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03:48Welcome to Beyond the Tape, I'm your host, Mark Bassant, and we've had a lot of inclement
04:07weather over the last few weeks, so welcome to our viewers in Trinidad and Tobago, and
04:11of course, across the globe.
04:15We have with us today ASP Renee Bean Keller, and we're going to be chatting a lot on the
04:2016 years of gender-based violence.
04:23Welcome ma'am.
04:24Thank you so much, and happy holidays.
04:26Season greetings.
04:27Same to you.
04:28So one of the things, just before we get into that, is that breaking news is that charges
04:33have been relayed against seven police officers in misbehavior in public office case.
04:39That's the matter that was last Monday dismissed by Master De Silva, a matter involving extortion
04:47in San Juan, in a matter in 2023, so the TTPS sent out a release confirming that all charges
04:53against the seven officers previously discharged in the case of misbehaving in public office
04:59have been relayed.
05:00These officers are now expected to reappear in court to face the charges.
05:04The case was initially dismissed on Monday 18th November 2024, due to procedural issues,
05:10and is currently under investigation.
05:12Following discussions with the office of the DPP, the TTPS received advice to relay charges
05:17against the accused officers.
05:19Commissioner Euler here with Christopher stated, the relaying of these charges demonstrates
05:23our commitment to ensuring that justice is served.
05:26The TTPS will continue to work closely with the office of the DPP to ensure the proper
05:31determination of these matters.
05:34So there we see justice, of course, you know, having, and I know that the commissioner would
05:38have also indicated that officers that would have been in charge in the PSB in terms of
05:43laying charges against these officers, they are also facing disciplinary charges.
05:47Correct.
05:48It doesn't mean, so what happens is that under the new AJIPA system is that there's a time
05:52frame that for submission, for evidential submission, and the officers have to meet
05:57and also meet that threshold.
05:59So as it is, you recognize that due process was still facilitated and it was carried out
06:04and the officers both on both end, they would face where they will go before and answer
06:09to their criminal charges and the officers who are within our complaints division, we
06:13will action that with disciplinary matters to avoid making a deterrent and give the citizens
06:19and also our officers a commitment to make sure that we carry out our part to make sure
06:24that justice is served.
06:25Certainly, and we know that in the last week, there's been a lot of public fear because
06:28this was not the first case where cops were discharged in terms of the matters and there
06:34was a lot of, you know, I guess, discussion, not just by the public, but other stakeholders
06:39who would have weighed in on this situation because we had two court cases coming back
06:43to back where that happened and then there was a matter I think today as well where police
06:48officers worked in a particular court case.
06:52So as I told you, we continue to do our part internally to make sure that we continue to
06:57set the standards and to make sure that our officers carry out these standards.
07:02So it's unfortunate that these things happen, but as they happen, it makes us strengthen
07:06and become more resilient in the way that we treat with the public and we would treat
07:10with cases and reports because we want to continue to build trust and confidence and
07:15part of that trust and confidence is making sure that we bring the persons to court so
07:19that they can seek the justice they deserve.
07:22Certainly, and talking about trust and confidence, I know that the gender based units is as
07:27embarked on 16 days of activism.
07:30Yes.
07:31Started on, I think the 25th of November and ends on December 9th.
07:36I believe December 10th.
07:38Yeah, December 10th.
07:39Just walk us through.
07:40I see you wearing a lovely orange today as part of the theme, I guess.
07:44So the theme is orange or it's orange.
07:47Orange is always the color to end gender based violence against women and children.
07:52And it's 16 days of activism.
07:54And this this will have 16 days of activities throughout the division whereby we going to
08:00kind of bring awareness and it's going to have a build up whereby the climax is going
08:04to be at the Sinclair where the secretariat is based.
08:07So they are going to end there.
08:08The after we conduct all throughout the divisions, we're going to end with a climax,
08:12but bringing more awareness, getting communities involved, getting the church base, the
08:16NGOs, all the experts and the communities to buy in so that we can have persons, you
08:22know, say something, you see something, say something, empower women to speak up and speak
08:26out. So this is what the activism is about.
08:29What what kind of people, persons or victims are expecting in terms of these workshops
08:35or this? I know you're going across the country.
08:38Yes. What are some of the things that they can expect within that these 16 days of
08:42activism? So what are the hope is, is that we have engagement.
08:45It's always about education and awareness and also about exploring online options
08:51because one of the things that we want to do is to make it a safe.
08:55We want to empower women to be safe to me or anyone in general, even if you're acting on
09:00behalf of someone to empower them so that they can make feel safe and confidential.
09:05So what we continue to do with the 16 day about the activism is to ensure that the
09:11public recognize that we are doing our part to build trustworthy systems, to build that
09:16engagement, to build that confidentiality and also to make sure that the systems can
09:21support the persons making the report.
09:23So that is what the activism is about.
09:25Well, we're certainly going to be talking a lot more about this as the program wears
09:28on, but we're going to take a look at our headlines now.
