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00:00Dan Graziano was on Get Up.
00:02Now we're going to get back to the Cavs coming up at 722.
00:04We got Danny Cunningham joining us on the show.
00:06Dan Graziano was on Get Up.
00:07We played this late in the show yesterday.
00:10Here is a different twist to the saga that will not end,
00:14considering number 95.
00:16Dan, is there any reason to believe the Cleveland Browns
00:18will entertain trading defensive player of the year, Miles Garrett?
00:22There is not.
00:22I think there's a lot of people out there that wonder why not,
00:25considering what you could probably get for him.
00:28But the Browns have been steadfast and adamant
00:30that they have no interest in trading Miles Garrett.
00:33Even last year when he was publicly asking for a trade,
00:36they said that, gave him a new contract.
00:38I think it's more likely that Miles Garrett gets another contract bump
00:42from the Browns this offseason than gets traded.
00:45You mean, does he mean this summer?
00:47Again, audio courtesy at Get Up.
00:48Did he mean this summer when he says this offseason?
00:50Maybe he does.
00:51Maybe he just insists on being the highest paid defensive end
00:54every single year.
00:55Maybe that's the case.
00:57Right, does he have the leverage to do that now, too, right?
00:59I'm sure.
00:59I mean, gosh, if you have your own no trade clause,
01:02who's to say you don't?
01:03I mean, if they really do not want to trade you whatsoever,
01:06then yeah, you have all the power.
01:08It seems that you would have all the power in the world, wouldn't you?
01:10Yeah, I have the numbers in front of me.
01:12It's funny how they parse this out because you have your total value,
01:15but as we know, it's more about the guarantees.
01:17And the average annual value always comes up.
01:22But he got passed up by Micah Parsons, who's at $46.5 per year.
01:29Aiden Hutchinson, $45 per year.
01:33T.J. Watt at $41 per year.
01:35And he is at, right now, $40 per year.
01:38The fully guaranteed, too, you know, those other guys got better full guarantees
01:43than he did because the minute he signed kind of changed the market.
01:47That's what these contracts all tend to do.
01:50So, you know, he has a case.
01:52Like, if you're the Browns and Miles Garrett says, yeah, I'm not.
01:55And if he does it, like, very quietly, too, and privately, like, hey, guys,
02:00I know about last year and I went crazy with the request
02:04and then you signed me to the contract.
02:06But then I had the year I had and other guys, you know,
02:09ended up getting paid more than me per year
02:11and their fully guarantees were better.
02:13Can you handle that?
02:15Because I'm probably not going to show.
02:17Like, not just to the voluntary stuff.
02:21We're talking, like, I'm not showing up in training camp until that changes.
02:25I think I know your answer.
02:26What would the Browns say?
02:27Like, would the Browns say, we're going to call your bluff.
02:31Okay.
02:32Well, then, if he sits out camp, that's $50,000 a day.
02:35Now, I know that they have the right to waive that as a franchise.
02:37And he says, okay, like, you need me more than I need you.
02:43Well, see, this is a...
02:45Does he not have all that leverage?
02:46But if he's sitting out, then you know what the fan base is going to start thinking.
02:50And the fan base is already halfway there, I think.
02:52So, let me ask you this.
02:55Would you rather give him a raise this summer or would you rather trade him?
03:00Which one would you rather do?
03:02You don't have to give your answer right now.
03:04No, I mean, you know my answer.
03:06If I'm getting first-round picks in 2027, I'm doing it.
03:12We asked, would you rather give Miles a raise?
03:15Would you rather trade him?
03:16You said the answer's easy for you.
03:18You said trade him.
03:20Because you can get, yes, I think after the draft, like, you had somebody text you like,
03:25I'll be waiting around until June comes around there.
03:28I'm like, oh, God, here we go.
03:29Well, because I tell you what, if they ended up taking, like, a David Bailey or a Reuben
03:34Bain at number six overall, which I understand there's other conversations to have now about
03:39Reuben Bain, if you ended up taking one of those guys, you would, it would be right there
03:49on the wall going, well, what are you doing?
03:51It's like, well, you're going to take the best overall player.
03:52Now, that's how they're going to explain it, but the question's going to be there, and
03:55it's going to be asked and asked and asked.
03:58You said that Miles has a bunch of leverage.
04:01Keith texted us, the boss, said he doesn't think that he has a bunch of leverage.
