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00:00Ohio State Pro Day yesterday, Andrew Barry was not there. I don't know where he was.
00:04And if I don't know where he was, I can't go full rip. Can't do it yet.
00:09If I find out, maybe we'll do it. Okay? That makes sense?
00:13If you can make it, though, you should make it because it makes your fan base feel better.
00:17They don't necessarily trust you. You know who was there at Ohio State's Pro Day Tone?
00:22Who's that? Daniel Oyefusi. He joins us right now from ESPN on the Make It Right Call Kyle Right Hotline.
00:27Daniel, good morning. Good morning. How y'all doing?
00:31I'm doing well. Should I just hand in the card and take Carnell Tate right now at No. 6 if
00:36he's there?
00:38I wouldn't do that just yet. I wouldn't do that just yet.
00:41Obviously, I was out there in Columbus, got a chance to see him in person for the first time.
00:47He looked at the advertising. It's just routes on air and whatnot.
00:50But he looked, like the Scotland Report says, really smooth and athletic.
00:54Just a guy that Ryan Day said is going to be able to step in from day one and contribute.
00:59But I still think there's a lot of factors at play.
01:02Obviously, they're looking at wide receivers. They're looking at tackles.
01:05I think that the real interesting dynamic for the Browns is there's no question that not only are the best
01:13players,
01:13but the true blue-chip prospects outside of the running back Jeremiah Love in this draft,
01:18they're all on the defensive side of the ball.
01:20And the Browns are sitting in a position at 6 where those players on defense are really in a tier,
01:26I think, above the offensive players that need on offense.
01:30So you're having a real situation where at 6, Caleb Downs is there.
01:35Maybe Reuben Bain is there.
01:36Maybe somebody else kind of falls and slips through 6.
01:39And it's like, all right, well, are we going to take this guy, if we're taking BPA,
01:43which I continue to hear, are we going to take BPA and get a defensive guy when we have these
01:47glaring needs?
01:48I think there's a real interesting dynamic, which is why, if I had to guess,
01:52I think the Browns would really like to probably trade back a couple spots
01:56and maybe get an extra third-round pick and still get a guy that's an impact but maybe isn't rich
02:01at 6.
02:03Obviously, a lot of chatter around what you're supposed to do in a draft like this
02:08where it seems like the premium elite prospects, the premium positions, don't necessarily exist.
02:14In the past, it's always been, hey, you've got to grab your tackle early because they're not going to make
02:18it
02:18to the second round or, in this case, where the Browns are picking later in the first round.
02:23But the receivers are always there.
02:25There's always really good receivers.
02:27There's more and more receivers taken early in the first three rounds than ever before.
02:31So with that said, why might this year be different?
02:34Why might they not opt to go with a left tackle early?
02:39Well, I mean, honestly, I think that that's probably the conventional wisdom.
02:42Like, I think it's a lot.
02:44I mean, you just look at the top left tackles in the NFL.
02:48Like, they're drafted in the top ten.
02:51They're drafted at the top of the draft.
02:53Obviously, you find some really, really good wide receivers early in the draft, too.
02:57But I think that you have a larger hit percentage, a larger hit rate on wide receivers
03:02even as you go out of the top of the first round and even into the second and maybe the
03:06third round.
03:07Really good left tackles are not typically available where the Browns are selecting, you know,
03:11with their second first round pick at 24.
03:13The bidgers are not.
03:14Like, they're usually scooped up by then.
03:15Which is why, like, I kind of lend to the point of the line of thinking that if Monroe Freeling,
03:21you know, the left tackle from Georgia, is close, if it's close, I'd probably just take him there at six
03:27and be done with it.
03:28But if you don't think, if you have, like, some real questions, I don't think you, like, force the pick.
03:32Like, you know, if he's your second-rated tackle, top left tackle, and you know that, you know,
03:39there's going to be some growing pains, but you think the ceiling is there,
03:42I'd rather take the left tackle and fortify the trenches and take my chances on getting a productive wide receiver
03:49at 24 or 39.
03:51Because, you know, history just suggests and tells you that you can get a productive or real,
03:56you can get a Pro Bowl wide receiver, you know, late in the first round, even in the second round.
04:00But you're usually not getting those 10-year Pro Bowl all-pro left tackles outside of the first round.
