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00:02Well, she's jealous of our relationship
00:04He upgraded to me when he left her. She's pure evil and always tried to control it. Yeah, I'm perfect
00:10She needs to back off and sign the divorce papers. Oh, yeah, yeah
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10:16Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back. Before the break, sort of, I don't know,
10:19ex-friends who are now fighting over this man, Kerry and Mel.
10:22You were married to Dean for how long?
10:24Well, it would be three years, Tom, December.
10:26You say the violent relationship just disintegrated.
10:29We were both violent. He was a cheat.
10:31We argued. This lady was my friend.
10:33Imagine my horror, you say, when I kick this bloke out and all of a sudden
10:36a woman who I considered a friend is engaged to him.
10:38You met him, love of your life. Within nine weeks, you're engaged to a man who's still married
10:42and you're blaming her. Why are you blaming her? Help me out.
10:44She's jealousy. Talk to her.
10:48I'm jealousy, you. I'm lucky you.
10:51You fat.
10:53Yeah, right, okay. You just opened 24 hours a day.
10:58365 days a year.
10:59You fat, Ram. Get a life.
11:02Why don't you get a life? Get a life.
11:05So I'm guessing, I'm guessing, Dan, I don't know if you'd agree with this.
11:08You're not actually friends anymore, no?
11:09No.
11:10Right, okay. Let's get the man in the middle.
11:11This man can pull women like most people can pull pints.
11:13He's called Dean and he's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
11:22Come on.
11:23I don't want a divorce.
11:24You're going to...
11:25That's it.
11:26Always be a cheat.
11:26Show everybody what you are capable of.
11:28And she's better than you.
11:29That's it.
11:30Yeah.
11:31I'm happy to be that.
11:32You're not happy to be that.
11:34I'm right.
11:34Yeah, I want to be boss now.
11:36Sorry, he was watching.
11:37You're a big fan, mouse, please.
11:39He's back to me in public, lad.
11:41I'm right.
11:42Did you say he wasn't very good in bed?
11:43I'm right.
11:44He's not so.
11:45Do I?
11:46Yeah.
11:47He what?
11:48He's not so.
11:48Do I?
11:49I don't think so.
11:50I don't think so.
11:51I was going to, remember?
11:52I don't think so.
11:53No, yeah.
11:54I'm not like it.
11:55Look, it's stick to you.
11:56It's stick to you.
11:57It looks like you were going to be fine.
11:59Is it?
12:00Try.
12:01No.
12:02No.
12:02What's the matter?
12:03You've gone quiet all the sudden.
12:06Did you use.
12:07You can't go any tang, is it?
12:08Did you used to poo yourself?
12:10No.
12:11You liar!
12:12Whatever.
12:12You liar!
12:14Whatever.
12:15What the heck?
12:16You're an alcoholic.
12:17You're an alcoholic.
12:18Yeah.
12:19I'm an alcoholic.
12:20I don't even drink.
12:21You're a legend.
12:22I don't even drink.
12:23What was it?
12:24Oh.
12:25You can't make your names.
12:27That's my line.
12:31You're not allowed to name people.
12:33You're not allowed to name them.
12:35Do you want to drink?
12:36I'm free.
12:37I haven't got a job anymore.
12:40I'm going to leave my water.
12:41Sorry, are you an alcoholic?
12:43No.
12:43What?
12:44Sorry?
12:44He's a...
12:45It's getting better, isn't it?
12:47Whatever.
12:48Sorry, help me out.
12:50Whatever.
12:51Sit down.
12:51I need to get...
12:52Go run.
12:52Sit your...
12:53Down.
12:55So, what was the relationship?
12:57What was the relationship?
12:58Hell.
13:00My team were told by your lady, but I want to hear it from you, that Mel was violent to
13:04you.
13:04Yeah, very violent to her.
13:05What did she do to you?
13:06It to me.
13:07Sorry?
13:08It to me.
13:09Punch me.
13:10Uh...
13:11Bit my nose.
13:12But nobody should put up with that, whether it's a man or a woman.
13:15She says it was violent on both sides.
13:17Were you violent to her?
13:18No, I wasn't.
13:18So you...
13:18You have made my mouth split.
13:20Oh, did I?
13:21Don't read so.
13:21Yeah, you have sparked me.
13:22Restrain you now.
13:23You pulled my head in a public place.
13:25Did you spit at her?
13:26No, I never sparked her.
13:27Because if you did, that's low as well.
13:29I never sparked her.
13:29Any violence.
13:30So this relationship, right?
13:32This relationship, anybody's standards, was over, was destroyed.
13:35Destroyed.
13:36Now, do you not understand, though, that if you finish a relationship and get with her mate,
13:40that's going to cause...
13:41What?
13:42It's not a mate.
13:42They were friends.
13:43She was!
13:44You were friends, weren't you?
13:45We were friends, yeah.
13:47Yeah, and?
13:48Did you do that deliberately?
13:49No.
13:49Did you line her up?
13:50No.
13:51No.
13:51You liar.
13:52No.
13:52You liar.
13:53Whatever.
13:54You liar.
13:55You're a bit smug, aren't you?
13:56Do you think they were sleeping together?
13:57Yeah, I do.
13:58Is it?
13:58Yeah, I do.
13:59Do we lie detect this for, no?
14:00We didn't sleep together.
14:03We can't do lie detectives because of the medications that you're on.
14:06We're here for a divorce.
14:07We've got a divorce, don't you bet?
14:09I had sent the papers off yesterday.
14:11So why are you here?
14:13I had told you!
14:14Because you won't say no.
14:15I told you I gave you a divorce.
14:16When we went to the council, we went to the council about two, a 14-year-old.
14:19She said she was paying for it.
14:20Yeah, two weeks ago we went to the council and then she started gobbin' off in the council,
14:23didn't she?
14:24You turned around and said, man, I need to divorce.
