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00:00Albert Breer joins us on the Make It Right, Call Kyle Wright hotline.
00:04Albert, welcome to the show, buddy.
00:07How are you guys doing?
00:08Very, very well.
00:09Now, I know you're in line.
00:10You're getting some coffee here.
00:12As a coffee hound, I have to ask you, what did you order?
00:16Just a medium coffee with half and half and two Splenda.
00:21And this is like, I'm watching somebody, two cars in front of me,
00:25like hand drinks back through the window.
00:27It's the most frustrating thing in the world.
00:30This person has been in the front of the drive-thru for, like, seriously,
00:35like four minutes.
00:37It's like they're doing their taxes or something up there.
00:39It's ridiculous.
00:40So she's holding the, oh, geez.
00:43I don't know what's going on up there.
00:45I have a limit.
00:48There's nothing that frustrates me more than somebody wasting my time.
00:53And it's like this person who is sitting in the drive-thru
00:57that is, like, just has all day to negotiate everything.
01:03Like, I couldn't tell you what's in my drink until I'm two miles down the road.
01:06I'm out of these things so fast.
01:08No, this is the right way.
01:09This person is like, huh?
01:11This is the right way.
01:12When we go through with the Wilson girls, if everybody wants a drink,
01:15I make sure we go inside because I cannot stand waiting to take people's orders
01:21and then relay them and then have it read back.
01:25It's the most frustrating thing in the world.
01:27I'd rather just go up to the counter and not waste everybody's time.
01:30Yeah, and I honestly think, like, it's, you know what sucks, though,
01:34when you go to the counter is that, like, you find out how big a priority
01:40the drive-thru is.
01:41So they're actually catering to the lazier people who won't get out of the car.
01:45And it used to get me angrier until I had kids and realized that there are
01:49people in the drive-thru that aren't there just to be lazy.
01:51You know what I mean?
01:52Like, when you've got, like, three kids in the car,
01:54I've got a ton of sympathy for you, and you should go to the drive-thru.
01:59It's when it's, like, someone by themselves that is a problem.
02:04And, you know, then sometimes you've got the person who's, like,
02:06picking change out of the cup holder so they can give them exact change.
02:10Yeah, I've got a million problems with these people.
02:13So I'm supposed to ask you about the draft now,
02:15but now I want to ask you about pay-it-forward lines
02:17because Nick was in a predicament a couple weeks ago.
02:18He felt bad about it.
02:19He didn't pay it forward but then decided later on to actually pay it forward.
02:23I feel like pay-it-forward lines are kind of a nuisance.
02:27Yeah, I mean, I guess, like,
02:29you kind of have that responsibility handed to you, right?
02:32Yeah, you didn't ask for it.
02:33Where you, like, have to, like, if you don't do it,
02:37then you're a bad person, right?
02:38So I know what you're saying.
02:40And that definitely, that definitely, I don't know.
02:43I mean, like, somebody's got to break that chain at some point, right?
02:47Like, at some point, someone every time breaks that chain.
02:51So it's hard to, you don't want to be that person, right?
02:54But then what if somebody fixed you with, like, a $30?
02:57What if it's like, I don't know.
02:59What if somebody fixed you with, like, a $30 bill or something?
03:04I don't know.
03:04Then you just got to be the bad person.
03:06And nobody wants to be the bad person.
03:07Or you can just pay it.
03:08It's only $30.
03:09I paid $6 for a coffee.
03:11I'm not paying $30 for everyone else's.
03:13That's just not happening now.
03:15Like, that's, like, a principal thing, right?
03:16Like, if somebody pays it forward on you, and then you order $30 worth of stuff,
03:21just pay for yourself.
03:22And then end the line.
03:23You know what I mean?
03:24But if you got stuck with that, I could see where you'd be like, yeah,
03:28I mean, like, it's just, I mean, I don't know.
03:31Just pay for your own stuff, right?
03:32Exactly.
03:33All right, Albert.
03:34Browns seem to somehow not only match what they did last year,
03:38it seems like they're getting better reviews than what happened last year.
03:40How did you see it for the Browns draft?
03:44I mean, I liked it.
03:46I got full of picks in the mocks.
03:47That was good.
03:50I think, like, the way I look at it, like,
03:53I try to look at these things at a point, you know,
03:56and, like, what are teams getting?