10:21Those are some of the headlines within the past 24 hours and yes, we have been talking a
10:37lot in the last couple of days here in reference of safety on the roadways.
10:44We are seeing a lot of accidents occurring in the last couple of days.
10:48Unfortunately, a young man died a couple of days ago during the weekend.
10:52There was also other critical accidents where people were injured.
10:55And then we had this accident this sometime, I believe this morning on the South
11:03Bungalow Lane or last night where there's a lot of repairs going on.
11:08Of course, as you get to that Chagonas overpass, one of the lanes, you know, they are
11:14doing a lot of work.
11:15Apparently, what we understand was that the fatal accident involves a prison officer who
11:24apparently, in some measure, based on the conversation, would have overtaken a vehicle.
11:29And there was a truck parked that was doing work, of course, a flatbed truck.
11:35And I assume that based on the information that he would have crashed into that truck and
11:41died. And of course, we want to encourage people, of course, especially in this
11:45area here where they are doing a lot of work on the roadways.
11:49And of course, the road is also wet there, as you can see, to proceed with caution.
11:54But what if you can also look within the video?
11:56You can also see there is signage and that signage is visible from several kilometers
12:00away. So what we also need to do is adhere to the signage.
12:03It's not there for, you know, for advertisement only.
12:07Actually, that's not even used for advertisement.
12:09That is, you can clearly see a sign that is saying caution.
12:12So it means that we also have to behave ourselves on the roads and we need to obey the
12:17laws and comply with them.
12:19Besides this being the rains, what happened is that the rains are bringing down debris.
12:23A lot of the construction that you're seeing is because the heavy waters are damaging the
12:27roadways. And we are also trying to do well.
12:29The Ministry of Works are also trying to do their part in making the repairs so that we
12:34can avoid accidents.
12:35But I'm seeing that the caution signage is apparently mounted on a truck.
12:40Correct. So that the car would have ran into the truck after overtaking.
12:45And he would have at least seen, as you said, that signage from a while back because they
12:50don't usually put it a little ways before and the arrows to indicate that.
12:54And they also put on the hazard lights.
12:56There's also police officers in reflective vests because once there's construction and
13:00even the construction workers are also in reflective vests, you are once you're paying
13:05attention and you're aware of the road, where you're going to see these reflective lights
13:08from far away.
13:09Yes, definitely. And we want to encourage people, especially in that area, that there
13:13was a lot of construction happening and it's expected to be completed by the Christmas
13:18because they had an extension.
13:21We want you in both lanes, of course, because I was driving down there, I think over the
13:24weekend and they had work going on and you were constricted to one lane on the shoulder.
13:30Right. But still, you have to proceed with caution because obviously you have to be
13:35considerate of other drivers as well as people who are working on the side of the
13:39roadways. And then there's all that material as well as the steel structures that they're
13:43still mounting and so on.
13:45I also saw licensing.
13:46They were doing a lot of work.
13:48They were out and about on the nation's road and they were looking for also inspection
13:52because for tires and for proper lighting indicator.
13:56So, you know, sometimes the citizens say that, you know, it is very disruptive, but it's
14:01also to prevent things like these from happening because you're seeing that some of the
14:04vehicles on the road are actually not roadworthy.
14:07They have not even gone through the inspection.
14:09So this is what the licensing also looks for in order for us to meet the compliance so
14:14that we avoid RTAs.
14:15Most certainly. And then there was another accident sometime today in the Mosquito Creek
14:23area here. It seemed that a vehicle lost control or maybe a truck.
14:27A truck, was a truck, yes.
14:29Yes, a particular contractor would have probably ran into another truck.
14:35I don't know if the truck was parked in some measure, but certainly this area is an area
14:41that just finished construction not too long ago and along the Mosquito Creek there.
14:46And obviously, whether it's be day or night, people need to be cognizant of the
14:53roadways and to be cautious as well as observant.
14:57Yes, and, you know, I want to express condolences to persons who lose their life due
15:02to RTA or vehicular accidents.
15:04It's unfortunate that in recent vintage that we are seeing a lot of accidents involving
15:09the larger vehicles, the heavy vehicles.
15:13But one of the things that we have to continue to do is to bring awareness, to continue to
15:19bring awareness to the persons who are using the roads as pedestrians and drivers.
15:23It's continuous awareness and compliance with the law.
15:26There is a particular speed that there's a hundred kilometers and it varies from
15:32basically whichever road that you're using.
15:35And we need compliance to the speed limits so that once persons stay within the speed
15:40limits, you are able to engage your brakes in a timely manner to avoid accidents.
15:45Most certainly. And I just wanted to bring you up to date.
15:47Yesterday, we showed you a photo of a gentleman who was apparently attacked and stabbed
15:54near the Edward Street area.
15:57Now, we've got some footage that we're going to show you prior to the incident where he
16:02would have been somebody up and a sailor came up to him and attacked him.
