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00:00So I think I know what I want the Browns to do, depending on what Andrew Barry wants to do.
00:05This is not a prediction of what the Browns are going to do.
00:07It's what I would do.
00:08I've thought about it for a while.
00:10This is what I'm going to do.
00:12Personally, I think Andrew Barry is going to do everything he can to trade out of that spot,
00:15get more picks, maybe try to do his best to get a pick for 2027,
00:21and see what he can do from there.
00:23So we're getting excited about some names.
00:25I'm just going to go at it as if I'm at six,
00:28because, again, I don't know who's going to trade up at six.
00:31Like, who's going to come up?
00:33Is somebody going to come up for Ty Simpson at six?
00:35People have conjured up a bunch of Dallas Cowboy scenarios.
00:38Well, Dallas is crazy enough to do it, but some of the crazy scenarios.
00:41Like, I saw a Bleacher Report one.
00:43Of course, it included you-know-who.
00:46It was like, well, the Browns get another first-rounder in 2026.
00:49I don't need another first-rounder in 2026.
00:52If you're making that trade with that guy, you-know-who,
00:55we're going to 2027 with those picks.
00:59I don't need, in an arguably not great draft,
01:03I don't need all them picks in 2026.
01:06You do need players, okay?
01:08If you want to make this a four-first-round pick thing or something like that,
01:13you better guarantee me something in 2027.
01:15We're going to do that.
01:15So, yeah, the Cowboys might be a team that would do something like that, okay?
01:21But I just think that mostly, who do people usually move up for?
01:25There has been a history of yesteryear where you would move up for a running back.
01:30No.
01:31So, maybe some wide receivers.
01:34Even with the resurgence of the running back position, I still don't think so.
01:37I don't think so.
01:38I mean, maybe if it were like, I mean, you mentioned Washington.
01:41If Washington, because it's only a one, it's one pick away.
01:44If you want to do it, fine.
01:46Because somebody else might be, you know, I might, hey, I got the Cowboys on the line.
01:50Better make a deal.
01:50Like that type of thing.
01:51Who knows?
01:52Even though it's a fan, you always feel stupid having to trade up one spot.
01:56You're like, we just got conned.
01:57Yeah.
01:57You always feel that way.
01:59So, I have my plan at number six and number 24.
02:01Let's say we're just staying where we're at right now, okay?
02:04Because I can't guarantee what other teams are going to do and other teams are going to move.
02:07Who do you think I'm going to take at number six?
02:10I thought it was just going to be Carnell Tate.
02:12Okay.
02:13Because I'm an offensive line guy and I figure you might, may not have been paying attention to me
02:17and you might stereotype me.
02:18I'm taking Carnell Tate.
02:20Okay.
02:20You can put him on the outside.
02:22You can line him up almost anywhere.
02:23He's going to be a great wide receiver.
02:25If I use the word solid, people don't want solid at number six overall.
02:28They want number one quality wide receiver.
02:31But that's not this draft.
02:31I think people got to get that out of their minds.
02:33Like I joked over the weekend that Carnell Tate was the sixth best player on Ohio State last year.
02:38That's just how good Ohio State was.
02:39And we're getting him at number six overall.
02:41You feel like you want something better than that.
02:43But, you know, Jeremiah Smith's not available in this draft.
02:46Exactly.
02:46By the way, would he go number two in this draft?
02:49Would he go number one?
02:50If you gave an option, Sam Block is a media member who asked this question.
02:57I kind of wanted to do it as a diabolical one in case people got out of line during coming
03:01in hot on Friday.
03:03He asked the question, if you could take Jeremiah Smith knowing you could not use him until 2027, would you
03:10take him in this draft?
03:11And I'm like, yeah, absolutely.
03:12I ain't going anywhere.
03:13But I will take Jeremiah Smith.
03:15It'd be a tough pill to swallow for a while.
03:17But at least the hype machine would go up.
03:20That doesn't mean that Carnell Tate's bad.
03:25You're just – it's a generational type of athlete that Jeremiah Smith is.
03:32If you're on the other side of Jeremiah Smith, one guy's going to make plays.
03:34It's the same thing that one of the knocks on Caleb Downs is, you know, where's he at on tape?
03:38It's like, well, when you're playing with a bunch of all Big Ten, all American guys, guys who are top
03:44ten picks.
03:45I mean, you've got three guys defensively there that are going to be top ten picks for crying out loud
03:49or could be top ten picks.
03:50You can't make all the plays.
03:51You can't make all the plays.
03:53So, I say the same thing about Carnell Tate.
