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03:31Good evening Trinidad and Tobago and wherever you may be viewing us.
03:34I'm Mark Bassan, your host of Beyond the Tape.
03:36And of course we're smack in the middle of the week and it's Wednesday and it's also legally speaking Wednesdays.
03:44And we have with us none other than Corporal Zaheer Ali.
03:47Welcome sir.
03:48Pleasant good evening to you Mark.
03:50Good evening to Trinidad and Tobago.
03:52Jackie, other family members of Beyond the Tape.
03:55And I see Jackie signalling me.
03:57Thank you for that Jackie.
03:59For acknowledging me this afternoon.
04:01But Mark, again this afternoon, before we begin into the more serious issues.
04:05I know that a lot has happened, or I should say continued to happen in Trinidad and Tobago.
04:11And I think if I don't give some assurance to the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago and more so where in a couple of days.
04:18That the sister isle will be experiencing carnival.
04:23And I am certain that there's a lot of persons who are visiting Trinidad and Tobago.
04:30I think it's important for me to make this statement immediately to Trinidad and Tobago.
04:34And those who may be visiting that.
04:36While the oath officers, and I want to stress the officers who took an oath to protect and serve Trinidad and Tobago with pride.
04:44While we may be facing very deep and uphill challenges.
04:49Both from the external elements and from internal.
04:53I want to assure Trinidad and Tobago that we as a citizenry.
04:59We need to recognize that the police service, the bigger police service.
05:04Is made up of persons who also not persons on oath.
05:08So indirectly I'm saying to Trinidad and Tobago.
05:11And we go back to that very famous person Mark that you're very familiar with.
05:15We spoke about on the last occasion.
05:17Sir Robert Peel.
05:18I always make reference to him because I thought that philosophy.
05:22That Peelian principle still remains relevant today.
05:25And when you see that a TTPS oath officers are facing uphill challenges.
05:31Both internal and external.
05:33It is of critical importance to remind the citizenry that you are the police in Trinidad and Tobago.
05:41So I thought it was important to reassure the citizenry.
05:45Urge them that there's a dire need for all of us.
05:50To ensure that we protect our beloved Trinidad and Tobago.
05:53So Mark.
05:54Thank you for allowing me to begin in that context.
05:57Because I know we turn north, south, east, west.
06:01We are facing the challenges.
06:03And we are hearing different stakeholders speaking out on the issue of crime and criminality.
06:08It is not something that is easy to digest.
06:12Even when you have your freedom of movement.
06:14Your right to enjoyment of your property.
06:16Your right to life.
06:17And all these other significant rights.
06:19Right to education.
06:20We see that these things continue to be impacted.
06:23And impacted heavily.
06:24And we know that Trinidad and Tobago.
06:26A lot is required of all of us.
06:28And again I take this opportunity to call on the decision makers Mark.
06:32To ensure that we are making decisive and prompt decisions.
06:37That will alleviate or assist in getting us out of the situation.
06:41So I wanted to hand back over to you Mark.
06:43Certainly.
06:44And I know that Tobago Carnival Celebrations is this weekend.
06:48And we certainly hope for an incident-free weekend.
06:51We know Tobago has been experiencing an upsurge in violent crimes.
06:55And there's approximately 25 homicides for the year in Tobago.
07:00I think it's the highest on record thus far.
07:04And we certainly don't want it to reach any further than it is now.
07:08And any other kind of violent crimes.
07:10And we know that the officers there on the ground.
07:12Of course will be doing their utmost to protect the people.
07:16The visitors from both Trinidad and Tobago.
07:19As well as those that are coming from abroad for the festivities.
07:23And we also, as Corporal Ali pointed out.
07:26You as a citizen have a civic duty also.
07:30To report anything that you see might be suspicious.
07:33Or any kind of incident that you might feel uncomfortable with.
07:37Or unsafe with.
07:39Go to the nearest police officer and explain to them the situation.
07:42So that we don't have to see it in the media the next day.
07:46Or on social media later on that evening or night.
07:49And so on point Mark.
07:52In relation to again supporting that call for the citizen to recognize their civic duty.
07:58And to ensure that right to life, safety and security.
08:02We all have argued that being a fundamental right.
08:06And without life there's nothing.
08:09So again thank you for again.
08:11I always respect this partnership.
08:14And I saw recently.
08:16Even from a domestic violence context.
08:18I saw an advocate.
08:23The importance of the media and law enforcement.
08:26In relation to even fighting against domestic violence.
08:28So Mark.
08:29You and members of the media.
08:31Jackie.
08:32And even other platforms that may have a similar approach and objective.
08:35Continue to do your part to ensure.
08:38That we at least.
08:40Bring forward the solutions.
08:43Or if there's things that we need to highlight for transparency and accountability.
08:46That we continue to ensure that we uphold the rule of law.
08:49Legally speaking Wednesday.
08:51Definitely.
08:52And we want to start on some encouraging news of course.
08:56We know that the condition of WPC Keanu.
09:00Mahabir remains stable.
09:02But she's improving.
09:04I've spoken to a couple of police officers.
09:06Over the last couple of hours.
09:10And it's encouraging.
09:12We are hopeful.
09:13That even as we look at some of her performing as a drummer.
09:17With the band.
09:18At a recent rehearsal I believe.
09:21We are also hopeful that the police officers of central division.
09:26Together with any other units that might be assisting.
09:29Will bring these perpetrators to justice.
09:31As soon as possible.
09:33And I know that they will be relying on a lot of the CCTV footage.
09:37We would have seen that footage.
09:39On social media.
09:41On television stations.
09:43As well last night.
09:46And how brazen that these men can be.
09:48Following this person.
09:50Whether or not I don't know if they knew that she was a police officer.
09:53But just looking at two women in an SUV.