16:07So he's walking along the road.
16:08You'll see him shortly.
16:10And I think there is that this man just attacks him walking in the opposite direction.
16:20And since I've attacked him, I don't know.
16:22I understand he was taken to the hospital later on, but certainly it looks so
16:30spontaneous. Look at this.
16:35And he appears to be with a weapon in his hand, I don't know what would have triggered
16:40that attack. I think even the gentleman was a little bit confused when he got up.
16:48But it appeared that he was in his lower region.
16:51He was he suffered some kind of wound or wounds and he collapsed a short while later.
16:57So we are definitely hoping that anybody that has information in reference to this
17:02particular incident to contact Daenerys police station so that we can ideally find this
17:08culprit. Yes.
17:10All right. So we're going to take a short break and we'll be back after this.
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20:19Welcome back to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Bessant, of course,
20:23joined today by ASP Bean Keller from the Gender Base Unit.
20:28And we are going to be talking about the 16 years of gender based violence
20:33that you all activated a day or two ago.
20:37And why are we, you're not in a uniform again?
20:39Well, we've been in a uniform for a long time.
20:41And we're going to be talking about the 16 years of gender based violence
20:46Why are we, you're not in a uniform again?
20:49I'm in orange so that I represent in solidarity with women all around the world,
20:54women and young girls all around the world.
20:56This color represents that there's a goal by the UN to eradicate gender based violence by 2030.
21:02So this color is to represent that we are against it.
21:05This is the fight. This is our fight color.
21:07This is the color that empowers women.
21:09So that's representing TTPS in the capacity, but I'm still attached to mountain and canines.
21:15I'm representing TTPS.
21:16My apologies.
21:17Yes, I'm representing TTPS to talk about the 16 days of activism.
21:21So we know that, I think a lot of people wanted to clarify is that, you know,
21:27just not violence of people who are attacked by their spouses or their family members,
21:32but also violence, I guess, generally against women. Yes?
21:36Yes. So the violence is violence against women and young girls.
21:41Now, one of the things that when we talk about gender based violence,
21:45we automatically go to women, but really what the hope is and where the guidance is,
21:53is really for our men to understand the harassment and discrimination and abuse that women suffer
21:59in the workplace, in their own homes, in the school, sometimes walking the street.
22:03So to bring the awareness is also bringing the way the change behavior that we want to see from men,
22:08because most of the times the violence perpetrated against women and young girls come from men.
22:13So we are looking to educate men, for men to hold each other responsible.
22:19I was listening to a podcast earlier when they asked me to be on the program,
22:23and I found it was an interesting concept where they are forming peer groups.
22:29Yes. And in the peer group,
22:30like for yourself, you're hanging out with your friends, Mark.
22:32And what they're looking for is that when your friend says something disrespectful about women,
22:37or they talk about domestic violence, or you know they are part of abusing their wives or children,
22:42that you hold them accountable.
22:44You have that conversation with them to let them know it wouldn't be tolerated.
22:48We wouldn't allow you to be part of the group,
22:49or we wouldn't lie with you or hang with you if we know that you are an abuser.
22:53How can we help you?
22:54Where can we seek or what groups or experts that we can lean in and tap in to help you as a friend,
22:59instead of knowing that he is abusive to his family and that we still carry him.
23:03For years, we know he has an alcoholism problem.
23:05It triggers the abuse within the home.
23:07So we are looking for men who are wholesome,
23:10who are grounded in religion,
23:12to guide other men and young boys in behaving properly,
23:16because what we have found is that abuse is a cycle.
23:20So what you see in the home tends to be repeated either in the work environment,
23:24in the school environment,
23:25and as I said, even in the streets.
23:27And certainly, we wanted to just recall that there were several incidents
23:33involving violence against women.
23:34During the course of the year,
23:36we had Tara Ramsgrove and her baby girl, Jada Motilal,
23:41killed in Barapu in October of this year.
23:44And then a couple of years later,
23:45Shellyanne Sankar attacked and chopped at her home in New Grant.
23:52And I believe there was also another lady who was,
23:56I think it was stabbed in Curep.
23:59And then there was an incident in Gasparilla, I recall.
24:02This one was in Gasparilla, where she was attacked by some men at her incompleted,
24:08incompleted, sorry, and you know, was killed.
24:13And then early, very early in the year,
24:15this also was an incident involving a young woman who was chased by the suspect,
24:24um, down South Bong Lane.
24:26Yes, I recall this incident.
24:27And she was also from the Gasparilla area,
24:30and she was ran over by the vehicle.
24:32So various ways that men have, you know, perpetrated these crimes.
24:38And then there was the incident in Shorelands and Glencoe
24:41at the beginning of the year, if memory saves me right,
24:44Kamalita De Leon and Kalida Schwambo in Shorelands, Glencoe.
24:50Also the victims of violent killing, you know, they were both shot and killed.
