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00:00Let's bring in Pietro Orlandi, who's in our editorial office, but now...
00:07Ah, shoes tell me like... Hi Pietro.
00:10Like a rapper, big shoes, sorry, I'm not very modern, so I said who knows what these shoes are
00:16big.
00:17Like a rapper. And of course, we'll show you the photo again.
00:22Peter, come stand here next to me, they tell me you have to stay here, right?
00:25Oh no, that's okay, sorry, I was wrong.
00:27So, what happened? We're still here with Pietro Orlandi because the Supreme Court rejected the appeal you filed.
00:35fact, that the family did, let's say for archiving, right?
00:39Considering it inadmissible, he therefore definitively confirmed the closure of the investigation into Emanuele's disappearance in Mirella.
00:47So inadmissible, he said that the investigations cannot even continue.
00:51Everything closes.
00:51It's all over. So, let's tell our viewers. I've now asked the director, Simonetta Morresi, to put
00:57your sister's photograph together, as we usually do, with that of Mirella Gregori.
01:01Because you think that Saturday, May 7th, 33 years ago, it's been 33 years since these two girls disappeared.
01:10The first to disappear is Mirella Gregori, Antonietta Gregori's sister, who has been here several times
01:19with us, who among other things participated in some way in this affair.
01:21We are brothers now.
01:23Because after all it was together and then the investigation somehow went together.
01:27The current investigation was also on both.
01:29Well, we, Pietro, were, I must say, quite surprised by some of the interceptions, which Pietro somehow also had
01:40reported.
01:40But now we will show you the reconstruction we made with Michele Bonica and our author Gianluca
01:46Nappo of these interceptions.
01:48Why? Because there's Don Vergari. You all know that Don Vergari is the rector of the Basilica of Salta Polinare.
01:56Yes, the former rector.
01:56The former rector, your sister goes to play the flute, takes music lessons.
02:01Yes, in the music school next door that is part of the same structure.
02:04Which is part of the same structure, next to it is part of the same structure.
02:07The facility has also been opened.
02:10So, what happened?
02:11That Don Vergari was also investigated, he was one of those under investigation.
02:15And during the investigations there are many things that are said on the phone.
02:20Don Vergari, for example, has it in for Pietro.
02:26He's really got it in for you.
02:27So, let's hear what he was saying on the phone.
02:31He said he wants to have contact with me.
02:33That one's brother.
02:35That guy's a charlatan, you know?
02:36He writes books, makes statements and everything.
02:39When he comes to me, I will tell him.
02:41Look, I've never met your sister.
02:43I've never seen it.
02:44I don't want to hear about it.
02:45I've only seen it on posters.
02:47That's it, goodbye.
02:49And all the other poor people who died,
02:51who have disappeared here and there,
02:53what should they do?
02:54But just because this one makes such a racket
02:57they must listen to the truth.
02:58It's so complicated.
03:03Aside from the fact that it is so complicated, how does Don Vergari know?
03:07if he says he can't get anything out of your sister's disappearance.
03:11Then he basically says that if you go and make a racket.
03:13Yes, yes, he said even worse, in that sense.
03:16But all of this will come to a bad end, among other things anyway.
03:20Let's say that one doesn't expect this from a man of the church, right?
03:24No, that's for sure.
03:24Ultimately, you're making a racket because you're looking for the truth about your missing sister.
03:27Then talk to someone else on the phone,
03:31he always says that it's Peter who makes too much noise,
03:33but this interlocutor tells him
03:35but look, Don Vergari, he's looking for his missing sister
03:38and then that tomb of that criminal should not have been placed in the basilica.
03:43You all know that De Pedis was buried in the basilica,
03:46precisely of which our Don Vergari is the rector.
03:52So let's hear Don Vergari in this other interception,
03:54the reconstruction, what does it say to this man?
03:59There's this girl's brother who can't find peace,
04:02he holds processions up to the Vatican,
04:04I mean, I'm not telling you what he's up to,
04:06he is the one who assembles everything, he made the openings.
04:09He wants to find out who killed his sister.
04:11He also opened the tomb but then there's nothing there.