03:57You can't have the ball thrown to you all the time because they're going to number four.
04:00So, to make a short story long, I'll take Carnell Tate, number six overall.
04:07It won – let's get the easy stuff out of the way.
04:10It's going to make your fan base happy.
04:12Fan base watched him on Saturdays.
04:14They know he's a good player.
04:15They're going to watch him on Sundays.
04:17Plays for the Browns.
04:19Everything mixes.
04:19I don't have to sit there and yell about Andrew Barry not being a pro day.
04:24You guys had him all along.
04:25There he was.
04:26He's on your bullseye.
04:27There you go.
04:28Let's see if you can get the ball to him.
04:29Will they put six overall pick and first wide receiver off the board expectations on him?
04:33As far as?
04:35Are they going to treat him like he's Jamar Chase?
04:39He wasn't Jamar number one overall?
04:41That next year?
04:43Are they – first wide receiver taken in a draft.
04:47Normally, the expectation is number one wide receiver with a bullet on your team
04:52and a chance to be one of the best in the NFL.
04:55Nobody really feels that way about Carnell Tate.
04:56Yeah, but the draft's the draft.
04:58Yeah, so I'm saying –
04:58And I'm saying if I'm stuck at six, I've got to make the best pick for my team.
05:01Will fans understand that and temper expectations and treat him like T. Higgins instead,
05:07which is the name that gets brought up?
05:08Because T. Higgins, I think, could be a legitimate number one on another team.
05:13He wouldn't be a Jamar Chase or he wouldn't be one of the other – you know, Justin Jefferson
05:19or one of the other big names that we bring up, but he'd be a number one.
05:22If T. Higgins is your best wide receiver, we'd say he's a number one,
05:26but the other team's defensive coordinator is not panicking all week going,
05:31oh my God, this guy can be a game changer and we have to pivot
05:34and put the whole defensive assignment on stopping him.
05:36They do that for Jamar Chase.
05:38I know I'm getting the best of both worlds with this guy.
05:40Okay, he's got great hands.
05:42He's got good – I know there was the one drop pass against Miami.
05:45He's got great hands.
05:46He's got body control.
05:47I know the 40 was a little bit slow for what people would like a wide receiver to run,
05:52a top 10 wide receiver to run, but honestly, I will give up some foot speed
05:56if I know that a guy can go up and catch the ball and be able to secure it.
06:00Like, people keep bringing up KC Conception and that's, hey, fine,
06:04but when I keep hearing about hands, I'm like, well, we always keep drafting parts
06:07of a wide receiver.
06:08We don't take the whole thing.
06:09So this is number six overall.
06:11I'm going to take a whole wide receiver.
06:13I'm going to take Cardinal Tate.
06:14So this is the number 24, and this is where I know I'm going to get the side eye from
06:18people.
06:19At 24 overall, and I've hemmed and I've hawed, I'm going to take a left tackle.
06:25All right?
06:26I'm going to take a left tackle.
06:28And I'm going to take, because Monroe Freeling is going to be gone.
06:34Spencer Feneau is going to be gone.
06:36Moanoa is going to be gone.
06:37And some of these guys are left, right tackle, guard, things like that.
06:41I'm going to take Blake Miller.
06:42Okay.
06:44Now, you didn't side eye at me because you don't know the backstory right off the rip.
06:48And I'm not going to rip you for it.
06:49These are offensive linemen.
06:50I don't expect you to.
06:52They expect me to.
06:52I come to Ken Carman for the nitty gritty breakdown of offensive linemen.
06:55Inside he has not been injured, knock on wood, he has played a tremendous career at left tackle for Clemson.
07:05Now, Davo Sweeney is going to oversell on everybody.
07:08I mean, he tried to get us to take Taj Boyd years ago, which still probably would have been better
07:12than what we have.
07:13Still, he's got an attitude.
07:15He's a leader.
07:16I think he was a captain.
07:17I've got to go back and see.
07:18Okay?
07:19That part, that's off.
07:20Okay?
07:21The feet, he lunges a little bit.
07:23These things can be fixed.
07:25You can work with some of this stuff.
07:26Okay?
07:27Are we not playing nitty gritty football breakdown here?
07:29Well, he's got a lot to do.
07:30He's got a lot to do.
07:31Let him do his thing.
07:33Let him do his thing.
07:34Oh, and I wasn't.
07:35We're good.
07:36So, this is why you're going to side eye me and everybody else is going to side eye me.
07:41He went to Clemson.
07:43Where is he from?
07:46This is what I hate.
07:47I'm going to take him number 24.
