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00:00on today's show
00:01he forced entry into my house
00:03and pushed me into the radiator
00:05this is whilst you were pregnant wasn't it?
00:07yeah yeah
00:07he says there's loads of people that could be the father
00:09including two of his mates who are here today
00:12call me the potential father
00:14what?
00:15she's been telling people yeah
00:17yeah what?
00:18call me the father to the baby
00:20you need to start telling the truth
00:21instead of lying in front of Jeremy Coyle
00:24you need to tell the truth
00:25you're nothing to do with it
00:27call me the dad did?
00:30no this is what I mean
00:31get back in your room
00:32don't speak to her
00:33you don't need to get to the back
00:35you don't know where it's like I do
00:36did you tell her
00:38that Carlos could be the father yes or no?
00:40he is the dad
00:41how do you know?
00:42were you there?
00:43Katrina's that old mate it's the dad
00:44you want to start?
00:45when's that?
00:46come on
00:46have you had sex with her?
00:48don't remember
00:49that's why I keep trying to say to her
00:53yeah she's 200 quid
00:54yeah
00:54do you know what?
00:55you don't like your liquor
00:57do you ask me?
00:57I'll sell your phone for you
00:58so don't stop
00:59you little
01:00we also did money
01:02we only had £60 at one point
01:04and you said no it's not enough
01:30thank you my friends good morning
01:31there's ever a big big welcome to the show
01:33my first guest today Katrina is here
01:35because she is nearly seven months pregnant
01:36with ex-partner David's baby
01:38and she says that he is denying any responsibility whatsoever for the child
01:42Katrina claims that David was violent to her
01:44while she was carrying his kid
01:45and is more interested in smoking weed
01:47and getting drunk with his mates
01:48than being a potential father
01:50she claims that David has now started rumours
01:53that there could be multiple fathers for this baby
01:55and she's here today to tell him
01:56look step up
01:57I've got a new partner
01:58if you don't do what you have to do
02:00Ben my new man will raise their child
02:02Katrina is first on the Kyle show
02:04that way
02:05how are you?
02:13nice to see you
02:15welcome to the show
02:16everything alright?
02:17not too bad
02:17well I say
02:18this is a ridiculous question
02:19why would you be on the Jeremy Kyle show
02:21if everything was alright
02:21alright listen
02:22you were in a relationship
02:23at the moment you're with Ben
02:24yep
02:25how old are you?
02:2628
02:26he's 22
02:28that makes you smile
02:29how far gone?
02:30six months and three weeks
02:32I'm so glad you said that
02:33because I said that to a woman once
02:34and she said I'm not pregnant
02:35it was really embarrassing
02:36this is about your relationship with David
02:38your ex
02:40how long were you with David for
02:41about a year and a half
02:42right
02:43the pregnancy
02:44the baby
02:46planned?
02:46no
02:47it was a bit of a shock to both of us
02:50what do you mean by that?
02:50because the complications
02:53with my disabled son
02:54they said I wouldn't have another child
02:57basically
02:58let's go to the chase
02:58what was the relationship like
03:00with David
03:00the year and a half?
03:02don't get me wrong
03:03it was okay
03:03for the first few months
03:04but then he got violent
03:06he got verbal
03:08he smoked a lot of weed
03:09right
03:09you need to speak up a little bit
03:10how much?
03:12well basically
03:13when he wasn't with me
03:14when he was going out
03:15was he working?
03:16no
03:16so he'd get up
03:17go out with his mate
03:18smoke weed
03:19come back stoned
03:20and if he didn't get his fix
03:21he'd be aggressive
03:21yep
03:22was he ever violent to you?
03:24yes he was
03:24what did he do?
03:26basically
03:26I wouldn't let him into my house
03:28he forced entry into my house
03:31pushed me
03:31into the radiator
03:33then obviously
03:34I've gone into
03:34my living room
03:35this is whilst you were pregnant
03:36wasn't it?
03:36was he violent to you
03:37before you got pregnant?
03:39no
03:39only when you got pregnant?
03:41yeah
03:41how did the relationship end though?
03:44I just told him to get out
03:45basically
03:46I found the coppers
03:49and they removed him
03:50so you haven't had the baby
03:52you maintain that he's the father
03:54I said in the introduction
03:55that he is putting it about
03:56that there are other fathers
03:59you're in a new relationship with Ben
04:00you want to get this sorted
04:01before the baby's born
04:02I know you're also keen on him
04:04doing a drugs test
04:05and getting some sort of help
04:06so that he can be
04:07the father to this child
04:08but you are 1000%
04:09that he's the child
04:10because he says
04:11there's loads of people
04:12that could be the father
04:13including two of his mates
04:14who are here today
04:15because please don't take this
04:16the wrong way
04:17he said they've all had a go
04:18that was
04:19that was
04:19no?
04:20no
04:20have you slept with any of his friends?
04:22well Carlos is my cousin
04:23so that's
04:24Carlos is here
04:26Carlos is here
04:27they're apparently supposed
04:28to have slept together
04:28and she's just told me
04:29Carlos is her cousin
04:31did you sleep with your cousin?
04:33no
04:33are you related to Luke?
04:35no just friends
04:35have you had sex with Luke?
