00:00Todd Munkin was on the This Is Football podcast, and it's interesting.
00:07I think Todd Munkin is one of us.
00:10Oh, yeah?
00:11Yeah, because I think the thing that he said that sticks out about Shador
00:15is the same thing that you and I have said and why we enjoyed Shador's,
00:20was it, seven games that he played last year.
00:24I think you see playmaking ability.
00:26I think you see a player that is confident in his skill set.
00:30So when you see that playmaking ability and inner confidence,
00:33you say, okay, there's something to work with there.
00:36So I think that's the thing that excites you.
00:3815 or 20 years ago, they would have said that Shador Sanders was athletic.
00:44They would have said he could escape.
00:46Well, the game's changed so much to now he's not a mobile quarterback.
00:50No, he's mobile.
00:51He's just not as mobile as what we'd come to.
00:53But I do think what you see on tape are those aspects, a very young player
00:58that really didn't grow up in a pro-style offense.
01:03It's not his fault.
01:04Now it's going to be our fault if we can't develop them.
01:07Then it's our fault.
01:08Our job is to develop all the players that show up in the building
01:11and try to get the best out of all of them, create the best version of them.
01:15Ironically, 15 to 20 years ago, they would call me something called Athletic 2.
01:2020 years later, no, no, not a mobile anything, let alone quarterback.
01:24I'm fascinated by 15 years ago, people saying you're athletic.
01:27I could really, again, straight line speed, not my forte.
01:31Situational quickness.
01:32Like the Coors Banquet 12-pack that didn't get shattered,
01:36but it did fall on my sprained foot.
01:39Situational quickness.
01:40A little bit of a shot there at Dion in this program at Colorado.
01:43I don't think it's a shot to say that wasn't a pro-style offense.
01:46I mean, it wasn't a pro-style offense,
01:48but Dion worked very hard to bring in as many NFL-style people
01:51and people that had NFL connections
01:53and people that could basically teach Shador how to do that.
01:57And some of the responsibility that might have fallen through the cracks there at Colorado,
02:01for Munkin to highlight that, if anything, that showcases to you,
02:05I think what he's trying to explain is the idea that
02:07he didn't think Shador was ready enough or prepared enough
02:09to go ahead and play last year,
02:11and he feels like he's going to be able to get him there.
02:13I've been building this take for a while,
02:15so I don't think this is not going to be like,
02:16oh, did you hear Nick's new take?
02:18Okay.
02:19But I think I'm going to write it in stone with a small caveat.
02:22Okay.
02:23Because today's about finality, right?
02:25Mel Kuyper's final mock draft of the season.
02:28Yeah, because apparently eight days away is the time that you do this.
02:31Everyone's like, this is who this team is going to take.
02:33Everybody's doing it across Odyssey of all the many stations.
02:36Yeah.
02:36Guys, we have seven more shows to do before night one of the NFL draft.
02:41Yeah, a lot of shows.
02:42Like, you think of the content at the very least here.
02:44All right.
02:44So, I am pretty convinced that this is all just built.
02:49I don't think this is a legitimate quarterback conversation.
02:53I think this is about Shador doing everything they say,
02:56and if he does it, he's going to be the starting quarterback
02:59because that's what this is gearing up for.
03:01And the only caveat is if they love somebody in the draft that we –
03:05if Ty Simpson is the sixth pick that we just don't know.
03:08Yeah, because the other explanation is it's Shador versus Deshaun,
03:13and neither one of us has taken that any bit serious to begin with anyway.
03:16Well, I also think, like, the problem with Deshaun at the end is
03:19he wasn't making plays.
03:22Like, he had lost that juice that he had had to make big plays.
03:26You say the end.
03:26I would say even from the beginning, like the warm burners.
03:29Oh, I meant just the entire –
03:30No, but it never got there.
03:32And that's the thing that's so hard to explain to people that want to tell us
03:34that, like, well, Deshaun was great six years ago, that exists somewhere.
03:38It's like – listen, we didn't watch a bunch of games
03:39because he kept getting injured, but I got 19 games of evidence
03:42of him throwing balls in the dirt and nowhere close to what he was
03:45when he was in Houston.
03:46Listen, do I think that the spread offense would maybe bring something better out
03:51in Deshaun?
03:51Sure.
03:52But if he can't throw the football, I don't know what we're doing here.
03:56And, like, we're talking about routine plays that he just wasn't making.
04:00And I know you can say the same about Shador, but here's the difference.
04:03Shador was also making the big plays.
04:06And I do think, like, what Munkin said is what I think to be true,
04:12and I think that's – I need to hear that from the head coach.
04:15For sure.
04:15And I also think, just from Munkin's perspective,
04:17if he can get Shador looking good, he's going to get a bunch of credit
04:20behind all of this.
04:21I mean, if he makes either guy look good, he's going to get a ton of credit.
04:24Yeah, but, like, even if Shador was always destined to look good
04:28and always destined for this and always destined for that,
04:30like, Munkin's going to get just a ton of credit across the NFL.