14:26And then she turned around and said, I ain't going to make it hard.
14:29How can you get engaged to the latest one if you're still married?
14:32How does that work?
14:34Because I can.
14:35I'm free.
14:36Well, I'm still married too.
14:36It doesn't mean...
14:38Why weren't you...
14:38It wasn't so long ago.
14:40Let me see.
14:41What?
14:41A couple of months ago, in fact.
14:43You was begging to have me back.
14:45I don't think so.
14:46You're dreaming.
14:46Hi, any dreams?
14:48Here we go.
14:49Go back to my birthday, shall we?
14:51Any dreams?
14:52Go back to my birthday, did we?
14:54Shall we now?
14:54Can we get back there?
14:55In your dreams.
14:57My birthday?
14:58Yeah?
14:58You've got caught in some girl's face-off.
15:01In what?
15:02Outside the...
15:02Some girl's face-off.
15:04Outside the park.
15:04You've got caught in a girl's face-off, maybe?
15:06It's not going to have a face-off.
15:07It's got caught snogging her.
15:09And you want a chick to say,
15:10I'll take you for a pint for your birthday.
15:12Come on with me.
15:13Yeah.
15:13Don't think so.
15:14So let me hear this right.
15:15Why does any of this bother you if you don't want him to have a divorce?
15:18What's the point here?
15:20Question.
15:22Do you want...
15:22I want a divorce?
15:23I actually rang the show.
15:24I didn't want to come.
15:26I want to divorce.
15:26Do you think that she wants you back?
15:29No, I think he wants me back.
15:30Do I?
15:31If I was in fact,
15:32I don't show her together.
15:33He be begging me to have him back.
15:35Is it?
15:36Is it?
15:36In your dreams.
15:37I want...
15:38If you don't want him back,
15:39why don't you...
15:40Damn papers and be done.
15:41I am.
15:42It's done.
15:43I am.
15:43People talk to each other.
15:44It's good riddance to borrow a bitch.
15:45I've been waiting for you.
15:46Right, listen.
15:47How is she causing you problems?
15:48Help me out.
15:49How does that work?
15:50Run with us on Facebook.
15:52Why don't you just ignore it
15:53or close your damn Facebook account down
15:55or just get on with your life?
15:57Truth is,
15:57you're sleeping...
15:58Did you sleep with her mate
15:59before you split up?
16:00Yes.
16:00Never.
16:01Yes.
16:01That's what she thinks.
16:02You've got to answer her.
16:04Yes.
16:04Yes.
16:05When was the first time you had sex?
16:08The weekend that we got together.
16:09Yeah.
16:10That was a bit quick.
16:10August 11th.
16:12Yeah, August 11th.
16:13And you're in love with this lady?
16:14Yeah, I am, yeah.
16:15Yeah, and you want...
16:16So what's going to happen?
16:18Good riddance to bad rubbish.
16:19But then I don't understand you,
16:21you see, because...
16:22Bye.
16:22Go on, then.
16:23Go on, you go.
16:25No, go on, then.
16:26So let me get this absolutely clear,
16:28just to clear this up.
16:29You want to divorce him.
16:30Yeah, I am.
16:31You're not jealous of them.
16:32She's crossed the line,
16:33but you're not bothered.
16:34I was going to wait then.
16:35Every time I see you in a tree,
16:36I'll read your papers, yes.
16:37And you want to divorce her.
16:39I mean, basically,
16:40this is quite possible.
16:41Are you witnesses in a tree?
16:42This is actually quite easy for me.
16:44You want to divorce her,
16:45and you want to divorce him.
16:46So why don't you just bang
16:47your damn heads together,
16:48sign the papers,
16:49and move on with your life?
16:50How is that difficult?
16:54Why are we here?
16:56He's just...
16:57He's signed his side.
16:58We just want to...
16:59I haven't received them.
17:01I sent them off yesterday.
17:02So why are we here
17:04if you sent them off already?
17:05I don't want you back.
17:07I don't want you back either.
17:08Well, I think that's pretty final.
17:10Yeah.
17:10So, I sort of get both sides, right?
17:13Maybe you're hacked off.
17:14Have a look.
17:14That he's gone with one of your mates.
17:16Absolutely.
17:16You're annoyed that she was violent,
17:18but isn't it really simple?
17:19Why don't you all just stop this rubbish?
17:21Why don't you get some help?
17:23You get some help, Sonny,
17:24and you're done and you're free.
17:26What is more easy than that?
17:27That's when you win.
17:28Yeah?
17:28But why have you brought me here
17:30just to a million...
17:31You've just made a fool of yourselves.
17:33Tell you what?
17:34She just...
17:35What?
17:36She's best there.
17:37No, everything.
17:38She's here.
17:45She's open 24 hours seven days a week
17:48and 365 days a week.
17:50What is she, a corner shop?
17:52I'm Dick and Harry.
17:53Ladies, lock up your boyfriends.
17:55Oh, yeah.
17:55No, no, she'll be after you next time, Jeremy.
17:58Oh, yeah.
17:59No, I'm not.
18:00I'm not.
18:00No, I'm not getting involved in that at all.
18:02So, you want a divorce, right?
18:05Oh, yeah.
18:05You want a divorce.
18:06The fact is the relationship didn't work.
18:08Whether you two last or not, I don't know.
18:10It seems a bit quick to me.
18:11Do you think they'll last?
18:12No.
18:12Do you care?
18:13Oh, yeah.
18:14We're last.
18:15We're last.
18:15We're last.
18:15We're last.
18:17Well, sign the papers.
18:18Sign the papers and be done.
18:20Well, we'll sit you backstage.
18:21You can both sign the papers and we can be done.
18:24You two go that way.
18:24You go that way.
18:25Get out of it.
18:26Go.
18:27There you go.
18:29There you go.
18:29Thank you, Paul.
18:30You're welcome.
