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00:00If this draft is so wide open, just going to ask you, just going to ask you, I'm asking,
00:06I'm asking here, I'm not, I don't know yet, okay, usually I'm supposed to tell you what
00:12I think and then, you know, go backwards.
00:16If the draft is so wide open, maybe we should just stay.
00:20I heard Sal Palantonio, ESPN yesterday, he hosts that podcast with Greg Cosell, the TV
00:26show as well, Greg Cosell, where Greg Cosell is the film maven, you know, he doesn't let
00:30his personal feelings get in on anything.
00:35And there is some interesting conversation about this guy at 24.
00:42I didn't realize we had to have a conversation about Kenyon Sadiq at number six.
00:48If I'm the Cleveland Browns and I want to try to build this offense into something that
00:54it wasn't last year, Kenyon Sadiq is sitting there when the Browns pick in the first round,
00:59he may not be, he's moving up on the board.
01:01You know, if the Browns are there at six and Sadiq is available, I take him, I take him right
01:06away.
01:06You got to create matchup problems on this offense.
01:09He only scored 16 points a game last year.
01:11He only had 16 touchdown passes.
01:13There'll be plenty of wide receivers.
01:15I know people say Carnell Tate to the Browns there, and I'm all about getting guys who can
01:19put it in the end zone.
01:20You can find a lot of offensive tackles in this draft, especially lower in the first
01:24round and in the second round.
01:26You got to have matchup problems.
01:28And to me, after Love, it's the tight end out of Oregon.
01:31You know, he ran a 4-3-9 at the Combine.
01:34That's the fastest at the tight end position in the last 20 years.
01:37He is a very aggressive player, big and strong.
01:41He will patrol the middle of the field, which will help the run game and help your quarterback,
01:46whoever's going to play quarterback for your football team.
01:48So, I think this guy can do a lot of things for your offense.
01:53Just put him on the field, line him up anywhere.
01:55South Powell ain't drunk and dirty.
01:57I think he does make a valid point there.
02:01Where, I don't think I'd take him at 6, I got to tell you.
02:03Now, he's saying if Carnell Tate's not there at 6, maybe you'd take Kenyon Sadiq.
02:07But this is kind of the symptoms of the draft here, is that there's no real blue chippers.
02:13Did you see the Eric DaCosta article, the article that featured him with Pro Football Talk,
02:19where they're like, he says that after the second half, or after the first half of the first round,
02:23he says the talent falls off a cliff.
02:25In every draft of this draft?
02:27He says this one.
02:28Now, maybe that's...
02:31I think people can be critical of Eric DaCosta.
02:33I think that there's been some...
02:35I think there's been a little bit where he's lived off the reputation of Ozzie Newsome.
02:39I think a lot of people would agree with that.
02:41But, you know, it is a general manager coming out and saying something like that about the talent in this
02:44draft.
02:45When you hear that from South Powell, just because we haven't brought up Kenyon Sadiq that much,
02:50we talked about him at 24 during the early parts of the draft process with Ryan Wilson.
02:55Ryan's always really liked him.
02:57He has a matchup problem, without a doubt.
02:59He has tight end next to his name.
03:00And because he has tight end next to his name, everybody goes, well, guys, we have Harold Fannin, for crying
03:04out loud.
03:04What are we talking about?
03:05Yeah, but you can split him out.
03:06You can do different things.
03:08He has a tendency to bring linebackers with him.
03:10That creates a mismatch because he's obviously quicker than what you would deal with with an off-ball linebacker.
03:16Even an off-ball linebacker who's really quick.
03:18I know I'm going into the weeds here.
03:20I don't feel the need to defend South Powell for his comment.
03:23It just came out of left field to the point where Keith texted us yesterday.
03:26He was like, whoa, my God.
03:28And I had to go back and listen while I was battling the serpent to go back and hear South
03:32Palantonio say that about Kenyon Sadiq,
03:34which I got to tell you, I was shocked.
