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00:00On today's show, you were abused.
00:03You tell your mother that you're being abused by somebody and they don't believe you.
00:08One time.
00:10I'm out!
00:12I don't want nothing more to do yet.
00:15As far as I'm concerned, you're dead.
00:17Yeah!
00:18Boy!
00:19One time!
00:20Who do you think you were?
00:21I play your rules, we are.
00:23I play your mum.
00:25Not you.
00:25I'm everything.
00:26I'm a church.
00:29She left your house, but she said you're a nightmare.
00:32No!
00:33No!
00:33I've tried time and time again to help you and help you and help...
00:39Do you smoke drugs around your child?
00:41Does your wife smoke drugs?
00:43Yeah, Stacey smoked drugs.
00:44Around the child.
00:45No, never around the child.
00:46You're lying on your face!
00:48You're lying on your wife!
00:49Have I still got my baby too?
00:51Let's death!
00:52All right!
00:52I've got no idea if you're smoking drugs around your child.
00:55You just shouldn't have it in the first place, should you?
00:57Come on!
00:58Come on!
01:00Woe is me!
01:14Come on!
01:16Come on!
01:18Come on!
01:23Good morning!
01:24Good morning!
01:24Welcome to the show. My first guest today, Sammy Lee, is here as she is desperate for answers from her
01:30mother, Val, whom she describes quite simply as the world's worst mum.
01:34She says that Val used to attack her as a child and put her into care at the age of
01:3812 with absolutely no explanation.
01:40Now, Sammy Lee claims she's tried to reconnect with her mother as an adult but has always faced rejection and
01:44was even kicked out of the family home again last year.
01:47She says that unless Val admits her mistakes today and gives her the answer she craves, she will have finally
01:53no choice but to disown this woman for good.
01:55This lady, very brave, big day for us. Sammy Lee on the Jeremy Kyle Show. That way.
02:07How are you doing? I'm all right.
02:09I have to tell you, when I read this today, and I know you're nervous and I know it's... anybody
02:14can see it.
02:16People throw out phrases when they come on the Jeremy Kyle Show. He was violent, she's an alcoholic, she was
02:23the world's worst mother.
02:25She wasn't great, was she? No.
02:27Um, you're 24. Yeah.
02:30Your mum, Val, is 55. She's here today. Let's take it back. First memories as a child. First inclination that
02:36things weren't perhaps as they should be.
02:39It... Nah.
02:40As loud as you can.
02:41I don't even know where to start, cos it all started, erm, when I told her I was being abused
02:51and she didn't believe me.
02:53How old were you?
02:54Oh, nine.
02:55Now, we have to be...
02:57Pushed it off.
02:57I'm just going to do this because it's important that we do.
03:01Um, you were abused...
03:03Yeah.
03:04..from the age of six...
03:06..to the age of 16.
03:07Yeah.
03:07This was not a family member.
03:09No.
03:11Um, anybody watching this, and I know how nervous you are, I can see it, would understand what you must
03:19be feeling right now.
03:20But just imagine one thing. You tell your mother that you're being abused by somebody and they don't believe you.
03:27It's nice, isn't it? Why didn't she believe you?
03:30I don't know.
03:31I don't know.
03:33I... I don't know.
03:35Well, you're showing your colours quite early, love. Why don't you shut your mouth until I invite you to speak?
03:43Look at me. Look at me.
03:47Anybody with a brain cell would admire the fact that you're here.
03:50You have nothing to look at the floor about. You can look at me, cos I'm on your side, trust
03:54me.
03:55You say that she never loved you.
03:57She didn't believe you.
03:58I'm...
03:59Growing up as a child, I've never felt loved by her.
04:02You know, I've always felt rejection.
04:05She would beat you?
04:06Yeah.
04:07Plenty of times.
04:08She used to pull me in, slap me across my face.
04:11I woke up one time to her, she came back, sorry for swearing, but she woke up my head, and
04:16she had her hands around my throat and it took my eldest brother to get her off me.
04:22She nearly killed me that night.
04:23Did she ever tell you that she loved you?
04:24Nah.
04:25She's never told me that.
04:26Never, never.
04:27Never hear them words.
04:28So you tell your mother this devastating news, she doesn't believe you, she's particularly horrible to you.
04:32And then at 12, she waves you off to care.
04:35Yeah.
04:36Without a backward glance.
04:38No, them social workers came for me.
04:40And, you know...
04:42What was that like that day?
04:43It was horrible.
04:44I still remember, I still picture it, I still sometimes think about it.
04:48In care, did she visit you?
04:49Only a few times, unless social services were paying for it.
04:53She didn't visit me.
04:54And majority of the time, I was only literally...
04:57In fact, there was one time...
04:58You're lying!
05:00Stop!
05:01Yes, you are!
05:02You're right to my case!
05:04Are you dumb?
05:06What?
05:06Yeah!
05:07You're lying!
05:08I am your God!
05:10I am your God!
05:12Get them out of here!
05:13I'm telling you, all right?
05:16Get there and be quiet!
05:19Do me a favour.
05:21Shut it, lady.
05:23Tell me about your 13th birthday.
05:25Oh!
05:27Erm...
05:28The children's home I were in that time.
05:29Look at me.
05:30Don't look at the floor.
05:31You don't have to look at the floor anymore.
05:32Look at me.
05:33Oh, they had a party for me.
05:35And I phoned my mum.
05:37And I begged her and begged her to bring my brothers and sisters to my party.
05:41And she said, no, she didn't send me no birthday cards.
05:45She didn't get me no presents.
05:46Quite interestingly, you told my team,
05:49I absolutely have accepted responsibility for the things that I did wrong.
05:53I was a rebel.
05:54I went off the rails.
05:55I guess people would understand.
05:57But what you're saying is you always felt like the outsider.
06:01She didn't show you love.
06:02She didn't guide you.
06:03She didn't give you what most people in this room and at home would assume is pretty natural.
06:10Nah.
06:11I'm not being funny.
06:12She should have been sterilised at birth.
06:14Why would you even try and reconnect with somebody who can be...
06:17I don't even think it's funny for the people that have just sniggered.
06:20Why would a...
06:21Why would you even be here trying to reconnect with a woman who's just on national television
06:27called you the worst name ever?
06:28I don't...
06:29I don't want any sort of relationship with her.
06:32I want answers.
06:33I want to know why...
06:34What if you never get those answers?
06:36Well...
06:36But you see, interestingly, right, and I'll be interested in the audience's reaction,
06:41naturally this woman's going to come out and she's going to say you were a nightmare
06:44charge, you were a devil charge, you were jealous of all your siblings, you created hell
06:47in the house, you've been nothing but a pain in the backside, she hasn't washed her hands
06:50and you've thrown everything back in her face.
06:53Interestingly, you look at her reaction.
06:54Do me a favour today, look at me.
06:56Yeah.
06:56You ain't alone on this, you do not have to look at the floor, right?
06:59Yeah.
07:00And just remember one word, something that she wouldn't know how to spell.
07:03Dignity.
07:04That's apparently a mother, you can clap if you want, but Val's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
07:24Hello, Jeremy.
07:26Disgusting language.