18:32Good.
18:36He's clapping himself up right after the break.
18:38It's quite simple, isn't it?
18:39He wants a divorce.
18:40She wants a divorce.
18:41Get divorced after the break.
18:42A familiar face to the show.
18:43Well, let me tell you about this.
18:45This is really interesting.
18:46I've done this show for 10 years.
18:47Never before have I had somebody come on and say what our first guest after this break is going to
18:52do.
18:52I'm right back.
18:53Don't go anywhere.
18:54I thought twins were supposed to be close.
18:56He says you're a complete embarrassment.
18:58Me and him close.
18:59We've never been close.
19:01Listen.
19:01I'm making him look bad.
19:02You've been on the show more times thinking about hot dinners.
19:04I've had enough.
19:06Embedial.
19:08Sorry, who's that?
19:09You sit down, you.
19:20Now, you might think you recognise my next guest from a few previous shows.
19:24However, the thing is, this guy's never been on the show.
19:27Does that make sense?
19:28So, John is here because he is sick and tired of getting mistaken for his love rat identical twin brother,
19:32Jamie,
19:33who has appeared on this show numerous times and has been exposed as, well, a liar, a womaniser and a
19:37cheat.
19:37John says that Jamie is a scrounger who constantly badgers him for money and today wants to expose him,
19:42get him out of his life for good and say, quite simply,
19:44will you stop going on the Jeremy Kyle show because people think I'm you and you're driving me mad?
19:49John's here.
19:53How are you?
19:57I'm fine.
19:57I feel like I'm really responsible.
19:59So, you've never been on the show?
20:01Never.
20:01But I feel like I know you.
20:02Never.
20:03But it would seem like I have.
20:04Well, your brother, your identical twin Jamie, obviously the same age, why did I say that?
20:09He's been here.
20:10Have a look at this.
20:12And I'm here today.
20:13He either admits that he's cheated on me or admits what he's done.
20:17Otherwise, we'll offer.
20:19There's no wedding.
20:20Want me to show you how much I love you?
20:22No, because you don't want me.
20:24Well, let me do it.
20:25Let me show you.
20:25Yes, I do.
20:26No.
20:28No.
20:28No.
20:29No.
20:29No.
20:30No.
20:31No.
20:31No.
20:31No.
20:33No.
20:33No.
20:34No.
20:35No.
20:36Why are you so keen to destroy this man's relationship...
20:41He can do better than her.
20:42It's for him to decide, not you.
20:44You're not even related to him.
20:46I'm the one that's been there for him from day one.
20:48But isn't he big enough to make it...
20:51Isn't he big enough to make his own mind up?
20:53He's made that many mistakes,
20:55I've kept him out of trouble and everything else.
20:57And it's about time he knew exactly what she was like.
20:59So you, he sleeps with you.
20:59You're sleeping with his ex.
21:01Can't dance.
21:01He's slept with all of my exes.
21:03Once it's proven that you are not a baby star.
21:05You are!
21:07He is right!
21:08He is right!
21:09He's a big job in!
21:10Stay out of my life!
21:11You say I was only with him for a short period of time
21:13and he was the worst sex you could ever have imagined.
21:17Why?
21:18Because he had a little...
21:21I'm that annoyed at her.
21:23Why?
21:23The lies that she's telling you.
21:24What lies?
21:26I'm talking to him, lover.
21:27Be quiet.
21:29I'm always stalking.
21:30I'm contacting her all the time.
21:31Why'd you do that?
21:32Nothing to do with her.
21:33The best thing that came out of her life...
21:35She says you propositioned her.
21:37The f***!
21:38Stop swirly!
21:39I said darling, I don't know you but I've heard of you and you need to keep your f*** out
21:44short.
21:44And what is it that first attracted you to this man next to you?
21:47What was it?
21:47The way he treats him.
21:49The way he treats you?
21:50Okay.
21:51Can you imagine?
21:52And here's Jamie.
21:53You're about to meet Jamie.
21:54He's been to prison for robbery.
21:55He can't keep it in his trousers.
21:57And he sometimes did drugs and he has a go at people.
22:01And he cheats.
22:02He's shifty.
22:03And you, you've done this too many times.
22:05And I hope...
22:06Do you know what?
22:07Dawn, I wish you the best of luck.
22:10Because if you stay with this weasel, I'm telling you...
22:12I'm going home on me.
22:13Why don't all of you go one way and leave the man who's not going to actually...
22:17But you're not...
22:18This is my Facebook door.
22:19Stay with a guy that's going to end up ruining your life like he did to hers.
22:22Or come with us and walk away from that scumbag.
22:28So we've had a few runnings, me and your brother.
22:30Yeah.
22:31He's a cheat.
22:32He's been to prison.
22:33Drugs.
22:33I mean...
22:34So there you are.
22:36You are his twin brother.
22:37Minding your own business.
22:38And he's on the show and you say it's embarrassing.
22:40Very embarrassing.
22:41I can't walk down the street without being stopped and being accused of him.
22:45Being called a druggie.
22:47Because of him.
22:48I've lost a lot of friends, a lot of business because of him.
22:53He's somebody that you don't really want to be close to.
22:55Has that always been the case?
22:56What was your relationship like with him?
22:58When we were kids, we always fighted.
23:01We always argued.
23:02But then we got to speak in again.
23:04And that was it.
23:05Oh, that's nice.
23:06Who's taller there?
23:07You or him?
23:09I think it's me in the blue, I think.
23:11It's a better shirt, the blue one, than the red one, isn't it?
23:13To be honest.
23:15You say he's jealous of me.
23:16It's the fact I'm building a business empire.
23:17He's constantly scrounging money off you.
23:19What's that about?
23:20Every week, he's asking for money.
23:22Tell him to do one!
23:23I've tried, but it's constantly giving me money.
23:26From Jeremy to John, give me a fiver, bro.