03:57And so, you know, look, like, they went into the draft, I think,
04:02with the feeling that they wanted to take care of tackle and receiver.
04:07And, like, I do think, you know,
04:09most teams would tell you that the opportunity at the bottom of the first
04:13round would be better at receiver than a tackle because the tackles were
04:16going to run out.
04:18And so, you know, like, they decided they're going to take care of the tackle
04:23thing first.
04:24Spencer Fano was obviously their top-rated tackle.
04:27They were prepared to take him at six.
04:30They had good intelligence, and I wrote about this on Monday.
04:35But the two teams behind them probably weren't going to take tackles.
04:38The commanders have Laramie Tunsil, who they just extended at one tackle,
04:43and Josh Connerly, who was their first-round pick last year,
04:45at the other tackle.
04:46And the Saints just spent back-to-back first-round picks on tackles
04:53in Telly's, Fulaga, and Kelvin Banks.
04:57So there was some risk in moving back those three spots,
05:00but that risk was really kind of tied to somebody jump up in front of us.
05:05That doesn't happen.
05:06They wind up getting fed up the three and the five on top of that.
05:11They're able to maneuver those picks around where they still wind up
05:15with the top 100 pick, but now they have two fours next year.
05:18So all that was good.
05:20And they wind up with Casey Concepcion.
05:24You know, I think who was at the bottom of maybe the 1B tier of receivers,
05:30the 1A tier was Tate and Tyson.
05:32The 1B tier, I think, was Cooper, Tyson, or Cooper, Lemon, and Concepcion.
05:39They wind up getting Concepcion as the fourth receiver, 24th overall.
05:44So, you know, I think all in all, like, just from a guy's perspective,
05:48worked out for them.
05:50Again, they get the most versatile lineman in the draft,
05:53the most pro-ready lineman in the draft.
05:55And then I think you get the receiver in the draft,
05:57who most people would tell you was the best receiver after the catch.
06:01So, you know, I think all the way around, you wind up with a good group.
06:05And then, you know, I think you get a value in Denzel Boston
06:08in the middle of the second round as a guy who, you know,
06:11I think some people had going at the bottom of the first.
06:14Albert, I think the Browns were let off the hook a little bit
06:17with Carnell Tate going four.
06:20If Carnell Tate had been there at six,
06:22would it still have been Fano slash trade down?
06:25Or do you think they might have actually gone wide receiver first there?
06:29I mean, I think so.
06:30Like, I would say if I had to, like, kind of, like, dream up,
06:35like, scenarios in my head, I mean, Mendoza obviously, right?
06:41Like, but then Mendoza was never getting to them.
06:43So maybe I think, like, Reese and Love were probably the two players
06:47where you would look at it and say, yeah, if that guy fell to them,
06:52they'd probably go ahead and do that.
06:58But I don't think that – well, I'm Bailey, of course, you know.
07:03But I don't think, like – I'm not sure they would have taken Tate
07:09over Fano at six.
07:11I think – like, and this is just me kind of putting pieces together.
07:14My guess would be, like, Fano is probably the fourth best player
07:18on their board, taking the quarterbacks out of it,
07:21like outside of Bailey, Reese, and Love.
07:25It's obviously early, Albert.
07:26And even then, like, I don't know if they would have taken Love
07:28because they spent the two picks on running back last year.
07:31You know what I mean?
07:31So maybe they wouldn't have considered Love at six.
07:35I don't know.
07:36I mean, he's just such a good player, you can't rule it out.
07:39Has the perception around Andrew Barry, has it changed at all?
07:42Have you seen it where – because I've just noticed in commentary
07:44for, like, national media guys, Andrew Barry gets brought up,
07:47and it's like, Andrew Barry, that guy, he knows how to draft.
07:49In, like, two seasons, I feel like he's kind of changed his narrative
07:53and has really made it an identifier of what he does at a high level.
07:56Have you noticed that at all, or is that not really hit quite yet?
08:00I mean, I think, like – honestly, I think now that you guys have had him,
08:05this is his seventh draft, I think, which is wild, makes me feel old.
08:09But, you know, I think what you learn looking at, like, his draft history,
08:13and I don't think he's the top of the league at it,
08:16but I think everyone has their eps and flows when it comes to this stuff,
08:20and they're good years and they're bad years.
