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00:02:53Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Bassan.
00:02:57Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago, our global viewers,
00:03:01and of course, our brothers and sisters in the Isles of Grenada.
00:03:05Yes, it's Thursday, one more day before the end of the week.
00:03:09And of course, unfortunately, we also had a road fatality this morning.
00:03:14Another young woman losing her life this morning along the M2 Ring Road in the Princess Tongue area, 21.
00:03:23One-year-old Nyori Ramnerine, who is originally from the Rio Claro area, of course,
00:03:28heading to the airport with her boyfriend when this tragedy occurred.
00:03:33So we'll be talking a little bit about that as the program wears on.
00:03:37And with us today is none other than acting ESB Ishmael Pitt from the Northern Division.
00:03:42Welcome, sir. How have you been?
00:03:44Not too bad, Mark. Thank you for having me. Good afternoon to you. Good afternoon, Trinidad and Tobago.
00:03:49Well, I'll return the sentiments. How have you been?
00:03:51I have. I've been so far, so good, you know.
00:03:55After the licks we got last night, we take care of...
00:03:57Yes, yes, yes. Don't remind me, Trinidad.
00:03:58It was a little bit painful.
00:04:00Don't remind me.
00:04:00But I know licks boys will bounce back.
00:04:02Of course, of course. The support must be both ways.
00:04:05Usually, you know, the term bandwagonists is because we only support when they are having those successful moments.
00:04:12But we need to show that level of support even in those hours of darkness, if you would describe it as such.
00:04:18Yes, truly. I think it's just a glitch, you know.
00:04:20Yes.
00:04:21But, you know, getting this a little more serious, on a serious side about this, you know, these road traffic accidents,
00:04:30young people losing their lives. We had a young lady who died yesterday.
00:04:34We had a number, a slew of accidents over the last long weekend, a few people dying, others being critically hurt.
00:04:43And then we had another young woman, just 19 years, well, sorry, just 21 years, you know, losing her life in another road fatality this morning.
00:04:53Yeah. Well, firstly, condolences to the family of the deceased.
00:04:58It's never a nice thing having to lose a loved one, you know, in such horrific circumstances.
00:05:05We will continue to go out and educate, edify, give tips, recommendations, suggestions, if you may, to our motoring public,
00:05:18and by extension, general users of the roadway, be it pedestrians and onlookers at that,
00:05:24in order to improve the level of safety and security on our nation's roadways.
00:05:29Not too long ago, the Transport Commissioner pledged his support, and I can tell you that support is, in fact, being realized.
00:05:37Not to say that it wasn't there before, but we have seen a tremendous increase in the amount of officers being deployed towards these joint operations.
00:05:48And, you know, for that, we are definitely grateful.
00:05:52But there's an aspect of it, apart from having this level of enforcement and this level of presence.
00:05:58And the aspect of it is the responsibility that we must take as drivers and, you know, average citizens,
00:06:05in order to preserve that type of safety that we are seeking to get.
00:06:08And if we don't have that responsibility being taken, if we don't adhere to all the road safety practices, rules, and all these things,
00:06:17then you're going to find that without prejudice to these incidents, you're going to find that we will have to be saying condolences,
00:06:25unfortunately, you know, for some days to come.
00:06:28So we need to get it right.
00:06:29We are not going to sit back and allow things to go along that trajectory.
00:06:34We are going to do all that is necessary, but we are saying that persons need to take some level of responsibility.
00:06:40Yes, you're right.
00:06:41You know, if we are to get this carnage on the roadways down to zero,
00:06:48we obviously, people need to observe the speed limit.
00:06:51Do not drink and drive.
00:06:53And there are other things that are distracting on their cell phones even.
00:06:56Exactly.
00:06:57And those are the things that you all need to buck up on, you know.
00:07:01If you see a friend doing it, or your mother, your father, your sister, your brother,
00:07:04it's important because we don't want that for anybody else.
00:07:09So we shouldn't, you know what I mean?
00:07:10Of course.
00:07:11I think, you know, it goes across the board.
00:07:15And you, as a motorist, a driver, have to be driving for yourself and others on the roadways.
00:07:22Indeed.
00:07:23And I know there are a lot of signage, there are a lot of business places, you know,
00:07:29corporate Chinada, generally speaking, have been on board in terms of having this level of signage placed
00:07:35to suggest that, you know, buckle up your expected home and arrive alive.
00:07:41Yes.
00:07:42Drinking and driving kills our friendship.
00:07:44And all these different means by which we are reaching out to members of the public
00:07:50in order to reinforce the importance of road safety.
00:07:55Yeah?
00:07:55Yeah.
00:07:56All right.
00:07:56Well, you know, earlier we spoke about Naomi Ramnerine,
00:08:01who died in this accident this morning along the M2 Ring Road in Princeton.
00:08:04And videographer Dexter Phillip spoke with the family of Ms. Ramnerine at the accident scene.
00:08:12The family of Ms. Ramnerine at the accident scene was very fun to go to the airport.
00:08:35And we asked the family of Ms. Ramnerine at the accident scene.
00:08:40The boy was driving on the car.
00:08:42And his stepmother was in the car, behind the car.
00:08:47And what he said, he was driving in the car and this father was driving on his car.
00:08:55And he was already blowing in the car and the father wasn't pulling away, so he pulled back
00:09:00on the car in the accident.
00:09:02and he pulled back on the back one hand.
00:09:14I understand if the guy was drunk.
00:09:18I understand the guy was drunk.
00:09:22So that is Ms. Ram Narayan De Nairomi who unfortunately died in the accident
00:09:30in the vehicle that her boyfriend was driving. And if you listen to the father ESP
00:09:34Pitt, he said that based on his understanding
00:09:38of course, they were proceeding along the roadway in one direction
00:09:42and a vehicle was coming in that direction on the wrong side of the roadway.
00:09:46And he attempted to pull away from the said vehicle and that said
00:09:50vehicle pulled back the other way leading to a head on collision
00:09:54of course and his father implying or claiming that
00:09:58the other drivers seem to have been
00:10:00allegedly intoxicated.