23:28Can you lend me a fiver, bro?
23:30I need to find a tenner, bro.
23:31I need a tenner, bro.
23:32Bro, you got a tenner?
23:33Bro, you got a tenner?
23:35Bro, you got a tenner?
23:37I can lend, bro.
23:38Oi, Stevie, you got a tenner?
23:39I can bother, bro.
23:40Bro, bother, brother?
23:40But anyway, never mind.
23:41So basically, all this guy does is sponge money off you.
23:45You don't like his lifestyle, but you sit there grinning.
23:48How bad is it?
23:49Because you told us this is getting embarrassing.
23:51It's bad, it's embarrassing.
23:53I'm ashamed to call him my brother.
23:54Very ashamed.
23:55I'm ashamed to have him.
23:56Shut up!
23:58Shut up!
23:59No.
24:00What's today about?
24:01Today is about me telling him that's it.
24:03I've had enough.
24:04You do it!
24:04Jamie's back for the 28th time on the Jeremy Kyle show.
24:07That way!
24:14You're embarrassing.
24:15Says you.
24:16Embarrassing.
24:16Says you.
24:17You're a cheat.
24:18You're a fraud.
24:19Cheat and fraud?
24:20Who's who won this?
24:20You're claiming benefits while working.
24:22Stay off the show.
24:23Yeah?
24:23It's got nothing to do with you, what I do with my life.
24:25Me claiming benefits.
24:26You're going out with Dorn and claiming separate benefits.
24:29Scrouting off my family.
24:30No, we're not.
24:31Yeah?
24:31I need money.
24:32You're a waste of space.
24:33I've got no food.
24:34Why do you keep borrowing money off him if he's a waste of space?
24:36I borrowed money what I often want.
24:38Well, there's about a 24 text message there.
24:40But he could have made them.
24:41I thought twins were supposed to be close.
24:43He says you're a complete embarrassment.
24:45Me and him close, we've never been close.
24:48Never.
24:48Why?
24:49Because of the way he's always been with me.
24:51He's a bully.
24:53And he's always hit me.
24:54Oh, God.
24:54She's back.
24:55Hold on.
24:56Can I just say something, right?
24:57Don't talk to Don like that.
24:58Shut up a minute.
24:59It isn't about you this time.
25:00Hey!
25:01Shut up.
25:01I've not said it's about me.
25:02You've been with him.
25:03You haven't been with him.
25:04You've left him.
25:04You've got back.
25:05I don't want to hear anything you say.
25:06Shut your mouth.
25:07Be quiet.
25:08Be quiet.
25:08Not interested.
25:09No, I won't be quiet.
25:09Not about you.
25:10At the end of the day, there's competition between both of them.
25:14Well, they're twins.
25:14They would be.
25:15Yeah, precisely.
25:16Have you slept with both of them?
25:17No, I haven't.
25:18You sure?
25:19I wouldn't dare.
25:20Right?
25:20What?
25:20I wouldn't dare.
25:21Are you back with that?
25:22Yes, I am.
25:22Well, you're stupid.
25:23No, I'm not.
25:23Yes, you are not interested.
25:25No, I'm not at all.
25:26Not interested.
25:27Well, at the end of the day.
25:28At the end of the day, nothing.
25:29Unless you shut up, you're leaving.
25:30Be quiet.
25:30It's not about you for a change.
25:31It's about those two.
25:32What is it?
25:33Tell him.
25:34I've had enough.
25:35My life is my life.
25:37Stay out of it.
25:37Shut up.
25:37You've had enough.
25:38Shut up.
25:38Don't tell me what to do.
25:39Right?
25:40Your life is your life.
25:41You might be me twin.
25:41Keep me out of it.
25:42But that's it.
25:43You use people.
25:45You think it's funny, do you?
25:46I think your brother's right.
25:47It's not funny.
25:47I ain't laughing at what you're saying.
25:49I'm laughing at you.
25:50Giving me these.
25:52That's when we was a baby.
25:54Yeah, that would be.
25:55What went wrong?
25:55That.
25:56Precisely what went wrong.
25:57You asked yourself that question.
25:59That's because my head's more clued to...
26:02Yeah, right.
26:02You're jealous of your brother.
26:03I'm a help.
26:05He says you're jealous.
26:05He's building a business empire.
26:07You want to do everything I want to do while claiming benefits?
26:11You're going out with somebody and claiming...
26:13Forget it.
26:14Why do you hate him so much?
26:16Why?
26:16Yeah.
26:17Because he's a bully.
26:18Tell him.
26:18He blattied me when I was younger.
26:20And don't say he didn't.
26:21And you think I'm scared of you.
26:24Far from scared of you.
26:25I'm not the person I was when I was little.
26:27You used to run away from me.
26:28That's when we was little.
26:29You used to run through people's houses.
26:29I'm nothing like that.
26:31Yeah?
26:31Nothing like that.
26:33And you know I'm not.
26:34You're a little pussycat.
26:36Am I?
26:37Yeah.
26:37If it wasn't for the security, I'd show you pussycat.
26:40Do you want some food?
26:42So you're threatening him now, are you?
26:44And you know it.
26:45This is what he's like.
26:46He's threatened myself.
26:47He's threatened my family.
26:49Not just me and my partner.
26:50No, I haven't.
26:51But my daughter as well.
26:52You've threatened his children.
26:53No, I haven't.
26:53You sure about that?
26:54No, I haven't.
26:54You've done everything else on this show.
26:56You've been to prison.
26:56You've taken drugs.
26:57You've cheated.
26:57You've shouted.
26:58I went to jail and I changed my life around.
27:00Well, you obviously did.
27:01But you don't look at that.
27:02I beg your pardon?
27:02You don't look at me changing my life around.
27:04Oh, it's my fault now, is it?
27:04Do you know what I mean?
27:05I've also been to jail as well, for fair.
