00:00It is Ohio State's Pro Day, and it's interesting.
00:03Like, obviously today is about Carnell Tate for a lot of Browns fans.
00:07Man, I've got to be honest with you.
00:09You just look at this, the kids that can come in this year.
00:12There's at least four guys I would have no problem drafting.
00:15Actually, I would say three guys I wouldn't have a problem drafting
00:18with the number six pick.
00:20And then once you get into the second or third or fourth or fifth round,
00:23there's another four or five guys that I was like,
00:26oh, I think that guy could really play well here.
00:28Even like a Caden Curry, the defensive end who only played one year,
00:32him as a fifth rounder feels like a real win for you
00:34as you're trying to find your next kind of developmental pass rusher.
00:37Yeah, but if we're just talking just from pure overall grading,
00:40not caring about the rankings, not caring about positional value
00:44or anything like that, I think Jeremiah Love for a lot of people,
00:46just from a pure football sense, might be your number one off the board.
00:49But there's how many different Buckeyes in the top five?
00:52Sonny Stiles has to be there.
00:53Reese has to be there.
00:55Caleb Downs has to be there.
00:56You can make a legitimate argument that you have three, four guys
01:00that are just existing in that top little stretch
01:03if you're not worried about position,
01:04if you're just talking about overall talent.
01:06And I do think this is going to be a really fascinating year
01:08just for the Carnell-Tate situation
01:11because I do think the Browns have zeroed in
01:15on something that had evaded them the first 18 years they were back.
01:21It's good to draft good Ohio State players.
01:23And I'm glad.
01:24I'm glad we learned that.
01:25I don't know why it took us 18 years,
01:27but I'm glad that the Browns learned when you have one of the best football programs.
01:32No, no, no.
01:33One of the three elite football programs down the road
01:36that constantly puts NFL players into the actual league,
01:41maybe you should go and draft them.
01:42That being said, I think Carnell-Tate's got to be a –
01:46for an organization that has cared about marketing implications,
01:50I think Carnell-Tate feels like the most dangerous guy
01:53just because I think he'd be the most popular pick you could make right now.
01:56He would be the most popular pick, I feel like.
01:58But it's such a safe pick to myself,
02:00and I feel like that's another thing that fans are kind of gravitating towards.
02:03One drop all last year,
02:05and the idea that, yes, there's not an extremely high upside,
02:10but at number six overall,
02:12are you looking for number one with a bullet,
02:15or are you looking for someone that for the next five years,
02:17you know you can put in there,
02:18and he can at least challenge to be a number one,
02:20and he's going to make a lot of catches, a lot of receptions,
02:22but ultimately he's not going to burn you.
02:23And I feel like this is the divide,
02:24this is the question I think Browns fans have to ask themselves.
02:27Like, how rich do they want to go?
02:28I like to go rich.
02:29I like to go big for these type of things,
02:31but like how rich do they want to go,
02:32or do they want to take what seems to be like a sure bet?
02:35Yeah, and it's funny.
02:36This is where I get to remind people there are no sure bets in the NFL.
02:40You can count on any given year, in any given situation,
02:43guys that were sure bets.
02:44Trevor Lawrence was a sure bet.
02:47What, five years, six years in?
02:48I don't think anybody still knows how good or not good he is.
02:51Robert Gallery, way back in the day,
02:53out of Iowa was a sure bet.
02:55Turned into a nice little plucky left guard.
02:58Like, there is no such thing as a sure bet in the NFL,
03:01but when it comes to Carnell,
03:02I also think the other kind of feather in the cap
03:05isn't just the Ohio State thing,
03:07although that is huge around here.
03:09The other big thing is that he is a bigger body wide receiver.
03:14And I think a lot of Browns fans have kind of dialed into,
03:20we don't just need a receiver.
03:22We need a big body receiver.
03:25Which, again, do they need one?
03:27Yes.
03:28Do they need that to also be their best receiver?
03:31No.
03:32You just need a number one receiver.
03:34Like, I think if the Browns think Mekhi Lemon is wide receiver one.
03:38I never thought of him as like a massively, like a big body.
03:42He's about 6'3", 200, right?
03:436'2", and a quarter is what I got here.
03:45I got 6'2", and a quarter, 192.
03:48Like, I just, I never put that tag with him.
03:50And just watching enough Ohio State games,
03:52I never thought to myself, like,
03:53he's just a massive human in any sort of way.
03:55That's basically all I hear, is that he's a big wide receiver,
03:58and that's what, which, by the way, Jordan Tyson,
04:00I think is like 6'2", as well.
04:02He's 70th percentile in height.
04:03He is 40th percentile in weight.
04:05So, like, if Ohio State fans are thinking that,
04:07that's just not, it's just not accurate.
04:08I've heard it multiple times.
04:10As a matter of fact, because I took Jordan Tyson in a mock draft,
04:13where basically I was just bored and having fun yesterday.
04:16You like Jordan Tyson, though.
04:17I do, too.
04:17No, no, I do.
04:18I do, too.
04:18But I think that's what gets lost here.
04:20I'm not out on Carnell Tate at 6'3", completely.
04:23I just, I think we have to be realistic about what we're getting.
