00:00We continue to wait to see what the Browns are going to do at quarterback,
00:02if they're going to roll it forward with the quarterbacks that they have.
00:06Well, Mel Kuyper was on the four-letter network this week,
00:09and the GOAT of all draft analysts was asked about
00:13whether the Browns should have a plan about Ty Simpson in this draft.
00:17The Jets have to be figuring out Ty Simpson.
00:19The Stewards have to figure out Ty Simpson.
00:21And now certainly Arizona does.
00:23They want to try to trade back in and get him.
00:25The Browns, by the way, need to figure out Ty Simpson as well.
00:28The Browns don't have to worry about Ty Simpson.
00:30They've got a better quarterback than Ty Simpson than Shador Sands.
00:32Don't go there.
00:33I believe the Browns need to figure out Ty Simpson.
00:36All right.
00:37It's officially getting to stalker levels of creepy with Mel Kuyper and Shador.
00:41I love his don't go there, though.
00:42That was really funny to me.
00:44Like, listen.
00:45Don't go there.
00:45Don't even go there.
00:46I feel like I got excited about what Shador did at the end of the season.
00:49I get that he's a part of this quarterback room.
00:52That's the part that I'm excited about.
00:54I want to see if he can translate playmaking into, one, more playmaking,
01:00and less mistake-making.
01:01I'm here for that part of this quarterback room.
01:05But when guys like Mel Kuyper, who is incredibly respected and who I have so much respect for,
01:13legitimately shoots down an honest conversation I think the Browns are having because of Shador,
01:17it is a little embarrassing.
01:19Like, this is where, like, the Shador folks giving no quarter ends up kind of just making you seem like
01:26fanboys
01:27instead of, like, objective adults who can kind of be reasonable about certain conversations.
01:31Well, so is Mel hanging on to what his draft was last year, or is he trying to, like, is
01:34this the updated version?
01:35Like, I think, first off, I think it's an almost impossible conversation to have.
01:39Like, do I think Shador is better than Ty Simpson?
01:40Yes, I do.
01:41For a lot of reasons that we can go into.
01:43I don't think Ty Simpson's played enough college football for me to even have him taken seriously, but...
01:47You mean four games against Missouri, Vanderbilt, and two other mid-SEC teams isn't enough for you?
01:53Yeah, right?
01:53But, like, I just, I don't know.
01:55I think it's such a hard convo to even start with to say definitively one way or another.
02:00I guess it would just be based off of, I guess, how high he always thought Shador could be.
02:06And the lack of how high you think Ty Simpson could be then.
02:09Like, if those two are married together, but it's worthy of a convo.
02:11Oh, no, so it's worthy of a convo.
02:14And what I think is interesting is, I guess Ty Simpson's just not on any of my draft boards, right?
02:19I've just, he's gotten the red dot from me because of the lack of experience.
02:23And, you know, like, the enticing idea here, I think Lance Zerline compared him to, like, Mac Jones.
02:28If that's the best I think you can be, and again, Mac's not a consistent starter to this date.
02:34I'd take him here to battle Shador for this job.
02:37I'm not giving up a second or third rounder for him, but I like Mac Jones in a vacuum,
02:40but I don't like him as a first round pick this year.
02:43Well, so what's the big deal with Ty Simpson, for instance?
02:45It's the idea that he has to take time, right?
02:46That's it.
02:47He's got to, maybe not this year, but it'd be years down the line.
02:50And maybe with enough reps and enough everything, he can morph into something.
02:53Well, if the convo that the Browns are having exclusively exists in a one-year window,
02:58because they're so focused on the 2027 draft,
03:01if you told me tomorrow, fate of the universe on the line,
03:03and I get to pick one quarterback between Shador Sanders and Ty Simpson to save the world,
03:08isn't that pretty obvious you're taking Shador Sanders then?
03:11Yeah, it's interesting because I think what people are going to say is
03:14Ty Simpson could be a first rounder this year.
03:17And so because of draft positioning, and everybody is pretty,
03:22we do get locked into the power of where you were drafted in the NFL,
03:26not even just us, organizations do it.
03:28Andrew Barry, if you have a first round grade three years ago,
03:32and you become a free agent, he's more likely to pick you up
03:35than if he had a third round grade on you three years ago.
03:38He loves those reclamation projects.
03:40Here's what I'm going to say, though.
