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02:20Good evening Trinidad and Tobago and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
02:28My name is Whitney Husbands and we welcome you.
02:30Today is Tuesday the 23rd of July.
02:33Now we saw that we had yet another bloody weekend and we're seeing that the TTPS is
02:38still working very hard to find a way to control the crime situation in Trinidad and Tobago.
02:44We have seen many officers come in the show to speak about their different divisions and
02:48today we have representing the Western Division Acting ASP Lynch who is here with us and we
02:55would like to welcome you.
02:56How are you today sir?
02:57I'm good, I'm good.
02:58I'm good.
02:59Thanks for being here.
03:00Yes.
03:01I want to say good afternoon to Trinidad and Tobago and to your wider viewership.
03:04Yes.
03:05Thank you for being here.
03:06Yes.
03:07So ASP has run Lynch.
03:08This is an opportunity to let us know a little bit more what's going on in your division,
03:12knowing and seeing the things that are happening in Trinidad and Tobago with the crime situation.
03:17How is your division dealing with the gang activity, the criminal activities that are
03:21taking place?
03:22Well, in order to talk about the West, I want to start to talk about the leadership because
03:26we have been led by Senior Superintendent Henry and he really builds a culture of family,
03:32comradery and team.
03:34Actually, we just call ourselves Team Western.
03:36So you find that when we are confronted by upsurge in violence, one of the actions that
03:42we take, one of the responses is to come together as a management team and discuss
03:46strategies as relates to how we can curb the crime.
03:49It would be remiss of me to not talk about the stakeholders who have been helping us
03:53in that crime fight.
03:54The municipal police, the Government Regional Corporation, those officers have made themselves
03:59available to support us in our patrols and other things.
04:02We also want to talk about the traffic wardens who have been instrumental in our traffic
04:09operations, both in St. James and throughout the division, and the refereeing branch, which
04:13is also a part of the TT base, but they also, because of their proximity to us, by which
04:18they are operating from Carnage, when they are not on the scene, they normally help us
04:22with some of our anti-crime patrols and operations in the Western Division.
04:26How is the persons in the community assisting, and when I'm saying assisting, helping the
04:32TTPS with not just the information, but trying to build trust with you all?
04:37Well you know that building of trust in the community is a work in progress, because unfortunately
04:42there are some persons who have difficulty trusting the police, and as you know, one
04:46of our mandates in terms of our strategic plan is that whole community engagement, so
04:51we're trying to build partnerships.
04:53So we have been utilizing some of the traditional platforms, the community walkabouts, the tongue
05:00meetings.
05:01I know on the last occasion Mr. Russell spoke about the vibrant tongue councils that we
05:05have in the division.
05:06Is it working in your division?
05:07Yes, definitely, definitely, because we actually have nowhere, some of the senior officers
05:11have been into some of the WhatsApp groups, so you find that it is an opportunity for
05:17the police to get information a little more faster sometimes in terms of the social media
05:21platforms, so we can respond a little quicker.
05:24Obviously we have our part to play in terms of building that confidence in the public
05:27in terms of how we respond to crime, making ourselves available, and that's being true
05:31to you, when we say we're going to do something, we say we're going to respond to our crime,
05:34we respond to the crime.
05:36And the cooperation from the public persons in the area, community?
05:41Well I believe the public, I mean one of the difficulties for the public obviously is because,
05:45I mean let's be real, they are afraid to interface with the officers by virtue of what is happening
05:51in the country, but for the most part the villagers have been receptive, they are making
05:56themselves available obviously, again it really comes down to that trust between law enforcement
06:00and the community, but I think for the most part we have been seeing an uptick as it relates
06:04to our assistance from the community and our community engagement.
06:07Okay, we'll continue more with the initiatives that you all have in place within the division
06:11and ways in which the community could assist the TTPS at this time, let's take a look with
06:16our headlines today, what happened over the weekend, Monday and today.
06:34Love you daddy, my dear sweet daddy, you make me happy.
07:04Love you daddy, my dear sweet daddy, you make me happy.
07:34A lot has unfolded today and let's go straight into the first line of defence that you all
07:50or the public will be faced with, will be officers and again we always stress that the
07:56officers are not robots, they are human beings and in this case an incident took place when
08:01an officer was shot in the chest and I'm not sure how far the investigation is with
08:08this matter, but the bullet hit the officer in his chest and this was clearly not by mistake,
08:16they were looking to shoot someone.
08:18Yes.
08:19How was the officer, what is happening with the officer?
08:21Before I get into what is happening with the officer, this thing really affected me and
08:26my colleagues in a real deep way because this officer was injured in the line of duty,
08:30he was injured serving his country.
08:33So I just want to say that if nothing else is going to cause us to be even more resolute
08:38in our response, this is this action, but I also want to, in my drive down the road
08:41I recognise that there are some information circling around, but we are going to be very
08:45firm but fair in our response.
08:47As it relates to the officer, just about an hour before I came onto the programme, the
08:53officers were visited by some, and my information is that he is progressing, he is doing a lot
08:58better than yesterday and we are praying and hoping that he makes a full recovery.
09:02He was not the target?
09:04Well, without sharing too much obviously, my information is that they responded to a
09:09report of a shooting, so it's almost like they drove into an incident and they were
09:13confronted by the persons.
09:15Okay, now the police commissioner came out and made a statement on what transpired with
09:22the officer being shot in that area.
