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00:00Let's go to the Make It Right Call Kyle Wright hotline and we welcome in Clark Kellogg
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00:42the
00:42Make It Right Call Kyle Wright hotline. Clark good morning to you. Good morning gentlemen how are you?
00:48We're doing very very well. Tone I know you want to ask him about Ohio State. I know you want
00:52to
00:52ask him about Cincinnati and Jared Calhoun. You go right on ahead buddy. We will get to that because
00:57I did hear Jared Calhoun the new coach of Cincinnati who is a friend of mine and is from
01:02Northeast Ohio. He did say that Ohio State uh the Cincinnati is the top basketball job in the state
01:09of Ohio. Clark that makes me really angry but is he accurate? I don't think so but it is a
01:18good job
01:18been a great opportunity for Jared a fellow um St. Joe Viking alum so thrilled for him to have an
01:25opportunity to get back to Ohio and he's obviously proven to be an outstanding um young coach so um
01:31excited to see him get that opportunity always sorry to see any coach um be let go um Wes Miller
01:39had done a great job at UNC Greensboro before he got the Cincinnati job had a team this year that
01:44I
01:44thought was going to be tournament worthy they kind of stumbled out of the gate and then made a mad
01:50dash towards putting themselves in the conversation late in the season but by then it just wasn't
01:56enough to be part of the field of 68 um but Jared obviously has been terrific in every place he's
02:04been
02:04he's won and now he's got an opportunity to to get a pretty you know that's a pretty healthy
02:09basketball community there in Cincinnati um when when Bob Huggins was there they were rolling
02:14and um I'm assuming that he'll be able to move forward and get them back um competing um for
02:22conference championships and being uh being tournament worthy here not too long. Clark Kellogg
02:27joining us here on the make it right call call right hotline have you ever been in a situation where
02:32you didn't have five guys on the floor at the end of a basketball game didn't realize it?
02:37No no no I can't recall that that was a major failure to communicate and an unfortunate um mishap
02:47um last night for for Nebraska um yeah that that has not been part of my personal basketball
02:55experience that I can recall now it's been a long time since I've been between the lines but
02:59I don't recall ever having that that happen but think crazy things happen in March both good
03:05and puzzling and that's part of what makes it such a compelling three weeks. Well Clark it's
03:10interesting because that happened if folks don't know or if it was too late Iowa they ended up beating
03:15Nebraska last night and at the final timeout uh the Cornhuskers came out they had four players on the
03:20floor Iowa was able to get themselves a pretty easy layup out of that and uh obviously a lot of
03:26people are going after Fred Hoiberg. I go back to the Ohio State Notre Dame game I'm a football guy
03:31Clark so I look at it and I go well when when Marcus Freeman was talking about 10 guys being
03:36on
03:36the field it's like Marcus Freeman isn't in charge on that now he's the head coach so he answers to
03:41it but he covered up for somebody on his staff that might have messed that up is the head coach
03:46in
03:46charge is saying who what five are out there at that level or is it more of a mix with
03:50the assistants
03:51there how does that work? Yeah I think it varies I mean I think it varies with each
03:56each individual team as far as what role the head coach and the assistant coaches have at timeout so
04:03I don't know where you would land that it clearly was a mess up by the whole team who was
04:09actually
04:09ultimately responsible for that uh I don't know if we'll ever know and it's not that important to
04:16know it happened it was a mistake we still have human beings that are operating on the sidelines and
04:22playing in the games and officiating the game so mistakes happen they're unfortunate when they do
04:26and some are more costly than others I mean Iowa was up by three at that time if I recall
04:32correctly
04:33and they had come back from a small deficit in the second half Nebraska had gone cold they had shot
04:40it
04:41so well both teams in the first half and then Nebraska hit a stretch where it didn't convert shots
04:46and Iowa's defense picked up too so again we tend to focus on the last play or two and they
04:52are
04:52significant at times and they could be game changes but there's also another segment of a bunch of plays
04:58that contribute to to the outcome as well uh Clark Kellogg join us right now on the hotline so how
05:05about
05:05the big 10 yesterday three teams advancing Purdue with that big win over Texas you just talked about
05:11Iowa and Illinois getting past Houston and now today you have a chance to also get Michigan their
05:17heavy favorites over Alabama and then Michigan State in that big matchup against UConn has that
05:23been the story so far of the tournament the big 10 well certainly one of them I mean it was
05:30you'd be
05:31hard not to put that on the marquee um in terms of stories but that's another part of this thing
05:36that's
05:36so special the three weeks you have stories unfolding some of them have happened and are no longer being
05:42talked about um I think we've had great first games on every day of the tournament starting with Ohio
05:50State and TCU a disappointing point and result for the Buckeyes but it was a terrific dramatic competitive
05:56college basketball game we had the Kentucky Santa Clara game which was a moment um Otega Owe with that
06:04half court heave after Santa Clara thought they had made a three to win the game um I can't recall
06:10our