00:10:02Yeah. Well, you know, at this point
00:10:04in time, an investigation
00:10:06is ongoing and
00:10:08you know, it's always prudent that we
00:10:10allow that process to take its
00:10:12natural course. We know that persons will have
00:10:14information, they will get information
00:10:16along the way and we would ask that
00:10:18those who have information
00:10:20regarding this incident to please provide it
00:10:22to the investigator
00:10:24so that he can come to a conclusion
00:10:26and one that, if necessary,
00:10:30hold persons to account.
00:10:32It's certainly very, very heart-wrenching.
00:10:34You know, I think, and the father's,
00:10:36the father, that is his only daughter,
00:10:38based on his interview
00:10:40and from his previous marriage
00:10:42and he has several sons
00:10:44and even her stepmother was really broken
00:10:48up about it and I can imagine,
00:10:50you know, losing a very young child
00:10:53at that age.
00:10:54Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:55You know, just like yesterday,
00:10:56the 19-year-old who died in a crash
00:10:58in Port of Spain early in the morning.
00:11:00Yeah.
00:11:01There were actually a group of employees
00:11:03from the Island Chill in One Woodbrook
00:11:06and I know that the company sent out a release
00:11:11indicating such yesterday
00:11:14and, of course, they were closed for business
00:11:17because of that unfortunate incident
00:11:19and, again, we want to offer our sympathies
00:11:23and condolences to the families of those persons
00:11:27who have lost their loved ones
00:11:29over the last couple of days
00:11:31due to road traffic accidents.
00:11:33Yeah.
00:11:34And we are asking that these persons
00:11:37don't lose their lives in vain.
00:11:40Let us look on as a nation
00:11:42and learn from the errors
00:11:46and I'm seeing it without prejudice
00:11:48because in an accident at times,
00:11:50you know, it's nothing intentional.
00:11:54We err, but it's important that we learn
00:11:59and we progress and we understand
00:12:01that we need to be conscious,
00:12:02we need to be aware,
00:12:03and we need to take that level of responsibility.
00:12:05Yeah.
00:12:06Well said.
00:12:07I couldn't have said it better.
00:12:08Yes, people.
00:12:09Moving on, of course,
00:12:11Trinidad and Tobago police released today
00:12:14five held two firearms
00:12:16and quantities of ammunition and narcotics
00:12:18seized in state of emergency operations
00:12:20and I think we might have the photo
00:12:23of the firearm, right?
00:12:27You can see an AR-15,
00:12:29one of the preferred choices for criminals
00:12:32that was found by the Tobago division
00:12:35of the gang intelligence unit
00:12:37conducting an exercise between 315 and 6 on Tuesday
00:12:41during the, which they proceeded to a hotel
00:12:42at Angersville.
00:12:43A search of the compound was conducted,
00:12:45which resulted in the discovery
00:12:46of one AR-15 loaded with a magazine
00:12:49containing two rungs of ammunition.
00:12:52There was also a person arrested
00:12:54in an unrelated incident in Moriah
00:12:56on a report of rape.
00:12:58And there were also other arrests made
00:13:02in teams across the Eastern Division
00:13:05and also in the Bamboo Settlement No. 2 Division
00:13:08where a person was held
00:13:09with a loaded revolver
00:13:12and two rungs of ammunition.
00:13:14And there were a couple other exercises
00:13:16where persons were held
00:13:17with quantities of cannabis and ammunition
00:13:22and in the Central Division officers
00:13:24arrested a 27-year-old woman
00:13:26for the possession of a quantity of cannabis
00:13:28and $24,900 in cash.
00:13:31Yes.
00:13:32We will say that policing
00:13:34is not a destination,
00:13:35it's a process,
00:13:36meaning to say that you don't ever reach,
00:13:39you have measures of success along the way.
00:13:42And, you know, we want to thank the officers
00:13:45first and foremost
00:13:46for their sense of diligence and commitment
00:13:49and we would always and must not
00:13:51take away from the fact
00:13:54that John Public played a significant role
00:13:57in these fines and these successes.
00:13:59So, again, hats off to the officers involved
00:14:02and thank you very much for the persons
00:14:04who offered the information,
00:14:06offered the intelligence
00:14:07in order that we reach this point of success.
00:14:09That's a high-powered weapon there.
00:14:11Thankfully they found it
00:14:13before anybody could have used it
00:14:15to inflict any damage on persons.
00:14:17Exactly.
00:14:18Exactly.
00:14:19All right.
00:14:20We're going to move on
00:14:22to our state of emergency update.
00:14:24It's day 49.
00:14:26Let's take a look at the figures.
00:14:27Number of operations.
00:14:303,607.
00:14:33Target priority offenders.
00:14:341,353.
00:14:36Searches conducted.
00:14:3823,041.
00:14:40Traffic operations.
00:14:4232,284.
00:14:44Total persons arrested.
00:14:451,545.
00:14:47Traffic offenses detected.
00:14:5012,193.
00:14:53Firearms recovered.
00:14:5552 pistols.
00:14:5628 revolvers.
00:14:5713 shotguns.
00:14:5914 rifles and 3 air rifles.
00:15:02680 rounds of 9mm ammunition recovered.
00:15:0682 rounds of 12 gauge.
00:15:0850 rounds of .380.
00:15:10345 rounds of 5.56.
00:15:1380 rounds of .38.
00:15:1554 rounds of .40.
00:15:177 rounds of .357.
00:15:2047 rounds of .45.
00:15:22And 48 rounds of 7.62.
00:15:25Dangerous drugs cease.
00:15:28221,524.38 grams of marijuana.
00:15:337,005.63 grams of cocaine.
00:15:371,032 STC pills.
00:15:40And 15 grams of molly.
00:15:45So the red is representative of an increase.
00:15:49Yes.
00:15:50Where you see like 28 revolvers from perhaps from 26 or 24 yesterday.
00:15:55There was 13 rifles yesterday.
00:15:57Now it's 14.
00:15:58There were lesser wrongs.
00:15:59There will be 12 gauge now.
00:16:00There are more.
00:16:01So certainly when we show that rising, you know, in recovery of certain firearms or ammunition,
00:16:09it gives you an indication of the police's work across the island.
00:16:14Well, what I'm recognizing, Mark, is that in terms of being able to manage time and also highlight the levels of successes.
00:16:23As time progresses, it means to see that we may have to consider the duration of the show if we are to show the extent of the successes coming out of the SOE operations.
