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00:00On today's show
00:01Why the hell are you on the Jeremy Cowell show?
00:03I've had a one night stand before him.
00:05And you discovered that you were pregnant?
00:06He said that his parts didn't work and she couldn't have been his.
00:10So he said, alright, we'll go half my DNA test with you.
00:12A few months passed, he still hasn't turned out with half the money.
00:14In the end, we finally got him to do it.
00:16And the DNA proved that he was the father.
00:18What was the response?
00:19Well, er...
00:19I haven't said that she's not my child. I have not once.
00:23Don't talk to me like that, Rhys.
00:26He talks to women like that, don't you?
00:30She can't take money from this.
00:34She got pregnant at a young age,
00:36but before that, was she troubled?
00:38She's been troubled since the day she was born.
00:39She's 21, you say she's slept with 100 blokes.
00:44600 people?
00:46If he's got a bag of MCAT or a couple of grounds,
00:48she'd drop a... for anybody.
00:49No, but somebody did not leave.
00:52She's slept with a 21-year-old on holiday,
00:54with my daughter in the caravan.
01:04APPLAUSE
01:06Good morning, guys.
01:10Thank you very much indeed.
01:11Thank you very much indeed.
01:15Good morning.
01:16It is ever a big thing.
01:17Welcome to the show now.
01:18Our first guest today, Shah, is here
01:19to tell the man she had a one-night stand with
01:22to start accepting he is the father
01:24to their 11-month-old daughter
01:25instead of playing happy families
01:28with his new partner.
01:29Now, Shah says he's never made any effort to be a dad
01:31and now she's here to demand he steps up
01:33and he faces his responsibilities.
01:35She has so much to say.
01:36Shah is first on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
01:39Give a round of applause.
01:41Are you all right?
01:44Are you all right?
01:45Are you all right?
01:45What?
01:45You're really amazing.
01:46I'm so happy to meet you.
01:47No, but I think you are an amazing...
01:50I watch you every day.
01:51Do you?
01:51Yeah, I think you are amazing.
01:52You're a very nice lady.
01:53My daughter loves you as well.
01:54She wakes up to watch Shah.
01:56She does.
01:57I'm being serious.
01:58You realise if you're in the wrong,
01:59I'm still going to say what I think.
02:00Yeah, but I know I'm not so.
02:02You're not.
02:02You're the most confident person I've ever had.
02:04Let's get some facts here.
02:06We have an ex, Reece and you.
02:11Oh, that looks good.
02:12We've got an 11-month-old daughter, Kiara May.
02:15DNA today.
02:16We'll get into that in a minute
02:16because I got really confused.
02:18Let's talk about you and Reece.
02:19How did you get together?
02:20How was it?
02:21Why did it go wrong?
02:21Why the hell are you on the Jeremy Kyle Show?
02:23Oh, I wish I weren't.
02:24No, nothing against you.
02:26But she's not the place I want to be.
02:27I'd rather have just stepped up in the first place.
02:29We were together quite a few years ago.
02:32It was nothing serious.
02:34It was a childhood relationship.
02:36Love affair.
02:37Yeah, silly little ones.
02:38And then I had a one-night stand with Reece to get back at my ex.
02:42You had a one-night stand with Reece to get back at another relationship
02:45and then you discovered that you were pregnant.
02:47Yeah.
02:47Might want to ask the obvious first question
02:49because I know we're doing DNA.
02:51Presumably, you having sex with the other guy and Reece
02:54there's a chance that Reece can't be the dad.
02:56Yeah.
02:56At that moment?
02:57Yeah, yeah, there was.
02:58And here's the other thing, right?
02:59So, when you got pregnant, did you tell him?
03:01Did you go, Reece, I'm pregnant?
03:02Well, I didn't want you to begin with.
03:03And what did Reece say?
03:04There's Reece, so, gentlemen.
03:06He said that his parts didn't work and she couldn't have been his.
03:11His what?
03:12His parts didn't work and he couldn't have kids.
03:14Yeah, then what happened?
03:15Well, then I just stopped talking to him
03:16because I took it as maybe his parts didn't work
03:18and I still believed it was.
03:20All of which would have been avoided
03:21if you put something on the end of it, to be perfectly honest.
03:26I was on the pill, but I was taking antibiotics
03:29and I didn't read into it.
03:30So, at this point, you're back with the boyfriend
03:32or you're with Reece?
03:33Well, I didn't ever get with Reece after.
03:36He's in a new relationship at this point, isn't he?
03:38Yeah.
03:38He was on a break when we slept together.
03:41Anyway, let's cut to the chase.
03:42Yeah.
03:43You're pregnant.
03:44Yeah.
03:44How does it get to the point where you say
03:46and you are definitive today to us?
03:48In fact, I have to explain this twist.
03:50You have already done a DNA test.
03:52My mum paid for it.
03:53He was meant to pay half because he demanded it.
03:55He said, I don't want to get attached
03:56because he saw her three times in the first three weeks she was born.
03:59And he said, I don't want to get attached until I know she is mine.
04:01So, he said, alright, we'll go half on a DNA test with you.
04:04Yeah, yeah, I'll be happy to do that.
04:05A few months passed.
04:06He still hasn't turned up with half the money.
04:08So, my mum said, well, Chiara needs to know, so we'll pay for it.
04:11So, my mum paid for the full test.
04:13We had to chase him.
04:14I told him we had the test at mine.
04:16Can you come round and do it?
04:17Nothing.
04:18Kirst, he actually saw me in the street and jumped out of a car and stopped him.
04:21Hi, Kirst.
04:22Hello.
04:22Who's that?
04:22My best friend.
04:23Brilliant.
04:23Alright, Kirst, carry on.
04:24And Chiara's godmother.
04:25Yeah, alright, carry on.
04:26So, she jumped out of the car and had to stop him and say, do this DNA.
04:30And in the end, we finally got him to do it.
04:31And the DNA proved that he wasn't the father.
04:34No, he was.
04:35He was, rather.
04:35And what was the response?
04:37Well...
04:37You reckon you conned him?
04:38No, I gave it to him.
04:39The results, because we went and gave it to him.
04:41He didn't want to come collect them.
04:42We had to give them to him.
04:43And I went, so do you want to see her then?
04:45Oh, of course I do.
04:45She's my little girl.
04:46Alright, well, shall I take your number?
04:47No, I know where you live.
04:48I'll come round.
04:49That was five months ago.
04:50She's 11 months of age, he's seen her only, what, three times?
04:54Three times in the first three weeks.
04:54And he told us he thinks that the DNA test was a con, that you basically, just basically
05:00are nailing this on him.
05:02Yeah.
05:03No.
05:03He's a real DNA.
05:04But then, the interesting thing is, after you and he had the one night stand, a real twist,
05:08you'll love this, he set up house with his new bird, didn't he?
05:12I don't know, I don't know, he had his flat.
05:13Didn't she get pregnant?
05:15Yeah.
05:15Which goes to prove that his bits do work, right?
05:18Yeah, exactly.
05:19Has he had a DNA on that child at all?
05:21Oh, no, no, that's definitely his.
05:23Think he's still in love with you?
05:24No.
05:25No?
05:25No.
05:26He thinks you're in love with him, love.
05:28Well, he's completely wrong about that.
05:30Good, right.
05:30Well, so today's about the truth, he thinks you want him back, you say no, you say we've
05:34done one DNA test.
05:36All I want is him to be there for Chiara.
05:38Right.
05:39That's all I want.
05:39What do you make of this boy, then?
05:42Well, it's not worse.