03:36I thought we might talk about him mid-round.
03:38I thought a trade-up from 24 somewhere in there if you really wanted to go after the guy at
03:43like 20.
03:44But at number six overall, remember, this is under the guise that Carnell Tate would not be there at number
03:50six overall.
03:51And I'm thinking, man, if this draft is so wide open, how can I really trade back?
03:57It's showing me that I don't know how many teams are going to really want to trade up.
04:00Well, it also sounded like South Pal thought the Browns should take the tight end over Carnell Tate.
04:06That's what it sounded like to me in that clip.
04:07It sounded like to me that he was saying Carnell Tate wasn't.
04:10Listen, I thought he was saying during the interview.
04:11I might have misheard it both times, but I thought he was saying that if Carnell Tate is not there,
04:17then you take Kenyon Sadiq at number six.
04:20Yeah, just to me, this would make no sense.
04:23If we're sitting here punting on the wide receiver and the offensive line,
04:29allowing all the other teams to get in the way of whoever might fall down.
04:35Man, if you did something like this, then I definitely think you'd have to trade up from 24
04:40just because you have these two obvious positions of need.
04:45And I know, Kenny, you like to talk about, well, just adding good football players,
04:48adding good football players.
04:49Yeah, but that's not all you do in a draft.
04:51You don't just try to draft good football players.
04:53You also have to manage a roster.
04:56And where are the Browns going to get these positions of need they so desperately need
05:01when they're sitting here year after year bypassing wide receiver, offensive line?
05:06You can't just trade for all those guys.
05:08No, you can't.
05:08At some point, you've got to take them.
05:10And this is a draft where you have, you know, you're sitting there at number six.
05:14I agree with you that it does seem the way that guys talk about this draft that so many
05:19guys, there's just nobody stands out, right?
05:22Yeah.
05:22Like that is the ultimate problem with this draft is that, you know, nobody jumps up right
05:28in front of you where you're like, well, we can't possibly let this guy go.
05:31And because they need those positions, they've, they've, they've just so drastically ignored
05:38those positions for so long.
05:40It kind of forces your hand here in this draft.
05:43And so I can't, I can't go tight end just the same way that I talked about not being able
05:47to take running back at number six.
05:49I can't just do that and allow all these other teams to essentially steer you into a player
05:57later on that, that just doesn't make sense to me.
06:01So you, because of the position he plays, it doesn't make sense.
06:05Position matters.
06:06And they can't, they cannot sit here and bypass and ignore offensive line and wide receiver
06:11again when they're sitting there at number six, they just can't do it.
06:14But my, you see, this is my issue with it is that I don't think that we need to be
06:18so
06:18close-minded about it just because of the position.
06:20Now you could, I think they're left to be close-minded based on what they haven't done
06:25over the last three years.
06:26I think now they have to be close-minded.
06:27I'm going to usually get in a shouting match with you.
06:29I'm not going to do it here because I'm not going to allow myself to do it because
06:31I think you make a valid point here.
06:33If we were talking about, if we were talking about, I think that some of these teams get their
06:39reputations a little bit.
06:40Like I was talking about Eric DaCosta living off Ozzie Newsome a little bit.
06:43So maybe I want to use, let's just use Seattle as an example.
06:47Seattle has the slack to be able to go out and go, Hey, I know this guy's a tight end,
06:53but we can do things with him differently in the offense here and we can split him out.
06:57Jeremiah Love, I know this guy's a running back.
07:00There's no trust with the Browns.
07:01So me making that argument, you see, this is part of it.
07:04This is what the uphill battle I had with, with Jeremiah Love, like just opening up the
07:08consideration for him.
07:10It's the Browns.
07:10You've drafted two running backs last year.
07:12And then if you're going to talk about a quote unquote running back, even though you can
07:16do all these things like coach Lance, almost every Tuesday is saying how all these things
07:21you could do with Jeremiah Love that you can't just do with a traditional running back.