07:49What, Parts Unknown?
07:50He is from Strongsville, Ohio.
07:51Oh!
07:53Northeast Ohio guy.
07:55And I can't win.
07:56Because I'm telling you guys, he could be from Temecula, California.
08:00He could be from Detroit, Michigan.
08:02This is a good football player.
08:04This is a first-round type of player.
08:07This is a back-end first-round type of guy.
08:09This is a good football player that you can take.
08:11And I'm telling you right now, I think he could be a week one starter for you over there,
08:14left tackle.
08:14I know we got DeJuan Jones.
08:16I think we're trying to fit square pegs and round holes here with DeJuan Jones over left tackle.
08:20Guys, he is clearly uncomfortable at left tackle.
08:23All right?
08:24There's no other way to say it.
08:25He's uncomfortable doing it.
08:27And if you have a fourth-round guy who you're trying to force it, why do we keep trying to
08:31force it?
08:31Let's have a nice fit and a good football player that's going to come in with a kick-ass attitude,
08:36a good attitude, the type of person that you want out of Northeast Ohio
08:40to have that type of attitude and go play his ass off for the next decade for this football team.
08:45And I ain't got to worry about it.
08:46I'm not going to throw Joe Thomas' name around.
08:48I'm not going to throw Doug Deacon's name around.
08:49I'm just going to tell you what I see.
08:51In a draft like this, I want solid starters.
08:57Blake Miller, I'm going to put him at left tackle,
08:59and we're going to give him a contract in five years or four years,
09:03and we're going to be able to set our watch to him for the next decade.
09:06That's where I'm at on that.
09:07So there's my picks.
09:08I thought I would do it later, getting closer to the draft,
09:11and I went, you know what?
09:12No time like the present.
09:13I'm going to do it, and I'll deal with everybody going,
09:15Ken just wants to take him because he's from Northeast Ohio.
09:18All right, fine, whatever.
09:19I'll deal with that.
09:20I know a good football player when I see a solid football player.
09:22I'm going to take a solid football player.
09:23If you're telling me he's a good football player.
09:26Do you believe it when I tell you he's a good football player?
09:28Yeah, why wouldn't I?
09:29So I will take Carnell Tate at six.
09:34I will take Blake Miller from Clemson at number 24.
09:37Four, and listen, I know he played right tackle.
09:42He's a natural left.
09:43I can put him over there at left tackle.
09:45Let's set sail.
09:46DeJuan is clearly uncomfortable.
09:48We all like DeJuan Jones.
09:49I like DeJuan Jones.
09:50I think he's more of a right tackle.
09:52Maybe he needs some time still coming off the injury.
09:55He looks great, though.
09:55So, I mean, who knows?
09:56But because you made the trade for a reason,
09:59so you're going to put Titus Howard over there at right tackle, right?
10:01That's what you're going to do.
10:02But I'll take Blake Miller.
10:04I'll put him over there at left tackle.
10:07I will start him from week one.
10:08I think he can be a starter from week one.
10:10I think he's a high-energy guy.
10:13I know he's a high-energy guy.
10:15I know he's a great leader.
10:17I know people down there that absolutely love him.
10:20The only issue is because he's from Strongsville.
10:23Of course, everybody's going to start saying,
10:25well, Kenny, you're going to be a homer about this.
10:28Except you didn't want Mitch Trubisky because of a lot of reasons.
10:32But you have not been a guy that just says,
10:35take the Northeast Ohio guy,
10:38make him say dog pound a bunch of times right off the rip.
10:41You haven't done that every year.
10:42No.
10:43So I would say that's an unfair complaint
10:46if anybody registers that in your direction.
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11:00So, listen, I'll take...
11:02Which, I did misspeak.
11:03I beg everybody's pardon.
11:05He played, I think, four years at Strongsville
11:07in high school at left tackle.
11:09They had him over at right.
11:11I think he's a natural lefty.
11:13I beg your pardon.
11:14Beg everybody's pardon.
11:15I remember seeing him because we played him a lot.
11:17But it's been a while, right?
11:18The guy's a fine player, fine person.
11:20I'll stick him over at left tackle.
11:21I'll set sail.
11:22I'm not going to throw Joe's name out there.
11:23I'm not going to throw Doug's name out there.
11:25Holy cow.
11:26Well, he's a grown man.
11:27I mean, we're talking about, what is he?
11:28I wrote down 6-7.
11:29It was like when he left Strongsville,
11:31he was just a boy.
11:32But now, he's a man.
11:33It's a coming-of-age tale.
11:37You're beautiful.
