00:00And boy, we got a lot of them after we asked about the Miles Garrett deal that happened yesterday.
00:06And they are all, I got some people chanting yes in the mentions.
00:13A dude called Parker, yes, yes, yes, this I would love.
00:16And he's going over a potential trade and all that other stuff.
00:20I've seen other people mad we're even talking about it.
00:24And I mean, blame the Browns.
00:25They're the ones that did this with no salary cap benefit to them at all.
00:29Like, what else, you realize 100% of people, normally I say outside of Cleveland, it's not even outside of
00:35Cleveland.
00:35100% of people are saying this makes it easier to trade them.
00:38So what other conclusion could we possibly draw?
00:43Don't be mad at us.
00:44Well, somebody goes, well, I don't blame you guys.
00:48The guy who's been listening to us for years goes, I don't blame you guys.
00:50I blame Mary Kay.
00:51Go, Mary Kay didn't restructure his contract.
00:52No, it's nothing to do with Mary Kay.
00:53She didn't do it.
00:54The Browns did.
00:55Mary Kay joins us at 820 this morning, though.
00:58So we'll talk to her about this as well.
01:00Owen?
01:02Ken?
01:03Oh, I thought you had a clip that you wanted to play.
01:06I apologize.
01:07That one we had talked about with Daryl.
01:08We can play that here.
01:09Whoops or daisers.
01:10Here you go.
01:11This is Daryl Ryder.
01:12He's our Browns beat reporter.
01:14He's brought to you by Scheiben Jewelers as well.
01:16And yesterday, he talked about Miles Garrett's restructured contract and what it means.
01:21What that does, though, is it gives the Browns some flexibility.
01:25We see them do this with players all the time.
01:28Like, for instance, Denzel Ward, right?
01:30They converted, you know, part of his contract into a bonus and then go and convert his salary
01:40in late August, early September into another bonus.
01:44And that opens up salary cap space.
01:45So what this does is this gives the Browns another runway, a longer runway, to do that with Miles.
01:52It's similar to with, like, the Sean's contract and how they just convert his salary into a bonus
01:59to lower his cap figure.
02:01That's really all this is, is he's getting the same amount of money.
02:06Just the structure of when he receives that money changes a little bit.
02:12But, again, instead of them having to do this a week after the new league year,
02:18now they can do it, like, a week before the season begins.
02:22That's Daryl Holt.
02:22Join us tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock.
02:24We'll talk to him about all this rigmarole.
02:26I want to get the Brandon in Jersey.
02:27He's listening on the free Odyssey app.
02:29Hello, Brandon.
02:31Hey, good morning, guys.
02:32Good morning.
02:32What do you want to do?
02:34So I want to start by saying I watch you guys every day.
02:37I appreciate, you know, all the talk.
02:38Oh, he's watching on YouTube live.
02:41I am.
02:41Thank you very much.
02:43It's free.
02:43It's free.
02:44It's absolutely free.
02:45We don't charge you.
02:45Yeah, absolutely.
02:46It's a no-brainer.
02:47I just want to say, I don't want the Browns to trade Myles Garrett.
02:53If they did, I would accept it.
02:57I just feel like the return that we would get for him wouldn't be worth making the trade.
03:02I'd rather just have Myles because I feel like a team that would add him is a team that
03:07just needs a piece to make a run for a Super Bowl.
03:10So I feel like it would be a high return first round.
03:13I also, doesn't he have a no-trade?
03:16So if it's a team that's in a similar situation, couldn't he just be like, no, I don't want
03:19to go there?
03:20Well, because you're only going to get, if you do it, gosh, it's just like we're dusting
03:24off a folder of what we talked about last year around this time, Brandon.
03:28Yeah, exactly.
03:28Because I'm telling you this, and thank you very much for the call.
03:31It's exactly the same conversation because bad teams that you're going to have another
03:35high, that you're almost guaranteed to have a high draft pick with, they're not trading
03:39a bunch of first round picks for Myles Garrett.