05:44I'm just disappointed, if I'm honest, that he just can't man up for it.
05:47You'd think that a man who says I can't be a dad because my bits don't work then goes
05:51off with a new bird and makes her pregnant.
05:53Reece is on the Jeremy Kyle show.
05:54Give her a round of applause.
05:55He's coming that way.
06:00What are you doing?
06:02You're going to let me talk.
06:03You're going to let me talk.
06:04Right.
06:06If my bits don't work, how is it my bird already was pregnant?
06:09Already was pregnant.
06:09How is your child five months younger?
06:11Sorry, sorry.
06:12I know I come from a different planet because I'm nearly 50 and I've only got one bit.
06:16Butch, you donut, you were the one who said to her, I can't be the father because my bits
06:22don't work.
06:23Then you went and made another bird pregnant.
06:27You said it to her.
06:28Yeah.
06:29So then you've come out and said, what if my bits don't work, how can I make my bird pregnant?
06:33Because you told her your bits didn't work.
06:35You made that up that you couldn't have kids.
06:37Yeah, I did make that up.
06:39So you made it up and you told her I can't be a father.
06:41What about when she did the DNA test?
06:43You said, that's rubbish.
06:45Yeah, because it was.
06:46It was.
06:46Did it be?
06:47If I write my name on a bit of paper and I send it off for a DNA test, they're
06:51not cheap
06:52are they?
06:52They're going to be expensive.
06:53My mum paid £145 for that and then £12.99, what was it?
06:57Postage.
06:57I was talking.
06:59Postage and package.
07:00£12.99.
07:01Presumably that's why people come on the Jeremy Car Show because they come for a valid test
07:04that we pay for, right?
07:05Yeah.
07:06Why do you think that this child is not yours?
07:09I haven't said that she's not mine.
07:10Why have you only seen her then?
07:12Three times in 11 months.
07:13Why don't you put your finger around and do it sooner?
07:15Why am I going to go and see a child that I don't know?
07:17Then why didn't you phone this show ten months ago and get a DNA test that's absolutely kosher
07:21and top of the range and you'd have known and then if it was your kid, you could have
07:25seen her more than you have done.
07:27That's what I'm saying.
07:28I don't want to come on this show, do I?
07:29Do you see one of all these people?
07:30Well, if you went to work or got some money or paid for your own damn DNA test, you wouldn't
07:34be here in the first place, would you?
07:36Yeah.
07:36You've got to have the answers.
07:39You should have found this out a long time ago.
07:41Three times in 11 months.
07:43That's not good.
07:44All right, then.
07:44If she's pregnant...
07:45Your daughter, when's the date of birth?
07:46My daughter's date of birth is the 18th of the 12th of 2013.
07:49What, Kiana?
07:50No.
07:51I know it's Kiara, actually.
07:52Yeah, when's Kiara's birthday?
07:53I'm on the bat, my daughter.
07:54When's Kiara's birthday?
07:56Uh, August, I believe.
07:57August, I believe.
07:59July.
07:598th of July.
08:00I made a mistake.
08:01So, you don't even know when a child that could be yours, right, you don't even know
08:06when she's born or how old she is and you expect everybody to take you seriously,
08:09yeah?
08:10I didn't say that.
08:10I haven't said that at all.
08:11You could have done more.
08:13I could have done more, yeah.
08:13Then why didn't you?
08:14Because you're too busy playing happy families with your newborn but one that you made pregnant
08:18despite the fact your bits don't work.
08:20I haven't said that.
08:21She's not my child.
08:21Oh, she is.
08:21I have not once.
08:22Don't interrupt my talking.
08:24Listen to me.
08:24Don't talk to me like that, Rhys.
08:26I don't know who you think you are.
08:27Do not talk to me like that.
08:29I'm just going to sit back and take you.
08:30He talks to women like that, don't you?
08:30Yeah, of course I do, yeah.
08:31Yeah.
08:32You told my team that she wants you back.
08:35Yeah, I do.
08:35Why would she want you back?
08:37Why would she want you back?
08:38I think she's jealous because I'm happy with someone else and not her.
08:40Well, the one you made pregnant despite the fact your bits didn't work.
08:42I bet you play an happy family with that child.
08:44My question is if Kiara's yours, right, but you haven't been because you told my team
08:50I don't want any of this.
08:51It's easier for you to paint her as a, I don't know, some strange woman who had a one-night
08:57stand with you and pinned this on you.
08:58I could go with it, right, if you had done anything about this.
09:02But you haven't, have you?
09:03No, I haven't.
09:04We did everything.
09:04How does that leave her with an 11-month-old kid?
09:06She's told me she's got support.
09:08She doesn't need my support.
09:09What about her money?
09:10Did you go to work?
09:11I did have a job, yeah.
09:12You did have a job.
09:13We have said, we don't need his money.
09:15We don't need money.
09:15We just need him to be there for her.
09:17What do you make of her mum who's helping her bring up this kid?
09:20Vicky, right?
09:20Is that your mum's name?
09:21Yeah.
09:21I think she said things that she shouldn't have said.
09:24Now what?
09:25Well, things that she said about Tony.
09:27She said, why is Kiara getting a DNA test when Tony needs to get a DNA test?
09:31She said she needs to.
09:32She said, why is she when Tony isn't?
09:34She is obsessed with me.
09:35She looks just like you.
09:36She wants me back and she's jealous that I've got a family with my lovely new girlfriend.
09:40You really are irresistible to what...
09:41I said that, did I?
09:42She's obsessed with me.
09:43Yeah, I do think she's obsessed with me, yeah.
09:45Oh, so you did damn well say that, didn't you?
09:47Yeah, I said that.
09:48Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:48I do, from day one I've said that.
09:50She's obsessed with you.
09:51I could have missed the point here and you might not like this.
09:54But from where I'm stood, mate, right?
09:56I think you'd have been quite lucky to end up with a woman like this.
10:03Oh, here we go.
10:06Keep running from me, please.
10:08You can't keep running from me.
10:09I'll tell you what, we're going to get...
10:10We'll find out our...
10:11DNA.
10:12What the hell do you think you're doing on the Jeremy Kyle show?
10:14Let me tell you something.
10:15If you want to behave like that, you can do one.
10:17Have you got it?
10:18You want the results fit in the pod?
10:19Do one, because I'm not that bothered, okay?
10:23The DNA test results show the buster.
10:29Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
10:32Do you need a DNA test?
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11:01Hey.
11:02Oh, damn.
11:04I'm all right, I'm all right.
11:06Go out there.
11:06Oi.
11:08I'm scumming you.
11:09Who do you pick you up?
11:10Don't make sure.
11:11Come in.
11:12Come in.
11:13I don't want it.
11:14I don't want it.
11:15Okay.
11:16Do you want it?
11:16Well, I'll just crack them back.
11:28Thank you very much for being backstage with Char.
11:31So he left the stage and his new girlfriend went for you.
11:34For that I apologise.
11:35Oh, she actually attacked me.
11:36Yeah, well I will deal with that.
11:38We expect it from that sort of person.
11:40Well, this is your mum Vicky, welcome to the show.
11:42You are?
11:43Kirstie.
11:43I'm a best friend.
11:44The one thing that came through in all of this,
11:47and I loved what you said before the break,
11:49you were very calm and you said,
11:51we're not after you for money,
11:52and you just said to me during the break,
11:53how many people on this stage say,
11:55you ain't allowed to see your kid,
11:56you're not saying that.
11:57This guy, okay, and the way his girlfriend reacted
12:00tells me everything,
12:01but what I want to say to you guys is,
12:03we'll do this calmly and we'll do it properly,
12:05because I know that actually the most important thing for you
12:07is your kid and I respect you for being here.
