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00:00I don't want to trade Miles. I think that a team could come in after June 1st and could come
00:06in with an offer I just simply can't refuse.
00:10I just know what I'm doing with the football team if I do trade Miles. I know the message I'm
00:13sending to everybody.
00:14And my answer is if I do trade Miles, to me it does have something to do with the quarterback.
00:19It does have something to do with where I go.
00:21I don't want to use the T word here, but hey, let's go ahead and let's evaluate.
00:24Then we do join the Cardinals. We do join the Dolphins in this. And then if you do trade away
00:29Miles and you're getting picks, all right, let's see what Shador Sanders can do.
00:33I don't need to have this discussion about Deshaun Watson because it isn't tangible.
00:36See, if you are trying to compete, trying to win, if you are trying, you can talk yourself into the
00:43veteran trying to return to form.
00:45It's just so when you trade that guy, it is so hard for me, Anthony, to I'm already against the
00:52idea.
00:52And so it's just impossible for me to go, yeah, he'll get back to where he was six years ago.
00:57Well, it's why six years, I ain't that long.
01:00I'm with you. It's been so long. And it's been so long since his body, you know, was in good
01:06shape.
01:06Now it's been breaking down almost every year or other year. He's had massive surgery in the offseason.
01:12He's had complications with surgery, you know, when he was on his rehab attempt.
01:17And we still don't know what happened, even though there was a bunch of conjecture about that.
01:21So it's hard to fathom a world where he's anything remotely like the guy we traded for or the guy
01:26we thought we were trading for.
01:28Given all that, it's why I'm stunned that, let's be honest, the messaging seems to be from Berea that one
01:35is definitely ahead of the other.
01:36It just seems to be that way. Now we'll find out. Maybe none of that matters.
01:40Maybe now that they're working out in OTAs, maybe there's a shift.
01:44And out of nowhere, now Shador is number one heading into training cap. Who knows?
01:49Doesn't seem like there's a lot of blowback.
01:51Like every time there's a Mary Kay story or Ian Rappaport or Albert Breer, the Browns aren't exactly fighting any
01:59of that messaging.
02:00I also think that...
02:00Which makes you think it's coming from the Browns.
02:01How much do you want to believe? Let me ask you questions now.
02:04How do you think that the fans will receive all this?
02:06They'll hate it. Yeah.
02:07I mean, they'll hate a Miles trade.
02:08Do you care... Once you trade Miles, do you care at all what the fans think?
02:13Me or if I'm running the Browns?
02:15They're not going to like a Miles trade.
02:17I mean, if you give me three first-round picks back, I think a lot of fans will go,
02:19Man, that sucks when we got three first-round picks.
02:22I think that that's what a lot of Browns fans would do.
02:24But if you trade away Miles, even for three first-round picks, and you go,
02:27Now we're going to start Deshaun.
02:28Oh, got more great news for me here.
02:31Do you throw the fans a bone at all?
02:34And go, Hey, let's try to navigate this.
02:36We don't think we're going to do very well this year.
02:38That's why we trade away Miles.
02:39And you know what?
02:40Let's go ahead and let's put in the guy who's at least more interesting.
02:44Well, it's hard that you say...
02:45Or is that just crazy talk?
02:46Well, you say throw the fans a bone.
02:48I mean, I see...
02:49Like, obviously, there is a very vocal minority that is Shador everything.
02:56Like, the whole team should be based around Shador.
02:58Like, he's the ambassador of the Browns.
03:00There's a bunch of people that think he stinks.
03:02And I would say the majority of Browns fans think he stinks.
03:04There's a bunch of Browns fans that think he stinks.
03:06He's a fifth-round pick who had some of the worst numbers a rookie's ever had last year.
03:09But the difference is they don't dislike him.
03:11They dislike the other guy.
03:12Yeah, well, there's nothing to dislike.
03:13They might dislike some of the stuff they see online.
03:15They might hate his family.
03:15They might hate things about his family.
03:17Yeah, they might...
03:17Or his fan base.
03:18They might have just...
03:19They might have been the opposite.
03:22Because I was a kid.
03:23I was infatuated with Deion.
03:24I was also eight years old.
03:26So, they were probably the opposite of me.
03:28They were probably guys my dad's age.
03:29My dad never really rolled his eyes at me for it.
03:31But they were probably sitting there rolling their eyes when I was wearing the bandana and all that other stuff.
03:36But I think that you take that into account where...
03:38I think they get a little annoyed with some of the stuff they see from his fan base.