11:382-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
11:41So, you're okay with that?
11:43Well, look...
11:44It's not sexy.
11:45It's just...
11:46Like, listen, when I'm at 24,
11:48I need solid players.
11:49The biggest predicament for the Browns at 6,
11:52given we all know what their needs are,
11:54is that if this were any other draft,
11:56you would take, if he's available,
11:59the top offensive lineman.
12:00Right?
12:01That would be...
12:01That would go without saying.
12:02Why do we say that?
12:04Because we know it's harder to get these guys
12:06later in the draft,
12:08especially, you know,
12:09we're fortunate to have two picks
12:11in the first round.
12:12It's unfortunate that Jacksonville
12:14had the year they did.
12:15Yeah.
12:15But, typically,
12:17you're always able to get
12:19very talented wide receivers
12:21that can be even number ones,
12:23you know,
12:24later in the first round
12:25into the second round.
12:27Now, we know the checkered history
12:28of this team,
12:30this organization,
12:31drafting wide receivers later.
12:33But,
12:34you always try to build this thing
12:36on the inside out
12:36and in the trenches
12:37and on the offensive line.
12:38And it just so happens
12:41that as down as we talked about
12:43in terms of premier wide receiver talent,
12:46not that Carnell Tate
12:47can't be really good,
12:49it seems to be even worse
12:51for the offensive lineman.
12:52Like, there's not the obvious guy.
12:54And so,
12:55and
12:57I start to listen to some of the experts on it.
12:59And I'll tell you who really sold me here
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13:19Mike Tice was the one
13:20who kind of sold me.
13:21I hear Nate Tice's podcast.
13:22I know they had him on,
13:23I think, in the afternoon.
13:24He's a West Coast guy.
13:29I,
13:29now,
13:30oh boy,
13:30now Zach's texting me.
13:34You've got to specify.
13:35Zach Morris?
13:39Galifianakis.
13:40Oh,
13:40Zach,
13:40oh,
13:41Zach Jackson.
13:41Zach actually likes it.
13:42Okay.
13:43All right!
13:43Zach actually likes my plan!
13:45All right!
13:47All right!
13:48All right!
13:49I thought someone had died.
13:51Oh my God!
13:52Or,
13:53we were going to have to take the show
13:54in an in-memoriam direction.
13:56I'm not going to read the rest of the text.
13:58I took me through more of that first game.
14:00Said the rounds are going to show you
14:01how the game is great.
14:03Hell is frozen over.
14:04You guys see eye to eye on nothing.
14:07And you can tell that I've known Zach
14:09since I was like 20 years old
14:11and that he's basically
14:13my guiding post in so many ways
14:15because his opinion matters that much
14:16and I was that relieved.
14:18He was okay with me?
14:19What?
14:21Oh my God!
14:23That might be pathetic,
14:24but maybe it's the truth.
14:25I'm going to get to Rossini here in a second.
14:27She ain't going anywhere.
14:28Hold on.
14:28Okay, Will,
14:29just,
14:29I love doing these exercises
14:31even though you might listen and say
14:32it's irrelevant
14:33he's not in this draft,
14:34but I like to do it
14:35just so we can kind of
14:37carve out expectations
14:39and all that stuff.
14:39If Will Campbell
14:41was in this draft,
14:43where would he go?
14:44I don't know.
14:45Just because he was under the microscope
14:46last year.
14:47Well, because he had a great season,
14:49he got hurt,
14:50and then he was playing injured
14:51in the Super Bowl
14:52for crying out loud.
14:54Clearly.
14:54So, I felt bad for it
14:56because, yeah,
14:56he got absolutely smoked
14:58in the Super Bowl,
14:59but he was playing injured,
15:00which I got to tell you,
15:01you know,
15:02I think we had a conversation
15:03after the Super Bowl.
15:04What do you do?
15:05Do you go out there
15:07and your whole job
15:08as a football player
15:10is supposed to be a warrior,
15:11quote unquote,
15:12go out there and play injured.
15:13You get criticized if you don't.
15:14Like Jared,
15:15what did we,
15:15I mean,
15:15J.B. Pickerstaff
15:16was calling out Jared Allen
15:17for crying out loud.
15:18And it was causing
15:20so much unease
15:21and apprehension
15:22that his coach
15:23needed some R&R time
15:25at the end of the Super Bowl.
15:27Okay.
15:29It's just a transition now.
15:31Yeah, it is.
15:31All right, we ready?
15:34We ready to do this?
15:36We are.
15:36We are,
15:37because we...
15:39Well, wait a minute.