04:37yeah but it was
04:38obviously before I met David
04:40oh it was before you met David
04:41okay
04:42so David and you
04:4318 months
04:44it was alright
04:44at the beginning
04:45which would be why you got together
04:46then it all went wrong
04:47you're pregnant
04:486 months
04:49you're with Ben
04:49in a new relationship
04:50David is not doing anything
04:51he's not attending all the scans
04:52he's not putting money aside
04:53he smokes too much weed
04:55you want to get this sorted
04:56before the baby comes
04:57and you want to say to him
04:57listen pal
04:58stop putting it out there
04:59that I'm sleeping around
05:00you are the father
05:01the time to grow up
05:01yeah David's on the Jeremy Cowell show
05:03that way
05:14sorry what
05:16what
05:18why have you got your hat on like that
05:20yeah
05:21so I wear my hat
05:22no yeah is not the answer
05:23why have you got your hat on like that
05:24so I wear my hat
05:25I don't like cats
05:26can you take it off
05:26no
05:27no no I don't like cats on my show
05:28can you take it off
05:28thanks very much indeed
05:29put it on the floor
05:30it would be fantastic
05:31right welcome to the show
05:33David 25
05:34yep
05:35well as she said
05:3718 months relationship
05:38it was never brilliant
05:39we used to argue all the time
05:40what's the truth Dave
05:41we used to did
05:42used to argue
05:43all the time
05:44why'd you get pregnant by her then
05:45it wasn't planned was it really
05:47you didn't think of putting anything
05:48on the end of it either
05:49you didn't think it would be a good idea
05:50to have safe sex
05:51no
05:51no
05:52sorry
05:52no
05:54brilliant
05:55Great Britain in 2015
05:56just no way yeah
05:57so when she became pregnant
05:59you were shocked
06:00you were pleased
06:01you would come on talk to me
06:02I was happy at one point yeah
06:04and then it's like
06:04then I always get
06:05you know what
06:06I've been told by people yeah
06:07the fact that she's been telling people yeah
06:09yeah what
06:11my mate
06:11could be the father to the baby
06:13yeah
06:13no get it right David
06:15I've just come in here
06:16to find out what's the truth
06:17get it right David
06:19Luke came up to
06:20shut up
06:22shut up
06:23shut up
06:23shut up
06:24can I
06:25call me the potential father
06:27what
06:28you told us
06:29that he
06:30had been putting it out there
06:31that there were potential fathers
06:33more than you
06:34you say
06:34and this has been backed up by your friends
06:36she's waltzed around town
06:38and told at least three or four men
06:39they're the father
06:40is that true
06:40no it's not true
06:42why would Carlos be saying it's true then
06:44well he's the one that's going around saying
06:46he's the dad to the child
06:47you were all there
06:48how many of your friends
06:49oh be quiet sit down
06:51everyone was in that flat that day
06:53yeah
06:53I was in the flat yeah
06:54without Katrina knowing I was in that flat
06:56and I heard it myself
06:57you need to start telling the truth
06:59you need
07:00in front of Jeremy Coyle
07:02you need to tell the truth
07:03you're nothing to do with it
07:05no nothing to do with it
07:06it's why call me the dad again
07:07no this is
07:09it's my turn to say
07:10shut in
07:11you had your say
07:12go away
07:14who's that
07:15go away
07:15and you shut
07:16up in the room
07:17you shut
07:18up in the room
07:20you're an idiot
07:21get to the back
07:22you just know it's like I do
07:23you're a big brother
07:26sorry sorry
07:27I'm a partner
07:29you're Ben
07:29are you the father
07:30have you had sex with her
07:32you idiot
07:32right hold on a minute
07:35right so that's Carlos
07:36wait a minute shush
07:37that's Carlos your cousin
07:38yeah
07:38that's Ben your current partner
07:40did you
07:41shut up
07:45ridiculous
07:49did Abby say
07:50I'm talking to her
07:51button it
07:52did you ever have sex with Carlos
07:54no
07:55why didn't you tell him
07:56because this is what he says
07:58that he could be the dad
07:59no he actually told me
08:00when I was there for about
08:02three four weeks
08:02he said he could be
08:03could he be the dad to the baby
08:04and I said no
08:06yeah carry on Carlos
08:08Sarah in the audience
08:09you're Carlos'
08:11pathetic
08:11missus
08:12missus
08:12what married
08:13no engaged
08:14oh engaged
08:15lovely
08:15what a wonderful thing
08:16did he sleep with her
08:18no he knows of
08:20that he's had to me
08:21not that he knows of
08:23so you did sleep with him
08:26no I didn't
08:26you've just said that
08:27hold a second I'm sorry
08:28Anna
08:29he said to me
08:30that he can't remember
08:31because he went to hers
08:32and he was drinking quite a lot
08:33no because he hasn't even been to mine Sarah
08:36he hasn't even been to mine Sarah
08:38did you ever tell Carlos
08:39that he was the father
08:41no
08:41tell you that he was the father
08:43yes
08:43oh shut up Carlos
08:45I'm doing this
08:45a day after me and Carlos
08:47had an argument
08:47she phoned me up saying it
08:49so you've told her that Carlos is the father
08:52yes or no
08:52no Carlos
08:53I don't believe you love
08:54you're lowering your head
08:55and maybe David's got a point
08:56maybe he have slept with his mates
08:58and maybe he have told several men
09:00that they're the father
09:00and maybe Ben needs the truth
09:02what is the truth
09:03did you tell her
09:04that Carlos could be the father
09:06yes or no
09:07no
09:07don't believe you
09:08yeah she did
09:08because I've got witnesses there
09:09that heard the phone call
09:10don't even think so
09:11so you're saying I was with this woman
09:13it was alright
09:13I had sex with her
09:14I found out she's had sex with most of her mates
09:16and I don't know the truth
09:17right
09:17that's essentially what you're saying
09:19what's the day about
09:20from your point of view
09:21I just want to know
09:21if the baby's mine
09:22okay so we've got
09:23we can do this after the break by the way
09:25but we've got
09:25we've got Ben your current partner
09:27how long have you been with Ben
09:29months
09:29oh lovely
09:30you didn't have sex with him
09:31before you got pregnant
09:32right okay
09:33then we've got Carlos
09:34your cousin
09:35and this is very interesting Carlos
09:37Carlos's notes are full of
09:38really
09:39well I went to a flat
09:40and I got drunk
09:41and I didn't have sex with her
09:42but if I am the dad
09:43I'll stand up
09:46and then we've got Luca
09:47you used to go out
09:48before you went out with David
09:49so you've had sex
09:50and you're basically sat there
09:51wondering what the hell's going on
09:52yeah
09:52I'm back after this break
09:54don't go anywhere
09:55big man
09:59you've got nothing to do with you
10:01you've got nothing to do with you
10:02you call me the dad
10:04no
10:04you've got nothing to do with you
10:21hello
10:22Jeremy
10:22come with me
10:24get your head up
10:25get yourself sat up straight
10:30come on there big boy
10:32you've been waiting all morning for this
10:34bring it on
10:37I touch my mouth aren't you
10:41sorry Jeremy
10:46I don't know
10:47why do you eat
10:55I'm supposed to go
10:56it's alright Jez
10:57go there
10:58where are you going now
11:04go for a breather a minute
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11:44welcome back before the break
11:45talking to Katrina and David
11:46so you were together for 18 months
11:47everything was good
11:49you got pregnant
11:50there's now severe debate
11:51as to who the father is
11:52you say
11:53it's definitely David
11:54a thousand percent need to step up
11:56and come to the scans
11:56and save money
11:57and do this and do that
11:58and you say
11:59well why would I do that
12:00because she's told
12:00my cousin Carlos
12:02my mate
12:02he's the father
12:03something backed up
12:04by his girlfriend
12:05she's in a new relationship
12:06there's another guy
12:07Luke
12:07what is the
12:07actually here's an interesting
12:09you told my team
12:10when she got pregnant
12:11she changed overnight
12:12what do you mean by that
12:12he's dressed
12:13ready for school
12:14this is her other child
12:16how is it a lie
12:17how is it a lie
12:18how is it a lie
12:19the fact is
12:20how is it a lie
12:21well it is a lie
12:22oh how is it a lie
12:23that is a lie
12:24everything for my son
12:25you're the one
12:26right
12:26that actually
12:27kicked off in front of a disabled child
12:29how sick can you get
12:30why would you have unprotected sex with him then
12:32if he was so bad with your child
