00:00Are we ready to welcome in Daryl? We are. I got the thumbs up. Daryl Ryder joins us right now
00:04on the show.
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00:09Outstanding. Daryl, hello.
00:12Hello, boys.
00:13All right, we just had a big fight. We played some Todd McShay audio.
00:17Can we get that rounded back up for him? I know that when I hit the dump, I'd probably mess
00:21some things up.
00:22All right, here we go. Todd McShay on the ringer. Daryl, listen closely.
00:26This is the plan. The plan is we're going to stick at three and take Abdul.
00:30And the Shador thing blew up, and I knew the behind stories and some of the things that happened in
00:34some of the meetings, and it wasn't good.
00:36I didn't know he was going to fall to the fifth. I thought second round is probably where it's going
00:40to happen.
00:41But then you start to hear people in the league, and you understand the why.
00:44My point is, the Giants played it perfectly. Let's get our guy here, just like the Cardinals sitting there at
00:49three.
00:50So what did Shador do? I hate to keep asking this.
00:52Did he just look at Chris Ballard and decide to do like Steve Martin in planes, trains, and automobiles, yelling
00:57at John Candy?
00:58I mean, what on earth was it? Because it's like, okay, the interviews hurt you a little.
01:02To the fifth round, huh? So he went from top five to the fifth round?
01:07What, Daryl? I mean, that's ridiculous.
01:10Well, I think that it was the media that had him as a top five and not the NFL.
01:19Well, Greg Cosell says his tape is always fine. Greg Cosell never lies.
01:23I'm not even saying that Tom McShay's a liar.
01:25I believe that, yes, it probably cost him a little bit, but to the fifth round.
01:30Yeah, Daryl, I've seen enough people now say that the talent was definitely, you know, first or second round.
01:37So we'd be saying, you know, probably lower first into the second round.
01:40I definitely think that talent was there.
01:42I just, Ken and I kind of got into it, but I can't think of it as anything else other
01:48than he tanked those interviews.
01:50He was very proud about not needing an agent.
01:53And of course, what do agents do? They prepare you for that setting.
01:56And I think a big part of his entire persona is I'm going to do it my way.
02:02And you know what? Hey, if it ends up working for him, then it should be applauded and maybe it'll
02:08be a test case.
02:09But until otherwise, I think other agents are going to tell prospective clients like,
02:14you need to sign up with us or what happened to Shador can happen to you.
02:19The NFL has their ways that they like things done.
02:23And I think in some respects, Shador went against the grain a little bit.
02:30And clearly, whatever happened during the pre-draft process rubbed a lot of teams the wrong way.
02:38There was some reporting that he was even turning down interviews with teams.
02:44There was reporting that he was treating interviews like he was the one that should be recruited
02:50rather than he was applying for a job.
02:53Now, I wasn't in the room.
02:55I know you guys weren't in the room.
02:56So it's hard to say what specifically happened during the pre-draft process.
03:03But it's very clear that he was penalized, it felt like, with that outcome.
03:12There was something that did not sit well with the National Football League beyond just the tape.
03:20And he got punished for it.
03:24And so now, this year, he's got an opportunity to come in and earn a starting job.
03:31But, you know, I will also say this.
03:34I don't think that Shador Sanders received the insight and the help that he needed
03:41and the counsel that he needed going through that pre-draft process.
03:49So, you know, hopefully last year was a little bit of a lesson for him as far as things that
03:55were asked of him
03:56specifically by the Cleveland Browns and how the organization likes to do things.
04:01And I realize we have a new head coach now in Todd Munkin and Kevin Stefanski
04:05and his offensive staff are no longer here.
04:08But hopefully now Shador is able to attack this offseason, you know,
04:14with the mindset that's going to be required for him to win this job.
04:18Because I will say this.
04:20If he has the same attitude and the same mindset that he had last offseason,
04:25I don't know that he's going to win the starting job.
04:29And one of those things that informed that mindset was he was buried as number four on the depth chart.
04:35And it was, you know, I think he was given the impression it was going to be a redshirt year
04:40for him.
04:41And, you know, what was it, by November he was on the field and playing.
04:46So, you know, he's got an opportunity to win a job this year.
04:50And I think that Shador needs to keep his attention focused forward on what opportunity is there for him now
04:58rather than dwelling on whatever happened that led to him falling to the fifth round in the NFL draft.
05:05The dangerous one, Daryl Ryder, joining us on the show.
05:07Daryl, you said earlier this week, 45% chance he starts week one.