24:56And of course, there are others that we might not have,
24:58might not be able to recall at this juncture during the course of this year.
25:02And of course, those that went before.
25:04But certainly, it resonates, as you say,
25:08that men need to become more assertive for their actions.
25:11And as I say, it's an emotional thing for some men,
25:15how they deal with certain circumstances when it comes to women.
25:19I think now in this era,
25:21we have to recognize that men have mental health challenges.
25:26We have to create safe spaces where men not just,
25:28we don't just want to empower women.
25:31We want to create those safe spaces.
25:32And also women need to behave too,
25:34because we have some women can emasculate men to a point.
25:37So we're not casting blame on anybody.
25:39But what we want to recognize is the behaviors
25:42and what steps we can do to change it,
25:44what level of awareness we can bring.
25:46And this is where leadership comes in.
25:48We have to have the men who are in strong position and leadership.
25:52And as I said, grounded to speak out and give that support.
25:56Because I think one of the challenges that
25:58you have all these support groups for the women.
26:00And then now, which in recent vintage,
26:02you're hearing these support groups for men,
26:03because they're recognizing that it's no need to be macho.
26:06If you need help, you need help.
26:08And there is no need to be chauvinistic in the home anymore.
26:11It's a partnership.
26:12It's a symbiotic relationship whereby the woman needs you
26:15and you need the woman in order to raise good citizens,
26:18to raise strong children that make strong decisions.
26:22Because what we're having, and you're seeing it,
26:23and you'll be seeing the fallout of the broken homes
26:26and the dysfunctional families
26:28by the behaviors of the children in the school.
26:30So it's an indirect ripple effect throughout society
26:33if we do not start to empower our persons
26:36to speak out and speak out loudly
26:38so that we can change and make a more equitable society.
26:41Definitely.
26:41And I think one of the important things here
26:45also bearing in mind is emotional intelligence.
26:48Correct.
26:49And I think for both men and women, if you are not familiar,
26:53there are a number of books about emotional intelligence,
26:55how we deal with people in the workplace, at your home,
26:59and anywhere else.
27:01It helps everyone.
27:02I myself read a couple of books about emotional intelligence
27:05and it really has helped me.
27:07You know, trying to put yourself in other's shoes.
27:09Introspection.
27:10Yes.
27:11And putting yourself in other people's shoes
27:13to understand how they feel.
27:14Yes.
27:15Before you cast aspersions
27:17or even before you conceptualize a thought.
27:20I think that is extremely important
27:22but sometimes people listen without
27:26and they already have a preconceived response
27:29without fully listening.
27:31And I think that is where we need to stop
27:34and listen fully to what the person says
27:36and then respond without premeditating
27:39what we're going to say.
27:40But not only that.
27:41What we also, as I told you,
27:42part of it has to be leadership.
27:44Yes.
27:45And leadership from the government
27:46with the laws that we create,
27:48from the systems that we build.
27:50And with that now, you have to force.
27:53It's a forced behavior in order for us
27:56to get the change we're looking for.
27:57Women have always been disenfranchised
28:00through the centuries.
28:01But now that we are having,
28:02we broke the glass ceiling, right?
28:04And I think some of the times
28:06that we get disrespected by men
28:07is because we as women too need to manage
28:10because we broke any glass ceiling
28:11and some of us misbehaving
28:13with the shattered pieces.
28:14But what we need to do is streamline things.
28:17We need to create not just institutions
28:20that teach us.
28:21There's a need for teaching people
28:23how to parent now.
28:24Because there are so many
28:25different styles of parenting.
28:26What I knew when I was growing up
28:27was strict parenting.
28:28Now there's gentle parenting.
28:30There is coaching parenting.
28:31So there's so many avenues for persons
28:33to seek help.
28:34And this is what we want
28:35with the 16 Day of Activism
28:38to expose persons to the systems
28:40and the laws that are available to them.
28:42And to encourage the communities
28:44to speak out as well,
28:45to be loud about it,
28:46that we won't tolerate
28:47because there are certain cultures
28:48and religions that naturally disenfranchise
28:52women and young girls.
28:53And we certainly hope that
28:56you all across the country
28:57will take advantage of these meetings
29:01and these workshops
29:03that the Gender-Based Violence Unit is having
29:06where you'll be able to interact
29:07and speak with a number of police officers
29:10who can offer advice and suggestions
29:13and even their opinions.
29:14And you can also interact with them
29:17for situations that you need help with.
29:20And we have the hotlines.
29:21As I told you, there's also online.
29:23Like you spoke about the persons
29:26that would have been,
29:28unfortunately, my condolences to the family,
29:30would have been killed
29:31through domestic violence.
29:32Murder would have occurred.
29:34However, we have had
29:35significant arrests with it.
29:37There have been cases
29:39within the period from January to present,
29:43we have had over 71 arrests
29:45with gender-based violence reports.
29:47So we are making some strides.
29:49But remember, we have to have the reports.
