00:00So we are, you know, six weeks after the NFL draft and our football team's putting out a lot of
00:08those videos that they put out this time of year.
00:11We're going to talk about some of those videos maybe later on in the show about, you know, when they
00:17were on the clock for Sonny Stiles at seven.
00:19And then, you know, the calls that, you know, went into the actual discussion of the pick, the back and
00:29forth between the guys on the discussion about the pick.
00:32And then everybody talking to Sonny Stiles when they picked him.
00:35Well, that stuff is out now.
00:36But what's also out is a Carnell Tate appearance on a Monra St. Brown's podcast yesterday.
00:45I want you to hear what he said.
00:47Remember, Carnell Tate was picked fourth overall by the Titans, which was surprising.
00:52And he was very surprised by it because he thought pretty much at the end of the day there was
00:58another team that was going to select him.
01:00First question is, did you know you were going to go that early?
01:03No, I didn't know I was going to go that early.
01:04We thought my draft started at eight.
01:07We said we started at four and then four to 15.
01:10But, like, realistically, I thought I was going to go like six or seven or eight.
01:14Did you have other teams you felt like they were targeting you that wanted you?
01:17I thought Cleveland, I thought they weren't going to pass up on me.
01:21And then also Commanders.
01:23So I think I was locked in with the Commanders.
01:25And then they were, like, saying that, oh, the Chiefs, you're not going to get past them.
01:29If you're there at nine, they're going to take you.
01:31But I thought I was going to the Commanders.
01:34Cardinal Tate thought he was locked in with the Commanders at seven.
01:39He ended up getting picked at four overall.
01:43This is so, you know, I think there's been so much conversation about the lack of wide receiver help for
01:52Jaden Daniels,
01:53the lack of a true wide receiver number two.
01:57And, you know, already criticism for Adam Peters and Lance Newmark and company for not, you know, adding more to
02:07the room.
02:07I mean, they've added Deami Brown and Van Jefferson and Antonio Williams to the room.
02:11They drafted Antonio Williams, as you know, in the third round.
02:16I don't know if Cardinal Tate had been there with Sonny Styles, who the pick would have been.
02:23But there's no doubt that Cardinal Tate was a guy that they were interested in taking at number seven, had
02:29he fallen to number seven.
02:30And, you know, before the draft, that particular week leading up to it,
02:35I think we all thought there was a pretty good chance Cardinal Tate would be there at seven.
02:39And I don't think a lot of people necessarily believed in Cardinal Tate is worthy of the number seven pick.
02:47I liked him personally for whatever it's worth.
02:50It's the draft we're wrong most of the time.
02:52But I actually view Cardinal Tate as even more than a high-end number two.
02:59I think he could be a future number one kind of receiver.
03:02I liked him at Ohio State.
03:04I like the talent.
03:04I love the hands.
03:05I love the route running ability.
03:07I love the clutch play.
03:10Everything about Cardinal Tate I liked more so than Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver from Arizona State,
03:16because Tyson had the injuries.
03:19And, you know, Tyson was on the board at seven.
03:23So, clearly, Washington, based on this, if we believe that Tate thought he was going to Washington at number seven
03:31for a good reason, that there was indication that he was.
03:36If you believe, and I do believe, that Cardinal Tate was certainly one of those players that they had targeted
03:42at number seven,
03:43they had Tate above Tyson because Tyson was on the board for them at seven, and they didn't pick Tyson.
03:49So, they had Tate ahead of Tyson.
03:53The reason, probably, is because of Tyson's injury history.
03:57Tyson had injuries at Arizona State.
03:59And Washington has already, you know, told us through what we learned about the negotiations with Terry McLaurin a year
04:06ago
04:07that analytically they believe, you know, receivers, once they get to a certain age, are more prone to injury,
04:14and you can't, you know, spend too much on receivers once they get into their early 30s.
04:19And the analytics on college-wide receivers who get injured are that, more often than not,
04:26that is a precursor of more injuries to come when they become professional players.
04:31So, Tyson, I'm assuming, was not a player Washington was interested in at seven.
04:37You know, and I'm saying that, like, if Stiles hadn't been on the board, would they have taken Tyson?
04:42Probably not.
04:43They liked Tate more than Tyson, it would appear.
