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00:00On today's show
00:01Can you see that Graham is not yours?
00:05Graham is not yours!
00:06Look at him, then look at me!
00:07Then tell me that he's not yours!
00:09Seriously!
00:10If you die, I'm going to f*** your grave!
00:14Why am I so against it?
00:15Yeah, tell me!
00:16When my mum was pregnant with me, he pushed her downstairs, he's beaten her up!
00:19I've never, I've never had a woman anymore!
00:21Got a statement from your mother!
00:23Why all of a sudden did you want to know us now?
00:25You, you, you was the one that disowned us, didn't want to speak to us,
00:28My number is on Facebook, but no, you can't even ring me, you can't text me!
00:32Why the f***?
00:32When I had cancer at the age of 14, wasn't it?
00:35I could've walked for six months!
00:37My mum tried to contact you, six months I could've walked for,
00:40they were going to chop my leg from here down!
00:42Was you anywhere to be seen?
00:44No!
00:45No!
00:47They were the only two in the house, like...
00:50Money for your kids, right?
00:52And that is a, that is a line that nobody should cross.
00:56What about her?
00:57She's nicked it, she's crossed the line, the godmother of your kid.
00:59What, what happens to that?
01:00Friendship still going on?
01:02No, if either I'd done it, I'd have to...
01:05End them both.
01:23Thank you very much indeed, good morning, it was ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:29Now my first guest today, Adam, is here to confront his kids, and demand answers for why they have quite
01:34literally cut him out of their lives.
01:36Now, Adam admits he's not always been the perfect dad, but has desperately tried to make amends, and claims that
01:41in spite of that, their relationship has never been worse.
01:44He says that his son and daughter have both turned on him, suddenly accusing him of sleeping with prostitutes, and
01:50even lying about a heart attack.
01:52He says they need to wake up and start making some effort to fix this, before he decides it's too
01:58late to salvage a relationship.
01:59He's on stage already, round of applause please.
02:01Adam on the Jeremy Carr Show.
02:06Nice to meet you.
02:07Nice to meet you.
02:08Is this, um, is this one of those stories that, I mean, yes it's about you and your kids, this
02:14is the time that you want to put this right, I guess.
02:17Yeah, I mean, I've tried, I've tried absolutely everything to put everything right.
02:20Let's just, let's just get some facts, so we've got Sherry-Anne who's 24, we've got Graham who's 22, Leslie
02:26is their mum.
02:27How long were you with their mum for?
02:29I was with their mum for a summer and a half years.
02:31Just one thing, um, just to add into the mix, um, we're doing a DNA test today on the 22
02:35-year-old Graham, why is that?
02:37Because there has been doubts floating around that he's not mine.
02:40Is that one of the reasons why you and she didn't stay together?
02:43Er, no, he's, it was basically, she cheated on me, left, right and centre, I was working, every hour that
02:50God could send, and it didn't seem to be enough.
02:54I'll be honest, I ain't exactly been the best father in the world.
02:57She's told you some stuff, hasn't she, I think, that, that, that, I think she only felt able to tell
03:01her dad, which means there was one...
03:03Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's stuff that she's told me that she said she wouldn't tell her mum.
03:07What?
03:08You know, like, oh, she, she was, she was supposed to be pregnant and she's had miscarriages, um, she had
03:14abortions, and she's, she didn't, she told me that she wouldn't tell her mum, so she told me.
03:19So you felt there was a bond there with, with you and Sherry, and it's on the screen now, um,
03:24but, recently, she and Graham, the one you're doing the DNA test on, you said, and I said in the
03:29introduction, have turned on you, they've made a, a series of accusations about you, they say that you lied about
03:34having a heart attack.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Did you fake a heart attack?
03:37No, I had a cardiac arrest on the 29th of April last year.
03:40What about fake, what about, what about, listen, I have to believe what you tell me, what about sleeping with
03:43prostitutes?
03:44Never slept with a prostitute in my life.
03:47Why would they say that, then?
03:49I don't know.
03:50You've no idea at all.
03:51So today, um, I'm sick of the ex stirring up the trouble.
03:55I had a relationship with both of you, it seems to have gone a little bit wrong.