15:39You know what?
15:40I'm going to put it off one more.
15:41Let me take Michael and Akron
15:42because I don't want to get to this.
15:44Go ahead, Michael.
15:46Good morning, guys.
15:47How are you doing today?
15:48Doing well.
15:48Go ahead.
15:50There are seven good tackles
15:52in this draft.
15:53Unfortunately,
15:54five of them
15:55are right tackles
15:56at the college level.
15:57Blake Miller is a great player,
16:00but I'm not convinced
16:01that he can be
16:02turned into a left tackle.
16:04Well, I looked into that,
16:06Michael.
16:06I think that's a valid concern.
16:07I think that's a valid...
16:09Well, go ahead
16:09and finish what you were going to say
16:10because maybe I'm cutting you off.
16:11Go ahead.
16:12Go ahead.
16:12Go ahead.
16:12No, actually,
16:13I was going to turn it over to you.
16:15What have you seen
16:16that makes you think
16:17he can turn into a left tackle?
16:18Well, one,
16:19he played it
16:19all throughout high school.
16:21I think he's got
16:22the athleticism.
16:23There's a couple of things
16:24that he does
16:25blocking-wise.
16:26Now, this was also highlighted
16:27by Mike Tice.
16:28There's a couple of things
16:28he does blocking-wise
16:29that he'll get on his toes
16:31where you usually do want
16:32your feet planted
16:33into the ground
16:33when you're in the run-block game,
16:35things like that.
16:36But if I got a guy
16:37who can go out there
16:38and play right tackle
16:39and let...
16:39And I know that sounds
16:40like somebody familiar here,
16:42okay?
16:42I get that.
16:43But we're talking about
16:43a guy who
16:45was a team leader.
16:46According to what
16:47I just got texted,
16:48of course,
16:48I give it away,
16:49he missed like two practices
16:50over four years at Clemson.
16:52The only knock on him
16:53is he's a little bit older.
16:54Like, I think there's
16:56really good players here.
16:57And maybe he doesn't
16:58start week one, Michael.
16:59Maybe you put DeJuan Jones
17:00over there
17:00and we all hold
17:01each other's hands.
17:03But I think that he's going
17:04to be a really good
17:05football player
17:05and I think that I want him
17:07to be...
17:07I'm looking for a solid player
17:09at 24, I guess.
17:10Like, the star power
17:11isn't there.
17:11Let me take a tackle
17:12and let's just hold each other
17:14and make sure it works.
17:17I think he's a safe player
17:19to get in the first round.
17:20Awesome.
17:21Michael, thank you very much.
17:23Because I'm not...
17:25I'm doing it the backwards way.
17:27I understand that.
17:27So I was a little bit afraid.
17:30Usually I would take...
17:31You would sit there
17:32and take the offensive lineman.
17:34But, you know,
17:35I keep hearing about the...
17:36And there is versatility.
17:38And maybe I'm stuck
17:39in an old-style way of thinking.
17:42Where a guy plays one position
17:45but I just think it's very,
17:46very, very hard
17:47to move these guys around
17:50and put them in different spots.
17:52And so when we hear about Feneau,
17:54yeah, you know, Feneau,
17:54you can put him on the left side,
17:55you can put him on the right side.
17:57Ah, you know, Lemieux,
17:58you can put him on the left side,
17:59you can put him on the right side.
17:59And I'm making the same argument
18:01for Blake Miller,
18:01but I think that naturally,
18:03I mean, this is a guy
18:03who's played this position before.
18:05And because of the...
18:06I need a solid football player
18:08at 24
18:09who's also going to start to turn...
18:11And this is a terrible,
18:12terrible argument
18:13for a lot of folks.
18:14You guys are going to roll your eyes.
18:15He's going to start to help
18:15turn the culture around.
18:17Because I'm going to need a guy
18:18to start setting the record straight.
18:20I got Carson.
18:20I got Carson Swessinger.
18:22All right?
18:23I had, unfortunately,
18:26I had Jeremiah Owusu-Koromoa.
18:28But, you know,
18:30that's tragic.
18:31And, I mean,
18:32brought me to tears the one day
18:33talking about it earlier
18:34this offseason.
18:35And so I need guys
18:37that are going to be
18:37in that locker room
18:38to set this team
18:40on the right path
18:42emotionally.
18:43And I think that
18:44you have some guys
18:45on defense that can do it.
18:46I think Alex Wright
18:47has come into his own.
18:48And I think a guy
18:49like Blake Miller
18:49on the offensive side
18:50can do it as well.
18:51That's where I'm at on this.
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