03:41I think Shador was a second-round talent last year,
03:46meaning I could see him having an Andy Dalton-type arc
03:50of being a starter for a decade in the NFL
03:52and being good enough to consistently be in the playoff picture.
03:55I don't know that I feel that way about Ty Simpson,
03:58because I don't even want to say boom or bust.
04:01It just feels like boom is relative.
04:05Boom is like, hey, he's a serviceable starter.
04:08The bust is he's Josh Rosen.
04:11But he's also, again, he's working on such a different timeline.
04:14I mean, his is three years down the line.
04:15Maybe it morphs into something,
04:17but you have to give him the patience to do so.
04:19And again, the Browns don't have that same timeline to work with.
04:22If we're talking about right now,
04:24if you're choosing between Shador and then Ty Simpson,
04:27while thinking about the 2027 draft,
04:29I mean, Shador leaps and bounds better, in my opinion, as of right now.
04:32I think just based off experience,
04:34I would trust the body of work that Shador's had,
04:37being a starter for two different programs
04:39across four years in college football.
04:41And by the way, being a consistent starter in high school,
04:45which I don't know the high school.
04:46Everybody always talks about college experience.
04:48How much you started in high school
04:50also is a part of how NFL teams can evaluate you.
04:54Shador's got plenty of experience
04:56on both levels of football before the NFL.
04:59Ty Simpson has 15 games, albeit in a great program.
05:03He was a really good high school player, Ty Simpson was, though,
05:05because he was a five-star recruit.
05:06Like, he got a lot in high school, but it took years
05:08before he even did anything in Alabama.
05:10Yeah.
05:10He sat on the bench.
05:10That was three seasons.
05:11He just kind of hung out.
05:12And here's the other thing.
05:13I don't think there's one thing that Ty Simpson does
05:16at an elite level, which does speak to, by the way,
05:20the difference between a second-rounder and a first-rounder.
05:22Like, you want an elite arm talent.
05:24You want elite processing.
05:25You want elite accuracy.
05:28You want elite mobility, right?
05:30There's like five or six things.
05:31If you have an elite trait in this one factor,
05:34it automatically makes you a first-round grade,
05:36or at least makes you worthy of being a first-rounder.
05:38Ty doesn't have any of that.
05:39Good processor, but not a great processor.
05:42Still developing on that front.
05:44Good arm, not great arm.
05:47Had some accuracy issues at the end of the season,
05:50but we can haggle over what those were,
05:52but not necessarily an elite level of accuracy
05:56from the quarterback.
05:56Whereas, like, with Shador, I do have elite accuracy.
06:01That's not even something that even I'm just saying.
06:04It's something that was said about him coming out
06:06and that his teammates echoed.
06:08Mary Kay, we're talking about him.
06:10He led the FBS in completion percentage and accuracy.
06:13That's one of his traits.
06:14So I at least have something I can go,
06:17hey, Shador's got elite accuracy up to, like, 25-ish, 30 yards.
06:22I can at least build on that when you're kind of good at everything
06:27but maybe not great at any one specific thing.
06:30It really becomes tougher to say,
06:33all right, is Ty Simpson really going to be a starter in the NFL?
06:35Yeah, and I give Ty a little bit more on the shorter throws,
06:38but his deep balls are just erratic.
06:40It's one of those things.
06:42The hard part with Ty Simpson is I genuinely did like him early on in the year.
06:46It's just as you watched, and then he got injured,
06:48and then more things piled up.
06:49And then you watch the big games that he played in.
06:51How many – there was – later on in the season,
06:55there was one throw near the end zone that I just can't erase from my brain
06:59where it was not even in the right area code,
07:01and it just went right to the defender, and you're just like,
07:02this was – what were you even looking at?
07:05And, like, once he got – once Venables got in his head defensively,
07:08it just felt like everyone had the idea on him,
07:10and then it just – he never recovered.
07:11I also just really struggle – like, the whole line on Ty is,
07:16well, okay, we see the list here of players and their lack of experience in college football
07:22and just how few quarterbacks there are at this level that have had any modicum of success
07:28with that little of experience in college.
07:31So the answer is, well, sit him for at least a year.
07:34I don't know how that makes you any better.
07:37And I think this is always the struggle.
07:39Like, I don't know how to – like, if you played three years in the NFL,
07:42I understand how waiting for a year and adapting to the NFL might help you.
07:47If your problem is experience –
07:49Then you've got to play. You've got to get experience.
07:52There's no other way out of it other than that.