03:42But I don't think they dislike Shador.
03:44I think they dislike Deshaun.
03:46And if you don't care about the fans at all...
03:48Because Todd Munkin...
03:49It's almost a conversation that has to stop.
03:51Because you and I care about what the fans think.
03:53Or we're supposed to.
03:54Todd won't.
03:56And as much as I say this, I know it's not going to go my way.
03:59They could very well just trade Myles Garrett.
04:01And Todd Munkin could go up there to the podium and go,
04:03Hey, we need...
04:04In the words of Kevin Stefanski, he wouldn't say it like this.
04:07We need volunteers, not hostages.
04:09And so, we let go of Myles.
04:11He didn't want to be here.
04:12We moved on.
04:13We wish him well.
04:14We're getting picks back.
04:15This, that, and the other.
04:15That's an answer for Andrew Barry.
04:17Questions for Andrew Barry.
04:18We've got to get this team ready.
04:20And he might have himself a Jim Fossil moment where he pushes the chips into the middle of the table.
04:23But I don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference.
04:25I'm just getting myself ready to be agitated because if Deshaun Watson...
04:29If Myles Garrett ain't on that team week one,
04:31and Deshaun Watson goes out there and plays quarterback week one,
04:34which it probably looks like he will,
04:35and he throws for three picks and no touchdowns,
04:38and we lose to the Jaguars,
04:39I could go, hey, I could have the guy that people don't really dislike
04:42go throw three picks and no touchdowns and lose to the Jaguars.
04:45100%.
04:45What do we have this guy out there for?
04:47Unless you just fully believe he's that bad,
04:49and you're playing 4D chess,
04:51and you think he's giving you a better chance to lose than what Shadur would,
04:55which would be insane.
04:56Because he's a veteran,
04:58and you didn't want to do that to you.
04:59And there's just no way Todd Munkin would agree to such a thing.
05:02And that would be equally crippling to a locker room, too.
05:05Yes.
05:05Like, if you're starting a guy, and he's immediately bad,
05:09and everyone knew he was going to be bad.
05:10Because remember, it's a few years ago that we were getting the reports every day
05:14from Zach Jackson about Watson in his last year that he was able to play
05:18before the injuries, and it was, oh, guys, this is rough.
05:21He can't throw the football.
05:22And then you don't think the players saw that, too?
05:25And then you trot him out there?
05:26Like, that stuff can be equally damaging.
05:28Before I get back to the Cavs and this Legler audio from Bill Simmons,
05:32you know, I've got to ask everybody,
05:33and I don't think this is a question that maybe needs answered now,
05:36what do you do if either are decent?
05:41If you're Shadur, and what do we do if he's decent?
05:44It's like, hey, he's a young quarterback.
05:46Maybe we found our guy.
05:48If it's Deshaun, there's still more baggage.
05:50What do I do with him?
05:51Oh, yeah.
05:52What, are you going to sign him to a contract?
05:53Am I going to sign him to an extension?
05:54Does he want to be here?
05:55Does he want to only be here again for the money?
05:57Franchise tender him?
05:57It is.
05:59For 45-plus million, whatever it would be.
06:00Yeah, do I do a franchise tag on the guy for crying out loud?
06:04I mean, you've already paid him a boatload of money anyway.
06:06Maybe you do.
06:07Maybe it is.
06:07But it just, one comes with so much less baggage than the other one
06:12if they were to exceed expectations and do well.
06:16So just like I said, the more we have these conversations,
06:19the easier it is to start to envision it.
06:25And so the more you talk, like, it's the same thing with Odell Beckham Jr.
06:29How many emails, how many nasty emails do we get?
06:31Why are you talking about this?
06:32Why are you wasting our time?
06:33And it felt like we talked it into existence.
06:34I get nervous because the more you talk about Miles Garrett,
06:37You don't want to talk this into existence.
06:38I don't want to talk it into existence.
06:40However, it just feels like these things are going to be talked into existence
06:43for us whether we want to or not.
06:45So just because I'm uncomfortable with the conversation
06:47doesn't mean we shouldn't have it or doesn't mean I shouldn't have it
06:50because I have to have it.
06:51I owe it to.
06:52Listen, maybe there's a world where nobody can meet the demands of the Browns
06:56when they call the Browns.
06:57Not that the Browns are calling other teams like Albert Breer, you know,
07:00speculated yesterday.
07:01He's like, oh, no, they don't have to call anybody.
07:03Those calls are incoming.