04:34And then anybody that said that Shador couldn't do this or couldn't do that,
04:38they're going to have to shut up.
04:39And instead of giving the credit to Shador, honestly,
04:41they're going to end up giving it to Munkin.
04:42But Shador won't care at that point because he'll be playing football
04:45and playing football at a high level.
04:46Now, another thing Todd Munkin was asked about on the This Is Football podcast
04:50was which players he thinks are poised to make a leap in 2026.
04:54It's hard because I really think Mason Graham's going to take another step.
04:59I think we're going to be able to get Jerry Judy back to two years ago.
05:04And that's not a leap.
05:05That's just maybe a re-leap.
05:07I can't wait to get a full year in offseason when we get Q back, a running back.
05:12I think Fannin in his second year, I think we're going to see another leap.
05:16And obviously, Shador, Deshaun, I mean, the quarterback position,
05:20if there's not a huge leap to be there, I mean, shoot, Deshaun's healthy again.
05:24You've got Shador and Dylan who are one-year players.
05:28I mean, shoot, I mean, there ought to be unbelievable growth in that room.
05:33All right, I will say this.
05:35There's palpable excitement about Mason Graham.
05:37And I thought that was really cool.
05:39Like of all the things we can talk about, what he said there,
05:42it is undeniable that he's excited to see what Mason Graham does in year two,
05:46and I am as well.
05:47Because if he adds just a little, if he just gets to six or seven sacks a year,
05:51six, seven, with the ability to dominate the run game,
05:56it's really tough to kind of say how big that's going to be for this Browns defense
06:00for the next five to seven years.
06:01Yeah, and sometimes you wonder with Munkin, because he's such an offensive guy,
06:04if he's just going to zero in on the offense and almost forget about the defense
06:07and let that take care of itself.
06:09And like, no, he's obviously advocating for Mason Graham to be one of these guys.
06:14Now, I don't think re-leap is a word, by the way.
06:16Okay, I'm going to allow it.
06:17This re-leap by Jerry Judy.
06:19Hadn't lost a game yet as a Browns head coach.
06:20Well, re-leap with Todd Munkin.
06:22I don't know what happened there.
06:23I don't know if he just makes up words on the spot.
06:25But I agree, by the way, about Jerry Judy.
06:27I think of all the guys that are going to benefit the most and could rejuvenate,
06:32that may be the word we're looking for, or re-leap in honor of the new Browns leadership,
06:37I think Jerry Judy is there.
06:38One, I think Todd Munkin is going to have an offense.
06:41I think Jerry Judy fits more in the spread than he does Kevin Stefanski's offense.
06:45And I think the two years we've seen, one with the more spread offense,
06:48the other with more of the Gary Kubiak offense.
06:51Well, which one was Jerry Judy a 1,000-yard receiver?
06:53I also think he'll be motivated by whoever they take at No. 6 overall,
06:56or 24 if it's a wide receiver.
06:58I think that's going to be a good thing.
06:59It'll give them somebody else that the defense is going to have to pay attention to
07:02outside of Harold Fannin.
07:03I'm glad you said it that way, because I don't think it's about motivation.
07:06I think it's about, oh, you mean I don't have to try and do everything?
07:10I can act like everyone's going to get kind of equal attention here.
07:14So I agree with that.
07:15Kenyon Sadiq is sitting there when the Browns pick in the first round.
07:19You know, if the Browns are there at 6 and Sadiq is available, I take him.
07:23I take him right away.
07:25You've got to create matchup problems on this offense.
07:27You only scored 16 points a game last year.
07:29You only had 16 touchdown passes.
07:32To me, you've got to find somebody.
07:34There'll be plenty of wide receivers.
07:35I know people say Carnell Tate to the Browns there, and I'm all about getting guys who
07:40can put it in the end zone.
07:41You can find a lot of offensive tackles in this draft, especially lower in the first round
07:46and in the second round.
07:47You've got to have matchup problems.
07:50And to me, after love, it's the tight end out of Oregon.
07:54The Sal Pal thing, Kenyon Sadiq at 24 makes me upset.
08:00Kenyon Sadiq at 6 makes me downright rageful.
08:04Why 24?
08:05Are you upset with that?
08:06I'm not upset with that at 24 at all.
08:08I can't catch the ball, and you already have a wide receiver.
08:10You already have a tight end that plays his same position.
08:12He led the FBS in touchdowns last year.
08:14He had more receptions than anyone in Oregon history as far as tight ends are concerned.
08:18He caught the ball plenty last year.
08:20He and Fannin play the same spot on the field.
08:24Well, yeah, but I'm wondering if this is almost like a Jeremiah Love discussion where it's like,
08:28can we have too much of a good thing?
08:30And the idea there is with him is not only can he run block really well with Sadiq, but
08:35he can also pass catch a really high rate.
08:37And so, I don't know, you're not directly addressing the wide receiver room with Sadiq,
08:43but you are in the same sense.
08:45Hey, you need a wide receiver and a tackle.
08:46You know what would be great?
08:47A tight end you already have.
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