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00:00all right here's what stinks to high heaven about this once again it's not a traditional uh you
00:06know restructure two um it's about future flexibility so i'm supposed to believe that
00:12the browns right now we're thinking of 2029 and 20 2030 when who the hell knows where miles will
00:19be who the hell know will the team be in brook park i'm pretty sure but will the team even
00:23be
00:23like i just it just feels a little convenient you didn't have to do that today to open up that
00:29future flexibility when it really offers you nothing now no but i mean it just it gives them
00:33it gives them the summer to think about whatever they need to think about i guess like it sounds
00:36it sounds funny for a reason because it it looks funny and it is funny and uh i yeah i
00:42mean i
00:43listen i if you want me to stand up here and try to defend what the browns did i can't
00:47i can't do it
00:48it doesn't make sense outside of any other reason to give themselves flexibility to try to trade miles
00:53garrett if they want to trade miles garrett one day i also think the plausible deniability thing is big
00:57right um and i said in the first segment you don't don't don't do the he's on the open market
01:04thing
01:04nope if you're going to trade him one day just trade him because i think browns fans specific to
01:08miles have been through enough with his trade request and your refusal to do it even though i think it
01:14was 50 50 of people who wanted to trade miles a year ago uh and and people who didn't i
01:20just think
01:20what's interesting about it now is you are especially if you trade him in this next season you are
01:25halfway into a rebuild and i think there's a lot of people really loving the idea of trading miles
01:31garrett because it's something it's a step in a direction my caution to anyone is it doesn't mean
01:38it's a direction you want to go or direction of the workout with these chuckleheads in mind oh yeah
01:43i can't trust the chuckleheads as you call them but like uh the idea that you would be at least
01:48signaling to the fan base what your plans are is a pretty stark contrast to what we've seen out of
01:52them in recent years and i think that is different like if they and this is why maybe they can't
01:56necessarily go out there and be like we're shopping miles garrett because if they don't pull it off uh
02:00that is in direct contrast to them actually signaling to everybody that this upcoming year is just a
02:06rebuild year and it is what it is well i think that's it's so interesting like as the more we
02:10thought
02:11about with every jack duff and tweet that gave me more anxiety jack's convinced um the frustrating
02:16thing about our about the regular the relative conversation about this is the browns have put
02:22a lot of talent on this roster they're at least trying to make a coherent offensive line i'm gonna
02:28imagine after the draft you're gonna have a couple wide receivers here that weren't you're probably
02:32gonna have a couple more extra offensive linemen to where you're gonna look at this and go
02:35oh it's not too bad and then you're gonna look at the quarterback spot and go well okay interested in
02:42shador what else right it's like the quarterback position and the lack of assets or lack of attempt
02:48to bolster it wouldn't be commensurate with the rest of the roster and what you're trying to do
02:55unless of course you are planning to trade miles and potentially denzel and i think that's i i get it
03:02i get it it finally would make sense the moves they've made and the moves they haven't made would
03:07make sense but it just like i think there's a lot like we did uh i did a twitter poll
03:12yesterday on
03:13the way uh on the way home saying would you be willing to deal miles before the season if it
03:18meant
03:18getting the quarterback in 2027 and 56 percent of people said yes and a few people commented i want
03:25to do this last year and it's like i i've stopped trusting any nfl team and it's not just about
03:31the
03:31browns when teams think they're really smart and really clever and we're on the cutting edge of doing
03:36this and we're going to tear this thing down and rebuild it the teams that have success are the
03:41teams that aren't mired in a prolonged rebuild and are teams that are traditionally good at building
03:46rosters anyway the browns aren't either one of those things i'm sorry actually they're the first
03:51thing they're mired in a rebuild that they didn't choose to enter and they're not an organization that
03:56has proven to get the nose up on this long enough to call them a truly competent organization
04:00that's so much trust in this front office and i think people are just handing it over willy-nilly
04:05because at least you know down is a direction as opposed to sideways well and i also i look at
04:10it
04:10like how many fans would respond back and say well even if you give andrew barry let's say three first
04:14round picks two for miles and then one for denzel do we trust them even know what they're doing with
04:18those three first round picks well and that's i i think a lot of the yeses were also baked into
04:23the
04:23idea of this hysteria of the 2027 class i'm not saying that it's not real i'm just not banking on
04:30it
04:30and i absolutely hate that as a fan i just wish we had all learned from tanking like the people
04:37right now that are signing up and i i've heard everybody's take on this and i and i get it
04:42i
04:42understand that there's oh well two or three first rounders look at the value i give a rat's ass about
04:48value you know what i care about wins and losses but this pornographic fetish that people have well
04:55oh you gotta get value it's like or how about this by the way this is like a uniquely brownsian
05:01thing or a uniquely bad team thing right do you think the ravens give a rat's behind about value
05:07no they like great players to retire in their uniform did they get when when ray lewis hit 32
05:13were they like we don't trade him now we'll never get our value it's just and fans have started
05:20leeching on to this and the media started leeching on value means nothing value means nothing without
