00:00She had mentioned Ty Simpson in the Browns.
00:02And Ty Simpson, the quarterback from Alabama,
00:04who basically was the starter there for one year,
00:07did really well for the first half of the season, got injured,
00:11and then didn't do as well.
00:15But mentioned Ty Simpson.
00:17And that's a name that, as we've gotten a little closer to the draft, Andy,
00:22has not popped with the Browns, I think.
00:27ESPN has a mock draft out.
00:29They have, and it's a compilation of a bunch of their guys,
00:32including Mel Kiper and Field Yates.
00:34They have Simpson going with the first pick of the second round to the New York Jets.
00:39I told you what Pete Briscoe said.
00:40Which makes a ton of sense.
00:41Pete said?
00:42Pete said 24, first round.
00:44To the Browns.
00:45To the Browns, yeah.
00:47If it's still an issue, wouldn't that make perfect sense at 24?
00:53What's the issue?
00:54The issue is, what's Todd Monk can think?
00:57Does Todd think?
00:58Yeah, Deshaun.
00:58What is Todd Monk going to learn about his quarterbacks between now and the draft?
01:01That's my question.
01:03Enough to say we've got to draft this kid?
01:06Possibly, yes.
01:07Wow.
01:08He's going to break down tape like crazy.
01:11Also, are you handing that first round pick to your head coach?
01:13If you're the general manager?
01:15No, but if you're the general manager, you haven't gotten quarterback right yet.
01:18Maybe you should listen to somebody else.
01:23It's not how you become a GM in the National Football League.
01:26I don't think you're listening to anybody else.
01:28You can't.
01:29Because if it costs...
01:30Well, maybe you do because Deshaun Watson's here.
01:33Maybe Deshaun Watson wasn't his call.
01:35That's what I'm saying.
01:36Yeah.
01:37How does that happen?
01:38You listen to somebody else.
01:39That's right.
01:39Listen to somebody else and barely hang on to your job.
01:41At least that's the way it looks on the outside.
01:43Where on the inside, it doesn't feel that way at all.
01:47If the Browns evaluate Simpson highly and Munkin likes him.
01:53Now, those are two big ifs.
01:54Yeah.
01:56Why wouldn't you take him?
01:58Absolutely.
01:58You would take him.
01:59I can't...
02:00Jeff, we argue about a lot of things.
02:02But if you think Ty Simpson is a game changer.
02:06If you think Ty Simpson can lead your team to the promised land.
02:09Then six is no price.
02:11If you think he's going to be as good as Kirk Cousins in his heyday.
02:20Okay.
02:22You might have to take him.
02:26Okay.
02:27You're not filling me with enthusiasm.
02:30I wish you could find another quarterback.
02:31No, I know, but Kirk Cousins has made a lot of money and has played some pretty good football.
02:34Yeah, but made a lot of money.
02:35No, but he's played some pretty good football.
02:37Okay.
02:38That's the second part of that.
02:39Is that what we're going for?
02:40Are we going for pretty good football or are we going for pretty football?
02:42Have you seen the quarterback play here in Cleveland?
02:44Oh, yeah.
02:45Yes, I have.
02:46Would you like some pretty good football?
02:48I would like competitive football.
02:51My bar is lower.
02:53Okay.
02:54My bar is lower than pretty good football.
02:56What I want is championship football.
02:57Then maybe if Todd likes him.
03:02Maybe competitive football is what he can give you.
03:06I don't know, man.
03:07If you're the captain of the Titanic, you better make sure you've got a pretty good orchestra.
03:12There's a new captain.
03:13And he has a better map of where the glaciers are hiding.
03:16Okay.
03:16Well, he has a new orchestra.
03:18There's an iceberg there.
03:19And can they continue to play as the ship is going down?
03:22Go left.
03:25Keep playing, boys.
03:26I know this is your first year as the offensive line, but just play until the ship goes all
03:30the way down.
03:31This map says the iceberg is straight ahead.
03:35But it's far enough away.
03:36Just go left.
03:38Listen, if we sign the iceberg for, I don't know, biggest contract in the history of icebergs,
03:45and then we give away a couple of picks to the penguins on the outside that are selling
03:50the iceberg, you know, you never know.
03:52They may get Muriel Lemieux out of it.
03:54Dan and I had the exact same look on our face.
03:57What?
03:57This.
03:59You're the one that started talking.
04:00Are you driving the Titanic?
04:03That's the question.
04:05No, you're not driving the Titanic.