12:09I'm going to ask you two on stage,
12:10you can go back in the audience,
12:11I'll go and find them.
12:12But you know what my old man used to say?
12:14Rise above, baby.
12:15Can you make sure there's someone out there to protect you?
12:16I promise you.
12:17You two come out with me, you go in the audience.
12:19Give her a round of applause, those of you going in.
12:23Steve, where's Steve?
12:25Right, you sit there.
12:29Don't worry.
12:32We're going to have a look.
12:35So, basically, he didn't like the fact that he was confronted,
12:38and he did one.
12:39And then the girlfriend,
12:41the current girlfriend,
12:42decided that it would be a good idea to attack the girl.
12:50You were me.
12:51What the hell do you think you're doing on the Jeremy Kyle show?
12:53Let me tell you something.
12:54If you want to behave like that,
12:55you can do one.
12:56Have you got it?
12:58Yeah?
12:59I don't like people to do what you just did.
13:01So, apologise on that camera or get out of my building right now.
13:04On that camera.
13:05Go on.
13:06Sorry.
13:08Emotion is one thing,
13:09but behaving like that,
13:10you come with me.
13:11You, if you move,
13:13it's done.
13:14Where's your boyfriend?
13:15I hope you don't condone that, do you?
13:17I hope you don't condone your girlfriend attacking.
13:20You said you wanted to come here and discover the truth, right?
13:23And for that, I accept that.
13:25I'll do the results, then do it.
13:29I encourage her side,
13:30then I'm hearing your side.
13:31You don't like something you're confronted of,
13:33you do one.
13:34You were big enough to say to me,
13:35yeah, I could have done more.
13:36Then you go off,
13:37and the next thing I see is your girlfriend,
13:39right?
13:40Who you made pregnant,
13:41despite the fact you're infertile.
13:42That's what you told a young girl.
13:43What?
13:44That's what you did, right?
13:45What do I get next?
13:47Is that?
13:48I'm happy to give you the results,
13:49but it's not going to work out here.
13:51Do you not want the results?
13:52I do want the results.
13:52I'm not saying you're bad.
13:55Do you not understand?
13:55You're making me look like I'm bad.
13:57That's exactly what I mean.
13:57Hold on a second.
13:59Your girlfriend just attacked your ex,
14:01and you were egging her on,
14:02on camera.
14:03That's right.
14:04Well, you just admitted it.
14:05Yeah?
14:05What?
14:06If you want the results,
14:07sit in the pod,
14:08do one,
14:08because I'm not that bothered, okay?
14:10Because I happen to believe your ex-girlfriend's spot on.
14:12You're happy with that,
14:13are you?
14:14You're happy with that?
14:15If you want the results,
14:16there's a way to behave.
14:17And egging your girlfriend on to attack somebody
14:19is not the way,
14:20all right?
14:21I'll deal with your girlfriend.
14:23Your ex-girlfriend.
14:30On camera,
14:31he's egging his bird on, right?
14:32Yeah.
14:32I put that to him,
14:33he said,
14:33I'm not coming on your stage,
14:34you can shove your show where the sun don't shine,
14:36right?
14:36All that.
14:38That's what he's like then,
14:39doesn't it?
14:39How did this get to this?
14:41Oh,
14:41all I've done is try and try and try and get to see her.
14:44The only time I've tried to contact him is to get to see her.
14:46But that's what I don't get about this story.
14:48You're not,
14:48as your mum said,
14:49sitting here saying,
14:50I don't want him,
14:51I don't want to be with him,
14:52I just want him to see her.
14:53It's not fair on her.
14:54Do you think the new girlfriend,
14:55judging by the way she behaved,
14:57has some sort of problem?
14:58Well,
14:58I didn't before,
14:59but now I do.
15:01We actually agreed to be civil before,
15:02for the girls sake.
15:03I didn't get before that break.
15:04He went,
15:05I want,
15:06I want to see my kid.
15:08And you said,
15:08I will do that.
15:10And then,
15:11I don't even mind if it's in a contact centre,
15:12so it's at our house.
15:13Do you know what?
15:13I think you might be right.
15:14It's interesting, isn't it,
15:15that the trouble in this part started with the girlfriend.
15:18Hmm.
15:18Is it jealousy?
15:19I think so.
15:20I think so, no.
15:21He just said to me,
15:22it's all your fault and your two fault.
15:24I said, sorry,
15:24we weren't in the pod egging your girlfriend on to hit your ex.
15:27You were, weren't you?
15:28And you went, yeah, but.
15:29What does that mean?
15:30Do you know?
15:30He hit the mother of his oldest child.
15:32Can I just say,
15:33before all this,
15:34before,
15:35as today started,
15:36we came here,
15:38both of us,
15:38with the one thought that if he would say,
15:41yes, I'll see Chiara every week.
15:43How nice of you.
15:44We would be happy.
15:45For Chiara's sake.
15:46And,
15:47I don't want him to see her no more,
15:49Jeremy.
15:49Don't blame you.
15:50I'll have it in a context,
15:51but I don't think she should be around our house.
15:53I find it unbelievable.
15:54And, and,
15:55and when I read this story this morning,
15:56if I'm being completely honest, right,
15:58you never know where the truth lies.
16:00But the truth is,
16:02oh, he's come back to his dressing room.
16:04Does he not want the results in?
16:05Because I'm just going to come out the same ones as we got.
16:07I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
16:08I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
16:09I'm going to get on with the show.
16:10We're going to ask you to chill in the green room.
16:12We're going to go to him in the dressing room.
16:13We'll film the rest of the show.
16:14We'll say to him,
16:15look, I'm not interested in your new bird.
16:17I'm certainly not interested in what you did.
16:18What I'm interested in is getting the truth about Chiara.
16:21They now have major reservations about whether this guy should be allowed near this kid.
16:25If by the end of the show,
16:26he's not interested,
16:27we'll give you the DNA results on camera at the end of the show.
16:30Is that all right?
16:30We'll ask you to hear.
16:31We'll get Graham in.
16:32Sorry for what happened to you.
16:33Give him a round of applause back in a minute.
16:37So like I said,
16:38at the end of today's show,
16:39we will give him a chance to come on that stage and get those DNA results.
16:43I have great admiration for her and her mother.
16:45They came here and said,
16:46look, we don't want him in our lives,
16:48but we know that he is our daughter's father.
16:51We want him to be involved.
16:53His behaviour, and certainly his current girlfriend's behaviour,
16:55completely unacceptable,
16:56but wait till the end of the show.
16:57We'll see if we can sort it out.
16:58We'll continue though this morning with next guest Holly,
17:00who's here to confront her brother's girlfriend, Claire,
17:03who she says has brainwashed her brother into thinking
17:06her three-week-old daughter is his.
17:08She's desperate to tell Claire that she's not good enough for her brother
17:11and if DNA proves he's not the child's dad,
17:13then she wants him to leave her for good strong words.
17:17Holly's on the Jeremy Carl Show.
17:19Give her a round of applause.
17:22How are you?
17:23Rock it, rock it.
17:25You look ready for action as well.
17:27I am, yes.
17:28How are you?
17:28I'm okay.
17:29Right, let's just lay out some people here.
17:31Buster is your brother.
17:33Claire is his girlfriend.
17:35You and the family, it seems, believe that this girl has brainwashed your brother.
17:40Tell me more.
17:41How long they've been together?
17:42Into believing that her three-week-old baby is his.
17:45That's serious brainwashing.
