
09:31Okay, that's one.
09:32Some guys do have that.
09:33But I have to guard against the injury there in some cases,
09:35because I need to get myself somebody solid.
09:37That's part of my reasoning for taking Carnell Tate.
09:40If you want Jordan Tyson, hey, that's fine, too.
09:42I don't think that this is the type of draft to start screaming and yelling at everybody,
09:46because I think it's wide open.
09:48I don't know how great these guys are going to be, but I know it's wide open for help.
09:52So if you want to take that guy, that's great.
09:54But I don't know if, I think neither are going to be there if you trade back just a few
09:59spots.
09:59So if you trade back just a few spots, especially if you end up at No. 11,
10:03I mean, you're really shooting yourself in the foot there,
10:05and then you've got to take the best of the rest, quote-unquote.
10:07Yeah, just the Tyson thing's interesting, because I was joking,
10:11and I just swiveled around the computer screen so you could see him going up.
10:15And people are like, man, he is floating in the air, but of course there's no defensive players,
10:21there's no pads, there's no anything.
10:22But you could see the athleticism on display for somebody who suffered back with Colorado in 2022.
10:28I think it was the ACL, MCL, PCL injury.
10:32He had a collarbone injury that cost him with Arizona State and missing big games there.
10:37So is that something that is going to, when you're seeing the athleticism now,
10:43it's like, man, that doesn't look like a guy who's worried about any injuries
10:46or has any long-term issues with the injuries.
10:49It's just, when you get branded as an injury-prone player.
10:52It's tough to come.
10:53Well, it's certainly tough.
10:54It's tough getting ready for the draft.
10:55Honestly, here's the bad part.
10:57It's just when a GM takes a chance on a guy that has an injury history,
11:02if they get injured again, then immediately it's like, well, you're supposed to know.
11:07And it's like, well, am I supposed to predict injuries too?
11:10Well, I remember the first thought because there were concerns like Miles might end up being injured.
11:13And Miles has had, obviously, a relatively very healthy career.
11:16But there were concerns coming out of Texas A&M that there were some injury concerns there.
11:20And then I remember what the first OTAs kind of had that foot issue that was going on.
11:24I remember he had to walk into the, and we were going, here we go.
11:27This is the beginning of it.
11:28It's all over again.
11:30And then he ended up having one of the, obviously, he could end up being the greatest pass rusher of
11:33all time
11:34by the time it's all said and done.
11:35So there's always going to be an issue with certain guys.
11:38I'm just thinking, I'm trying to get the best wide receiver I possibly can.
11:41I think that at 24, it's going to be a bit of a project at who that offensive lineman is
11:46going to be.
11:47And yeah, I saw the photos of DeJuan Jones over the weekend.
11:50It looks, he's had three straight years where he's had season-ending injuries.
11:55He looks great.
11:56I wish the best for him, but I have to be prepared for the future.
11:59He's the incredible shrinking DeJuan Jones.
12:02I cannot believe how fit he looks.
12:06It's incredible.
12:07Very thin.
12:07Now, is that going to mess with him at all in run blocking or anything like that?
12:12I mean, he looks like he's lost 100 pounds.
12:14He looks like he's lost plenty of weight again.
12:16But, like, if you were to find yourself at 12, 13, 14, somewhere in there, you know, is Omar Cooper
12:23still there for you?
12:25Would you be happy with him?
12:26The kid out of Indiana.
12:28So you're talking about if they were to trade down?
12:30Yes, of course.
12:31Of course.
12:32Because, again, when you get to number 10 with the Giants, I think that they're going to take a wide
12:37receiver with a bullet there.
12:38They might do it differently.
12:40They might take a wide receiver before you.
12:41And then maybe, naturally, Jordan Tyson is right there for you at number 5.
12:45If they take Carnell Tate at number 5 or they take Tyson at number 5, then either one of those
12:50guys is right there for you.
12:51And you could kind of guard against it.
12:52Because I think there's a mix of need.