07:24And frankly, what you can't do with Quinchon Judkins, it doesn't matter.
07:28Cause it's thinking, well, you don't have a plan in the draft then, and you don't trust
07:31the Browns to be able to get out everything that he can do within an offense there.
07:36So I think I'm hearing what you're saying here.
07:38You just don't trust the Browns.
07:39Like, like, can you put it this way?
07:40Which is, I mean, no, there's no reason to.
07:42They, they, they have by all accounts, they had a good, a really good draft last year.
07:47Okay.
07:48I mean, I saw people comparing it to some of the great drafts.
07:51Okay.
07:52But then.
07:52It's a tremendous one.
07:53But then.
07:53That's why Andrew Barry's still here.
07:54And they took good football players.
07:56But then the roster management side of this, where you took, Hey, we all like Quinchon Judkins,
08:02but they took another running back.
08:04Uh, they, they, I, nobody really wanted who they took in the third round, but they took
08:09another quarterback.
08:10And it's like, this, this is where you get to where if you followed up the following year
08:14and then either take a running back or a tight end, then it's like two straight years.
08:19You're going to do this.
08:20You're going to double down on these positions.
08:21And, and that's why they are not premium positions.
08:24And that's one of the reasons why, yeah, I can't sit there and pound the table and say
08:27that this is like, I'll pound the table all day long for Carnell Tate, which I told you
08:31there were some people who got ahold of it goes, well, where's your host dad?
08:33He's a host in Cleveland.
08:34I'm like, yeah, you guys, I'm sorry, guys, Arizona sports radio doesn't understand the
08:39whole dynamic of me being called a Michigan fan for crying out loud, but that's a conversation
08:42for another day when it gets broken down to what this football team is.
08:47I think that again, I can't, I have to stand down and say, I can't make an argument.
08:52I can only go on what I like and I can only go on what I would do.
08:55I would only argue with you that you should do what you believe is just because his, his
09:00position is listed as tight end or his position is listed as running back talking about Jeremiah
09:04love now, bringing him into the conversation.
09:06Do you just avoid it?
09:08Would you avoid it?
09:09I don't want you or Owen or John or Jeff or anybody else to avoid those guys.
09:15Just because I would expect this to be creative to a way where we can use these guys as weapons.
09:20However, with the Browns and the limitations that we believe they have and limitations
09:24of, of the trust that we have in them.
09:27Yeah.
09:27I know that this is an uphill battle.
09:29Kenyon Sadiq is a, is a very strong, very fast tight end, and he can do things for you
09:35that I don't think that a lot of other tight ends quote unquote can do for you.
09:40You do have Harold Fannin Jr.
09:41Who were very excited about.
09:43I don't want to overthink it as well.
09:44I don't think I would take Kenyon Sadiq at number six overall, but I, I, I just hear
09:49these names and the only name, just because of the investment that comes with them, the
09:55only name I just cross out and say, absolutely not to has been Ty Simpson anywhere in the
09:59first round, just because of the investment that ties into a quarterback, but everybody
10:03else, I, I just feel we need to have an open mind.
10:05I feel we need to have an open mind like Blake Miller.
10:07Yeah.
10:07I know Blake Miller played all right tackle in college, except for one game.
10:11I know that he can play left tackle for four years from 14 years old before that.
10:16I think there's some versatility there.
10:18I think there's leadership qualities there, but I don't think I was, I don't, I don't think
10:22I said yesterday, I didn't call anybody stupid for disagreeing because I think that this is
10:26a wide open draft and I'm looking for somebody solid and to take a guy like Kenyon Sadiq
10:30at number six, you got to really trust Todd Munkin, man.
10:35You got to really trust him.
10:38And then you got to really trust the quarterback to be able to get the ball in his hands.