03:58I've always had doubts about Graham, to be honest, because she was a sheep, we're doing a DNA, but you
04:01know what, it's about trying to put it right with these two kids.
04:05I know I've made some mistakes, but at the end of the day, what the hell is going on?
04:08Sherry-Ann's on the show, she's your 24-year-old daughter, that way.
04:39APPLAUSE
04:42You blocked me!
04:44Because I told you some home truths about yourself and you didn't like it!
04:47And you see, Graham, you're not yours!
04:49Graham, you're not yours!
04:50Look at him, then look at me!
04:52Then tell me that he's not yours!
04:53Seriously!
04:55You're the one, yeah, but you blocked, okay, I blocked you on Facebook.
04:58You told me some home truths.
05:00But, at the end of the day...
05:02Is that really, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
05:03Is that really it?
05:04Welcome to the show.
05:05You don't like the truth!
05:06Hello?
05:06Is that really it?
05:08You blocked me on Facebook.
05:09Welcome to the show.
05:10What is your situation?
05:11Because you said something that I don't think anybody's ever said before.
05:14You said...
05:15Yeah, if you die, I'm going to f*** on your grave.
05:17Because I don't have to do with you.
05:19And you know what, your grandkids are better off without you.
05:22They don't need you.
05:22What did this man...
05:24Why are you so against this guy?
05:26Why am I so against it?
05:27Yeah, tell me.
05:28When my mum was pregnant with me, he pushed her downstairs.
05:30He's beat her off.
05:34I've never...
05:34I've got a statement from your mother.
05:36I've got a statement.
05:37Hello?
05:38I've got a statement from your mother, Leslie.
05:39Adam has denied being the father of Graham, but I'm 100% sure that he is.
05:43I was never unfaithful around him.
05:44He was the one that cheated on me.
05:46And he was violent throughout our relationship.
05:48He's left Sherry Anne and Graham down time and time again.
05:51He's been nothing but trouble.
05:53And we do not want anything to do with him.
05:54So come on, he's sitting there looking quite pious.
05:56What's the truth here?
05:57All of a sudden, you want to know us now.
05:59You...
05:59You...
05:59You was the one that disowned us.
06:01Didn't want to speak to us.
06:02My number is on Facebook.
06:04But no, you can't even ring me.
06:05You can't text me.
06:06So you can spend money on me.
06:06You can spend money on me.
06:08You can buy your phone.
06:09You can buy your TV.
06:11You can go and spend money on takeaways.
06:12Nothing else.
06:13You've got kids.
06:14We come first.
06:15And when I asked you about the CSA when they stopped here, I asked you if you wanted to
06:20give money to us.
06:21You said no.
06:21I shouldn't have to if I don't want to.
06:23Come on, answer that then.
06:25Were you violent?
06:26You've got six kids.
06:27No, I wasn't violent.
06:27I've never raised my hand to a woman.
06:28When you said I haven't been that good a father, because I thought she was going to come
06:31out and say, Daddy, I want this sorted.
06:33What do you mean by that?
06:34What didn't you do?
06:36Well, I didn't.
06:36I never hit that mother.
06:38I've never raised a finger to that mother.
06:39When you said I wasn't or haven't been a good father, what did you mean?
06:42What do you think you haven't done?
06:44I haven't been there for her.
06:44Why not?
06:45You told my team it was Leslie's fault.
06:47She took the kids away.
06:48Isn't it true that you're an alcoholic?
06:50No, I'm not.
06:50I'm a recovering alcoholic.
06:51I've been driving for four years.
06:52Isn't it true that you were on drugs when you had the kids as well?
06:55No.
06:55And you're still smoking weed now.
06:56No, I'm not.
06:57Yes, you are.
06:57No, I'm not.
06:58I haven't touched weed for six months.
07:01Sorry?
07:01You don't think it's...
07:02Six months I've had.
07:03I think it's been done a drugs test.
07:04I'll give you that in a minute.
07:06But the thing that annoys me, you can buy a new phone, you can buy a new TV.
07:08No.
07:08You can spend money on different women.
07:10You have different women every month.
07:11Prostitutes.
07:11Why did you come here?
07:12I don't want nothing to do with him.
07:13What?
07:13To tell him straight that I don't want nothing to do with him and stay away from me and my
07:16grandkids
07:17and my mum.