05:26without something behind it without an exactitude of what you're gonna get means literally nothing
05:32so good trade miles garrett trade the best player you've had not named joe thomas since 1999
05:38and when that ends up with a nice little nickel corner and a slap ass quarterback i don't want to
05:43hear a single person today saying yes trade miles for a hypothetical maybe we can get a quarterback in
05:49the future and he turns out to be the next baker who then you're gonna run out of town i'm
05:53sorry
05:54those people will be able to blow it all the way out their ass i don't know i just think
05:58those people
05:58i think they want to have a situation where the browns aren't sitting there and telling everyone
06:03we're doing one thing when it's obvious they're doing something different and i think that's that's
06:06where this whole conversation has been going for a year plus like if they would have if they would
06:10have traded miles last year and denzel last year you wouldn't have five wins last season you'd be in a
06:15better spot to go and do whatever you want in this draft you'd have more arsenal loaded up and
06:19uh like it's it's nice that we watched miles play another defensive player of the year season
06:22but is that is that enough to offset the idea that you'd be in a better spot for future years
06:27let me ask like this is this is putting the you got to tell you got to think about but
06:30that's a
06:30hypothetical they're all they're all hypothetical i think my problem is it's based in this idea of
06:35you're exactly you're you're 100 in a better position going forward you are they can still bungle it
06:40well no but i think that's the point is it still feels like a road but you have a better
06:44chance of
06:45not bungling it if you have more chips and more uh things that you're disposing how many teams have
06:49actually pulled off tanking in the last 10 years in the nfl specifically jacksonville oh that's been
06:54fun right they went all that way for trevor lawrence and uh yeah you might have a chance after six
07:01years you're hoping for a chance the browns oh those two playoff appearances were nice i don't know
07:06what about the the colts when they got rid of peyton manning to suck for that one year for
07:10andrew luck worked out pretty well 10 years also by the way it didn't you didn't you had what three
07:14playoff appearances with andrew luck no but the point killed him yeah the point is that you didn't
07:17just end up in a a year after year suck like you were supposed to after peyton manning yeah they
07:23kind of did end up after those first three years of the playoffs they kind of were mired they won
07:27double digit games and we're in the playoffs though like that was that was the point three years so it
07:30was was was was that two years really because there was peyton being injured no no it's it's one
07:35you're sorry they suck for one year so one year's worth three good years for luck and then they got
07:40it up everything that happened after with andrew luck i don't know that you can predict that andrew
07:43like that most quarterbacks are going to at 29 years old just be like i'm done playing but yes
07:46everything everything after that with with andrew luck was 100 worth one bad year but i don't know
07:51that you can say that you can necessarily say well we're going to get this guy in this next draft
07:55and
07:55we're going to project out 10 years of success just clearly that's not what happens for most teams
08:00a tank andrew peyton manning to andrew luck tends to be the anomaly everything else is suck to suck
08:07it just depends on how much one version of suck to the next version of suck and and i don't
08:12have
08:12problems with fan i shouldn't say that i have problems with fans i have problems with media
08:16members who should know what better because we cover this thing obsessively obsessively and when
08:23people are just on the i mean you have to trade miles what about value okay but then how are
08:28you
08:28getting your quarterback uh you're going to try and play into next year and and figure it out
08:32you're going to play this year you're going to try and win trading miles garrett gives you the best
08:35chance within the the roster of what you're able to do six pick in next year's draft no no you
08:40wouldn't
08:40get the 26 if you trade miles you trade denzel you don't have much of a defense at that point
08:44and
08:44you're in a much better position for what you're going to get for him you're not you're not going to
08:47get a top 15 pick for miles no but if you get three first round picks let's say you end
08:51up with the
08:51seventh overall pick you can do whatever you need to in order to get one two three whatever that is
08:55with
08:56quarterback but it doesn't but it doesn't guarantee that there are going to be three teams let's say
09:00there's three quarterbacks it doesn't guarantee the first three teams in the draft no but you're still
09:03again you're still in a good position is the point and like that's that's what you're trying to set
09:07up if you don't do those wishes and dreams but if you don't do those moves you're stuck with
09:11nothing anyway you're stuck with trying to win which is the objective of football but you're not
09:15going to win if they if they if they break it down that's what they're telling you now what they're
09:20telling me is andrew barry found another way to pull the wool over jimmy haslam's eyes
09:24hey hey listen that last thing that we did where we walked into like a half a team built there
09:30and
09:30then we ran into the side of the freaking mountain hey that one got away from us i mean you
09:35know what's
09:35really going to work this time why don't we tank why don't we trade all the good players that i
09:39didn't draft why don't we trade them away vegas has you at six and a half wins you think you're
09:43going to outperform that by like six wins next year i think you can outperform it by two or three
09:46wins
09:47yes okay so i think you'll be a seven or eight win team next year and i don't think that's
09:50a big
09:50projection what does an eight win season do for you uh it takes you away from being one of the
09:54suck-ass teams in the nfl you still don't have a quarterback now unless in this scenario just