07:04I mean, maybe nobody hits those markers when it comes to a deal.
07:10And we're like, all right, let's shelve this until the trade deadline.
07:13Maybe the Browns' talent is the young talent all shows up.
07:17That can happen in the NFL.
07:18Young players can play well right off the rip.
07:21And maybe whoever the quarterback is, but let's just say for the sake of
07:25argument, it's Shador, and they get off to a 4-2 star,
07:29like the dream of all dreams, then you don't have to worry.
07:33Then you won't have to worry about any of that.
07:36Yeah, it's nice, but we all know reality.
07:39Seriously, we all know reality.
07:40Because I wasn't misquoted, but I thought it was kind of written a little bit
07:44differently about our conversation earlier.
07:49It's like I'm buying the rumors.
07:50Joey had written that I'm not buying the rumors.
07:52I love Joey.
07:53I'm not trying to throw Joey under the bus, even though by accident I am
07:55throwing Joey under the bus.
07:56Yeah, I am sorry about that, Joey.
07:58I didn't mean to push you right in front of the bus, buddy.
08:00I buy the rumors.
08:01How could I not?
08:02There are names that are talking about this.
08:05This isn't Bob's football website.
08:07This is Albert Breer.
08:08This is Peter Schrager.
08:10These are guys who know, no matter what.
08:14I've always been a big fan of Peter Schrager just because I've never seen a guy
08:19do so well being so nice in my entire life.
08:21I mean, he's just so nice about everything.
08:25If they're bringing it up, I got to talk about it.
08:28And they were asked yesterday, Albert Breer was on afternoon drive.
08:33The guys in the afternoon asked him about trading Miles Garrett because they played
08:37the audio of Todd Munkin answering whether or not he's spoken to Miles and believe
08:42they'll have some media availability today, right?
08:44Every Wednesday.
08:45So he's going to have to answer a question about Miles.
08:48And here was Albert Breer on Miles.
08:52I actually agree with some of the reason to do it.
08:55After June 1st, it becomes easier.
08:57On top of there being a new coaching staff there and the team being in the middle of
09:00the youth movement, I think that things are TBD until you're otherwise.
09:06That could be next week.
09:07That could be the trade deadline.
09:09I just think when you're talking about after six years of Kevin Stefanski being in charge
09:13there, after a bunch of years of Jim Schwartz running the defense, and after doing what the
09:18Browns have done the last couple of years to try to stock the team with young talent and
09:22get younger all over the place, this does feel like the type of time when you would entertain
09:27that type of thought.
09:28So the talk about trading him gets brought up again.
09:31How much does it mean that Miles isn't speaking to Todd Munkin and all this and that?
09:35But really, I think you start to get thoughts of, I don't really care how Miles feels.
09:41I'll tell you this.
09:42Let me say, not the thoughts of what you can get back.
09:44We'll get to that here in a second.
09:45Personally, I don't care how Miles feels.
09:47I don't.
09:48The contract's the contract.
09:51You get paid an exorbitant sum.
09:54Now, if he wants to get more money and he wants to use this as some sort of tactic, fine.
09:58There's very little I can say to the guy because he goes out there and performs.
10:01But if we're going to separate ourselves from any emotion out of this, let me tell you.
10:07If he's mad that Jim Schwartz isn't the head coach, it's high time you get over this.
10:13All right?
10:14They've done things.
10:16We read the Mary Kay Cabot article back in the day.
10:18They've done things based on what you've wanted them to do.
10:21And it's ended up being a disaster.
10:24A total disaster.
10:26You'll remember Mary Kay when she basically wrote the article and you could read it where
10:29it was like, basically Miles made it out to be it's either me or Baker.
10:33And they chose him.
10:35And maybe we wouldn't be much better off with Baker.
10:39Maybe a change of scenery had to happen for him to grow up.
10:41But I tell you, I don't think it's any bit of a disaster as what it's been over the last
10:46how many years now with Deshaun.
10:48So we've done these things before.
10:49You get paid a lot of money.
10:52You are a Hall of Famer.
10:53You're a guy who does all these things for us.
10:57But can we use you as a piece to make ourselves better?
11:04Because, yeah, there's going to be teams that definitely they intend to give us a later
11:08first round pick, later picks as they are.
11:10But maybe we can get three first round picks.
11:13I mean, what is the Hall for Miles Garrett?
11:16Here's what Albert Breer says.
11:17Look at what Khalil Mack went for.
11:20Look at what that price was.
