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02:59Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:16I'm your host, Marc Besant.
03:17Sitting in for Brit News, of course, in some other parts of the world for the next couple of days.
03:24I'm happy to tell you that we are actually joined today by ASP from the Mounted and Canine Branch, Rene Bain Keller.
03:31Mrs. Keller, welcome.
03:33Thank you so much.
03:34So we're actually catching up a little bit today with what Mrs. Keller does at the Mounted and Canine Branch.
03:42And of course, they had a recent book drive.
03:44Yes, we did.
03:45That she's going to tell us a little bit about.
03:47And other topics that we are going to delve in, of course, today.
03:51One of them is very topical and continues to be something that a lot of people are interested in.
03:58And of course, really need the assistance of police, a lot of business people.
04:02And that is extortion.
04:04And of course, gangs or a particular gang being responsible for a number of this type of crime across the East-West Corridor.
04:15So I guess the first thing we want to talk about, and a lighter note, of course, is the book drive that was recently held by the Mounted Branch.
04:24Yes.
04:25So what happened in Mounted Branch, we recognize we do a lot of outreach programs.
04:29And we also engage with a lot of special needs children.
04:32And we partner with a lot of churches, communities, and also schools.
04:38So what we recognize is that sometimes when the teachers come, you can tell that they're trying.
04:44And you can look around the children.
04:45We're very observant on the kampong.
04:47And you can tell that there was a need.
04:49And we also wanted, especially parents with special needs children, there's also the medication, the therapy.
04:55And we felt that by supporting them with a book drive, it would give them that ease of burden.
04:59And also, one of the things I keep telling my team is not always, we don't want the TTPS to be viewed as only punitive.
05:06We are about restoring communities, restoring families.
05:09So we felt that by this community engagement, we can also use it as an initiative to build trust.
05:15And to also let the children know, and the parents, and the people, the citizens that we serve, that we care.
05:20So we recently came together.
05:22It's totally out of pocket with some friends, some family.
05:26I have a following on Facebook.
05:28So I kind of used that opportunity to put it out there on social media.
05:32And we had a huge uptake.
05:34And we decided to use the Child Challenge.
05:37We just put a little spin on it.
05:39So what we did is that we just took a couple of the bags, and we put it there.
05:42And we used the horses to support the initiative to create some more engagement.
05:47And if you watch the video, you'll see how we applied that initiative.
05:50And this was actual textbooks, school textbooks.
05:52Well, not textbooks, because we didn't want to narrow it.
05:55So what we did is a lot of stationary, the book bags, which were quite expensive.
06:00$350 for a book bag.
06:01That's crazy.
06:03So we looked at how we can support a parent.
06:07So if we save you that $350 cost on a book bag, that you can use that money now to purchase a textbook.
06:13Certainly a very benevolent endeavor by the TTPS.
06:18So I got the blessing from the superintendent, which is Mr. Soka.
06:22And he gave us the all-clear.
06:25So the team came together, Moncton and Canine, and donations, as I said, was made totally out of pocket.
06:30And so the officers, it's that we're using that opportunity to, as I said, to build our community engagement.
06:36Because, as I said, we need to show that we care, and it's also about restoring.
06:40Should we take a brief look at the video there among the branch?
06:44Today, we have an initiative that we want to launch with regards to the handing out of some school bags and school books to the underprivileged children.
07:05And it's an initiative from both the Moncton and Canine officers of this branch.
07:10Hi, I am ASP Bain Keller with Horse Hannibal, and we bought a geometry set and pencils.
07:20Billy Joseph, Moncton groom, I bring brown paper.
07:27Hi, I'm Inspector Didier, and I brought notebooks.
07:37Good morning, my name is Constable Tishera, I brought pencils.
07:47Good morning, I'm Sergeant Jolino, and this is Horse Ivan, and I brought paint brushes.
07:56Good morning, I'm Constable Ramsami with Horse Jasper, and I brought modelling clay and a ruler.
08:06Hi, I'm PC Lewis with Horse Jackson, and I brought scrapbook.