29:51We have to have the victim engagement.
29:53And unfortunately,
29:53when it comes to domestic violence,
29:55it takes a victim eight times
29:57before she makes a decision
29:59to leave the home, either dead or alive.
30:00Wow. Interesting statistic.
30:03We're going to take a short break
30:04and we'll take your calls when we come back.
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32:55I'm your host Mark Bassan.
32:56Of course, joined today by ASP Bean Keller
32:59from Moncton Branch
33:00but she's representing in a different capacity today
33:02as we speak about gender-based violence
33:05and of course, 16 days of activism.
33:08And this might not be related, right?
33:11But there was an incident a couple days ago
33:13within the last two days
33:15involving 83-year-old Balkaran Baban
33:19where he spoke with express photographer Dexter Philip
33:23when he was attacked and assaulted
33:25at his home in Penal by a man brandishing a cutlass.
33:29Let's take a listen in.
33:32I was taking me to exercise in the yard
33:41and a white tear grew inside of me.
33:44I wanted to go to the cutlass with mask
33:48and stabbed, beat me up
33:50and kept me in the ground.
33:53Chopped all my head, real legs.
33:55And the other man, nothing.
33:58No.
33:59Well, as far as I know, he and the driver
34:03in the back were so tainted, I could not see.
34:05And I could not make them out.
34:08They make any demand for money or anything?
34:09No, no, no.
34:11So, as he came out the car, he started attacking you?
34:14Right away, yes.
34:15Right away.
34:16Cutlass?
34:17Yeah.
34:18So, both of them had cutlass?
34:21One of them came out only.
34:23That was the passenger?
34:25Yes.
34:26So, when he was shot from here, what did he see?
34:30Right, I bowled it on his face.
34:32He said, don't make noise, don't make noise.
34:34Took my hand, put it on his face, yeah.
34:36That's all.
34:37And that happened in seconds and they were gone.
34:41They went back into your house?
34:43No, no, they didn't.
34:44Enter from there, they had gone nowhere again.
34:46Just in the car, in the public road.
34:48No, nothing, they asked for nothing.
34:50So, they just beat, they just chopped you
34:53and then they beat you?
34:54Yeah, cutlass in my head and thing,
34:56if you understand what I say, yeah.
34:59Uncle, why did they do such a thing?
35:01Well, this is what I want to know
35:03and I have no idea, nothing along the area.
35:06Well, I was standing right by the fridge
35:09and I see the one that came out, right?
35:13I want to come out.
35:14They just start to chop him.
35:16That is what I see, right?
35:19And then I see him fall on the ground
35:21and they're just doing so-so.
35:23Until then, no one knows what happened
35:25and then they went back in the car and they go.
35:28So, we've been talking about,
35:29we know we're talking about violence against women,
35:31but there's also violence against men.
35:32Or vulnerable citizens in society.
35:34And the elderly.
35:35Yes.
35:35And we're seeing a trend here
35:37where a number of people have been attacked
35:39in an unfortunate situation there,
35:41but also Mr. Winston Thomas, who was attacked
35:44and dragged out of his house a couple of days ago
35:47in Penal District and later found dead in his car.
35:50And really disheartening when you see things like that,
35:53you know, how people treat the elderly
35:56and they attack the vulnerable
35:58because, you know, this man was in his yard
36:01minding his own business.
36:02He says he doesn't know about, you know,
36:04what reason because they didn't go into his house
36:06and take anything.
36:07Yes.
36:07Well, the thing is, I wouldn't be able to publicate
36:09until a proper investigation
36:11or thorough investigation is done.
36:12However, there is need to protect the vulnerable in society.
36:16And again, it comes back again, as I said,
36:18about our changed behavior and the role that leadership
36:21and men and young, that we have to play
36:24in the lives of men and young boys.
36:25Because when you look at the perpetrators,
36:27it's always between a certain age group
36:30that perpetrate these crimes.
36:31So there is need for us to group collectively
36:34as a society to change the behavior
36:36and the perspective of these young boys.
36:38Because the vulnerable in society,
36:40most times with the pensioners,
36:41there's a belief that they have money
36:43and their pension money on them
36:44based on the time of the month.
36:46And then pensioners, they tend to,
36:47or the vulnerable in society, the elderly,
36:49they tend to like to go to the bank
36:51and withdraw a certain, a large sum of money.
36:54So we need to also educate them
36:56and inform their family as well to protect them.
36:59And community has to come together there.
37:01There was a point in time where we respected our elders.
37:04Yes, indeed.
37:06And I just want to tell them that whoever they are,
37:08they will come for you.
37:09Definitely.
37:10The police will find you at some point,
37:12or you might end up somewhere, somewhere.
37:15So we want the investigation to continue.
37:17The police will investigate the matter
37:19because there we have laws that cater
37:21to protect the sick and firm.
37:23And under the Summary Offenses Act,
37:25we have where we protect children and old women
37:27and the elderly.
