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00:00Draft coming up on Thursday. Andrew Barry asked a pointed question from Nathan Zagura about what do we know that's
00:08going to happen over the weekend.
00:09And of course, very Rumsfeldian answer from one Andrew Barry.
00:13In terms of people knowing the real draft board, that's everybody involved in the process.
00:17This past week during April meetings, I don't believe in hiding the board.
00:22We ask a lot of work, so they'll see how we have players stacked across positions and things like that.
00:28And we have a group that has proven very trustworthy over a long period of time, scouts, analysts, and coaches.
00:34And we've never had a problem with that type of information getting out.
00:39So there are no knowns and then there are no knowns with Andrew Barry about this draft.
00:44We had Andrew Siciliano on the show last night for the Cleveland Browns draft preview show.
00:49And it was clean sweep.
00:51Now, we had Nathan on on Friday. He backed me up.
00:54He wants Carnell Tate and he wants Blake Miller at 24.
00:57I told you earlier last week, before we had Nathan on, I'm picking Carnell Tate at 6.
01:02I'm picking Blake Miller at 24.
01:05Siciliano came on and said he would take Carnell Tate at 6 and he would take Blake Miller at 24.
01:11And we looked at each other and it was three guys.
01:13So they're saying, we're like, not the angle happen.
01:15If there's three of us, the voice of the Browns, Nathan, who's the color analyst of the Browns,
01:20and just me, who just is the great big cartoon character before they take the stage.
01:25If all three of us are sitting there saying the same two guys, it just ain't going to go down
01:29that way.
01:29So I have to be ready to pivot and have to be ready to make amends and not be so
01:35hung up on.
01:35And I think that this is the perfect draft for it.
01:38Like I've heard, you know, Nick and Jonathan have been pretty passionate about Jordan Tyson.
01:42And if you've noticed, I'm not, I'm not hammering him like I would other drafts about a guy.
01:45I think that there's really a high ceiling there with Jordan Tyson.
01:48I just get worried about the injuries.
01:50I get worried about people starting to get too worked up about the highlights.
01:53Like there's not a lot of exactly what's going on right now.
01:55Well, and that sounds interesting to me because I look at a guy like Carnell Tate and I'm like,
02:01yeah, there's not as many highlights because he's not Jeremiah Smith.
02:03But what I see is just, I see solid wide receiver play.
02:07That is a number one in this league that I can go and put out there for eight years.
02:12And I just don't, and I know there's been some injuries there with Carnell Tate as well.
02:15Okay.
02:15That's not lost on me, but I think I'm going to find, as Nick had said, five to eight years
02:22of really great wide receiver play.
02:24And I just don't think I'm going to have to worry about him the way I might have to with
02:27other wide receivers.
02:28And plus it's not just that I'm taking solid.
02:30And I think I'm taking solid at 24 and that's what I want to do.
02:33I think if you reverse manufacture it and go with offensive line or,
02:37the inside out thinking, which is classic, which is the way I was raised.
02:41When you go offensive line first and then wide receiver second, I think in this draft,
02:46and it's not this way in every draft, but I think in this draft, you could run yourself
02:49into some serious problems there with two projects.
02:52And that could be a scary scenario for a team that only won five games last year.
02:56That is tough.
02:56That is absolutely tough to do because, you know, we always wonder every day that you're
03:01a Browns fan.
03:02Is the coach on the hot seat?
03:03Is the GM on the hot seat?
03:04Um, just based on until you have like real talent, that is, you know, something that
03:09you can stack up against other teams.
03:12Uh, they've made a big step yet.
03:13Last year, last year was great from Andrew Barry in a lot of ways on, you know, adding
03:18to that roster.
03:19And this year, you know, you got two cracks added at the first round.
03:22I know it's a bad draft, but as I've gone over, like this, this hall of famers taken
03:25in every draft, even in the worst drafts ever guys emerge.
03:29So on paper, it might not look that way.
03:31Um, you wonder how disciplined they're going to be.
03:33And now with the giants with, with two cracks at it in the top 10, like, can they control
03:39the draft?
03:39Uh, how many offers the Browns going to be fielding when it comes to this, you know,
03:44Cardinal Tate, like his highlights are not, they're not going to be as impressive as Tyson,
03:50but that certainly doesn't mean that he couldn't be a better wide receiver.
03:54Um, I, I, I heard guys yesterday, Todd McShay and Daniel Jeremiah, they were not buying any
04:02of this crazy, huge talk and stock rising here over the last two weeks of Tyson.