27:08Try and breathe before you speak.
27:09It always helps.
27:12Are you pregnant?
27:13Yes, I am.
27:13Who's the father?
27:14Jamie.
27:15Are you sure it's not the twin?
27:16No.
27:16Are you sure about that?
27:18Yes, I am.
27:19I wouldn't touch stone with yours.
27:23Because you're in his nationals.
27:30So you don't face it?
27:32No.
27:33And he's turned it.
27:33Because last time you were doing one.
27:35Why are you back with it?
27:36Because we've sorted everything out.
27:38Everything?
27:38Everything.
27:39No, I'm saying everything now.
27:40It's got a T in it.
27:41What?
27:41We've addressed our issues.
27:42Are you claiming benefits?
27:44Too many benefits?
27:45No, as a joint claim.
27:47Why don't you go to work?
27:47All in benefit, that is it.
27:48I started my own business up nearly two years ago.
27:51We've got a right couple of Donald Trumps here this morning, haven't we, eh?
27:53I had to close it for personal reasons that I can't mention.
27:57Oh, right.
27:58What's your business?
27:59I'm a printer.
28:01Good.
28:01So you don't like each other.
28:03So actually, but you were full of it when you came out.
28:05You said, I'm going to tell him exactly what.
28:07He's hacked off that you're here.
28:08Which is a bit ironic, because you rang up and came here.
28:10How does that make it?
28:11I'm annoyed.
28:12I'm annoyed.
28:12He turned around to me.
28:13Talk to him, mate.
28:14I've got Eddie.
28:15Listen to me.
28:16Listen.
28:17He says you're making him look bad.
28:20Listen.
28:20I'm making him look bad.
28:21You've been on the show more times than you've had hot dinners.
28:24I doubt it.
28:25I've had enough.
28:25Right?
28:26I've had enough.
28:27Right?
28:27I can't go anywhere without people calling me.
28:30Can I just try something just to see if you do, in fact, look exactly the same?
28:33Well, hey.
28:35Put the hat on.
28:37Put the hat on.
28:37No, put the hat on.
28:38Put the hat on.
28:39You put the glasses on.
28:41Bet this would be your worst nightmare.
28:43You wouldn't know who I have sex with, would you?
28:45Look at that!
28:50I'll tell you what.
28:53I mean, it does make sense.
28:55They might think that he walking down the street is a cheat and a cad and a druggie and all
28:58that.
28:59You're laughing.
28:59I'm no druggie.
29:00He's no druggie.
29:01I am no druggie.
29:02And I will do a test.
29:02Oh, you're accepting to cheat then?
29:05He's cheated on me once.
29:06Yeah.
29:07Once.
29:08But do you know the thing that's really, really...
29:09And I am no druggie.
29:10And I will do a test to show I'm not a druggie.
29:11Oh, I'm not doing any more tests.
29:12I didn't even want you to come back today.
29:13Can I not just say this is quite sad?
29:15You're supposed to be the closest thing.
29:17We've never been close.
29:18Why?
29:19It's just the way we've always been.
29:21So it's gone too far?
29:22There's no way back?
29:22No.
29:23After today, that's it.
29:24The way something they did was turn around and say that me and Jamie didn't deserve
29:29kids.
29:30That's one thing.
29:31So you're telling me I don't deserve my own born daughter?
29:34How can you say...
29:34You want to stay with a kid?
29:36John, you have got no money to turn around and tell me that I will lose my daughter in
29:44Bissell.
29:45You sit down.
29:46You sit down, you.
29:47Who's that?
29:48Who are you?
29:48You've got nothing to do with this.
29:49Who are you?
29:50Excuse me.
29:50Me?
29:51So there he has.
29:51He has got nothing to do with this.
29:53So who are you?
29:53My baby's godfather.
29:54Who's stepdad?
29:55Him?
29:56Did I give you permission to go on stage?
29:57He's riffraff.
29:58Do I...
30:01I'll tell you one thing you are going to do.
30:03Get your little backside out of my building.
30:04Throw that out.
30:05I'm not being sarcastic about that.
30:06Get him out.
30:13You've got no right to get no into it.
30:15He's your baby's godfather.
30:17Get him out.
30:18How can you ever have a godfather before the baby's born?
30:20You've promised somebody that you're going to name your child after somebody.
30:23Anyway, does it matter?
30:24So you two don't want a relationship, no?
30:26No.
30:27Nothing to do.
30:27You are a liar.
30:28You are a cheat.
30:29You have done drugs.
30:30You have been to prison.
30:31And he's probably...
30:32He's been to prison.
30:34Have you?
30:35I have been to prison.
30:36What did you go to prison for?
30:38A silly theft when I was a kid.
30:39There's no way back in your relationship, no?
30:41No way back.
30:42Right.
30:43I don't want...
30:44I just want everybody who works in the Jeremy Carr show to know this.
30:47I am never, ever going to see you again.
30:49I didn't even want to come back.
30:50I came back.
30:51I didn't want you to come back.
30:52Well, I didn't want to come back.
30:52Well, I don't even know why you're here.
30:54We didn't want to.
30:55I'm sorry.
30:56I'm sorry.
30:58Goodbye.
30:58Adios.
31:07Where are you going now?
31:09I just want to say one thing.
31:11No.
31:11He's lost all rights to his niece when his niece is born.
31:14The part's finished.
31:15It's called the Jeremy Carr show.
31:16Go away.
31:17Goodbye.
31:17Thank you very much indeed.
31:23The thing is, right?
31:24They don't actually have to have anything to do with each other.
31:26I wish them the best with the baby, and hopefully they'll never be back.
31:29Right.
31:29My next guest today, Claire, she's here to find out if her partner, Jeremy, lied about money
31:32going missing from his wallet last week.
31:34It's not actually called Jeremy.
31:35It's called another name in Polish, but it's Polish for Jeremy.