10:42And those are two things that I think a lot of people trust Todd Munkin much more just
10:47because he's a first year head coach with the Cleveland Browns than they would in any
10:52sort of common sense in real life.
10:54I wanted to ask you a question.
10:55We went in a completely different direction just because of how wild the draft is.
10:59Let me ask, let me get back to business here.
11:01I want to play that Sal Powell again, coming up here in just a moment, because if you're just
11:04joining us, we're getting some wild names one week away from the NFL draft.
11:09We also have Cavs tickets coming up at eight o'clock this morning.
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11:20And listen, I will forget about Kyle Manzardo getting thrown out yesterday.
11:24I will never forget Kenny Lofton getting held up.
11:29That's all I'm going to say coming up at 722 this morning.
11:31So, because this is so wild, I'm going to play that Sal Palantonio clip here in a second
11:38again.
11:38But, do you think we should just stay put because it's, I got that two to tango, and
11:43because I got Eric DaCosta saying, well, you know, halfway through the draft, the talent
11:46seems to really fall off, which, boy, congratulations to the Baltimore Ravens that get drafted in day
11:52two and day three.
11:56Do you just want to stay?
11:58Because it's like, well, what am I trading back for?
12:02Am I just getting worse picks in the first and second and third round of a bad draft?
12:08You're just getting more cracks at it, right?
12:09That's all the draft is supposed to be.
12:11I guess so.
12:11You take as many shots as you can, and you hope, because we all recognize at some point
12:15there is a lot of crapshoot going on.
12:17General managers are all arrogant men, and I understand that you believe in your scouting
12:21system, but at some point there has to be a law of diminishing returns, doesn't it?
12:25So, does this make you just want to stay put, or do you want to wheel and deal?
12:29Yeah, I mean, the way that it's been conveyed to me, and look, you'll be hard-pressed to find
12:36consensus on a lot of this stuff.
12:37If you go back and look at whether it's Dane Brugler, Matt Miller, Daniel Jeremiah, you
12:43know, back in the day it was Mel Kuyper, and who was over at the NFL Network that ended
12:49up actually getting a job, you know, doing this for a living.
12:52Who is the antithesis of Mel Kuyper that was on the NFL Network?
12:55I can't remember his name right now.
12:56Frank Schwab.
12:57Daniel Jeremiah?
12:58No.
12:59So, you have all these guys, and then you can't really find the consensus on a lot of
13:05these, you know, looking back.
13:06And yet, this year, it does seem to be a consensus that nobody stands out.
13:11This is such a non-standout draft.
13:13And yes, it happens to be a draft where we have two picks in the first round.
13:17And again, I would do that trade all over again last year, too.
13:20I mean, right now, the Browns are looking like geniuses, even though they traded to get a
13:25second-first-round pick in this draft, which nobody seems enamored with.
13:28But we didn't think it was going to be that way.
13:30We really thought there was going to be a five-quarterback class.
13:32That's why a lot of folks are warning about in 2027, because they're talking about eight
13:36first-round quarterbacks.
13:37I know.
13:37I know.
13:38And Jeremiah Smith, you know, a part of next year's draft as well.
13:42So, with all of that said, I think the thought process is, because nobody stands out at the
13:47premium positions that, yeah, if you can just trade down, and we're not talking about like
13:53trading to the bottom of the first round or anything, but if you could trade out where
13:56the Cowboys picking, 12, that if you could get down to 12, there's no real loss there.
14:02You're still picking basically from 1 to 12, you know, from, I guess you'd say from 2 to
14:0712, because Mendoza's going number one overall, that there's no drop-off.
14:11So, if there's no drop-off, then yeah, if you can finagle your way back there and get
14:16another first-round pick in this draft, then now you've just got another swing for free
14:20almost.
14:21That's the thought process behind trading down, I think.
14:24Here is Sal Palantonio, ESPN, yesterday on Baskin and Phelps.
14:28He says, Kenyon Sadiq at number six.