04:08They're not, they're not going to be as enamored with just random practice video, which is what
04:14fans do.
04:15Fans get enamored with that stuff.
04:16Guys that actually either have done this for a living or do this for a living.
04:19They're not as impressed with that.
04:21I mean, I, I go back to, and I hate to bring this up because I'm sure, well, Brandon
04:25Ween's a nice enough guy too, but like, I remember the clay pigeon video on, on sports
04:30science with Brandon, Brandon Ween.
04:32I'm going, Oh God, this is going to be ridiculous.
04:34And, and again, it's not, it can't just be parlor tricks.
04:36Like they got to know how to read a defense from, from where they're lined up.
04:40They got to know how, what, what route to run.
04:42They got to know how the depth they have to know, understand they, they have to understand
04:45so many things about route running.
04:47It's not just about, there's a lot of guys who can make circus catches, acrobatic catches.
04:51And it's great to be able to do that.
04:52And trust me, I want guys with, with strong hands.
04:54I don't need a guy that goes out there and runs a four, three.
04:57Corey Coleman ran a four, three.
04:59We took him in the first run.
05:00He couldn't catch a cold.
05:01So I don't need a guy to actually, actually run a four, three.
05:04I need some separation.
05:04And I need a guy who knows what the hell he's doing and can catch footballs and actually
05:08be a wide receiver, which we just take PC parts of wide receivers.
05:11We never take the full thing.
05:13And that's part of why I want Carnell Tate so bad.
05:15But because three of us are saying it, it just does seem to be kind of always the way
05:20it goes where it's like, all right, I don't want to sit there and bad mouth Jordan Tyson
05:25where you could very well get Jordan Tyson.
05:27Spencer Fano is a good, is a good offensive lineman.
05:30Do you end up getting Spencer Fano there?
05:31And do you take another guy where Spencer Fano might be more plug and play there at number
05:35six overall.
05:35And then that, that lessens your chances of two quote unquote projects there in the first
05:40round.
05:41There's a lot of opportunities to do something here.
05:43It is because people don't do, if you've noticed it, man, people here don't really like change
05:49a whole bunch and they don't like being made to do things they don't want to do.
05:54So it doesn't surprise me that there has been some pushback and I, Hey, I've been one of
05:59the people like, Hey, this is, I'm doing this for effect.
06:02I don't want to sit here and spend the rest of the freaking show on what people wear to
06:05basketball games, but it doesn't really surprise me that, yeah, they, you tell people from
06:09Cleveland, they got to do something.
06:12I don't know how well they're going to take that.
06:15So like, that's, I haven't been surprised why I've seen some pushback on the shirt.
06:19And I'm just like, Hey man, I, I can try to talk you into things and I would wear it.
06:23I would try to, if I could fit in the thing.
06:26I don't like, I like, I'm easily swayed by peer pressure.
06:31And I also think that that lesson can be carried over to the way things have been with you
06:36and I and other people at the station.
06:38But really another, cause you know, when I, I put out how good last night's game was and
06:43I got some people dumping on it, going, Hey, this is only the, this is only the Raptors.
06:48I swear to God.
06:49Now that's the internet.
06:50That's the internet.
06:50But we've had callers of the station.
06:52Hey, you know, it's only first round.
06:54There's only Toronto.
06:55You're supposed to be Toronto.
06:56This is our first trip into the post season.
06:58And I can sit here and beg them all.
07:00I can't force them though.
07:01I can beg them going, guys, I can warn you about the future.
07:04All I want.
07:05I don't think it's going to compute with some, and I don't know what it's going to take to
07:08change that thought.
07:09Other than maybe we're just not talking to that.
07:13If I'm talking to that audience too much and I still can't get them going, maybe I'm just
07:17talking to the wrong audience.
07:18Cause I still think that 85, 90, 95%, a very vast majority are like, yeah, go Cavs.
07:24Want to see the Cavs do well, guys.
07:26Want to see them do well.
07:27And I think that there's a lot of people on board with us where I mentioned to you,
07:31I was so impressed with James Harden and Evan Mobley last night.
07:34I didn't know Donovan Mitchell was a leading scorer.
07:35And I forgot that Donovan Mitchell has back-to-back 30 plus point games.
07:39Donovan making circus shots, bailout possessions, a game that a lot of teams would have lost.
07:44Yeah.