04:14But Don Piena Cosa, but why did you have that mafioso buried in this church?
04:18And I explained it all to the thing, that one there,
04:21because when she was in the summer, they had taken her to the summer,
04:25They dirtied his grave, they stole his flowers,
04:27they took away the vases, every day was a prank.
04:30So he says, he remembered once that she had told him
04:34if when I die I would like to be buried in the church vaults,
04:39in the mortuary chambers, down below, down below, in the basement,
04:43where there were bones, take note.
04:45Well, it wasn't going well there anyway.
04:47However, the cardinal said yes.
04:50He's always someone who killed people.
04:52Well, listen, even there they say, they say, that after that there's nothing concrete, you understand?
04:57They say he did this, they say he did that,
05:00they say he was the boss, you understand?
05:02Everything is said.
05:05So, then, the relationship with De Pedis.
05:09They play pranks on him in the summer and so this tomb is passed on,
05:14in this beautiful basilica in the center of Rome.
05:17And there are many phone calls between Don Vergari and De Pedis' wife,
05:21who tells him several times, look, you have met
05:25after the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi.
05:27He tells him the year, he tells it to him several times, as if to remind him.
05:30Instead, for barica who left Don Vergari in the prosecutor's office,
05:33he clearly said that they are known in 78.
05:35So before the disappearance.
05:36But she tells him, no, you met in '86.
05:39You met in '86.
05:40It seems that De Pedis' wife tells him exactly what he has to do,
05:44what he should say, what he shouldn't say, what is better,
05:46and that if he was investigated it was a necessary act.
05:51And it even gives us, because when at a certain point it came out
05:54the fact that he was investigated, we said, well, it's a necessary act,
05:57because they went to search there, so in short it was a necessary act.
05:59So, Don Vergari on the phone with De Pedis' wife.
06:03The reconstruction.
06:05Ready?
06:06Don Piero?
06:07Yes.
06:08She already had the notice of investigation when they seized her computer,
06:13because that is a necessary act.
06:15Sciarelli also said it last night.
06:17So they're already trying to get her involved in 2010,
06:21what did they do to him now, here and there.
06:24But it's a serious thing, it's not that.
06:26This is nonsense, because she had us.
06:28Of course, investigations are opened.
06:30They're giving a notice of investigation to those who know, right?
06:33To those who confiscate something from him, right?
06:35It's normal.
06:36Yes, but yes, those who say they know.
06:39Not me, I don't know anything, right?
06:41Of those there, nothing.
06:43Wait a moment.
06:44No, no, she says.
06:46I have the notice of investigation.
06:47Of course, you started all this mess from an anonymous phone call.
06:51Sciarelli told him last night.
06:53If they tell him something, look, they made this mess from an anonymous phone call.
06:59It's clear that they filed a notice of investigation to open everything.
07:02I have that one, but it's from 2010.
07:05Just tell him that, she does.
07:07It's all good.
07:08As?
07:09I have the notice of investigation, but in 2010.
07:13Ah, here, yes.
07:14Our prosecutor is acquitting and shelving everything.
07:18It's a matter of a few days, eh, Don Pied?
07:20Resist.
07:21Yes, yes, I don't answer to anyone.
07:26Well, it's a bit scary, isn't it?
07:28Because she reassures Don Vergari, tells him what he should say, what he shouldn't say.
07:32Don Vergari who says yes, yes, well, I'll do it like this.
07:35What he says next is shocking, though.
07:36And then this fact that says there's no problem, since here they acquit everything.
07:40In short, it seems to them that they already know how things are going, that we are heading towards archiving.
07:46Yes, they are certain that everything will be archived.
07:49Well, this is quite unique, I have to say.
07:52Don Vergari says it again, by the way, and you can see that he is worried instead, because he says that I have to say, that
08:01I don't have to say.
08:02Then you will hear something surreal, because he even asks the Bishop of Potenza for advice.
08:07Why the Bishop of Potenza? Because Elisa Clapsa passed away there, so it's truly surreal.
08:12And that's worried.
08:13And Dependis' wife tells him, look, you don't talk to journalists, if anything, write, if you have to write something
08:18what, on your blog.