07:26Finish what you started then, Gobby.
07:28I thought you were giving it large, Mother of the Year.
07:30Go on.
07:31No, the reason she was put into care, because she went off the rails, yeah?
07:35You told my team she started, Sammy Lee, causing troubles when she went off the rails at 12
07:40years of age.
07:41Yes, she did.
07:42She played truant from school and something had to be done.
07:45Yes, she did.
07:45Can I make a suggestion for all the women who have dealt with difficult children watching
07:50this programme, why do women and people like you think it's all right to abdicate this
07:54responsibility and give it to somebody else?
07:56Why didn't you put up with it and bring her up yourself?
07:59I tried.
08:01Where were you?
08:02She had to go into care because, listen, she had to be put into care because she was
08:10a threat to her brothers and sisters.
08:12Maybe she just wanted her mother's love.
08:14Just let me speak.
08:14Maybe she wanted her mother's love.
08:17When a child comes to you and says they're being sexually abused, what did she do about
08:20it?
08:21I didn't know nothing about it.
08:22I didn't tell you.
08:23No, I did not.
08:25You did not tell me until you came to live with me.
08:28Until I came to live with you?
08:58Yeah.
08:59You were a useless mother who's basically messed her life up.
09:02No, I was not a useless mother.
09:03How many people in this audience believe this girl?
09:07And how many people believe this?
09:10So it's me, is it?
09:12No.
09:13How many times did she go and visit her in care?
09:18How many times did she go and visit her?
09:23How many times did she go and visit her in five years?
09:40Probably seven.
09:42I used to take her birthday cards and I took her presents.
09:46And I don't want nothing more to do with you.
09:49As far as I'm concerned, you're dead.
09:51Yeah.
09:51Well done.
09:52Well done.
09:52Well done.
09:53Well done.
09:53Good bye.
09:54See you later, everyone.
09:56Scomba.
09:58Who are you?
09:59Kirsty.
10:00Ay, what a mum that mum is.
10:02That doesn't help me out.
10:02But there you go.
10:03Right.
10:04Who do you think you are?
10:06Who do you think you are?
10:06I play your role, sweetheart.
10:08I play her mum.
10:09Not you.
10:10I'm everything a mother.
10:12Wait a minute, don't go anywhere.
10:14Why do you call your daughter a prostitute?
10:16Oh, I'm a prostitute!
10:17Yes!
10:18You're disgusting!
10:19Sorry, Gerará!
10:21Sorry, Jeremy!
10:22That's your daughter!
10:23I don't care.
10:30Have you got a jealous partner?
10:32Are you the one that cannot control your jealousy?
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11:05Thank you very much, Shadeem.
11:06Welcome back.
11:07So, who are you?
11:08I'm not drunk!
11:09Hold on a second.
11:09Who are you?
11:10I'm not drunk!
11:11What are you just saying on national television?
11:12Your daughter's dead to you?
11:14What do you think that is?
11:14Do you think that's good?
11:16She is dead to me.
11:17You're disgusting.
11:18Sorry, Jeremy.
11:19I don't want nothing to say.
11:20Sorry, Jeremy.
11:21That's your daughter.
11:22I don't care.
11:23She told you she was abused.
11:24You're a friend.
11:25Just tell me your relationship with her.
11:27I play Sammy's mum.
11:28How long have you known her?
11:29I play Sammy's mum.
11:30Four years.
11:31Yeah, four years.
11:31She told you the truth?
11:32Yeah.
11:33I've read some of my social reports, so she can't deny that.
11:36What do they say?
11:37They say that she was abused as a child.
11:40Her mother didn't care about her.
11:41Her mother gave her up.
11:43And that she's the way that she is.
11:44Why are you running?
11:45Because she don't like the truth.
11:46Why are you running anyway?
11:47She's a liar.
11:48I don't think she's a liar at all.
11:49Yes, she is.
11:49I think the fact that you've...
11:50Well, then get on that stage and argue your points instead of running off like some...
11:54No, no, I'm...
11:54Oh, you're running, are you?
11:55I'm done.
11:56Well, watch this.
11:57You're done.
11:58I'm done.
11:59That was ten minutes of you being a mother.
12:01What are you going to do?
12:01Give her to somebody else to look after again.
12:03Why do you call your daughter a prostitute?
12:06Oh, I'm a prostitute?
12:07Yes.
12:08Because Chrissy has got...
12:10Done a statement.
12:12And it's all on me.
12:13I'll do this.
12:14I'll tell you what, instead of running, come with me.
12:16Come with me.
12:17Yeah, because I think this is really interesting.
12:18Come here.
12:19Get me some chairs.
12:20Come here.
12:20I'll tell you how interesting this is, shall I?
12:22Oh, yeah.
12:22The silent twins, Ashley and Chrissy.
12:25Is that right?
12:26Yes, that's right.
12:27A couple of quick questions before I read their statements.
12:30Why didn't they go into care?
12:33Because they were good kids.
12:35Oh, right.
12:36So they say, my sister Sammy, says Ashley, is the only sibling I don't get along with.
12:40She was abusive to me as a child and used to lash out all the time.
12:43I'm not surprised.
12:44I just added that.
12:44When I came out as gay, she didn't approve my lifestyle.
12:47That was a hard time for me.
12:48She made things worse.
12:49As far as I'm concerned, until she sorts her life out, stops the lies and starts becoming
12:53more accepting, I don't want anything to do with her.
12:54No mention of you.
12:55And interestingly, why isn't Ashley here?
12:58The only people who are supporting you aren't damn well here.
13:01Isn't that interesting?
13:02And Chrissy, is that right, your sister?
13:03Yeah.
13:03Sammy Lee used to be a prostitute.
13:05She was chatting men up on my computer and asking them to come around to pay for sex.
13:08I've since banned her from my house.
13:10My mum isn't perfect.
13:11She made a load of mistakes, but she's tried hard to keep Sammy on the right track.
13:15I don't have anything to do with her anymore, and I don't want her back in my life.
13:18So these two are perfect, are they?
13:20Yeah.
13:21They're perfect, are they?
13:23Yeah.
13:23Are you perfect, because your daughter said you made mistakes?
13:26So we'll try a different tack, shall we, super mum?
13:28What mistakes did you make?
13:30Come on.
13:31I used to drink.
13:32How did you?
13:32Did you ever beat your daughter?
13:34No.
13:34How much?
13:36Quite a bit.
13:37Oh, did you?
13:37So you're an alcoholic?
13:38No, not at all.
13:39So how would you know if you drank a lot?
13:41Any chance that if you drank one night so much, you did something to your kid that you
13:45don't remember, because you drank too much?
13:47I don't drink anymore.
13:48What about the night she told you she was being sexually abused by a person that wasn't a family member?
13:52You don't mean nothing to me.
13:53You're not a mother.
13:54You're a selfish, self-centred failure of a parent, and that child is living proof of
14:00how a kid can be messed up.
14:01She's had some hard times, but she's got a genuinely nice person who doesn't need to
14:05look out for her, and does.
14:06And do you not think that should be you?
14:08But no, no, no, because it's too hard for you, isn't it?