09:25Now she stated, as police commissioner, I am deeply concerned about the recent incident
09:30in which one of her officers was shot and wounded while performing his duties.
09:35This and any act of violence committed against any officer of the Trinidad and Tobago Police
09:40Service is absolutely unacceptable and will not be taken lightly.
09:45So, I believe this is a clear message to individuals, even though the police may not have been targeted,
09:51the way in which we are seeing these criminals themselves, the way in which they act, they
09:57don't care about anyone.
09:59And as an officer, how do you feel about this?
10:01Because it is showing now, if you could shoot an officer unknowingly or unknowingly, it's
10:08almost like we're gone.
10:10Where's the hope?
10:13As I indicated before, this really demonstrates to the general public that police officers
10:18are also human beings, just like everybody else, and we are also affected by crime.
10:22We are in fact a product of the community.
10:24And as I indicated before, we will be resolute.
10:27It has shaken the organization, but we are still resolute in our response.
10:32I just want to also add to this matter that it was happening that the executive, there
10:36were two executive members, so I recognize that the executive is behind the officer,
10:40but they made themselves available, they went to the hospital and visited the officer this
10:44morning, and they stayed at the hospital until the wee hours of this morning, and they had
10:48a debrief with the officers, and also interacted with the relatives of the officer that was
10:52shot.
10:53So, I just want to let the officer know that we have his back, and we're going to see this
10:57matter through.
10:58As it relates to the investigative side of the matter, again, without sharing too much,
11:02it is my information that a vehicle was in fact recovered, and the officers are in fact
11:07pursuing some strong leads, and they have some information as to who may have been the
11:11suspects.
11:12They have some persons of interest.
11:14Yeah.
11:15ASP Lynch, the equipment that you all use from the body cams that persons always say
11:19why you all don't have the body cams, we saw that it is not one way steady enough that
11:25could really withstand the movement and the activities you are involved with.
11:28Yes.
11:29Apart from that, the bulletproof vests that you all are using, is it inferior bulletproof
11:34vests, or you all have to upgrade these vests?
11:37Because you see in the type of weapons that are on the nation's roads and in the communities
11:42now.
11:43What I can say to that matter is that we did have an engagement with the DCP yesterday
11:47on that same issue.
11:49It was just so unfortunate that that conversation happened before this incident, and the DCP
11:53in fact gave the assurance that the service is in fact looking into that matter with a
11:57certain amount of urgency.
11:58So much so that some vests have been procured, and they are presently being tested by the
12:04TTR to see if they can withstand the effects of some of the ammunition that we've seen.
12:09We've seen 5.56, 7.62, unprecedented that those ammunitions have been brought to the
12:14nearest one.
12:15On completion of the testing, obviously they're going to procure the vests out for the officers.
12:20So we know that bulletproof vest is a contentious issue, but the executive has assured us through
12:26the commissioner that they are in fact being able to recognize the importance of the matter,
12:30and it is going to be dealt with in the shortest possible time.
12:33The type of firepower that we're seeing, does the TTPS have the same firepower or even stronger
12:38to combat what we are seeing on social media and right here on the show?
12:42Well, without disclosing some of our tradecrafts, what I can say is that some of the operational,
12:47we do have weapons that can match that type of firearm.
12:51So the TTPS has been outfitted, and we are continuing to do that revision as it relates
12:56to the type of firearms that we use as law enforcement.
12:58But for the most part, I think we are equipped, and as I indicated before, we're not going
13:02to be shaken by this.
13:03We're going to deal with this matter frontal.
13:05Just to add before we move on, as I said before, I got some information coming on that there
13:09are some persons saying that the police officers can't come in particular areas.
13:13Well, yeah, it seems like that to me.
13:15No, I just want to let the public know that that is not the case.
13:19We can go anywhere, and we will be resolute, and we will not be shaken by this matter.
13:24Okay.
13:25So we are coming.
13:26The officers could show up in any area, any time.
13:28No, no.
13:29The TTPS, the Trinidad and Tobago police, as I indicated before, we're going to be fair,
13:33but if need be, we're going to be firm.
13:35Which we want.
13:36We want that firmness, definitely.
13:37Yes.
13:38Let me.
13:39Little Amara sings for Shaquem.
13:42My dear sweetheart.
13:44Condolences to the family here.
13:46We're slain, ride share, service driver.
13:51Shaquem Charles was serenaded for the last time by his daughter at his funeral service yesterday.
13:58Little Amara Charles stood next to the white coffin that bore the father's body with a
14:05powerful voice, which he sang, I love you, daddy.
14:08You make me happy, and I am sad.
14:11You'll always know, dad, how much I love you.
14:14I love you, my dear sweet daddy.
14:18So this was a little video that took place before he was laid to rest.
14:28I love you, my dear sweet daddy.
14:37This breaks my heart into a thousand pieces because this individual was just doing what
14:44most of us do every day, the law-abiding citizens, getting up to make an honest dollar to provide
14:51not just for himself, but also for his family.
14:55Individuals are just coming out here because they think they have the right to take someone's
14:59life, even though you will have the items already.
15:02Why take someone's life?
15:04I know you can't answer that.
15:06What I can say, though, is that we have so many resource challenges in the TPPS, human
15:11and otherwise.
15:13But if there's one thing that causes officers to get up in the morning and really be committed
15:16to their job, it's matters like these.
