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00:00You would know that both of us are ineligible, which right now, one of the guys we're about to talk
00:04about is eligible for the supplemental draft.
00:08So back in the day, the Browns took this guy, Bernie Kosar, in the supplemental.
00:13I just didn't know, you know.
00:15I'm plenty familiar.
00:17Whether you're a historian or not.
00:19Okay, so the rest is history.
00:22Three AFC Championship games was just an incredible figure and still is in this town.
00:28Anyway, it worked out.
00:29Long story short, we also took Josh Gordon in the supplemental.
00:32Kind of worked out for a year.
00:34Kind of worked out.
00:35Kind of didn't work out.
00:37It was one of the best wide receiver seasons I've seen in the history of the NFL.
00:40Still like 14 games, right?
00:42Did you only get 14 games in?
00:44640 yards.
00:44Or 1,640 yards.
00:46I think you'd say, for scouting purposes, supplemental draft has been very kind to the Cleveland Browns.
00:52It's very seldomly used.
00:55A lot of fans are totally confused about the process in general.
00:58But it pertains to somebody that we are talking about right now.
01:04Brendan Soresby.
01:06Who, his college career has come to a quick end, an abrupt end, because he's ineligible.
01:11Because he gambled.
01:13Thousands of wagers.
01:15But not only did he gamble, he gambled on his own team.
01:19So that is what we do know.
01:21He's also in an inpatient rehab facility for sports wagering, which some of my friends need to be in.
01:29So, this was Todd McShay on his own podcast as part of the ringer.
01:35He had this to say when scouting, Brendan Soresby, the quarterback.
01:39If I'm the, I don't know, the Browns, more importantly, like the Jets, the Cardinals, I'm meeting as if this
01:46is April 1st or maybe March 15th with my staff right now.
01:51Like, come back.
01:51Because if we have the quarterback coach and we have the contract the right way, we have the psychologist putting
01:58a stamp on it, we have the FBI agents working in the security department in our organization.
02:03If we can get aligned and say collectively, we are comfortable taking this risk, I'm not batting an eye, man.
02:11Not batting an eye, Todd McShay, going over the tape, I asked around where he might be projected to go
02:18in next year's draft, had he been in next year's draft.
02:21What did you say, Nick?
02:22Like, a late first-round pick.
02:24People were expecting, like, if he could even put together a Fernando Mendoza at Indiana-type run, like, he could
02:30be a mid-first-round pick.
02:31He was going to be a Texas Tech, right?
02:32Yeah.
02:33And there was some talent on that team.
02:35So, I think, man, you're saying late first.
02:38I'm on arrows pointing up.
02:40Like, I think he could have played his way.
02:42Yeah, but how many, the last, however many, what, four years, how many of these first-round projected quarterbacks have
02:47just totally fallen off?
02:49Sure.
02:50Projections.
02:50Sure.
02:51I do think, like.
02:52I think Arch is going to change that, obviously.
02:54But he was one of these guys that was going to make seven figures.
02:58Yeah.
02:59You know, with his NIL deal.
03:00And it felt like, oh, and he was kind of, like, the opposite.
03:02Like, it felt like he was one that was actually, like, ascending.
03:05Different from, like, Clubnick and Nussmeyer last year.
03:08Like, it felt like Soresby was one that, like, he put together some great tape at UC.
03:12He was going to go transfer to a bigger program and have a big opportunity to wait him at Texas
03:17Tech.
03:17And this was somebody that was, like, you know, surefire second-round pick.
03:21But, like, if you could put together even a, you know, a passable season at Texas Tech, you're, like, you're
03:26going to be a first-round pick.
03:2827 touchdowns, five interceptions.
03:306'3", 220.
03:32And he ran for 580 yards, nine touchdowns.
03:34Like, I think he definitely would have been a first-round pick.
03:37You're right, Owen.
03:38Like, some guys just don't play well, which, you know, we've seen that happen, too.
03:41But let's just, for the sake of argument, because it gets more, this argument's way better if we're talking about
03:45a potential first-round pick in next year's draft.