04:06You take Monroe Freeling at six, huh?
04:09I mean, it depends on the board.
04:11Like, I don't know.
04:12I think, I mean, it's always interesting.
04:13You know, this time of the year, there's always, like, a couple guys who just kind of start shooting up
04:17the draft boards,
04:17and then you start questioning, like, I always start wondering, okay, well, is this a case of the media and
04:23the public
04:24just not really being privy to this player, or is this kind of just like a manufacturer thing?
04:31You know, I trust, you know, my colleagues at ESPN that do this thing for a living.
04:36And, you know, he's been kind of floating around there.
04:39Like, Monroe Freeling's been kind of floating around there as, like, a top, you know, 30-ish prospect.
04:43But the question is, like, do you take him at six?
04:45That's why I'm saying, like, if I think there's real conversations and, you know,
04:49they're going to have it over the next couple weeks.
04:51Like, can we trade back to, like, 10 or 12 and then take Freeling at 12 and then get an
04:56extra third-round pick
04:58that, you know, we saw they hit on Harold Fannin last year.
05:00That's another legitimate starter.
05:02I think, like, those are the types of conversations that are being had and I think are going to be
05:06had.
05:07Man, they could get another Dylan Gabriel the third round.
05:09That would be incredible.
05:10So, what's your problem?
05:12What the hell is your problem?
05:13I'm just having some fun.
05:15So, the Ohio State guys, by the way, I wanted to ask you since you were there.
05:19I've seen some, like, this sounds weird to me that people are taking still images of Arvel Reese
05:25and they're like, nope, can't rush the passer like that.
05:30Who did themselves, you know, favors in yesterday's pro day and who hurt themselves?
05:37I mean, I don't want to say anybody hurt themselves because, honestly, I don't think the pro day really matters
05:41that much.
05:41Like, I mean, like, we have multiple years of film.
05:45They've already brought in Carnell Tate for a 30 visit.
05:48They've met with a lot of these guys.
05:49Like, I don't think, I mean, you could hurt yourself at a pro day if you just, like, look terrible.
05:52But, like, they usually kind of set up in a way that, you know, you shine.
05:56And even, like, the top Ohio State guys didn't even do, like, any, like, a real athletic testing.
06:02Like, they just went through the drills.
06:03Like, they didn't, like, Carnell didn't run the 40 again.
06:05But I would say if anyone maybe, like, helped themselves from perception, I mean, Carnell went out there and he
06:10looked fast.
06:11Like, people are talking about a 4-5-5 or a 4-5-3.
06:14And I spoke to, you know, a front office person out there in Columbus and they were like, 4-5
06:18-5 or 4-3 is, like, right around where we kind of projected, you know, him running.
06:22Like, they use this GPS track and stuff.
06:25So, the 40 really, like, as he kind of alluded to, it's kind of a bit overvalued.
06:29But he went out there and he looked smooth.
06:30He looked good.
06:31If anybody maybe helped himself, I'd say, I'd say Carnell Tate.
06:34I agree with you.
06:35The only, I was telling Lima during a break, the only reason, he asked me about a 40.
06:39I said, the only reason I would probably value it anymore.
06:41Well, I mean, if you have a guy who runs, like, a 4-2, it's going to get the fans
06:45going.
06:46So, if you were able, if you took a guy who was really fast, fans are going to love that.
06:49But I really think it's maybe just a little bit of a test to see how serious you're willing to
06:53take something.
06:54Like, because you see how guys work out for it and they change how they do things just so they
06:58can run a good 40.
06:59I don't know.
07:00Maybe that's part of it.
07:01But some of the other stuff, I just, like, maybe it matters.
07:04Maybe it doesn't.
07:05It's usually how they see on tape.
07:08I'm interested in the Monroe Freeling, which you said.
07:10Is there a guy already you know?
07:12Doesn't have to be Ohio State.
07:13Is there a guy already you know you'd like to avoid?
07:17I'd like to avoid.
07:20Doesn't have to be for personal reasons.
07:22Don't got to tear him down.
07:23You know what?
07:24He's not a good fit.
07:25I don't think he's a good fit for the Browns right now.
07:28Well, I'll say this.
07:29I'll say this.