08:13Good morning, I'm Police Constable Bedell from the Moncton branch with Horse Jedder, and I brought a pencil case with pens and pencils.
08:23Hi, good day, I am Sergeant Phillip with Horse Hercules, and we brought the coloring book.
08:31Hi, I'm WPC Graves from Moncton branch, this is Horse Jamie, and I brought a pencil case.
08:42Hi, I'm Corporal Tannis from Moncton branch, and I brought lunch kits.
08:51Good morning, I'm WPC Joseph, and we brought paint and glue.
09:02Good morning, I'm Constable Lewis with Horse Hidalgo, I brought mats, an English textbook, and a case of pencils.
09:15Good morning, I am Sergeant Cherry, and I brought a soccer ball.
09:24On behalf of the Moncton and K-9 branch team, I would like to wish all the students who benefited from this initiative all the best for the new school term.
09:38May they be productive and free of crime.
09:54Those kids were very happy, how many kids did you talk about that actually benefited from this?
09:59So we are looking at maybe over 50 something so far, but what happened is that we ran out of bags, so we have to raise some more funds to get more stationery than the bags themselves.
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20:46So now we're going into the hot topic here.
20:48We're talking about extortion and organized crime.
20:52ASP Bean Keller, I want to put you on the spot very quickly here.
20:59We've seen an uptick in the last couple of months, I'd say even in the last year, about
21:05extortion along the east-west corridor, and particularly a particular gang, the resistance
21:11gang, you know, pushing eastward from St. Augustine onward to other areas, even as far
21:20as Piaco, St. Helena, and now even Macquarie quite recently, the farmers.
21:26And I know there are various challenges for the TTPs.
21:29Of course, you know, there's so much happening, and I guess, is it that the cooperation of
21:36these business people is a hindrance in you all getting to the root of this matter?
21:44Well, I wouldn't say it's a hindrance, and I want to just start off, you started off
21:48saying by extortion.
21:50Now, what we really treat with is demanding money by menace.
21:54That is what is in our law books.
21:56And when you say, so you are identifying, you called a gang, but I can't identify with
22:02that because there are several factors working within the criminal underworld, so to identify
22:09and say this one or that one, I wouldn't be able to give that an A here.
22:13But what I would want to say is that I do not think there is a hindrance with us partnering
22:19with the business sector or the persons who are affected by this crime demanding money
22:23by menace.
22:24What I would say is that the TTPs, we have been working assiduously, and you would have
22:31seen the results recently.
22:32We had several arrests stemming out of one case, really.
22:37It was 130-something charges.
22:40So we need to partner, the business community are partnering with us because what they do,
22:45they come to us sometimes to ask for the safety tips, what they can do to make themselves
22:49a hard target, and also to give us certain information.
22:54But I know there, as you highlighted, that you consider it a hindrance, but why did you
22:59use the word hindrance?
23:00Well, I mean, I would have written a piece about a month ago, The Rise of the Resistance
23:06Gang, as well as gangs.
23:08It was also on TV, and this was based actually on a Tribunal of Antobago Police Service report,
23:14intelligence report, that I saw and I spoke to people.
23:18And the modus operandi, of course, apart from killings and so on, a big part of this gang
23:25apparently along the East-West Corridor is demanding money by menace.
23:30Correct legal term?
23:32Yes.
23:33And one of the interesting things that we learned in that report, and speaking to senior
23:39officers in the specific units, is that they have been actually canvassing these areas,
23:46going there, speaking to business owners, and they have not said that they have not
23:51been extorted by this particular group, mostly.
23:56But I think the fear to come forward and actually give a particular police formal report is
24:03where it lies, because they don't know what the backlash is for their family, for themselves,
24:08or even people in their community.
24:11And there's also the threat of kidnapping.
24:14If you don't comply, in some way they have to send the message.
24:18And I think because of that, a lot of members of the public business people, I was actually
24:23speaking to an officer only up to yesterday about this, and he said it's particularly
24:29bad along the East-West Corridor.