15:18Because I have children as well, and it really breaks my heart as well to see that this child
15:22is growing up without a father.
15:24But rest assured, as I said, I spoke to the officers involved in the matter, and the matter
15:28is still being pursued investigatively.
15:31And we will rest assured we will continue to investigate, just like all the other homicides.
15:36We will apply the requisite resources to see if we can bring those matters to some level
15:40of closure.
15:41We take a break, and when we come back, we will take some calls and continue the discussions.
15:45We'll be back.
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17:37Now, let's head to Mon Repo, where residents and TTPS officers were involved in an altercation.
17:45And I want you all to take a look at this.
17:52So there's one officer that we're seeing right now on the video.
17:56That is on the video.
17:58So I'm assuming there may be other officers around.
18:01But the residents are very hostile.
18:04What the officer is doing here, because he clearly sprayed something on the individual
18:11who came in his space, in his personal space, with an item that's bush, whatever.
18:16We still don't know what item that could be.
18:18As in, yes, we know it's bush, but it's something that could...
18:21Is it skin damage?
18:22We're not sure.
18:23But either way, it's an object in your hand, and you're opposing an officer who is trying
18:27to conduct something, because we still don't know the full details here.
18:31But was the officer right in what he did?
18:34Well, based on my knowledge of the clip, this really lifts up my spirit, because I know
18:38the commissioner and her executive have been placing enormous emphasis on user force training.
18:47And this really speaks to one of the degrees in terms of the user force option model.
18:51This is one of the options that the officer has, as opposed to going to the use of his
18:55firearm and the application of dirty force.
18:57So this is really the application of a chemical irritant, which is really just used so that
19:03we can gain some semblance of control over the asset and over the situation.
19:07So this is actually, to me, from my personal experience, the accepted way to deal with
19:13a matter such as this.
19:15But what residents, when a situation like this is happening, what should we do?
19:20Because it's getting worse, clearly, and everyone is getting angry and upset.
19:26How could, as citizens, when we are around this and seeing individuals acting in that
19:32manner, should we intervene?
19:34It's a cold situation.
19:36None of the officers are already there to deal with that.
19:38Well, having been exposed to situations like this in the past, I hold the view that, yes,
19:44the person, because remember, these are sometimes relatives involved.
19:47Relatives are wrong.
19:48So to me, one of the easiest persons to calm somebody down is a relative.
19:52So if you, as a relative, recognize that your brother or your sister or your uncle is behaving
19:56in a particular manner, then you can use that persuasion to get them to calm down.
20:01The difficulty, though, is that in some instances, the relatives actually agitate the matter,
20:07and then we end up to the proverbial or the wicked saying.
20:11So we sometimes are placed between a rock and a hard place, but if I was to advise,
20:16I would advise the public to try to calm down your relatives or your neighbors and allow
20:21the police officer enough space to do their job.
20:24But as I indicated before, I am heartened to see that this officer was operating in
20:29accordance with user force policy.
20:31So why do you think citizens are so brave to step to you?
20:34It shows that we know business about Toledo.
20:38August next year will make me almost 27 years in the service.
20:42And I share a sentiment sometimes that we are entering a space sometimes where the respect
20:47for the officers is not what it used to be.
20:50Yes, it's not theirs.
20:51But the thing with that is that we also have a part to play as law enforcement to build
20:54back that respect in terms of how we carry both ourselves, how we do our jobs.
20:58I always talk about the four Ps.
21:00Do your job with purpose, professionalism, patriotism, and bring those things back in.
21:08So that's kind of what we wanted to do.
21:10So in this case, residents who, I mean, I have to speak as a citizen because I am.
21:16And God forbid if I end up in a situation like this, remember, you're stomping ground.
21:21You're home, you're comfortable, officers show up, and you want to know what really
21:26happened, and you want to inquire.
21:28You have little drinks in your head.
21:30Because these things really happen.
21:32And it's not in one community it can happen.
21:35But many times we will blame the officer from what we're seeing here.
21:39They'll say he didn't need to do all of that.
21:41It was a plant.
21:42It was too extreme.
21:43But if he did draw a gun and shot him, then what?
21:46Because an officer could be in fear of his life, the amount of persons surrounding him.
21:51And we only saw him by the step making his way down from whatever transpired.
21:55Because we only saw a piece of the video.
21:57We don't know what really stemmed or started this.
22:00The thing about the use of force policy is that it is very clear in terms of the stages that we take.
22:05So once an officer follows the guidelines, more times than often his behavior will be supported.
22:11So you talk about starting at the lowest level in terms of police presence using your voice.
22:16You talk about communication, communicating to the individual that,
22:22you're doing something wrong, we need to intervene.
22:24Escort techniques, which might be using restraints.
22:27And then obviously you go to the stages where you might use mechanical control.
22:31And then as it is in this instance, the use of the chemical irritant.
22:35But again, as I said before, to me this was the accepted course because he did not resort to deadly force.
22:40Because from what I'm seeing there, it may not have warranted that type of action.
22:44But again, as I say, we are all human beings.
22:47We are all guided by emotions.
22:49It really is difficult sometimes, even for law enforcement, to be in a situation where you're adrenaline pumping
22:53and you want to stay in control.
22:55But again, I want to commend the officers for the way they handled their situation in this instance.