09:56Leaving the airport.
09:59Deciding to follow them.
10:00Or if they got some type of information.
10:02The police is still trying to work out all those types of details.
10:05And again Mark.
10:07I'm happy that you alluded to the fact that in terms of establishing a motive.
10:11It's still being investigated.
10:14But again.
10:15You saw the.
10:17You'll be remiss of me if I don't join with you as well.
10:20To wish her a quick recovery.
10:22And say to the TTPS and my extension.
10:24Both the TTPS and my extension.
10:27The citizenry.
10:28If we Mark.
10:29And I'm just using this as an example.
10:31There's a scene as well.
10:32When they had hurt.
10:34The two must feel the pain.
10:35And if in this particular situation.
10:37And other situation.
10:38That as a society.
10:40We are not feeling the pain for each other.
10:42Then we need to check ourselves.
10:43Because you know.
10:45Whether.
10:48Where you turn.
10:49We need each other.
10:51And that's something in my view.
10:53You know we forget sometimes that we need each other.
10:55Just by example.
10:56We are on this platform.
10:58If we don't have a viewership.
10:59Then there's no show.
11:00Or there shouldn't be any show.
11:02So again this partnership where.
11:04And the thinking of you know that.
11:06Sometimes we may be thinking selfish.
11:08But in this situation.
11:10Feel the pain.
11:11And let the feeling of the pain Mark.
11:13Push you.
11:14That somewhere.
11:15Someone somewhere.
11:16Is away.
11:17Or have some information.
11:18That can progress this investigation.
11:20So.
11:21We want to let you all.
11:22The viewers know that.
11:23We appreciate you all.
11:24And we appreciate.
11:25Every call.
11:26And any suggestion.
11:27Or feedback.
11:28That you all.
11:29Give to this program.
11:30Is taken into consideration.
11:32Not just by.
11:33By the police officers.
11:34But also by ourselves.
11:36We're going to go.
11:37And take a look now.
11:38At the results.
12:08So those are some of the headlines.
12:33Making the rounds.
12:34For the last 24 hours.
12:36We just want to take you to.
12:37The most.
12:38One of the most recent homicides.
12:39That took place.
12:40This afternoon.
12:42Along the Rudolph.
12:44Charles link road.
12:45Of the old.
12:46Laventille road.
12:47Apparently.
12:48A gentleman by the name of.
12:50Quacey what data.
12:51Age 42.
12:53Was in his vehicle.
12:55Or apparently.
12:56Trying to leave his vehicle.
12:58When there was.
12:59Loud explosions.
13:01Heard by residents.
13:02Seem that.
13:04You were shot.
13:05Multiple times.
13:06By his.
13:07Attacker.
13:08Attackers.
13:09And then.
13:10They left the scene.
13:11Of course.
13:12Police responded.
13:13Immediately.
13:14And.
13:15Essentially.
13:16You know.
13:17They found.
13:18Several.
13:19Spent shells.
13:20And this is an area.
13:21Honestly.
13:22Has been relatively quiet.
13:23For quite.
13:24Some time.
13:25And now.
13:26We just have.
13:27This.
13:28This murder.
13:29Popping up here.
13:30Of course.
13:31Police are still trying.
13:32To ascertain a motive.
13:33For this murder.
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34:49Again, I acknowledge the caller submission, and Mark, this is something that excites me
34:54every time I come here on a Wednesday, with the intelligence submissions from members
34:58of the public.
34:59And look at the submission in relation to the issue of uniform.
35:03This caller, on behalf of the public, is asking where persons are probably on, what they call,
35:09on sick leave for extended period of time.
35:13Should we, and we meaning the authorities, should we in this situation call in that uniform
35:18to ensure that this public property is secured while that person is on sick leave?
35:22I think it's an excellent suggestion.
35:25And I think that when we are thinking about moving to first world status, these are some
35:29of the things, subtle things, that we should be thinking of in terms of when there's extended
35:33sick leave.
35:34Whether in fact it will be better positioned for the public property, which is at the public
35:40expense, to be properly secured by the state, as opposed to leave it in the hands of the
35:45person who is sick.
35:46So just by way of a suggestion, I think it's excellent to entertain and let's see where
35:50the discussion will carry us.
35:51So that's one.
35:52Number two, let me immediately indicate that when under the criminal law, and I'm just
35:57using one legislation, there are other legislation that will give rise to a power of arrest.
36:02But the criminal law, which is a general power, Mark, we are not looking for evidence to arrest.
36:07And I think that's, in my view, a misrepresented position.
36:12The principle is where there's reasonable cause to believe or suspect that an offence
36:17has been committed, or is about to be committed, or is in the act of being committed.
36:22So reasonable cause to suspect is really looking at credible information.
36:26When we are speaking evidence, we are speaking of things now that can be put before a court,
36:31in reference to when we are speaking and using the term evidence.
36:34When you're using the term evidence, when you have evidence to afford reasonable grounds
36:38that a person has committed an offence, in the police protocol, you'll hear, okay, it's
36:43a time to administer a caution so that the person is protected from incriminating his
36:47or herself.
36:48And in terms of charging, the evidence must, and I spoke about this previously, there's
36:54a full court that must be satisfied when you are about to issue or prefer a criminal charge.
36:59The first limb is the evidential stage.
37:02There must be a real prospect of a conviction on the evidence you have, whether it be one
37:07piece, two piece, three piece, being assessed by the DPP or a legal officer or maybe a senior
37:11administrator.
37:12And the second limb, when you satisfy the evidential test, then you move to whether
37:17in the public interest it will be justified in initiating proceedings.
37:21So that should answer the issue of reasonable cause, evidence, and evidence to charge mark.
37:26Wonderful.
37:27So on that note, we're going to take a short break and we'll be back.
37:30Stay with us.
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