03:41They're in the same boat you are.
03:42They would be trading if they had Myles Garrett.
03:44They did.
03:44Look at the Jets.
03:45They had Quinn and Williams.
03:46They had Sauce Garner.
03:47They made those moves last year to try to prepare for their future.
03:52You are in a situation where you are trying to find a team that might be in the middle,
03:56might have been on the edge of the playoffs last year, and might be willing to deal and
04:00make a move and give up something significant, a desperate team.
04:05Everybody's going to think of the Cowboys.
04:06You mentioned the Cowboys.
04:08A crazy person running their football team.
04:11Yes, they are definitely a possibility.
04:13A team that desperately wants to win, they're one of them.
04:16That's what you're doing.
04:16And then you're going to hope, because this is the time to do it.
04:18It's not during the trade deadline during the season.
04:20This is the time to do it.
04:22Is that, okay, you hope that they've talked themselves into something, and they've walked
04:25themselves right into a trap that they can't get out of, and we're going to be the benefits
04:28of another top 10 pick.
04:29So then we can use that in the future.
04:32But anybody who's making the argument, it's exactly what Brandon's saying.
04:36I don't find the passion that I found last year over it.
04:40Oh, that's a good point.
04:41Miles isn't walking around during Radio Row right now, but I'm not finding the passion that
04:45what it was.
04:46I think it's just an acceptance like, yeah, you know what?
04:48This is what we are.
04:49Well, because I think it's, well, I can't speak for everybody, because I do people say,
04:54well, you sign the contract, whatever, you deserve whatever fate.
04:58But then the other half of that is, he went out and set the sack record.
05:02Like, he held up his end of the bargain, and the Browns are still bad.
05:05So I think a lot of people would say, hey, regardless of what plans they told Miles, and
05:11yes, he signed the contract.
05:12Like, at some point, it's up to the Browns to be good.
05:14And Miles has done everything he can to help the Browns.
05:17He went and played so magnificently that he set the sack record.
05:21He was so good that Aaron Rodgers decided to play a different game of football when he
05:26was lined up against him, just to avoid getting sacked.
05:29Like, that's the insane impact that Miles has, and yet the Browns are still bad.
05:33So at some point, it's on the Browns to be good.
05:35And if they can't hold up their end of the bargain, then if they trade him, they trade
05:39him.
05:39Like, if he's going to end up on a different team, well, you can't crush Miles for wanting
05:44that.
05:44Speaking of preparing for their future, did you think it was a big deal that Andrew
05:47Berry wasn't at Ohio State Pro Day yesterday?
05:50Well, I didn't because...
05:51They had Glenn Cook.
05:51They had Cat Hickman there.
05:53So I just assumed he was at another Pro Day, even though I would probably pick Ohio State's
05:57over anybody's.
05:58But, you know, Alabama has an offensive lineman that we talked about with their head coach
06:02yesterday.
06:03So I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there.
06:07All right.
06:08So I don't know...
06:09But did we find out where he was?
06:10He wasn't at Alabama's Pro Day.
06:11Because I was texting, I go, where's he at?
06:14Where in the world is Andrew Berry?
06:16Indiana's Pro Day?
06:17I don't know.
06:18They won the national championship last year.
06:19I'd cut him a break.
06:20I don't know.
06:20The people like...
06:21Maybe somebody on the internet knows.
06:22I don't know.
06:23So because I don't know exactly where he was at, and it wasn't like he was at another
06:26Pro Day, if I don't know where he was at, I don't want to speak ill because I
06:30don't know what he was doing.
06:31I don't think he was just sitting somewhere staring at a wall or anything like that.
06:37I will say we've been through this a million times.
06:40If your fan base, by and large, trusts you, you can go to any Pro Day you want or not
06:45go
06:45to any Pro Day you want.
06:46If your fan base doesn't trust you and they don't trust him, yeah, if you can, and I don't
06:53know what he had to do.