17:46Yeah, they've been together about a year and a half.
17:49Okay.
17:49Did you never approve?
17:50No.
17:51Why?
17:52Because we tried to talk and get on with each other,
17:55but she was too intimidating.
17:57She liked to bully, call me names,
18:01and I've about had enough of her,
18:03and I really would like my brother to...
18:05She's been very, very vocal about you.
18:06She says basically that you are stirring it,
18:10you've brainwashed him, you've stuck your nose in,
18:13you do it because you've got no life of your own
18:15and, frankly, you should leave them to get on with their life.
18:18Tell me about Claire.
18:19What's she like?
18:20A bully.
18:21How?
18:22What do you mean by that?
18:23It's a good phrase to use, but what does it mean?
18:26Erm...
18:26More to, like, erm...
18:29I don't know how to explain it, really.
18:31Does she grab at his heartstrings?
18:33I mean, they had a barney last night at the hotel, didn't they?
18:35Yeah.
18:35They had to be removed from in different separate rooms.
18:39She threatened to leave last night?
18:41Yeah.
18:41Do you think she threatened to leave because she knows he ain't the dad?
18:44Er, I think so.
18:45He rang me last night crying.
18:47Shut up!
18:48Rang me last night crying because he was a little bit upset.
18:51She went downstairs into her friend's room and left Buster on his own.
18:54You told my team, I mean, these are strong words from her sister,
18:58I would do anything to split them up even if I had to set my brother up with another girl.
19:03I would, yeah.
19:04One hundred percent.
19:05Because I don't like her.
19:07How old is this child?
19:08Three weeks.
19:09This could be your niece.
19:10Nephew?
19:11Niece.
19:11How many times have you seen the child?
19:13I haven't seen the child.
19:13So you've never seen the niece and the rest of the family.
19:16Erm...
19:16Is she stopping you from seeing the kid?
19:18Yeah.
19:19Well, she says that's because you're trying to ruin a relationship.
19:21No, I'm not trying to ruin a relationship.
19:22She's also saying it's quite interesting because we are going to go to a break
19:25and Claire's going to be out next.
19:26What's interesting is you say it's always her that speaks.
19:29Not Buster, it's always her.
19:30Yeah.
19:31She says, and I quote, we planned the baby.
19:33Yes, we've had problems.
19:35He should believe me and they, all of them, should butt out.
19:38Right?
19:39We're going to go to an ad break.
19:41Claire's next on the Jeremy Kyle show.
19:43Do not go anywhere.
19:44I'm right back.
19:45You genuinely don't think he's a father.
19:47How would you know that?
19:48Look at you.
19:48You've just got to look at her.
19:49And she is a double of your brother, mate.
19:52Well, I don't see it.
19:52Yeah.
19:53Because all you're seeing is pictures.
19:56The DNA test results show the Buster.
20:00She got pregnant at a young age, but before that, was she troubled?
20:03She's been troubled since the day she was born.
20:11You've wrecked a load of people's lives.
20:16Hopefully, the next idiot that you come across won't believe as much stuff when I've watched the wonderful Jeremy Kyle
20:22show.
20:24If you want to tell me anything, come out the toilet now or we're done.
20:29What about the prostitution?
20:31Selling a baby's pram for crack.
20:33Is that okay?
20:36Oh!
20:37Oh, yeah.
20:38Oh, yeah.
20:41Ritten's worse, man.
20:42You're dived and shaved.
20:43What are you doing here?
20:45You want your five minutes of fat?
20:46It's fat.
20:49We're not chasing you this time.
20:50Does this face look bothered?
20:52Bothered.
20:53You're just supposed to be the Jeremy Kyle show!
20:55That's why I'm standing there.
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21:46Welcome back for the break.
21:47Talking to Holly here, you say, to convince your brother Buster
21:50to leave this, I don't know, bullying, control-freaking partner, Claire.
21:54So bad is she, you say, that she's even convinced him or brainwashing him
21:58to believe in that her three-week-old baby is his.
22:01You don't like her at all, do you?
22:02No.
22:03Let's get her out.
22:04Claire's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
22:05She's next.
22:12I don't know what to do with you, because he's told me everything, doc.
22:15That's all right.
22:16Yeah.
22:17Buster, he knows for 100%.
22:19Come on.
22:19This baby is his.
22:20And you, I'm just a dead old.
22:22What, don't even want me and Buster to be together?
22:24I think you need to look at yourself.
22:25Yeah, all right.
22:25You need to look at yourself.
22:26All right, then.
22:27All right, then.
22:27You see what you're saying?
22:28Judge yourself.
22:28Yeah.
22:29Judge with the people.
22:29Yeah.
22:30Judge with the people.
22:31Me and Buster were perfect until Ollie stuck her nose in.
22:34Yeah, that's right.
22:34Why would she do that?
22:35Because, right, what is, right, I've had a three weeks old baby.
22:38Fair enough, I've got another little girl as well.
22:40It's going to be too hard for me to run two babies on my own.
22:43Yeah.
22:43He left me and went back to Nottingham for three weeks,
22:46and he come back as I was a week ready to drop.
22:49What is the problem here?
22:51They are.
22:51And why did he come and see me?
22:53Yes, but you put ideas in his head.
22:56You were controlling him.
22:57No, no, no, no.
22:58You were kicking him out.
22:59Why do you think Ollie and the family have got an agenda against you?
23:02Because they don't like me.
23:03Is that true?
23:04She's met me once, Jeremy.
23:05Why don't they like you?
23:06I don't know.
23:07This is why I'm sure she's met me once.
23:09The reason why I don't like you is because my brother's forever ringing me,
23:11crying his eyes out to me.
23:12No, he's not crying, Ollie.
23:13Yes, he is.
23:14He's sat with me while he's ringing you.
23:16He's telling me how horrible you are, yeah,
23:18and how much you're brainwashing,
23:20and how much you don't look after him.
23:20What's your problem to say about you?
23:21When it comes down to your heart,
23:23he's got away the other day,
23:25blessing his cotton socks,
23:26gave all his clothes away.
23:27It's not what he's been saying to my partner on the phone.
23:29Is he the father to your child?
23:30Yes, he is.
23:31So where's the doubt that he's the father to you?
23:33He's.
23:33That's the doubt.
23:34You genuinely don't think he's the father?
23:36How would you know that you're not there?
23:37Look at you.
23:38You've just got to look at her,
23:39and she is a double of your brother, mate.
23:41Well, I don't see it.
23:42Yeah.
23:42Because you're seeing it as pictures.
23:45Didn't he leave you when you were three weeks from giving birth?
23:48What was that all about?
23:49Well, we had an argument again.
23:51We're always on and off arguing,
23:52but we always manage to sort it out.
23:54But we can't sort things out when they're getting involved.
23:56And, yeah,
23:56he left me when I was three weeks ready to drop.
23:59It went down there.
24:00She's putting stuff in his head
24:01where he couldn't come back.
24:02He's even told me this.
24:03Where he can't come back.
24:04So we've got a bloke,
24:05who, by the way,
24:05is in Cabinet City because you can't bear it, right?
24:08Who's being pulled between his family and his partner.
24:11You say the three-week-old baby is definitely his.
24:13She's poisoned.
24:14They're stirring it.
24:15You say there's something that doesn't add up.
24:17Who's Vivian?
24:18My best mate.
24:19Let's get Vivian on the Jeremy Kyle show.
24:20She's coming out.
24:21Give her a round of applause.
24:25How are you?
24:27I'm all right, darling, Jim.
24:29What's your view of this story?
24:30Do you know what?