07:17And nothing from you you've gone really quiet.
07:19She wasn't there when I had cancer at the age of 14, wasn't she?
07:22I couldn't walk...
07:23Couldn't walk for six months.
07:24You never told me.
07:25My mum tried to contact you.
07:26Six months I couldn't walk for, they were going to chop my leg from the hip down.
07:29Was you anywhere to be seen?
07:31No.
07:31She sent you Facebook messages.
07:33She texted you.
07:34She asked everybody in your family to get older.
07:36Can you keep changing your phone number?
07:38My number is always there for you.
07:41You've always had my number.
07:42No, you've changed your phone number three times.
07:44No, I haven't.
07:45I've always had the same number.
07:46The only reason I've changed it this time is because I was sick of you ringing my phone.
07:50You blocked me.
07:51You came here today.
07:52That was the end of the relationship.
07:53Yeah, but who phoned you?
07:54Who was phoning me at three and four o'clock in the morning?
07:56Well, that's what you do when you're a father.
07:58I knew you're a ridiculous human being.
08:02That's what you do, isn't it?
08:03Yeah, I didn't mind that, but you never went to a mower.
08:06The truth is, isn't the truth that you've done absolutely nothing?
08:10Can I speak?
08:10All you've done is go and procreate other kids.
08:12Your kids, they've had nothing from you.
08:15They didn't come here today to say, oh, daddy, let's restart this relationship.
08:19They came to say, you're a waste of space.
08:21Your son is coming out after the break.
08:23You're on national television saying, I don't even think he's mine.
08:26You've said from when he was first born that he's not yours.
08:29My family can prove it.
08:31Do you know your son who's coming?
08:32Listen to me.
08:33You've been brilliant.
08:33Do you know what your son said out there?
08:34He's coming on the show in a minute.
08:35Do you know what his biggest fear is?
08:36He's fuming me.
08:37Listen to this.
08:38My biggest fear in my life is that I'll end up like that.
08:42He's next.
08:42I'm right back.
08:43Don't go anywhere.
08:44I've tried for three years.
08:45All I've ever got off you is excuses.
08:47All you come and see me once in them three years.
08:50Once.
08:53I ain't bothered.
08:54You don't even know.
08:56I'm not pregnant, by the way.
08:58I can't have no more kids.
08:59All right?
08:59You've got six grandkids and you only know the name of one of them.
09:03The name is Six Grandkids?
09:04I really do.
09:04No idea.
09:06No idea.
09:07Because you're a waste of space.
09:08You know what?
09:20Before the break, Dan Allen came out and said,
09:21you know what?
09:22I had two kids with Leslie, Sherry-Ann and Graham.
09:25I don't know what happened.
09:26I mean, I tried to be a good dad.
09:28She took him away.
09:29There's some doubts about Graham because she's a cheat.
09:31I haven't perhaps done as much as I should, but I'm a loving man.
09:33They're making up vile rumors about me.
09:35They're saying I got a prostitute.
09:36They're saying I've faked a heart attack. I'm here to put it right. Sherri-Ann, you came out like an
09:41unbelievable saying
09:42I don't want anything to do with this guy. He's never been there. He was violent to my mother
09:45He was a cheat him and my brother about me and my brother had nothing from this guy
09:49You say your brother's fuming Graham is next on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
10:00You've got all the operations you've got you've faked yeah what about you breaking your leg you've you've got I'm
10:05supposed to have had a gastric bypass by whatever that thing is
10:08Yeah I'm waiting for the gastric bypass. Well yeah. You said she was having it in August. Yeah because they
10:12put it off because of my heart attack
10:13This is what I'm on about. It's always excuses after excuses after excuses
10:17I've let you use lots of arguments go yeah and I've had a word with you dad and said you
10:22know I'll come down mine
10:23I will pay for you to come down my house
10:24I'll even pay for you to get back. I'll even pay for just to come and see my kids. Do
10:28you know why?
10:29Because I'd rather my kids have a granddad. It's the best dad ever and what if he doesn't want to
10:33end up like you
10:33He does not want to end up like you. I feel scared yeah because sometimes I have my own actions
10:38yeah what remind me of you yeah
10:40What do you mean? What do you get reminded of Graham? Welcome to the show. What do you mean?