24:31So I'm not trying to pull figures or blame one particular gang, but it seems that they
24:36have that modus operandi more so than the others, to apply that pressure from St. Augustine
24:43all the way up Aruka, Piaku, and Makoya, and so on.
24:49All right, so I have to go with data.
24:51And what our data is saying is that even though you are hearing this information, we also
24:55have business people, as I tell you, reach out to us and partnering with us.
24:59And the data has shown a severe increase, and you're also seeing where the business
25:04people are pushing back.
25:05They are giving somewhere.
25:06You're seeing that they are partnering.
25:08Within recent vintage, there was a circulation of a particular voice note, and you're hearing
25:13that they had that conversation.
25:15So what I'm saying is that they are also taking precautions to let them know that, listen,
25:19we are tired of this demand and money by menace.
25:22And they're also coming to police officers where they hire security.
25:25They hire either the police officers as an extra duty, or they hire their personal security,
25:30or as soon as they set up more or less like contractors when they go into particular areas
25:34and any particular gang approaches them, they would also notify.
25:39I know that firsthand where I was notified by a contractor, and we put things in place.
25:44So to say that there is something happening prevalent on the East-West Corridor, I can
25:48only tell you that within the last couple of years, we haven't had many reports of it.
25:53We have heard, just like you, you have heard, but we have no solid proof.
25:57I think more so because of the use of technology, business owners are making themselves hard
26:03targets, and they are also coming forward.
26:05So they're doing different things to protect themselves.
26:07But I do want you to bear in mind that a huge chunk of these business people are not rich,
26:13so they can't hire security personnel.
26:16There was an incident involving a crab seller about a year ago where he was being extorted
26:22and so on.
26:24And he became fearful for his life and he migrated.
26:28He left this country.
26:30And that's just one example.
26:31There are a number of things, of course, I know that sometimes the police don't know
26:35about it because the people are so fearful that they don't even say anything to the police.
26:39And I think having said that, I mean, the information I got was compiled in a report,
26:44a recent report, about this particular gang's operations and how they operate and what they
26:51do and so on, and how they have stretched across 2023 across the east-west corridor.
26:57And one of the interesting things...
26:59So you have given us that information, not just what you have in the article.
27:01You gave us the little granular information that you didn't have in the article as well.
27:04Well, no, everything here is basically from the article.
27:08It's quite detailed, of course.
27:10But I think officers have been trying and they've been on the ground.
27:16But one of the things I wanted to ask you, just before we go to the break, is that we
27:22have these people making calls to these people.
27:26What is the role and the function of the cyber unit in helping the investigators in pinpointing
27:34and pinging those towers and finding where these people are calling, whether it be from
27:39a burner phone or not?
27:41It must be a specific area.
27:43So we can zoom in on to find out where these people have been making these calls to various
27:48business people.
27:49Technology, of course.
27:50Right.
27:51So the use of technology and the techniques that we use in cyber, obviously.
27:54I can't release our techniques in public.
27:56I'm not asking you to release them.
27:58I'm asking you in terms of the cooperation of that unit to assist the investigators.
28:08And I know at times one investigator might be doing four cases.
28:12That might also be a constraint on them.
28:15Right.
28:16So I'm not asking you to reveal the techniques.
28:18I'm rather asking you if that is helpful in terms of a support to help these investigators
28:25get closer to catching these people.
28:28Of course it is a support.
28:29The use of technology, matter of fact, we are building our ICT.
28:33That's one of our strategic plans, where we continue to try to build our IT, our information
28:38and technology unit.
28:40And what we would do, if you could use Southwestern, it was based on the use of technology where
28:46they were able to intercept and charge a particular person based on that.
28:50So cyber, we are using the technology.
28:53I agree with you we may have some challenges with maybe the amount of the volume of the
28:58crimes that we deal with.
29:00But it is not to say that the technology isn't being applied.
29:04So it is being used.
29:06So in the interim, what we have also done is we have reinforced the contractors or the
29:11business owners, as I said, to make themselves hard targets, to make themselves situational
29:16in a way.
29:17So also by having their cameras, remember I spoke to you about having a camera, no backup
29:21system, to bring their motors up around there.