14:31I want to listen to this again closely, because I might have misheard it yesterday and this
14:34morning.
14:35I want to clarify something about Carnell Tate in this clip here.
14:38Go ahead.
14:38If I'm the Cleveland Browns, and I want to try to build this offense into something that
14:44it wasn't last year, Kenyon Sadiq is sitting there when the Browns pick in the first round.
14:49He may not be.
14:50He's moving up on the board.
14:51You know, if the Browns are there at six and Sadiq is available, I take him.
14:55I take him right away.
14:56You've got to create matchup problems on this offense.
14:59He only scored 16 points a game last year.
15:01He only had 16 touchdown passes.
15:03There'll be plenty of wide receivers.
15:05I know people say Carnell Tate to the Browns there, and I'm all about getting guys who
15:09can put it in the end zone.
15:10You can find a lot of offensive tackles in this draft, especially lower in the first round
15:15and in the second round.
15:16You've got to have matchup problems.
15:18And to me, after Love, it's the tight end out of Oregon.
15:21You know, he ran a 4-3-9 at the Combine.
15:24That's the fastest at the tight end position in the last 20 years.
15:27He is a very aggressive player, big and strong.
15:32He will patrol the middle of the field, which will help the run game and help your quarterback,
15:36whoever's going to play quarterback for your football team.
15:39So I think this guy can do a lot of things for your offense.
15:43Just put him on the field, line him up anywhere.
15:45The annual fan mock draft is tonight, by the way.
15:47Game on in North Homestead, 7 p.m.
15:50Even if you don't have a team, stop on out because sometimes people don't show up and
15:53you might be able to get yourself a team.
15:54And still, it's a great time with Bud Light and everybody at 92.3.
15:57The fan.
15:57So I got confused.
15:59I beg your pardon.
16:00I am so one track on Carnell Tate.
16:02I made a mistake yesterday and a mistake here, and I apologize to everybody.
16:05He said, love.
16:06I put four letters together and just thought, Tate, I apologize.
16:08So he's saying over Carnell Tate is what he's saying.
16:12Aren't you hearing, when you hear that from Sao Pal, and there is a huge rise going on right
16:16now, and this always happens every year.
16:17There's some guys that get talked up.
16:18There's some guys that we feel like fall down.
16:20And then when you actually talk to the people that do this for a living later, they're like,
16:23those draft boards didn't change.
16:25Just because guys started getting more animated and having more vociferous conversations about
16:31him, that doesn't really mean there's movement on the draft board.
16:34But you know what I hear in all of this?
16:35I hear Kyle Pitts.
16:36I hear Kyle Pitts.
16:37Kyle Pitts got all the way up to number four.
16:40LeBron James and Cleats.
16:40And they were talking about him.
16:42You're exactly right.
16:43Matchup problem.
16:44He's still got plenty of great potential.
16:46I'm sorry.
16:46Go ahead.
16:47And you know, Kyle Pitts isn't some terrible player or anything like that.
16:51But at number four overall, when you're a bad team and you're taking tight ends, I kind
16:56of feel like that's the same situation here.
16:59Think about it.
16:59They had Pitts and Bijan Robinson.
17:02Those two are good players.
17:03Those two are good football players.
17:04Kenny, they're two good football players.
17:07But is that roster management?
17:09Is that good?
17:10Is that helping you advance to where you're actually able to win games?
17:14You know, yeah, you have matchup problems.
17:15That's great.
17:16But tight end is not that premium position.
17:19Running back is not that premium position.
17:21So it doesn't to me equate to winning football games.
17:25I know those are the guys you'll see in highlights.
17:28When you go to the highlights on YouTube or the NFL breakdown, you'll see those guys go,
17:32that's a good highlight.
17:33That's a good highlight.
17:34If you don't have guys who can get it to them.
17:36I mean, we can get Carnell Tate.