31:37I might change the name of my show to a Polish name.
31:39Why I said that, I've no idea.
31:41Anyway, just before he was ready to go out for her birthday, he claimed that the money
31:44that he had put aside for her night owl was stolen from his wallet.
31:49This ruined her entire birthday, and she soon began to doubt that this money even existed.
31:53She says, if this guy has lied, I've watched this show, people go, oh, it's over.
31:57I cannot be with a liar.
31:59He needs to come clean.
32:00Claire, next on the Carr show.
32:02That way.
32:06All right, come on.
32:07Come on.
32:09How are you?
32:10Don't look so scared.
32:11Sorry.
32:11What a very strong hand grip.
32:12How are you?
32:13I'm not too bad.
32:14So he's called Jeremy, but he's not called Jeremy.
32:17I named him Jeremy, because I met him, and he was called Jarek Slow, and I just saw...
32:22He was what?
32:23...called Jarek Slow, but I just...
32:25Jarek Slow?
32:26So I just said...
32:26The Jarek Slow Kyle Schlow.
32:28So I said, do you mind if I call you Jeremy?
32:30Why did you pick Jeremy?
32:31Because of the show?
32:32Because Jeremy is easier to pronounce, and it sounded like the closest thing to Jarek Slow.
32:38Brilliant.
32:39Excellent.
32:39So there you are.
32:40Good.
32:40Did my boyfriend lie to ruining my birthday party?
32:43You've been in a relationship with him for how long?
32:44A year and a half.
32:45Brilliant.
32:46It's been amazing, you said, literally amazing, up until this point.
32:50So let's talk about how good...
32:51How did you meet?
32:52We met through my Latvian friend, Marita, who's a very good friend of mine.
32:58Been very supportive.
32:59And the relationship, in your mind, brilliant.
33:01This guy was everything that you wanted.
33:02You have a great time.
33:03Everything's good.
33:04Any sort of concerns about him at all over the months?
33:07Not really, no.
33:08We've got probably the best emotional connection I'd like to believe that I've had with any...
33:13Then why don't you believe him?
33:14Why have you brought him on the Jeremy Kyle show?
33:16Because I've had a lot of people in my life lie, do wrong things, take advantage, manipulate me, and so
33:23on.
33:24Can I just say about this incident, it's not about how much money, but basically it was your birthday, right?
33:30And you'd planned to go out.
33:31He had some money to take you out.
33:33Tell us what happened.
33:33I mean, he'd been planning it for ages, right?
33:35Yeah, basically, I went to take my son to my mum's.
33:39I don't get to go out very often.
33:41So I took my son to my mum's and came back.
33:45And about half an hour after, he said, would I go up to speak to him?
33:51He told me the money had gone missing.
33:54So, obviously, he'd been his partner.
33:56I went downstairs and I said, look, guys, you know, I have to ask.
34:01Some money's gone missing.
34:02People start pulling out their pockets in one thing or another.
34:05The bottom line is the night was cancelled.
34:07You were devastated.
34:07It ruined your birthday.
34:08Why did you, in your own words, right, when there were other people there,
34:11why would you doubt the man you say you're completely in love with?
34:15That's the point of this story.
34:17Why?
34:17Because I'm a very distrusting person.
34:19You think that he had done something with the money, lied until the point of no return,
34:23said it was stolen because he couldn't afford to send you out for the night.
34:26You believe.
34:26And you said to my team, and this is, for me, really interesting,
34:29you say, if he's done that because of my past, I can't have zilch to do with him.
34:35I find it very hard to move forward, yeah.
34:37So we bring him out, we do the lie detector results, and I'm watching the way you look at him.
34:40If this guy's lied, you've got a major problem in the relationship, yeah?
34:44Maybe he's hiding something.
34:45Jeremy, who's not called Jeremy, is on the show.
34:47Give him a round of applause.
34:56Come on, hurry up, sit down.
34:58Hi.
34:58How are you?
34:59Welcome to the show.
34:59Yes, I'm fine, thank you.
35:00You've been in a relationship with Claire for 16 months.
35:02Yes.
35:03Let's talk about this night in question, it's not the money.
35:05She says she'd look forward to this night out, the money had been saved up,
35:09all of a sudden, you go, the money has been taken from the wallet.
35:13Yes.
35:14You say, what?
35:16That was happen.
35:17Right.
35:18And you say, I was honest with her, but she thinks I'm making this up.
35:23Yeah.
35:24What do you want to say to him?
35:25Just that I love him, and that I really hope that he's going to prove me wrong,
35:29and I'll walk away here today a very happy woman, and I very much apologise to him.
35:33What if he's done it?
35:38If he's done it, I'd just have to accept that and move forward in my life.
35:43But I don't think...
35:44You're going to fail this test or pass it?
35:46I think I'll pass it.
35:47Sorry?
35:48I think I'll pass it.
35:49You think you'll pass it.
35:50Tremend.
35:51Oh, look, they're off.
35:52The morality squad are off.
35:56Jeremy was asked, did you lie about having money stolen from your wallet?
36:01He said no.
36:03Why did you say no?
36:04Because I'm not taking my money from your wallet.
36:07The examiner said...
36:08Be quiet and listen.
36:10The examiner said that when Jeremy arrived for testing, he smelled very strongly of cannabis.
36:16When questioned, he admitted that he is a regular user and that he smoked it yesterday.
36:20Did you know that?
36:21I know that he's doing cannabis.
36:23Well, although he denies using any today, being under the influence of drugs has caused the test results to be
36:28inconclusive.
36:31The examiner also noted that Jeremy admitted to having a gambling problem and last week spent 150 quid on certain
36:39machines.
36:40So I'm going to put this to you, pal.
36:42You knew if you were on cannabis that result would be inconclusive.
36:45You took that money to pay off your debts, didn't you?
36:48No.
36:48Come on.