07:44Quite honestly.
07:45Because I'm going into this post season.
07:47There's a lot at stake here.
07:48The trade with James.
07:50James is future here.
07:51Donovan's future here.
07:52But really that's not the biggest thing to me.
07:54It's, it's James and more so it's, it's Evan Mobley.
07:57So I've been watching Evan Mobley like a Hawk.
07:59And I think a lot of people are like, yeah, they want the best results too.
08:02And I just don't want to start narrow casting to a percentage of the listeners.
08:07I'm glad you listened to us, but I can't sit here and just beg 5% of the audience to
08:12come along.
08:12It's just, you're not going to get everybody after you've been a pretty successful franchise,
08:16but for the last four years, but I just disappointed some of them.
08:19I get that.
08:20It's a team that had all the flame outs.
08:22Okay.
08:23So I mean, we hammered the Cavs last year after they lost to the Pacers,
08:27even though they had all those injuries.
08:28Injuries were significant, obviously they're healthy now, but not only are they healthy,
08:32I think Evan knows what his role is and I'm sorry, nothing personal to Darius,
08:38but James is just a much better basketball player.
08:42He knows his game inside and out and he's more skilled than Darius is and he's reliable.
08:47And I know it's crazy for a guy who's MO when people talk about James Harden,
08:52they're like, oh, that playoff choker.
08:54But they only think of the last games of the years and some of the terrible,
08:58terrible game sixes or game sevens on the biggest stage against really good teams.
09:04Yeah.
09:04He's had those terrible, terrible games.
09:06He's also had a lot of great playoff games to get to the terrible game.
09:10And I just want to know if anybody has changed their mind, if they were like,
09:14ah, the Cavs have the flame outs and they, their answer was James Harden,
09:19the playoff choker.
09:20Now that you've seen them, have you changed your mind at all?
09:24That's all I'm asking.
09:25I would hope that some of them have, but I don't think they're going to allow
09:29even the opening round to change their mind.
09:31I, I, I, and I don't think that us challenging them or the rubbing their nose
09:34into it is going to change that.
09:36Cause what am I going to do?
09:37If the Cavs win the championship, you think I'm going to sit out there with a
09:40clicker and count all the people who are allowed to celebrate and not allowed
09:43to celebrate.
09:44I'm not going to do that.
09:45And I don't think that anybody cares to sit there and be a gatekeeper on
09:49celebrating.
09:49If the Cavs win a championship, I mean, there's some people who will,
09:52but I can't count that.
09:53I mean, I, I just look at it and go, I say, Hey, the more, the merrier.
09:55Okay.
09:56I want to get this RJ Barrett audio and coming up here shortly.
09:59Cause I want to, I want to play that with his respect on Mitchell and Harden
10:02and how big of a problem they are.
10:03Cause there's a question in there as well.
10:04And then I'll get to the Ryan Wilson.
10:05But my point is how impressed I was with last night, where you get out
10:10rebounded.
10:11I thought you out toughed him inside and you got out rebounded.
10:13I think that Thursday is going to get chippy.
10:15I think that this is their last gasp.
10:18I think that you frustrated them incredibly last night.
10:21Scotty Barnes ended up with 26.
10:22I don't think he scored a point until the third quarter.
10:24Nine minutes left to go in the third quarter.
10:25And then he got going in a big way.
10:27And he, cause he's a, he is a really good basketball player,
10:30but I thought that Evan Mobley altogether played better.
10:33And remember, Scotty Barnes has to be the number one for the Toronto Raptors.
10:37I mean, you can argue it, but Evan Mobley doesn't.
10:39And I think there's a difference there.
10:40Here is RJ Barrett, one of the leading scorers for the Toronto Raptors,
10:44talking about James Harden and Donovan Mitchell and how big of a problem they are.
10:48To be honest, they're a problem.
10:50They're a problem.
10:51And we got to go watch the film and figure out how to fix that.
10:53So he's concerned about those guys.
10:55And I think that they should be concerned about those guys.
10:58But I have a series that continues on Thursday.
11:01And I, I really think that this is a frustrated Toronto team.
11:04I'll leave it here on my side.
11:05I'll let you finish up your thought on it before we get to this Ryan Wilson audio here
11:09that we had earlier from 720 this morning.
11:12I think you got this team, you have them on the ropes, that's easy to say.
11:17But I think they played as good a brand of basketball, they would disagree.
11:22They played as good a brand of basketball as I think they're going to against us.