04:45What I don't know is if Tate and Stiles were both there,
04:50which means that another player would have been, needed to have been picked, you know, in the top six
04:55for Tate and Stiles to have both been there.
04:59So, whether it was a Tyson that went earlier, you know, a Tyson goes to Cleveland at six
05:04instead of Cleveland trading it, or to Kansas City at six, you know,
05:09whatever the scenario would have had to have been for Tate and Stiles to both be on the board,
05:15what I don't know is would they have taken Stiles or would they have taken Tate?
05:23Would they have taken Delane?
05:24Had Delane not been picked at six with the Chiefs trading up to that spot?
05:29I certainly think that Delane is probably a player that they had some interest in.
05:35But, yeah, I thought that that was an interesting comment.
05:38And I think some level, some level, not, you know, 100%,
05:43of confirmation that Washington really did like Tate.
05:47And Washington really did want to, just like they did with Alec Pierce and Romeo Dobbs,
05:52they really did have upgrading the wide receiver room as a priority in this offseason.
06:00They were all in on Pierce.
06:02Pierce stayed in Indianapolis.
06:05They were all in on Romeo Dobbs.
06:07They liked Dobbs a lot and made an offer for Dobbs.
06:10And then after missing on those two, you know, they went out and they brought back Deami Brown
06:17and they added Van Jefferson and then they focused in on the draft.
06:23Clearly, for whatever reason, there wasn't, you know, a preference for Jennings out of San Francisco,
06:29but they focused on the draft.
06:32And in the draft, Tate may have been the guy at seven.
06:36Well, Tate goes at four.
06:38A surprise to everybody.
06:39When you think about that first round or the first, you know, seven picks,
06:45the surprise is Tate at four.
06:47Nobody had that.
06:49And we knew going into this draft that after Mendoza, there was like a bunch of players
06:54and nobody was convinced of the order, which made that draft kind of exciting going into it
06:59because usually you have a good sense of three, four, five, you know, two, three, four, and five as well.
07:05And then the draft becomes interesting in terms of what will happen.
07:09And that draft was interesting starting at two with the Jets following the Raiders selecting Mendoza.
07:16I don't know what Washington would have done had Tate and Stiles both been on the board.
07:21You know, it would have been hard for Tate, Stiles and Delaney to have all been on the board at
07:29seven.
07:31I don't know what would have happened in that scenario either.
07:34That's less realistic.
07:36It was realistic.
07:38Maybe not before the draft, but as the draft started to unfold, especially when Love goes three and Tate goes
07:44four,
07:44you know there's a chance Stiles is going to be on the board.
07:46And then it was Stiles and Downs and Tyson and would Delaney be there?
07:51You know, I still am going to be very interested to see what kind of career Ruben Bain Jr. has
07:58from Miami.
07:59He still would have been for me in terms of the tape, and I don't have any of the other
08:04information.
08:05He would have been to me the guy that I would have selected at seven based on the tape,
08:11based on the way he played football in college.
08:13I think Ruben Bain Jr. was the second best college player in America after Mendoza.
08:20I think he was that good.
08:22And I do think that short arms and all, his style and his motor do translate to the NFL.
08:29We'll find out whether or not Todd Bowles got himself a great player at 15 overall for the Bucs in
08:35Ruben Bain Jr.
08:35But, yeah, I think this is definitely a level of confirmation that Tate would have been an interesting,
08:47more than just a possibility, but perhaps a probability at seven.
08:53But if Tennessee had taken Stiles at four rather than taking somebody else,
08:59I don't know what the Stiles-Tate selection would have been.
09:03By the way, they're going to tell you now, no, it was Stiles.
09:06If Stiles made it to seven, Stiles was our guy.
09:09Of course they're going to say that now, but probably Tate was in the mix.
09:15Meantime, so you don't get Pierce.
09:18You don't get Dobbs.
09:20You add, you know, Deami and Van Jefferson, but that doesn't necessarily solve your problem, you don't think.
09:26So now you're honed in on Tate in the draft.
09:28You don't get Tate.
09:30And now Ayuk and others become more of a possibility.
09:36Look, I think before the draft we all said, draft Tate, but that doesn't and shouldn't prevent you from adding
09:43Brandon Ayuk.