07:30I am a big Jordan Tyson fan.
07:33I'm a big fan.
07:34I was talking to Chris Edmonds about Jordan Tyson.
07:36You know, the Browns say, I was talking to Chris Edmonds about Jordan Tyson, like, in the middle of the
07:40season.
07:42And he was just like, yeah, that's a dog.
07:45The injuries, there were some.
07:49And if not for the injuries, I would definitely be pushing a wide receiver one agenda for him.
07:55You know, I spoke to a West Coast area scout that has watched Jordan Tyson and Makai Lemon.
08:01And literally, he was like, if not for the injuries, he's my wide receiver one.
08:06He said Lemon and Tyson are 1A, 1B, and Tyson is only 1B because of the injuries.
08:12You know, I think that he'd be a great fit in here.
08:15But for a team that has seen, you know, a lot of, you know, their top guys be injured and
08:20not be able to contribute because of nagging injuries and unfortunate injuries, it's tough for me to push that, which
08:26is why, like, I almost lean, like, hey, if you're going to take any wide receiver there, I really like
08:31the Tate fit just because I think he's going to be super solid.
08:33I don't know if he's going to be a Jamar Chase, but if he can be, you know, T. Higgins
08:38-ish or T. Higgins-esque, like, I would take that as a starting point.
08:44So, you know, I really do like Tyson, but the injuries, just like, I just would feel, it'd make me
08:50feel a little uneasy if the Browns took him at 6 or even if they traded back.
08:53And if they get him at 24, maybe, maybe I feel a little bit better about it, but the injuries
08:58are tough to kind of look over.
09:00That's a hell of an answer.
09:02See, we can always say, it's like, you don't, I know, it's like, you don't want to tear a guy
09:06down.
09:07It's like, why not?
09:08But it's like, well, no, that's a hell of an answer right there.
09:10Go ahead, Tom.
09:10Does Shador Sanders, and to a much less extent, Dylan Gabriel, does that factor into how they will draft at
09:20all in terms of whether or not to pick up another quarterback, throw another dart later in the draft?
09:27I think so.
09:28I mean, the whole quarterback situation has been kind of weird.
09:31Like, I remember talking on a program, like, maybe like a couple weeks back or definitely before free agency, and
09:38I was very skeptical about them bringing in anybody at quarterback.
09:43Just from the conversations I had, like, it didn't look like they were really high on, like, any of the
09:48guys, any of the names that have been floated.
09:51And, you know, again, you have two young developing quarterbacks right now.
09:56I don't know if it really benefits anybody to bring in, like, another quarterback that's probably going to be a
10:03developing passer.
10:04I think, you know, if I was in charge, and, you know, I'm not in charge, so who really cares
10:07what I think.
10:08But if I'm in charge, you know, like, I bring in a fourth arm that's just like a vet that
10:12you know is just kind of there to just kind of be a camp arm.
10:15And then you roll with the guys that you have, unless, unless, unless is the caveat, unless Todd Munkin falls
10:21in love with somebody, and, you know, the organization falls in love with somebody, then I guess you bring them
10:27in.
10:27But, I mean, this quarterback draft class is not very highly touted.
10:31I mean, there's probably going to be somebody under the radar that sneaks up on us, kind of like Tyler
10:35Shuck did last year.
10:36But I don't know.
10:37Like, I don't think it benefits, really, the organization and the team to just kind of bring in another young
10:42quarterback.
10:43And then you have, you know, this three-way, four-way quarterback kind of mess that you had last year.
10:48I don't know if that's in the best interest of the whole team.
10:51Daniel Yafusi, ESPN, Browns reporter, joining us here on the show on the Make a Right, Call Call, Right hotline.
10:57I asked Mary Kay this earlier.
10:58We're asking everybody who covers football, especially this week.
11:01Percent chance to you that Shador Sanders starts week one for the Cleveland Browns?
11:07Yeah, I'm going to just put it at 50-50 with the real note, like the real wild card being
11:12Deshaun.
11:14You know, I mean, there's people that think that if healthy, he's going to beat out Shador.
11:18And, you know, I would just kind of respond, you know, like it's fair to question.
11:23I think that there's real questions about what he's going to look like.