29:24They need to also look at the persons they hire as well.
29:27Because some of their movements is actually internal when you do your investigation.
29:31So they also need to do thorough background checks on the persons that they hire and also
29:36change up how they pay.
29:38Stop going on the job site with $100,000 to pay.
29:41If they don't have a bank account, don't have a proper ID, then don't hire them.
29:45But you know, we say that easily, but then everybody's out, business is for profit.
29:50So whereby when you can get that cheaper labor, it comes at a consequence as well.
29:54So they have to do their due diligence.
29:57All right.
29:58Let's take a break and resume this conversation when we get back.
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31:53Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
31:55I just want to remind you from tomorrow, the Women's CPL starts.
31:59And that will affect our time a little bit tomorrow.
32:02And Thursday, we'll actually be starting at 4.50 p.m.
32:05And on Friday, we'll be starting at 5.50 p.m.
32:09So don't forget those times.
32:11So, yes, we were speaking to ESP Bain Keller.
32:15Yes, Bain Keller.
32:16I almost said Keller B.
32:18It flows easier.
32:19Same thing.
32:20So this has become a big business for these criminals.
32:26It has really affected.
32:29The report speaks to people being asked to pay $3,000 to $6,000 weekly or monthly, as the case may be.
32:35Some of them are poor people.
32:37They have their vending on the roadsides in Kareni, in Piako, and so on.
32:43What assurances the police can give to these people to help to restore that trust, especially when they are going up against violent criminals?
32:54All right.
32:55So what I want to say is the police officers, we have a mandate where we're training officers.
33:01And we also have a reporting system where you can report any officer that you feel may be a part because of any nefarious activity.
33:11So you also have a part.
33:13The public also has a part to help us clean up our internal systems as well while we do our part to investigate our officers.
33:19Because we want to create a safe and secure organization where persons can come and make a report and believe that their report will be dealt with.
33:27And not just believe, get feedback on how their report is and some sort of redress on the report that's being made.
33:33I know with the high volume of crime and the level of distrust that you identified and, as you said, are hindrance.
33:40But it's not just a hindrance.
33:42We have to look at this as a partnership.
33:44If a crime is not reported, we would not be aware of it.
33:47We believe that if it is that you feel that the officers at the ground may not be able to treat with your issue, find that police officer.
33:55We have safe police officers.
33:57We have police officers with integrity and respect and dignity and pride.
34:02So we have all those officers internally.
34:04How do I find one of them though?
34:07How am I able to tell whether or not you are a good person or this is a good cop and that is a bad cop?
34:13How?
34:14It's difficult, right?
34:15It is difficult, I admit.
34:17But the same way, how can I tell a good journalist or a bad journalist?
34:20Just the same way that they come to you and they open up to you and you are able to gather information.
34:25It's because of the image that you portray and persons look on.
34:28It's from observation.
34:30Because my inbox, we have a lot of things just from persons hitting us up on social media.
34:37And also what we have also done is that we have the hotlines and we have the officers out there.
34:42That's why community engagement is so important for us because it helps us to build trust.
34:47And it helps persons to observe the way that officer operates to say, listen, I can come to him with that information.
34:53So it goes in the whole, I guess, in the whole spectrum of a person's integrity or ability to complete a report or to action a report.
35:04It comes with the same, as I said, with a journalist.
35:07It has, I guess, a connection, a vibe, the attitude, the know-how, the competency.
35:12Those are the things I want people to look for in order to find that trusting officer.
35:16But we have good officers.
35:19TTPS is really working hard to wean out any rogue officers and to make sure that we create a safe environment that people can come and get their reports dealt with and get some form of redress or justice.
35:31Well, I'm certainly glad that you brought that up because, I mean, in the report that I read from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service as it pertains to these gangs and its activities,
35:41it did speak about rogue elements in the police service assisting this particular gang or others as well in their nefarious activities.
35:51And it's really an indictment on the police service when you have rogue officers who are actually going into a system to pull out information, the VCDAC system,
36:02and provide it to criminals so that they can do their own investigation.