08:22And, you know, last year I think, you know, they were able to execute the trade,
08:27which I think you guys have agreed that they really needed volume of young people.
08:31It wasn't just one guy that was going to put anything over the top of the place.
08:35It was – we need, like – we need to just build up the base
08:39and the foundation of our team.
08:42And so they were able to do that in getting it right on, you know,
08:47Carson Swessinger and Mason Graham and Quinshawn Judkins and Hilton.
08:52And, like, I think regardless of, you know, how you measure that
08:58against the rest of the league, that was a really good draft.
09:01And, you know, now you hope that Fano and Concepcion and Boston can add to that.
09:08And, like, if you come out of this with, like, you know, eight good starters,
09:12I mean, now you're in a completely different circumstance than you were,
09:16you know, a couple of years ago.
09:18So, you know, I think the manipulation of the board was really good the last two years
09:23between what they did with the Travis Hunter pick
09:25and now what they've done with the Fano pick.
09:27And I think it puts them in a position now where, all right, like,
09:32you can start to put together something that could look really good
09:35around a young quarterback if that young quarterback arrives in 2027.
09:40Albert, we did find out the Steelers put an unrestricted free agent tender
09:45on quarterback Aaron Rodgers, which comes with some different restrictions
09:50and maybe a little raise there for Aaron Rodgers if he does sign in Pittsburgh.
09:54Why do you think this came about, this little used rule,
09:57that they applied this free agent tender to him?
10:01It's interesting. It protects them a little bit.
10:03I can't imagine they would have done it without alerting Aaron to it.
10:06But that would be a problem if they didn't.
10:09You know, it does, again, like, this kind of, like, gives them their rights, right?
10:14Like, so, I mean, number one, it gives them matching rights.
10:19Now, I can't imagine, like, if he really wanted to sign somewhere else
10:23that they would be like, no, we're going to match.
10:26Like, you're playing here next year because he would just retire, you know?
10:29So, if he does that, this does give them, you know, a piece of the contact formula,
10:34which gives them a return for him.
10:37And then if you get past July, then they've got to sign and trade him
10:43for him to play for another team.
10:44And so, either way, it puts them in a position to get something back
10:49if Aaron plays somewhere else in 2026.
10:52So, I don't know if there's a whole lot more to it than that.
10:55Like, you just sort of protect yourself in case he plays somewhere else next year.
11:00Albert, I saw you wrote about the Brendan Sorsby stuff,
11:02and Nick and I are very fascinated by it.
11:04And I thought you had a good point in there about the idea that, like,
11:06we haven't even had a supplemental draft in the last two years
11:08because they haven't had guys to even fill it.
11:10But, like, this would be exactly what it was meant for.
11:14Do you feel like it's a possibility that he actually does enter the supplemental draft?
11:18What we think is going to happen?
11:20Go ahead.
11:21It's a really interesting case.
11:22Now, I'm not a college reporter, but what I had heard was that Texas Tech
11:27was going to give him $6 million, and then $1 million of that
11:30was going to go back to the University of Cincinnati for some sort of buyout, right?
11:34Yeah.
11:34So, like, he's going to wind up – I think the payout for him in NIL
11:39was going to wind up being around $5 million this year,
11:42which is really good money, you know?
11:44And, like, really, like, more than he would make in the pros
11:48as, you know, a low first or a high second round pick.
11:52So, the question, like, now becomes, like, what he's prioritizing, right?
11:59And so, does he really want that $5 million?
12:03And if he really wants it, is he willing to go to court for it?
12:07And is he willing to seek an injunction for it?
12:10Essentially, if he seeks an injunction for it, that would allow him to play
12:15while the case is still on the court.
12:17He could file a lawsuit, get the injunction.
12:19If he gets the injunction, then he could play while the case is in the court.
12:24They could just drag the thing through the court system for the season
12:27and then drop the case after the year, right?
12:29They could do that.
12:32The problem is I don't know that he would get the injunction
12:35because you have to prove that, like, you have a reasonable chance.
12:39I think in most cards, of course, you have to prove
12:41that you have a reasonable chance of winning.
12:44And, like, he violated a pretty clear rule, you know?