05:11Does that mean it's 55% Deshaun Watson?
05:13Yeah.
05:14Good boy.
05:15Well, I mean, he's got to take the job.
05:17That's just how I look at this.
05:19The Browns have not made it a secret that Deshaun is going to get an opportunity.
05:27You know, they owe him $46 million this year.
05:30He's coming off of, you know, the two Achilles tears in three months.
05:37He's played 19 games in six years.
05:40He's going to look great in practice.
05:42He looks good on Instagram.
05:43He looks healthy.
05:44He looks agile and all that.
05:46But we've seen when he has come back from significant time off, just the processing just isn't there.
05:55And, you know, it feels like at times where he's in slow motion and it's not looked good.
06:01So I anticipate that Deshaun's going to look great during the offseason program and the OTAs and the mini camps
06:08and even a portion of training camp here.
06:11But I'm not very confident that Deshaun's going to be able to do it on the field.
06:17And, you know, but at the same time, I just I can't sit here and tell folks that Shador Sanders
06:25has the inside track and he's the odds on favorite to win this starting job.
06:30Because I just don't believe that to be the case, number one.
06:34And number two, again, he's got to go earn that job.
06:37It's not going to get handed to him.
06:39But did you saw the Orlovsky stuff this week on ESPN, right?
06:44Yeah.
06:44Do you think that he hurt Ty Simpson?
06:47Because, man, there was that.
06:49And then we had Kalen DeBoer on.
06:50And he didn't really he was honest.
06:53I give him credit for, you know, not rubbing his nose in it or anything.
06:57But he was like, yeah, he's a coach's kid.
06:59Like he sounded like he didn't think he would be a good pick for the Browns at number six or
07:03anything like that.
07:04Did all that stuff this week just kind of be like, nope, not interested?
07:07Well, I mean, it didn't change my opinion because I wasn't interested to begin with.
07:12So, yeah.
07:14Tough talking, Daryl.
07:15No, I mean, it's six.
07:17I just don't think that that's worth it.
07:18And the metric I'm using is I'm looking at the options that could be there for them in 2027.
07:29And I'm sitting there saying, OK, do I want Ty Simpson or do I want Arch Manning?
07:34Do I want Ty Simpson or this other guy?
07:36Like, that's what I was doing.
07:39And my thought was I want the kid in 2027.
07:42And so that's why I'm not interested in Ty Simpson, because I think the kids in 2027 are going to
07:47be better than he is.
07:47And if you take Ty Simpson, you've now taken yourself out of 2027.
07:54You might say, well, OK, the Arizona Cardinals, they took quarterbacks in the first round back to back years.
07:59Yeah.
07:59And by the way, how's that worked out for them?
08:01Not very well.
08:02Also, too, the Browns took two quarterbacks last year.
08:05So you're telling me that Andrew Barry is going to have the luxury of setting four draft picks on fire
08:10for quarterbacks in consecutive years.
08:12And two of them are going to be first rounders like that.
08:15That's just not reality.
08:16OK, he's going to have to make a decision and take somebody in the first round.
08:20No question.
08:21I just think next year is going to be the year to do that wherever the Browns fall rather than
08:25this year with Ty Simpson.
08:27That's the that's the lens with which I'm looking at that.
08:30It's not about tough talking or hating the kid or whatever.
08:33I just think that the draft class next year is going to be better than he is.
08:37So but I, you know, I did listen to your interview with the boar.
08:41I, I will give coach credit for his candor in his honesty.
08:47So but yeah, I really wasn't all that interested in Ty Simpson at six or 24.
08:54Have you made up your mind about the strategy behind trying to fix offensive line and wide receiver with those
09:01two first picks in the order you would try to do it?
09:03Yeah, I probably knowing that Andrew Barry has a for sale sign most likely on that number six pick.
09:11And he might he's probably looking to move down a couple of spots.
09:14I kind of feel like what tackle is what you want to do first.
09:22This receiver class appears to be pretty good, especially at the top.
09:28And there's not a lot of separation in that that top group.
09:32And I think 24 would be the perfect spot then to go ahead and take a receiver.
09:37Also, they have the number 36 pick.
09:39Hey, you could always double down, whether it's going back to offensive line or going back to wide receiver.
09:47I don't think that that's what Andrew Barry is going to do.
09:49But I do feel like that might be an option there that you could, you know, get to at one
09:56of those positions with your first three picks.
09:59I said I might be interested in Caden Proctor at number 24.