14:10Because you were too busy getting drunk and playing God with your kids' lives.
14:14And do you know why she's smiling?
14:15Because nobody's ever spoken to you like this, because somebody should have done it about 25 years
14:19ago, because you know what's wrong, society, is people like you are allowed to have kids.
14:23It's wrong.
14:27I have been here.
14:29How old are you?
14:3025.
14:31I have been on this stage for 10 years, and this kid's been trying to drag your sorry
14:35backside here for eight years.
14:37Why haven't you come in the last eight years?
14:39Scared of the truth?
14:40Because I didn't want to come on here.
14:42Really?
14:42Why is that?
14:43Too busy working?
14:45No.
14:45I'm trying to get a job.
14:47How old are you?
14:4855.
14:48Well, I hope you succeed at some point, because you failed as a parent.
14:52Eight years for her to get you on here.
14:53All she wants is answers from you, and your response is, you're dead.
14:58Why did you come, if that's what you think of your kid?
15:01Because I don't want nothing more to do with her.
15:03I'm happy.
15:04Can you buy that?
15:04You're happy?
15:05It's all about you, is it?
15:06No, I'm happy now.
15:07She's right.
15:08People are like, you shouldn't be allowed to have children.
15:10I'm happy now.
15:11I'm getting on.
15:11Oh, you're happy.
15:12Yes.
15:12So everybody's happy.
15:13Why are you happy?
15:14And I don't, I just don't want nothing to do with her.
15:16Kirsty, talk to me about this girl and the difficulties that she's had.
15:19She has a really, really hard life.
15:22Are you a decent mum?
15:23I am, yeah.
15:24I'm not perfect.
15:25Nobody is.
15:26Do you feel sorry for this girl?
15:27Yeah.
15:28I find myself in a position I've been in before, but maybe I'm getting softer at my old age.
15:34Said it this morning, said it before.
15:36Surely a lot of what we are is what we see and what we learn.
15:40I believe she was sexually abused.
15:41I believe that you passed the buck very quickly by putting her into care.
15:46I don't believe you went to visit her, and I believe that you are an absolute living example
15:50of somebody who is responsible for what happened to this girl.
15:52And all you do to hide your guilt is shout and scream and swear and just say to her,
15:58get out my life.
15:59Do you know what I'm going to do?
16:00I'm going to make sure that every resource of this show supports Kirsty and her so that
16:05she can get her life back on track.
16:07Because if she had to rely on something like you, she'll get nowhere, will she?
16:11Can I give you some advice?
16:12Yeah.
16:13I think, I've never been in the position myself, but I think sometimes people chase answers
16:16and they put their own life on hold.
16:18By anybody's standards, you've had a terrible time, and by anybody's standards, I respect
16:22you for City, much as this audience do.
16:24But let me tell you something.
16:26Don't waste any more energy chasing that.
16:28Because you'll never get answers.
16:29And I'll tell you something else I want to say with her help as well, because she'll be
16:32brilliant for you.
16:33Yeah.
16:34Don't use what happened to you as an excuse to do what that did.
16:37No, I wouldn't dare.
16:38Turn it on its head and make something of your life.
16:41And when you do, you'll be a success.
16:43Yeah.
16:44I really appreciate you coming on.
16:45It's all right.
16:45You okay?
16:46Yeah, I'm fine.
16:47You all right?
16:48Yeah.
16:48How good was she, ladies and gentlemen?
16:49Do you want to go?
16:49Give them a round of applause.
16:55Unbelievable.
16:56How do people like that ever get kids?
16:57I hope that girl with our help can turn her life around.
17:00She deserves it.
17:00Good luck to her.
17:01We'll keep you updated.
17:01Let's continue with my next guest today, Chelsea.
17:03She was here to prove to her partner, Chris, that she's not cheated by taking a lie detector
17:07test, but check this.
17:08She's already taken and passed two private lie detector tests in the past few months,
17:12and that apparently isn't enough for him.
17:13She says this is the third and final time she'll take one.
17:16She wants the accusations to stop, or else she says, I'll take my daughter, and I will
17:20walk away, because I am sick to death of you disbelieving me.
17:24Chelsea is on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
17:26That way.
17:29Hello, Chelsea.
17:32Thank you for coming back.
17:34You know what the first question's going to be?
17:36How long have you been with Chris?
17:3713 months.
17:38Poor you.
17:40You've been in a relationship with a man for 13 months.
17:42You have a child together.
17:43Eby Louise, three months of age.
17:44You understand the importance.
17:46This man has already made you do two private lie detector tests.
17:50Why is that not enough?
17:51He just doesn't believe him.
17:52Why don't you tell him to shove it where the sun don't shine and run off into the sunset
17:55with his best mate?
17:56Because, frankly, he must be the biggest pain in the backside ever.
17:59Why are you with him?
18:00Because I love him.
18:01I think he loves you when he accuses you.
18:04No.
18:04Is this a...
18:05I just wanted to...
18:06Oh, my God.
18:08This is a guy who...
18:10Does he take drugs?
18:13Yeah, he has done.
18:14Yeah.
18:15What drugs did you take or do you take?
18:19Talking to you.
18:20Wake up.
18:21Smell the coffee.
18:22Do you take drugs?
18:22I don't...
18:23No, I don't.
18:24I've quit.
18:24What?
18:25I've quit.
18:26When did you quit?
18:28Well, I quit like seven years ago, but...
18:31What were you taking?
18:32Cannabis.
18:33I've just got a little idea while I'm talking to her.
18:36Why don't you start this process of making this better by going off with Graham and doing
18:39a drugs test?
18:40He's on the way around.
18:41Go and do a drugs test now so that when you come out, I can prove that you're clear.
18:44Is that all right?
18:45Yeah, that's fine.
18:46All right.
18:46You go and do that.
18:46Lose the picture.
18:47I don't want to see him for a moment.
18:48Right.
18:50So, this relationship, you say, it's a...
18:52It started out great.
18:54I love this.
18:54Ready for this?
18:55My relationship with Chris started out great until about a month in.
19:00So, 12 months to the 13 have been a nightmare.
19:03Yeah.
19:03Why?
19:04What does he do?
19:04Listen to this.
19:05Check my phone, Facebook, calls me every time I'm out with my friends, thinks that he's
19:14been in and out of jobs because he thinks that I'm at home sleeping with someone else.
19:20So, he doesn't go to work but comes home to check whether you're having sex with the
19:24gardener or something, yeah?
19:25Are you?
19:26No.
19:27Doesn't he...
19:27I'm sorry about this, by the way.
19:29He checks my underwear.
19:31Yeah.
19:35He gets up in the night to see where I am.
19:38Yeah.
19:38Or when you'll be next to him.
19:40No, say if I go for a wee, he'll wake up and he'll...
19:47What, do you think you're in the back garden having sex with a neighbour?
19:49Or I've let someone in.
19:50You've let someone in.
19:52Yeah.
19:53He...
19:56Um, this lie detector test, you said to him, I'll go and do one privately.
20:01You passed it.
20:02Yeah.
20:02That wasn't enough.
20:04No.
20:04And you sit there and you say, I love him.
20:06Yeah.
20:06But does he love you by accusing him the whole time?