22:59And we always see incidents like this happening with residents being combative with the officers
23:06and really trying to stand their ground because they believe that they're right in what they're doing
23:11and what may have happened to them because we still don't know what the situation may have been.
23:17But in that case, persons should not escalate it further as citizens.
23:22I mean, officers are there to de-escalate.
23:24Yes, so definitely that's one of the training that we have as well in terms of our de-escalation methods and methodologies.
23:30So I suspect, again, I am only able to see a clipping.
23:33So I can't speak to the entirety of the situation.
23:36But yes, we do have that type of training as well in terms of de-escalation, how to de-escalate and not escalate.
23:41We have a call on the line. Let's take that call.
23:43Hello, good evening.
23:45Yes, good evening to you.
23:47Just a small observation here to improve the courtesy from the consumers.
23:51Whenever the program is going to be repeated, we are never told, you know.
23:56You just sit in there and you just see the same program as happened yesterday.
24:00So I don't know if you all could, and if you're doing a replay, is it possible for you to put the title replay
24:09so that we know, well, okay, this is what has been done already.
24:13Thank you so much. Thank you.
24:18All right, we'll get ready for another call shortly.
24:21Now, in the Western Division, what are some of the initiatives that we, or not we, but the TTPS, I should say,
24:29will be putting out there to try to help within the said community and division?
24:36The Western Division is part of a larger organization, and we are guided by the Commissioner's Violence Reduction Plan,
24:43and it really speaks to targeting hotspot areas, the power field, the hot times.
24:48So in the West, what we do, we follow the information. We follow the data.
24:52Because, again, as I indicated before, we don't have infinite resources,
24:55so we have to utilize the data to determine how we deploy our resources.
24:59Ideally, what we also, we spoke about the community engagement before,
25:02the utilization of the station council and the town meetings,
25:05and continue to build that partnership with the community.
25:08Because crime fighting is not just a law enforcement thing.
25:11I hold the firm view that all the stakeholders, both internal and external,
25:15really have to come on board for me to take back this country.
25:18I hope we understand the external part, which is us. We have a call on the line.
25:22Hello, good evening.
25:24Hello, good evening.
25:25Good evening, sir.
25:26Thank you, sir.
25:54Thank you, sir.
25:57No, no, no, but even in the absence of all the information
26:00as it relates to that particular incident,
26:02what I can say is that the executive is alive to what's happening in Tobago.
26:06And there are, in fact, officers who have been deployed to Tobago.
26:09I know that that deployment is continuing.
26:12It is the intention of the executive in the not-too-distant future
26:16to continue to do some operations,
26:18because we recognize that we are treated out on Tobago.
26:21Of course, it's one country.
26:23So we need to take back on Tobago.
26:25I mean, Tobago was like this paradise back in the days, unfortunately.
26:28Due to some of the gang and crime migration,
26:31we're seeing some upsurge in some of the gang violence.
26:34But the executive is alive to the issues in Tobago,
26:37and we are, in fact, deploying officers,
26:39and we'll continue to deploy officers
26:41to try to see if we can bring back some level of order to Tobago.
26:45All right.
26:46Is there any updates with Dr. Kumar Maraj?
26:50Well, as I indicated before,
26:52I did, in fact, communicate with the officers
26:54who are involved in the investigation.
26:56And to this day, to my knowledge,
26:58there's no new updates as it relates to that matter, unfortunately.
27:01But with that being said, we will continue to pursue the matter
27:04to see if we can bring some resolution to that incident.
27:07And anyone with information?
27:09Yeah, definitely.
27:10Please, at least, bring something.
27:12Because, as I said before, crime fighting is everybody's business.
27:15We are all affected by this thing.
27:18As a matter of fact,
27:19when I talk about police officers being affected,
27:21I recall a conversation I had yesterday
27:23with an officer in the Western Division,
27:25and she lost two of her brothers to gun violence.
27:27So it is not just affecting the citizenry,
27:29it is also affecting the law enforcement officers.
27:31So we have to continue to persevere,
27:33and we will continue to persevere, and we will get it right.
27:35Now, this is something that I'm just thinking in my mind here.
27:39Yes.
27:40But I know we have to go to the break,
27:42so when we go to that break and we come back,
27:45I'm coming to ask you that question.
27:46No problem.
27:47Just something that was playing in my mind,
27:48and I really want to reach out to you.
27:49No problem.
27:50We'll be back.
27:51No problem.
28:14We'll be back.
28:45This is Mary.
28:47Mary has bills to pay
28:49and takes a chance parking in front of the building
28:52at the no parking sign.
28:54Mary returns to her car,
28:56and this is what happens.
29:06Mary decides to call when she's five minutes away
29:09to let her daughter know that she is close by.
29:12But Mary forgot one thing.
29:21After two tickets,
29:23Mary just isn't paying attention to her speed.
29:43Don't be like Mary.
29:45Obey the laws of the road.
29:47A message from the TTPS.
30:01And we are back.
30:02We have Acton ASB has run Lynch with us,
30:05if you're now joining us.
30:06Now, you have the opportunity to call us as well.
30:08I want to go into two incidents
30:11that took place with two young ladies,
30:13different locations, different situations.
30:16We will start in Canada Hill, Lavontale,
30:19where 19-year-old Samantha Chady
30:22was killed with another person in a vehicle,
30:24and it's alleged that when they called the police
30:28for them to come on the scene,
30:30the officers stated,
30:31we don't come up there, these particular officers.