10:02It was an unpopular thing to say.
10:05Why?
10:06Just because he went to Alabama?
10:10Yeah, I guess.
10:13Why do people still feel that way?
10:15Because I learned my lesson after Patrick Mahomes.
10:17I said I'm never going to do that again.
10:19Guys who went to colleges and saying like, oh, you've never seen a good Texas Tech quarterback.
10:25Well, obviously that's changed.
10:26And the first thing I got was who was the last really good Alabama offensive lineman in the NFL?
10:32Which, by the way, is a good question to ask considering, you know, Chris Samuel was a long time ago.
10:38But if a guy's good, a guy's good.
10:40I don't think that the school he goes to should really hurt you.
10:44Yeah.
10:45And he did start at left tackle.
10:49So I am, and I've had this conversation, even with Coach Riz, like, Andrew Berry believes that the tackle position
10:57is interchangeable.
10:58If you can play left, you can play right and vice versa.
11:01I disagree with that.
11:05And I don't think that the Browns have had a lot of success with that philosophy.
11:09I would rather, that's why I'm kind of thinking Freeling should be the guy that they pick because he's a
11:18true left tackle.
11:19Now, I don't know if that's at six, right?
11:22If they move down a couple of spots, he's probably still going to be there.
11:26And I'm thinking, you know, that would be the direction that Andrew should go.
11:34But I just, I would prefer that they go with a pure left tackle.
11:44You know, Malinoa's great, but played right tackle.
11:48And I just, I don't like the idea of moving a guy to left tackle.
11:55And again, I will admit, it's because I've watched the Browns try and do this in the past, and it's
12:01not worked very well.
12:02So, that is what is informing my opinion on that.
12:08That's not to say it can't be done.
12:10I just, I'm not subscribing to that philosophy because the Browns have not shown me it can work.
12:16Excellent.
12:17Daryl, if when the season starts, Miles Garrett was not on the Cleveland Browns, how stunned would you be?
12:23Well, now that they've done what they've done with the contract, I, no, I won't be stunned.
12:29Do I think they're going to trade him this year?
12:31No.
12:31Do I think they're setting it up to where they could trade him next year?
12:36Oh, yeah.
12:37I think that's definitely a possibility.
12:40But if they pulled the trigger on a trade later this summer, I wouldn't be stunned because of how they've
12:47reworked this contract.
12:48You know, it doesn't look like there's significant salary cap savings.
12:53I'm not buying what the Browns are selling in regards to the we're not trading him.
12:59Typically, the more vocal you are about not trading a player, that usually leads to a trade.
13:04That's just been my experience over the years.
13:07If I had a dollar for every time a team said, yeah, we're not going to trade him.
13:10And then they trade that player.
13:12So, I'm not going to rule it out.
13:15I had been downplaying it.
13:17I had been going after the national media and the podcasters that just would not stop about trading Miles Garrett.
13:25But now that they have altered this bonus structure the way they have and moving the payments back close to
13:33the season rather than doing it a week or two after the new league year,
13:41that smells to me like they're at least giving themselves the option to trade him and making it a little
13:48easier for them to do it.
13:50So, no, I would not be stunned if it happens, but I also don't think it's going to happen at
13:56least this summer, maybe next year.
13:58Do you think, real quick, what percent would you put that Miles Garrett finishes his career as a Cleveland Brown
14:03then?
14:07I'm going to say 50-50.
14:11I was convinced that he was going to, and then they did this with the contract, and that has changed
14:17my opinion.
14:18I think that there's an eject button there.
14:21Now, Miles does have the no trade clause.
14:23If he does get traded, it's going to be to a contender.
14:26That means that the picks the Browns are going to get probably aren't going to be as valuable, right?
14:31They're going to be in the probably 25-32 range.
14:36So, you know, I think that's where you have to ask for a third first-rounder just because of that.
14:43You know, you're not going to get, you know, top 10 picks out of that particular trade.
14:48So, certainly not like the Houston Texans thought they were going to get from the Cleveland Browns, right?
14:53And you see some of these other teams when they're giving up those picks.
14:59And so, yeah, I think that it's now 50-50 that he actually finishes his career now that that contract
15:05language has been altered.
15:07Daryl, thank you so much for the time.
15:09All the very best to you and yours.
15:11You take care of yourself.
15:12Bye-bye.
15:13You bet, guys.
15:13We'll talk to you next week.
15:15The Dangerous One, Daryl Ryder.
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