12:54And I think there's a mix, obviously, of best overall players.
12:56Right, because they kind of control a little more of the draft now, the fact that the Giants got back
13:01in at 10 and they're sitting there at 5.
13:03And I kind of saw what Owens saw with some of the quick mocks after that Dexter Lawrence trade with
13:09whether it was Caleb Downs.
13:12Sonny Stiles was the one that I was like, oh, okay.
13:15Man, so, you know, what's so interesting is I do not think the Browns are going to go that route.
13:20I know we've seen mocks of every different type of player for the Browns at number 6 overall.
13:25But I'm not really buying that they would take Caleb Downs there.
13:28I'm just not.
13:29Maybe they'll shock me.
13:31But, again, if the Giants are picking one spot above you and, you know, they go that route, I think
13:38it makes it pretty easy.
13:39And that was the other thing.
13:40I saw Giants taking wide receiver at 10.
13:42Well, if they take them at 10, could they take them at 5?
13:45And then does that start the run and the Browns have to get in on that now?
13:49Yeah, I think so.
13:50But I will tell you.
13:51I'll tell you.
13:52Yeah, so real quick, just to set the stage.
13:54When you hear the music and the Giants are sitting there at 5 and we're on deck, and if they
14:01were to pull the trigger on Carnell Tate at number 5 overall.
14:05I think it starts to get your heart pumping.
14:08That's the first time I'll be like, whoa, whoa.
14:10All right.
14:11Now this gets fascinating.
14:13I have no idea what the Browns are going to do.
14:15But if it were close, like if none of these guys are really jumping off, like there's a Jeremiah Smith,
14:21okay, go to next year.
14:22Jeremiah Smith, he's the first non-quarterback off the board.
14:25If you were drafting right now, right?
14:26I know there's a lot of time to play out.
14:28We have a whole football season ahead.
14:29But if we're doing it right now, Jeremiah Smith is the first non-quarterback that's coming off the board.
14:34All right.
14:35We don't really have that in this draft.
14:36So if they take a defensive guy, Owen, I love when he brought up Sonny Stiles or Arvell Reese.
14:42If they take a defensive guy at number 5, then it does open you up.
14:46Because if you think, hey, Jordan Tyson has a high ceiling, there's injuries, Carnell Tate has a lower ceiling, there's
14:52not as many injuries, can we use this guy?
14:54Could we possibly trade back and be happier with one or the other or happy with somebody else and we
15:01don't have to trade back that far?
15:02That's fine.
15:03Now, if they take a wide receiver at number 5, they're probably not going to take another wide receiver at
15:07number 10.
15:08But it does kind of get your blood pumping and going, well, we want one of the two guys, we
15:13want one of the two best, and we're going to be drafting up here.
15:15Maybe it's just better if we stay up here.
15:17Because if you're just giving me more picks in 2026, how great are those picks going to be?
15:21It's not as deep of a draft.
15:23Now, if you're giving me 2027 and we're talking about other things, then maybe we're having a conversation here.
15:28But I just can't see a lot of teams wanting to give up anything in 2027 in the first couple
15:32of rounds to move up to 6 in 2026.
15:34Not in this draft.
15:35I would be stunned.
15:36So you might be stuck, quote-unquote, in taking the best player that you could find at wide receiver at
15:41number 6 and still doing it the classic way, even though there was a big trade that happened over the
15:46weekend.
15:47That's what I'm trying to think of.
15:48Yeah, I think about that coming on the air on Friday, if Tate went at 5 and the Browns just
15:54stayed there at 6 and ended up taking, say it was, Caleb Downs or something like that, I will sit
16:02there and go, man, he's a good football player, but was this taken out of the Browns' hands?
16:08Did they not control any of their destiny here?
16:10And they were forced to take a good player.
16:12Again, Caleb Downs is a good player, but considering the needs and considering all the conversation that we had, I'm
16:19not going to be down and out, but I will wonder if the Browns were a little surprised at that
16:25type of a situation.
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