06:54So I'm not going to go crazy and say all these things.
06:57I have no idea what might have happened, why he wasn't there.
07:01But if your fan base don't trust you and you happen to be two hours down the road from
07:06one of the preeminent programs in all of college football, yeah, you should be there.
07:11I know that they had Carnell Tate in, so I'm not losing my mind.
07:14Well, and I don't...
07:14I think that if you're going to pick any Buckeye, I think he's the pick at number six, but there's
07:18so much more work you can do.
07:20There's other guys that you can take later.
07:21There's also guys in the future we could talk about.
07:24Go ahead.
07:24I just will never understand when these people, they talk about, oh, they bring their stopwatches
07:29and they think that's more valuable than actual GPS data or what they do at the combine.
07:36To me, that doesn't make sense.
07:37But there is value, obviously, to going to these and talking to people and doing whatever
07:43research and adding, we always talk about data points, but there is a psychology.
07:49There is, hey, talking to coaches in a different realm.
07:52Sure, you can call up a coach at any time.
07:54You can do a Zoom meeting.
07:55I'm telling you, there is a value to just seeing people in person and having conversations.
08:01And it is simple as this, and this is cheap.
08:02This is real cheap, but this is where it gets simple.
08:05With your fan base, I'll say this quick.
08:08If you were to just take Carnell Tate at number six, it's like, hey, you had him in for
08:11a top 30 visit, that's fine, you know, whatever.
08:14If you don't take Carnell Tate and the player you take ends up being a bust, they're going
08:18to rip you all day long.
08:20If you end up not taking an Ohio State player and one of the other Ohio State players end
08:25up being good that you could have taken six, they're going to rip you all day long.
08:27If you don't win enough games, they're going to rip you all day long.
08:29And they're going to use that as part of the reason.
08:31Because it's one thing to be called, you don't know what you're doing.
08:34It's another thing to be called the L word because you didn't go two hours away.
08:38I can't say that.
08:39I don't want to say that because I don't know what he had to do yesterday, and I'm
08:42not going to go ripping things that I don't have all the information on.
08:46But I heard some hemming and hawing yesterday on the radio about it.
08:49It's like, no, call it what it is.
08:50You know the fans are going to be upset about it.
08:51If they don't take an Ohio State Buckeye at six, and they weren't at the pro day, and
08:55those guys go out and play well, when you don't have trust with your fan base, they
08:59ain't going to be happy about this.
09:00No.
09:01There's certain things you got to do just to make appearances.
09:04And that's one of them.
09:06I asked a lot of Browns fans this yesterday.
09:09I just throw it out on social media.
09:12We'll get back to the Miles stuff coming up at 8 o'clock.
09:14Mary Kaye's going to join us at 820.
09:16If they take two in the first round, which, you know, Andrew Barry loves his tradebacks
09:20and things like that.
09:21But say you take a guy at six and 24.
09:23Let's stay where it is.
09:24Do they both have to be week one starters?
09:25All I did was ask.
09:26I was like, let's take the temperature of this.
09:28Because it's like, when we talked to Kalen DeBoer yesterday, he didn't do a very good
09:34job of selling the fan base, Ty Simpson.
09:36He was honest.
09:37I appreciate his honesty.
09:38But it was like, nope, we ain't turning in that card for him.
09:41It's at number six or number 24.
09:42We're not going to do it.
09:43But I kind of, I got to tell you guys, I know that his feet are a little, but when
09:49you give me six, seven, 350, and a guy who can squat 815, my man, maybe I would like
09:55him at 24, if we went Carnell Tate at six, and we were back at 24, and Caden Proctor
10:02was there, Alabama offensive lineman, I know you guys hate him.
10:07You hear about his feet.
10:08I know you guys hate that.
10:09Don't make me any more comfortable either.
10:11But six, seven, 350, can bench press cars.
10:14I mean, Lord Almighty, this is, it's hard for me to look past that.
10:17But I also know he might not be ready for week one.