04:07You can't tell me until you're not a little bit of fear.
04:11You're Todd Munkin, man.
04:11You're optimistic.
04:12You're pumped up.
04:13This is your chance, Andy.
04:15You've waited your entire career for it.
04:17You spent seven or eight years at Eastern Michigan hoping to one day be a head coach
04:20in the NFL.
04:21I'm going to be honest with you, Jeff.
04:22I'm surprised you haven't said, well, why hasn't this guy been hired before?
04:26Why doesn't anybody else like him as head coach?
04:28Why didn't anybody hire Bruce Arians?
04:30I agree.
04:31Because they screwed up.
04:32We wanted Bruce Arians.
04:33So do you think we got Bruce Arians?
04:35Is that what you think?
04:35I don't know.
04:37I hope you're right if you think that.
04:39I could see you saying, you know, the league didn't want him to be a head coach for
04:42years.
04:43That's all right.
04:44The league doesn't want a lot of guys to be a head coach.
04:46And they can be successful.
04:47They cannot be successful.
04:48But you're like really good at saying, well, you know, they liked him so much they passed
04:52on him because they didn't draft him.
04:53Or they liked him so much.
04:54Why do I have such a handle on the language?
04:56I get that out quickly?
04:57You say stuff like that.
05:00Those are Phelps-isms.
05:02Well, they didn't like him so much.
05:04They drafted him in the fifth round.
05:06Every team passed on him five times.
05:09It seems to me that you follow a similar little vein of conversation there.
05:14No, I've just absorbed this through osmosis.
05:18Like the Wonder Twins.
05:20Shape of water.
05:23Form of what?
05:25If Munkin likes Simpson.
05:26Demon was one of them.
05:27I always thought osmosis was more falling asleep on the textbook and hoping that you'll remember
05:30biology in the morning.
05:32If Munkin likes Simpson.
05:34It doesn't work that way?
05:34No wonder I had such bad grades.
05:36And Andrew Barry reads what Paul DiPodesta left behind.
05:39And it says, we like Simpson.
05:42Why wouldn't you draft him?
05:44Did I miss something?
05:45Did DiPodesta say that he wanted Simpson?
05:47I was kind of trying to be cute.
05:48How'd that go?
05:50I just got really worried there because it sounded like you were telling something.
05:53You know why DiPodesta likes Simpson?
05:55You mean like when presidents leave notes to the next president?
05:57Thinks he'd play a fine left field.
05:59Oh my God.
06:02No.
06:03We're in trouble.
06:04No.
06:05Seriously, why wouldn't you take him?
06:08I would take him.
06:09If they believe, listen, if they believe Ty Simpson is the guy to lead this franchise to
06:16the playoffs and beyond, do it.
06:19If they think he could be a top half of the league quarterback.
06:23Why do you sell it short?
06:24You better believe that if you're taking Ty Simpson at six, he is going to take you deep
06:29into the playoffs.
06:30Or 24.
06:33At 24, just get me to the playoffs.
06:35If they like him at 24, there's no question they have to take him there.
06:39Well, they better believe you're going to the playoffs with him within three years?
06:43Oh, sure.
06:43Okay.
06:44Sure.
06:44I'm being generous, I think.
06:45Sure.
06:46Mary Kay also said, trade a pick for a veteran player.
06:49Yeah.
06:50I thought that was interesting.
06:51Hmm.
06:53What would you trade him for?
06:55Would you trade the 24th pick for A.J. Brown?
07:02Wide receiver Eagles?
07:03It'd be hard not to on that, don't you think?
07:05I think you'd need to get a pick back.
07:08I think it'd be pretty easy.
07:09He's 29, guys.
07:10Yeah.
07:11But, Dano, if you made a trade like that.
07:14Would you trade six or only 24?
07:16I would trade 24 either.
07:17If you gave up 24.
07:20I think you can get him for less.
07:21If you gave up 24 and got A.J. Brown and future draft assets.
07:27Remember, Andrew Barry worked with Howie Roseman for a year.
07:31There's a dialogue there.
07:32They could make something work.
07:33Right.
07:33He knows how much of a pain in the butt A.J. Brown is.
07:36I'm not arguing with you there.
07:39I think you'd have to get some draft capital back.
07:42Yeah, but every time we think this trade, and fans do this all the time,
07:46and I'm in that group, you're like, oh, you want to get A.J. Brown?
07:49You're going to have to give up 24 to do that.
07:51We overvalue someone because we're here.
07:56Can't you see?