00:16:34Yes.
00:16:35But again, hats off.
00:16:36And again, we are utilizing this particular tool in order to be much more robust, much more effective regarding our ability to recover firearms, ammunition, drugs, and other illegal items off the street.
00:16:50It has also enhanced our ability to target persons of interest, priority offenders, and put a significant dent regarding gang-related activities.
00:16:58Yes, certainly.
00:16:59And I think that's what the intent of this SOE is to do.
00:17:02Indeed.
00:17:03Is to curb that kind of gang-related activity involving drug running, gun running, and of course, homicides.
00:17:11And when we look back at these statistics over the last couple of years, you will have seen that a huge chunk of those homicides, in most cases, tend to be gang-related.
00:17:24That is absolutely correct.
00:17:26We do agree that we have a gang issue.
00:17:29And I'm glad that we have been placed in a position where we are able now to treat it head-on, to treat it in an effective way, and to be able to sustain our efforts.
00:17:40You are indeed correct.
00:17:41Yeah.
00:17:42It's important that we continue to stifle that kind of illicit activity because, as you said, those gangs have morphed over the years.
00:17:51Correct.
00:17:52And we've also seen an increase in gangs over the years, increase in membership in many of these gangs, which have really pushed the country to levels of seeing over 600 murders a year.
00:18:04Yeah.
00:18:05Yeah.
00:18:06And, you know, as an organization, we are cheating with it from the traditional approach, investigations, arrests, bring to account.
00:18:15But we are also looking at the aspect of trying to understand why, in the first instance, would people want to involve themselves in gangs.
00:18:22And we are seeking to have that level of support regarding those persons who are research-minded in order to give us that type of data.
00:18:33Why are people seeking to go towards a life of gang activities as opposed to going through what we will call the societal expected and, you know, what we will call directed norms of educating yourself, getting a job, working towards whatever you have in terms of your ambitions?
00:18:57Yeah?
00:18:58Yeah.
00:18:59So it means now going deeper and having an understanding and qualitative adapt in terms of what is in the minds of our youths and from the aspect of social intervention, what can we do to divert and afford that preventative measure?
00:19:16Certainly there's a lot of socio-economic and other factors that comes into play there when you ask that question of why are persons, you know, they have this allure, this fascination to join a gang.
00:19:31And, of course, we can sit here and talk about that for the rest of the afternoon.
00:19:34Yeah.
00:19:35But nevertheless, we have to move on for now.
00:19:37All right.
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00:22:04Mary has bills to pay and takes a chance parking in front of the building at the no parking sign.
00:22:11Mary returns to her car and this is what happens.
00:22:15Mary decides to call when she's five minutes away to let her daughter know that she is close by.
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00:23:20I'm your host Mark.
00:23:21I'm joined today by acting ESPH market of the Northern Division and just some housekeeping
00:23:26items.
00:23:27Of course, we want to remind you of two police town meetings going to be occurring in less
00:23:31than an hour.
00:23:32There's one today at 6pm at the Gasparillo Secondary School in Gasparillo.
00:23:37Come out and speak with the officers of your district.
00:23:39They want to hear from you.
00:23:40And then there's also at the same time today, a town meeting in the central
00:23:46division in the Karani area.
00:23:48And that's at 6 at the Vishnu Boys Hindu College, Old Southern Main Road, Karani.
00:23:54So if you have any questions, any suggestions to make your community or area safer, that
00:24:00is the place to be and have a conversation with the officers.
00:24:04All right.
00:24:05I think we have a caller on the line.
00:24:07Caller, good evening and welcome to be on the tape.
00:24:10Hello.
00:24:11Good afternoon, Mr. Basantan, officer of it.
00:24:14Afternoon, sir.
00:24:15Good day.
00:24:16Good day to you guys.
00:24:17Hope all is well.
00:24:18I'm actually now tuning into the program.
00:24:21So just giving a general contribution.
00:24:23You know, as a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago, you know, I guess the most I could say is,
00:24:31you know, just, you know, hoping for a better country.
00:24:34I've been watching this show for some time.
00:24:36I think we could all agree a lot of what we see and we hear on a daily basis.
00:24:42We prefer it not to be a reality of our great country with a lot of potential.
00:24:49So, and you know, with the, you know, officers say at times, you know, the police are the people
00:24:56and the people are the police.
00:24:57I guess I would also extend that, not just limited to officers, but I would say our leaders
00:25:02are the people and the people are leaders.
00:25:05And when it comes to like rules and guidelines to maintain happiness and equality for all.
00:25:13If the rule is good for some, I think it should be good for all.
00:25:16Yeah.
00:25:17So it's just a general statement.
00:25:18Keep up the good work of officer Fitz.
00:25:20I mean, just from your professional presentation, I showed you a lot of kids that would look
00:25:26up to your professionalism and even you too much of a sense.
00:25:29That's one of the reasons why we watch you show, to see what characteristics we could aspire
00:25:35towards.
00:25:36So keep up the good work guys sincerely.
00:25:38And as a citizen here, just hoping for a better country, equality first.
00:25:43Yeah.
00:25:44Thank you, sir.
00:25:45Thank you so kindly.
00:25:46Thank you very much.
00:25:47Yeah.
00:25:48So he spoke about, and thank you, Kola, for the kind compliment.
00:25:52The people are the police.
00:25:54The police are the people.
00:25:55You know, that was said by Robert Peel, who is said to be the founder of modern policing.
00:26:00Yes.
00:26:01And, you know, he spoke about in terms of equality in the eyes of the law, where nobody is seen
00:26:08as bigger and persons are seen as smaller or there is no senior or junior partner.
00:26:13If you do something wrong, you are dealt with in the same way as if, you know, you are the
00:26:18highest office in the land or what we will call, you know, a modest worker.
00:26:23And, you know, that's very important.
00:26:25It's one of the highlights of a democratic society and one that values and cherishes the rule of law.
00:26:32Yeah.
00:26:33I think one of the characteristics he probably don't know you have is that you could sing well.
00:26:37And before the year is done, of course, we're going to hear that Christmas car that you promised.
00:26:42Well, I can probably give an indication as to what this song would suggest.