37:29So there are laws to protect them,
37:31but we have to have the information.
37:32So if you see something, say something,
37:34let the police know so that we can thoroughly investigate
37:37and bring some form of justice.
37:39Certainly.
37:40And, you know, we were talking about domestic violence.
37:43And I know you sent me a couple of numbers.
37:47Yes.
37:48That if you have a report on domestic violence,
37:52if you would like to share it with the public,
37:55or she wants me to share it.
37:56And so there's the National DV Hotline, 800-SAVE,
38:00as well as police, you can call 999-555-800-TIPS,
38:05or any police officer on the B10 patrol,
38:07any police officer at any police station,
38:10you can report such a matter.
38:11So there are various ways and means
38:13that you can communicate with the police
38:16If you have an issue as it relates to domestic violence,
38:19don't wait till it gets out of hand
38:22or it reaches a stage where you are hurt
38:25or unfortunately the person puts you down.
38:28Well, I can even add to those hotlines.
38:30We also have help and support.
38:31We have the Special Victim Department.
38:33As you know, it has been amalgamated.
38:35So it is the Special Victim Unit,
38:37the Child Protection Unit
38:39and the Gender-Based Violence Unit.
38:40They have been amalgamated.
38:42And then we have the NGOs for Coalition
38:45against Domestic Violence.
38:46We also have the International Organization for Migrants.
38:50So we also have the Rape Crisis, Family Planning
38:53and the Women of Substance in Tobago.
38:54Tobago also has a branch.
38:56And we look too at the church
38:58and faith-based organizations for support as well.
39:01So women are not alone.
39:03It's just about finding the right fit
39:05to give them that support they need
39:07because it is challenging to uproot the life,
39:12Yes.
39:12and that abusive life.
39:14That is all you know.
39:15So to make that change
39:17and to find that protection and support,
39:19we have to work with the woman mentally,
39:21financially, emotionally
39:24because it's a rollercoaster of emotions
39:25to take on that journey from an abuse position
39:28to being in a position of freedom and support.
39:31Certainly.
39:31And we really want to encourage all women out there
39:34who are having issues domestically,
39:37please do not be afraid to reach out to somebody
39:40that you trust and who can assist you.
39:43And then, of course,
39:44put you onto somebody in your law enforcement
39:47or in one of these areas here
39:50so that they can help start the process for you
39:53to get out of that situation in some measure.
39:56And as we go to a break,
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42:06Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
42:15I'm your host Mark Bassan,
42:16joined today by ASP Bain Keller.
42:19She's representing the Trinidad-Tobago Police Service
42:21under the Mounted Branch,
42:22but she's here in her capacity
42:23to talk about gender-based violence.
42:26And we just want to go to a video
42:28involving some officers of the Northeastern Division
42:33that was attempting to get into a premises
42:36without a warrant.
43:06Let me just do it the right way.
43:09And you know what?
43:09It can't come in without a warrant.
43:11If you can't tell me you see a firearm
43:13from quite on the ground floor,
43:14that is madness.
43:16What do you do here to do, officer?
43:36So it seems to me that the officers
43:39were trying to get into a compound.
43:41Now, what the guy said is that
43:43they claim that they saw a firearm.
43:45Now he's saying,
43:46how could you see a firearm from the ground floor
43:48if he's living upstairs?
43:50I know there's hidden protocols.
43:51There was an incident a couple weeks ago
43:54where officers went to civil warrant.
43:56There's three warrant on the floor,
43:58which is in practice with the court.
44:00Yes, that is in keeping.
44:01Unknown to many people, of course.
44:03But in this instance,
44:05suspicion, is it enough
44:08to gain access to somebody's premises
44:10without following the proper protocols?
44:14Now, there are circumstances
44:16that you can enter one's premises
44:18without a warrant.
44:19So it's like to prevent a crime,
44:21to ensure safety,
44:22to pursue a criminal,
44:24to secure evidence in pursuit of evidence.
44:27And with the person's permission,
44:29I got it from the gentleman's conversation
44:32with the officers.
44:33He said,
44:34you all were here already
44:35with a warrant previously.
44:37So I'm not sure what is the reason
44:38for them revisiting.
44:40I can't pontificate on that.
44:41However, the officers,
44:43we can obtain warrants.
44:46All officers are guided by
44:47is meeting the threshold,
44:48a probable cause or reasonable cause
44:51to enter one's premises.
44:52So I do not know what the circumstances are,
44:55what the officers saw.
44:56I'm unable because sometimes
44:57the video is very one-sided.
45:00But from what the engagement is,
45:02what I will guide persons
45:03is that officers can enter premises
45:06without warrant,
45:07but there are certain thresholds
45:08they must meet to do that.
45:10But the proper procedure,
45:11I would want to encourage my officers,
45:13meet the threshold for your warrant,
45:15go before your magistrate
45:16and get that warrant
45:19to show a reasonable cause
45:20while you are entering the premises
45:22and what the items you're going to retrieve.