36:50How bad's the gambling?
36:52It's maybe a little bit of a problem, but I can try to be honest with that.
36:55Is that where all your money's gone?
36:57No.
36:57Did you know about the gambling problem?
37:02How bad is it?
37:04Tell me.
37:06He needs to get help, Phil.
37:08Do you think that maybe that's where the money or a lot of the money has gone?
37:14Does that make you think?
37:16I'm not, you know, I'm just going with this.
37:18We explain in great detail, but you've turned up for that test.
37:22Cannabis is in your system and it's wrong to lie.
37:26You know, we can't get a result because of that.
37:28Now that doesn't leave you in a great position because you're saying inconclusive, so now you think he's a liar.
37:33But I think there are reasons for this and I think this is really simple and I think you need
37:37to be honest.
37:38I think however much you wanted her to have the night out, you owed money, didn't you?
37:41Yes, I am.
37:43Yes.
37:43How much do you owe?
37:45Probably about ten grand maybe.
37:48Did you know that?
37:50No.
37:51Ten thousand.
37:52In the past, this time when I'm like...
37:54This is what this story is about, right?
37:56You can deny everything.
37:57Yeah.
37:58But I suspect that that cash was part of a bigger problem.
38:02You've been with somebody you describe as the love of your life for 16 months and you didn't know the
38:08extent of that problem?
38:10Not for that amount, no.
38:12That's why you didn't have that money, isn't it?
38:14No, I have this money.
38:16No.
38:16That money disappeared.
38:17Is it?
38:18Yeah.
38:19So who take it then?
38:20What?
38:20Who take that?
38:21You.
38:22I'm taking my money from myself from the birthday of my woman.
38:25You didn't have the money because you owed gambling debts and up to the last minute and then you said
38:30to get out of paying for the night, you went, it's been stolen.
38:34That's exactly what I think and I think that's why under the influence of cannabis, you knew it would be
38:38an inconclusive result.
38:40And you might not take it seriously but it's not about that night, it's about a ten thousand pound gambling
38:46debt.
38:47What's going to happen now, sweetheart?
38:50Hard to say because it's inconclusive but...
38:54Are you interested in that night or are you interested in the fact that the man you say you love
38:58has a serious gambling addiction?
39:00I'm interested in knowing the truth.
39:02Ten grand in debt.
39:03I think you know the truth.
39:04I think I do in my guts and I think he does.
39:06You need real help.
39:07You think it's funny, do you?
39:08I think it's funny what you say right now, you know.
39:12I don't think it's funny you've got a ten thousand pound debt.
39:14I'm saying it's a lie.
39:15It's not about that though, is it?
39:17It's about ten thousand pound debt.
39:18Nothing's going to change until you stop gambling.
39:21This is what is my problem, yeah?
39:22Yeah.
39:23So why don't you face that problem?
39:25I'm just going to hang over you mate, you need to get it sorted, we'll of course help you.
39:28Okay.
39:28And Claire, on a serious note, you need to think long and hard about somebody who can keep something like
39:35that from you.
39:35I don't think the relevance is that night.
39:37It's not about the size of the money, I always say that.
39:40It's about a more deep-rooted problem in your relationship.
39:42We'll ask you to go that way and Graham will meet you that way.
39:44Give them a round of applause.
39:46APPLAUSE
39:50It's not how to feel for that lady.
39:51We'll discover the truth no doubt ever.
39:53It's in our next lie detector results on The Carl Show.
39:55We're right back.
39:56A week after we got together, he kissed a bird in front of me at a nightclub.
39:59It was awful.
40:00You kissed somebody, didn't you?
40:01I've done it on a dare.
40:03You're in a cage and kissing another woman.
40:05Sure.
40:05But you're with her.
40:07Yeah.
40:07So you don't trust her?
40:09No.
40:10And you don't trust him?
40:11No.
40:11It's going really well, isn't it?
40:12And you're engaged to be married.
40:14Uh, during the test, Steve admitted...
40:21Have you been accused of cheating?
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40:55Welcome back.
40:56My next guest today, Kelly, is here with fiancee Stephen as she is utterly convinced that he has cheated for
41:01a third time.
41:01Now, most shockingly, Stephen actually kissed one of the women in front of her drunkenly on a night out.
41:06However, he's not the only one facing the lie detector.
41:08He's convinced that she has cheated whilst he, check this, was serving a six-week stint in prison.
41:13What a romance.
41:14Kelly says she's sick of the arguments and today wants to know the truth as their relationship, surprisingly, hangs in
41:20the balance.
41:20Kelly's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
41:29Well, well, well.
41:30Yeah.
41:32Right.
41:32Now, hold on a minute.
41:34See, when I read...
41:35How old are you?
41:3633.
41:37How old is he?
41:3822.
41:41Why is it that when a bloke goes out with a younger woman, everyone goes, come on.
41:44And when a woman goes out with a younger one, they go, oh my god, that's a bit wrong.
41:48A week after we got...
41:49Well, hold on a second.
41:50How did you meet?
41:51Can you speak up a bit?
41:52I met him through three...
41:54Nice.
41:54You went to prison with a nine-year-old.
41:56When you met him?
41:57Yeah, yeah.
41:58Good.
41:58A week after we got together he kissed a bird in front of me at a nightclub.
42:01It was awful. What struck what you're standing at the nightclub and he kisses another woman. Yeah, it was
42:06We was in like a cage thing that you're dancing
42:10And the bird was behind and he's ended up kissing her in front of me and you think that's funny
42:15Do you know the fact that you think it's funny is probably why got away with it three weeks ago?
42:19He admitted that he kissed another woman
42:21Apparently when he admitted the second time that meant that you've got no trust
42:24Why is he getting you to do a lie detector because he reckons I cheated on him when he was
42:28in prison for six weeks
42:29What did he go to prison for and breach brilliant?