20:08And then you went and did another one.
20:09Yeah.
20:10And you passed that.
20:11Yeah.
20:11And now you're on the Jeremy Kyle show.
20:12Yeah.
20:13Can I make a suggestion to you?
20:14Um, let's say you passed this test today.
20:17Yeah.
20:17Why on earth are you putting up with this?
20:19Do you honestly tell me that you think this man would change?
20:23Because this is in his head.
20:24Unless he gets help.
20:25For what?
20:26For paranoia.
20:27For being weird.
20:28What?
20:28Paranoia.
20:30Paranoia?
20:30Yeah.
20:31See, I'm supposed to deal with...
20:32I'm just being straight.
20:33Yeah.
20:33I'm supposed to hear everybody can check.
20:35Isn't the last time you split up because you dared to go out for a night?
20:39No, I was with my friends for the day.
20:42And he thought that I was with someone else.
20:44Sleeping with someone else.
20:45You went out with your friends for the day and he thought you were having sex with somebody else.
20:49So you split up with him.
20:50So today, this is brilliant.
20:53I just want to share this.
20:53This doesn't get the biggest laugh ever in the history of the Jeremy Kyle show.
20:58He says, I bet you any money if she passes Jeremy Kyle's lie detector, it's because she had sex with
21:04the examiner and he passed her.
21:13That's not normal, is it?
21:14I mean, I've seen the lie detector examiner, do you know what I mean?
21:17And nobody is going to want to sleep with him.
21:20Now, interestingly, just to flip it, right, you, and I really like this, you see, because these sort of stories,
21:26they sort of make my brain start working.
21:29You say, it might be drugs or he might be basically hiding something himself.
21:36So you have asked him to do a lie detector test.
21:40Yeah.
21:40So let's say you pass for the third time and all of this insecurity control is a front and he's
21:46a liar.
21:47What happens then?
21:48I'm gone.
21:50You look very calm.
21:51Why are you calm?
21:52It's like you know what's going to happen.
21:54I don't know.
21:55I think you're great.
21:55I can't wait to meet him.
21:56So next, the suspicious partner who basically gets up in the middle of the night and follows her if she
22:00goes to the toilet.
22:01I add to that that he actually believes during the lie detector test, the results of which you'll get next,
22:06she actually had sex with our lie detector examiner.
22:09I can't put a picture of him up on screen, but trust me, that will never happen.
22:13I'm right back after this break.
22:15You've given up jobs because you think she's at home having sex with men.
22:18Yeah.
22:19Isn't the fact that this wonderful woman gave you that child enough?
22:23Paranoid, you know.
22:24We asked Chelsea, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
22:27Your girlfriend and the mother of your three-month-old baby said no.
22:29Do you know why she said no?
22:31Oh!
22:38Do you not want your girlfriend to know the truth?
22:41Go on, that's it.
22:41Go on, mate.
22:42Wait, what if she cheated on you?
22:43How would you feel about that?
22:44I'd still love her.
22:46What's the truth?
22:46Give me those lie detector results.
22:48Since the start of your relationship with Arnie, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
22:51You said no.
22:51Why'd you say no?
22:53I'm not telling the truth.
22:56Tess says your future wife's a liar, mate, eh?
23:01Did you cheat, Summer?
23:04Are you going to pass?
23:05Yes.
23:05You look as guilty as sin.
23:07When the test was being taken, you actually wrestled with the examiner and tried to nick a bottle of vodka
23:13from the minibar.
23:15Tess says you're going to finish.
23:21Tess says your future wife's a liar, mate.
23:24Tess says your future wife's a liar, mate.
23:31Thank you very much. Welcome back for the break.
23:33We've met Chelsea. He's been in a relationship with Chris for 13 months.
23:36The first four weeks was great. The last 12 months have been a nightmare.
23:38He's a control freak. He checks up on you. He checks your underwear.
23:41He doesn't let you go out with your friends.
23:42If you go for a wee in the middle of the night, he follows you.
23:45This is a man who used to smoke cannabis. He's done a drugs test during the break.
23:49And interestingly, you say, and I like this, I think he must be up to no good,
23:52which is why I've asked him to do a lie detector test as well.
23:55He's here, ladies and gentlemen.
23:55He probably thinks that you and I have been at it.
24:03Let's get Chris on the Jeremy Kyle show.
24:12I'm so sorry. We were busy when you were having the drugs test.
24:16You all right? Yeah, I'm good.
24:18Why are you destroying this girl's life?
24:21You get up in the middle of the night if she goes to the toilet?
24:24I've never done that.
24:25So she's making that up?
24:27Well, I've never got up. This is only because I lived a week, a couple of weeks back.
24:30Have you ever checked her underwear?
24:32No.
24:33Speak up then, Chelsea's saying you're not telling the truth.
24:36I think I've done it a couple of times, but...
24:38You have done it then?
24:39Yeah, but it's not like I've actually... I've only glanced over it.
24:42Brilliant.
24:42And you've given up jobs because you think she's at home having sex with men.
24:47Yeah.
24:47Why?
24:48It's just, er... I'm paranoid, you know.
24:51Why are you paranoid?
24:52You've been dumped on before?
24:53Er, yeah.
24:53Or do you think it's the paranoia from the drugs that you smoke?
24:56No, it's just, er...
24:57Stroke smoke.
24:58What?
24:59I don't know.
24:59It's happened to me a few times.
25:01Paranoia will annoy her.
25:02In the end, everybody will think you're a freak and run in the opposite direction.
25:04You cannot be like this.
25:05This is not how the world works.
25:06She doesn't believe you now.
25:09Yeah.
25:09What do you mean, yeah?
25:10No, that's why I'm here to prove my innocence.
25:12So, but she's already done two tests.
25:16Yeah, I know, but, erm...
25:18I've actually found stuff.
25:18So what happens if she...
25:19What?
25:20I've actually found stuff.
25:21I found a Johnny, a condom wrapper.
25:22A what?
25:23A condom wrapper I found.
25:24A condom wrapper I used.
25:26I'm not used.
25:27I found in a...
25:27Sorry, sorry.
25:28Let's just rewind.
25:30You found...
25:30You...
25:31This is very personal.
25:33So you use condoms when you're having sex.
25:36Yeah.
25:36Right.
25:37And you found a what?
25:38Well, basically, I found a condom wrapper,
25:40which we hadn't used for about two months,
25:42in a living room,
25:43like, which was in there before.
25:45Did you use that condom?
25:47You did?
25:48In the lounge?
25:48Yeah.
25:50And, erm...
25:50You can't be married.
25:51It fell down the side of the sofa.
25:53No, it was on the shelf, wasn't it?
25:55It fell down the side of the sofa.
25:57I picked it out of the sofa,
25:58just put it on my shelf,
25:59and didn't put it in the bin.
26:01Right.
26:02No, but this was two months later.
26:03Have you cheated on her?
26:05No.
26:05Do you believe that she has cheated on you?
26:08Because my question, quite seriously,
26:09because there is a child involved in all of this,
26:11Evie Louise,
26:12and there is your baby.
26:14Have a look.
26:15Three months of age.
26:16What does she mean to you?