04:27Like, if Carnell Tate isn't a number one receiver,
04:30this is, okay, it's very similar to the Mason Graham thing,
04:33where, like, Mason Graham last year was great at the run,
04:37was okay at points in the pass rush,
04:40but people didn't see his value because, you know,
04:43he didn't have seven sacks up the middle.
04:46So there was a big talk in November,
04:48why'd we draft this guy if he's not an elite pass rusher?
04:51And then it gets into, like, positional value.
04:55Guys, wide receiver is even more apparent on that.
04:58So if everyone, if we all sit here and agree,
05:01yeah, if he's T. Higgins, cool, we're good.
05:04Cool.
05:05Awesome.
05:05Like, you know, make the pick, move on.
05:07I have a problem.
05:08I have a feeling that people saying, cool, move on,
05:12he's a number two wide receiver, fringe number one, whatever,
05:16those same people are going to be very upset in November
05:19when he's not taking over games or making whatever quarterback ten times better.
05:23When he's got 800 receiving guards and a couple touchdowns.
05:27Yeah, because at number six overall, you want somebody that is a game changer.
05:30You want someone that's going to completely change the math
05:32and the equation on everything.
05:33I just don't know that Carnell Tate is that.
05:35I'm interested in him, but I'm not salivating at the mouth the way I am,
05:39at least when we talk about Tyson, for instance.
05:41Like, I think there are – so I think Jordan Tyson is the clear –
05:45like, I think he just will walk in and I think he's going to be number one.
05:48I think Mekhi Lemon might be.
05:50I just – I get stuck on the slot thing.
05:54I shouldn't because, like, that was a knock on JSN,
05:56and JSN played – it was like three to one or four to one snaps
06:00on the outside last year than at the slot.
06:03So that was a guy that was supposed to be a slot
06:05that has clearly played on the outside.
06:08But when it comes to the number six pick, if all he is –
06:11like, if you're a slot receiver at six, you better be Puka Nakua.
06:16You better be, holy crap, I can't believe the stats
06:20that this guy is putting up level good.
06:22But I think those two guys can give you number one production.
06:26I think one's a number one receiver in name.
06:29I think the other guy can give you number one production,
06:32and I think Carnell can be a 1,000-yard receiver.
06:35He also might be an 800-yard receiver.
06:38And so, like, when I look at Carnell, I'm like, man, I loved Carnell at 24.
06:43Number two receiver range there.
06:45And then if he's better than that, holy crap, it's Justin Jefferson.
06:47Yeah, but it doesn't seem likely that he's going to be there at 24 at this point.
06:50No, 100%.
06:51And so, like, it's going to be really interesting to see, like,
06:52if the Browns love him enough, it's like your one shot at him is six.
06:55Unless you trade down, I just don't know how realistic that is at this point.
06:582-1-6, 4-7-4, double-0-9-2.
07:00But to get back to the Browns side of this, I think they're going to be having
07:06the safer pick version versus a guy with real injury concerns.
07:10And they've had, by the way, they're just coming off the Deshaun experience
07:13of a guy that is never on the field that might compound this.
07:17Well, I think they're also going to be weighing, too, Nick,
07:19the idea that if you don't take a wide receiver at number six overall,
07:21the one at number 24, at least what the Muppets and the draft community
07:25continue to tell us, it's not that large of a difference.
07:27They continue to stress the idea that the difference between Carnell Tate
07:31and, let's say, Omar Cooper Jr. or Denzel Boston isn't miles.
07:35There's a difference, but it isn't miles.
07:36Well, and I think from the Browns' perspective, I think the Browns are keenly aware.
07:41I think it's why they've pushed Shador out on all these social media posts
07:45and marketing opportunities.
07:47I think they know that Browns fans are looking for more players
07:51to gravitate towards, right?
07:54Guys you can like is what you're saying.
07:55Guys you can root for, especially in the season if they play Deshaun Watson.
07:59Well, but on the offensive side of the ball specifically,
08:01if you don't have a franchise quarterback, all right,
08:04who's going to be the face of the offense?
08:06Oh, well, hey, this guy went to Ohio State.
08:08This guy's got a lot of fans here.
08:09Like, I can understand if they're seduced by that specific to this year,
08:15given that they've had a winning and likability problem on offense.
08:19Yeah, what's interesting is that we – so obviously Denzel's great
08:21and everyone loves Denzel, but like Judkins, for instance, like Judkins,
08:26I think because of his issues off the field, you just never got to run away with it the same
08:30way.
08:30You know, like they never – because the off-the-field issues happened,
08:33we never got to kind of just fully embrace and be like,
08:36the Ohio State guy, he did it, now he's here, and this is awesome,
08:39and now we're off to the races.
08:40I also don't think it helped that he was really, really good for about half the season,
08:44and when that offensive line hit the you-know-what,
08:47his production fell off the face of the cliff, too.
08:49No, sure did.
08:50I think people – and man, do you think people – in my head,
08:53it felt like people were lining up to go ahead and get right on board
08:56with everything Judkins is, and then it did.
08:58He hit a wall, as you mentioned, and the offensive line didn't help that at all,
09:01but yeah, there was a real problem there.
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