45:23Well, certainly this particular incident,
45:25I'm sure because it's on social media,
45:27is going to be looked at by relevant personnel
45:30to see if everything was done
45:32within the remit of the law.
45:33Correct.
45:33Without casting aspersions on any party.
45:36Yes.
45:37So I'm guided because as I said,
45:39because the video is sometimes
45:40you don't ever get the whole true genesis of it,
45:43but there are an officer can't,
45:44I don't want persons to be misrepresented.
45:47You can enter a person's premises
45:49without a warrant,
45:50but you have there certain thresholds
45:52you must meet to do that.
45:53Just like to get a warrant,
45:54you also have to have that reasonable cause.
45:57Yes, exactly.
45:58So I hope that clarifies that.
46:01So we were talking earlier on
46:03about gender-based violence,
46:05and I think one of the things
46:05that ASP Calabane wanted to bring to the fore
46:09was that social media influence
46:12and influences as it relates to that trigger
46:17and how women react to certain things.
46:19Yes.
46:20There's a trend that you're seeing,
46:21we're seeing now on social media,
46:23where there's also women on women violence.
46:26So as I remember, I told you about,
46:27we shattered the ceiling
46:29and sometimes we use any pieces
46:30to cut our own selves.
46:32So we as women also have to display
46:34and depict a particular behavior as well.
46:37Matter of fact, in the US,
46:38there's a woman based
46:39and she literally hired a hitman
46:43to kill another social media content creator
46:46based on a rift they were having on social media.
46:49So social media also has its triggers
46:52and people need to be able
46:53to use social media properly
46:56to promote healthy things,
46:57to promote good living,
46:58not for the, what you would as a trini,
47:01balance to the bacchanal
47:02and the chaos that can cause violence
47:04against women, young men, young girls,
47:07and even men.
47:08So we need to also manage
47:09how we engage on social media.
47:12Well, certainly, you know,
47:13that's why we have a cyber unit
47:14to also kind of monitor those things.
47:17Well, you see, we don't,
47:18how do you monitor when you're thinking
47:20it is just a little keyboard battle happening
47:23that escalates outside of the virtual realm
47:26into reality?
47:27We are not equipped to read minds,
47:30cyber is not that.
47:31So you can't really engage on that level.
47:33But however, like for instance,
47:34the example I gave you in the US,
47:36she would have literally engaged a hitman
47:40on the dark web
47:42and that's what would have triggered
47:43off the FBI investigation.
47:46Oh, that's certainly,
47:48I didn't read that particular story.
47:49I'll send the article for you.
47:50But it's certainly, you know,
47:51very worrisome that, you know,
47:53something like that, so simple,
47:55it could escalate into such a dangerous situation.
47:58Moving from, as I said,
47:59from the virtual into reality
48:01and be literally going to cause harm
48:03or death to another person.
48:06So we're going down into this
48:0816 days of activism here.
48:11And I'm sitting there,
48:13certain messages that you would want to send,
48:15especially young women who,
48:18or even women in general,
48:19who are in situations
48:21where they feel there is no out.
48:23What will you tell those people
48:25how do you think that they can
48:26get out of the situations
48:28that they believe there is no out?
48:30One of the things that I always tell women
48:33who I have engaged over the years
48:35with domestic violence
48:36is that it doesn't just involve you.
48:39Because sometimes they go back,
48:40they believe that the partner has changed,
48:42but it involves the brother,
48:44it involves the father,
48:45it involves the community
48:47because so many people get engaged,
48:49involved, sorry,
48:50when a domestic violence occurs
48:52within our community.
48:53And then it becomes a bit daunting
48:56when you see the reconciliation
48:58or the person runs back to the violence.
49:00But remember, it's a process
49:02for somebody who's abused
49:03to be, to come out of that
49:05an abusive mental state.
49:07And not only that,
49:08they think about the children.
49:09The children are always
49:11or mostly used as pawns.
49:13So what we want to do is encourage women.
49:15We have online engagement.
49:17We have even what the law has done
49:19over the years has been amended
49:21to engage whereby we can get
49:23to eliminate some of the bureaucracy
49:25where protection orders
49:26can be obtained a little easier.
49:29Through our online engagement
49:30and engagement from our FDO
49:32can have emergency
49:33or interim protection order put in place.
49:36I know sometimes persons think
49:37that the protection order does nothing,
49:39but it does.
49:40It gives the police the power
49:42to action quicker.
49:43And we also, as police officers,
49:46I want, this is some message
49:47from my police officers
49:48to take every report.
49:50Do not make any report.
49:52Don't judge it.
49:53Yeah, make it trivialize it in any way.
49:55Take every report as is.
49:56And we have to stay steadfast
49:59because sometimes in the job, Mark,
50:02you try and she left once.
50:04She left twice.
50:05We involved the police.
50:06We involved the support system.
50:07We involved the faith-based systems.