30:34So I don't know if it's a special unit,
30:36maybe that will usually go up in those areas.
30:38But you mentioned before,
30:39officers could go in any area in Trinidad and Tobago.
30:42But before you answer,
30:43I want you to take a listen to what the mother had to say.
31:06I wish this on nobody, boy.
31:08Nobody, I never wish this on, boy.
31:12All the little girls out there,
31:13they have to know all their friends, boy.
31:15Know all their friends,
31:16know the things that their friends are doing, boy.
31:18At least we won't go out with my child
31:19and shoot him like I can't kill my child, you know, boy.
31:23I have a question for them gunmen and them officers in Canada,
31:26will they ever have a right, boy?
31:27When they see a little child in the front seat, boy,
31:30they tell that child, hey, go home, girl.
31:33Shoot him, you can't kill the child, boy.
31:35He was supposed to be a grandmother, boy.
31:39Yesterday I was so happy.
31:41The day before yesterday,
31:42as a mother, I was so happy.
31:44I went to Harry Mann,
31:45one of my Muslim brethren,
31:47say, hey, we're going out there.
31:48I say, I know, mother,
31:49hey, you know,
31:50he's the name they give you in the hula.
31:52I say, what name is that, boy?
31:53I say, boy, they just call you big sister.
31:55I feel so happy to know my Muslim brethren,
31:57and them in Capo,
31:58they just call me big sister,
31:59even though I, you know, is not a Muslim.
32:03For me, big sister,
32:04I was so happy, boy.
32:06And the child born,
32:07I'm happy, boy.
32:08I don't kill my child, boy.
32:13The cries of a mother
32:14is one that
32:17no one wants to feel or know or experience.
32:20Yes, certainly.
32:21And the tears that fall from a mother's face,
32:23it is one that
32:25is undescribable.
32:27That pain
32:28that she is going through.
32:30Now,
32:32the criminal element cares about no one.
32:34We established that already.
32:36But I want you to answer where
32:38it's alleged that persons were saying,
32:40some of the officers said,
32:41they don't come up there
32:43because of what may be areas.
32:46I'm sure that's the reason why.
32:47Well, it's so fortunate that
32:48prior to coming on the program,
32:49I read an article
32:51where senior superintendent Tom,
32:53who is the head of the policemen division,
32:55did in fact comment on that matter,
32:57and he shared the sentiment that I expressed earlier.
32:59There's no area in Trinidad
33:00that the police officers can't go.
33:02Obviously, as a law enforcement officer,
33:04you would take the requisite precautions,
33:06depending on the area that you're going to.
33:08But there's no area that is closed
33:09after the TTPS.
33:10I want to let the public rest assured
33:12that we can access anywhere,
33:14as a matter of fact.
33:15I just want to let even the members,
33:17persons who may be involved in illicit activities,
33:19know that we are not afraid.
33:21We know the job that we have to do,
33:23and we'll continue to discharge
33:24our duties to the best of our ability
33:26and without fear.
33:29I want to say also, quickly,
33:30before we go on to the next incident,
33:32to the young girls out there
33:34who are thinking
33:36that everything will be okay.
33:37It's just a friend.
33:38I'm not involved.
33:39It may be them.
33:40You may know things and see things.
33:42You have to be careful,
33:44like what the mother said,
33:45when it comes to choosing your friends.
33:47This is serious.
33:49Bullets don't choose
33:51who to shoot or kill.
33:53It is coming,
33:54regardless of whoever is behind that gun,
33:56and whoever they're coming for,
33:58they don't care who is wrong.
33:59They're even killing children,
34:01babies.
34:03Please choose wisely your friends
34:05that you decide to be around.
34:07If you witness certain things,
34:09pull yourself away.
34:10That is not a place that anyone,
34:12even not just young girls,
34:13but young boys,
34:14young men as well,
34:15you notice certain things
34:16your friends are involved in.
34:17It's not you.
34:18Remove yourself from the situation,
34:20just because it's a friend you grew up with.
34:22For years, they chose that path.
34:24You don't need to choose that path either.
34:26I want to know what's going on
34:27with the investigation,
34:28with the domestic violence situation,
34:30where the 22-year-old Shamelia went.
34:34We apprehended anyone.
34:36This took place in the San Fernando area.
34:38I don't know.
34:39There was a rumor spreading
34:40via the social media platform
34:42that persons were in custody.
34:45Prior to coming on the program,
34:46I did have a conversation
34:48with the senior superintendent
34:49in charge of the homicide division,
34:51and he indicated that that is not the case.
34:53We don't have a...
34:54When I say we...
34:55Yeah, but the matter is still being investigated.
34:57Again, any death or any homicide
34:59is one too many,
35:01more so violence against women.
35:03So persons could contact the TTPS
35:07with regards to information
35:08that they may have on this?
35:10Well, I do have the number
35:11for the Regentry Homicide
35:12because that matter is San Fernando,
35:14so that is engaging the attention
35:15of the Regentry Homicide,
35:16which is based at San Fernando.
35:18What I can do,
35:19at the end of the program,
35:20I can get the number
35:21for the Homicide Regentry Office,
35:22pass it on to you,
35:23or probably get a contact
35:24for the investigators
35:25so that if persons have information...
35:27And I know people will have information.
35:29Please.
35:30For them to share the information.
35:32Yes.