09:44By the way, at noon, Grant Cohn, who's covered the 49ers forever, and he was the guy you mentioned to
09:52me the other day that kind of, didn't you say, or one of the callers say, that he has been
10:00more of a Brandon Ayuk supporter in this?
10:04He's been much more critical of the Niners in their front office.
10:07So we'll have him on at 12.
10:09That'll be good.
10:11Right now, let me just ask you, Max.
10:14Would you rather have Tate or Stiles?
10:20It's tough.
10:22I think I would probably prefer Stiles just because I need a long-term option as a defensive leader.
10:29I still have Terry McLaurin.
10:32I still have Jaden Daniels, and I still have a few offensive weapons, and I like the fact that Antonio
10:36Williams is also in the building as well.
10:39So I think I would probably have picked Stiles there because that was kind of my list at the time.
10:45It was Love, Stiles, and then Tate.
10:48So I think I probably would have preferred and stuck with Sonny Stiles.
10:53A friend of mine just texted me and said, don't you think Love was their number one had he dropped
10:57to seven?
11:01I think it was probably how their top three worked out.
11:05I think their top three was Love, Tate, Stiles, in that order.
11:09But I think it became more apparent as we got closer that more likely than not, Love wasn't going to
11:16be there.
11:17I don't know that Love was their number one.
11:20Mansour Delane even said at his introductory thing for the Chiefs, Mr. Peters, you're too late.
11:25So I think Adam had everybody on their toes.
11:28Yeah, I think Love, Tate, Delane, and Stiles were the four that were a possibility for them at seven and
11:39that they had them ranked in some order.
11:40I can't tell you what the order is, though.
11:42I'm not convinced Love would have been number one.
11:48I'm not convinced of that.
11:50But that's sort of because of how the way I felt about Love.
11:57I really think Love's going to be good, but I don't think he was worth seven overall in the draft.
12:02I don't know how they saw him.
12:04I will eventually get, as the summer goes on, I will eventually learn more, I think, about what maybe the
12:14order was.
12:15And specific to Love, what they thought of Love, or at least what their scouting department thought of Love.
12:21I'm looking forward to figuring that out.
12:23I mean, you know, it's the draft.
12:25It's like crapshoot.
12:28I'm happy with Stiles.
12:30Totally happy with Stiles.
12:31I think Stiles was a really good pick.
12:34I think he's going to be a really good player.
12:36I'll just say what I said.
12:37Draft night, draft next day, and the days that followed.
12:41His, like, all-world, all-time indie combine, I don't think that's necessarily the player you're going to see on
12:51the field.
12:52I don't think that's, you know, the 4-4 with the 44-inch vertical or whatever the vertical was,
13:00and the broad jump that was, like, you know, all-time, and this was the best workout ever for a
13:06linebacker.
13:06I think for those that didn't see, you know, Sonny Stiles play college football, you're going to be expecting, like,
13:14this sick, fast, ridiculous all-time athlete.
13:18Remember Mike Mimoula?
13:20I think I picked in the top 10, had an all-time indie combine testing, turned out to be a
13:25bust.
13:26I'm not comparing Stiles to Mimoula.
13:29I think Stiles is a great football player, and I think he's very athletic.
13:33But I don't think all-world athlete, you know, is what you watched when you watched Sonny Stiles play at
13:43Ohio State.
13:44What you saw was a great, instinctive, big-time physical player who was also very athletic, with long arms and
13:56tall,
13:57more than, oh, my God, this guy is a blur, like Sean Taylor was as a player.
14:05Interesting, though, from Carnell Tate.
14:07He thought that Washington was locked in on him at 7, and maybe they would have been.
14:15It'd be interesting.
14:16I mean, I think a lot of the conversations we've had, you know, over the last six weeks, five weeks
14:21since the draft,
14:22we would have had far different conversations had they selected Carnell Tate.
14:27I know some of you didn't love Tate and thought seven was too early,
14:31but the conversations we've had about the number two wide receiver would have been muted for the most part.
14:38There would have still been some Brandon Ayuk chatter, but with the behavior of Ayuk here the last week,
14:46it would have been a lot easier for everybody, not just maybe, you know, a slight majority,
14:51but everybody to just say, no, thank you, we're good.
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