24:30I've been my best friends with Claire
24:32since we've been four years old.
24:33You told my team Holly's completely jealous.
24:35Yeah, that's what I reckon it is.
24:37Why would I be jealous?
24:38Because I've seen the messages of both on you,
24:40both sides.
24:41Yeah, which both messages are mad.
24:42And I don't think it's right.
24:43Listen to her.
24:44Both of them.
24:45And it shouldn't be happening.
24:47You should, after this,
24:48you need to go on
24:49or just go your separate ways.
24:51The only way I'm going to move on
24:52is Buster stops ringing me
24:53and crying to me
24:54telling you that you've kicked him out.
24:56Let's just get Buster.
24:57He's a little bit nervous.
24:58Buster's on the plasma.
24:59Can you put him through, please?
25:00Buster, serious question.
25:02You're happy with Claire, yeah?
25:03Yeah.
25:04Why do you keep phoning your sister
25:05and moaning and bitching
25:06about your relationship then?
25:08I don't know.
25:11I don't know.
25:13You don't?
25:14No.
25:14So you don't ever phone Holly and moan?
25:16Well, yeah, I do phone Holly and moan.
25:17Why would you moan to her
25:18when you're with her?
25:20Because you're causing all of this?
25:23Because it's like,
25:24when me and Claire have an argument,
25:26it's like she'll turn around
25:27and say stuff to me
25:28that I don't even like.
25:30That's called life, mate.
25:31You make your bed,
25:32you lie in it.
25:32Isn't that the reason?
25:33Here's the problem.
25:34It's very simple.
25:35Thank you, Buster.
25:36You and him are together.
25:37He, right,
25:39it's not about you two,
25:40it's about him.
25:40No, no, he goes.
25:41When he does,
25:41I'm speaking, shut up.
25:43When, right,
25:44he doesn't like something that you do,
25:46he runs to his family.
25:48That colours their view of you
25:50and vice versa.
25:51When he gets to you,
25:52he slags off his bird.
25:53The person that's causing this,
25:55with the greatest respect of both of you,
25:56is Buster, full stop.
25:58I got a statement.
25:59Who's Tracy?
26:00Yours and Buster's mum.
26:01Yeah.
26:01I haven't seen my son
26:02since before the baby was born
26:03because Claire is so controlling.
26:05She won't let him see his family.
26:06She won't even let him out of the house.
26:08I'm 50-50 as to whether the baby is Buster's,
26:10but even if it is,
26:11or he needs to,
26:12or is not,
26:13he needs to grow a backbone
26:14and realise that he should stand up to Claire.
26:16Any doubts that Buster's the father?
26:19No doubts.
26:19If he is the father,
26:21I understand you can...
26:22I'd like to give an apology.
26:23All right, well,
26:23let's just do those results,
26:24first and foremost.
26:25But the point is,
26:26he's run between,
26:27I'm not having a go,
26:28at either of you,
26:29but you are victims of a situation.
26:31It's the old thing.
26:32Aww.
26:37Buster's watching this.
26:38Sweet.
26:39How old?
26:39She's four weeks tomorrow.
26:41How is she?
26:42Is she all right?
26:42Yes, perfect.
26:43And is he any good with her?
26:44Er, kind of.
26:46Not really,
26:46because people keep putting darts into his head.
26:49The DNA test results show that Buster...
26:52is.
26:52Is, the father.
26:53He is the child's biological father.
26:56The father.
26:57Hello.
26:57Hello, brother.
26:59Now, Buster...
27:01Buster...
27:02Buster is watching this.
27:03Very nervous,
27:03doesn't want to come on.
27:04I understand that.
27:05My point is this.
27:06For me,
27:06this is very simple,
27:08okay?
27:09She's just had a baby.
27:11She might be,
27:12and you should listen to this,
27:13my friend.
27:14She might be the most heinous woman in the world,
27:16in your family's mind,
27:18but that is only because of what that man has told you.
27:22And you.
27:23I'm sure he's slagged the family off to you.
27:26And Buster,
27:26you have to understand,
27:27my friend,
27:28you've got a baby.
27:29It's time to man up.
27:31When you get in a relationship,
27:32you're pretty blimmin' naive
27:34to think it goes well the whole time.
27:36When it goes wrong with Claire,
27:38go for a walk and clear your head.
27:39Don't phone your family and bitch and moan about her,
27:42and go round to them and slag her off,
27:43because what you're doing
27:44is you're driving a wedge
27:46between your girlfriend and your family,
27:48and the only person who's going to suffer is you,
27:50and ultimately that baby.
27:51I don't think she's a bad person,
27:53I just think she's looking out for her brother.
27:55Yeah, she probably is,
27:56but they need to back off a bit.
27:57Buster, this is you, okay?
27:59Have your relationship,
28:01have your family,
28:02keep them separate
28:03and stop trying to bring them into conflict,
28:05because this is all caused by you.
28:06Do you agree with that?
28:07Yeah.
28:08Do you agree with that?
28:09Yeah.
28:10Promise?
28:11Yeah.
28:12You're going to say sorry to each other?
28:13I just, I apologise to you, Claire.
28:15How about that?
28:16I just had my doubts, innit?
28:17You know,
28:18I'm just looking out for Buster
28:19because I care about him a lot.
28:20It can start now.
28:21It's almost like he's come between you.
28:23She speaks sense.
28:24It's about the child, all right?
28:25Yeah.
28:25We'll talk about it backstage.
28:26You happy?
28:27You go that way,
28:28you two go that way,
28:28and you grow a pair and be a man.
28:30Here you are.
28:32There.
28:32Thank you very much indeed, all right?
28:33See you later.
28:34Take care, darling.
28:36Good luck to them.
28:36And after the break on this stage,
28:37a mother who is desperate
28:38to tell her daughter to stop sleeping around,
28:41stop doing that
28:42and start being a mum.
28:43We're right back.
28:43If he's got a bag of MCAT
28:45or a couple of grams,
28:46she'd drop it for anybody.
28:47No,
28:47but if somebody did it on me.
28:49He do.
28:49What?
28:50Yeah,
28:50right.
28:50I've been the 21-year-old
28:51on holiday,
28:52my daughter in the car van.
28:55This is how I'm going to finish
28:57the Jeremy Kyle show
28:57for the first time ever in history.
28:59I've got it on camera,
29:00you touching your birds back
29:02and going,
29:02and I quote,
29:03go on,
29:04finish her off.
29:05And that's going out.
29:09Find out who is the father of the baby.
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29:45Thank you,
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29:46Welcome back.
29:47So,
29:47my next guest today,
29:48Sharon,
29:48is here as she claims
29:49her 21-year-old daughter,
29:50Emma,
29:51is quite literally out of control.
29:52Sharon says,
29:53Emma is more interested
29:54in sleeping around
29:55and taking drugs
29:56than being a mother
29:57to her young daughter
29:58and Sharon says,
29:59you know what,
30:00I've had enough of a behavior
30:01and unless it changes,
30:02I really,
30:02I can't do this anymore.
30:04I'm done with you.
30:05Grow up
30:06and be responsible.
30:07Sharon's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
30:09Give her a round of applause.
30:16Thank you very much for coming on.
30:19This really is,
30:20and I take this the right way,
30:22I guess a mother
30:23who's at the end of her tether.
30:24Oh, yeah.
30:25Don't have a thing,
30:25can't do anymore.
30:26Well,
30:27let's just get some facts.
30:28Emma's 21.
30:30Before we talk about her behavior,
30:32how old is her child?
30:33Five,
30:34six,
30:34six.
30:35And you,
30:36you are bringing this child up.