08:20Let's hear this other interception.
08:24Don't worry, everything's fine, these guys are just scoundrels.
08:27All right.
08:28These people made the movie.
08:30Then after me you know that you too will have to do something, eh, Don Pied?
08:33After ten days have passed.
08:35No, forget it, it's not worth it.
08:37For the damages.
08:38Wasting time on that, you see, that poor boy is a bit unbalanced, isn't he?
08:42If he sees, he goes looking left and right for bad news.
08:47I don't answer to anyone.
08:49However, if someone were to cheat you, you would be right to respond.
08:53You can even put it there, you can even put it on your blog, on your computer.
08:57She puts the notice of investigation on us.
09:00He got it following an anonymous phone call.
09:02Point.
09:03In 2010.
09:08So, obviously you all love Peter, you know, and to hear that is a little crazy.
09:14Well, apart from that, I always take it off, because it's crazy when someone in the family has one.
09:19sister missing for 33 years.
09:21So, but anyway, I have to say that this tone is that of a priest, because he is a priest, of a vergari.
09:26In short, you don't expect this one here, that one there who disappeared.
09:30So, he needs to write on his blog.
09:31And actually, what's happening? We go looking for Don Vergari several times, even to ask you this question.
09:37by De Pedis.
09:38And look how he responds to Pino Nazio.
09:45Now I'll say that I am the spiritual father, right? By Enrico De Pedis.
09:49You have to tell him. If he wanted a nuisance, Don Piede.
09:56So, this is another interception.
09:58No, I was telling you, if we can broadcast the Vergari, because after having heard, that is after having read about it
10:04these interceptions,
10:06we remembered when we went to him and he told us, it's all written in the blog, not
10:10he wanted to talk.
10:11So he followed exactly what he was told.
10:15And of course these wiretaps are during the investigation.
10:18Then they even say, there's the boss, there's Rizzi, that policeman is terrible.
10:22Rizzi is the head of the mobile squad that is dealing with the case, in a manner that is, let's say, even overbearing.
10:31In the sense that he put in the effort.
10:32No, Rizzi wanted, he wanted to get to the truth.
10:33He wanted to get to the truth.
10:34And they say, they've already done that one away.
10:37In short, this is what they say about Vittorio Rizzi, the head of the Rome mobile squad,
10:40which will actually then be sent to someone else for consideration.
10:43And they're already saying to themselves, that one's been done away with.
10:45So, how does Don Bergari respond? Here it is.
10:51Good morning, Monsignor, can you explain to us why De Petis's tomb is located in a church?
10:54Look, so, here it is.
10:56Everything, so you know the internet?
10:58Yes.
10:59Then you go to www.vergarimonsignorpiero.com, it's all there.
11:05Vito?
11:07Your Excellency, may I introduce myself? We haven't even introduced ourselves.
11:10No, listen, you're asking.
11:11No, I know he's not talking to me, but I'm a nationalist for anyone who's seen him.
11:15I just wanted to ask you for an explanation.
11:17Listen, my goodness, you guys.
11:18No, I know, but I read what he wrote on the site.
11:22There can't possibly be an explanation.
11:24Eh, there's no explanation there.
11:26It's all there, it's all there.
11:27Listen, father, it's there.
11:28And what if you with the great voice you heard?
11:30No, the problem is that we started from that, and it's strange,
11:34People also resented this, it doesn't seem strange to her.
11:37Yeah, well, have a good day, eh.
11:38No, I understand.
11:39But why doesn't he give us an answer?
11:41Excellent.
11:42All there, all there.
11:43HI.
11:48Well, it's a bit shocking, because he says yes, I write everything on the blog, well, that's fine.
11:53But I've always said, it's not that they have to necessarily talk to us, but here we're talking about a
12:00town
12:02Vatican, missing, also Italian, because the family is Italian, we are talking about a 15 year old girl,
12:06of two 15 year old girls, because we must not forget Mirella Gregori,
12:11and so, in short, a different attitude is expected from a man of the church.