35:33I mean, this violence against,
35:34not only the citizenry,
35:35but violence against women
35:37has to stop quickly.
35:38It's ridiculous.
35:39Yes.
35:40We have a call.
35:41Let's take that call.
35:42Hello, good evening.
35:43Sorry to be nervous.
35:45I've just taken a call.
35:47Concerning the recruitment...
35:50The recruitment?
35:53It's imagined that...
35:56I know you who have applied
35:58into the Police Service in 2021
36:02wrote their polygraph test
36:05and polymethic test
36:07and still waiting to be called.
36:09And there are people
36:10who recently applied
36:13and they have jumped
36:14ahead of the line.
36:17Whatever the reason,
36:18I don't want to start a talk
36:19on reasons over the phone,
36:20but something is not right down here.
36:22It's not fair.
36:23It's not acceptable.
36:24It's not just.
36:26And something needs to be investigated.
36:29Why should people get in
36:31who only know people
36:32who work in the police force?
36:34That is unfair to the ordinary youth
36:37looking for a job
36:38and waiting and waiting and waiting
36:40every time.
36:41You can't get one to the academy.
36:43All the normal, nobody else.
36:46At least let the people
36:48at the academy contact people
36:50who are unsuccessful in certain areas.
36:53First, you have been unsuccessful,
36:55you can reapply again, something.
36:57But they are still waiting.
36:59I mean, it is disappointing.
37:06But let me use my knife.
37:07My knife comes out.
37:09Thank you for calling, sir.
37:11What I can say to that
37:12is that that is not my information.
37:14Yeah, I know.
37:15It is my information
37:16that there are procedures
37:17that they apply
37:18as it relates to the recruitment.
37:19I am informed,
37:20or I know for a fact,
37:21that officers,
37:22persons who may have applied in the past,
37:24obviously,
37:25are going to be treated
37:26as the priority officers
37:27by virtue of sometimes their age and otherwise.
37:29You know, you have a particular age
37:31that you have to get any service by.
37:33And I can even say
37:34I have relatives who have applied,
37:35and they are only just like everybody else.
37:37Well, I can say the same thing too.
37:38I mean, and I only show.
37:41So it is unfortunate
37:42that the caller has that perspective
37:44of the recruitment process.
37:45But I can say
37:46without a shadow of doubt
37:47that the recruitment process
37:49goes through a particular procedure
37:52that prevents that type of activity
37:54in terms of you getting in
37:55because of who you know and otherwise.
37:57Well, I think they just want feedback also too.
37:59So if you didn't get through,
38:00you should still receive a message stating
38:02you know, unfortunately.
38:03I know, unfortunately.
38:04What happens in the past
38:05is that the office
38:06has made themselves available
38:07for persons to inquire about their status
38:09as it relates to their recruitment.
38:11But I can, in fact,
38:12pass on that recommendation.
38:14Yes, and also email.
38:15You don't need to send a letter.
38:16It's not that hard.
38:17The same way they send the email,
38:18say, unfortunately,
38:19we are unable to allow you
38:22into the service at this time.
38:24Or you didn't qualify for
38:26or you required the qualifications,
38:28you didn't meet.
38:29Feedback.
38:30That's all they want.
38:31Some feedback.
38:32Feedback is important
38:33in anything that we do in law enforcement.
38:34In life, we need communication.
38:36We need feedback.
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40:23Now let's head to Eldorado
40:25where Home Invasion took place on Thursday night
40:29or evening and tonight.
40:31No.
40:32No, we don't have audio.
40:34But the suspects look like non-nationals
40:40from just observing what we're seeing here.
40:48It is also my information that the victims as well
40:50are the victims of the Home Invasion.
40:53Yes.
40:54Yes.
40:55Yes.
40:56Yes.
40:57Yes.
40:58It is also my information that the victims as well
41:00are non-nationals.
41:01Are non-nationals also.
41:02Correct.
41:03Having spoken to the sergeant with responsibility for Tunapuna,
41:06he did in fact indicate that that is one of the challenges they're having
41:09as it relates to getting information from the victims.
41:13But they have sorted it out and the matter is being pursued.
41:16But unfortunately, no persons have been arrested thus far for the matter.
41:20But I recognize that the persons are en masse so we are hopeful.
41:23So these victims don't know who they are?
41:26No, they don't know.
41:27No, they are strangers to them.
41:31So how are you all treating with the non-nationals in our country committing crimes?
41:38And this is a crime clearly against their own.
41:40They may not know them.
41:42But we have seen also on social media and also on the show
41:48where individuals who are non-nationals are committing crime.
41:52How are you all dealing with that, especially if they're not documented?
41:54Well, let me premise my statement by starting.
41:56My statement is that we don't broad brush everybody, at least from TTP's perspective.
42:00But we do recognize our life to the fact that there are some crimes
42:04that are occurring in our jurisdiction that resembles crimes from other jurisdictions,
42:09most of them are the Spanish-speaking countries.
42:11So we are looking into those matters.
42:13I have been part of some discussions as it relates to our dealing with those matters.
42:18And yes, we are alive to that.
42:20But again, we don't want to broad brush and say just because we have an influx of persons
42:25from another country that it may be a contributing factor.
42:29And as I said before, we are looking into those matters.
42:32Yeah, but it seems like they're getting very comfortable.
42:35Well done.
42:36Because what they are witnessing, our own nationals are doing here.