00:26:48And if we had to maintain the trajectory, Mark, of the SOE and the positive directions that it is going in
00:26:55and, you know, the amount of successes.
00:26:57And I mentioned so many before, and I know that you were reading and you had to drink some water
00:27:01because the amount of information that was there.
00:27:03Yeah.
00:27:04But even when we look at our murders, Mark, there's something that is so significant.
00:27:10And, you know, when we are on the negative end of the spectrum, it is highlighted.
00:27:16And also I'm seeing that if things are going in a positive direction, we also need to highlight it as well.
00:27:22So in November of 2015, we recorded 19 murders.
00:27:28And that, up to last month, that was the lowest for 10 years.
00:27:37Right.
00:27:38Now, we have not been able to go under 19, but now we have reached August having 22 murders,
00:27:44which comes only second to that 19 that occurred 10 years ago in 2015, November of 2015.
00:27:52And that is significant.
00:27:54Now, it did not happen overnight.
00:27:57We didn't just wake up one morning and things turned around.
00:28:00It meant that a lot of hard work had to go into that.
00:28:04And the work is not limited, of course, to the police service as much as we have a significant role to play.
00:28:10You know, there are members of our society, you know, both administratively and actually operationally,
00:28:17who are doing a lot of work to ensure that, you know, we're reaching a positive place.
00:28:22And I'm saying that as well, not to just respond to your invitation for me to sing, but also the caller spoke of hope.
00:28:29You know, and I'm saying that it's not a matter of hope.
00:28:33It's going to be a matter of fact that the country is going to realize that success that, you know, every citizen, every right thinking citizen deserves.
00:28:42All right.
00:28:43I think we have another caller on the line.
00:28:44Caller, good evening, welcome to be on the tape.
00:28:47Good afternoon, Mr. Basant and ASP Pitt.
00:28:51Afternoon, sir.
00:28:52Good day.
00:28:53Right, Mark.
00:28:54This one is for you.
00:28:56I'm observing your show.
00:28:59Voice of the people.
00:29:02I notice up to now, south of the county bridge, you ain't coming.
00:29:06Separia, Penal, Garbolo, all these places we have voices to, you know, Mark.
00:29:16Yeah, so when you come down, come down, don't stay up in the north and in the east.
00:29:22Come down in the south, we have, as I say, Gasparillo, Separia, Penal.
00:29:28Come down.
00:29:29And we want to hear you, and you could get voices from these places too.
00:29:34And go on with that.
00:29:36Well, Kuala, I have to tell you that it's a methodical movement.
00:29:41So we moved the east-west corridor, we went to central, and I'm actually going to San Fernando next week.
00:29:49So if you are around and you can find me in San Fernando, by all means, I'm willing to listen to you.
00:29:54And of course, we'll move deeper south as we progress.
00:29:57So look out for us.
00:29:58We are moving caravan, voice of the people.
00:30:01Wow.
00:30:02A solid back lift there, Mark.
00:30:04You remind me it's quite synonymous, yeah, of Nicholas Puran.
00:30:08Yeah?
00:30:09You could bat.
00:30:10Excellent.
00:30:11So you want me to sing, and I am telling you, you could bat.
00:30:13Good.
00:30:14Very good.
00:30:15All right.
00:30:16We have another caller in line.
00:30:17Caller, good evening.
00:30:18Welcome to me on the tier.
00:30:19Good afternoon, Mark.
00:30:20I trust that you are hearing me clearly, sir.
00:30:25Sorry?
00:30:26Yes, we are.
00:30:27Go ahead.
00:30:28Okay.
00:30:29Now, I'm a simple fool who called yesterday and put out that challenge to you.
00:30:34I don't know if you would take up the challenge.
00:30:55Well, I did hear you clearly.
00:30:58I did hear you clearly.
00:30:59I don't know if it was maybe a problem that persons on the network would not have heard
00:31:05you clearly.
00:31:06But I did hear you clearly.
00:31:07I am cognizant of your concern as it pertains to the noise pollution.
00:31:14And obviously, we're going to look into it.
00:31:18It's nothing that I can look into overnight.
00:31:20It takes some time to go through, look at the statistics and numbers and so on.
00:31:24And get active persons involved to collate that information.
00:31:29So, don't worry.
00:31:30I'll check into it.
00:31:31Do you have another caller on the line?
00:31:33Caller, good evening and welcome to be on the tier.
00:31:36Hello, good evening.
00:31:37Good evening.
00:31:38So, go ahead.
00:31:39You're live.
00:31:40Well, thank you very much for taking the call.
00:31:43So, two things.
00:31:45Well, I have a couple but I will shorten it as much as I can.
00:31:50So, yes, they have a problem with youth and how they operate right now.
00:31:55They're talking about solutions.
00:31:57Suggestion is to probably go to the university and get some kind of research going.
00:32:04Yes.
00:32:05And by using the university resources to probably do interviews with young offenders and probably see where they mine at and why they mine in that state.
00:32:18So, probably some research could be done.
00:32:21Secondly, I would ask for government people who are listening to give Popal Shabadi some more support, you know, because he's doing some work there and I'm doing some resources.
00:32:36I plan to join him shortly and I am making a request to offer some more resources to Mr. Shabadi, the Popal Shabadi.
00:32:47So, I will end the answer. Thank you very much.
00:32:51Yeah.
00:32:52Thanks a lot, Caller.
00:32:53Thank you so much.
00:32:54You raised a very important, the first point.
00:32:56Yeah.
00:32:57About doing research, speaking to these young offenders, to get a sense of where they are, what would have propelled them to get into a life of crime, to better understand their psychological and mental.
00:33:08Yes.
00:33:09So that going forward, it will act as a lesson to others and, you know, I guess by that research we can find the causative factors.
00:33:17Of course.
00:33:18And we need to find the causative factors.
00:33:20That is of paramount importance.
00:33:22Else we will continue to be treated with the symptoms.
00:33:25So, you're mining a saw and you don't know what is contributing to the saw in the first place.
00:33:29Yeah.
00:33:30So, totally agree, Caller.
00:33:32He also mentioned Corporal Shabadi and it's no secret that Corporal Shabadi is one of the stalwarts regarding our youth group, youth club for that matter.
00:33:44And, you know, he has been doing a tremendous job over the years.