12:16To say I have nothing to do with it, but how did I open my church, my basement in De
12:21Foot,
12:22and of course, I also open them to the Orlandi family, instead they are surprised that you want to go and talk to
12:27him,
12:27he says that one there wants to come talk to me.
12:29So I was saying, about Vittorio Rizzi, the head of the flying squad, they say, he's already been done in,
12:34Don't worry. Another phone call, always the same thing, it's De Pedis's wife,
12:38who says, you know, don't worry, the prosecutor's office is closing.
12:44Well, now I'll say that I'm the spiritual father, right? By Enrico De Pedis.
12:48You have to tell him, if he wanted to get in Don Pied's way, don't talk to him like he's doing.
12:54And if they tell him something, listen, I was there in February 2010, the buildings, I had all this
13:02here,
13:03Now there are some reports, the prosecutor's office will respond, I don't want to talk to journalists, because you distort everything, so...
13:11No, no, no, nothing, journalists, never, never, I never answer anyone, eh, I don't answer.
13:16Don't answer to anyone, don't answer to anyone, you gave us the reports.
13:21Listen, I have some private individuals who send me emails.
13:24Afterwards? Even the damages this idiot wrote about, I don't know if they were private, I don't know if those were private.
13:29No, I'm just saying, someone writes to me, right? He says, I'd like to know, so and so, and I don't even reply to him, to anyone.
13:37No, no, no, no.
13:38To no one, because then they distort everything.
13:40Pietro Orlandi, to no one, Don Pied, pretend the emails don't exist, do as I did, I didn't speak
13:47never with anyone.
13:49Good.
13:49It's the best thing, they're dealing with it, don't worry, Don Pied, about this, I've always said anyway,
13:56There's the prosecutor's office, it's closing, it'll be two or three days anyway, eh, Don Pied.
14:06Well, it's clear that these people can then also boast, say, well, then in any case they don't even have the power of attorney
14:12spoken, I don't know, but, well, these wiretaps do...
14:16A little bit of the details, overall, where they clearly say, my lawyers went to Pignatone and he assured
14:22which will close everything anyway.
14:24Everything. And what did your family members say to you, and even those of, say, Gregori?
14:30Yeah, look, this is the thing that hurt me the most about the whole interception, the fact that the
14:35head of the prosecution who has his own lawyer for the investigation, so he takes on an investigation because he wants to bring, he wants to get there
14:41in truth, that's what one would expect from a person who does this job.
14:44Instead he turns to one side to say let's close everything down.
14:47It would have been much nicer if he had turned to the family and said, look, it happened like this, but we'll get there anyway.
14:53the same to the truth.
14:54Because that's what a head of the prosecutor's office handling this investigation should have said.
14:59Don't bring it to a close, because it's clear at this point that he has his own lawyer to close the investigation.
15:04Look, I've always been convinced, something I told you the other time, that happened ten days ago
15:09after Emanuela's disappearance, ten, fifteen days, when we were still looking for a bit of everything.
15:15So, an invitation between the Vatican and the Presidency of the Council regarding this case not to open a breach
15:21which would hardly have closed.
15:23The case has been archived now, first by the prosecution, then confirmed by the Supreme Court, because after 33 years they still want to avoid
15:30to open a breach.
15:32And this is something that is not right, you know, in a society, in institutions, in the church...
15:36The skeletons in the closet are being written by our viewers, aren't they?
15:40He says, but what is going on?
15:42Look, there's always the rotten part, the rotten part and the healthy part.
15:45These are the words they say to each other, maybe even De Pedis' wife...
15:49Of course, however, beyond the words he said, things are...
15:51Maybe the prosecutor's office could now say, no, look, we didn't even warn De Pedis' wife at all.
15:58If there hadn't been any clues throughout the investigation, I would even understand the prosecutor closing the case.
16:02But since this is a story that has been going on for 33 years, there are many elements, many clues to be explored further,
16:07you can't archive it, you only archive it if you want to archive it.
16:10But even this fact that Don Vergari talks about a situation that is too complicated, it seems really...
16:16No, it almost seems like you know something more.
16:18I, look, I have to tell you, I have to tell Peter, we warned him.