42:40And how does that make you feel as an officer?
42:42Because seeing how non-nationals keep coming and they're saying,
42:45oh, it's free for all. I can come and do this, do that.
42:48And it almost gives me like nothing is going to happen.
42:52The thing about law enforcement is that, for the most part,
42:54we want to discharge our responsibilities in a particular manner
42:58in terms of dealing with everybody as the case by case arises.
43:01So we don't want to prejudge anybody.
43:03As I indicated before, we are alive to the fact that there are some crimes
43:06that may be transnational, and we are in fact dealing with those matters
43:10without disclosing too much.
43:12We have a call on the line. Let's take that call.
43:15Hello, good evening.
43:17Yeah, good evening.
43:18Good evening, sir. Go ahead.
43:20I want to make a contribution because I'm watching you on the tape.
43:23It's the first time I'm picking up the phone and calling.
43:26Yes, go ahead.
43:27Because I heard something just now.
43:29And in my case, that is different.
43:32My son went to get through no police arrangement, no links, no nothing,
43:37no nothing, and get through.
43:39He applies in 2021 and get through four months ago.
43:43And now he's working in Valencia Station.
43:46So I just hear Paula talking about you have to have a police link and all that.
43:51And in my experience with my son, it's not true.
43:55Yeah.
43:56Yeah, that's what I'm calling for.
43:58He's making it clear.
44:00And it's the same thing I said.
44:01I have family and friends who want to get into the service.
44:04And I am on a crime show dealing with officers,
44:07even some of the head of the recruitment process who came in here.
44:15As I say, avoid that type of behavior.
44:20That is why we put those systems in place.
44:22Because in some organization, that happens.
44:25But ideally, we don't want that to be the case.
44:27So that's why we have the safeguards.
44:29I think to make things easier, the feedback is going to assist you.
44:33You see, when you're wondering and not sure,
44:35and should I leave this job because I sent in an application,
44:38and I know there's a process.
44:40So even though, okay, you might go through the first stage,
44:42then you'll have, like, about three or four other stages
44:45before you actually start the training and all these things.
44:49So even if you reach the second stage, you don't go through,
44:52you didn't get through.
44:53Feedback.
44:54So, again, in the absence of having all the information,
44:56I would take your recommendations to the persons at the academy.
45:00I don't know if that is, in fact, the practice,
45:02but it is, in fact, something that could probably improve
45:04our service delivery as it relates to our recruitment process.
45:07Yes.
45:08So, yes.
45:09And I want to touch on some press releases from the TTPS
45:14before we move on any further.
45:16Now, three held and marijuana and drone seized
45:20in ongoing anti-crime exercises.
45:24Three persons were arrested and a firearm and quantities of marijuana
45:27seized by officers in the Southern and North Central Divisions
45:31during ongoing anti-crime exercises yesterday.
45:35During the exercise, three persons were arrested
45:37for various offenses, including possession of marijuana,
45:40possession of an offensive weapon,
45:43and driving without a driver's permit,
45:45driving with a certificate of insurance
45:48and failing to give fingerprints.
45:50I didn't know.
45:51If you don't give fingerprints, you could get charged?
45:55When you don't give any fingerprints,
45:56what happens is that the matter progresses to the court
45:58and the magistrate or the judge, as the case may be in the past,
46:01would have given instructions as it relates to the person
46:03giving their prints.
46:05But the taking of the prints is rather integral
46:07in the delivery or the progression of the matter
46:10because it allows the court to determine
46:12what are your past convictions, if you have any,
46:15so that they can make a determination as to your character
46:18in some of the matters.
46:19Also to note as well, the same party of officers
46:22acted on information received,
46:24proceeded to the Moruga District
46:26where they conducted a search of Simeon Road.
46:29They found one revolver hidden under a tree
46:32wrapped in a black bandana.
46:34We have a call on the line, so let's take that call.
46:36Hello, good evening.
46:40Hello, good evening.
46:42Good evening.
46:43Good afternoon.
46:44Good evening, sir.
46:45Good evening to the officers.
46:47Good evening to the officer.
46:49Good afternoon.
46:52I want to draw the officer,
46:54I want to draw your attention to an article
46:57that's on social media pertaining to recruits
47:02for the police service and the special reserve police.
47:05But what I find not, I don't know,
47:10the symbol pertaining to the police,
47:13I find it saying, see something, say something.
47:16So if it's the real thing,
47:18could you more or less enlighten me on this, please?
47:23I didn't fully get the question.
47:25Is it that he's speaking of,
47:27if you see something, say something,
47:29that is placed on, I'm assuming, on the website?
47:32I'm not sure, I was trying to gather what he was saying,
47:35but I wasn't clear exactly what he was stating.
47:38We'll get that information properly
47:40and we'll repeat that so you could answer his concern.
47:43Yeah, definitely.
47:44Also in the media release as well,
47:46the TTPS media release,
47:47man granted bail for money laundering charges.
47:50A 62-year-old man was granted bail
47:52with surety in the sum of $450,000
47:56when he appeared before a master of the High Court
47:59charged with 24 counts of money laundering.
48:02Bernard Rodney, a driver of Sangre Grandi,
48:05was also charged with obtaining $118,000
48:09by false pretense
48:10and two counts of uttering forged documents
48:14when he appeared before the master in the High Court
48:17on Monday, the 22nd of July, 2024.
