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00:00It does seem, listen, I think people have a high faith in Andrew Barry's ability to find a trade partner
00:07if he wants to trade out of six.
00:09For some reason, that's really become the thing that everyone's like, yeah, okay, but who are you trading up for?
00:13Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I just, I think Jeremiah Love's got to be one of those answers, right?
00:17Even if he's there at six, I think there's enough teams out there that'll look at it and say, okay,
00:21that's the guy that we're going to make a big move for.
00:23But you're still trading up for a running back at the end of the day.
00:25Yeah, I, listen, I don't know where Bailey and Bain are going to go.
00:30It's, there's a decent possibility at least two of those guys could go before you're on the clock there.
00:37I, it makes more sense to me that somebody would trade up for one of these edge rushers.
00:41I know it's a deep class for edge rushers, but there is seen to be Arvel Reese, then Bain and
00:47Bailey.
00:48That's, that actually makes more sense than anything, but it's funny.
00:50Like it feels like the Browns have like a Goldilocks zone, like kind of what Daniel was saying of, well,
00:57if you can trade down within the next six or.
00:59Eight picks, I didn't do it, uh, six or eight picks and then still get one of the guys you
01:04wanted.
01:05And it's like, it doesn't feel like that draft.
01:08This feels, and it's funny because I do think most Browns fans are rooting for a trade down, which might
01:15be the only time in my life.
01:17I can remember that being like the sexy thing for most Browns fans.
01:20Why does it feel like a trade down?
01:22They're not even concerned about the compensation in return.
01:24They're just like, they want the trade down and then they'll act as if it's a win from there.
01:27I, in a weird way, a trade down would be as satisfying to a lot of fans as anything that
01:31you could see on draft night.
01:32And it's, and it's weird.
01:33Like I, there is, you know, I know Zach has his idea that if, you know, he thinks it's Carnell
01:39Tate, unless there is a trade down there.
01:41I know everyone started to kind of, kind of firm up their position of what they think is going to
01:46happen.
01:48I, I firmly believe Mendoza's going one.
01:50I'm pretty sure Arvel Reese is going two.
01:54And then I think it's going to be, I think you need chaos for you to, for Browns fans to
01:59get what they want, which is some sort of trade down in future.
02:01Well, that's what makes it so fascinating is that, and that's why so many people, you can't project out Jeremiah
02:05Love.
02:06You can't really project out Carnell Tate.
02:08For as many people that like Carnell Tate here because of Ohio State, there's just as many people that like
02:12Tyson better.
02:13We don't talk about him as much because he's not an Ohio State guy, but that's, that's the reality out
02:17there.
02:17And so I, I think you're right.
02:19I think there's a lot of anything can happen with this.
02:22That's why I've, I've isolated that, not to the idea of like, I want this person at six.
02:26I'm trying to figure out which picks will piss me off at six.
02:29Oh, which one?
02:29That's right.
02:30Well, Ty Simpson, Ty Simpson would piss me off at six.
02:32Yeah.
02:32I think that's a, that's a fair.
02:34Well, and then we had, we had Mary Kay last week that was talking about Ty Simpson at six and
02:37at six and Nick Shook was talking about Ty Simpson at six.
02:40And there was a growing momentum of Ty Simpson at six.
02:42That camp was starting to really get going last week, Nick.
02:45And so, uh, like I've, what did you do to derail it?
02:48I just did my best.
02:49Yeah.
02:49Just put my hard hat on.
02:50We got to work is all we did.
02:51Uh, and so like really for myself, I, I've, I've opened the whole entire board up and I'm just deciding
02:57which guys I don't like.
02:58And I don't like Ty Simpson at six and anything other than that is I'm going to be fine.
03:01I hate being here.
03:02Let me just preface what I'm about to say with, I hate being here, but if everything is about the
03:092027 first round, finding your quarterback.
03:13Then the thing that could make me happiest is getting a 2020, another 2027 first rounder.
03:19And even if you can't do that, getting a 2027 second and third round pick, like we're, we're to a
03:26point.
03:26And I hate being here because quite frankly, I don't think you have to punt on this season.