00:33:48And when we look at our youth clubs, our youth clubs are seeking to have that type of intervention.
00:33:54Yeah.
00:33:55That secondary crime management in terms of being able now to touch the minds of the youths and impact it in a positive way.
00:34:03So that their trajectory is one that is positive and it's in alignment with societal goals to the extent that tomorrow they can become positive citizens.
00:34:15They can become productive citizens.
00:34:17They can become citizens who contribute towards Shenandoah and Tobago.
00:34:21As opposed to those now who contribute towards us having to spend money in areas where, you know, we could be doing that or spending that money in what we would call probably other more productive ways.
00:34:37We now have to spend it along issues of fighting crime and treating with issues of security and issues of safety.
00:34:47So, I'm saying all I to say is that it costs as well.
00:34:50It costs when persons go in that direction of crime.
00:34:53It costs us because now we have to treat with all these issues and it comes at an expense.
00:34:59And, you know, people at times they don't understand that level of impact, you know?
00:35:04Yeah.
00:35:05Yeah.
00:35:06They don't understand that level of impact.
00:35:07Right, right.
00:35:08All right.
00:35:09We have another call on the line.
00:35:10Call on good evening.
00:35:11Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
00:35:12Good afternoon, officer.
00:35:13Good afternoon, man.
00:35:14Good afternoon, sir.
00:35:15Yeah.
00:35:16Yeah.
00:35:17But I want you to do my little favor, please, sir.
00:35:19Sure.
00:35:20Yeah.
00:35:21I want you to personally look at the traffic light by 6th Avenue in Barataria.
00:35:25The one that's running from east, from north to south.
00:35:29I want you to know if they can make that as it was a long time.
00:35:32The traffic has turned from on 6th Avenue and go down 5th Street.
00:35:36I want to stop that turn because it's cause real damn session on the both sides and school opening next week.
00:35:42If the traffic could go down and make a block, it's nothing to make a block and it's easy enough for real lots of traffic jam.
00:35:48Traffic just back all up on the main road in the morning from that particular corner.
00:35:52That's all the traffic.
00:35:54It would be nice if all the traffic by 6th Avenue could run straight.
00:35:57Nothing turning.
00:35:58Right.
00:35:59So no turning at all.
00:36:00The only thing could turn is the police nothing on the bus route.
00:36:02Other than that, let the traffic go straight from east to west and straight from north to south.
00:36:07Take a good look at the trimmer and see what could be done.
00:36:09Thank you, my brother.
00:36:10Yeah.
00:36:11All right.
00:36:12So we're going to take a short break and while we get back, Kuala, yes, Pipit will respond.
00:36:17My story is an alto story.
00:36:33I really don't like this kid was terrible.
00:36:36But in a year time, I did at that level one.
00:36:39I completed.
00:36:40What?
00:36:41That was so, that was like a dream.
00:36:42In alto for a long while, I'm not lying.
00:36:44In alto, I jump out.
00:36:45I call me challenge.
00:36:46It was hard, but I fight still.
00:36:48I started to feel nice.
00:36:49I started to feel sweet about what I was asking.
00:36:52Before Alta, I was so nervous, never understand a lot of things.
00:36:56Alta is a nice place to learn.
00:36:58Like if any student in this program made a mistake or the other students will tune and help out the best students.
00:37:06The teachers are very wonderful, which is one thing I love.
00:37:09The next thing I love about it, it's free.
00:37:11You can't study what a person is making, the perception of a person.
00:37:15You have to focus on what you want.
00:37:17I am enjoying every moment in Alta.
00:37:20Today now, I can read, I can write, I can spell.
00:37:25Get into Alta, so you can write your story.
00:37:28708-1990
00:37:31Go sona!
00:37:33I come in!
00:37:34I don't give me no attitude there.
00:37:36You have shea na manners, boy.
00:37:38Hmm.
00:37:39I wish I had your touch, boy.
00:37:41You have to groom them.
00:37:42First, you have to target them.
00:37:44Scope them out.
00:37:46See if they have low self-esteem.
00:37:48Family problems, you know?
00:37:49Then you move in and gain the trust.
00:37:53I like your glasses.
00:37:54After that, you feel a need.
00:37:56Some of them like nice things like fancy phones, hairdos, clothes, food.
00:38:01They have ones who only looking for somebody to care and listen to the problems.
00:38:06You feel me?
00:38:07What's important though?
00:38:08You have to isolate them from the people.
00:38:12Let them believe it's all about you and them.
00:38:16Forget it.
00:38:17I care about you.
00:38:18Then you'll get through.
00:38:19Nice, nice.
00:38:20Look one ready.
00:38:21Try a ting now.
00:38:22A message from the counter-trafficking unit of the Ministry of National Security.
00:38:35The Ministry of National Security.
00:38:36Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
00:38:37I'm your host, Mark Bassan.
00:38:38I'm joined today by acting ESP Ishmael Pitt of the Northern Division.
00:38:54And, you know, we talk about home invasions and so on, robberies.
00:39:01And, you know, family from the McLean-Klaxon Bay area faced some terror.
00:39:08I believe yesterday morning, bandits, at least four armed bandits, attacking the family,
00:39:16chopping them, beating them about their head while they were in the sanctity of their
00:39:21home run, sacking the house, stealing foreign and local currency money and also jewelry from
00:39:30the family they see breaking the door and so on, getting into their homes.
00:39:35And I imagine they are quite traumatized by this incident.
00:39:40Yes, Pippet.
00:39:41Yes, and we know home invasion, it invades your privacy.
00:39:46You know, a man's house is his castle.
00:39:50This is a common statement.
00:39:52When someone enters that space, you know, there's a trauma that is attached to it,
00:39:57that really and truly, which cannot express what an individual or group of individuals
00:40:03going through that type of situation will be feeling at this point in time.
00:40:07So we are asking anyone with information regarding this incident to please communicate
00:40:12with the nearest police station, 999-555-800-TIPS, so that we can get that information now
00:40:19and qualify it into evidence to bring these persons to account.
00:40:23Someone who is invading someone's home, I mean, yes, there are other serious crimes,
00:40:28and we know that we are plagued with other issues, but there is something about home invasions
00:40:35that it just doesn't sit well at all, at all, at all, at all.
00:40:38Yeah, you're right.