48:20He was granted bail
48:21and instructed to report to the Sangre Grandi police station
48:24two days per week.
48:26We have a call on the line.
48:27Let's head to that call.
48:31Hello, good evening.
48:33Hello, good evening.
48:34Is this Beyond the Tape?
48:35Yes, ma'am, you're live.
48:36Go ahead.
48:38Okay, concerning the polygraph,
48:44what happened is that I find that the system
48:49in the polygraph,
48:51because even though my son, he applied,
48:54but he is yet to, yes,
48:55but because he had applied in 2020
48:59and I find it is a good process
49:02because, but what is the problem is that
49:05when they do the polygraph,
49:10the problem with the polygraph sometimes
49:13is when they go to do the test,
49:15the results not coming back to the recruiters
49:17in a timely manner.
49:20And that is the problem.
49:22The results from the polygraph,
49:24it's not coming back to the recruiters.
49:26Nothing wrong with the recruiters
49:28and nothing wrong with the process,
49:29but that's part of it,
49:31where they go to do the test
49:34and it's not coming back to the recruiters
49:37in the barracks in a timely manner.
49:40I understand that some Jamaicans do the testing
49:44and they do send their files,
49:46but some of the other people,
49:48where they go to elders or wherever,
49:50they're not sending back the files
49:52in a timely manner.
49:53But the process,
49:54I have no problem with the process
49:56because I've seen where other people,
49:58they try to step out and deal with them
50:01who applied before,
50:02what the policeman saying there.
50:04So it's not a bad process,
50:06but it's just the polygraph part
50:09when the results have to come back
50:11in a timely manner
50:12and it's not coming back.
50:14Okay, thank you.
50:15We'll respond to the caller after the break.
50:17We'll be back.
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51:46Now, before we wrap things up,
51:47I wanted to throw something to you
51:49where domestic violence, as we mentioned,
51:51is a major concern within the TTPS.
51:54And I know sometimes the officer's hands may be tied a bit
51:58because if someone makes a report, the victim,
52:01and then comes back and says,
52:02you know, I'm not going through with this,
52:05and leave him alone,
52:06and they go back with the individual,
52:08and then you see, in this case,
52:09this is the victim,
52:10and they go back with the individual,
52:11and then you see, in this case,
52:12this young person and other woman may have been killed.
52:16Now, is there any way or anything in the police act
52:20that could be changed or is there to assist the officers
52:24even though a victim is recanting on a statement
52:28where there's evidence showing that
52:30this person was abusive to the female or male?
52:33Well, as it regards to the legislation,
52:35I would want to stay away from that.
52:37What I can say, though,
52:38is that we have been trying to utilize
52:40some of the support mechanisms.
52:42So even though we may not have been able to pursue it evidentially
52:46in terms of the court matter,
52:47we make recommendations for that intervention
52:49from the victim support and the social workers
52:52so that even if the matter is not progressing,
52:53they can still have that intervene
52:55in the lives of the affected persons
52:58to see if they can cause them
52:59to kick themselves down a different path.
53:02As it relates to witnesses who have become hostile,
53:07I know there are systems in the law
53:08that deals with that at the prosecution states
53:11in terms of how the prosecution deals with statements
53:13where you give one statement and you come into court
53:15and say something different.
53:16So there are, in fact, procedures or protocols for that
53:19where they deem the witness hostile and so on.
53:21So there are, in fact, some areas
53:23that we could pursue with that.
53:24But it is unfortunate with domestic violence.
53:26Again, there's a psychology to domestic violence
53:29that really we as officers need to be alive to.
53:33And again, it's just about service.
53:35Sometimes we just need to show up.
53:36So even though we may have intervened one time,
53:38two times, three times,
53:39we always have to keep going.
53:41Could you respond to the caller
53:42before we wrap things up
53:44with a comment on what she was stating with the polygraph?
53:48What I can say, though,
53:49is that the TTPS under the leadership of the Commissioner
53:53has, in fact, been refined in the process
53:55because we want to get the best product at the end
53:57because, again, police officers are a product of the society.
54:00We want to make sure that we bring them in.
54:02They are able to function and do the job that we require of them.
54:05As it relates to the polygraph testing,
54:08I am aware that there have been some regional intervention
54:13as it relates to the polygraph testing
54:15because we are, in fact, overwhelmed
54:16because we recognize it's not just the polygraph officers
54:19are not just utilized for the recruitment process.
54:22But also the officers inside.
54:23Yeah, officers inside.
54:24For instance, if you are going to a specialist department
54:26and so on and so forth,
54:27and even in the process of some of the recent legislations,
54:30the workload is, in fact, going to increase.
54:32So I recognize that there may be some challenges.
54:34But, again, I will pass on the information
54:36to the recruiting office, to the academy,
54:38so that they can understand that that is some of the difficulties
54:41that the public is facing.
54:42And, again, it comes back to the same point, feedback.
54:45Yeah, we need feedback.
54:46We definitely need that.
54:47All of us, we need the communication.
54:49And in this case, it's the communication with the TTPS,
54:51the civilians.
54:52Yeah, communication is the key.
54:53If you're in a relationship, you have to communicate.
54:55You must communicate in some major way.
54:57I'd like to thank you so much for being here with us
54:59for the first time.
55:00We appreciate you.
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55:02We'll be back again to let us know what's going on in your division.
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