03:30I think if you had had a different quarterback room, I think it'd be very, very sunny of where you're
03:36going to be for now.
03:37It feels like for my hopes, it's Shador or bust.
03:40And I don't love being in the end with those odds specifically.
03:43Although as I'm growing into being a real supporter, I'm starting to love them more, but there's a part of
03:48me that's like you.
03:49I love it.
03:49I'm a show honk.
03:50I'm a supporter.
03:51I'm a, I'm a shill.
03:52I'm one of those guys.
03:53But, uh, I do think like, I have no limit on how far I'm willing to go to get a
04:012027 first.
04:03And if that means that you trade to pick 42 and you end up only having one first rounder and
04:08your first first rounder this year is 24, if that, what if it, what if it cancels out both first
04:13rounders?
04:13What do you mean?
04:14Like what if both of them?
04:15Yeah.
04:16What if a team is interested in your six and your 24 and that's where they'd offer up then the
04:19first and 27?
04:20Sure.
04:21Yeah.
04:22I think, I think if the whole point, if they're backing me into a corner where the only thing they're
04:27going to do to get a, to take a big swing at a franchise quarterback, then you need every asset
04:32at your disposal next year.
04:34So you like the jets have the currency.
04:37Well, you just, you can't, you can't get left with your pants down next year when it comes to the
04:412027 draft.
04:42Like if you're building all this towards that draft and you're building this towards the idea that you're getting to
04:46get your quarterback out of the five we're going to have in the first round next year,
04:49then you've got to be able to get your guy.
04:51Yes.
04:51And, and by the way, once you get past, like once you pass the top three receivers, I know there
04:58are guys that can be upper echelon receivers,
05:01but like the kid out of Louisville, who's a big wide, is it Chris Bell?
05:05Yeah, Chris Bell.
05:06So like, that's a guy who I think at 39, three years from now, we could say, how the hell
05:11did Chris Bell get to 39?
05:13We'd just say injuries is all the, the only answer would be, but that's a roll of the dice.
05:16Yeah.
05:16But like that, like that's where we are.
05:18Like I I'm just, I'm, I don't want to say I'm annoyed by where we are in the draft, but
05:24I do hate that everyone seems to be on the same page.
05:27And that, and like none of the options leave you feeling like, like again, like how am I going to
05:32be excited the day after the draft, that first night of the draft?
05:36If they're like, Hey, we only drafted, no, we, we didn't have any first rounders this year, but we got
05:41that 2027 first rounder.
05:43Like do the Browns realize how much it stinks that we're in that position that I have to say, well,
05:48if you're going to put all your eggs into the 2027 basket, you kind of got to go big or
05:52go home.
05:52At least it'd be selling the plan in a very outwardly and obvious way, which I would appreciate.
05:58I wouldn't.
05:59I know I would.
06:00Cause I, at least their plan, they haven't had a plan.
06:02That's the problem.
06:03And it feels like constantly they're not even looking out.
06:05I know they try to sell everyone in this like two, three, five year vision, but it constantly feels out
06:09like their, their vision is very flimsy and they can be moved at any given moment.
06:14At least this would signal to me, okay, you might not like the plan, but at least they've, they've decided
06:18they're going to go into this and they're going to try to make it work for 2027.
06:21And then we can figure it out from there.
06:222-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-9-2.
06:25How, double-0-9-2.
06:27How far should the Browns go to get a, another 2027 first round pick?
06:32I'll throw it back to you.
06:33Cause you asked me about the two first this year.
06:36How far do you, would you be willing to go?
06:38I'm not that committed to anybody.
06:39Like, so that part of the idea that I've made up this board of people, I just don't want at
06:42six is the idea that I haven't fallen in love with anybody at six.
06:45And that's a real problem for myself.
06:47Would I be accepting of Carnell Tate at six?
06:49Sure.
06:49Yeah, I guess I would.
06:50Would I be accepting of Jeremiah Love at six?
06:53Yeah.
06:54Yeah, I guess I would.
06:55Uh, but I haven't fallen in love with anybody.
06:56And that's why when you, when you haven't fallen in love with anybody, you can be malleable.