07:54Yeah, you've got to get experience.
07:55But, like, again, the whole point then is if the Browns are just working in 2026
07:59and we don't have this long runway, then Jador has got to be the answer there
08:02if you're going for the better quarterback to at least compete day one.
08:05And Ty Simpson, like, if you take him, that's –
08:07like, Daryl keeps going on this idea that you're, like, married to him
08:10and you're out of the 2027 class.
08:11I don't know that I necessarily buy that.
08:14But if you have Ty Simpson, like, you're not judging him off his rookie season
08:17because no one expects him to be anything.
08:20216-474-0092.
08:21A defensive, Mel Kuyper, saying, don't go there with Ty Simpson.
08:26I love the energy.
08:27That annoys me.
08:29The hairspray was at it.
08:29That's a grown man.
08:30That's a grown man.
08:31Don't be a simp, Mel.
08:32I mean, come on.
08:32I got a lot of love and respect for Mel Kuyper.
08:34Don't be a simp.
08:35He believes what he believes, and I like that he's not backing off of that.
08:38Now, there's a difference between belief –
08:40Man has been scouting for 30 years.
08:41And being in a cult.
08:43But he's got no – here's the thing on that, though.
08:45He's got no reason to be in a cult.
08:46He's got no reason to go as hard as he does for Shador.
08:48But he has a cultish level of belief in Shador.
08:50No, no, no.
08:51No, he's got a belief based off of 30 years of being, like,
08:54the number one draft guy to ever do it.
08:56Like, I –
08:56Or he's friends with Deion.
08:57Maybe his judgment is off.
08:59I don't know.
09:00You tell – oh, you think this is a Deion friendship play?
09:02Do I think that he knows the family?
09:04He went for three days – he went for three days on ESPN as hard as you possibly can.
09:08And he's continued on that.
09:08And Louis Riddick is a friend of the Sanders family.
09:10Not just because he's friends with Deion, though.
09:12Come on.
09:13You don't put your reputation and everything on the line because you're friends with somebody.
09:16I don't think Mel's reputation – although, if he continues to simp for Deion.
09:20You don't put yourself that are talking like this.
09:21Like, this – he put a lot on the line in going as hard as he has for Shador.
09:25Is he going to lose his job over this?
09:26Is this what's going to retire his ass?
09:27No.
09:28Because I don't think it's on the line.
09:28No, but it's one of those things that people will remember for the next 15, 20 years.
09:32Is it going to keep him out of the ESPN Hall of Fame?
09:35What was his – I mean, think about it.
09:37He's had how many different quarterback takes that we think about and kind of bring up to recall every now
09:41and again.
09:41And his legacy is just fine.
09:43His legacy is fine as far as us thinking about him with an impeccable 30-year stretch.
09:48But there's people like yourself that will be like, oh, he sold out for Deion.
09:50You don't have to do that.
09:51There's no reason for him to sell out for Deion.
09:53I think he cares so much about getting this stuff right.
09:55He would never let a friendship get in the way of that.
09:58There's no way.
09:59That'd be like you letting a friendship get in the way of your takes on the radio.
10:02You're not going to do that.
10:04That's insane.
10:06If you did, I'd feel – I would think less of you.
10:09I think Mel Kiper is.
10:112-1-6-4-7-4-00-9-2.
10:13I think he has a bias.
10:14I don't know why he has a bias.
10:16It's a little weird.
10:18It's a little weird at this point to simp this hard for Shador Sanders.
10:21You believed his statement that Shador is better than Ty Simpson right now.
10:23No, I have a different opinion based off actual reasons other than whatever trip he's on.
10:32I said it's specific stuff.
10:34Why I like one over the other.
10:36And he's just, no, don't even go there.
10:37Don't even go there.
10:39The don't even go there was weird.
10:40We can all admit that was weird.
10:41But I –
10:42I think you're underselling how weird that clip was.
10:46I don't know, man.
10:46I just think he's done this for so long.
10:48Like why –
10:49I don't know why this would be the one quarterback that he's like, oh, because I'm friends with the dad.
10:53I'm going to –
10:53I'm just going to go ahead and just say things?
10:55Like it just makes no sense.
10:56We don't know that he might not have other things.
10:58I think he genuinely believes it.
11:00And I think that's why he –
11:01I think he's looking at the world of like why aren't you guys seeing this?
11:04What are you guys missing that I'm seeing?
11:07And I think that's where he's living.
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