16:21Maybe someone is calling us, let's say, an important person, in quotation marks, a protagonist of the somewhat darker events, in short, of the
16:29our Republic,
16:31that you all know.
16:32I don't know if he's online, because he said before...
16:34Yes, is it online?
16:37Yes, good evening, are you online?
16:40Good evening, are you online?
16:42Good evening, Federica Ciavelli.
16:44Good evening to you.
16:45Am I talking to Alia Cia?
16:47Yes, I'm Alia Cia.
16:49Well, first of all, I thank you because you called earlier saying that...
16:52They told us that Alia Cia's lawyer had called and told us that she wanted to intervene.
16:59My lawyer's phone.
17:01His lawyer's phone number.
17:02So, listen, Alia Cia, you also met Pietro because Pietro went to meet you right away.
17:10You met in Istanbul, exactly.
17:12You met in Istanbul when you were, let's say, released from prison, right?
17:18So, can I ask you a huge favor, Alia Cia, do you mind?
17:23I can ask you, because I know that you are very modern, among other things,
17:26if we can arrange a Skype connection with you,
17:31so at least we can see her face while she talks to us and with Pietro Orlandi present?
17:37Yes, but I don't have Skype available.
17:41Don't you have Skype available?
17:44No, not at the moment, he asks me.
17:46If maybe there is no problem.
17:50No, you know why? Because we, after all, want to be sure we're talking to her.
17:54Excuse me for telling you.
17:55No, no, no. Pietro Orlandi should remember my voice, I think.
18:03Unfortunately, yes, yes.
18:04So, it's Alia Cia.
18:06He came with the journalist, with the journalist and he spread the word.
18:12Yeah, so, if you can, I don't know, there's something that only you two know,
18:18because we are sure we are talking to Alia Cia.
18:20No, knowing why he called would be interesting.
18:22So, without Alia Cia, obviously she said she wanted to intervene during the program,
18:30because he had things to say, right?
18:32Certain.
18:35But are these things, let's say, about Emanuele Orlandi?
18:40Yes, because this is a broadcast for Emanuele Orlandi,
18:45then a final stone was put on the legal investigation,
18:56and of course I'm not here to discuss any of this.
19:02No, but also because we would like to know, let's say,
19:03It's not clear to us that we're not going to discuss the closure of this investigation with you.
19:10we wanted to know, since you said some things about Emanuele Orlandi, you said you had some revelations to make, etc.,
19:16if he has anything concrete to say to Pietro Orlandi, who is representing the family, about his sister.
19:23But the speech is very simple, look, I'm talking about something concrete.
19:34Emanuele Orlandi, can you hear me?
19:37We hear it very well.
19:40Emanuele Orlandi was kidnapped to obtain my release in agreement with the Vatican,
19:52that is, Pope John Paul II and President Sandro Pertini were supposed to meet and decide on my release.
20:04This?
20:06Listen, excuse me Aliak Cha, are you saying that there was a kidnapping of a citizen?
20:12and everything had to be for his liberation.
20:16But excuse me if I challenge you, in the sense that I have to tell our viewers
20:24that Aliak Cha, for the Italian justice system and not only, is, look Aliak Cha, you have been caught,
20:31She is a criminal who was paid to shoot the Pope.
20:34I have to be clear with our viewers about this, we are not talking to a statesman,
20:39We are talking to a criminal who was paid to shoot the Pope.
20:53Since she once said that Emanuele Orlandi was alive and that he would take her to the Vatican,
20:59which shocked the Orlandi family, even the mother said so she's alive
21:04and Aliak Cha brings it to me in the Vatican, which is also scary.
21:09Look, either you say true things, that is, concrete things, you give us the proof,
21:13or I have to say that these are, excuse me for saying so, nonsense.
21:18Why can't she tell a family that she's bringing Emanuela, alive, to the Vatican,
21:21not the door and they thought saying this.
21:24You do it, the buffoonery, you who have sanctified the lies of De Pedis or those of Magliana.
21:35This is the farce of the Italian press, I'm sorry to tell you.
21:38You must bring us evidence that you know something, that the kidnapping of Emanuele Orlandi was organized.
21:45to secure his release. I'm not sure who kidnapped Emanuele Orlandi, according to Aliak Cha?