07:00You can, I can, I can take this any way in any direction I want.
07:03Ultimately, I like your overarching theme.
07:05If 2027 is the goal, and that's the only way you get another first rounder for 2027, then sign me
07:12up.
07:12Call this, uh, the Deshaun years part do, I guess, because, uh, we can just go the whole entire time
07:17of not having a first round pick all over again.
07:20If it gets me the quarterback in 2027.
07:21So while we're on the topic of this, again, the question here is how far should the Browns go to
07:26get a 2027 first round pick?
07:28Uh, Bill Barnwell did his mock.
07:31It's like a mock draft of trades.
07:33Okay.
07:33So for every pick in the first round, he goes through a potential, a hypothetical trade for that pick.
07:38Okay.
07:39Um, I don't remember the one for the first pick, but it was a Jets pick.
07:42So it was the Jets trading up to one.
07:44Uh, but he gave three for the Browns.
07:46I'm going to run these, I'm going to run each one by you, and I want you to tell me
07:49how much you like or dislike them.
07:50Okay.
07:51All right.
07:51Now, Daniel mentioned the Cowboys have been linked to the Browns at the sixth spot.
07:55That makes a lot of sense.
07:56They have two firsts this year.
07:57They still have a first next year, although it's going to be the lesser of the Cowboys Packers pick,
08:02because that's going to, the better one's going to, uh, the, the Jets as part of the Quentin Williams deal.
08:08But he has, uh, he being Bill Barnwell is sending the sixth pick and the 24th pick in a 2027
08:16fifth rounder to Dallas.
08:18Okay.
08:18For the 12th pick, the 20th pick in a 2027 second round pick.
08:23Well, yeah, I don't see how we lose in that scenario.
08:26Why not?
08:27Well, if we're, if we, if we got two first and a second out of it, and then we're giving
08:31two first and a fifth, we're losing some positioning here.
08:33But if a number 12 overall and 20 overall can likely get me whatever top wide receiver I want or
08:39whatever top tackle I want.
08:40And then mixed in that same second tier, that'd actually be better than what you have at 24.
08:44Uh, yeah, I think that's a win.
08:45It feels like a little Steiner math to me.
08:48It feels a little bit like talking, it felt very complicated.
08:51It's like the, okay, you're swapping the six pick for the 12th pick, but then because of that, you're moving
08:56from 24 to 20.
08:57And then of course you're going to get a pick swap in 2027 where you move up three rounds.
09:02I don't know.
09:03Which I think is the bigger deal out of this for me.
09:04I think you're probably right.
09:06By the way, I think if you can't get a 2027 first rounder, I think a 2027 second rounder does
09:11just give you at least something extra.
09:13It just, it feels a little bit of like two teams that aren't entirely convinced of what they're going to
09:19get in the draft.
09:20So it feels a little bit of reorganizing the deck chairs in the Titanic.
09:23So what would the Cowboys would be thinking they can get one of these edge guys at six overall?
09:28That's their deal.
09:29And so like for the Cowboys, it makes a bunch of sense, a bunch of sense.
09:31Like that's what they need.
09:32That's what they've been searching since they traded Micah Parsons.
09:34There's a reason why they were in on Hendrickson.
09:36There's a reason why they've been in on basically every edge rusher you can imagine.
09:40So yeah, I think that, I think that in a weird way, I think it does kind of work.
09:44I would rather, while we're on the topic, I would rather just not get the 12th pick back, get the
09:512027 first.
09:53As well as the 2027 second.
09:55And just roll the dice on whatever that ends up being.
09:56Yeah.
09:57Yeah, I would too.
09:58I don't, I think they're going to look at the first round in 2027 as way more valuable though.
10:03Yeah, well, Dallas is in a situation where this kind of feels like Dallas's last stand potentially with Dak.
10:08He's getting up there.
10:09He's getting up there in age.
10:10He's also going to his contract year.
10:12They're also, they're not, they're definitely retooling, but they're trying to do it on the fly.
10:16And if they don't get the math right, it just wouldn't surprise me if in a year they decided, well,
10:22Dak's going to go off, finish his career elsewhere, and we're just going to reset this thing.
