00:00And welcome on Jeff D. Lowe of Barstool. He's also the host of Project Big Screen and the Dozen Trivia.
00:06Jeff, welcome to the show.
00:08Guys, we can start the Andrew Barry praise right now if you want.
00:11Are you all the way back in on the Browns and Andrew Barry after the latest draft?
00:16Well, I'd become a pretty firm Barry defender after the last draft because I was like, well, hold on a
00:22second here.
00:22I know it's only one, but like this guy was uncovering gem after gem.
00:27And it's very clear to me, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
00:32It feels like there's a very clear, no more Jonah Hill money ball in the room while they're drafting.
00:38Something feels very different with the way they're drafting and the things that they're picking and how they're picking and
00:44why they're picking.
00:44It feels like the Denzel Boston pick would have never happened two or three years ago.
00:49It just feels there's something.
00:51I don't know if it's either Barry figured out how to draft or he has more of the say now.
00:55He's given more control, but everything that happened in Pittsburgh, which that's crazy just to say that, worked out great
01:01for them.
01:02I mean, I'm still blown away how great that draft was.
01:04Now, they got to perform, but like I would have taken either Concepcion or Boston.
01:09You got both.
01:10Got EMW in the second round.
01:12That's the guy I was like, ah, they're not going to get him.
01:13I'm not going to trade up and get him.
01:14Like, I would have taken him or Boston with the first pick, second round.
01:16You get both.
01:17I like Finnell.
01:18I'm still baffled that they made all those picks.
01:22It was like, if you were to show me that mock draft that looked like that draft, I would have
01:28said, okay, all right, put the crazy pills down.
01:31You're getting a little too crazy.
01:32Give me at least two of those guys and I'll be happy.
01:34So, look, I don't know how old William I can be.
01:37I've got some quarterback problems.
01:39I saw our good friend Coach Gruden a couple weeks ago in the Barsofs after the draft, and I'm like,
01:43what are you thinking?
01:44Well, you still got that quarterback room.
01:45So, we'll see about that, but, I mean, I can't be any happier than I am right now with the
01:50draft.
01:51Are you buying that Deshaun as the inside track, as Mary Kay reported?
01:59I don't know how much I want to say on this and then eat my words later.
02:03Basically say everything.
02:04If you told me that a guy who used to be a good quarterback kind of figured something out in
02:09camp, I believe it.
02:12I can buy into that.
02:14If he's going to be like a camp warrior and superstar and look good and drill, he was a great
02:20quarterback at one point.
02:21I can buy into that now.
02:23Can he do that in game action?
02:25You know, week one through 18?
02:27I don't know about that, but I can believe that.
02:30Putting aside, do I want him to start or not?
02:33That makes sense to me.
02:34All right, Jeff.
02:35Jeff, you mentioned the quarterback stuff here.
02:38What level of quarterback play do they need in 2026 to be at or around or above 500?
02:47If you have the defense play well, holes they may refill for losing some guy, losing Bush, whatever.
02:55If the defense is what the defense was, I think the young guys, I think if Judkins comes back healthy,
03:02I think these receivers work out.
03:03So I think you need like essentially what you got a couple years ago when they made the playoffs.
03:09You need a guy who can go out there, get maybe two touchdowns a game, maybe like two touchdown drives,
03:16maybe three, like, you know, kick a couple field goals.
03:19You need like mediocre play, and I think they can be 500.
03:22I mean, they almost won seven games.
03:24Like they won five games and they lost to two winless teams.
03:27Like, I'm not saying they're going to be good, but like the defense, if it's good enough, if some of
03:32these offensive weapons pan out, like if they have mediocre quarterback play, I think they're going to come kind of
03:37close to 500 because they're going to have an easy enough schedule.
03:39That's obviously the key thing, too.
03:40They had a hard schedule.
03:41I'd probably not say that.
03:42But it's going to be a top five easiest schedule, which, you know, can then change year to year.
03:46You never know.
03:47But like if they have decent quarterback play, even like mediocre, like just below average, like I kind of think
03:52they're going to win a little bit, which would be kind of crazy.