21:56Who was it? It was the American Secret Service, the CIA, with some complicity in the Vatican,
22:05to reward my claims against...
22:10But what evidence does Aliak Cha have to say this?
22:13But you can't call the CIA and tell the Americans, we're going further here.
22:17You have to give us proof.
22:19We accepted his phone call, because Pietro Orlandi, rightly, actually came.
22:24Can you give us some proof?
22:26So let's show Aliak Cha's photograph, but this is a gentleman.
22:30I Aliak Cha have to say this, because we are talking to her,
22:33who was paid to go and attack the Pope in St. Peter's Square.
22:38Then he was released, he was pardoned.
22:40But who's paid? But you're a criminal.
22:42But attention to the Pope is the secret of Fatima.
22:45It's the secret of Fatima. It's not a crime. It's a miracle.
22:49It's a mystery he should respect.
22:50So is it a miracle that you shot the Pope, John Paul II?
22:54So, look, Aliak Cha, the problem is this.
22:56Since we are used to revelations, things, anonymous letters and all that,
23:00I tell her, we are here to listen to her.
23:03Can you please provide us with evidence of what you say?
23:07Because what he says, otherwise, is just idle talk.
23:10For us it's just talk.
23:11Let me speak and I'll show you some proof.
23:16Can you hear me?
23:18Very good.
23:19So, in '83, sorry, in '84,
23:26Secret Services sent a letter,
23:31CIA men, their accomplices in Italy,
23:34they sent a letter to the ANSA agency.
23:39August 84. Can you hear me?
23:42We hear it very well.
23:43Do you have this letter that was sent?
23:48But they have already sent this to the ANSA agency,
23:52telling you that Aliak Cha must be transferred
23:56or to Panama or Costa Rica under house arrest.
24:05You'll get it, you'll get it.
24:08This letter to be published in Italy
24:11the President of Costa Rica.
24:14Look, the President of the Republic of Costa Rica
24:17that at the beginning...
24:18Look, Aliak Cha, it's difficult to follow you.
24:21So, it's very complicated to follow it
24:23because then there were so many letters.
24:25Well, we ask you for this.
24:27Since Peter has already been burned,
24:29why did he leave...
24:31Peter, no, you went to meet.
24:32I used to do it...
24:33He hadn't told you she was alive, of course,
24:35and that he would bring it back home to you.
24:36In 2010 I went to Istanbul
24:38because he had just gotten out of prison.
24:40Mimmi said some things,
24:41some of the things he said here too,
24:42he told them to me there,
24:43but he also made me a promise
24:45who would provide me with documents.
24:48I listened to everyone,
24:49I follow all the people
24:50because when they tell me something
24:51I go and listen to them.
24:53But sometimes you feel a little taken for a ride by everyone.
24:55because there are so many people
24:57who have said in these years,
24:58they said, they said,
24:59they said
24:59and they stopped at the words.
25:02We would have liked to have something more concrete
25:05when someone tells me
25:06Emanuele is alive
25:07and we can get her to come home,
25:09even if it's difficult,
25:10but it's natural that I can believe this.
25:13I'd like to believe that, wouldn't I?
25:15And after six years
25:16I hear the same things
25:19one really doesn't know who to listen to anymore.
25:22No, but Peter, can I say something?
25:23I said it before.
25:24when, I'm sorry Alia Accia to say,
25:26but when I found out
25:28that Peter came to Istamos,
25:29when I found out
25:29that Alia Accia had said,
25:31I report,
25:32he had even given a date,
25:34he had said at the end of July,
25:35I don't remember,
25:35at the end of August there was a date,
25:37in short he had said
25:37I report from Emanuele Orlanda alive.
25:40So I said
25:40but maybe, maybe,
25:42because sometimes I say
25:43maybe I would like to change jobs
25:45because it means I didn't understand anything.
25:47All right?
25:47She, Emanuele Orlandi long live,
25:48he didn't speak it.
25:49So he said a joke,
25:51I'm sorry to say,
25:52but it's not a joke.