12:33I wish so bad I never met him
12:36seriously
12:36you told my team
12:38she treated pregnancy like an illness
12:39and laid on her backside
12:40and did nothing
12:41she did
12:42that's the way she was treating
12:43that's a load of lies David
12:44you know that
12:45yeah whatever
12:46so you moved on
12:47you got rid of David
12:48yeah whatever
12:49no you used to go to
12:51with work
12:51what was I doing
12:53what
12:54yes
12:54don't come with the
12:56don't come with the
12:57you were sleeping
12:57I'm not quite upset on you
12:58that you bought her a ring
12:59when you got engaged
13:00she won't
13:00how much was the ring
13:0280 pound
13:0280 pound
13:03and she won't give you the ring
13:05why won't you give him the ring back
13:06I haven't even got the ring
13:07what did she do with it
13:08pawn it
13:09no
13:09fruit in the bin
13:10where it belongs
13:11okay
13:12now
13:13now it's going well isn't it
13:14so now you're with Ben
13:15how long you've been with Ben
13:16four weeks
13:17do you know Ben
13:18no
13:18Ben's the tall orange one
13:20Ben's on the Jeremy Kyle show
13:21he's coming out
13:21now
13:28you're a big man
13:29you're a big man
13:29you're a big man
13:30you're a big man
13:30you're a big man
13:31you're a big man
13:35otherwise what
13:36otherwise what
13:37there's nothing to do with you
13:39I don't know
13:40we sit down
13:40and that's it
13:41don't bow to his level
13:42you touch that boy
13:43you'd be having me to answer to
13:44you can show up
13:46Carlos is still going on
13:48welcome to the show
13:49you've been with her a month
13:50did you know any of the
13:51a month and two days
13:52how beautiful
13:53are you engaged yet
13:54no
13:55are you
13:56do you know about this story
13:57did you know before you got involved with it
13:59you knew the story
14:00what do you think is the truth here
14:01because this
14:02he needs to step in and be a dad
14:03yeah but you say that
14:04we have proofs that she's told other people
14:06they're the father
14:07he is the dad
14:07how do you know
14:09were you there
14:09Katrina's told me it's the dad
14:10but she's also told Carlos' bird
14:12excuse me
14:13woman
14:13that he's the father
14:14can he be the father
14:15when he's
14:16cousin
14:17it's not
14:18it's incest man
14:19incest
14:20you're not really
14:20you're not even cousin
14:23do it you little rat
14:24this is nothing to do with you
14:26this is nothing to do with you
14:27this is nothing to do with you
14:32right let's get Carlos and the Jeremy
14:35cousin's coming next
14:36here we go
14:39stop
14:40come on
14:43you you butt hands
14:44he's got nothing to do with you
14:46there's nothing to do with you
14:47you called me the dad
14:49now I'm here to the story
14:50now I'm here to the story
14:52it's a deception with my life
14:54how can you do that
14:55seriously Carlos
14:56you stay out
14:57you are a friend
14:59me as well
15:02there's a lot of that going on
15:03just sit down Carlos
15:04look what you do
15:07hello
15:07hello
15:08Jeremy
15:10um so
15:11we have
15:12oh here we go
15:12hi
15:12hi
15:13I've known him longer than you think
15:24that's my buddy
15:27you're our cousin
15:28no I'm not
15:30not even by marriage
15:31not even by family
15:32have you had some
15:33what it was
15:34they call me cousin
15:35because
15:35what is
15:36she's known me a long time
15:37since she was little
15:37just like he's known me like
15:39when he's little
15:40he calls me brother
15:40so does that make me a
15:42remember
15:42you are family Carlos
15:44shut up
15:45shut up you
15:48what you do
15:49what you gonna do
15:50what you gonna do
15:51because when you was on the street
15:52you ran off
15:52didn't you like a little girl
15:54yeah you did
15:54you're a star mate
15:55no you're a coward
15:57you run away on the metro
15:59like
16:00coward
16:00yeah
16:01back to the story
16:03you had sex with her
16:04don't remember
16:06that's why I keep
16:07trying to say
16:07don't remember
16:09how can you not remember
16:11having sex
16:12well
16:12when we went down to that house
16:14I was pretty laggy
16:15the one time
16:15and she's trying to say
16:16like
16:17she turns around to David
16:18and says
16:18I'm the dad
16:19she turned around
16:20and said it to me
16:21she turned around
16:21and said it to Luke
16:22hold on a minute
16:24can we get back to the story
16:26you were in a
16:26you're in a
16:29you're in a relationship
16:30with her
16:31and you go to her flat
16:31and you can't remember
16:32whether you had sex
16:33no because
16:34six months ago
16:36how does that make you feel
16:39but you
16:39so you might have got drunk
16:41and had sex
16:41don't remember
16:42that's what I'm trying to say
16:43she's saying
16:44I'm the potential dad
16:45okay but I'm the potential dad
16:47give me a DNA test
16:48from that baby's boy
16:48and we'll find out
16:49David is the 100%
16:50down the line
16:51the father of this child
16:52you're nothing to do
16:53with this child
16:54well why say it then
16:56you're nothing to do
16:57with this child
16:57I still want a DNA test
16:59because you've said it now
17:00okay well we'll get it sorted later
17:02I've been in my house
17:03for five months
17:04whatever Katrina
17:05yeah whatever
17:07I've moved
17:08can you answer the question
17:09can you answer the question
17:10that he absolutely keeps giving
17:11and you won't
17:12why did you tell him he was
17:13I didn't say nothing like that at all
17:15she said
17:16you need to get your facts right
17:17the pair of ya
17:17you actually did
17:18he said
17:18I walked in on the phone call
17:21yeah
17:21who's Luke
17:22who's Luke
17:24he's the one that you were having sex with
17:26before David
17:26when you didn't have sex with Carlos
17:28Luke's on the Jeremy Carlos show now
17:30they're all coming
17:37who are you
17:38um
17:40that is mate
17:40and Carlos
17:41have you had sex with her
17:42yes we were
17:43but in a relationship
17:44in a relationship
17:45we was planning for a child
17:48why
17:49basically because we were both ready
17:51and we talked about it
17:52isn't it true
17:52that she left you for David
17:54yes that's correct
17:55but you're still friends
17:56yes
17:56well they've been boys
17:57since they were kids
17:58just like me
17:59and uh
18:00pardon they've been boys
18:01since they were kids
18:01yeah
18:02we've all been friends
18:03oh boys
18:04oh they were boys
18:05when they were kids
18:06we grew up
18:06we grew up together
18:07but you're older than them aren't you
18:08yeah a little bit older
18:09just a little bit
18:10I thought that was true
18:10anyway so
18:11basically
18:12this isn't the first time
18:13this has happened
18:14but Dan
18:14you're a unique man
18:15on that stage
18:16because she's had sex
18:17with everybody by you
18:20give Dan a round of applause
18:22because they're there
18:25so
18:27what do you know
18:28to be the truth
18:29because what has been said
18:30Carlos' girlfriend
18:31Vera
18:31I need to point something out
18:32about you as well
18:34somebody's just said to me
18:35she seems very calm
18:36for the fact
18:37that Carlos might
18:38or might not have had sex
18:39with this girl
18:39who might not be her cousin
18:41or be her cousin
18:42but that's because
18:42you were on the Jeremy Kyle show
18:44some months ago
18:44and you cheated on Carlos
18:45so are you being nice to him
18:47because if he's done the same
18:48that rather evens it out
18:49no not really
18:50he's very giving me
18:51so forgive him
18:53exactly what I just asked you
18:54but put in a different way
18:56have you been told
18:57you're the father
18:57yes I have
18:58what
18:59have you told her
19:00what do you mean that
19:01that is a complete utterly lie
19:03basically we was at
19:05Carlos' and Sarah's
19:06and basically we hid David
19:08and he heard a lot
19:09we hid David
19:10yeah
19:10how did we hide David
19:12because to find out the truth
19:13to find out the truth
19:14what was going on
19:15because she said
19:16I was the father
19:16Carlos' the father
19:17you're the one
19:18that said in Carlos' flat
19:19yeah
19:19you asked me right
19:21if you was the dad
19:22to this baby
19:22and I turned around
19:23told you
19:24point blank to your face
19:24no
19:25have you had sex with Luke
19:26yeah
19:26have you had sex with Carlos
19:28no
19:30have you had sex with David
19:31yes
19:32well obviously
19:33I'm coming his child
19:34why would you tell
19:35why would you tell his missus
19:36that he might be the father
19:37if you haven't said