26:19I think...
26:19Isn't the fact that this wonderful woman
26:21gave you that child enough?
26:22Do you not believe...
26:23No, I do believe her,
26:24but it's just that also,
26:26erm...
26:26I'll stay around to her,
26:27er...
26:28I'll stay around to hers every weekend,
26:29and one weekend I come over,
26:31and the bed was broken.
26:32The bed was broken?
26:33It was pretty...
26:33You went round to her house one weekend,
26:35and the bed was broken?
26:36Yeah, because I used to say that over the weekend,
26:37and then...
26:38Why did the bed get broken?
26:39Was it the man with the condom wrapper
26:40who came upstairs,
26:41took it off the shelf,
26:42and jumped up and down
26:42doing some trampolining?
26:43What happened?
26:44No, it was...
26:45Before we met,
26:46it was already broken.
26:48When are you going to acknowledge
26:49that this is your problem,
26:50not hers?
26:51I already have.
26:52That's why I've come in here.
26:52Have you?
26:53We didn't do the test result.
26:54What are we going to do,
26:55the drugs test first,
26:55or the lie detector?
26:57Ladies and gentlemen,
26:58this is a massive announcement.
26:59He was clear of every single drug
27:01on his drugs test.
27:02Yes!
27:05Good, well done.
27:06Right.
27:09Have you got a futon?
27:11No.
27:11OK, let's start as we mean to go.
27:13Let's start with you, Chelsea.
27:14You've already done two
27:14private lie detector tests.
27:15You passed both.
27:16Why didn't you believe those two?
27:18No, I believed the second one I did.
27:20Why am I doing this one, then?
27:22No, because we broke up
27:24a couple of weeks back.
27:26You went round and the washing machine
27:27was broken, what?
27:28It's since the test,
27:30since the second one.
27:31Do you think you can carry on like this,
27:33or do you think in the end
27:33you'll drive everybody nuts?
27:35We asked Chelsea,
27:36this is the Jeremy Kyle show
27:38lie detector.
27:38Since your last lie detector,
27:40Tuesday, I'm joking,
27:41have you had sexual intercourse
27:42with anyone else?
27:43Your girlfriend and the mother
27:44of your three-month-old baby
27:45said no.
27:46Do you know why she said no?
27:47I was telling the truth.
27:52Well, Chelsea,
27:54since your last lie detector,
27:55have you had sexual contact
27:56with anyone else?
27:57She said no,
27:58because of course,
27:58again,
27:59because she was telling the truth.
28:05Since your last lie detector,
28:07have you passionately kissed
28:07anyone else?
28:08She said no.
28:08Do you watch this show?
28:10Yeah.
28:10Which is very nice of you,
28:11but go and get a job,
28:12because your girlfriend
28:12got a full house.
28:13Give her a round of applause.
28:20I know you're not the most
28:21demonstrative.
28:22I'm waiting.
28:23I'm sorry.
28:26What was it that first
28:27sold him to you?
28:30Dynamic conversation.
28:32Now, interestingly,
28:33you thought maybe
28:34he was up to no good,
28:35which is where
28:35the paranoia comes from.
28:37Were you a bit offended
28:37to ask to do a lie detector?
28:38Why are you biting your nails?
28:39Are you nervous?
28:40Yeah, a little bit.
28:41Why?
28:42Nothing, I'll tell you.
28:43Going to pass this?
28:44Yeah.
28:45Definitely.
28:46100%.
28:47Do you think he's going to pass it?
28:48I'm not too sure.
28:50Since the start
28:51of your relationship
28:52with Chelsea,
28:52have you passionately kissed
28:53anyone else,
28:54I asked Chris,
28:54the man who spent 13 months
28:56convinced that his girlfriend
28:57is up to no good.
28:58You said no.
28:58Why did you say no?
28:59Tentive.
29:00You're a liar, pal, aren't you?
29:02Oh, well,
29:03no reaction again,
29:04Mr Exciting.
29:05Let's just let that sink in.
29:07Three lie detector tests
29:08and a load of old grief
29:09from a beautiful girl
29:09who gave you
29:10a three-month-old baby
29:11and you've been mithering her
29:12for years
29:13and you failed the first one
29:14about kissing
29:15and no reaction from you
29:16since the start
29:17of your relationship
29:17with Chelsea,
29:18if you had sexual contact
29:19with anyone else,
29:20he said no.
29:21The test said he lied
29:21on that question as well,
29:23Chelsea.
29:24What'd you say?
29:25No.
29:25Oh, this is my favourite bit.
29:28So you're aware
29:28he failed every single question,
29:30including sexual intercourse.
29:32Well, no, that is true.
29:32I haven't actually...
29:33So the test...
29:34Just wait.
29:34The test's wrong.
29:35Yeah.
29:37But hers is right.
29:38Look, that genuinely is wrong.
29:40I've not slept with anyone else.
29:41I don't believe you.
29:41I believe you're a control freak
29:43and a bully
29:43who's made her life
29:44a complete misery
29:45to cover your own sad tracks.
29:47No, but I've never actually
29:47slept with anyone else, so...
29:48So something happened?
29:49Yeah, I've kissed someone.
29:52No, but she already knows that.
29:53If you go to the test
29:54and you lie,
29:55you know exactly what will happen.
29:56You had sexual contact as well,
29:57didn't you?
29:57No.
29:58You sure about that?
29:59You're a liar.
29:59You've just backtracked
30:00and said that you kissed someone.
30:01All you've done
30:02is make her life a misery
30:03and the truth of the matter
30:04is you're the liar.
30:05But I'm not lying
30:06because all I've done
30:07is kiss someone
30:07and I've told her that.
30:09No, you said they kissed you
30:10and you moved away.
30:12Yeah, that's right.
30:12Is that why you're so paranoid
30:13that somebody get your girlfriend?
30:15I'm not, though.
30:16You love him, though, don't you?
30:18Yeah.
30:18And it will be all right.
30:21Darling,
30:23you've had 12 months
30:24of being mithered.
30:25Your phone checked,
30:26your dignity stripped away.
30:27That's not normal.
30:28And what happens?
30:29It's him who's a liar.
30:31I know that you've got
30:32a child with him
30:32and I understand
30:35that people want
30:36to make things work
30:36and if you want to do that,
30:37that's great,
30:38we'll help you.
30:39But I'll tell you something.
30:40You shouldn't feel trapped by that.
30:43Nothing to say?
30:45You're going to twist
30:46around your little finger?
30:47I've seen this
30:47so a million times
30:48but I know for a fact
30:49that that is.
30:51What, you've seen men
30:51cheating on their girlfriends
30:52and being found out?
30:53I've seen this
30:54so a million times
30:54but I know that I haven't cheated
30:56so I know that it is actually wrong.
30:58So the test's wrong then, yeah?
31:00It is, yeah.
31:01Well, you'd be able
31:01to talk her down
31:02and get her back then,
31:02wouldn't you?
31:03Yeah, hopefully.
31:04Yeah, great.
31:06I haven't slept for anyone,
31:07though.
31:07I've told her I said...
31:07The only reason you...