03:48Todd McShay mentioned the Browns along with the Jets and says this is absolutely somebody they should be looking at.
03:56The talent, it looks like, it's going to be there.
03:58And guys are going to go over the tape to death, you know, before all of this.
04:02But there's an FBI investigation, and this is somebody who's been, you know, essentially going to be banned from college
04:11football because the one no-no we know is betting on your own team.
04:14They're all warned about it, so that's terrible judgment to begin with.
04:17But if you believe that, you know, the addiction is something that can be curbed, it's, you're going to have
04:26a lot of this, by the way, coming into professional sports.
04:28Like, you're going to have a bunch of kids who've been gambling, who now you have to tell them absolutely
04:32not.
04:32And so it's just another thing, like anything else, like drugs, alcohol, whatever it may be, this is going to
04:39be something all these NFL teams are going to be dealing with.
04:41So would you be open to this, Nick Padone?
04:44Obviously, like, I think what's funny about Todd McShay's entire thing is, like, as long as the psychologists give it
04:51a checkmark and the FBI agents give it a checkmark,
04:55I think the Browns would have to be in on this, right?
04:57You just mentioned two things.
04:59I think immediately Browns fans would be like, we have enough difficulties handling guys who have orange dots, whether or
05:06not they're going to be good football players.
05:07And I feel like, you know, in Berea over the years, like the private investigators and the psychologists are two
05:13departments that have gotten a lot of run when it comes to the quarterback position,
05:17when they made the move that they made in 2022.
05:21I wonder if they'd be willing to swing, you know, at all with a player that has some questionable off
05:28the field stuff surrounding him.
05:30But, like, if this was a guy that if he didn't have the gambling stuff, would have been a first
05:35-round pick next year, and you could get him in the supplemental draft for a fourth-round pick or a
05:40third-round pick,
05:41and we saw the way that Andrew Barry loaded up on those round four picks in the draft, like, this
05:46is somebody that, you know, they're obsessed with value.
05:49Like, if you could get a first-round talent for a fourth-round pick.
05:52If they scouted him and thought, yes, that is a first-round pick in next year's loaded draft.
05:57So, we don't have to worry about tanking.
05:59We don't have to trade Miles Garrett to get to the top of the draft or anything like that.
06:04We believe in this roster.
06:07Like, I could sell you on that, right?
06:09Couldn't I sell you if I thought that, you know, we're sitting here debating.
06:14Deshaun Watson's been terrible for the better part of five, six years.
06:18There's Shador, while he had some awesome highlights last year, he just is so far behind in Todd Munkin's offense
06:26already
06:26that we're going to be shuffling back and forth.
06:29Like, or we could get somebody ahead of everybody else who's desperate for a quarterback.
06:33We could just go up in the supplemental and get this dude now?
06:37Is that, doesn't that sound like something that would be, it's outside the box for sure.
06:42It's not the first time Cleveland has been able to pull that off in the supplemental,
06:46and it worked out pretty legendarily well back in the 80s.
06:49You also mentioned if they start scouting him.
06:53I kind of like it.
06:53I think they've started scouting him, guys.
06:56They drafted the tight end that he threw 900 yards to.
07:00Well, I like this.
07:00In day three.
07:01I liked it.
07:02They drafted Joe Royer, who had 900 receiving yards from Sorsby.
07:06Reckless speculation.
07:08Wait, wait, what's reckless?
07:09Well, I don't know that they've started scouting him yet.
07:12Well, if you drafted the tight end that caught 900 yards.
07:15Yes, I understand.
07:16They saw him throw passes.
07:17That's a lot different than scouting.
07:19You got area scouts.
07:20They've got their clipboard out.
07:22They've got their notebook.
07:23Like, they've always got to be thinking about quarterback.
07:25Come on.
07:26I mean, you didn't think they watched probably every single catch that guy made,
07:29and they didn't once say, hey, this Sorsby kid's got a good arm,
07:32and he can move a little bit.
07:33And we could get him this year.
07:34No, stop, stop, stop doing the, well, they obviously watched him.
07:38They watched a guy catch passes.