11:22And I think you would be looking for that sort of return for Miles Garrett.
11:25And if you wait a year or two, like now look what Von Miller got traded for when the Broncos
11:30traded him to the Rams.
11:31And I think the Broncos probably waited a little too long.
11:34The Broncos still got a decent return for Von Miller, but it certainly wasn't the same
11:39as what they would have gotten if they had traded him like a year or two earlier.
11:42To me, like that makes his age a very relevant factor here.
11:46I still think you can get a huge haul for him.
11:49If you don't do it now, you're not taking a really hard look at it now, you risk in a
11:53year or two when maybe your team is really ready to win, getting a lot less for him.
11:58So that's what Andrew Barry has to consider.
12:00If people are going to come along and make offers, this isn't a player you even have to
12:03shop.
12:03You know what I mean?
12:04Like teams are going to show their interest in a guy like that.
12:07I want everybody to turn their mics on.
12:09I want to ask you guys right now, Dallas Cowboys come to you.
12:12Let's use Dallas.
12:13They seem to be the most optimal one.
12:15He's from there, all that.
12:16And Albert mentioned that in that interview.
12:18You can hear it 92.3, the fan.com and on the absolutely free Odyssey app.
12:22Lyman, let me ask you first.
12:24The Dallas Cowboys come to you with two ones for Miles Garrett.
12:27Yes or no?
12:28Need more.
12:29Okay.
12:29But it starts at two ones.
12:31Okay.
12:31Because that's the ones we think of.
12:32I'm sorry.
12:33Two ones and change for Miles.
12:34I'd also rather have their two number ones than I would, say, the Rams or, say, the Eagles.
12:42Eagles.
12:42So, I'm using Dallas because he's from there.
12:46The whole video before the draft, the whole thing.
12:48Dallas comes with you.
12:49Two number ones and change.
12:50You say yes.
12:51Yeah.
12:52Throwing in a two?
12:54I think it'd have to be two ones and two twos or three ones.
12:58What about a player?
12:58Let's do two ones and two twos and a third.
13:02What about a player?
13:03Is that possible?
13:05Yeah, that's whatever.
13:05I don't want a player.
13:06That's ancillary.
13:07It's, you know, it's extra throw in there.
13:08Okay.
13:10Two ones, two twos, a third for Miles.
13:12Yes or no?
13:15He's on the fence.
13:16That ain't even a Browns fan over there.
13:17Yeah.
13:19It's tough.
13:20He's a Browns supporter, but he's not a fan.
13:21He's a Chiefs fan.
13:22Are you saying this is the best offer?
13:24Like, I'm just guessing.
13:25Okay.
13:26Going through it.
13:27I'm not trying to be exasperated with either of you.
13:29I think there's a better offer out there somewhere.
13:30Say that this is the best offer.
13:34John.
13:35Yes or no?
13:37I mean, it'd have to be the most ridiculous trade ever for you to give up Miles.
13:41I think you should do it.
13:41But I said two ones, two twos, third for Miles.
13:44That's not the most ridiculous trade ever.
13:45It's not the most ridiculous trade ever.
13:47Oh, non-quarterback.
13:48The most ridiculous non-quarterback, non-insane trade ever because the Herschel Walker trade
13:51is the most ridiculous thing ever.
13:53So, this is interesting because I thought a lot of people, I'm glad you guys brought this
13:56up.
13:56I'm really glad Owen hemmed and hawed over it.
13:59And you did, too.
14:00You wanted even more.
14:01This is not as easy as what we make it out to be when we're having conversations here
14:05in short amount of time.
14:06And also, you have to consider, it's not our jobs that are on the line.
14:09It's Andrew's job that's on the line.
14:10Now, Andrew's been through it and is seemingly coming out on the other side.
14:14Do you believe, though, that Andrew Barry in early June, or next week, late next week,
14:21could he make that move?
14:22Let's just use it in June.
14:23Could he make that move?
14:25And still guarantee he's going to have a job in January.
14:28I don't believe in any.
14:29Because you are not winning games without Miles.
14:31No, I don't believe in any guarantees.
14:33You don't win many games with Miles.
14:34I think Jimmy Haslam could guarantee it, and then by the end of the year go, oh, I don't
14:37like this.
14:38There's no way that it's guaranteed.
14:41John, do you feel the same way?
14:43Yeah, I do.
14:45Okay.
14:45So, none of us can trust Jimmy to keep us employed if we're Andrew Barry.
14:50So, basically, if you guys want to make this move, you're going to have to hope that the
14:53owner steps in.