19:38nothing like that at all
19:39yes you did
19:40stop lying
19:40no I didn't
19:41stop lying on those days
19:42just because you don't like
19:43the fact it's the truth
19:44this is nothing to do with you
19:45well why bring me here
19:46you shut your mouth
19:48what are you gonna do
19:49what are you gonna do
19:51what are you gonna do
19:51shut your mouth mate
19:52what are you gonna do
19:55what are you gonna do
19:56what are you gonna do
19:57what are you gonna do
19:58what are you gonna do
19:59oh for god's sake
19:59can we get past
20:00what are you gonna do
20:02please tell him
20:03what are you gonna do
20:04yeah it's a man
20:05for the arse
20:06then we can
20:06what
20:07instead of making it off come on what are you gonna do oh end off what are you
20:11gonna do well I'm just supporting my missus at the end of the day mate so
20:17stop playing the big man then
20:21please start I'm gonna start I always simple wow I beg your pardon I'll say
20:24please start I'm gonna start I shouldn't speak to the missus of eight years
20:27oh well
20:28let your girlfriend not be in front of you you need to find out the truth before
20:33and then you need to go back to you you've been saying to everyone else
20:39you can tell your words out man
20:42you can say more than oh what
20:50David all I'm saying is you've got no idea with you
20:53oh what
20:54you're going to track me here
20:56you're going to say no
20:58I'm saying no
20:59oh what
21:01are you making me do this
21:03don't call this really mess we're here and we've already started
21:08right stop stop stop stop you I want to make a just interesting point and despite the ridiculous
21:12hat you did say and I mean this that you have turned your life around you are ready to be
21:17a
21:17father if you are a father you've stopped smoking the drugs and you've made a big effort to change
21:20your life
21:21no you know what yeah I can't full stop
21:23oh here we go
21:24use the kid as a weapon
21:25you can forget it David
21:26you know what the kid is she's mine yeah the fact is I'm going full custody
21:29well you're not are you for God's sake
21:31you're lying
21:33shh shh
21:34listen listen
21:34some advice from an old man right
21:36at least the kids will be better off
21:37you've changed your life
21:39chish for me
21:39you've changed your life you say I want to step up
21:41yeah
21:42nobody knows the truth until we can do a DNA
21:45how far gone did you say you were six months
21:47six months and three weeks
21:48how long have you given up the drugs for
21:50quite a bit no
21:51since I was fat
21:52I actually fat out
21:53when I fat out she was pregnant
21:54I actually tried to give it up there and then
21:56at the same time
21:57no you didn't because you actually touched it again
21:58you've even said it to me to my face
22:00to stop with your lies
22:01the fact that I was trying to
22:02you know what yeah
22:03it's not as easy as you had to talk
22:04what drugs did you give up
22:06cannabis
22:07coke
22:08and a beer
22:09that's all I used to touch
22:10yeah
22:11when you was drinking the other night
22:12the fact is yeah
22:13the fact is
22:14you still love her
22:16part of some needles yeah
22:18well I don't
22:20what did you say
22:20I don't
22:21why are you so vindictive darling
22:23when the one comment is
22:24be quiet
22:24the only person who's done more people on this stage
22:27than anybody else is you
22:28do you not think at the end of the day
22:30with the greats of respect
22:31that this needs resolving in a decent way
22:33and all you do is throw that kid at them all
22:34the truth is you say David's the father
22:37he might well be
22:37your boyfriend's
22:39what you're going to do about it
22:40is defending you
22:40these guys are saying
22:42and they're backed up by her
22:43that you've actually said they're the father
22:45now if that's the case
22:46that's going to cause confusion
22:47and it's going to cause arguments
22:48and it needs dealing with
22:49do you want us to do a DNA test then
22:51yeah because I want him to realise that he's the dad
22:54and what if he's not
22:54oh no he is 100%
22:56you're 100%
22:57100%
22:59but you said it
23:00you said it to all four of us
23:02what do you mean the first time
23:04what do you mean
23:04oh sorry wait a minute what do you mean four of us
23:05another one
23:06actually it could be a normal person
23:07and there might be another one
23:09did you do a drugs test
23:11yeah
23:11so you what today yeah
23:13yeah
23:13yeah
23:15um you were positive for cannabis
23:18ha
23:18oh this guy
23:20told me you're giving drugs up pal
23:21oh this guy
23:23think about it
23:23it's not as easy as everyone thinks it is
23:25to give up drugs
23:25you just told me you're giving up drugs then
23:26why didn't you tell me that you're still smoking cannabis
23:28but you're giving up coke
23:29I'm not smoking cannabis I think
23:29well you just failed on cannabis
23:31just failed
23:31well I don't know why you're starting
23:33because you still had unprotected sex with him love
23:36didn't you
23:36look man it's not as easy as everyone thinks I've been smoking
23:39but I'm not smoking
23:41no
23:41I'm smoking it
23:43I've been smoking it since I was caught here
23:45yeah
23:46I'll even have help off you lot
23:47yeah to quit even more
23:48oh I'll just ru
23:49alright
23:49hello
23:50who's the father of your baby
23:52David
23:52you're going to come back here in four months
23:54you're going to prove that
23:54what if David is the father
23:56what are we going to do
23:57what are we going to sort out
23:59what if he steps off he can go for a contact centre
24:01would you
24:01on the basis of you've got four months
24:03before this baby is back here doing a DNA test
24:05would you accept some help for us to try and deal with the rest of the drug problems
24:09so if you are the father
24:10you're able to do the business
24:11can you extend your vocabulary beyond what you're going to do
24:14okay that would be useful for when the baby comes
24:16because you might need to say
24:17morning how are you Baba
24:19or something like that
24:19you
24:20you're not her cousin
24:21but she's known as a cousin
24:22because you're very close
24:23you haven't slept with her
24:24but you might have slept with her
24:25because you got drunk
24:26but anyway she cheated on you
24:27so she'll forgive you if you have
24:28what would you do if you were the father
24:30do you know what
24:31I'd do the right thing by
24:32you know what I mean
24:33that's all
24:34right at the moment
24:35it's just an eat at me
24:36in my eyes at the moment
24:37at the moment it's not
24:38classed as child
24:39not classed as my child
24:40not classed as his child
24:42not classed as his child
24:43it needs to be
24:44if you're the father
24:45will you ask those two to be godparents
24:47do you know what
24:47they're my best friends
24:48I'd do anything for
24:49if you're the father
24:49will you ask those two to be godparents
24:51yep
24:51we're getting somewhere now
24:54if you're the father
24:55will you ask them to be godparents
24:56how do you think that leaves
24:57Dan feeling
25:01three months and a couple of weeks
25:03we'll bring you back
25:04we'll do the DNA
25:04you take your lady that way
25:06you three go that way
25:07don't give them a round of applause
25:12right after the break
25:13a man here to expose a former friend
25:15as a liar
25:16a thief
25:17and a con man
25:18do not go anywhere
25:18because we're right back
25:19I knew he had quite a few drug debts
25:21to pay off
25:22yeah
25:23he'd sold his phone
25:24and wanted to borrow mine
25:25two days I put you up at my house
25:27and fed you in everything
25:28and you took the
25:30and you come out of my house
25:31and turn around and say
25:32if you didn't need to pay it back
25:33I'm here while my daughter's ill
25:35you make me sick
25:45thank you my friends for working back
25:47my next guest today David is here
25:48because he says he was conned out of 200 quid
25:50by his friend Vinnie
25:51David claims that five months ago
25:53he lent Vinnie an expensive mobile phone
25:56for two days
25:56Vinnie promptly sells it
25:58without his permission
25:59David says Vinnie is a con man
26:01that frequently takes out payday loans
26:03and purchases goods on credit
26:04with no intention of paying anything back
26:05he's here to expose him as a thief
26:07to the rest of the UK
26:07and make sure nobody else
26:10gives him a penny ever again
26:12David's on the Kyle Show that way
26:17how are you?