04:05I disagree with Keith, because I think Miles would be like, hey, it's a zero-sum game.
04:09You either have me or you don't.
04:10You can find me on anything you want.
04:11I can just not show up.
04:12And you're going to waive it when I do show up, because this is how this goes.
04:16Think about what a dagger to the new head coach that could be, to Andrew Barry, to everybody
04:21involved, that any progress you think you might be making with last year's draft, this
04:26year's draft, he could throw a wrench into all of that if he wanted.
04:30If he really wanted to raise hell.
04:31And last year, by the way, last year he did really want to, because he caused a firestorm
04:35at the Super Bowl.
04:36Exactly.
04:37If he really wanted to raise hell, he does know how to raise hell.
04:41He's an NBA player at this point.
04:43I don't think it's...
04:43You're right.
04:43On a football team.
04:44And I don't think it's that easy.
04:48It's not as easy for me to say, just trade him.
04:50The smart thing would say, hey, would you rather give him a raise or would you rather trade
04:54him, and I'm thinking, gosh, there's so much here where I think in the morning, like if
05:00you traded him at night, I think in the morning people would start to rectify.
05:04It's just, you've made some of these changes, and I cannot stress this enough, guys, you
05:10torpedo people you've put in positions of prominence.
05:15You torpedo their careers by making that trade.
05:19If you were to trade this guy in June, or like when we brought up Micah Parsons' trade
05:23last year, that had a chance, but they had a better football team over all the Cowboys
05:28do than what the Browns do.
05:30Your defense was the only thing you had going last year, and you won games with defense.
05:35I mean, there were times you were playing against your own offense, frankly.
05:38That's how bad your offense was.
05:40You trade this guy, like that's it for this season.
05:42That's it.
05:43And honestly, if you trade this guy, that's not just it for this season.
05:46Listen, Andrew Barry's a lame duck.
05:47You might as well pack your boxes now, because you're not going to win many games.
05:51Are you really going to say that he's going to have a job going into 2027?
05:54Probably not.
05:56And then frankly, like we've done a lot of hemming and hawing and wringing our hands
05:59over Todd and Monk, and I might as well get a list ready for 2027 as well.
06:03Yeah, for sure.
06:04I mean, let's be serious about this, guys.
06:05That'll be a lead indicator of a potential one and done.
06:08And I don't want to be overly dramatic about it, but you guys know this damn well.
06:12You guys know this better than I do.
06:14Like going into an off-seat or going into a training camp, if you were to move on from
06:18him and you could get all these picks for 2027, and in the grand scheme of things, for
06:24the Browns fan who's just out there just wanting this team to be better, there's a lot there
06:29that would tell you, yeah, it's the smart move to do.
06:31You haven't won much with Myles Garrett.
06:33You can win more with other players.
06:34You can get more players.
06:36Myles Garrets don't just fall off trees.
06:37That's why you're talking about three first-round picks for a guy like him.
06:41He is an easy, sure-fire first-ballot Hall of Famer.
06:46He is the greatest player you've ever had on defense with a bullet.
06:50He is, without a doubt, one of the greatest Cleveland Browns, one of the two or three greatest
06:55Cleveland Browns to ever play the game.
06:57And part of that's just because I'm trying to be respectful to history.
06:59It's easy for me to have seen Myles every single game and say he's number one.
07:02I didn't get to see Jim Brown.
07:04I didn't get to see Otto Graham.
07:05So I say he's amongst them because I didn't get to see the dominance.
07:09That all pointed out, yeah, you can get better.
07:11But think about what you do to your fan base.
07:13Think about what you do to the people that you've hired to put in position to make this
07:16team better.
07:17And I understand that Andrew Barry's had five previous years before this year, six previous
07:21years before this, to make this team better.
07:23And I know that he's faltered in so many ways, including the Deshaun Watson trade, which
07:26that you and I know that he gave the idea first.
07:31It's not as easy as just trading him for picks.
07:34And I know there's plenty of people out there probably saying, yeah, it is, Kenny.
07:37No, it's not.
07:37It's not.
07:39You see this malaise that's around this football team with this fan base.
07:45And there's so many, like we talk about the Guardians, so many guys in the Guardians, just
07:48likable.
07:49Now it's April.
07:50It's just, they're just likable.