06:10first games on Saturday Sunday but I know they were compelling I do remember they were close they were
06:14tight they were exciting um so yeah it's been good I mean you can find multiple stories but clearly
06:20when you think about it the big 10's representation we had six teams from the conference in the sweet 16
06:27um we've got an assurance of one at least one big 10 team in the final four because Illinois and
06:35Iowa
06:36play each other so one of them will land in Indianapolis and then you still got the opportunity
06:41for well Purdue is in the elite eight they face a real mountain of a challenge in Arizona I think
06:47Arizona and Michigan are the best teams in the field I've thought that since midway through the
06:51season actually I thought Arizona was the best team at one point in the season and um haven't moved
06:56off of that I've let Michigan co-share that title in the series neither one of those teams would be
07:01beat by any of these teams in the field if if it were a series it's not so a one
07:08game situation I could
07:09not see Iowa beating Florida Florida until I saw it and so that can happen too with Purdue or any
07:17of
07:17these other teams I mean so that's part of the beauty of this three-week one run to a championship
07:21guys
07:22uh Clark Kellogg with us so there seemed to be a little consternation early in the tournament that
07:29the Cinderella uh examples were not uh up and running so does that matter to you obviously there's been
07:37great basketball the skill has been incredible the coaching has been good but do you feel like to
07:42some extent fans are gypped if they don't get that the shoe still fits moment man I've started I've
07:50been doing this thing since 97 at CBS either in the studio as an analyst or a segment of years
07:56we're
07:56actually called the final four and I've learned that you accept what March Madness gives you because
08:02it always delivers and it's always special I love when Cinderella's happen whether it's a win in the
08:09first um in the round of 64 or sweet 16 run or occasionally a final four run I'm just as
08:17happy when we have
08:18four number one seeds in the final four so for me it's about the ride and the journey and the
08:23stories
08:24and the excitement that is uniquely March Madness and so I don't bemoan the fact that we don't have
08:32what people we do have one if you really think I mean we've got a nine seed that's playing for
08:36a chance
08:37to go to the final four I don't know how many people had that in their bracket um but Cinderella
08:43if
08:43you're thinking mid-majors we had a great story with Miami Ohio we had a great story with High Point
08:49and I think we're going to continue to have them how often and to what degree um remains to be
08:55seen
08:55but I'm not ready to jump on the wagon that because of NIL because of the transfer portal that we're
09:02not
09:02going to have some of those unique mid-major runs anymore let's see how it plays out in time
09:08and um enjoy the ride as you get a chance to experience it and that's that's where I am that's
09:15where I am on it so the fans are treated all the time by this event Clark Kellogg joining us
09:20on the
09:20show I agree with you uh I mean it's been a long time since I've seen St. Johns be this
09:25competitive
09:26uh anywhere near this competitive so I I don't know because I I think there's like you run into this
09:33Clark I mean if I can ask how old are you I'll be 65 I'm medicare age here in a
09:39few months fellas
09:40so there's a lot of guys from your age down to where Lima's age is my age who well the
09:47NIL kills
09:47I'm like I just think what are those numbers you guys have you guys have my number give me your
09:52number
09:52I'm 39 I I get the prostate check this summer three generations removed from me but but it's
09:59the same it's the same argument for we get a lot of NILs ruining it or transfer portals ruining it
10:06and
10:06I go hey I'm actually kind of sensitive to the transfer portal because I think some guys get
10:10talked in some bad decisions uh but oh no question no question but when it comes to like Cinderella's I'm
10:16like I I think we just have to redefine the the the word Cinderella because St. John's being there
10:21I mean that's a hell of a story people seem to like Rick Pitino a whole lot and St. John's
10:26they're kind of fun to watch and taking on Duke everybody loves to hate Duke Clark
10:33I'm not in that camp but yeah you're right I think we do have to redefine and the point that
10:38was made earlier around the quality of the teams and play there's no denying that that is true there
10:45are more really good teams across college basketball in part because of the
10:51transfer portal in part because of NIL kids that are marginal NBA talent or pro talent are much
10:59more comfortable and willing to stay in school now teams are older and more experienced and that
11:05helps them be better so that raises the competence of the competitive landscape I'm not a big proponent
11:12of multiple anytime you want transfers I think at you know one time if a situation isn't working and
11:18then you have to have some consequences if you decide to transfer a second or third time that's
11:23just my personal opinion the NIL thing is unsustainable as it's operating now I think it'll
11:29find a level in due time you probably are going to need some congressional help to create an environment
11:36that's fair to the players and more sustainable going forward than what's going on now but change is
11:43always uncomfortable when it's disruptive but it doesn't necessarily mean it's awful there's some
11:48components that need to be modified and reeled in but the game between the lines is as good as
11:56it's ever been in terms of competitive balance and quality of play what you said sustainable and I agree