26:18how are you?
26:19how are you?
26:19how are you?
26:20how are you?
26:22you all right?
26:22strong words
26:23yeah
26:24so you gave Vinnie, your mate
26:26a mobile phone
26:27I mean you said to my team
26:28I used to think he was a good friend
26:30he had a problem
26:31you wanted to help him out
26:32tell me the story
26:33well he said he wants to have been
26:34a phone to use for about two days
26:37so he can get a contract phone
26:39then two days after
26:40but he went bam
26:41I'm a bad
26:43oh shut up you
26:44sitting hard
26:45you know what?
26:46you don't let your little
26:48two days I put you up in my house
26:50and fed you and everything
26:51and you took the
26:53day your phone
26:54wait
26:54listen you was with me the day
26:55could you ask me
26:56I sell your phone for you
26:57so don't start
26:58you little
27:01yeah whatever
27:02yeah whatever
27:04Vinnie
27:04can you be quiet
27:05and stay there a minute
27:06we'll get you up
27:07cause he's calling me
27:07and I'm not having it
27:09he's an honourable little
27:13shut your mouth
27:14shut your mouth
27:14or you won't come on
27:15lose the picture
27:16shut up
27:17I won't
27:19why was my leg like that?
27:20right
27:20you lent him a phone
27:23and then he'd been sold
27:25I knew he had quite a few
27:26drug debts to pay off
27:28yeah
27:28he'd sold his phone
27:29and wanted to borrow mine
27:31you then discover that he'd sold
27:33your phone behind your back
27:34for how much?
27:35we say he could give me
27:36300 quid for it
27:37and he'd give you 100 quid
27:39straight away
27:40and then
27:41two weeks after that
27:42100 and two weeks after that
27:44another 200
27:44and 100
27:45and then
27:46never happened
27:47he owes you 200 quid?
27:49yeah
27:50you've chased this guy
27:52and now you're being threatened by him
27:53yeah
27:54what's this about
27:55him being the sort of guy
27:57that takes out payday loans
27:58and all this sort of thing
27:59oh yeah
28:00being a guest
28:01from
28:02TV
28:02being
28:04washing machine
28:05being fridge freezer
28:07everything?
28:07everything
28:09changes his name
28:10and moves away
28:10doesn't he?
28:11yeah
28:12his girlfriend
28:14Leanne
28:14are you miked
28:15Leanne?
28:16I mean you've been on before as well
28:18but
28:19you say David is disgusting
28:20we took him into our home
28:22and he did nothing but stare at me
28:23he's creepy
28:23yeah he is
28:25he is creepy
28:26and I'm not being funny Dave
28:27you were with us
28:28when the phone was sold
28:30that's how you got the £100 straight away
28:32we had another £100 for you
28:34yeah but you don't
28:35my daughter was ill
28:36no my daughter was ill
28:37I got told
28:38I got given 50-50 chance of her surviving
28:41she was going to get rushed up here to Manchester
28:44I understood that
28:45who sat struck 284?
28:47I understood that one
28:47you said I was lying
28:48hold on hold on hold on
28:49that doesn't negate the fact
28:50that Vinny owes him 200 quid
28:52hang on a minute
28:53does Vinny owe him 200 quid?
28:55yeah he does
28:55well then why don't he give him the money?
28:57hang on
28:57the money that we had to give him
28:59I had to use
28:59to get to hospital
29:00because my daughter was in hospital
29:02200 quid to get to hospital?
29:04no
29:04no
29:05not all in one
29:06we didn't have it all in one
29:06and he knew this
29:07but why don't you give it to him now?
29:10because we haven't got it back now
29:10we offered him money
29:11no you didn't
29:12he had £60 at one point
29:13and you said no
29:15it's not enough
29:15yeah it is not
29:16have we waited long enough?
29:1750 quid?
29:17it's just 50 quid
29:18the time better than nothing
29:20Vinny's back on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
29:26really?
29:28really?
29:30really?
29:32really?
29:35really?
29:35really?
29:51and you come round my house
29:52And then you walked in my house and you turned around and you went,
29:54the money that you owe me, it does not matter.
29:56I went, no, I'll give it to you.
29:57And you went, no, it doesn't matter.
29:59Did you say it doesn't matter?
30:00No.
30:03I've met you a couple of times.
30:04I've never seen you so angry.
30:07He says that you're a con man.
30:09Con man?
30:09He says you take out payday loans and everything.
30:11I pay my debts, mate.
30:13How?
30:13I pay my debts every week.
30:15How?
30:15Maybe if you'd shut up and stop quizzing people.
30:18I don't care.
30:25I'm not going to intimidate me.
30:31Explain something to me in one word, right?
30:34Yeah.
30:35Does he owe him 200 quid, yes or no?
30:36Yes, we do.
30:37No, we do.
30:38OK.
30:40You're saying you don't have it all.
30:42Yeah.
30:42But you've offered to pay him a bit.
30:44Yeah.
30:45Then he says the bloke said it doesn't matter.
30:47He did.
30:47It was in my house.
30:48You've got to answer that, pal.