07:40They didn't go back and go, okay, let's see how the line blocked
07:43and how he moved through his progressions.
07:46I might have talked.
07:47Nick, you might have talked me into it.
07:48He caught 80 passes.
07:49I agree with Nick that, yeah, if it's like a fourth-round pick, cool.
07:52But you're going to have to do some poking around as an organization
07:56and see where other people stand on it,
07:57because you can't just throw that out there and then get outbid on it.
08:01All right, 216-474-0092.
08:04Is this something that would interest you,
08:06someone who could be a potential first-round pick that you could get this year?
08:11Later today, don't forget Mary Kay Cabot.
08:13We'll ask her about this quarterback that maybe for some of you
08:16just landed on the radar like in the last 48 hours.
08:21Owen, is that you?
08:22Yep, I'm one of those guys.
08:23And I think for most people it is,
08:25or we would have been talking about him months ago.
08:28Yeah, think about it.
08:29Well, and let's put in perspective why all of a sudden we're talking about
08:32this quarterback who is ineligible currently in college football
08:36because there were a few bets.
08:40Let's put it in the four digits of how many bets that he made.
08:43Now, a lot of them were...
08:44Yeah, he didn't get on the radar because of his football play.
08:47He was a fine enough quarterback, whatever.
08:49But he got on the radar because he got in trouble for gambling on his own team.
08:54Yeah, he was gambling on his own team.
08:56Now, was it at Indiana?
08:57It was at Indiana.
08:59It was his freshman year.
08:59Where he started his career.
09:00It was his freshman year.
09:02And then he just gave it up?
09:03No.
09:04Well, this is the thing.
09:05We got to talk about...
09:05Well, I don't think he gave it up.
09:07I think he just moved to, like, baseball and other sports.
09:10Well, people, I don't know that we have the full picture on this yet.
09:14I'm going to hit this sound again.
09:16I'm going to make it louder.
09:18I don't know that we know the full picture on this.
09:20And obviously, these teams, they got to be scrambling and doing a deep dive on him.
09:24So he's decided that he's going to enter the supplemental draft.
09:27And I will say, I've had some people say he is not going in the fourth round of the supplemental.
09:32Like, with the bidding process and everything, he could very easily go first or second.
09:37So you'd be giving up your first or second pick to go go.
09:40I'll believe that when I see it, though.
09:42I'll believe that when I see it.
09:43Because I've got pulled up the history of the supplemental draft.
09:46And the last time that a second round pick was given up was 2012 for Josh Gordon.
09:52So we have absolutely, you know, dipped our feet in the pool of the supplemental before, obviously, the Bernie Kosar
09:58example.
09:59But then after that, so in 2015, a fifth round pick.
10:01In 2018, a third and a sixth round pick.
10:04And in 2019, that was the last supplemental draft pick was 2019, was a fifth.
10:09Has somebody this good been available?
10:11I know Terrell Pryor was brought up.
10:12Has somebody this good be the Pryor comp, right?
10:16So Terrell Pryor was a third.
10:19And obviously, there was, you know, some questions when he was coming out.
10:22Wasn't there about the position change?
10:25Or was he a quarterback?
10:26No, he was a quarterback for a while.
10:27But I think everybody kind of had it in the back of their mind.
10:30They were telling him to go be a receiver.
10:32Right.
10:33Yeah, but as I'm looking at this, man, like, it's all the way back until, like, 2003.
10:37You had another second round pick for Tony Hollings.
10:40Yeah, I just don't know how relevant that is for today, where you have a very weird situation.
10:45So I'll tell you the bonus of something like this.
10:48And I told Owen, this would change my entire outlook on the year.
10:53Because I'll be honest, right now, like, yeah, it would be awesome if Shador Sanders gets in there and is
10:59amazing.
10:59And then we're not even, this is laughable.
11:01We're laughing about any of the talk of a quarterback in next year's loaded draft.
11:05But I mean, based on, we're going to talk to Mary Kay at 820.
11:08She's saying that the other quarterback is inside track to beat him out.
11:12So it's because of that, that I'm sitting here going, man, in the back of my mind, every time they
11:18lose a football game, I'm going to go, that's not the worst thing in the world.