00:40:39And, you know, that photo was just good to see Dexter Phillip from the Express.
00:40:44I know we had to respond to the last call. I apologize, Pippet.
00:40:47Yes, Pippet, go ahead.
00:40:49Right, well, he spoke about the traffic lights at 6th Avenue, Barataria,
00:40:52and he's suggesting, he's recommending that instead of persons being able to turn off,
00:40:57that they go straight ahead. He's saying that the turnoff in itself is contributing to a buildup in traffic.
00:41:07And, caller, your recommendation, suggestion, it will be advanced,
00:41:11and I will go and look at what you are describing there to see if it is consistent.
00:41:18Notwithstanding that, though, your recommendation will be passed on.
00:41:21And this is very good. And this is the significance of programs like this,
00:41:24where people, and even the town meetings that, you know, we hold regularly,
00:41:29and it's for persons to be able to pass on bits of information to us
00:41:34in order that we improve your standard of living,
00:41:37we improve the levels of safety and security within your area.
00:41:40And this, indeed, could be a safety issue, as much as it's also a convenience issue, right?
00:41:47So, nonetheless, we will treat with it appropriately.
00:41:50All right, I think we have another caller on the line.
00:41:53Caller, good evening, and welcome to be on the tape.
00:41:56Good afternoon, Officer and Ma.
00:41:59Good afternoon, ma'am.
00:42:00Officer Pitt. Yes, ma'am.
00:42:01I'm really, really concerned about the number of pistols, revolvers, rifles,
00:42:06and all those things that have been happening with this SOE.
00:42:09And I hope that when Cessabee has this finished, that they have to continue,
00:42:14because I don't know some of these places, where they're coming from.
00:42:17I hope that those guns that are coming in through the legal process,
00:42:21they have proper standards that are working to prevent some of them from coming in
00:42:27and the illegal areas, they have to do something about that.
00:42:29That's my first point.
00:42:30My second point is, some persons are concerned about the police officers
00:42:34who are going to be in different schools.
00:42:37They are concerned about whether they should be armed or not.
00:42:40What do you think about that?
00:42:41Because, in my opinion, I feel, when people know that they're not armed,
00:42:45they will take a chance and do what they want and not say any children,
00:42:48but I don't know who.
00:42:50So, what about us?
00:42:52My third point is, that the accidents.
00:42:56I'm tired of talking about us.
00:42:57Too many accidents.
00:42:59Too many accidents.
00:43:00And when these people are caught over the drink or whatever,
00:43:06something special should be done to these people.
00:43:08Too many accidents and too many persons losing their lives.
00:43:11I'm really concerned about that.
00:43:13Be safe, all of you.
00:43:15Thank you very, very much.
00:43:17Thank you very much, ma'am.
00:43:19Right.
00:43:20So, she spoke of the number of pistols and heavy firearms that have been seized,
00:43:26you know, and there's a high level of concern attached to it.
00:43:29And, ma'am, we share your concern, not necessarily with what was seized already,
00:43:34but it's an indication as to what could also be out there.
00:43:37And you also alluded to the fact that, you know, it has to be coming from somewhere.
00:43:42Yeah.
00:43:43So, we know we have an issue in terms of even treating with our borders.
00:43:48And I can tell you that, you know, as we speak, there are a lot of measures that are being put in place in order to tighten up.
00:43:54Regarding the officers at schools and whether they should be armed or not, you know, a lot of planning went into the decision to put officers at schools.
00:44:09And I am certain that the appropriate directives will be given regarding whether those officers will be armed or not.
00:44:19And it will be strictly within the context of ensuring that our school children are safe, the staff at the schools are safe, and also the officers are safe.
00:44:32I know there will always be concerns, but we must take everything into consideration, both internally and externally, in terms of making those decisions.
00:44:42So, as I said, it's not just a knee-jerk reaction. A lot of planning would have gone into that.
00:44:49So, it's a case of waiting and looking at the decision that will be taken where that is concerned.
00:44:57In terms of the accidents, and again, we share your concern in terms of the accidents, and she mentioned the persons drinking and driving, and you mentioned it as well, Mark.
00:45:09And we know that, you know, it's one of the areas that contribute to accidents that, you know, I think almost every citizen could relate to in terms of observing persons,
00:45:19the way they behave and their lack of control in terms of their motor skills when they are under the influence of alcohol.
00:45:26Yes, there are other contributors, you know, not necessarily having enough sleep.
00:45:31Some persons fall asleep at the wheel, exceeding the speed limit, driving and utilizing cell phones,
00:45:38and even in terms of how we could mitigate not wearing seat belts and ensuring that our tires are appropriate, considering our present weather conditions and so on.
00:45:50So, there are a number of issues that impact road safety, and we are saying that once we take them holistically,
00:45:56and we adhere to them robustly, that the road carnage on our nation's roadway is going to decrease.
00:46:03All right.
00:46:04Call on hold.
00:46:05Call on hold.
00:46:06Call on hold.
00:46:07Call on hold.
00:46:08Good evening.
00:46:09Welcome to Beyond the Chip.
00:46:10Yes, good evening.
00:46:11Yes, call on hold.
00:46:12Go ahead.
00:46:13We are hearing you.
00:46:14Yes, gentlemen.
00:46:15Good afternoon.
00:46:16I am calling due to certain observations that I have made in the past.
00:46:18Now, there is a thing with the traffic lights at the corner of Queen, not Queen, the corner of Henry and Park Street that people do not observe,
00:46:26which could cause a lot of accidents most of the time.
00:46:31Condolences to the family that have a young lady that died.
00:46:34However, there are people who do not know the regulations with respect to flashing red and flashing yellow.
00:46:44And what I would like Mr. Chip to do the next time he is on Beyond the Chip is to walk with that document and explain to the people the meaning and the regulations concerning the flashing yellow and the flashing red light.
00:47:02One more thing.
00:47:04Mr. Bassan, this one is for you.
00:47:07380 and not 380, please.
00:47:12O and 0 is two different things.
00:47:14Numbers and records are two different things.
00:47:16Not trying to put your point in, but that is my contribution.
00:47:21Thank you so much, Claude.
00:47:23Thank you very much, sir.
00:47:24So, he mentioned the traffic lights at Henry Street.