30:49Two people are telling me that they offered you 50 quid out of the two.
30:52I sent him at my house because...
30:53Don't intimidate me.
30:54I'm not trying to intimidate you.
30:55Well, can I speak now?
30:56Well, if you just let me finish, then you can ask him that question.
30:58Otherwise, it's not going to make sense.
30:59Why don't you ask him then?
31:00Why don't you run the whole show?
31:01I'm really, really rubbish at this, aren't I?
31:03He tried to take us to court.
31:04For the 200 quid?
31:05Yeah.
31:06It couldn't be done.
31:07Right?
31:09And he turned around and said to us that we didn't need to pay that money.
31:11Right, stop there.
31:12Now.
31:12Did you ever say you don't have to pay the money?
31:15No.
31:15Why do I think that you're lying?
31:17I've got no.
31:18I even asked for a lie detector to be done.
31:20Do they offer you 50 quid towards the debt?
31:2250 quid?
31:25I don't believe...
31:26You've just sat there and said, yeah, it wasn't enough, so obviously we did.
31:29Did you get offered 50 quid a quarter of the debt?
31:32Yes or no?
31:33I couldn't think of, yes, I remember that part, but then...
31:35So why wouldn't you take 50 of the 200 towards the debt?
31:39Suddenly then, they only owe you 150.
31:41Also, next question, I never thought I'd find myself defending Vinnie.
31:44You said you put him up for two days, and you both said separately that you said,
31:49really grateful for that, don't worry about the debt.
31:52You've just admitted they offered you 50.
31:54Did you say it doesn't matter about the money?
31:57I don't remember that part.
31:58What?
31:58I don't remember that part.
31:59Oh, suddenly you don't remember it.
32:00It's not no, you don't remember it.
32:02I would be all right if he owed you 200 quid, and you were here going,
32:07I didn't stay at your house, I want that money,
32:09I've never told you I don't want that money, and you've offered me nothing.
32:12But you've just admitted they've offered you 50 quid, right?
32:15You can't remember whether you said just lose the debt anyway.
32:18What am I supposed to do now?
32:20I look like a right idiot in front of her.
32:22And you said I was homeless.
32:24I wasn't homeless, I had a place to stay.
32:26You're not answering the question, are you?
32:28Did they offer you 50 quid?
32:30Yes.
32:32Did you say it doesn't matter?
32:36I don't remember that part.
32:38What was he like with Leanne when he came to your flat?
32:42Creeper.
32:43What do you mean creeper?
32:44Creeper.
32:44What do you mean creeper?
32:45What, like that?
32:46If he went out, he'd follow up.
32:48What was he like with her?
32:49He was creeper, when she was cleaning, he'd walk around the house following her.
32:53No, I wasn't.
32:53When she bent over to pick someone up, he'd be looking at her.
32:55He's just a creep.
32:57He's just horrible.
32:58I wouldn't follow Leanne where she went.
33:01Did you feel that he was creepy?
33:03Yeah, he'd even got to the point and the weirdness of, he'd turn around and if I owed him money,
33:07why would he ask me if I wanted anything from his shop if he went?
33:09Every time he went, he'd ask me.
33:11He'd also ask Vinny.
33:12If Vinny said no, he never bought him nothing back.
33:14If I said no, he still bought me stuff back.
33:16Every morning, he'd come to my house, he'd bring me something.
33:19Weird, or not?
33:20Or is that just me?
33:20How's it weird?
33:21Weird.
33:22Well, why not bring...
33:23Okay, you bought me a drink.
33:24Wow.
33:25But why not Vinny?
33:25Why not bring Vinny one?
33:27Where was the harm in that?
33:28Because maybe they'd have the money.
33:29You bought me two drinks.
33:31You bought me two.
33:31Why not give one to Vinny?
33:32Did you fancy the hair then?
33:33No.
33:36But you understand, if you're going to come out here and you're going to say, he's a con man, he
33:41takes out payday loans, he owes me 200 quid.
33:45We've blown the 200 quid because you've accepted they offered you 50.
33:49I think, if you're honest, you probably did say, forget it, and that's why they're angry.
33:54What am I supposed to say now?
33:55Come on, you've got to help me out, mate, because I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
33:58Me either, do you ask?
34:00Do you want the money back?
34:02Yes, I do.
34:03Are you going to give him the money back?
34:05I guarantee no.
34:07What did you say?
34:08I guarantee you'll say no.
34:11Why don't you just give him the money back?
34:12Did I not offer to pay you?
34:13No, but are you offering again?
34:14Yeah, I'm offering again.
34:16When?
34:16You will?
34:16Yeah.
34:17But the only thing is, we don't want 24-7, literally, because he knows when we get paid.
34:22The day before, he's got my money.
34:23It's not even 7 o'clock in the morning, and I wake up to a text message.
34:27But it is his money, Leanne, taking both sides.
34:29Come on.
34:29Before you know...
34:30Can I make a suggestion?
34:30Can I make a suggestion?
34:30I've got a message on your phone, you've got my money.
34:32Can I make a suggestion?
34:32Why don't you give him 25 quid a week for the next eight weeks, or 20 quid a week for
34:35the next ten weeks?
34:36Why don't you do that?
34:37I'm not being funny.
34:37He could have a £100 next week, two weeks after he can have the vest, because I want him to
34:40get out of my life.
34:41I've had enough.
34:42But at the end of the day, if my daughter needs to go to hospital, I'm sorry, whether I owe
34:45money or not.
34:45I'm using that money to get my baby.
34:59That's right.
35:00Why don't you say that when you sent a text message, and then you ended up being in a call?
35:05Are you happy to pay the debt back?
35:07Can we just work out a payment schedule with Graham?
35:09You did a degree in maths.
35:11You can have a tenner a week.
35:11Oh, no, sorry, it was psychology.
35:13What?
35:13You can have a tenner a week.
35:14A tenner a week for 20 weeks?
35:16It's fine.
35:16Yeah?
35:17It's fine.
35:17But you don't contact me.
35:18I will pass the money to somebody.
35:19I have no number.
35:20No.
35:20You haven't now, no.
35:21No, all these.
35:23You've still got his.
35:23I will pass the money to somebody to pass to you.
35:26Don't contact me.
35:27It's fine.
35:27Don't come near my door.
35:28Because what I find a bit weird as well, after you tried to take us to court and you
35:32got told no, not even a week later, my house was burgled, mate.
35:35I can't live in my house.
35:37Bit dodgy or what?
35:38Severely, until the fingerprints have come back from the police.
35:41I don't really want to be paying nothing.
35:43Because if I find out it's you, and I've paid you £200, and stuff's gone.
35:57So you're not going to pay him because of your daughter.
36:00I don't think he'd burgle anybody.
36:01No.
36:01To be honest.
36:02It doesn't mean him.
36:03Just pay him the money back before I have a braiser.
36:05We agree with that?
36:06And don't do that again, because that doesn't get you anywhere, does it?
36:09And I hope your daughter's all right, OK?
36:11Yeah?
36:12Calm now?