14:54Because if you can't trust it, then why would I make this move?
14:58Well, the owner.
14:58Then ultimately be known as the guy who traded for Watson and traded away Miles.
15:03Like, God, my name is Mud.
15:05I'm going to have to switch sports.
15:06But the other part of this is, obviously, Jimmy Haslam would be signing off on this.
15:10I mean, he would have to sign off on this to begin with.
15:13There's no way.
15:13This is as big-ticket item as you get.
15:15We always talk about that.
15:16What are the big-ticket items?
15:17And then the owner has to intervene.
15:19Like, we hear so often, especially in the NBA, too, anytime you get the major deals,
15:24they say, the GMs end up just putting the owners on the phone.
15:28Because the owners are not just going to allow the tectonic shift in their whole organization.
15:34Like, they have to be supportive.
15:35And what we don't know behind the scenes is what has been the level of communication
15:42between Miles Garrett.
15:43We know nothing with Todd Munkin really in person.
15:45But what is it with Jimmy Haslam?
15:46What does Jimmy Haslam know about the situation?
15:50Like, you know, one of the total rumors, not founded in anything, but it's part of the speculation,
15:56is a year after he had asked to be traded, like, he didn't want to go through that PR hit
16:01again.
16:01But then when the team was this bad again and no closer to a quarterback, most likely,
16:06that now he said, all right, guys, I now want to trade it again.
16:11But I'm not going to go public.
16:12I'm not going to humiliate the organization.
16:14It's a possibility.
16:15It's an absolute possibility.
16:16And then what does Jimmy do with that information?
16:18Even if it wasn't, remember, the conversation being there, how many Browns fans do you think
16:22who are an absolute no when this first got brought up at the end of the year?
16:26I mean, it's been six months now almost.
16:28When this got brought up first at the end of the year, how many people are an absolute no
16:32that have changed their minds to considering it now?
16:34What percentage would you say of Browns fans?
16:36Would it be as high as 50-50 who have changed their mind on that?
16:39Would it be even more that have changed their mind on that?
16:41I'm asking a lot of questions.
16:42There's a lot of hypotheticals here.
16:44I think, Kenny, once they had this draft as ballyhooed as it was and universally praised
16:49by even people that typically hate what you do, when that happened, I think fans were like,
16:53oh, now we've got to keep Miles.
16:55We've already got, we've loaded up the team in two drafts.
16:57Now we've got to keep him.
16:58I think there is a group of fans who have also thought that.
17:02I think that's a great thought by you.
17:04I thought like that, but also it's like, well, these are young players.
17:07They're good young players, but are they ready to win now?
17:10Miles wants to win now.
17:11This team might not be ready to win now.
17:13The most I'm saying, I'm saying seven wins.
17:15I'm getting killed for it online, saying I'm a homer for saying seven wins.
17:19Seven wins makes you a homer.
17:21Lord almighty.
17:22Didn't Pierland say 10 wins?
17:23Well, if Pierland's saying 10 wins, then he's on some good gummies, brother.
17:27But either way, maybe he ends up being right.
17:29I hope he ends up being right.
17:29It would be awesome.
17:30But as of right now, it feels like he might be on the gummies, which is legal,
17:33which is perfectly fine.
17:34He's a grown adult.
17:35He can do what he wants, just as long as he's not operating machinery.
17:37So if he says 10, then that's okay.
17:41But if I'm saying seven and then I'm hearing Jonathan say, well, Todd's going to take credit
17:45for this.
17:46I'm going, no one's taking credit for seven wins.
17:49If they're not ready to do it, then why wouldn't you make this move?
17:51Because the more, we talked about this last week, the more we discuss this, the more
17:56it's out there in the open.
17:57Why wouldn't Miles say anything?
17:58Maybe he can get exactly what he wants.
18:00Hell, he can get an extension with the Browns if he wants to, anytime, basically, when he
18:04walks into the building.
18:05And if he gets traded, guess what?
18:06The team that trades for him is going to make him the highest paid guy because he has a
18:10no trade clause.
18:11So that's going to be worked out as well.
18:13So in any way, it goes Miles' way.
18:16He doesn't got to say a word.
18:17You don't have to be in the country.
18:19Right.
18:19Is Miles making $40 million a year?
18:21Was that his last contract?
18:22And Will Anderson just got up to $50?
18:24Yes.
18:25And Miles goes, I'm better than him.
18:27Yeah, better than Will Anderson.