25:54Now I'll tell you something,
25:55she must provide us with evidence,
25:58we made her talk,
26:00if you would kindly provide us with
26:02some evidence,
26:03as Peter asks,
26:04because otherwise
26:05the chatter is worthless.
26:07Anyway, we thank you.
26:08for this phone call,
26:09for attention,
26:10because we understood
26:11that our press releases
26:11then they also end up in Türkiye.
26:15But you have to give us proof,
26:18of the evidence,
26:19because he can't speak
26:20of the Americans,
26:21the American government,
26:21the spies,
26:22the secret services,
26:23etc.
26:23It's very confusing
26:24and we don't understand anything.
26:27All right?
26:28You don't want to hear the truth
26:31because it is very heavy.
26:35Absolutely.
26:35We of those who have seen it
26:36we are the only ones
26:37that we put,
26:38let's say,
26:39we didn't set any limits at all,
26:41we talked about everything,
26:42of the Church,
26:43of all,
26:43this evening we are talking
26:44of the Prosecutor's Office,
26:46of everyone.
26:46Ali Akcha provide us with the evidence
26:48and we are here.
26:50Thanks to Ali Akcha
26:51who decided,
26:53who asked
26:53to be able to be with us
26:55and yet,
26:57I have to say it,
26:58In short,
26:58a person anyway
26:59she was paid
26:59because he was a criminal,
27:00he was in prison,
27:02had killed a person,
27:03she was paid
27:03to kill the Pope,
27:05so it's not that we
27:05we are then obliged
27:06to go all the way.
27:08After years, after years,
27:09after years,
27:10one gives us the evidence,
27:11but anyway,
27:12but maybe,
27:12On the contrary,
27:15only now I would like
27:16the last excerpt
27:18why are you looking
27:18which impressed us
27:19this too,
27:20that Don Vergari
27:20he called
27:22to the Bishop of Potenza,
27:24in Potenza
27:25she disappeared
27:25Elisa Clapsa
27:26which is found,
27:27then it was found
27:28in church,
27:29then Don Vergari
27:29what does he do?
27:30He asks for advice
27:31to the Bishop of Potenza.
27:35Listen,
27:36I wanted to ask
27:36some advice from her,
27:38No?
27:38If already another time,
27:39On the contrary,
27:40it's the third time I'm dying
27:41that I should also answer
27:42to some questions.
27:44Listen Don Piero,
27:45take the words out
27:46that reverberate.
27:47I say,
27:47I think it's now
27:48the third time
27:49that I am being questioned
27:50on these cases,
27:51on this case,
27:52No?
27:52Yes.
27:53Listen,
27:54I have never used it
27:55this word,
27:56me at the bottom
27:56there was a person
27:57that I have known
27:58what is called
27:59Enrico De Pedis,
28:00mind you,
28:01Enrico De Pedis,
28:03baptized with the name
28:04of Henry,
28:05then there is a person
28:06Renatino employee.
28:07Eh,
28:08allow me Don,
28:09but talking on the phone,
28:11do you think?
28:12If you were investigated
28:13as a title of due,
28:15Yes,
28:16wait and see
28:16who put the phone
28:17under control.
28:18What do you say?
28:19We have nothing
28:20to hide from no one.
28:22Ninth,
28:22Nothing,
28:23nothing to hide,
28:24No,
28:24nothing to hide,
28:26why what does she say?
28:27Let's continue
28:28or is it not the case?
28:29What does Don say,
28:30huh?
28:30No,
28:31I say,
28:32if they called you
28:32three times already?
28:33No,
28:34twice,
28:35this is the third,
28:36because now it seems to me...
28:38Careful,
28:38the important thing is to be able to say
28:40always the same things.
28:41Yes,
28:42always the same things,
28:43No?
28:43Why one becomes
28:44credible inside,
28:46Already,
28:46In short,
28:47Here you are,
28:47and then there can be
28:48others who can help you
28:49advise if necessary,
28:51because if you say
28:52a right word
28:53and honest,
28:53the interpretations
28:54there are ten.
28:55Yes.
28:56And then,
28:57sometimes,
28:57one makes use of
28:58of not wanting to declare
28:59if he is guilty
29:00this or that.