36:13You go that way.
36:15You go that way.
36:15Give him a round of applause.
36:16We'll see our payments up here.
36:21Good luck to them after the break.
36:23A man on his stage here to tell his girlfriend's ex, if you don't want to be a dad to
36:25your daughter,
36:26step aside me, old son, because I'll do it for you.
36:28Don't go anywhere, because I'm right back.
36:30A lot of people come out here and they go, I'll be a better father than you ever.
36:34But you actually are doing a great job, aren't you?
36:36It's £4.50 on the bus to go and see his kiddie.
36:38He says it's too expensive.
36:41If that's possible, then...
36:42Saturday, Sunday, Monday, whenever.
36:45Yeah.
36:45Come down, see ya.
36:47Appreciate it.
36:48Did you just get a reviver?
36:50Yeah.
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37:31Welcome back.
37:32My next guest today, Jean-Luc, says that he's been raising his girlfriend,
37:35Kim's daughter, since she was six weeks of age,
37:36because her ex-partner, Nathan, can't be bothered.
37:38He says that Nathan has made no effort whatsoever as a father,
37:41leaving Jean-Luc to provide financially and emotionally,
37:44whilst Nathan makes any excuse not to see his daughter.
37:47Jean-Luc is here to tell Nathan that he gets one more chance to be a dad,
37:50and if he doesn't take it, Jean-Luc will be happy to step in and do it himself.
37:54Big, big day for this guy.
37:55Jean-Luc on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
38:03Nice to see you. Everything all right?
38:05Yeah.
38:06Strong words.
38:07Yeah, definitely.
38:08It's interesting for me, and this is just a genuine thought here.
38:12A lot of people come out here and they go,
38:15I'll be a better father than you ever, but you actually are doing a great job, aren't you?
38:18Can we talk about you and Kim?
38:20How long have you been together?
38:22Nearly 15... no, sorry.
38:2417 months.
38:25You're nervous?
38:26Yeah.
38:26No, sorry, it's 15 months.
38:28You all right?
38:28Yeah.
38:29I know you're nervous, but I know...
38:30It's interesting, because she and Nathan were together before you and her.
38:35Yeah.
38:35How old's the baby?
38:37Coming up to 16 months Sunday.
38:38And you've been there, really, since day dot, and you say, at the beginning it was all right.
38:45He used to be quite regular with his visits.
38:47Yeah, he did.
38:48He used to...
38:49Well, it was up to about nine, ten months, and then it kind of slowed down, and then it was
38:55gradually...
38:55I don't know, really.
38:56I think he was making out that he hasn't got the money, he wouldn't sign on or anything,
39:02he hardly looks for work.
39:03It's £4.50 on the bus to go and see his kid.
39:05He says it's too expensive now.
39:06And, yeah, I read an interesting thing about him, when he first met your girlfriend years
39:09and years ago, he sort of walked six miles to take her out, or run, or whatever, because
39:12he was really into her.
39:13So, you're saying he could do a lot more?
39:15Yeah, I reckon you could.
39:17Is he sulking?
39:17Is he hacked off that you and Kim are settling down, and he sees you as sort of stepping into
39:22his shoes?
39:22Or what, because you seem very reasonable?
39:24Yeah, I think it is that reason.
39:26Quite a few months ago, he did admit that he had a thing for Kim still.
39:30Still.
39:31Jealous.
39:31Yeah.
39:32Does he pay for the child?
39:33No, not at all.
39:34So, he doesn't pay for the child, he doesn't pay to come and see the...
39:36When was the last time he's seen the child?
39:37I presume he can't see the child, because he's busy working.
39:40No.
39:41Doesn't work either?
39:42No.
39:42Why not?
39:43I don't know.
39:44He says he needs photo ID, but I haven't known any job.
39:49You've got a camera, Will.
39:50Why does he spend his money on drugs?
39:52He don't have any, he says.
39:54Does he not sign on?
39:55No.
39:56He doesn't sign on.
39:57He had a sanction, and then he said he weren't going to sign on after that.
39:59So, he doesn't sign on, he doesn't work?
40:01No.
40:02Because he can't get photo ID.
40:04He won't come and see his kid.
40:06He won't pay for that child, but he still drinks quite a lot, doesn't he?
40:09Yeah.
40:09How does he pay for that?
40:10No, he says his friends pay for it, but we don't...
40:14What are you here for, mate?
40:17Get access for Olivia and a better relationship with her dad.
40:21How nice of you.
40:21Why are you doing that?
40:23Because I think she deserves that.
40:25Do you work?
40:26I've not long come out of work, and I've had interviews lately.
40:31He's, to be fair, for 14 of the 18 months, he's gone to work, paid for this kid, done everything,
40:35got up in the middle of the night with her and everything.
40:37Yeah.
40:37Get up to do the night feeds as well.
40:39Do you?
40:39Yeah.
40:40All the women are going, all the women are going, ah, and the blokes are going, softy.
40:45We had to ask him to give us money to buy a present for his daughter's birthday.
40:49Yeah, we found a cat on the internet, which one wanted £20 for.
40:55Like a real cat?
40:56Yeah, a kitten.
40:57Oh.
40:57And we thought, all right, we'll see if he wants to get her that.
41:01And we said that he hadn't got any money.
41:03He lent the money off his friends, but he's...
41:06Happy to buy beer.
41:08Enough is enough, you say.
41:09When she gets to an age, she'll make up her own mind, but today really is the last chance,
41:13and I'm speaking for Kim because I love Kim.
41:15Has he threatened you, this bloke?
41:16Yes.
41:17He's threatened me once when he said if I go near his house, he'll end up hitting me.
41:23And he said if he comes round to Kim's that he'll end up getting angry, he might start
41:29something then in front of me.
41:30One thing I want to say to you, Nathan, pin back your luggles.
41:32This man out here, I think, is tremendous, says, today's your last chance, and if you
41:36don't step up, he'll step in.
41:37He'll take up your kid's options because he cares.
41:40Should we get him out?
41:41Nathan's on the car, I'll show you that way.
41:51That would kill me if another man was bringing my kid up.
41:53Yeah, it does.
41:54Then why don't you do something about it then?
41:57A lot of excuses that have been made.
41:59What?
41:59A lot of excuses that I've made.
42:00So you're coming out here all humble, are you?
42:02No, no, it's just how it is.
42:04What do you mean, how it is?
42:05It's like threats have been made both ways from myself and from Kim's half as well.
42:09It's like...
42:10Are you still in love with Kim?
42:11No.
42:12Obviously, there's going to be the respect because she's the mother of my child and that.
42:15That's always going to be there, but...
42:16Respect?
42:16What about respect for this man?
42:18This man who's provided for your kid?
42:19Where have you been?
42:20I've said to Kim, I've always been grateful for what he's done and that, but she doesn't...
42:24Why have you threatened him then, if you're grateful to him?
42:26It's just heat at the moment.
42:27It's like everything piles up.
42:28You're jealous of them, aren't you?
42:29It just piles up a little bit because I wanted it to be me that raises my child, but, you
42:33know, I've always wanted a family and it just feels like it's been ripped away.