03:54But that shows you how close I think they could be.
03:56They could make a pretty big leap this year, but it's like, it's not like they're doing it with like
04:00a Drake May quarterback.
04:01It's like, hey, if the Patriots make a leap, they could be great.
04:03They got a quarterback already.
04:04That's the Browns problem.
04:06It's unfortunately the only problem.
04:08It's like the main problem.
04:10Andrew Barry and the Browns in this draft were highlighted on.
04:15I completely forgot the name of the show.
04:17Was the name of the show?
04:19ESPN.
04:19I don't remember it either.
04:20But this inside the war room or something or inside the draft room.
04:23The pick is in.
04:23The pick is in.
04:24Sure.
04:24And so obviously they traded, they being the Browns, traded from six to nine.
04:29When they were on nine, actually did get a call from the Dallas Cowboys in this courtesy of ESPN.
04:36They're on the clock.
04:37They're on the clock.
04:38I offered their nine and 24 for 12 and 20.
04:40I'll tell you what else would you want.
04:42Is this Andrew?
04:43Yeah.
04:44Hey, this is Steven.
04:45Are y'all going to pick away here?
04:46We are.
04:47We wouldn't do the swap, but for sure.
04:49Okay.
04:49If we threw in a five, would that change it?
04:52No, that wouldn't really be good for us.
04:54Didn't move the knee.
04:55Okay.
04:56I keep hearing Cleveland wants an offensive lineman, and they're worried New York's going to take it.
05:00They don't want to get behind the Giants.
05:02All right.
05:02Hey, Ayers.
05:03This is your orange dot, buddy.
05:05Turn it off.
05:05I don't know why everybody kept the Ayers thing in.
05:07We've already heard that.
05:08I'm not that I'm mad about it.
05:10It just seemed unnecessary.
05:12Unnecessary.
05:15Obviously, teams allow whatever is out there out there.
05:18Yeah.
05:19The amount of flowers Andrew Barry is getting for turning down this trade down with Dallas
05:23of like, see, this is exactly what they wanted.
05:26They wanted Fano, and they committed to him.
05:28It's like, it's a pick swap and a fifth round pick.
05:31Nobody should take that trade.
05:33A couple things off that.
05:33One, yeah, awful trade consideration by Dallas.
05:36So, I'll tell that spineless jellyfish, Daryl Ryder, he was obviously wrong in being like,
05:40trade with Dallas.
05:41They'll give you a first round pick in 2027.
05:44No, they won't.
05:45They'll just swap out your current first round stuff and then give you a fifth round pick.
05:49That's not winning any sort of deal.
05:51And then the other part of this, I think this is maybe where me and you get to go ahead
05:54and say, thank you for listening.
05:56They had Andrew Barry really expressing the idea that he wanted Fano, Malinoa, or Tyson.
06:02And so the idea that he really did like Tyson.
06:04Now, we'll never know if he was going to take Tyson at nine and Tyson got nabbed at eight
06:09and it just was too much.
06:10But what we did learn in this little exchange and what we found out is that he wanted one
06:14of those three players.
06:15That was it.
06:15And so, like, that's a big win for the Tyson community.
06:19And dare I say, he kind of reacted when Tyson was off the board.
06:24You could tell it was like a dam.
06:26I thought we were going to have our choice of Tyson and Fano, which I think, kind of like
06:34the Carnell Tate thing, I'm kind of just glad that Tyson didn't go, sorry, that Tyson did
06:39go before you, rather than if he had fallen to nine and you still took Spencer Fano.
06:44Yeah, because we'll never live with that.
06:45And everyone's saying this whole thing about, you know, Fano.
06:48And it's like, guys, you saw everything with Tyson.
06:50He laid out how he liked Tyson.
06:52This was part of the math.
06:53Now, it also proves basically just how right he was.
06:57If you love those three players, well, then if one of them goes to pick number eight and
07:02then Malonella and obviously Fano went nine, like, you had a run of three or four offensive
07:06linemen taken before the Cowboys there.
07:08Like, he played the board correct.
07:10He did.
07:11I'm also just happy that he didn't like the pick swap.