12:48So, like, I think legally you'd have to be challenging, like, the structure
12:52or the way the rule went in place or whatever else.
12:55It just seems really complicated to me.
12:58The benefit of going through now would be you might wind up in a better team, right?
13:05Even if you're suspended for part of the year,
13:07if the NFL decides to let me a suspension on you,
13:10well, then, like, you're going to get the year to learn under NFL coaching
13:16and you're going to be a year closer to being eligible for your second contract.
13:20So, like, let's say he winds up being a really good NFL quarterback, right?
13:25And let's say somebody takes him – let's say the two outcomes are either
13:28the Browns, the Jets, the Dolphins, the Cardinals.
13:31Someone sends a second-round supplemental pick on him this year, right?
13:37Or he falls out next year and plays really well and goes –
13:41and then he's a high first-rounder next year.
13:43Well, if he's a second-round supplemental pick this year,
13:49then we're talking about him being eligible for a contract in 2029.
13:54Whereas if he plays and becomes a first-round pick next year,
13:59which is the best outcome from next year,
14:01now we're talking about him being under contract with his new team through 2032
14:06if they exercise the option.
14:10So, like, if you have a lot of confidence in yourself,
14:14you're like, well, I – I mean, I get to do the really big money a lot faster
14:17if I do it this way.
14:18So, it'll be interesting to see the way it turns out,
14:21but I know there are a lot of NFL people that are really excited about him
14:25as a player.
14:26He's got really high-end tools.
14:28Now, he didn't play big in their biggest games,
14:30and that's a real question.
14:32But, I mean, like, take, for example, the Steelers, right?
14:36If you're the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers comes back,
14:39we should have word on that by the time you get to the supplemental draft,
14:42and you think, like, okay, like, we're going to be picking in the 20s next year,
14:47would you just flip your first-round pick for Brendan Sorsby
14:52knowing, like, we're not going to be high enough
14:54to get one of those really high-end guys next year, you know?
14:57Maybe you would.
14:59So, it's a really, really interesting situation.
15:01And I don't even know if the NFL would let him in,
15:04but I would think based on some of the prior cases
15:07where guys were ruled ineligible for taking money or, I mean,
15:11you guys remember the Terrell Pryor thing, you know,
15:13like, obviously a lot of cases, guys are academically ineligible.
15:17Like you said, this would seem to be the sort of, I mean,
15:19Josh Gordon, I believe, was, like, was a drug case, right?
15:23Like, he was going to be ineligible because of drugs.
15:25So, you just, like, sort of look at the broader view of all this.
15:30It's really interesting.
15:31I think, you know, you could have an opportunity for him to go into the NFL next year.
15:35Albert, one before you go, the Browns did take Arkansas quarterback Talon Green
15:39with the first pick of the sixth round.
15:42What have you heard about him and kind of his fit here in Cleveland?
15:46And, obviously, what have you heard about him through the draft process?
15:50He is an unbelievable, unbelievable athlete.
15:56Like, I mean, 6'6", whatever it is, 230, one's like 4'3",
16:03and has a hose for an arm.
16:05The problem is, if you ask him to throw it to you from across the living room,
16:11he might put it through a window.
16:14So, like, I think, like, there's, like, the question of is the accuracy issue
16:21some sort of mechanics issue that's correctable, or is it just one of those things?
16:27And so, like, to me, like, that's worth a fire, right?
16:30Like, you bring him in, you find that out.
16:31He might be athletic if you're not playing in another position, too,
16:34which is crazy because you don't see it that often in that position.
16:37But, you know, I certainly think, like, there's an opportunity to develop something there.
16:44And, athletically, he is such a great athlete that, like,
16:49I can definitely see the idea of taking a day-three flyer on a guy
16:53and just saying, let's get him in the building and see what we can do with him.
16:57Albert, great stuff, buddy.
16:58Enjoy the coffee.
16:59We'll talk to you next week.
17:01Thanks, guys.
17:02I got it right here, piping hot.
17:04I only got delayed by about five or six minutes,
17:06which is more than I'm usually willing to deal with.
17:08But I was talking to you, so it's all right.
17:11I think we helped you because now it's cool enough to drink.
17:13Be good, bud.
17:15Thanks, guys.
17:15Albert Breer of the MMQB on the Make It Right Call, Kyle Wright Hotline.
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