07:51The Cavs, you and I are kind of beside ourselves because I'm like, there's plenty to like about
07:55Jared Allen.
07:56There's plenty to like about Evan Mobley.
07:57There's plenty to like about Sam Merrill and Max Struess and Donovan Mitchell.
08:02But people are like, hey, it's been four years.
08:04Let's go.
08:05It's time to, you know what, or get off the pot.
08:07But when it comes to the Browns, it's just a lot of dour faces of, we don't really have
08:13a quarterback.
08:13We're fighting over these quarterbacks that probably aren't the future of this football
08:17team.
08:17How much time are we going to waste with this?
08:19And then we're talking about building a new stadium, getting things ready for the future.
08:24Well, what about the now?
08:24And then you're talking about trading the player of the generation and arguably one of the three,
08:28one of the best player that's ever played in a bronze uniform.
08:31We're talking about trading this guy for what?
08:32For more ideas?
08:33We've had two first round picks before.
08:35We took Brandon Whedon and we took Trent Richardson in a draft before.
08:38Like, I have to see it from what a fan would see where, I understand I got a new shiny
08:43stadium
08:43coming here in about three years.
08:45I got to put people in the seats in this stadium still.
08:48I got to get people to come along with me now.
08:50I just can't ramp this thing up and hope that people are going to trust me with all the things
08:54going on in the stadium starting in 2029.
08:57No.
08:58You want to be good by the time you get into the stadium.
09:01You know, the whole runway of, well, this is all lead up to 2029.
09:05If they're thinking that way, and I can't guarantee they are or they aren't,
09:09I think that's a terrible way to think.
09:12Well, they probably are thinking about it in that way.
09:13You need to have some success before you go into the new building.
09:16Yeah, but I don't think they think it's paramount to have that success this year.
09:20It might not be this year, but damn.
09:22It's not like they're a contender and they need to do it all this year.
09:26I think they thought last year's rookie class is the start of that,
09:31which was absolutely mandatory.
09:32They had to nail a draft class, and it looks like they are on their way.
09:37Yeah, you'd be fired if they didn't.
09:38Year one, it looks like they did that last year.
09:42And obviously, draft capital this year, are they towards the top of draft capital
09:46in this year too?
09:47They got nine picks.
09:48Yeah, so I think this is going to be a big year.
09:50But they knew they couldn't fix this in one year.
09:53And unfortunately, there's no quarterback in this year's draft.
09:56Understood.
09:56They're not at number one.
09:57Totally understood.
09:57They're not at that number one overall pick.
09:59But can I still – I don't win many games with him to begin with,
10:02but I know that if I had a good offense, I would be winning a lot of games with him.
10:06It just so happens he plays defense.
10:07He can only play one side of the ball.
10:09And we pay him to do something that he does better than anybody else in the league.
10:12That's go sack quarterbacks there.
10:13So he does make a difference there.
10:15If you had an offense, that's fine.
10:17What I'm talking about is that you want to trade him for a lot of good ideas.
10:20The good ideas have not always come to fruition.
10:22So I do have to think about what the ramifications are with the fan base
10:25that has been put through the ringer here over the last five years.
10:29And you've had one year of a little glimpse of what could be,
10:32but that was with a guy who was off the scrap heap
10:34and a guy who played instead of the guy you're paying $230 million.
10:39Nobody wants to see.
10:40Nobody wants to see that guy.
10:41Some people do, but it's a – maybe even – it's really a quiet minority,
10:45to be honest with you, who really wants to see the guy.
10:49It's – you can do it.
10:51But it may be the smart move, and I don't know how many people
10:54are going to be really outraged.
10:56I just wonder how many people, if he really did trade the guy,
10:59they'd just go, all right, that's it.
11:01I mean, I'll just come back to you when you guys are ready to do anything
11:04because this is ridiculous.
11:06I think a lot of people will say that.
11:08I think this is one of the things NFL franchises have in their favor,
11:12that fans do tend to come back.
11:14They do, at some point, you know, just really want to be entertained in the end,
11:20and they'll always have some delusions of a young team being good,
11:26and they'll be like, all right, I said I was out, but I'm back in.
11:30Like, realistically, they've already lost a ton of season ticket holders.
11:33Of course.
11:34It's the first time in a long time that there's no wait list.
11:38Anybody can just call and get season tickets.
11:40That's never been the case for a long time.
11:43The Browns have actually boasted about the waiting list.