07:15The pick swap never really, like, if it took you out of getting one of the five, six, or
07:20seven, six, seven guys in this draft, but moved you marginally closer to getting Lomu
07:27or Concepcion or, honestly, you would have taken Makai Lemon.
07:31You could have.
07:31And by the way, you could also then have just traded down a 20, 20, or sorry, pick 23, which
07:36you could have picked up a couple of fourths on that.
07:39But, no, I mean, I think he, I'm glad that he showed the disdain for that pick swap that
07:44I did, that every time it was mentioned, I was like, I don't know why the Browns would
07:49do that.
07:49I don't really see the value in moving down.
07:51At that point, it would have been six picks to then move up four picks at, you know, from
07:5724 to, like, that just never, the math never mathed for me on that front.
08:01Right.
08:01The only way they could have done this and pulled it off is doing exactly what they did.
08:05And again, we're still left with the idea of, did they actually want Tyson instead?
08:09That'll still exist.
08:10It'll exist for a while, but at least we know that they got one of the guys that they really
08:13wanted.
08:13And you get the possible deniability of, well, we thought he was going to be there at
08:18nine and then we traded down and he wasn't there.
08:20So we just took the next best guy.
08:22It's different than if, if, if Tyson's actually there, that's where I kind of hammer them
08:26though, is the idea of like, if you, if you really wanted your guy and obviously they
08:30couldn't, they couldn't make up their mind.
08:31They couldn't tell whatever it was, but if you really wanted Tyson, then making that
08:35trade with Kansas city ends up to be a dumb thing to do.
08:38I just thought it was for a third round pick or whatever that extra, I think it was a third
08:43rounder, right?
08:43For a third rounder, you prefer, even if it's by a slight advantage, you get the guy that
08:47you want.
08:47I think it's been really interesting.
08:50In their six years together, Kevin got so much more of the credit for the Brown success
08:56nationally than Andrew did.
08:58And this last year, he has gotten a fair amount of credit for last year's draft, but
09:02even when Kevin was in danger and it was so much and rightfully so there's so much talk
09:07of how can you move on from Kevin Stefanski when Andrew Barry seen as a guy that made this
09:14trade for Deshaun Watson and at the worst trade in NFL history.
09:17I think it's interesting that that conversation about Andrew Barry lasted about four, four months.
09:24And now this draft has completely taken it.
09:26Now everybody on the national front's like Andrew Barry is the truth.
09:30And it's all this, this draft.
09:32Well, in fairness, it's last year's draft.
09:33It's both drafts together.
09:34But it's wild how quickly the narrative, even, even people just want to shift it to
09:39deep.
09:39Yeah.
09:39He's got an identifier though.
09:41This is it.
09:41It's like really hard as a GM to have something that everyone across the league thinks you're
09:45just universally good to great at.
09:47He's got that.
09:47Now people think that he can draft to the point where, when we talk about next year's draft
09:51draft, at one point it would be like, oh, I don't want, I don't want Andrew Barry making
09:55those selections.
09:55Now we're like, hell, keep him around and make the selections and then fire him if you
09:58have to afterwards.
09:59But like, you want him making those picks?
10:01So the only thing I would say is this year he's, he finally drafted the thing that we
10:07thought he couldn't draft, which is wide receivers and offensive linemen.
10:11They do have to go play well.
10:12Right.
10:13Because the number one thing he's gotten wrong so much more than anything else was just the
10:17entirety of the quarterback position.
10:21So that like, all right, Casey, David, one, or David, um, Denzel, one of you better show
10:27up Spencer.
10:29I'm going to really need you to be a left tackle this year because I, well, and you need the
10:33continuation from last year's guys too, you know, like they're at for as good as, and
10:37as much as we like Judkins and unfair of a shake as he had on it, we just kind of
10:41all
10:41gave him a little bit of old Peter Lynn pass there.
10:43Like you, you have to come up and really like Peter Lynn pass.
10:47Bannon has to continue.
10:48Mason Graham has to take another level to this.
10:50Schwestinger has to build on what he did last year.
10:52It's not set in stuff.
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