18:28Micah Parsons got $46.5 million.
18:30Aiden Hutchinson, $45 million.
18:31And we're not talking about the guarantees and everything.
18:33But Miles, if I'm Miles Garrett, I'm shooting for the moon.
18:36Like, all right, fine.
18:38I'll show up.
18:39I'll actually talk to the head coach again.
18:41Make me the highest paid non-quarterback in the game.
18:43Oh, and by the way, guarantee.
18:44And then you wonder.
18:46Guarantee that contract.
18:46Because they haven't talked, and even I had to admit, I'm like, okay, it is getting a little
18:49bit weird that they wouldn't really speak to each other.
18:51Or they haven't seen each other.
18:53I mean, my God, he is a leader on the team.
18:55And I got Shador Sanders basically living in the facility over the last how many months
18:59over there.
18:59And he's trying to be the starting quarterback.
19:00You got one guy who can just show up and start and be available every single day.
19:04That's Miles.
19:05I even have to admit, it's been a little bit awkward that they haven't seen each other
19:09at all.
19:09Maybe in his own way, he's trying to get a contract extension as well.
19:13But what's the worst part that could happen here?
19:14If he gets traded, he gets traded.
19:16And the team he gets traded for, he has to approve of it.
19:18And then after he approves of it, I'm sure he's going to get an extra contract.
19:21This all goes Miles' way.
19:23This conversation happening goes Miles' way.
19:26Miles could be very disinterested in wanting to stay or wanting to leave.
19:30He could very well want to be a Cleveland Brown for life.
19:32I'd love him to say all that.
19:34But he knows that that's not in his best interest.
19:36That's not in his best business.
19:37Because he's only going to get traded to what?
19:39A contender.
19:40And he's only going to get traded to a team that's going to what?
19:42Give him more money.
19:44This is all for the glorification of Miles.
19:46And it's not a bad thing.
19:48It's just that he holds all the cards in this scenario unless the Browns actually decide
19:52to trade him.
19:53And again, that goes around in a circle again in that conversation.
19:55So everything goes to him.
19:57So I could see us doing this this year, next year, even the year after that, as long as
20:02they're still not very good.
20:04Now, there is a diminishing return out of all that.
20:07But my God, as long as he still has a no trade clause and he's still putting up 16 to
20:1020 sacks a year, you can't say nothing to the guy.
20:13Let me go to the phones.
20:15Larry in Cleveland.
20:16Got to go quick.
20:16Go.
20:18I was going to say, Larry, we need to keep Miles.
20:20Larry, you're on speaker.
20:22We can't do it.
20:222-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
20:24Guys, you got to take it off speaker when you talk, okay?
20:27Don't do it from caves.
20:28And yes, if you're in a bathroom, please.
20:31The sound reverberates.
20:33Something possibly with some things on the wall and some furniture.
20:35They act as good baffles.
20:372-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
20:39Like, I do think the more we talk about it, the more people, when it came to like Odell,
20:45hey, maybe this does make sense.
20:46Maybe we should talk about it.
20:47The more this discussion continues, the more maybe people come to the side of it and say,
20:52you know what?
20:54Maybe it is time.
20:55Now, I think that that comes with a whole other set of problems.
20:58And if you want to see what we can get out of this season, you are more than welcome
21:01to say no.
21:02More than welcome to say no.
21:04But I'm willing to bet there's been some people changing their minds here over the last couple
21:07of months every time this gets brought up.
21:09What happened?
21:10Because what did the Cowboys end up winning?
21:12I know they had Dak, but what did they end up winning?
21:13How many games last year without Micah Parsons?
21:15Were they a seven-win team?
21:17Let's say the Browns traded Miles.
21:20And then what do you know?
21:22After all these years, the offense finally clicks.
21:25You've got these young wide receivers.
21:27Shador takes off.
21:28Maybe Deshaun takes off.
21:29Whatever.
21:30And they end up winning seven or eight games.
21:33And the defense is, you know, a fraction of what it was.
21:37I thought they were nine wins.
21:37No, they were seven, nine, and one.
21:39You were right.
21:40So what would happen?
21:41What would be the response if that were the case?
21:44Would it be, oh my God, why did you trade Miles?
21:47You would have gone to the playoffs and had a chance to win a playoff game.
21:49Or would it be, holy cow, look at where the offense is ascending.
21:54Now, with all these draft picks, we can build a balanced, full, comprehensive football team
22:01that over the next two to three years could take off.
22:03You have a lot of flexibility.
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