36:06And I think that is a little bit worrisome, as you said.
36:09And, of course, people have to feel safe.
36:12They have to feel reassured.
36:14Yes.
36:15They have to have that confidence.
36:17And the police officers, even if it's not in their own area, because I think sometimes you say if you go to another area that doesn't negate people from taking that report,
36:28whether it's, I'm in Tokyo, a crime has been committed, and I feel maybe a little bit scared that the officers are his friends.
36:35Yes.
36:36I might go to my area.
36:38I'm just saying.
36:39So I think the public trust, of course, is extremely important when we talk about not just the subject matter, but overall,
36:48and how is the police service trying to regain that trust, not just about business people,
36:54but I guess the trust that people think has waned considerably over the last year or two.
37:02So one of the things you recognize, we have a mandate where we are polygraphing officers as well.
37:07And in the training process, we are retraining.
37:10We're starting with the customer service.
37:12We are starting with ethics.
37:14So what we want to do is still remember to be trustworthy and to have integrity.
37:19That is also innate.
37:21So we are hoping that when we do our vetting, that these police officers are mindful,
37:26have the right moral values that we would want represented in TTPS.
37:33So by having also the polygraph to assist us, we can also tell.
37:38It's not a science that is used to tell the truthfulness of a person.
37:43So we want to use the technology as well.
37:46We want to use the training to incorporate what it means to serve or to be a call to service
37:52so that you do the writing and you make the right choices, even when no one is looking.
37:57So that's what we want from our officers.
37:59And I like how you said that a person in Toco may not feel safe to make the report
38:05because they believe that they can't trust, let's say, the police on that side,
38:09and they choose to go to Mearo.
38:12They identify that the officer there takes the initiative and assign other officers.
38:17So we and ourselves are active with making sure that if there is a distrust,
38:22we want to redress that problem.
38:24We will take on board the information.
38:26But remember, information is just that.
38:28We also have to have proof.
38:30And where does proof come from? The witnesses.
38:32So we need that cooperation with the community.
38:34Do you think that enough is being done in terms of background checks
38:39and recruits coming into the police service?
38:43I know that they usually post pictures of them on the newspaper
38:47and ask people, if you know this person, I guess, to get a sense of who they are,
38:52the communities that they come from, who they are related to, and so on.
38:56Yes, we have the lie detector test you referred to, polygraph, sorry.
39:03What else do you think needs to be added to that pot
39:07to ensure that we get upstanding officers in the TTPS?
39:12I would say one of the things I know we do is also a social media background check.
39:16So we look at your engagement on social media as well.
39:19So persons need to be mindful.
39:21It's not just us.
39:22It's the international standard now for any job that they look,
39:25they ask you, what is your social media handle?
39:28So they can look to see what kind of engagement you're having,
39:32if you're anti-government, anti-religion, anti-
39:36because right now it's all about diversity and inclusivity.
39:42So they want to make sure to see what you're posting, what you're saying.
39:46Matter of fact, you may have talked to a particular organization,
39:50and 15 years ago you made a comment, and they find that comment.
39:53So these are some of the avenues we are using technology to also engage
39:57to see how your mind is, because people go on social media,
40:00and they are, I want to say mindless, can we use the word mindless?
40:03Because they're loose, because they feel that they can just say what they want
40:07on the social media, but businesses are watching, and we are watching as well.
40:10Well, definitely social media is an entirely different discussion,
40:17and how people operate on social media very openly,
40:21and post information that might not always be correct.
40:25And of course, as journalists, we have to verify that,
40:28even if it's something that happened that we need to report on.
40:30Well, it's the same work for us.
40:31It's the same work.
40:32Sometimes they post something, and it ends up being a public,
40:36something a public interest.
40:37Sometimes it's not even from our country, right?
40:39We have had instances where you may see a video with a parent
40:43disciplining a child in an abusive manner, and it goes viral.
40:47And then when you do your checks again, we recognize it's not even in our country.
40:52So that's how dangerous, I said, that social media can be,
40:55and it could work negative against you when we are looking to hire you.