11:46Well, that's gone.
11:47And you're not going to make them any more likable
11:49by trading away the greatest player they've had since 99.
11:51They know that, and I know you won't care about this,
11:54but there is a bit of courage in dealing Myles Garrett
11:58and knowing that it's going to turn off the fans
12:01that have at least been clinging to Myles Garrett.
12:03You're the one who gave me this quote, so I'm going to use it against you, buddy.
12:06You can say it takes courage to do that.
12:08Also, you've said it before.
12:09Any idiot, underlying idiot, can tear down a football team.
12:12For sure.
12:12You said that.
12:13For sure.
12:14And they've got to take all the shrapnel that's going to be there
12:17from them making a move of that nature.
12:21However, they also know that you've got to be prudent at times.
12:24And, you know, keeping Myles Garrett on a football team,
12:28what window does he line up with?
12:30Like, you don't have the quarterback.
12:31I understand that, but I also think that, man,
12:34you go into this season first off with Todd Munkin,
12:36like, I think it's a much easier thing to do if you really wanted to do it.
12:39Like, I'm under no false pretenses here.
12:42There's times where I wonder if Myles really, really, really wants to be here.
12:46And I think a lot of us kind of wonder, maybe he doesn't.
12:49Okay?
12:50But I don't want to say it out loud because it bothers me.
12:53But if you're getting ready for next year's draft,
12:55there's bound to be a team in the top five that's not going to need a quarterback
12:58that knows it's a quarterback-rich thing.
13:00You can't make a move there for that move.
13:02But just think about it, Kenny.
13:03Because now I'm going to get a shiny new toy.
13:05I'm going to get other draft picks.
13:06I'm still going to have, hopefully, Todd Munkin here.
13:08I don't have to torpedo something before it even begins by trading Myles Garrett.
13:12But let's be honest.
13:12Because now I'm going to trade the guy and then wait a whole another year,
13:15and I've got to sit here and a fan has to be told,
13:18hey, you've really got to hope they lose so they have a nice high draft pick
13:21and they can use that traded pick for someone else as well.
13:24Like, that sucks.
13:25It does suck.
13:26That's terrible to tell a fan.
13:28But would they ever have hired this coaching staff
13:32had they have had the future quarterback already on the roster?
13:35Had they have had, had they have taken...
13:38No, they probably wouldn't have...
13:39Let's say Jackson Dart...
13:40Kevin probably wouldn't be gone.
13:42Let's say Jackson Dart would have flashed the way he did for the Cleveland Browns
13:45and he was on the roster.
13:46Do you think Todd Munkin's the head coach today?
13:48No, Kevin is.
13:49I don't even know.
13:50Honestly, I mean, maybe or maybe Harbaugh would have wanted to come here.
13:55Like, that's what I'm saying.
13:56Dave Olstead did get fired.
13:57They would have never hired Todd Munkin at his age.
14:01Even though we're excited about certain things at Todd Munkin,
14:04they would have been a more desirable job.
14:07But I don't want...
14:07But just because it might have been a more desirable job,
14:09I'll leave it here with me.
14:10We'll obviously pick this up later in the show.
14:12We got Danny Cunningham joining us in 5 Minutes Talk Cavs.
14:15Let me just say this.
14:16Just because he might not have been the first choice overall
14:19doesn't mean I'm willing to make it a one-and-done thing.
14:22I want to give him a good, solid chance.
14:23And you're not giving him a good, solid chance
14:25by trading away the player of the generation
14:27right before the season starts for next year's draft.
14:31But again, you're recognizing it's not about this year.
14:34This is not...
14:35I understand that.
14:35They're not going all in because this team is some contender.
14:39I understand that.
14:39But why can't I get two birds stoned at once?
14:42I can have a better offense.
14:43I can be a better football team.
14:45Why can't I show some incremental development
14:47and some improvement?
14:48You know the answer.
14:48And then I could trade him going into next year
14:50if I really wanted to.
14:50What?
14:51This is a really bad year to be in the middle
14:52at the end of the year.
14:54It's...
14:55With that draft looming...
14:56And we're not just talking quarterbacks.
14:58I mean, Jeremiah Smith
14:59could be like the fifth or sixth pick next year.
15:02Compare that to Carnell Tate
15:03at number six overall this year.
15:04We're not just talking quarterbacks.
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