17:37And I'm taking Carnell Tate at six, knowing wholeheartedly that we can put Deshaun Watson
17:43or Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel or anybody else out there, and they might not be able
17:47to get to them, and it's going to feel like a waste to pick.
17:49I mean, good God.
17:50I mean, look at Jerry Judy.
17:51I mean, Jerry Judy thinks that we're all wrong.
17:52Jerry Judy believes that he's still a great player.
17:54He just can't have a quarterback that gets the ball to him.
17:58216-474-0092.
18:00I can't guarantee that a team's going to move up.
18:04It does.
18:04It makes me kind of want to stick around and go, well, what's the point of trading back
18:08and getting two whacks at a bad draft?
18:10You have to have a lot of faith in this front office.
18:15And how many Browns fans out there listening have faith in this front office?
18:19One out of ten?
18:20I mean, what's the approval rating of Andrew Barry?
18:22But when you don't have faith, doesn't it say, hey, throw more darts?
18:27Like, if you don't have faith in a GM, don't you want him to get another opportunity?
18:31If I don't trust the GM, then I'm thinking giving you more picks.
18:34It's like the Glengarry Glen Ross leads.
18:37Giving them to you would just be throwing them away.
18:39Let me get to Rich.
18:40Rodney and Litchfield, your first up on the fan.
18:43Well, guys, I've been saying this for 20 years.
18:47Looking at the teams that have been good the last 20 years,
18:51Steelers, the Patriots in general, they trade down, they accumulate draft picks.
18:57There is no magic formula to pick a guy and say, this is the guy.
19:02I was ecstatic with what they did last year.
19:05Ecstatic.
19:05They picked up a defensive lineman.
19:07They moved down.
19:09The draft was good.
19:11There's no guarantee at any of these numbers.
19:14There's no guarantee at number one that that kid's going to be good from Indiana.
19:17No guarantee.
19:18And I agree with one of the other guys on there.
19:21Sorry about the name.
19:22The more picks you have, the better chance that you have of getting players.
19:26I don't care if you're the Seattle team.
19:30I don't care if you're the Steelers.
19:31But let me ask you this, Rodney.
19:33Rodney, I'm not disagreeing with you.
19:36Because in general, I think you're right.
19:38I don't think anybody disagrees with you.
19:40Let me ask you this, Rodney.
19:42You trust you, and I trust you.
19:45It's a good plan.
19:46Do you trust Andrew Barry with even more picks?
19:49Now, last year might give you a little bit of trust, but I want to know that answer.
19:52I trust him more with more picks than I trust him with less picks.
19:58Fair point.
19:58I like it.
19:59Rodney, go ahead.
20:00Last year, my friends complained.
20:02We had a text link going, oh, my God, we didn't grab Hunter.
20:07We didn't grab Hunter.
20:07And I'm saying, we just picked up another first-round pick.
20:10We're not ready to win anything yet.
20:13We need linemen still.
20:15We need good offensive linemen.
20:17Great point.
20:19That's how you win football games.
20:21Did anybody watch the championship last year?
20:23I know it was college.
20:24Did anybody watch the pro championship game?
20:27How about last year?
20:29I mean, God, they destroyed, wasn't it Philadelphia?
20:31Who won it last year in the Super Bowl two years ago?
20:35Philadelphia destroyed Kansas City two years ago.
20:37And then this last year was Seattle.
20:39Yeah, a Hall of Fame quarterback couldn't get out of his own way.
20:44Because the line was good.
20:46Rodney?
20:47The defensive line was better than the offensive line.
20:50It's hard for me to fight you on that, Rodney.
20:52Thank you very much for the call.
20:53I don't think I want to.
20:54Because you would say, well, even if you didn't trust him,
20:56wouldn't you want to give him more wax at it?
20:58Because if all we're doing is trading down,
21:00it's not costing me anything but more picks.
21:01I don't think it's hard for me to do it.
21:01I don't think it's hard for me to do it.
21:01I don't think it's hard for me to do it.
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