40:58We want to see your engagement.
41:00Certainly.
41:02So I think we're going to take a very short break here now,
41:06and we'll come back with more.
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42:39Welcome back to Beyond the Tape, and we want to encourage our callers
42:51to call us at 623-1711, extension 1992-1993 and 1997.
43:00So, we're going to put ASP Ben Keller on the spot here.
43:05So, just today in the newspapers, the PCA head, Mr. West,
43:11was asking about any body cam footage from these alleged police killings
43:16that took place over the last couple of months.
43:19And, of course, Minister Hines says that he does not have enough facts
43:23to comment on the concerns raised by him.
43:27Well, I would want to say the same.
43:29I don't have enough facts on the concerns raised by him.
43:32But, however, we have been engaging in training.
43:34There are, in fact, body-worn cameras that are being used within each division.
43:39I know Mr. Hines spoke about more being ordered
43:43and more going to be in circulation.
43:46Our officers out on patrol, especially our frontline officers,
43:49they are equipped with a body cam.
43:51As to what Mr. West is speaking about, I cannot comment
43:54because I don't have that information either.
43:57I mean, when we look at various units, the task force, for instance,
44:02in the various divisions, they are very front and center.
44:05Of course, they're going on operations together with gang intelligence units,
44:09et cetera, et cetera.
44:11And to your knowledge, at least, if you can,
44:14do you know of instances where they have been actually using the cameras,
44:18these body cameras at all?
44:19Well, I can speak from the division I came from,
44:21which was Northeastern Division, and we did, in fact,
44:24make sure that every patrol that goes out, the body cam is operational
44:29because you have, as I told you, they have received the training.
44:32The mandate is for every single officer to be trained.
44:35Matter of fact, I have already applied for Mountain Branch as well
44:38because I want us not just to be only engaging in community engagement.
44:41I want us to also have a part in our crime patrols, in our crime prevention.
44:45So we're going to be out there.
44:47So once we receive that training, we are going to be out there
44:50with the body-worn cameras as well.
44:52As I said, it's a mandate.
44:54It's all technology, but it's kind of not relatively bringing into our landscape
44:59over the past couple of years.
45:01And hopefully, once we get all the training and all the equipment we need,
45:05every officer, once he's on patrol, will have a body-worn camera.
45:08Okay, great.
45:10We actually have a caller.
45:11Caller, good afternoon.
45:13Good afternoon to everyone there.
45:16Good afternoon.
45:17I have a question for the officer.
45:21Go ahead.
45:22Hi.
45:23My question is, I've noticed lately there are so many different color lights
45:29on vehicles.
45:31Let me tell you, police, normally blue for the regiment will be green,
45:36prisons will be green.
45:38But now you see so many, like, security vehicles have all these different
45:42lights on them.
45:43What does that mean to me as a driver of the nation's roads?
45:47Because sometimes they must be coming through hard,
45:49and you don't have to pull on the side or give them way.
45:52What does it mean?
45:53That is one.
45:54Secondly, is Jaywalking still on the books in Trinidad and Tobago?
45:59And my final question is, this is from personal knowledge,
46:05somebody got in an accident with a vehicle, went to the police station,
46:10made the report, then all the documents were seen.
46:13When they went back into the insurance to collect,
46:16they say here that the vehicle that was wrong does not have insurance.
46:24Is there anything that the police could do from that?
46:27Because they went into the police station, both parties,
46:29and make a report.
46:31That's my contribution.
46:33Well, that was a lot.
46:34Thank you, Kuala.
46:35Well, I guess we'll have to take them one by one.
46:37So she'll start with the first, with the lights.
46:39Right.
46:40So the lights, that comes from licensing.
46:42It could be a licensing issue whereby the vehicle will have to be inspected
46:45and outfitted and registered for that.
46:48I can't say of the security firms that he's speaking of,
46:51but he did identify fire being red, prisons and army green, and police blue.
46:55So we are registered for that.
46:58We are authorized to have those lights.