07:57And we've seen other big-name players get traded.
07:59Like whom?
08:00Get traded for less.
08:01Who have we seen get traded for less?
08:02Oh, no.
08:03Oh.
08:03In other words, you think A.J. Brown might just bring a second?
08:07Maybe.
08:08It just depends on what Philly thinks.
08:10I'd be hard-pressed not to give up 39 for him straight up.
08:13Yeah.
08:15Yeah.
08:16Yeah.
08:17That's a pretty decent deal, don't you think?
08:19I would think that's real solid.
08:20And headaches aren't a problem here.
08:22You know what the only problem is?
08:24You would or wouldn't?
08:24I've got to pay him.
08:26I'm not handing out more contracts for was.
08:29I want to hand out contracts for is.
08:32And for what will be.
08:34If you pay A.J. Brown, you're paying him for was.
08:39Maybe.
08:40How much is longer on his contract, you know?
08:42It's one year.
08:43That's the reason he's on the trade block right now.
08:44Yeah.
08:45One year.
08:46No way.
08:47One year?
08:48No way.
08:48He wouldn't do it.
08:50Well, you wouldn't give up a second-round pick for a guy on a one-year deal.
08:53Exactly.
08:54You'd have to sign him to a contract.
08:55I mean, goodness, you traded.
08:57What was it?
08:57A third-round pick?
08:58Was it a fourth-round pick for Jerry Judy?
08:59And then you had to hand him a contract.
09:02I want to say it was a fifth.
09:04You think A.J. Brown's going to roll in here and not expect a contract?
09:08A.J. Brown's not going anywhere without a contract.
09:10I'm good.
09:12No, thank you.
09:13And it's the same thing with Brandon Ayuk.
09:15I'm good.
09:15No, thank you.
09:16I got enough headaches going on right now.
09:18I don't need more.
09:18Ayuk could be a little bit of a.
09:20I don't need to buy stock in a seat of mid-ofin.
09:22Trust me.
09:22We got enough headaches.
09:23How'd Michael Pittman end up in Pittsburgh?
09:25And Brown's running in on that.
09:26Anyhow.
09:27That's a really good question.
09:28Yeah.
09:28Anyhow.
09:29I'd rather draft a wide receiver and then maybe wait for some kind of falling out.
09:33And then, Andy, I'm with you.
09:35Try to get as many draft picks for next year to get that Jeremiah Smith guy.
09:37Because I've heard he's pretty darn good.
09:40I still have this one thought in my head that I like it a lot.
09:48Look around the league.
09:50Is there a quarterback sitting on somebody's roster who could become your Brett Favre?
09:57And what do I mean by that?
09:58A guy who was in Atlanta and was a backup and was deemed expendable.
10:08And I, you guys might know who I think is the guy that I'd go after.
10:13And it's not Anthony Richardson.
10:16It's Jalen Milrow.
10:20He was drafted slightly before the Browns took Dylan Gabriel.
10:24Right.
10:24It was Milrow the guy they wanted?
10:26I don't know.
10:27Felt that way before the draft, didn't it?
10:29Kind of did.
10:29Tommy Reese ties and all that when Tommy was here.
10:33But Sam Darnold's not going anywhere.
10:37I mean, he is a Super Bowl ring.
10:39He's not going anywhere in Seattle.
10:40And there sits Jalen Milrow.
10:43Backup quarterback.
10:45Actually, third stringer.
10:47Drew Locke is there, too.
10:49Could you get?
10:50Would you want a guy like Jalen Milrow?
10:53I mean, you talk about mobility and Todd Munkin's type of quarterback.
10:56I would think he's it.
10:58There are just options.
11:00And interesting options, I think, for the Browns.
11:02And I'm wondering if Andrew Barry pulls the trigger on anything interesting
11:07rather than just make your picks or maybe make a little trade down.
11:10You made me think about the second-round pick,
11:12about Andrew Barry trading second-round picks.
11:14It's interesting to look at the second-round picks he's made.
11:17Carson Schlesinger, home run.
11:19Michael Hall, still healthy.
11:22If he's healthy, it's not a bad.
11:23It was a good play.
11:24As long as he's still on the field.
11:25Jeremiah Wusu-Koromoa.
11:27I mean, health took him down.
11:28And Grant Delpit.
11:29So, yeah, maybe I'm a little less hesitant.
11:32He's made some pretty good decisions, too.
11:34So, it's kind of hard.
11:36Whatever you decided in the second round, please do it in the third.
11:38For the third –
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