10:42When me and my partner are arguing and stuff like that it's like relationships. Did you ever see him be
10:47violent to your mother?
10:48No I haven't but my mom's had a police report my mom's told me my mom never told me till
10:53yesterday
10:54That's what she said. She says why would there be police reports unless you were violent then take a seat
10:58pal
10:58Oh come on mate do me a favor did you push her down the stairs?
11:03No I didn't push her down the stairs
11:04You sure about that? You're not much of a father I used to drink and he sometimes take drugs
11:08What sort of role model would you be? I'm a little bit amazed in fact I'm a little bit shocked
11:12she's amazing
11:12I know that you're passionate. Why are you here? She says I want zilch to do with him. He's let
11:18us down all his life
11:19Why are you here because?
11:21Personally that I've tried to build a relationship with him. I'm not saying I don't want a relationship with him
11:26I'm just saying that in my eyes. I don't what I think my kids deserve them
11:30Doesn't it show as a kid growing up you blamed yourself when he didn't show up you thought it was
11:34you how does that make you feel?
11:35Well that's the truth. We thought he didn't love us because you sent us Christmas presents
11:39Pound shop dolls
11:40What about the Formula One car dad?
11:43What about the Formula One car dad?
11:45What about the Formula One car dad?
11:47What you bought me for my birthday and you put it back in your boot?
11:49One at a time you can't talk over your mum took it back off your boot
11:52You're doing it again
11:53You threw it back at me
11:54I never threw it back at you
11:55You took it off him
11:57You let him have a go and then took it off him
11:59You said I'm taking it back home
12:00A big red Ferrari car outside the house
12:03You took it back home with you. You said it was his birthday present
12:05And let him have a go and then take it off him
12:07How devastating do you think he would have felt?
12:10Was he there when he got hit over the head and then got his head smashed open
12:13And he was in intensive care
12:14No, because nobody told me
12:16No, because you never in touch
12:18Nobody told me
12:19And you still haven't
12:21Do you know the most extraordinary thing about you is you still have many years down the line blaming the
12:25mother
12:25And you sit there shifting from one leg to the next
12:27You haven't attempted to say I'm responsible for this mess because you don't think that do you?
12:32Yeah, okay, I am responsible for some of this, Matt
12:34Did you make up your heart attack?
12:36No, I didn't make it up
12:36Have you slept with prostitutes?
12:38No, I haven't
12:38What sort of father do you think you've actually been, truthfully?
12:41For them, rubbish
12:41Right, well that's what it's about
12:43So why don't you get your head out of your backside and accept that, acknowledge it and apologise
12:47Because that's what it's about
12:50Right, you say growing up the guy doesn't turn up that has an impact on me and everything like that
12:54I'm mentally, mentally I've took other people as father figures, yeah
12:58And I've gone down some bad paths because of this situation, yeah
13:01Because my dad wasn't there for me
13:03So I've had to take other people who was like
13:05Do you believe in your dad?
13:07Yeah, I do
13:07My mum, I have 100%
13:09My mum's not going to lie to me about it
13:11Who's your new girlfriend?
13:13How long have you been with her?
13:14About a week?
13:15Ruth, it says on Facebook
13:16Is she pregnant yet?
13:17Is she going to have more kids?
13:18What about your other kids?
13:19Let's get Ruth on the Jeremy Kyle show
13:34I'm not pregnant by the way, I can't have no more kids, it's alright
13:41Who wasn't saying that you were pregnant?
13:42He's more bothered about different women every month
13:45Yes sir, he's been one day
13:46So how long have you been with him, love?
13:48How long have you been with him?
13:49Five weeks
13:50Five weeks?
13:52Why the hell are you here then?
13:53What happened to him?
13:55So, what do you mean, you don't know anything about him?
13:57Yes I do
13:57What do you know?
13:58He's lovely
13:59What's my date of birth?
14:01I don't know you two
14:02No, he's asking you
14:03Well then, why don't you know
14:04You know what I mean?
14:05I don't know
14:06This is between me and me
14:07You don't know his date of birth
14:08When's my birthday?
14:09You don't know that he's got
14:11Yeah, 22nd of August
14:12Wow
14:12You know one thing, wow
14:14Excuse me, you don't know your potential son's birthday?