11:20Like, holy cow, that's not a bad thing at all.
11:23But what a terrible way to go into a season when you're watching your football team.
11:27As opposed to, if you took this dude, I don't have to root for my team to lose games.
11:32Well, I don't think they're going to try, really, to lose their way into the first round pick because they
11:36hired a 60-year-old head coach.
11:38They spent all of this money on this retooled offensive line.
11:42Like, I don't think they're going to try to lose their way into the number one pick anyway.
11:45So maybe this is their way.
11:47Like, if we're not going to be able to get Arch Manning, if we're not going to be able to
11:50get Dante Moore, maybe we just do this because the defense and everything else might be too good.
11:55Owen's shaking his head like he came from the conversation.
11:57A month ago, were you guys even looking at this guy with the first round pick?
12:01No, I didn't know he'd be eligible.
12:03No, so now you're going to go, okay, let's do it.
12:04Oh, and here's why.
12:05Could I tell you why?
12:06I'm desperate.
12:07I'm about as desperate as I've ever been.
12:09Okay, everyone's been desperate for a long time, Nick.
12:12Everyone's been desperate in this town for a long time.
12:15Were you this desperate a month ago to go, throw this season away for this guy?
12:19For this guy?
12:21No, Nick, for this guy.
12:22No, we talked about Arch.
12:23Not for Arch Manning.
12:24We talked about Arch.
12:24For this guy.
12:25Not for Dante Moore.
12:26Or for this guy.
12:27Were you that desperate a month ago to throw away this season?
12:30If it's a third or fourth in the supplemental draft and Brendan Sorsby either can't.
12:33It's not going to be a third or fourth.
12:34We just said it's going to be a second at least.
12:36I'll believe that when I see it.
12:40I mean, look, Owen, when you talk about desperation, there are guys saying Taylor Green should get a shot.
12:44I mean, so this is how desperate we are as a fan base.
12:47Again, this guy that no one knew his name until he got in trouble for gambling a month ago.
12:53I knew who Brendan Sorsby was.
12:54And you were going to give up the season for your first round pick for this guy?
12:58I'm just saying it'd be a lot more fun to not have to worry about that losing game this year.
13:02You know why I keep saying this guy?
13:03Because I don't know his name.
13:04Okay, but why do you keep saying giving up the season?
13:07Were you going to give up this upcoming season for this guy that we weren't talking about a month ago?
13:18Were you willing to do that?
13:20A month ago?
13:21We weren't talking about him because he wasn't in the draft.
13:23He wasn't going to be eligible.
13:23Yeah, there's no possible way to get him.
13:25I was even entertaining Ty Simpson.
13:27That's how desperate I was a month ago.
13:29No, don't ever admit to that.
13:31Don't say that out loud.
13:32I mean, Sean McVay and the Rams entertained it.
13:35Sean McVay didn't entertain it.
13:37The Rams entertained it, and then they told Sean McVay, and he went, eh.
13:42I don't know, man.
13:43I just feel like when your current situation is a guy that hasn't been a good quarterback
13:47since before the global pandemic and hasn't played an entire season.
13:52Deshaun Watson hasn't completed a season since the league changed the schedule from 16 to 17 games.
13:58I've watched all the games, Nick.
13:59I know that.
14:00And the other option is Shador Sanders.
14:02For whatever reason, fair or not, they don't think highly of him.
14:07Isn't that kind of obvious right now on Shador?
14:09I mean, I hate to say it.
14:10And I like Shador.
14:11And I know we were going to get into some of the stuff with Shlereth.
14:14I wanted the Browns to draft Shador last year, and I actually thought when he got on the field,
14:18he showed a little bit of promise, and not a ton.
14:21He threw more interceptions than he did touchdowns, and he was sacked over 20 times in seven starts.
14:25But I'd still play him over Deshaun Watson.
14:29With all that said, the fact that the Browns aren't even thinking about starting him over Deshaun Watson,
14:32according to some of these early reports, it tells you what they think about the current state of this quarterback
14:38room.