47:00As for the security firms, I know I saw,
47:02I think they have like a lighter swivel version,
47:04but it would be registered for that.
47:08If I can't, he didn't speak of, if they have siren,
47:11if he has to pull aside when the light is on, that's a different thing.
47:14So I can't understand, I didn't understand the dynamics of that.
47:17If he's saying when he sees the light, if he just pulls aside,
47:19or if there's a siren accompanying the light.
47:22Well, I mean, there have been people actually importing blue lights and so on.
47:26Yes.
47:27Illegally, of course.
47:28I mean, it's brought in legally.
47:29Yeah.
47:30And then they put it on their dashboards.
47:32Criminals are using it apparently.
47:34I'm just saying, you have sirens.
47:36I guess you're trying to figure out whether or not the sirens were on.
47:39On, right.
47:40I don't know what you're saying that they brought in legally,
47:43but you can bring in certain things in your hand luggage,
47:46and it may not come through customs,
47:48so there's no custom or checks and balance with respect to bringing in those lights.
47:52So I would want to be cautious in saying that they're bringing it legally.
47:54If you know of any place that is selling it,
47:56I would definitely take that information and treat with that,
47:59because it's not lawful unless licensing says that you can.
48:03It's registered for that, and it also has to be registered for purpose.
48:06Just as a point of clarity,
48:08is it that security firms are allowed to have sirens, flashing lights on their vehicles,
48:14and if so, for what purpose?
48:16Right.
48:17That's why I said fit for purpose,
48:18because we have security firms that do private patrols.
48:21You have the banks.
48:22You have communities who hire their own private patrols,
48:25so those vehicles will be registered.
48:27They're also painted with the company's logo,
48:29so those vehicles are fitted for purpose.
48:31So that is what I would want to get some more information.
48:33If you just have a plain car with flashing lights and sirens.
48:36Right.
48:37Definitely.
48:38I can't recall the second question.
48:39Jaywalking.
48:40You spoke about jaywalking.
48:41I would have to get some more information,
48:43because I know the offense jaywalking is something that's used.
48:45It's a very dark thing.
48:46Yeah, and it's used.
48:47I'm not sure if it's used here, but I know for sure it's used abroad.
48:50In the United States, it is.
48:51Right.
48:52It is an offense, because what happened,
48:53they have assigned crosswalking areas.
48:55You cannot.
48:56Like how we cross any random way in the streets.
48:58So I'm not sure how applicable.
49:00Boris Manner.
49:01Yeah.
49:03Correct.
49:04Correct.
49:05So I would want to do some more research and get back to the caller,
49:08because we have, because of how our road structure,
49:11some of the places may not be assigned.
49:14There may not be assigned crosswalks,
49:17so persons have no other choice but to cross where they can.
49:20So I would definitely like to get some more information,
49:23do some more research, and give him feedback on my next attendance here.
49:26Most definitely.
49:27And the third is?
49:30What did he tell you?
49:31There was an accident, if I recall,
49:34and perhaps they both went to the police station,
49:37and one of them did not have insurance.
49:39Of course, that's illegal.
49:40Illegal, yes.
49:41So they're going to be charged.
49:42An investigation is going to be conducted,
49:44and they're going to be charged, yes.
49:45Well.
49:46But they should be charged.
49:47They should be charged.
49:48Yes.
49:49And what will have to happen now,
49:51he will have to take some civil recourse.
49:53Yes.
49:54Yeah.
49:55They will have a criminal, and he can take a civil recourse for that.
49:58All right.
49:59All right.
50:00So I hope those questions of yours were answered,
50:03and we're going to take a short break,
50:05and we'll be right back.
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52:11Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
52:13And we are having a conversation here with ASP René Bean Keller
52:16from the Mountain and Canine Branch.
52:18We just want to conclude quickly.
52:20Body cams.
52:21And I'm sure the public will agree that there's always been a contention
52:26when there's a police shooting involving people.
52:29And if there's no hardcore video evidence in most cases,
52:33it tends to go either way.
52:35And then you lead to a coroner's inquest and so on.