00:47:28And he said that a lot of persons, they probably treat it as though it is non-existent because it is either flashing yellow or flashing red.
00:47:37And, you know, the fact of the matter is persons are of the view that the yellow means to proceed.
00:47:46The yellow really means to stop, eh?
00:47:49Or prepare to stop.
00:47:50Yeah.
00:47:51Right?
00:47:52And if it is flashing, prepare to stop.
00:47:54If it is flashing red, stop.
00:47:57You know?
00:47:58So, I agree with the caller that it is a case of continuing to edify and educate persons where that is concerned.
00:48:06So, I will refer to the literature and probably I will go verbatim in terms of exactly what it dictates.
00:48:14Right.
00:48:15Okay.
00:48:16Let's take a short break and when we get back, we'll have more.
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00:49:42and I am proud to say that I am on board with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
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00:50:29Welcome back to Beyond the TF, I am your host Mark Bussan, joined today by Acting ASP Ishmael
00:50:49Pitt of the Northern Division.
00:50:52Yep, we have a call on hold.
00:50:53Caller, good evening.
00:50:54Good evening.
00:50:55Good evening.
00:50:57Good evening, sir.
00:50:58And Mark.
00:51:00Good day.
00:51:01Good day, sir.
00:51:02Are you in a position to tell me how many murders were committed in the last four months,
00:51:06how many women did and so on in the last four months?
00:51:11Two, it is the panel's opinion that most of the accidents are committed by people drinking
00:51:19and drinking the mayor's touch on that street and not that if you have the time, Saturday
00:51:28and Sunday, go on any of the overpass on the Salomon Rotary Highway and then see the speed
00:51:36that people are driving up.
00:51:40Both of them, but just report up to me and tell me.
00:51:43Thank you very much.
00:51:45Thank you very much, sir.
00:51:46He's going to call her.
00:51:48If I find the callers, it's like they want to give us some homework, some serious in-depth homework.
00:51:54But he's right.
00:51:56On the weekends, you know, there's this, I don't know where is the speed and this urgency.
00:52:02Like where are you going so more important than somebody else?
00:52:05Yeah, exactly.
00:52:07And I'm glad that we are making our observations as members of the public.
00:52:12And I trust that we are asking our friends, our families, our colleagues to adjust and change their behavior if need be
00:52:22in order to facilitate the type of responsible citizen that we are looking for.
00:52:26So the level of recklessness and negligence that is attached to what we may say 80% of these accidents that are being, you know, committed or that occur.
00:52:38Yeah.
00:52:39It's a case of they will be lessened.
00:52:42So we need to have that type of conversation.
00:52:44Don't keep our observations to ourselves.
00:52:47And I'm glad that the caller is calling it out for what it is.
00:52:50You know, we need to have it widespread.
00:52:52And people need to have a culture shock, if you would call it that.
00:52:55You know, there's something called youthful exuberance.
00:52:59And at times, younger drivers tend to have that feeling that, you know, they can fly.
00:53:08Yeah?
00:53:09The R. Kelly feeling.
00:53:10And, you know, that R. Kelly feeling, sometimes it manifests itself in not a good way.
00:53:16Yeah.
00:53:17All right?
00:53:18And the sad reality is that those decisions are not always limited to the persons who are making it.
00:53:23In that it impacts other persons negatively, fatally.
00:53:26Yeah.
00:53:27Right.
00:53:28Right.
00:53:29We have another caller on the line.
00:53:30Caller, good evening.
00:53:33Hello, caller.
00:53:34Hello.
00:53:35Good afternoon, Mr. Presenter.
00:53:37Good afternoon to the officer.
00:53:39Afternoon, sir.
00:53:40Afternoon, sir.
00:53:41I am confused and baffled after 82 years on this earth to hear this officer say,
00:53:50people, us outside, we have a misconception about the yellow and the red light.
00:53:58Well, I believe the officer have a misconception and I don't mean to be disrespectful,
00:54:03but I want Sam to be corrected.
00:54:05Green is to go.
00:54:07Red is to stop.
00:54:09Yellow is to slow down and be on alert to stop or to continue.
00:54:14But the light at the corner of Park and Henry Street that is flashing red.
00:54:19Red is a major road.
00:54:21So, therefore, unless there's anybody coming through on the yellow, red can then proceed
00:54:28after stopping.
00:54:29Mr. Officer, I think we just should be carried further because then green and red is a misconception
00:54:37also if yellow is to stop and red is to stop.
00:54:42I think that is a total misconception.
00:54:44So, with all due respect to you, sir.
00:54:47Yeah.
00:54:48Thank you, sir.
00:54:49Oh?
00:54:50Yeah.
00:54:51Well, I don't think you understand the context of...
00:54:56The caller that called asks about flashing amber and flashing red comparatively to a solid
00:55:03red or solid or amber going before it gets to red.
00:55:07Thank you very much.
00:55:08So, it was in that context that I responded.
00:55:11Yes.
00:55:12Right?
00:55:13But nonetheless, caller, we thank you for your edification and you are correct within the context
00:55:19that you are speaking.
00:55:20However, it doesn't apply to the question that we were posed with.
00:55:23Right.
00:55:24I have a question, Lou.
00:55:26Why is it that these lights are constantly on flashing and not working so that, you know,
00:55:33persons can stop at that given intersection on either side at a given time?
00:55:39And why is it?
00:55:40It has been perennially like that for quite a while.
00:55:43Is there a reason why?
00:55:45It could be the levels of traffic that are consistent with that particular space and the
00:55:52persons at the traffic management authority based on their analysis of the view that putting
00:55:57it that way, you're going to have the traffic flowing as opposed to if you have it solid.
00:56:03Yeah?
00:56:04With the common green, amber, red.
00:56:07Yes?
00:56:08So, that's their analysis.
00:56:09It's their analysis.
00:56:10But even if it means because one or two callers before said that intersection tends to have
00:56:18a lot of accidents because of those flashing lights.
00:56:20Yeah.
00:56:21I'm just trying to pay devil's advocate here and balance one.
00:56:25Six of one half dozen or the other.
00:56:26Yeah.
00:56:27Is it that we prefer to have more accidents rather than more congestion of traffic?
00:56:32Yeah.
00:56:33I'm just asking.