11:25And I think that Thursday, there could be some pushing and a shoving,
11:29especially if you get up by double digits at some point.
11:31They're going to be desperate.
11:32I think you heard it there, though.
11:33They know they don't really have an answer for two superstars who are playing at a high level.
11:38And the crazy thing is, Donovan is capable of playing at an even higher level.
11:43James, I think he's just pretty steady.
11:45He knows where his game is at.
11:47Outside of him, you know, just going off from three-point range.
11:50I think you're getting pretty consistent efforts from James.
11:53We know he can also have, you know, really bad shooting games.
11:56But it seems like he's not going to force the issue.
11:59And that's been the issue in a lot of his big flame-outs is him taking 25 shots
12:04and hoisting threes like crazy and dribbling the basketball, dribbling out the clock.
12:10He didn't have to do that here.
12:11And I just think the Raptors know that if James and Donovan play good games,
12:18they can't beat them.
12:19And that's a huge difference in this series.
12:21Ryan Wilson joined us at 720 this morning.
12:23Here's Ryan on something I've been trying to tell everybody about for the last two months.
12:27The only question is, I don't know who's going to be there.
12:29I don't think Jeremiah Love's going to be there.
12:30If a team wanted to move from Jeremiah Love,
12:32I'll be sort of surprised if an Arbel or a Sonny Stiles are there.
12:36So they may be stuck at six just because there's no one for another team
12:39to want to leapfrog and come grab.
12:42You know, I've always had to ask that question.
12:43It's like, hey, it's easy to say trade, trade, trade, trade, trade, trade, trade.
12:46If no one wants to move up with you, what are you going to do?
12:48You might end up being stuck and having to make a pick there at that number six spot.
12:52Now, when they make that pick on Thursday, if they are still stuck at six,
12:56they're going to say they had this guy in his sights all the entire draft process
13:00and they're going to build them up because no one's going to come out
13:02and say stupid things about them unless they're a really stupid organization.
13:06And the Browns have been silly at times.
13:08They ain't never been that stupid, at least not that I know of.
13:11If you're stuck at six, you know, again, I want to go –
13:15because some of this stuff just – you had a really good draft last year.
13:18And I don't want to sit there and be afraid of anything.
13:20You had a really good draft last year.
13:21I think if you come away with three starters in the first three picks of this draft,
13:25I think it's a tremendous success considering how down everybody is about it.
13:28So I kind of want to just be able to hit doubles.
13:31And when Nick and Jonathan bring up Jordan Tyson, and a lot of other people do too, I get it.
13:37I don't think you're stupid.
13:38I'm not disagreeing with you.
13:40I think that he does have a high ceiling.
13:42But also I want to guard against what the floor could be.
13:45And I think that Carnell Tate certainly raises the floor
13:47and could be a really good wide receiver, a legitimate number one in this league
13:50and a legitimate number one for this quarterback, whoever it may be,
13:53where you go, okay, I dig that.
13:55What I am afraid of is what Ryan said also in the interview about Caden Proctor.
14:00I like Caden Proctor at 24.
14:03I like Caden Proctor as more of a project.
14:07But – and don't take this personally.
14:10I made the joke to Ryan, I have to pay attention to this sort of thing.
14:13I know – I'm not trying to be, like, self-deprecating.
14:18I know what I look like.
14:19And I am sensitive to it as a radio show who's talking about athletes
14:22because it's hard for me to sit here and talk about other people's weight
14:25and say that they're out of shape and fat and things like that.
14:28I'm not calling Caden Proctor or any of those things.
14:31But I also know that I think it's – I believe it's easier for an offensive line coach
14:36to add weight on a guy than to take it off during the season.
14:40And if all of a sudden he finds himself slow, then you know what people are going to say.
14:45And I don't want that for the Browns.
14:47If Andrew Barry can get starters out of this draft, I think that you're looking at him going,
14:54I know the first couple – or the first five drafts were terrible for the most part.
14:58Not for the most part, but there were some bad ones.
15:00But these last two drafts have been great, especially if you look at what this draft is.
15:05I want to feel good about it.
15:06So I'm just like, hey, just go up there and slap a double down the line
15:09and let's get on base and let's get this going.
15:11Instead of trying to hit a home run and taking hell hacks for a guy like Caden Proctor at six.
15:15I like Caden Proctor, but not at six.
15:18I like Monroe Freeling.
15:19I like his actor not at six.