12:04about the skill level the quality of play some of the European influence as well that those players are now
12:11coming to college and staying in college because they're they're making money but you said
12:16unsustainable I mean Jared Calhoun is on record as saying uh they got to spend you know 10 plus
12:21million at Cincinnati if they want to make a deep run in the tournament well Ohio State did not spend
12:2510 million last year and I'm wondering if does that rub you the wrong way to have coaches openly talking
12:31about hey I need money I'm gonna I'm gonna put my hand out I need boosters and collectives to step
12:37forward or we're not going to be competitive I'd rather it wasn't the case but the reality is that's
12:44where we are and until we actually have a little more transparency around what's going on I mean
12:50a lot of cases are where schools are chasing their tail because some other school implied that they're
12:57going to offer a kid x number of dollars and so you don't have any way to kind of establish
13:03what the
13:03market is other than what you think or assume other schools are paying and what you what you think is
13:10important for you to be able to retain your roster I don't know what the number is but I also
13:14know
13:15and this is in life and in basketball money can help make things better it doesn't solve every issue
13:23you have it doesn't guarantee that you're going to win may it competitiveness yes that's a reality of
13:31the landscape but you can't just simply buy championships you can't just simply pay for
13:38winning organizations you have to have other ingredients leadership character commitment
13:44sacrifice discipline so yes the money and it being talked about that openly is not pleasant it's a bit
13:53uncomfortable but there is a reality to it and so we have to deal with that and I'm I'm comfortable
13:59navigating it and trying to do it in a in a way with perspective and reason and again when you're
14:07going through disruption innovation whether it's brick and mortar businesses going away whether it's
14:14these computers we have in our hands whether it's AI and what it means it's not always comfortable but in
14:21many cases when navigated it improves it improves the situation the industry the company the team so
14:31you have to be able to handle both and it's not again growth is not always comfortable or pleasant but
14:39ultimately it can lead to good and that's not where I think we are I mean I don't like a
14:43lot of things
14:43about the landscape particularly the multiple transfers because you wonder how many of these kids are going
14:49to graduate that's the exchange when you actually give your athletic ability for a scholarship is to
14:57one play the game you love and have been gifted to play and then also to have an opportunity for
15:03an education which is a foundational pillar to helping you improve your life wait Clark sorry to
15:09interrupt we gotta go soon I'm sorry to interrupt we gotta go soon do you still care whether or not
15:13these student athletes are students and they go to class and graduate you still do I do I do because
15:18the
15:19vast majority obviously money can help you improve yourself but yeah I do I certainly care and I'm
15:24concerned about what the numbers are going to say as this thing plays out about the quality of life
15:29the education that kids have not gotten and what that means to their future sure money can always
15:35bridge a gap and sometimes it can set you up but there's some things in the college experience from
15:40an educational standpoint the people you meet even going through the process of getting a degree
15:45some of the disciplines and the sacrifice and the commitments you have to make those are useful
15:50skills for your life you don't always have to be a college graduate to have success I understand that
15:55but there's some other inherent components of the whole educational opportunity that make a difference
16:02I've got college teammates that did not play pro basketball and their lives were changed because
16:09basketball gave them an education an opportunity to meet people and go through the process
16:14of trying to get a degree degree and getting it and what that's meant not only for them
16:19but their kids and what it might mean for their kids kids that their granddad or grandma was a college
16:25graduate and experience what that offers so there's tremendous value in that I'm not one to dismiss the
16:33reality of how money can change your life and if athletic ability gives you a chance to do that that's
16:38great
16:38but what also about the opportunity to enhance your life beyond the game because the game doesn't last
16:45forever it's going to end for everybody even the ones who play pro basketball I know it happened to me
16:52at 26 after being drafted at 21 so no I'm very passionate about the exchange of athletic ability for education
17:00and opportunity to improve your life if money is part of that process and you get a big bag of
17:06it
17:07wonderful but the reality is the education is more assuring of you having a chance to improve your life
17:14than getting a bag of money at 19 or 20 years old that might not last very long Clark Kellogg
17:21he's on CBS he's wonderful Clark we thank you so much for the time obviously a Cleveland legend
17:26Clark thank you so much enjoy the rest of your day enjoy the rest of the tournament
17:30yep you guys do the same great to always be with you and appreciate it keep up the great work
17:35yes sir thank you Clark Kellogg on the make it right call Kyle Wright hotline outstanding
17:39finally somebody agrees with me you just guys all just oh you're just fat and old okay fine
17:47you could do it cursory that's fine
17:49you
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