00:56:34But the other thing, and this is with the greatest of respect to the caller, I don't
00:56:38know his data.
00:56:41I cannot verify his data that there's so much accidents taking place at that particular
00:56:45point.
00:56:46Yes.
00:56:47Yes.
00:56:48I am of the view, and this is just speculative of course because I don't know the full nature
00:56:55of what occurs there, that the persons who are responsible for the management of that
00:57:02traffic light, they envision that the traffic would flow freely if it is to put it in that
00:57:08way as opposed to if they put it the other way around.
00:57:11It doesn't mean to say that at this point in time given of our present circumstance that
00:57:15it cannot be reviewed, and if the caller is correct and his data is correct in that in
00:57:20its present state it is contributing to an unusual amount of accidents, then of course
00:57:26it should be revisited.
00:57:27Yeah.
00:57:28Certainly.
00:57:29And to the previous caller's question about if we have the figures for the last four months
00:57:34and in terms of home invasions and so on.
00:57:37Of course that's something that we'll have to release with CAPA to get.
00:57:40Obviously we don't want to make a willy-nilly guess as to the numbers, but there might
00:57:44be patterns that you can obviously observe and even so when he speaks about maybe a higher
00:57:51amount of accidents during the weekend period comparatively to during the week.
00:57:56Yeah.
00:57:57Well, with the murders, what I would say is that I don't have the exact figures, but I'm
00:58:03certain that they were lower for the same periods last year.
00:58:08In terms of the accidents, I will have to visit the data directly in order to make that type
00:58:15of presumption.
00:58:16All right.
00:58:17We have another caller on the line.
00:58:18Caller, good evening.
00:58:19Welcome to be on the tape.
00:58:21Good afternoon, Mr. Bassant.
00:58:23Good day.
00:58:24And Officer Pitt.
00:58:27Good afternoon, ma'am.
00:58:28I remember the name from synergy.
00:58:30Yes, yes, yes.
00:58:31Yes, ma'am.
00:58:32Good day, gentlemen.
00:58:33I would like to ask a question which does not relate to what you all are talking about.
00:58:39I would like to know what is the statutory time for rape?
00:58:45Because I have a little cousin that was raped, molested very early and began being raped by
00:58:54her stepfather at the age of two.
00:58:57And, well, at that time it was rape crisis.
00:59:01That was the group.
00:59:04And she did go to them and nothing really came out of it.
00:59:08She was psychologically damaged.
00:59:11All right.
00:59:12And she went through life, couldn't have a relationship, never got married, never had
00:59:21children because she was scared from that time until now.
00:59:26She is 42.
00:59:28Right.
00:59:29And she, you know, we really want to know if anything could still happen for her.
00:59:37Right.
00:59:38She did go and make a report in the Taverigua police station.
00:59:43But at that time they told her statutory time has passed and they never took down anything
00:59:51in the book and send her packing home.
00:59:54And this young lady is in a mess up to this day.
00:59:59She's scarred for life and the individual, which is her stepfather, he's walking about
01:00:05as normal as ever living this life.
01:00:08Right.
01:00:09And the mother, the mother was married to my cousin.
01:00:14And when she approached the mother, they told her why that happened to her.
01:00:20It's because the father and the mother were divorced.
01:00:26That was the excuse for her, for him raping her because she, the mother never gave her
01:00:32to her father.
01:00:33She kept her and hide her in the house, change her surname.
01:00:39Right.
01:00:40And when the neighbors hear her screaming out at night or day, when they ask why she's screaming
01:00:47like that, that goodly gentleman would come out and tell them, you know how teenagers are
01:00:53when you're correcting them for doing something.
01:00:56That is the result.
01:00:57They begin to throw tantrum.
01:00:59That time she's being raped and the mother right there listening.
01:01:05Right.
01:01:06And the mother had three children for him because she got married to this other man.
01:01:12Right.
01:01:13And my cousin, her life up to now, Mr. Pip, up to now she is a mess.
01:01:21She has to be on drugs to stimulate her.
01:01:25And I am telling you, so I say, let me call and find out if anything can still be done
01:01:33for this young lady so she could get some justice and feel comfortable.
01:01:39Can you, before going, can you leave your number, please?
01:01:46Well, we hope that, Kola, unfortunately we did not get your number.
01:01:51ASP Pitt wanted to see if you could get your number.
01:01:55It's a very delicate situation.
01:01:57Definitely.
01:01:58It's a very interesting question as to the period of time when a sit-in crime is committed.
01:02:03Forte or odd years, because she said at the age of two until her teens, and she's 42 now.
01:02:09I know in the U.S. there's sit-in laws that guides that.
01:02:14But, obviously, if a crime is committed and there's, I guess, enough evidence.
01:02:19Well, these sexual offenses are in its present state.
01:02:22To the best of my knowledge, it has no statutory limitations.
01:02:26Okay.
01:02:27Right?
01:02:28And let me be clear when I say statutory limitation.
01:02:33In terms of a child, a child cannot give consent, period, to any sexual activity.
01:02:40They cannot.
01:02:41And if you, even if a child gives you consent and you go ahead and you take that consent, the mean consent, then you will actually be raping that child.
01:02:51We refer to that commonly as statutory rape.
01:02:54Right?
01:02:55So, I just want to create a distinction in terms of that, in terms of what we commonly call statutory rape.
01:03:00And cement my point that in terms of sexual offenses, to the best of my knowledge, there's no statutory limitations.
01:03:09I know there were amendments to the Sexual Offenses Act some time ago.
01:03:13And, you know, it was spelt out clearly.
01:03:16I cannot say if, based on the years that are in question, if it will apply rigidly to that.
01:03:26So, for that reason, I'm requesting humbly, ma'am, if you are listening, that you provide your number so that, you know, we can look further into that issue and treat it appropriately.
01:03:37Yes, certainly.
01:03:38I mean, it's a serious situation.
01:03:40I know it has left us individually, individually, psychologically and mentally scarred for life.
01:03:47If it's, in fact, the allegations, you know, to be true and with merit.
01:03:52And, of course, we are not a court of law, so we can't make any pronouncements on that.
01:03:57And on that note, of course, we've got to leave you.
01:03:59Thank you so much, ESP Pit, for your time.
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