14:38And if the cost is a second or a third, okay, if it's not a fourth, then I'm not going
14:43to get my way there.
14:45I don't know, maybe you entertain, especially with this defense, if they're convicted that they're not trading Miles Garrett,
14:51and you've got Denzel Ward, and you're probably going to be too good.
14:55Even if you accidentally win just four or five games, you're going to be out of that Dante Moore-Arch
15:00-Manning sweepstakes
15:01with the Cardinals are going to be bad, the Jets are going to be bad.
15:04You've got all of these quarterback-needy teams.
15:07I just don't think that this is the craziest idea of all time.
15:11Like, I'm not saying that I'd be signing up to give away a first-round draft pick
15:15and take myself out of the Arch-Manning thing completely,
15:18but if they entertained it, like, I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up to it
15:22because I am that desperate right now.
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15:27Major Cap says, we think Soresby will just magically stop betting in the pros.
15:31You still can't do it there either, LOL.
15:34All right, so this is something I don't want to gloss over, right?
15:36I don't, this is out of my depth.
15:39Well, switch to horses.
15:40Well, this is, we've seen some others prominently in that sport.
15:45I think that's poker.
15:47You can't do it in the facility.
15:48Listen, I'm out of my depth when it comes to this.
15:51You know, I have a lot of buddies that gamble.
15:54I talk, obviously, about Fanatic Sportsbook
15:57and all the great entertainment you can have there,
16:01but I don't know.
16:02I don't know if there is, especially in this new world
16:06where a lot of these kids, a lot of these high school kids in the college
16:09find their way, you know, wagering on, this is their whole life now
16:14that they've been involved with this stuff.
16:18Is this something you can stop doing?
16:20Are you able to stop betting on the thing that you also go do every day?
16:24Which, the thing is, you've been instructed from day one on campus
16:27that you can't do it, that it's expressly prohibited.
16:30It's not like he just figured out one day, like,
16:33oh, I'm not allowed to do this.
16:34Like, it is bad judgment.
16:36It's terrible judgment.
16:36Now you guys are talking me out of it, though, a little bit.
16:38Just like that, all right?
16:40Only because, like, the last time that the Browns really had to roll up
16:44their sleeves and kind of pop the hood open on a situation like this,
16:48I think they kind of miscalculated it.
16:50Like, I don't think they were expecting—
16:52The Browns have been miscalculating these things for decades, right?
16:55I don't think they expected Watson to get suspended for 11 games
16:58when that came down.
16:59I think they thought it was going to be—
17:01Well, he didn't get suspended for 11 games.
17:02He got suspended for six.
17:04Well, and then the whole year.
17:05And then the NFL went, no, you cannot do that.
17:10Obviously, this is the element of it.
17:11Like, you'd have to pour over it.
17:14We don't have enough debt.
17:15And that's why I don't think it's not going to be a first-round pick,
17:18and I'd almost be surprised if it's a second-round pick
17:20because of some of the baggage that it comes with.
17:22Like, I'm not saying don't do it.
17:22This is a guy that might start his NFL career suspended.
17:25I'm not saying don't do it.
17:26I'm saying don't do it for a second.
17:28Don't do it for a third, even.
17:30I'd agree with the fourth one.
17:31I don't know that you can.
17:33I don't know that the Browns can do that.
17:35There are other organizations that can do that.
17:37The Browns are not one of them.
17:38But I think when your competition is the Jets and the Arizona Cardinals.
17:44But it's not competition now if it goes down to a fourth.
17:47Now there's a lot of teams that take a flyer.
17:48Right.
17:49Yeah, it's a weighted lottery.
17:51Now you're into the Ty Simpson logic of, well, he can set.
17:54It's obviously the supplemental.
17:56Most fans don't even know how the supplemental works.
18:00So this...
18:00There's not even a date for it yet.
18:02Yeah, it's a bizarre premature.
18:04It's because they haven't decided how many people could be in the supplemental.
18:07Yeah, and then here's another thing.
18:08Is he going to be suspended coming into the NFL?
18:09Right.
18:09Like, we've seen them suspend guys for college grievances before.
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