11:26You know, by the time he would have played, the next time he plays in an NFL, a legitimate NFL
11:33regular season game,
11:34if that's week one or later, he would have been, you know, almost two years,
11:37if not two years removed from, you know, a pair of Achilles surgeries.
11:43You know, you couple that with him playing poor football before the injuries.
11:49Anybody just assuming that he's going to, you know, even with a new coaching staff and a new scheme,
11:53it's just going to like go back to being a Pro Bowl player.
11:55I think that's pretty disingenuous.
11:57But, you know, like Tom, like I said, you'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
12:00You'll see what he can do when he's out there.
12:03But nobody knows, nobody can say for sure what Deshaun's going to look like.
12:07And if they do, I think that they're being really disingenuous.
12:09With Shador, you just assume that the natural progression is for him to improve upon his rookie year.
12:15But he's got to go out there and do it.
12:16It is a new scheme.
12:17It is a new playbook.
12:18And he's got to go out there and prove it as well.
12:20Do you believe the Browns want Shador to win that job?
12:26I mean, probably, because I think that that's their most...
12:33What's the word?
12:34That's the most ideal pathway to kind of getting out from under, you know,
12:39the ramifications of the Deshaun Watson contract and his poor performance
12:42is for, you know, a young quarterback on a rookie contract to perform well.
12:46I think that if it's close, you know, you do definitely, like, hope that you can lean to him
12:51and have him perform for sure.
12:54What would you do?
12:56Well, first off, why did the Browns restructure all that stuff with Miles Garrett yesterday?
12:59Not all that stuff, but, you know, they moved the money around
13:01and now they can pay him the rest of the money later on.
13:03Why do you think they did that?
13:04Yeah.
13:05Yeah.
13:06You know, I'm sneaking, you know, sniffing around on that.
13:09Still have not gotten anything definitive.
13:11I know Mary Kay has also reported this.
13:13And, you know, I didn't get the sense that it was the precursor to a trade.
13:17But where there's smoke, there's fire.
13:20You know, this is coming on the heels of them also proposing to expand trade limitations
13:26or expand, you know, when you can trade picks five years out instead of three.
13:30So, you know, stuff, there's starting to be a little bit of smoke,
13:34even though I don't even think that I was directly tied to a Miles trade.
13:37You know, they're the masters of the cap.
13:40They know way more than I will ever.
13:43They've remembered more about the cap or forgotten more about the cap than I will ever know.
13:46So I will say that it's not a pay cut.
13:50Miles isn't giving up any money, but it does kind of free up some cap space
13:55that would have been filled up, like, in the near future.
13:59Like, he had a $29 million option bonus.
14:02And I don't want to get too much into the cap machinations.
14:05But once that option bonus is exercised, it's broken up into five years.
14:10So that would have been, like, about almost $6 million on the cap that's filled up now.
14:16So now you have a little bit more space.
14:17You know, they're going to need most of their remaining cap space to sign this draft class.
14:20So maybe it just gives you, like, a window.
14:22Like, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
14:23I don't know for sure exactly what's going on.
14:25But I'm just saying, you know, a possibility is that it gives them a little more flexibility
14:29over the next couple months.
14:30And then once you get to a week before the regular season when the roster is really set,
14:34you have a better feel of where you're at with the cap.
14:37But obviously, again, where there's smoke, there's fire.
14:39I think it's probably going to be important in the owners' meetings coming up in a couple
14:42of days for, you know, these higher-ups, whether it's, you know, Andrew Barry, Todd Munkin,
14:47or Dean Jimmy Haslam to, again, state that they have no interest in trading Myles Garrett.
14:52And then we're also probably going to have to hear from Myles at some point to say, like,
14:55he is committed, which he has said he is committed as long as this team is committed to winning.
15:00Daniel Yafusi, find him on social media.
15:02He's wonderful.
15:03Browns reporter, ESPN on the Make It Right, Call Kyle Wright Hotline.
15:06Daniel, thank you very much for the time.
15:09No problem, anytime.
15:10Thank you, Daniel Yafusi.
15:11On the Make It Right, Call Kyle Wright Hotline, 50-50 split when it comes to the quarterback
15:15over there.
15:17Not necessarily sold on Carnell, number six overall.
15:20And he'd be open to Monroe Freeling at number six.
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