42:33It's better by the minute so because his other women goes to prison. You kissed somebody didn't you?
42:39I've done it on a dare
42:42Done what on the day and he was there and it was I kissed a girl on the day
42:48How old are you?
42:49Immature games to me. He's been to jail. He's accusing you of cheating
42:54Yeah, you think he's cheated because he's kissed one bird in front of you and one behind your back
42:58Yeah, and you've ended up on the Jeremy car show
43:01Do you know any other words, but yeah, I just want him I don't trust him as far as I
43:06confirm him really I would throw him
43:07Steven's on the Jeremy car show. Give me a round of applause
43:16Right, so why would you kiss another woman in front of her a week after you met her then what's
43:20that all about all my days?
43:22It was in a nightclub and she's making me out to be about like a
43:24right
43:26When you're in a cage and kissing another woman so
43:29But you're with her yeah
43:36You're in a nightclub with your new bird after a week. Yeah, you've got she goes up and sees
43:42What in the nightclub no in the cage? Oh my god
43:45I don't understand listen. Look hold on you get with her. Yeah, you've been together a week. Yeah, you don't
43:52look at them
43:54You then you go to a nightclub together
43:57Yes, at the nightclub. You're in a cage. Yes. Yeah musical zoo. Yeah, and I'm from that moment. You kissed
44:05another woman in front of her
44:06Yeah, it didn't mean anything no
44:10And you kissed another woman in the street
44:12Yeah, which I told her the food
44:14Oh, that makes it all right then does it why do you keep kissing other women what?
44:20Kissing other women yeah
44:25You don't know
44:28What
44:29I'm asking you kiss two women in the street why you what cinema tea yeah, I don't understand what you're
44:38talking about
44:39Why did you kiss two women?
44:42I was engaged to be married to I was highly intoxicated on all right. We're getting that you were drunk.
44:48Yeah, right both occasions
44:50Yeah, do you do anything else? No, which I'll prove today. I don't know. Why do you not trust her?
44:55What cuz I found messages on the phone from who on a face book from another bloke saying what she
45:01said to him
45:01Yeah, she'll give her a number so they can talk and that but I never gave him a number
45:06Gee so you don't trust her no, and you don't trust him. No, it's going really well, isn't it? And
45:11you're engaged to be married
45:12Yeah, why would you bother being engaged?
45:14Why don't you both run for the hills in the opposite direction and screaming like I never want to be
45:17that person again? You're gonna pass. Yeah. Yeah
45:20100% okay, you're gonna pass. Yeah. Well, that'll be lovely won't it. It's all going very well
45:27We'll start with you Steven the question was it all right the lie detector they look after you yeah, you're
45:31right confident sit back relax
45:36During the test Stephen had
45:39Admitted to kissing two women on two separate occasions, which we've talked about yeah
45:44Which Kelly knows about he also admitted to kissing and having sexual contact with another person
45:50Drunk and dare in front of Kelly
45:52Yeah, I know about that one
45:56Tell you what I'll go for something funny. That'd be like a dare wouldn't it?
46:00So you did that with another woman in front of her and you're sat here wondering why is it she
46:03so we changed all the questions you're happy with this
46:06Aren't you yeah since the start of your relationship with Kelly apart from the three occasions you've admitted to
46:10The dare and the two others one in the street and one in the cage have you passionately kissed anyone
46:15else you said no
46:15Why did you say no telling the truth what cuz I was telling the truth. No, you're a liar aren't
46:19you?
46:19I'm not a liar
46:23What not a liar right?
46:26Since the start of your relationship with Kelly apart from kissing and the one occasion which you had sexual contact
46:30with anyone said no this test says you're a liar
46:32Oh
46:33What would that be then? Sorry?
46:35I'd love to know who that was
46:39Maybe you were highly intoxicated
46:42What do you mean? Oh my god, maybe you were drunk and you didn't know what you were doing
46:48Basically since the start of your relationship with Kelly if you had sexual intercourse with her you said no he
46:51failed every single question
46:54And you know it's true
46:56It's not true
46:57Nothing about you's true
46:59Kissing women in the street kissing women was it a dare that you had sex with someone?
47:04Did she go I'll just sit here
47:06I'll just sit here
47:07I'll just sit here
47:07You did sleep with someone didn't you?
47:09No
47:09I want mine red
47:09What?
47:10I want mine red
47:11I don't think the most immature relationship in the history
47:14Can I have his card as well?
47:19You believe this?
47:21You're happy?
47:23No
47:23Not really
47:25Are you not going to say anything?
47:27No
47:30I feel like I'm in another universe today
47:33What's wrong with you?
47:37During the test Kelly admitted to kissing another woman at a drunken dare which Stephen knew about
47:42Stop making that ridiculous noise
47:44That was the woman yeah?
47:45Yeah
47:45So we changed the question
47:47Are you happy with this Steve?
47:48Yeah
47:48You know he's a cheat right?
47:51Since the start of your relationship with Stephen apart from the one occasion you've admitted to
47:54That was the woman you passionately kissed anyone else
47:56You said no why did you say no?
47:57Because I'm telling the truth
47:58She says you're a liar as well
47:59Right then
48:01That was a check
48:02Oh so this is
48:03Yeah
48:04So this is rubbish
48:05Yeah
48:05And that's rubbish
48:06Yeah
48:06And your relationship is rubbish so why don't you do one
48:12What are you looking at?
48:15Just cause you've got these here
48:16What?
48:16What are you looking at?
48:17Just cause you've got these here
48:18What?
48:19Just cause you've got these here
48:19Just cause you've got these here
48:20What?
48:21You're going to have a go at me are you?
48:22Little boy run along
48:23Little boy
48:23See ya
48:24Look at ya
48:30I am utterly done and out of time
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48:35To my guests to this audience and to you four watching at home
48:37We'll see you very soon
48:38Take care
48:39Bye bye
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