10:25I could see that.
10:26Maybe right to a Cleveland Browns jersey.
10:28I don't know.
10:31Sorry, I didn't mean to do that, guys.
10:32I know it's a Monday.
10:33Again, if that was this offseason, I'd be so excited.
10:35But thank you about next year.
10:36That's really good.
10:37He's really good.
10:38He's just getting up there in age.
10:38Which is not, we're not ages here.
10:40Now, the second trade here, the Patriots get 24 and the Browns get 31-95, which is a third rounder
10:48and a mid-six round pick.
10:52That doesn't really do anything for me.
10:53So he moves seven spots down.
10:55Yeah, it doesn't really do anything for me.
10:55You know what, for me, it's because if that third rounder was a next year third rounder, I might be
11:00more inclined to think, that's only seven spots, why the hell not?
11:04Yeah, maybe if it was next year.
11:06We do have a lot of picks, though.
11:07The Browns have 10 total picks.
11:08We have a lot of picks this year.
11:10I don't know that we just need to be stocking up, necessarily.
11:13Well, and also, 95 is on the outside of the range.
11:18This is supposed to be, the difference between the 10th pick and the 60th pick is supposed to be nil.
11:24That's not the same thing as saying the 10th pick and the 95th pick.
11:27There's not a huge difference between those players.
11:29All right, final one here.
11:30This has the Browns trading back into the first round for the 32nd pick for picks 39, 70, and one
11:38of their fifth round picks.
11:40Okay, yes, I would do that.
11:42For a third first rounder this year?
11:44Sure.
11:44You know who that's going to be for, right?
11:47Caden Proctor.
11:48No, it's going to be for Ty Simpson.
11:51Is that the only way we get this?
11:52Yeah, well, no, I think the reason you'd be trading back into the first round is to get that fifth
11:57-year option for that quarterback.
11:58Yeah, but unless there's always wide receivers or somebody that falls in a spot where you're like,
12:04I can't believe Omar Cooper is still there at 32.
12:06I think the only way you're giving up three of your next most valuable picks this year.
12:13And again, now all of a sudden you've got more late-round picks than you do early-round picks.
12:18I think the only way you do it is for Ty Simpson.
12:21It's a third and a fifth, and then you're basically swapping out the first and the second there.
12:24So, like, I don't know.
12:25I would do it.
12:26But I'm a believer of, in this draft, you need to get as close to or as best positioning as
12:32you possibly can
12:33because I just feel like the difference there is going to matter.
12:36216-474-0092.
12:38You heard these three first-round trades for the Browns.
12:44Which one do you like the most?
12:45I will tell you this.
12:47None of them am I sold on.
12:50The only one I hate is the Seattle one.
12:52Yeah.
12:53I don't want to trade back for a third first-rounder.
12:55Not this year.
12:56This is just not the year that I want to have three first-rounders.
13:00I'm just trying to think.
13:01Like, the one time we've seen them do it in recent years, that was the Njoku draft.
13:062017.
13:07And that one, I mean, honestly.
13:09TJ Watt went, like, two picks later.
13:11Yeah, yeah.
13:11There was just a lot of talent in that draft, too, though.
13:13There was a lot in that draft.
13:15Not for the Browns.
13:16It's just not necessarily.
13:17Beyond Njoku and our buddy, Miles.
13:21And Miles, yeah, I was going to say.
13:21It worked out.
13:23What's funny about that is.
13:24Everybody else kind of stunk in that draft.
13:25It's funny.
13:26We just never talk about that draft.
13:27And no one ever, since the day Miles was taken, no one ever relitigated it.
13:31No one ever questioned it.
13:32It was just always going to be Miles.
13:33And then you just watch him overperform and over-exceed every expectation, even while being the number one pick.
13:38Also known as the Jabril Peppers trade.
13:43Oof.
13:44All to line up, like, 45 yards off the ball.
13:46All to line up five years later, six years later, trading all your assets for Deshaun Watson, who you could
13:54have taken in 12.
13:55Now we're just having fun.
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