50:10And she goes back again.
50:11And she continues to go back.
50:13I'm sorry to cut you.
50:14The senior superintendent
50:16Powder indicated a couple of days ago
50:19that one of the important things
50:20is to build a file management
50:22unit so that you can keep track
50:25of prospective victims
50:27and how they're getting on.
50:29Yes.
50:30Well, demand power to keep with it.
50:33That can be a challenge for us.
50:35But what we are trying to do
50:36is educate our officers,
50:37not just the officers
50:38within the unit itself,
50:40but all of TTPS.
50:42So that what we can do
50:43is do that partnership
50:45so that they too can support us
50:47in checking in on the victim.
50:48Hey, when we have our comes that,
50:50hey, listen, this lady,
50:51several reports have been made.
50:53We're going to engage
50:53the station district
50:54so that they can go past
50:55and say, hi, how are you doing?
50:56So that the husband,
50:57the uncle, the brother, whoever,
50:58the abuser can know
51:00that they're getting that support,
51:01that the reports have been made
51:03and we are checking in
51:04and following up on it.
51:05I know that is a work in progress.
51:07It is a work in progress.
51:08I am optimistic and hopeful
51:10like the rest of Trinidad and Tobago
51:12that it will become something
51:13of a reality so that it will better
51:15be able to assist the police
51:17in how they treat and get assistance
51:20for those victims.
51:21On that note,
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53:16Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
53:30I'm your host Mark Bassant,
53:31joined today by ASP Bain Keller
53:33from the Trinidad and Tobago
53:35Police Service,
53:35Moncton Branch,
53:36where she's here in her capacity
53:37to talk about gender-based violence.
53:40And we want to quickly take you
53:41to this clip here.
53:43It's not local,
53:44but it's very symptomatic
53:46of what we see here a lot as well.
53:49You're going to see three men or so
53:53entering the premises
53:54where a woman is getting out of a vehicle
53:57or just pulled into a driveway
54:01and she's attacked
54:03by these assailants.
54:09So they're trying to gain entry
54:10into the car,
54:10of course,
54:11trying to open the trunk,
54:12would have struck one of the glasses
54:15on the left side of the vehicle
54:19while the driver pulls up
54:21and waits for them there.
54:23Why is she not driving off?
54:27And so the woman
54:30is brought out of the car.
54:32She dragged onto the ground,
54:33they tried to rummage through her
54:36personal pockets or whatever.
54:38I think they took something from the trunk.
54:41So ASP Bain Keller
54:45my apologies.
54:46This is something we see in Trinidad
54:47and Tobago happening.
54:48Just recently,
54:49a lady was robbed of her valuables
54:51in Vancing after being followed by the bank.
54:53She ran out of the car,
54:54they took her currency.
54:56And as we get into this Christmas season,
54:59I just want you to your final message
55:02to women,
55:03not just about being cognizant
55:05of your surroundings
55:06when you go to do certain business activities,
55:09but in terms of how they deal
55:10with situations at home.
55:12Yes.
55:12Well, one of the things
55:13that from the video,
55:14you'll get a situational awareness.
55:16You have to have situational awareness.
55:18Right now,
55:20the crime,
55:20we have some challenges,
55:22but it doesn't mean that the police
55:23are not doing what they have to do.
55:24We are on patrol.
55:25We are out there.
55:26We are on the beat.
55:27However, you need to do your part.
55:29Do not make yourself a soft target.
55:30You need to have situational awareness.
55:32What I observe sometimes
55:33when I go to the mall,
55:35I see women sitting in their cars.
55:37I see them with 10 and 15 bags coming out.
55:40Sometimes they're on their cell phone.
55:42So you have to be aware.
55:44Matter of fact,
55:45I was exiting on a conversation.
55:47My phone rang and I said,
55:48hey, I'm heading into my car.
55:49Give me 15 minutes
55:51and then I'll call you back
55:52because I want,
55:52sometimes I pass my car
55:54straight in the car park.
55:55If I see two,
55:56if I, when I,
55:56when I park and I see two different cars,
55:58when I return,
55:59I'll pay attention
55:59to the two vehicles that are there
56:01and then I'll pass my car straight
56:03and then walk back to see
56:04if there's anybody in the car.
56:05So there's always,
56:06you always have to have
56:08that situational awareness.
56:09What I would also want
56:11to empower women to do
56:13is to let people know where you are.
56:14Let them know about your movements.
56:16Let them know you're coming home.
56:17Call.
56:18I can't see the position
56:20of the cameras there,
56:20but I would,
56:21I would have liked to see
56:22what was our opportunity to drive off.
56:25Certainly,
56:26and you have to leave it at that,
56:27of course.
56:28Repeat tonight at 11.
56:30We run tomorrow at 11 o'clock
56:32in the morning.
56:33Guess what?
56:34The TV6 News is up next.
56:35Stay right there.
56:41I've got eyes on your body.
56:53The top.
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