52:38And I think there was an incident involving some men in Mova
52:41a couple of years ago.
52:43There was CCTV footage which showed.
52:46Otherwise, I think that with the officers being charged and so on,
52:50that matters before the court, of course,
52:52so I don't want to make any pronouncements.
52:54But I think, officer, if you can tell us,
52:57if you think that those body cams will be able to assert the public's confidence
53:02more in the police's ability to do their job and do it properly.
53:06I agree.
53:07I think it will.
53:08And the body cam can work both ways.
53:10It can exonerate and it can incarcerate.
53:13And it has its purpose in law to protect my officers,
53:17and I think it will also give accountability in their actions
53:20and also the public actions,
53:22because it's not just the allegations being levied against us.
53:25What about the public actions towards us as well?
53:28We know an officer may also have an allegation
53:30about how a citizen may have interacted with him.
53:34So it also protects him as well.
53:36And I think having that accountability will definitely build trust
53:40because then we can have a fair side of a story as from the body cam.
53:45But outside of the body cam, as you just stated,
53:47we also have IC witnesses,
53:49and we also use the technology surrounding businesses or residents
53:53where they may have their cameras as well
53:55so that we have different sides of the story being told from different angles,
53:59not just the body cam.
54:01And I think it's important for us to continue to push the initiative of the body cam,
54:06as you said, to engender that safety, security,
54:09and I want it for my officers, and my officers want it.
54:11We want to embrace technology.
54:13It's part of our mandate.
54:14So yes, as I said, TTPS is working on it,
54:17and I agree with you that it is necessary.
54:19It's a necessary tool.
54:20Well, I imagine the public remains optimistic on that note,
54:23and hopefully these body cams will be used more effectively
54:28so that the public, of course,
54:30will feel confident that justice is served in one way or the other.
54:35And just on a lighter note, of course,
54:37we know Independence Day is coming up.
54:39I know the Mounted Branch is usually involved a lot with these celebrations.
54:42We are heavily involved.
54:43So give us a little sneak peek.
54:45Well, the sneak peek is there is history is going to be made,
54:49so I would encourage the public to tune in for this 62nd Independence.
54:55So history is going to be made.
54:57Training has already started.
54:58It started since in June.
55:00As you know, we partner with the Army officers as well.
55:04So tune in.
55:05We're going to have a surprise on the Independence parade.
55:07The history incorporated.
55:09You are part of that history by any chance?
55:11May or may not be.
55:13Okay.
55:14Well, a woman of mystery there.
55:16We will leave it at that for now.
55:19So I guess anything else you want to add?
55:22Of course, before we wrap up here,
55:25any tongue-in-cheek things the police is having for you soon?
55:29Well, for me, I can only speak for Mounted Branch,
55:32but our tongue-in-cheek meetings are an ongoing thing
55:34because we need to engage the public.
55:36There is a tongue-in-cheek meeting on the 21st of August in 2024,
55:396 p.m. in Woodbrook tomorrow.
55:42So I guess we want to encourage us in your area.
55:44Yes.
55:46Who needs to rely on ministries?
55:48Yes.
55:50So I guess, you know, some of the concerns that you're going to raise.
55:54But one of the concerns that I want to raise still,
55:56it's still in the August, we're still in the August holidays.
55:58I want parents to really be cautious
56:00and their caregivers to be cautious with the children.
56:03I want compliance on the nation's road.
56:05We were just talking about how we cross the streets.
56:07You still have to look left, look up, down before you cross the street.
56:11So I want persons to be compliant.
56:13We have roadblocks.
56:15Be compliant with the officers.
56:16We are there to do our job.
56:18We are there to protect and serve with pride.
56:20And all I'm asking for the public is to partner with us,
56:22give us the information.
56:24We need to build our trust.
56:26We need to partner with the communities to restore them
56:28so that we can get and control and prevent crime.
56:32Thank you so much for your time.
56:34We're just about time, but remember tomorrow at 4.50 p.m.
56:38be on the tape because of the Women's CPL starting tomorrow.
56:41Until then, have a good night.
56:43Good night.
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