31:08Neither has she
31:09and she's done three of them
31:11at a time
31:11when she should be being made
31:13to feel brilliant
31:13because she's got a young baby.
31:15Yeah.
31:16Poor you.
31:17It's all about you, isn't it?
31:18Being accused of something
31:19that you haven't done.
31:20Does that sound familiar, mate,
31:21or what?
31:22Yeah, no, but I didn't ask
31:23for this fat test.
31:25Yes, you did.
31:26Well, listen, darling,
31:27it's your choice.
31:27A lot of people would stay together
31:29and I understand that
31:29for the sake of the child.
31:31There also comes a point
31:32where you have to think
31:32about yourself
31:33and I think you're worth
31:34a lot more than the way
31:34he treats you.
31:35I wish you the best of luck.
31:37You all right, me?
31:38Shaking a hand or what?
31:39Yeah?
31:46Good luck to them.
31:47I think they might need it.
31:48Now, you might remember
31:48my next guest today,
31:49Shirley,
31:50from a previous encounter.
31:51Take a look at this,
31:52my friends.
31:53This is the mother
31:54who's no better,
31:55Shirley,
31:55ladies and gentlemen.
32:02I brought my children up,
32:04not you,
32:04okay, darling?
32:06Right?
32:06And you know that you did help,
32:07I know you did
32:08because I had an abusive
32:10relationship
32:10of this
32:13I did not hang you
32:14out of the side.
32:15So she's a liar, yeah?
32:15Yeah, she was going,
32:17she was going near the window.
32:18Shame on you.
32:19Going near the windows,
32:20right?
32:21And I was afraid
32:22that she was going to fall out
32:23of the back of the road.
32:25So the way you teach me
32:27is hang me out of the head first.
32:29My daughter took my back of the doors.
32:30She goes near my window
32:31all the time.
32:32My front door,
32:33I won't hang her out the window.
32:35I didn't hang you out the window.
32:36Your daughter did do the job.
32:39Now, since then,
32:40Shirley claims that things
32:41have taken a turn for worse
32:42and her daughter,
32:42Stacey,
32:43is now making her life
32:44a complete misery.
32:45She says that Stacey
32:45has stopped her seeing
32:46a grandchild
32:47and she's been getting
32:47nothing but abuse
32:48from her own daughter.
32:49She said enough.
32:50She's here to tell Stacey,
32:51I am ready to disown you
32:52for good.
32:52Strong words and a big day
32:53for this lady.
32:54Who felt last time
32:55she didn't get a chance
32:56to put aside
32:56she will today.
32:57Shirley is on the
32:58Jeremy Kyle show.
32:59That way.
33:09How are you?
33:11Fine.
33:13On the show last time,
33:15your daughter,
33:15Stacey and Sophie,
33:17who is in the audience,
33:18welcome back,
33:20were quite dismissive
33:22of you and quite rude
33:25about your abilities
33:26as a mother.
33:28Sophie went to live
33:29with Stacey,
33:31but a month after the show,
33:33left her sister
33:34and is actually now here
33:35today with other stuff
33:37to say,
33:38but we'll start with you,
33:38Shirley.
33:39Why are you back,
33:39darling?
33:40Um,
33:42well,
33:42since the last show,
33:43you know,
33:44obviously I was
33:46made to be
33:47the bad parent.
33:48Shut up,
33:49she's having a say.
33:51I never dangled
33:52my daughter
33:52from the window.
33:53That was an accusation.
33:54Yes,
33:55I never done that.
33:56What?
33:57You tell my team
33:58I'm here today
33:59to tell the world
33:59what my daughter's
34:00really like.
34:01Yes,
34:02um,
34:02she's abusive,
34:04she calls us names,
34:06she'll stop us
34:07from seeing me
34:07granddaughter now.
34:09It's one minute
34:09I can see her,
34:10then I can't,
34:11then I can't,
34:12then I can't.
34:13Um...
34:13My mother,
34:14why would I let you
34:15see me granddaughter
34:16and me daughter anymore?
34:17Can you do me a favour,
34:18right?
34:18Can I speak to your mother
34:20who didn't get a say?
34:21And I don't care
34:22whether you like this or not.
34:23Run away until I'm ready
34:24to speak to you.
34:25Go.
34:26Aye,
34:26but it's called Shirley,
34:27not me mother.
34:30And you're called Stacey
34:31and by the end of this
34:32she might not want you
34:33to be her daughter.
34:34Go on.
34:35Sorry,
34:35where was I,
34:36Jeremy?
34:36Sorry.
34:36You were saying
34:37that you've tried,
34:38you've been called
34:38some terrible things.
34:39Yes,
34:40I've tried throughout
34:41the years,
34:42especially since
34:42she's been married.
34:44This is to Paul?
34:45Yes.
34:47I've had her phone
34:48me constantly
34:49during the night
34:51or early hours
34:52of the morning.
34:52Come,
34:53please come,
34:54mum,
34:55I need you here.
34:56I tell my team
34:56her and Paul's
34:57relationship is a joke,
34:58they hit each other,
34:59they're lazy
34:59and you've had to
35:01call the police.
35:02What's she like
35:03as a mother?
35:06She's a good mum
35:07in some ways.
35:08What,
35:09smoking?
35:09Well,
35:09isn't it true
35:10that Sophie,
35:10and I'm allowed
35:11to say this,
35:11am I,
35:12I know you're 16
35:13so we have to ask
35:14if you're happy
35:15to talk?
35:16Yeah,
35:16I am,
35:16yeah.
35:16Tell this audience
35:17why you left
35:18your sister's house
35:19a month after the show.
35:22Thanks.
35:23Well,
35:24she has buckets
35:26from the minute
35:27she wakes up
35:27to...
35:28She has what?
35:29Buckets,
35:29it's green
35:32and...
35:32Oh,
35:33smoking weed,
35:33I'm getting rid of this.
35:34Yeah,
35:34cannabis,
35:35yeah.
35:35She's having a bucket,
35:36just walking around
35:36with buckets.
35:38Strong weed,
35:39is it true
35:39that she saw it
35:40being smoked
35:41by both of them
35:42around the child
35:42and you didn't
35:43want anything
35:43to do with it?
35:44Paul doesn't smoke
35:45it anymore,
35:45used to.
35:46I've smoked it for six years
35:47so I don't know
35:48how you can say that
35:49so she just said
35:50you have.
35:50But your sister has?
35:52Yeah,
35:52she smokes it all the time.
35:53Can I ask you
35:54the obvious question?
35:55Why were you
35:56against your mother
35:57last time
35:58with your sister?
35:58I have to ask that.
36:00Yeah.
36:00Last time
36:00I came on
36:02I came on
36:03to confront me father
36:05which I know
36:06I can't speak about.
36:06I wasn't against me,
36:08mum.
36:08Me and me mum
36:09didn't get on
36:09because
36:10when we're together
36:1124-7
36:12we felt like a cat and dog.
36:13like any mother
36:14like daughter do
36:15living with me mum.
36:17No it's not.
36:18Are you going to
36:18defend your mother today?
36:20Yeah,
36:20definitely.
36:22Like it's
36:23stopping,
36:23she's stopping
36:24as I'm seeing my niece
36:25and she's stopping
36:25Sophie come down.