30:38I do everything.
30:39I buy her clothes.
30:40When they've got no food,
30:41I take her down food.
30:42I give her money.
30:43I do everything together.
30:44Let's just go back.
30:45She got pregnant
30:46at a young age,
30:47but before that,
30:48was she,
30:49was she trouble?
30:50Oh my God,
30:51she's been trouble
30:51since she was born.
30:52Now she's into
30:55MCAT,
30:56Coke,
30:57getting drunk,
30:58bottles.
30:58She was told at 11
30:59to stop drinking
31:00because she was on Volker.
31:01We never knew
31:02nothing about it.
31:04She tells people
31:06I'm dead
31:06and I get phone calls
31:07with commiserations.
31:10When you were,
31:11when she was being
31:12brought up,
31:13were you with her
31:14the whole time?
31:15Yeah,
31:15I had a bad marriage,
31:17but I've always...
31:18Did she go into care?
31:21For a couple of months.
31:23See,
31:23where I come from
31:24and I could miss the point
31:25entirely
31:25and you might dislike me
31:26at the end of this sentence,
31:27but really,
31:28I don't really care.
31:29You see,
31:29where I come from,
31:30behaviour's learnt
31:31and I don't think
31:32in nine and a half years,
31:34in the bottom of my feet
31:35to the top of my head,
31:36I've felt more angry
31:37about a 49-year-old mother
31:39sat on this stage
31:40saying,
31:41my daughter's such a pain
31:42in the backside.
31:43No.
31:43What sort of mother
31:44were you then
31:45to actually say that?
31:47Because...
31:47You tell me,
31:48you tell me,
31:49you tell me what she's done.
31:51Because I'm dying,
31:52I'm going to die very young,
31:53I've got a brain tumour,
31:54a bad heart,
31:55she gives me grief every day,
31:57she brings blokes
31:57to my house with trouble,
31:59I've brought her baby up
32:00since she was five years old,
32:02even now,
32:03Monday,
32:03I gave her food,
32:04I gave her gas,
32:05electric,
32:06to try to make her
32:07stay in her house
32:08and be a mother.
32:09Why won't she be a mother?
32:10Have you tried
32:10showing her teaching?
32:12I've asked her,
32:12she's scared to be on her own
32:13with a baby on her own.
32:15Have you tried to show her
32:15how to cope?
32:16Oh my God,
32:17I've gone down there,
32:18I've done her house,
32:18took her food,
32:19I've offered to paint her house,
32:20do her garden.
32:21One thing I will give you credit for,
32:23and I meant,
32:24well she's 21,
32:25you say she slept with 100 blokes,
32:26and I didn't know about your illness,
32:27but one thing I will say to you,
32:29it's the first thing I said to the producer
32:30in the meeting this morning.
32:31People,
32:31do you correct?
32:33600 people?
32:36The thing that I didn't really like
32:38when I read this story this morning
32:39was Emma's opening line,
32:41which is,
32:41my mother's and my relationship
32:43has always been volatile,
32:45she's never been there for me,
32:47she's not a very good mother,
32:49and I'm going to defend you
32:50as I ask her out
32:51by asking her to come out
32:52and answer this question.
32:54If your mum Sharon's
32:55such a dreadful,
32:56dreadful human being,
32:57it was no good,
32:58why the hell have you left
32:59your daughter with her
33:00for the last three years?
33:01We've been out getting drunk
33:02and having sex with strangers.
33:04Emma's on the Joe and the Kyle show.
33:08You can answer that.
33:12Go on then,
33:13answer that then.
33:15If she's such an appalling mother,
33:16why have you left your child
33:17with her while she's gone out
33:18and had sex with anybody
33:19and everybody
33:20and get drunk and take drugs?
33:22Why aren't you bringing up
33:23your own child?
33:24She has contacts.
33:24I do bring them up.
33:26I go in the bus
33:27past seven every morning
33:28and take her a mile journey
33:30to school on a bus.
33:31I do it twice a day.
33:34A bus ticket, 18 pounds.
33:35I want to hear for her.
33:36Ready, cut the money.
33:38Yeah, I'll have the money.
33:39Who's that?
33:40Yeah, the bus fell off me.
33:41Who's that shouting out?
33:42My sister.
33:43I want to hear from you, Emma.
33:44Welcome to the show.
33:44I want both sides.
33:45I said some things to your mother.
33:46I'll say some things to you.
33:48My relationship with my mother
33:49has always been volatile.
33:50Why?
33:50What do you mean by that?
33:51Because the way that we were brought up.
33:53The way that things happened in life.
33:54How were you brought up?
33:55Tell me.
33:56Well, lies, secrets.
33:58Say your sister Jackie
33:59and other members of your family,
34:00they haven't reacted in the same way
34:02and they certainly don't use it
34:04as an excuse for your behaviour.
34:06She was always mummy's pest.
34:08Where was I?
34:09That's what this is.
34:09I was always...
34:10Be quiet, Jackie.
34:11Stop shouting.
34:12I was always coming back.
34:13Tell her to shut up.
34:14That's what this is about.
34:15Oi, oi.
34:15Listen to me.
34:16Seriously.
34:17I didn't sleep with loads of people, though.
34:18Yeah, I've gone out drinking.
34:19I've gone and took drugs,
34:20but I've regretted every single bit of it.
34:22That's why I'm here.
34:23Listen.
34:23To fix it.
34:25I want to stop drugs.
34:26I went on drugs for everything that went on.
34:29My...
34:30Stop blaming everybody else.
34:32Because of it.
34:32You know,
34:33if it weren't for anything that went on,
34:35I probably wouldn't have done it.
34:35She can't go and get a decent boyfriend.
34:37If he's got a bag of MCAT
34:38or a couple of grams,
34:39she'd drop an...
34:40Anybody.
34:41No, somebody do love me.
34:42You do.
34:43What?
34:43Since you sleep with a 21-year-old on holiday,
34:46my daughter in the car van.
34:47So what?
34:48Last year?
34:48So what?
34:49You're 14?
34:50Oh, what?
34:51So what?
34:52So what?
34:52You're only jealous
34:53because you didn't...
34:55Sorry,
34:55can I say something
34:57which you might not like?
34:58So last year...
34:58Excuse me.
35:00Last year on holiday,
35:01you...
35:01Yeah?
35:02I've been on holiday.
35:02I've been on a 25-year-old.
35:04But you had sex with him?
35:05Yes.
35:06Where the hell do you think she gets it from?
35:08It's learned behaviour, isn't it?
35:09No.
35:09No.
35:09That was the whole student.
35:11In 10 years...
35:12In 10 years...
35:14In 10 years,
35:15because of my health...
35:16And my...
35:17I have slept with two people.
35:20People in 10 years.
35:21Not two people in a week or a day.
35:23You might...
35:24You might not like this,
35:25all of you,
35:26but I'm going to do my best.
35:27And the only way that we do this
35:28is to be honest.
35:28You see, I've read everything here, right?
35:30And you touched upon it just there.
35:32I'm the outsider.
35:33I was never this,
35:34I was never that.
35:34But she's not...
35:35No, no, no.
35:35Listen to me.
35:37Serious question.
35:38Without your daughter looking at you
35:40or scowling at you...
35:41Yeah.
35:41Go the other way.
35:42Don't be horrible, love.
35:43Yeah.
35:43Could you have done a better job
35:44as a mum to me,
35:45nobody else?
35:46No, I'll tell you what it is.
35:48I...
35:48We had a bad marriage.
35:50Could you have done better by her?
35:52No, no.