42:38Why wouldn't you go and see your child then?
42:40It's money.
42:42What do you mean it's money?
42:43You used to walk or run to see Kim when you first got with her at six miles and you
42:47can't
42:47afford £4.50.
42:48Why don't you sign on?
42:49I used to be signing on and then they put a sanction on my account.
42:52Is that because you cheated?
42:53You're a benefits cheat?
42:54No.
42:55What's the sanction on your account mean?
42:56I don't know.
42:56They said that I missed one of my appointments and then...
42:59Why don't you go to work?
43:00I cleared it up.
43:00Why don't you go to work?
43:02I need some of the stuff.
43:03I need my own bank account and I need ID to open my own bank account.
43:06I repeat, you used to walk to see Kim when you were trying to have sex with her.
43:09And now I would have thought it would be worth walking to see your daughter who's probably
43:12the most important thing in your life.
43:13And I know exactly what you're doing because it's written all over your face.
43:17It's very much easier, isn't it, for me to sit here.
43:21You have very strong feelings for her still.
43:23You're incredibly jealous of their relationship and it's better to sweep it under the carpet.
43:27But what you don't seem to understand is the only person that's being affected by this
43:30is your daughter.
43:32And you're sitting there nodding and I'm not having a go at you.
43:35But the only person that can affect any change is you.
43:37You're still in love with Kim, aren't you?
43:38I'm not.
43:40Why did you look so sad then?
43:43I didn't want it really to come down to this.
43:44I thought we could sort it out ourselves.
43:45Why don't you try talking to him then?
43:47Well, the first thing I can say is sorry for threatening and everything.
43:51And then, like, obviously I am grateful for what you've done for Olivia and that.
43:53And then I hope we can move on from this and start clean.
43:57Yeah, well, I'll tell you what.
43:58If that's possible, then...
44:00Saturday, Sunday, Monday, whenever.
44:02Yeah.
44:03Come down, see ya.
44:04Appreciate it.
44:09You're the nicest man I've ever had.
44:12You have to be the nicest man I've ever had on the Jeremy Carr show.
44:15Did you just give him a fiver?
44:17Yeah.
44:18How does that make you feel?
44:21Good.
44:22Not, obviously, because it was like I had to take it from someone else,
44:24but the fact I can actually see my daughter now and, like, be there.
44:28It's good.
44:28I would say that should make you feel awful, but there you go.
44:31Why is she...
44:32Kim, can you hear me?
44:33Yeah.
44:34Why are you upset, babe?
44:36I don't know.
44:39It's not fair on my daughter.
44:42It's interesting, this story for me.
44:43There isn't that much animosity.
44:45I think we thought there was going to be lots.
44:46You have an incredibly supportive boyfriend, Jean-Luc,
44:50who's just done another amazing thing.
44:52Can you come and talk to me, Kim?
44:54Is that all right?
44:55Not yet.
44:56You don't want to?
44:57Well, you've got maybe...
44:58I'll tell you what.
44:58Let's go to work.
44:59Let's do the Kyle Olympics.
45:00It's always my favourite part of the show.
45:02Let's run around the place.
45:03Come on, come on.
45:04Hurry up.
45:05Daddy one and daddy two.
45:07Let's go walking.
45:14You all right, darling?
45:15Yeah.
45:20Come and sit down, pal.
45:22I'm quite interested because Jean-Luc has extended the hand of friendship there to Nathan.
45:28Yeah.
45:31I mean, you've been...
45:32I don't want you to take this the wrong way,
45:33but you've been very, very nice today and very forgiving,
45:36and that's absolutely great.
45:39But there's always that nagging question at the back of my head
45:41whether that's just an act for the cameras.
45:42No, I'm not normally an angry person.
45:45It's just when things pile up, it's just like...
45:46You're jealous of him, aren't you?
45:48A little bit.
45:49A little bit.
45:49Do you understand that?
45:51Yeah.
45:53Is it nice to hear that he wants to make that?
45:56You mean...
45:56I don't mean to be rude.
45:57I'm not sitting here saying to raise a fiver,
46:00but you've got to do more than take a fiver off your girlfriend.
46:03Yeah, I could easily do it a lot more.
46:04Easily.
46:05Walk.
46:05Get some casual labour.
46:07I don't know.
46:08Sign on.
46:09It's about...
46:10It's about that kid being the motivation.
46:13I know what you're...
46:15I've done this a long time.
46:17It would be very easy when you're still in love with somebody
46:20or when you don't want to see somebody because you're angry with them
46:24to not go and see your kid.
46:26But who loses out then?
46:27The child and you.
46:29Yes.
46:29And you can build a relationship with your child
46:32that is nothing to do.
46:34Don't take this the wrong way with Kim and Jean-Luc.
46:35And he want...
46:36They want that.
46:37I sit here every day.
46:38Graham will bat me up.
46:39You're not going to see the kid.
46:40She's saying...
46:41He's just giving you a fiver.
46:43Yeah.
46:44You need like a...
46:45You seriously need like a boot up your backside.
46:48No, but...
46:49I don't think that was ever going to happen to me.
46:52Can I ask you a question, Kim?
46:53Because you should listen to this.
46:55Yeah.
46:56You told my team, did you not, that he was great as a father.
46:59He was, yeah.
47:00Until you started going out with Jean-Luc.
47:02Yeah, that's when it went down.
47:04That is not to blame, mate.
47:06I know what you're doing.
47:07You're a man.
47:07You're blaming yourself for the breakup of the relationship
47:09and the way to beat yourself up is to keep away from it
47:11because that's easier and your kid suffers.
47:14What's your kid going to do?
47:1615, 16, yeah?
47:20Daughter's walking.
47:23I know you love her, right?
47:25I know you do.
47:27Absolutely written all over your face.
47:29But you know what, pal?
47:31You're missing out on a kid growing up.
47:33And that's precious.
47:34Yeah.
47:35And she and he will respect you, but more importantly, right?
47:40Your daughter.
47:40Which thing?
47:41Are they going to send your kid if you don't go?
47:44Daddy didn't care.
47:45Daddy was only into mummy and when he couldn't have mummy,
47:47he didn't turn up.
47:50Why don't you prove them wrong?
47:51I'm gonna.
47:52What?
47:53I'm gonna.
47:54That's really weird, G.
47:55I actually believe you.
47:57Yeah.
47:57I do actually believe you.
48:00But maybe I'm, maybe I'm getting soft, but mate, these nice people.
48:06It's not about what you say though, it's about what you do, isn't it?
48:09Yeah, accents a bit louder than whites.
48:10Yeah.
48:10It would be better for him if you were horrible, but you're that nice
48:14and you've got his girlfriend and you're a great father,
48:16that that would rile anybody.
48:18But I tell you what, better to have that around your child half the time
48:22and you the other half than something else.
48:26Promise?
48:27Promise.
48:28Really appreciate you being here.
48:29Graham?
48:29All yours.
48:30Give them a round of applause.
48:31We'll keep you updated.
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