09:58judor is awesome and then he's the reason why you have eight or nine wins which i think you
10:01trade up for a quarterback in the same way you wouldn't have you don't have the draft picks to
10:05trade up for a quarterback the same way first you can trade three first you can trade a 28 and
10:0929 first rounder yeah but then you're not going into 20 28 and 20 29 you have the first round
10:13picks in the arsenal to do it right then and there but so would i rather have would i rather
10:16have
10:16watch what happened when you got rid of deshaun watson in the first round picks for years on
10:20would i would i rather have the 28 and 29 first round picks and and get that quarterback next year
10:25in this hypothetical middle of the the road nfl thing and still have miles garrett and denzel ward
10:30i think i would but miles and denzel don't do anything to the greater cause that's that's just
10:34not true they've had one of the best defenses in the nfl like and they won and they won eight
10:39games
10:39in two years yeah yeah and what about the other years where they've actually had competent
10:43quarterback play were they good then or did they not have anything to do with wins and losses
10:47they won eight games in two years with those players we're talking about this upcoming season
10:51no you're talking about the two years you got one playoff win in the entire stretch of having miles
10:56garrett fine trade him honestly why even have a team it's not why i have a team but like if
11:01you're
11:01gonna go if you're gonna go for a bigger flying him out of here too if you're gonna go for
11:04a bigger
11:05chance like the biggest chance is getting a dynamic quarterback a franchise time in the last 10 years
11:10where it's worked a franchise no no no tanking tell me when in the last 10 years tell me when
11:15tanking
11:15his work i think the bears sucking helping helping out to get uh caleb williams helped out in good
11:19way yeah and what they did with that we got one year proof on that how about other and that
11:24one
11:24year they got more playoff wins than miles garrett has an entire career when did they trade away
11:28miles garrett but even between all of this trade away denzel ward they weren't tanking they just didn't
11:32have talent on the roster there's a difference the bears there's better by the way middle of the
11:38bears uh trying to tank they traded for montez sweat okay you but the okay so the cowboys last year
11:43they trade off michael parsons they were seven and ten and then they went seven nine and one last
11:47year like it's not as if there's some like uh big fallout from happening with michael parsons
11:52i well i even the whole name of the game is getting a franchise quarterback this isn't this is the
11:56only thing that matters is quarterback it's not we've lost the plot the reason why the browns
12:00just lost for 25 years has been not having a franchise quarterback the only thing you need is a
12:04franchise quarterback nothing else matters was having baker mayfield that was like pat mahomes had
12:08really good defenses before had welcome to the nfl if you don't if you don't have a franchise
12:12quarterback life's really tough and that's that's what the browns are moving in the nfl
12:16four franchise quarterbacks that's it yes there's only four there are four elite quarterbacks we
12:21disagree on that like you can win you can win with a good enough so you think the 10th best
12:25quarterback in the nfl draft is an elite quarterback sam donald just won the super bowl where you can
12:29win with a the 10th best quarterback in the nfl i thought we needed a franchise quarterback sam
12:33donald is a franchise quarterback you're not accepting that for some reason but sam donald is a
12:37franchise we have different viewpoints on what is considered a franchise quarterback okay so
12:40we've long disagreed on what is the what is that exception so that's fine at one point baker mayfield
12:46was a top 10 quarterback and then i heard he wasn't a franchise quarterback so i just can't i
12:49keep losing the plot on what people didn't hear from me because he was a franchise quarterback when
12:54he was here the the slippery slope that is isn't a franchise quarterback or the 10th best quarterback
12:58or the third best quarterback 216-474-0092 i'm not mad at you i want you to understand you sound
13:04mad at me no you sound really mad at me pissed that we are here again well it's what it
13:09is like you
13:09need a quarterback that is that is the game yes yes the game is you need a quarterback you don't
13:12get to watch somebody drive your car off a bridge and then go well it is what it is you
13:17can't be
13:17pissed at him no i'm pissed no you get to be you get to be as pissed as you want
13:21but you can't you
13:21can't sit there and say you don't understand what they're doing no you know what they're doing like
13:25it's obvious what they're doing it's not like a hard reach to find out what they're doing they're
13:30trying to get a quarterback it's like somebody watching somebody drive your car off the bridge
13:35and then being upset about it and then going hey can i use your new car and then they do
13:39the same
13:39damn thing stop driving the car off the bridge please and that's that's more distrust with the
13:45browns which is fair i get that and understand that now i'm going to trust him to trade the
13:48best player second best player in franchise history trust in the browns is always a thing
13:52that you can live with and have an understanding of and that's perfectly acceptable uh but i think
13:56where a lot of fans are and myself included is is that i'd rather go for a franchise quarterback
14:00in whatever way we can than run back a defense and miles garrett and denzel war that's given me
14:04eight wins in the previous two years i just can't wait for the next josh rosen the name of the
14:08game
14:09that's it you got you got to take swings at the quarterback yeah got to take more swings that's
14:12it they haven't taken enough swings at all yeah got it then picked up the bat yeah why don't we
14:16go
14:16ahead and get a bit bigger might as well in the past couple years
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