35:52Are you using her daughter
35:53as a substitute
35:54to make right what you got
35:56running in the past?
35:56No, I tried to get her to...
35:57I had that baby for six weeks.
35:59She says she won't let her see the kids.
36:00I had that baby for six weeks.
36:02Would she be here
36:02if she didn't care about the baby?
36:04She's here because
36:04she doesn't care about the baby.
36:06She's here because I can't get her
36:08to stay home and be a mother.
36:09Listen to her then.
36:10What does she care about the baby?
36:11My house is beautiful.
36:12I have a two-bed house
36:13at the age of 21.
36:14Yeah.
36:14I'll private rent.
36:15I've got my daughter.
36:16How is it?
36:17It's trashed.
36:18Oh, the audience can see my house
36:19and I think they'll...
36:20Everything I've given you
36:21since you've had that
36:22and that house,
36:23you've smashed it.
36:24What's the point of helping you do it now, sir?
36:25I've got a bit of an anger problem
36:26with one thing.
36:27You've got an anger problem, yes.
36:29Who's Jackie?
36:31Jackie's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
36:32She's going to start.
36:33I agree with you.
36:35I actually agree with you.
36:40Hello, golden girl.
36:41How are you?
36:42Do you think that your mother...
36:43My mum has done everything,
36:45everything for you.
36:47She bends...
36:47She'll ring up, yeah,
36:49because she's spent her money
36:49on God knows what.
36:50Yeah, she's got no food
36:51and I'm having...
36:52I'm having to drive down
36:53to mum's house
36:54to pick up food
36:55and God knows what
36:56to bring to yours.
36:56don't be so often.
36:57No, no, no.
36:58I was half of them.
36:58I bring bagfuls.
37:00Bagfuls are down to food.
37:01Yes, I do.
37:02Yes, I do.
37:02Yes, I do.
37:03How many items?
37:05How many items?
37:06All right, your daughter...
37:07Your daughter is six years old.
37:08How many items of clothing
37:10have you brought your daughter?
37:11No.
37:11Mum, mum, is everything.
37:12What, I'm not going to let them
37:13go to her house.
37:14I don't get them back.
37:15Was your mother a good mother?
37:17Yeah.
37:17Does she make mistakes?
37:18Yes.
37:19But what mother?
37:20What mother?
37:20What person?
37:21I've got three kids.
37:24I completely agree with you.
37:25But you do not penalise your mother
37:30for every little mistake.
37:31Here's my thing I don't get, Jack.
37:32Did you know it was that bad?
37:33Why do you have to go with her all the time then?
37:34Well, that's my point.
37:35She took me to court for contact
37:37when she got in the end.
37:38Yes, and excuse me.
37:38But Emma, if she was so bad,
37:41she'd not answered the question,
37:42why would she go there so regularly?
37:45Could she be in social services
37:46or this, that, the other?
37:47Well, maybe she's a concerned grandmother.
37:49Is she trying to take her off me?
37:52She wants her.
37:53She's gone out in front of people,
37:54on drugs, partying.
37:56With her daughter in the next bedroom,
37:58I'm going to social services.
38:00No, I don't.
38:00She's in the service.
38:01Somebody in the car about with her.
38:03Do you cope on your own?
38:05Sometimes, no.
38:06Right.
38:06When you don't cope...
38:08That's because I'm alone.
38:09I'm lonely.
38:11Sharon, at those moments
38:13when she's alone
38:14and she can't cope
38:15or the house is full of druggies
38:16or whatever you said,
38:17you, as a concerned grandmother,
38:20jump in.
38:20Yes or no?
38:21Yes.
38:22Have you...
38:26Have you made mistakes?
38:29Yes.
38:30Are you grateful for your mother
38:32doing what she does,
38:33although to you it might be overpowering?
38:35Because surely if she's such a devil,
38:36you would have put the child somewhere else.
38:37Yes or no?
38:38Sometimes.
38:39Yeah.
38:40Do you believe that you could spend
38:41a bit more time showing her
38:42how to be a better mother
38:43rather than telling her
38:44that she's the worst daughter
38:45in the history
38:46of the British universe?
38:47Just a question.
38:48I went out with her.
38:48I've got food.
38:49I've got shopping.
38:51Hang on.
38:52I've got food, shopping, gas.
38:53Have you ever...
38:54How old are you?
38:5521.
38:55Well, let me tell you
38:56as a man who's the same age
38:57as your mother,
38:57there is a point in your life
38:58where you think,
38:59I can't take any more
39:00and I've done everything
39:01I've done, can do.
39:02And do you know what?
39:03If you can't handle it,
39:04that's where she's at.
39:05She's just at the top of her...
39:06She can't take any more.
39:07She spoke instead of...
39:09Yes, I agree.
39:11We have sat down, sorry,
39:13we have sat down
39:13with you loads and loads of times,
39:15with all of the kids out of the way.
39:16No, we have.
39:17We have sat down.
39:18Will you do me a favour?
39:19We have sat down.
39:20I have sat down without mum.
39:21I've sat down without mum
39:22and tried talking to you
39:23and you don't listen.
39:24Will you do me a favour?
39:25Without saying anything,
39:26you can nod or shake your head.
39:27I happen to believe
39:29that this is deep-seated,
39:31isn't about now,
39:32probably isn't about the daughter.
39:34I think there's resentment
39:34from your point of view.
39:36I think there's a lot of resentment
39:37from your point of view.
39:38It's the judge.
39:39She was beautiful.
39:40She was beautiful.
39:41A good mum, good girl.
39:42Do you understand saying...
39:44What do you do
39:45when a girl brings the peace to your door?
39:47I know.
39:47You don't need to say it anymore.
39:48God knows, she's five years old.
39:49Will you,
39:50will you both sit somewhere?
39:53We'll do this as a show,
39:54but we'll do it away from here
39:56and we'll do it without Jackie,
39:57we'll do it professionally.
39:59You need to listen to each other.
40:00She said it and I've said it.
40:01You don't.
40:02You spar.
40:03Do you want to know
40:03why you spar more than anything?
40:05And this is the ironic truth
40:06about this story.
40:07Guess what?
40:08I try stopping her
40:09from being on your drugs.
40:10Guess what?
40:11You don't try stopping her.
40:12Guess what, you two?
40:14You're like two peas
40:15in the same damn pod.
40:17You're exactly the same.
40:18Get me up.
40:19I love her to bits.
40:20There you are.
40:21I love her.
40:21I love her to bits.
40:22I absolutely love her to bits.
40:23So stop going round in circles.
40:24You two are going to do this
40:26and you're going to do it
40:26at our time and our expense
40:28and you're going to make this work
40:29because that's your mother
40:30and that's your daughter
40:31and she and I have had enough.
40:32Shake on it
40:33and I mean it right now.
40:34We've done everything to help you.
40:35You two that way,
40:36you that way.
40:37Graham's waiting.
40:38Give him a round of applause.
40:39Go.
40:42Good luck to them.
40:44Before we finish this morning,
40:45you'll remember our first story.
40:46We had Char.
40:47We had a mum, Vicky.
40:48We had Reese.
40:49It was about a second DNA.
40:50The first one was private.
40:51He didn't believe it.
40:52She said,
40:53I don't want your money, right?
40:54I'm not interested in your money.
40:55I'll tell you what I want.
40:56I want you to step up
40:58and be a father to the daughter.
40:59He got very angry.
41:00He rushed off stage.
41:01The girlfriend, Becky,
41:02attacked Char.
41:03We said we'd try and sort this out.
41:05Char and her mum, Vicky,
41:06are here at the end of the show,
41:08as I said.