29:01Do your research,
29:02I have nothing to say.
29:04And so the Bishop
29:06of Potenza.
29:07You can give a round of applause
29:08to...
29:08I never ask,
29:10but to the unbalanced one
29:11according to Don Bergari.
29:13At that time,
29:14Thank you.
29:14Peter,
29:14See you soon.
29:15Peter,
29:15because obviously
29:16he has to make an important appeal
29:17for those who don't have
29:18understood Aliyak Cha,
29:19because someone says though
29:20that I interrupted it
29:21too soon
29:22saying precisely
29:22that anyway
29:23he's a murderer,
29:24he had already killed one person
29:25then he went to shoot Pope.
29:26At that time,
29:26Aliyak Cha said this,
29:28that the CIA carried out
29:29the orders,
29:30that is, the kidnapping
29:30by Emanuele Orlandi
29:31on order
29:32of a part
29:33of the Vatican,
29:34of a part of the Vatican.
29:36The CIA would have managed,
29:38the earthquake would have operated
29:39together with the underworld.
29:41At that time,
29:41all this is however
29:42to try.
29:43He says that,
29:44which as I repeat...
29:45Six years ago he told me
29:46and I repeat...
29:46this says Aliyak Cha.
29:48At that time,
29:49instead we hear the important things
29:50what Peter has to tell you.
29:51No, important,
29:51me why do I always do it
29:52the appeal because
29:54that is really
29:55we are tired
29:56of the fact that I always have to...
29:57that is, in society,
29:59in the institution,
30:00there is in the Church
30:00the rotten part
30:01and the healthy part
30:02and it annoys me that every time
30:04must win it again
30:04the rotten part.
30:06He must always win
30:07in all the rotten part.
30:08You know,
30:09it's very clear
30:10that this story
30:11by Emanuele
30:11it was covered up,
30:13it was the attempt
30:13which lasted 33 years
30:14to cover it up.
30:15But every time
30:16that they will put
30:17a stone above
30:18us the day after
30:18let's take that stone
30:19we'll fix it
30:20and we start it all over again.
30:21Now I turn
30:22to all those people
30:23who know,
30:24who have knowledge
30:25even if they were not responsible,
30:27who have heard,
30:28who are afraid,
30:29who have no courage,
30:31that we need to free ourselves
30:33the conscience
30:33from this weight.
30:34I don't know how they do it
30:35to live with this burden
30:36knowing certain things.
30:37If they'll carry on with it
30:39for life
30:39because I repeat
30:40we will never give up
30:41to get to the truth
30:42and sorry
30:42when justice
30:44renounce the truth.
30:45I turn to you
30:46also to all those people
30:46what a meeting in the Vatican
30:48that when they look at me
30:48they lower their eyes
30:49or if I talk to him
30:51and I'm talking about priests,
30:52monsignors, bishops,
30:53that if I meet them
30:54and I'll talk to him for a moment
30:55they look around
30:57being afraid
30:58that someone
30:59I can see them
30:59talk to me
31:00why did it happen,
31:01the bishops have been recalled
31:02because you were talking to the Antiquity,
31:03what were you talking about.
31:04Then I turn
31:05to all these people
31:06that really
31:07it's time
31:07to open up,
31:09to open one's conscience.
31:11You can do it
31:12in a thousand ways
31:12here too
31:13by calling the number
31:16068262
31:18and then they put me in touch
31:19with me
31:19but it's important
31:20that all people
31:21can express
31:24because look
31:24Truly
31:26knowing that they are there
31:26many people
31:27that are inside
31:28and outside the Vatican
31:29does anyone know?
31:29by force
31:30even at high levels
31:31I don't just talk
31:32at the priest level
31:3313 years old Saturday
31:33from the disappearance
31:34by Mirella Gregori
31:36and then in June
31:37the very sad anniversary
31:3833 years old
31:39by Emanuele Orlandi
31:40Peter said
31:41that anyway
31:42he goes up to the switchboard
31:42if you want to call him
31:43and say something
31:44even anonymously
31:46naturally
31:46he is here
31:47thanks Peter
31:48thanks to you
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