15:20I just wonder if the only reason at this point, based on everything we've heard,
15:26that they would go offensive line at six is because they're petrified
15:31about not being able to get one at 24, which I don't think is –
15:35I'd be more petrified about not being able to get a wide receiver that you trust at 24.
15:39By the way, very similar because we're hearing about runs at both positions
15:43kind of in the middle of the round.
15:46So it is interesting.
15:47Like I've said all along, I could actually see them sitting at six
15:50and then moving up from 24 to make sure they get somebody at that other position.
15:56Now, I have heard a lot of people, just based on what Andrew Barry said
16:00over the last few days, I've heard a lot of people think that,
16:03well, you know what, maybe they're not just going to think about offensive line
16:09and wide receiver in the first round.
16:10But I'm telling you, Ken, I still will be pretty surprised
16:13if that's not the order of operations one way or another.
16:17Like that wide receiver, offensive line, or offensive line, wide receiver.
16:22I will be surprised if they go other positions.
16:25Well, I'll tell you my emotions.
16:26Like if they were to take an offensive lineman at number six,
16:30like if they took Mauino, if they took Feneau, one of those two guys that go,
16:34that's a nice solid pick.
16:35Okay, we'll see what happens at 24.
16:37Maybe they can move up a wide receiver.
16:38Ken, just go two for two on pronunciations.
16:40I think you did.
16:41I think you nailed it.
16:42We got somebody breathing down our neck.
16:44I'm getting harder in my old age.
16:45Oh, God.
16:45I will wait for the pronunciation police to weigh in on this.
16:48There's another wide receiver.
16:50I don't want to put Kenny on the spot here.
16:52There's a wide receiver.
16:52No, there's the offensive lineman, Maxiano.
16:54Oh, no, there's a wide receiver that you have not been hitting.
16:59You're not batting 1,000 on.
17:03Hold on.
17:05It's KC Concepcion, isn't it?
17:07Yeah, except for it's KC Conception.
17:10Well, there was Dave Concepcion there.
17:13That was in 1970-something.
17:15Okay, but Carmen was pronounced Carmen in the 1300s.
17:19He has a little thing over his E or his O or something.
17:22Didn't Dave Concepcion?
17:23No, KC Concepcion doesn't have any of those little.
17:26Does he have an umlaut?
17:27Yeah, any of those little things.
17:28I don't think it's an umlaut.
17:30A squiggly?
17:30I don't know what they're called.
17:32What is that called?
17:34You sit there.
17:35Slashies.
17:36My Spanish.
17:37I got to go back to my Phil Steele book and Mark.
17:40You're going to the video.
17:41I got to figure that out.
17:42See how many times I watch Texas Tech.
17:44You sit there and you watch Texas Tech all year.
17:46And I'm serious.
17:47You look at them and go, hey, KC Concepcion did a good job with.
17:51And then you can say, immaculate reception by KC Concepcion.
17:57Concepcion.
17:58Reception.
18:00You sit there and you watch all these games.
18:03Is it a Tildy?
18:04Tildy?
18:05A Tilday?
18:05You come.
18:06I just want to point this out.
18:07Tildy, huh?
18:08Tilda Swinton.
18:09You go.
18:10You coach football on Saturday.
18:12You come home.
18:12This is woe is me.
18:13I'm going to do it.
18:14Feel bad for me, everybody.
18:16You go.
18:16You coach football.
18:17And then you get home and you watch college football.
18:20And then during the week, because you have the past, you go back and you watch the games
18:24previous.
18:25And you watch, because you're a big fan of Mike Elko, you watch 10 games of Texas A&M.
18:30And you can't say the guy's last name right.
18:33And you have a boss who just busts your ass to pieces over the pronunciation.
18:39Doug Deacon didn't have to deal with this.
18:42Of course, I'm not Doug Deacon, so what are you going to do?
18:45It's true.
18:46Oh.
18:46It's true.
18:48Oh, boy.
18:49What's the point?
18:50What's the point?
18:52Get out of the game, Ken.
18:53Hell no, I'm not getting out of the game.
18:55Well, then get better.
18:58Good speech.
18:59You helped me there.
19:00Coming up at 925.
19:01You're right.
19:02Stop the woe is me.
19:04In the words of Keith Wakefield, this woe is me, my dog just died, Bolshevik.
19:09Of course, he said the other word.
19:10I'm not getting out of the game.
19:10I'm not getting out of the game.
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