41:09Are you all right, guys?
41:10And also the friend,
41:11what's your name again?
41:12Kirstie.
41:13How are you?
41:13Hi.
41:14You all right?
41:14I just want to have a quick word
41:15with you all.
41:16Most of all you, Vicky.
41:18Your daughter came to this show
41:19very calmly and said,
41:21I don't want to be with this bloke,
41:22whatever he says.
41:22I just basically want to prove
41:26that he's the father
41:26and I want to step up
41:27for my daughter's sake.
41:29He was okay
41:30and then his girlfriend
41:32attacked your daughter.
41:33That's right.
41:34I personally,
41:35you don't want anyone like that
41:36associated with my granddaughter.
41:39He doesn't deserve to be a father.
41:41She feels threatened by Charlotte.
41:42Anything else,
41:43what it is, Charlotte,
41:44on a serious note,
41:44you think she's threatened by you?
41:46Jealous of you?
41:46I didn't before the show,
41:47but now, after that,
41:49I...
41:49You said at the beginning
41:50of the show
41:51and you were very adamant,
41:52you said,
41:52look, I don't want to be back with him
41:53despite him saying
41:54you're obsessed with him.
41:54I find that hard to believe myself
41:55that there you go.
41:56Yeah, he's a...
41:57Well, that's your opinion.
41:59You can't say stuff like that.
42:01He is.
42:02Stop.
42:03I want to try,
42:04can you do me a favour?
42:05Becky,
42:06more than anything,
42:07I want her to come and apologise.
42:08Where is she?
42:09You just get her to come round.
42:11Just get her to come round.
42:12I'm not moving.
42:12She needs to come and apologise
42:14on national television
42:15for what she did to this girl
42:16because it's not her business.
42:17I'm not...
42:18Don't worry about it.
42:20You can...
42:20Steve,
42:21can you come over here, please?
42:22Because they do feel slightly dubious.
42:26She's shaking her head.
42:27Well, she doesn't want...
42:28If you don't...
42:28Oh, she is coming to apologise.
42:33Because that sort of behaviour
42:34is completely unacceptable
42:35and I won't have it.
42:36It's about a child.
42:39Why would you act like that?
42:40Can you hurry up, love?
42:40I'm a busy man.
42:42Come and apologise now.
42:43It's not even anything to do with her.
42:46Just to let you know,
42:47your ex-boyfriend, by the way,
42:48is hiding out the back.
42:50Leave this to me.
42:51That sounds about right.
42:53Right, I'll do this now
42:55and I'll do it on camera.
42:56You, right,
42:56your boyfriend's hiding out the back
42:58threatening to hit anybody,
42:59including him.
42:59You are going to apologise to her
43:01for what you did
43:02because it's none of your business,
43:03this story,
43:03and you are out of order.
43:04You jealous of her?
43:05No, sorry.
43:07I've never, ever done that
43:08in my entire life.
43:09You're a thug.
43:10Mum, please.
43:11I've never, ever done that
43:12and I'm so sorry.
43:13He egged you on, didn't he?
43:14He is.
43:15Pardon?
43:16Did he egg you on?
43:17I've got it on camera
43:18with him going,
43:19go on,
43:19and I'm going to tell everybody
43:20watching this.
43:22We've got it on camera
43:23with him tapping on the back
43:24going, go on, do her.
43:26We've got it.
43:26We checked it, right?
43:28You, do you know what
43:29somebody just said to me earlier
43:30before we did this
43:30and you might have your opinion?
43:32Even you're better than that.
43:35Even you're better than that.
43:38Can you give me those results, please?
43:39Where are the results?
43:41Can somebody give me
43:42the results, please?
43:44I've never done it in my time.
43:45Take your hand.
43:46It's fine.
43:47It's fine.
43:48I don't like that.
43:49That's not.
43:49Can I get the results, please?
43:52Thank you very much indeed.
43:54I will say one thing.
43:57That took some doing
43:58to come back here
43:59and say sorry.
44:00I'd love to apologise.
44:00And maybe,
44:02maybe he did a job
44:03on her as well.
44:04I think so.
44:05Yeah, definitely.
44:05I think he's a thug love.
44:07What sort of man
44:08sends his girlfriend out
44:09to face us
44:10and he's hiding around there
44:11going,
44:12I'll hit anywhere.
44:13I've got him doing this.
44:15Finish her off.
44:16I've got it on camera
44:16and I'll say that
44:17to anybody in any...
44:18I'm quite happy
44:19that you are to be in your life.
44:20The DNA test results
44:21show that Rhys,
44:23of course,
44:24he's the child's
44:25biological father.
44:26So will you do me a favour?
44:27Thank you, Captain.
44:28Will you come with me?
44:30Will you come with me?
44:31All of you,
44:32I'm down.
44:32The four of you
44:33can walk together.
44:33Where is this?
44:34Where is this?
44:35Where is he?
44:39And I want you
44:40to witness this
44:41and I want you
44:41to witness this
44:42because this bloke
44:43has been doing...
44:44He's going to run away.
44:45I predict any money
44:46he's going to do one.
44:47He's been doing this
44:48for the last half an hour.
44:57You're running off?
45:00Child's yours, mate.
45:01And by the way,
45:02for your information,
45:02this is how I'm going to finish
45:03the Jeremy Kyle show
45:04for the first time ever
45:05in history.
45:06I've got it on camera,
45:07you touching your bird's back
45:09and going,
45:09and I quote,
45:10go on, finish her off.
45:12And that's going out.
45:13And if I have anything
45:14to do with it,
45:14you'll never see you, kid,
45:15because you don't deserve to.
45:17Now do one.
45:18That's the man
45:19you're going out with.
45:20That's the man
45:21you're going out with.
45:22Just watch him.
45:23He has anger problems.
45:24Yes, he does.
45:25We'll deal with his anger problems,
45:27but you are not going
45:28on my show
45:28tapping a woman on the back
45:30going, finish her off.
45:32It's a young girl.
45:33He is perfect.
45:34He is so lovely.
45:36Come here, come here, come here.
45:37He's a lovely person.
45:38Come here, come here.
45:39He's perfect.
45:40I'll tell you what we'll do.
45:42I'll tell you what we'll do.
45:43I promise you this show,
45:45the end of today,
45:47with Graham's help,
45:47we'll give him the help
45:48that he needs.
45:48Do I think it will work?
45:49I don't know,
45:50but you've got to understand
45:51from my point of view,
45:52you cannot,
45:53if you're me,
45:53condone a man
45:54on camera going,
45:55go on, finish her off.
45:56Now you might not remember that,
45:57but I've got it.
45:58You two
45:59have got one thing in common,
46:00actually.
46:01And our daughter's
46:02a half sister.
46:02Well, no,
46:02you've got two things in common.
46:04Please don't be offended.
46:05You've both got kids with him
46:07and you've both got
46:07particularly bad taste in men.
46:09That's me being completely honest.
46:10I agree, Jeremy.
46:11I agree entirely.
46:12But what we don't want,
46:14because you've got,
46:14no, we'll help him,
46:15but you've got kids
46:16and what happened earlier
46:17is unacceptable.
46:18I want you to shake hands with her.
46:20We will offer him help.
46:21I know you're sorry.
46:23Fair play for offering
46:24the hand of friendship.
46:26He will be dealt with.
46:27We will offer him help
46:28and hopefully he'll step up
46:29to his responsibilities.
46:31I appreciate you coming on.
46:32We'll support you all.
46:33We're out of time.
46:34We'll see you soon.
46:35Take care.
46:35Bye for now.
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