36:27Your mum wants you
36:28to sit with her
36:28would you do that?
36:29I want to wait
36:29until she comes out
36:30just to see what she says
36:31to mum.
36:32Right, okay
36:32you run the show
36:33it sounds like your show.
36:34Right,
36:34Stacey's back
36:35on the Jeremy Carr show
36:36are you alright?
36:48You don't need that,
36:49you don't need them.
36:50Why do I not?
36:51She bought these splints
36:52from Key Cots.
36:54You smoke dope
36:54around your child.
36:56No,
36:56definitely not.
36:56Can I tell you why
36:57I had to buy them?
36:58Because they don't
36:59give them
37:00to people
37:01when they haven't been
37:02in hospital,
37:03right,
37:03when I needed them.
37:04people who don't need them.
37:06You do not need them.
37:07I'm not sure
37:07I haven't got
37:08carbon.
37:08You do not need them.
37:09Do you see this?
37:09I'll give her that.
37:10At my ward,
37:11at my cupboard.
37:12No, I didn't.
37:13You told my team
37:14my mum hanged me
37:15out of a window
37:16as a child.
37:17She threatened me
37:17with a belt,
37:18she smashed my toys,
37:19she's called
37:19social services
37:20on me claiming
37:21I was feeding
37:21my child cannabis.
37:23I was the one
37:23that rang social services
37:24not me mum.
37:25It was four years.
37:26It was me.
37:26Why did you phone
37:27social services?
37:27Because my husband
37:29beats her up constantly.
37:30My brothers,
37:30my brothers came,
37:32which I like,
37:33lots of people came.
37:34to beat you?
37:35No.
37:35So you didn't
37:36hold a name for
37:37a few months ago?
37:39My husband has
37:40a sleeping condition.
37:41No, he doesn't.
37:42I came back
37:42and I just had a
37:43sleeping condition.
37:45That doesn't mean
37:46he should beat you up,
37:47should it?
37:47No, the sleeping condition
37:49is where he's been
37:50in the hospital
37:51where he's had
37:51proofs on his head.
37:52What's that got to do
37:53with beating you up?
37:54He doesn't beat me up.
37:55Yes, he does.
37:56What's the sleeping condition?
37:56He doesn't mean it to me up.
37:58So, can you come down here?
38:00Can you get a chair, please?
38:01Sophie's on the show.
38:02Give her a round of applause.
38:03She's on the show.
38:09She left your house
38:11because she said
38:12you're a nightmare.
38:13No, no, no.
38:15I've tried plenty of times,
38:16time and time again,
38:18to help you
38:18and help you
38:19and help you.
38:19All of us spoil you.
38:20Excuse me.
38:22Excuse me.
38:23No, I'll actually
38:24help you.
38:25Excuse me.
38:27My home.
38:28My home.
38:29People have always
38:30helped you.
38:31A 16th birthday.
38:33She took down.
38:34She went out.
38:36Stacy wanted to leave
38:38because she wanted to do
38:40things on her own.
38:41Yeah.
38:42Okay?
38:42Really?
38:43Can I?
38:44Hey, shut up.
38:44Shut up.
38:46Shut up.
38:46Shut up.
38:47Your mother last time
38:49was painted,
38:49she says unfairly,
38:50by you and your sister.
38:51Isn't it quite ironic
38:52that you and your sister
38:53now don't get on?
38:54Maybe the person
38:55in the centre of all this
38:56is you.
38:56No.
38:58Really?
38:58No.
38:59Really.
39:00Why don't you listen
39:01to your mother?
39:02Come on then,
39:04Mother.
39:04You won't let me
39:05see my grandchild.
39:06One minute I can see
39:08out the next minute I can.
39:09If I had to dangle,
39:10if I had dangled you
39:11out of the window,
39:12why on earth
39:14will you let me
39:15have my grandchild?
39:16Yeah, that's a good...
39:16Yeah, come on.
39:17Answer that.
39:18Come on,
39:18if she had done
39:19what you said she did,
39:20why would she leave
39:20her child with her?
39:21Answer it.
39:22Bye.
39:23Answer it.
39:24I'll come and get a move
39:25on going all day
39:26in September.
39:27I'll take you mudgey.
39:28No, dear.
39:29Who has...
39:33Liar!
39:34When was a baby?
39:36Mum, it's my daughter.
39:38I found it difficult,
39:40right?
39:40Now, with my ill health,
39:42as you'll see,
39:43they haven't got any
39:43disabilities.
39:44OK, I haven't.
39:45What's your husband called?
39:46Paul.
39:47Right, so basically,
39:48now, not only is your
39:49mother a nightmare,
39:50your sister's a nightmare.
39:51No, she's...
39:52You and Paul have the perfect...
39:53Has Paul ever beaten you up?
39:55Right, we've had...
39:57Has Paul ever beaten you up?
39:59There's been physical
40:00between...
40:01Well, yeah,
40:01but...
40:01Have you ever then...
40:02Oh, there he is.
40:03Look.
40:03We separate it.
40:04Have you ever then told
40:05your mother and your sister
40:06about that?
40:07Yes, yes.
40:07Wait, Abe.
40:09If you think...
40:09Where do we come?
40:10Will you turn that
40:11and you're crying in your eyes?
40:12Have you ever told...
40:13Have you actually talked?
40:14Right, well, I'm going to break
40:15because next to the man
40:16that's been accused
40:17of beating you up his ear.
40:18Those two say,
40:19actually,
40:20you paint a very unfair picture
40:21of Shirley,
40:22your sister Sophie
40:23backs it up,
40:24you two take drugs
40:26and not good with your kids
40:27and fight the whole time
40:28and back next.
40:29Paul's on next.
40:29Don't go anywhere.
40:30I'm right back.
40:31Thanks.
40:32Do you smoke drugs
40:33around your child?
40:34Does your wife smoke...
40:35Yeah, Stacey smoked drugs.
40:37Around the child.
40:38No, never around the child.
40:39You liar!
40:40You liar!
40:41Why are you white?
40:42Have I still got my baby
40:43to this day?
40:44All right.
40:45I've got no idea
40:46if you're smoking drugs
40:47around your child,
40:48you shouldn't have
40:49in the first place,
40:50should you?
40:50Leave it, laddie!
40:51Leave it, laddie!
41:01Please tell me
41:02there's nobody else
41:03in the frame.
41:04There is nobody else.
41:05The DNA test results
41:06show that Doug
41:07is not the child's
41:08biological father.
41:10How can that be?
41:13Why are you 100% sure?
41:14Keith's not got
41:15very good swingers.
41:19How sure are you?
41:20100%.
41:21100%.
41:21100%.
41:22100%.
41:23I am 1,000% sure
41:25she's not my daughter.
41:29Keith is the father
41:30of your baby.
41:31Thank you!
41:32You're not the child's
41:33biological.
41:34There's no way!
41:35She'll stay away!
41:38You are her biological.
41:45It's not your baby,
41:47my friend.
41:48That is your daughter!
41:51You might know
41:51he's done that yet!
41:53Keith needs loving
41:55by both parents.