10:20And I asked that, and it was like, no, you take two guys in the first round, they better
10:24be ready to go week one on this football team.
10:25So I get that because we have holes, and they've done their best to address those on
10:32the offensive line and everything.
10:33The thought is, well, you should have opportunities to play on a team like this.
10:38Like Carson Swesinger came right in, played, was immediately impactful, and seems like he
10:43could be an all-pro the rest of his career.
10:45So that's where you're like, why can't we just do that every year?
10:48All right, I understand that.
10:49I also think it'd be one thing if, you know, I had higher aspirations for this team right
10:56now.
10:56But because this draft is considered so lousy at the premium positions, and just when I
11:04hear all the evaluators, all the top guys that we tend to think have credibility on
11:09these things, you know, the draft is still a crapshoot in the end.
11:11But they tend to say, like, yeah, there will be good players you could take in this draft.
11:16But for the elite prospects, there aren't really a bunch of them.
11:21And that's why, you know, guys that could go top 10 in this draft would be late teens
11:28and near the second round in most drafts.
11:30That's what I've heard.
11:31Don't kill the messenger.
11:32That's what, you know, people continue to say on that.
11:35So because of that, I'm more open to taking a project.
11:39And projects are not expected to start right away.
11:43I know what's going to be said, but that's not a reason to go away from a guy.
11:45If I think that guy's going to be, if I think that guy's going to be quality, and I think
11:49he's going to end up playing like a first rounder at pick 24, you take a guy at number
11:53six, the guy's got to start week one.
11:55It's just the way it goes.
11:56All right?
11:56Any position, he's going to have to play week one.
11:59So that's why you take...
12:00Even a quarterback, you know how this goes.
12:01So because of that, you'd have to, you'd say Freeling is a no-go.
12:04Because they're saying he's not ready to go.
12:05No, he's a no-go.
12:07Because he's a pure left tackle, that's why he's shooting up the board.
12:09There's a lot of...
12:10There is a lot of character to him that you could say, man, he could end up being a really,
12:15really, really great player in this league.
12:17But when you're taking him at number six overall, I mean, you're going to have to give your team
12:21something.
12:22You're going to have to infuse them with something there that's going to help them week one.
12:26If he can't do it, I'm not going to put him in that position.
12:29At 24, I think it's easier for me to look at a guy and go, all right, what's he going
12:33to
12:33do with my offensive line?
12:34Because I'm looking more at offensive linemen.
12:36There's fewer and fewer offensive linemen that are ready to play week one.
12:39And we take guys like Joel Batonio almost for granted.
12:43Joe Thomas isn't taken for granted.
12:45But you take all the other guys that were ready to play week one in this league who might
12:48not have been top five overall picks.
12:50And it's like, I don't think the league's like that anymore.
12:52So if you were to take a Hayden Proctor or say, it was just a lot of talk and Monroe
12:56Freeling
12:57is there at 24.
12:59Okay, that's fine.
13:00It's going to be a tough sell to your fan base.
13:02But that's not why I go away from making that pick.
13:06Because if this draft is as low on talent as we think it are, but as high on potential,
13:10then I'm going to have to trust my staff and actually bring somebody along.
13:14And then maybe by halfway through the season, he's ready to go.
13:16I guess if I reframed it, so Freeling, like if he came back to college for a year and then
13:23had a dominant year because he'd get that extra year and the coaching that you would
13:28expect him to get at Georgia, right, like he would then, let's just say if it were a
13:34normal draft next year, isn't it, there's going to be a bunch of quarterbacks taken
13:36early, but then Freeling would be the first offensive lineman taken in next year's draft.
13:43Even more than likely.
13:44Okay.
13:44He'd get bigger and stronger.
13:45I think he's only 21.
13:46Okay.
13:47Because of that, why is he off the board at six now?
13:50If we're talking about a guy that could be the first offensive lineman off the board next
13:53year, what's the rush?
13:54Can I explain?
13:55Why are the Browns in such a rush?
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