41:58Every child should know
41:59who his father is.
42:00Bye-bye,
42:01bye-bye,
42:01bye-bye,
42:01bye!
42:02Bye!
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42:43Welcome back for the break.
42:44Speaking to Shirley
42:45and Stacey and Sophie.
42:46Now, your husband's Paul.
42:48Yeah.
42:48Their accusation is,
42:50certainly from your mother,
42:51I've done everything I can.
42:52This woman will phone me
42:53a moment.
42:54He's beaten me up.
42:54Their relationship ain't great.
42:55There's drugs
42:56as a young kid
42:56and you keep using
42:58the child as a weapon.
42:59Paul is on
43:00the Jeremy Carl show
43:01that way.
43:07You're the only one
43:08who booed?
43:09No, the cordial's booed
43:10actually, darling.
43:11Do you smoke drugs
43:12around your child?
43:12Does your wife smoke drugs?
43:14Yeah, Stacey's smoked drugs.
43:15Around the child?
43:16No, never.
43:18You liar!
43:18You liar!
43:20So Madison
43:21doesn't run in the back
43:22get you mad
43:22she's doing above it.
43:23Don't lie!
43:24No, she doesn't.
43:25Yes, she does.
43:25No, she's got it.
43:26Why or f***ing
43:27why or why?
43:29Why or why?
43:30Have I still got
43:31my baby to the stage?
43:33All right, have it.
43:34I've got no idea
43:34if you're smoking drugs
43:36around your child.
43:36You shouldn't have
43:37in the first place,
43:38should you?
43:39Here you go, Annie.
43:40Here you go,
43:41I'm going to go.
43:42Right, listen to me.
43:46Do you believe
43:49that your sister,
43:50who I consider
43:50to be the most
43:51intelligent person
43:52actually that I've
43:53met in a long time,
43:54do you think
43:54that she would
43:54at 16 have
43:56phoned social services
43:57unless she had
43:57real concerns?
43:58Do you honestly
43:59believe that you
43:59can answer the
44:00question your mother
44:01put to you
44:01because all you do
44:02is shout?
44:03Why on earth
44:03would apparently
44:04a woman who
44:05has a baby
44:06hung you out the window?
44:07Why would you
44:07let your child
44:08go anywhere near her?
44:09The reason I'm
44:10shouting is because
44:11the other lady's
44:11Answer the two
44:12questions.
44:13If a woman
44:14dangles you
44:15out the window,
44:15why would you
44:16let her near
44:16your precious baby?
44:18Right, two years
44:19ago I was
44:19paralysed for
44:20Gillian Barr
44:20syndrome.
44:21I needed her.
44:22I needed support.
44:24That's the only...
44:25Oh, it's all about
44:26you, isn't it?
44:27No, no.
44:27That's the only...
44:27I asked you to
44:28answer the question.
44:30You've seen it now.
44:30Do you know what
44:31she's done?
44:32I know what you've
44:33done.
44:34Had us all, haven't you?
44:35Can you let me...
44:36No, listen, Jeremy.
44:37Please, don't take drugs.
44:39Shirley, Shirley.
44:40She's admitted that she
44:41Oh, woe is me.
44:42Round Madison,
44:43she's never took drugs
44:44around Madison.
44:45Shh, shh, shh.
44:47One sec.
44:47Sorry, Jeremy.
44:48One sec.
44:49Talk.
44:50Don't do the drama,
44:51love, because I don't
44:52buy it with you anymore.
44:53I'm trying to hold
44:53my tears in.
44:54Oh, are you?
44:55You're doing a very good
44:55job.
44:56Yes.
44:56Carry on.
44:56Good, good, good.
44:57Talk to your mother.
44:58That's all you're like.
44:59Right.
45:01The thing is, I've tried to get
45:04away from her for years, and I
45:06get pulled back in.
45:07Why did your 16-year-old
45:09sister leave your house?
45:10Don't say a word.
45:11Simple answer.
45:12Why?
45:12Because she didn't like me
45:13telling my mum about her
45:14headphones being broke.
45:15Last time on this show, Sophie
45:16was with you, but she said
45:18that it was very unfair what
45:19was said about your mother.
45:21She gets pulled back in.
45:22The thing is, I've tried to get
45:23away for years, I get pulled
45:25back in and pulled back in.
45:26She's been pulled back in.
45:28So it's all about how
45:28difficult it's been for you,
45:29It was my choice.
45:30It was in without Kate.
45:31All the kids.
45:32So she had no way to move
45:32after leaving ours.
45:33That's why she moved back in
45:34with her mum.
45:35Yes, exactly.
45:36It was in without Kate.
45:37And me mum, there's never
45:37been working with her.
45:38Shirley, you moved back in
45:39with your mum.
45:39I want to hear from Shirley,
45:40nobody else.
45:41Why did she come here today?
45:42Why did I come here?
45:44I want a relationship with
45:47my granddaughter.
45:48I totally, totally cannot help
45:50Stacey anymore.
45:51I have tried for a long time.
45:53Do you know what I do?
45:54I think that's fair play
45:55and I don't usually say that.
45:58Obviously, Stacey and her
45:59husband are going to say
46:01you can't see the child.
46:02I'll tell you this, and I
46:03didn't think I'd finish this
46:04in this way, and I said my
46:05piece to you, and fair play
46:06to you for coming on.
46:07Thanks.
46:08The point is this, right?
46:10If you two genuinely have
46:12concerns about the well-being
46:13of this child, and it's not
46:15for me to say you should or
46:16you shouldn't, I'm making
46:17a suggestion, then you have
46:19to go back to social services
46:20or the relevant authorities if
46:22you're not prepared to
46:23feel that you can achieve
46:24from the inside and do
46:25something about it.
46:26And let me tell you
46:26something you might not
46:27like.
46:27Maybe they're being unfair.
46:28I don't think they are.
46:29And I think in hindsight,
46:30probably I was wrong the
46:31first time, and that
46:32happens quite a lot, I'm
46:33sure.
46:34Is your mother really a
46:35bad woman?
46:36Yes.
46:36You're wrong now, Jeremy.
46:37You haven't even let me
46:38talk.
46:38I think I got your mother
46:40wrong, and I think I
46:40definitely got you wrong.
46:41You haven't, Jeremy.
46:42You have no idea what
46:43she's lying.
46:44What am I?
46:44What am I going to do?
46:45Oi!
46:45Oi!
46:46I got you wrong because
46:47you beat her up.
46:47Shall I tell you why?
46:48No, I don't beat her up.
46:49Shall I tell you?
46:50No, I don't beat her up.
46:50Shall I tell you why?
46:51Shall I tell you why I
46:53think I got it wrong last
46:54time?
46:55Not because of her, and
46:56not because of her.
46:57Because I would buy what
46:58she would say a million
46:59times over, because this
47:00girl at 16 has got her
47:02head switched on far more
47:03than the three of you put
47:04together.
47:05And make sure you look
47:06after your child.
47:28Have a great night, day,
47:30whatever.
47:32Let's just go.
47:33Thanks for watching.
47:33See you soon.
47:34See you later.
47:35Bye.
47:35See you.
47:37I'm making it.