14:17No
14:17You're horrible, aren't you?
14:19If you say so
14:20What's your grandkids' names?
14:23Kayla
14:23That's one
14:24Yeah
14:25I don't know the other one
14:26Yeah, because you've never let me get involved
14:31Yes you have
14:31I told you
14:33Come and see my kids
14:34One at a time
14:35When my daughter was first born, yeah
14:37You didn't come down and see me and have a drink with me when my daughter was born
14:41You didn't do that?
14:43You did do it?
14:44Yeah, I did
14:44Yeah, this is the point though
14:46You only made one effort to see her
14:48You've seen her twice in the whole four years of her life
14:50Right, would you say something?
14:50You've got six grandkids and you only know the name of one of them
14:53Maybe six grandkids?
14:54I've only just
14:55How old are they?
14:56No idea
14:57Because you're a waste of space
14:59Who's Charmaine?
15:00Who's my partner?
15:01Really?
15:01The mother of your kids?
15:02Charmaine's next on the show that way, Danny
15:09My daughter is
15:11How pathetic is that?
15:14Her birthday was about a week ago when she turned four
15:17No
15:18Happy birthday
15:19Nothing
15:21How bad is that?
15:23You missed me a good father
15:24No, do you know what?
15:25Nobody say a word
15:25Why don't you damn well answer?
15:26She's absolutely spot on
15:28And you've got another grandchild on the way
15:31Yeah, it's a boy
15:32Nobody told me
15:33Yes, we have
15:35Yes, we have
15:37We told you
15:38What did you say?
15:39Congratulations, son
15:40I hope everything goes okay
15:42Why would you give him a good wife?
15:43Don't even give him a second back
15:44Seriously, take it back
15:45At the end of the day, yeah
15:47If you had credit to ring this show
15:49That means you had credit to ring your kids as well
15:52I didn't have credit to ring this show
15:53I told you
15:54I didn't have credit to ring this show
15:56I didn't have credit to ring this show
15:56I didn't have anyone else's phone
15:57So why the hell didn't you phone your kids
15:59And find out how your grandchildren were
16:01Come on
16:01She's right
16:02I haven't got everything
16:04I haven't got everything on my phone
16:05You are
16:06You are
16:06Do you know what?
16:07The whole message is
16:08The last person
16:08Why are you so nice to him?
16:10He should be called Mr. Pathetic Excuse
16:11Do you know what makes me laugh, right?
16:13You've known where we lived
16:14You came to my house
16:15Why didn't you come back?
16:16You've came to visit my kids once
16:19Where was your visit?
16:20I asked you to help me for my daughter
16:22When you got a massive loan off the social
16:23You couldn't even help me do that, Dad
16:25He asked you for 20 quid
16:26And that's for my daughter
16:26Not for me
16:27I'm not going to lie
16:28I had to go do something wrong, yeah
16:31To go get that money after you said no
16:32You are there
16:33Yeah, and I got in trouble for it
16:35Right, how do you make that make me feel?
16:37I've had to go and do a legal crime
16:38To get money
16:39Because my dad can't help me
16:42Nobody lets him answer
16:43Be quiet, all of you
16:44Answer that
16:45I feel bad about it
16:47Well, why didn't you help me then?
16:49You had all that money at the time
16:51All you had to do
16:52Is put the money in the bank
16:53And I would have gave it your back
16:54I would have gave you twice as much to back
16:55Do you know what's really sad?
16:57No, bank's not detailed at all
16:58Do you know what?
17:00You are
17:00You are
17:00You are
17:01Please, guys, guys, guys, guys
17:02Please
17:03You are one of those people
17:04Who will fuck
17:05You can't even look anybody in the eyes, can you?
17:07Yeah
17:08Excuse after excuse
17:09Be it illness
17:10Be it the mother
17:11Be it a lack of credit on your phone
17:14You're gutless, man
17:15The one thing is, right
17:17And the tragedy of this story
17:19And it's ridiculous
17:20Is that the one person who wants
17:22And he's desperate to have a relationship with you
17:24Is the one son, right
17:27Everything he wants to give you
17:29You don't even believe he's yours
17:30You've done
17:31Do you know what?
17:32He doesn't even deserve that
17:33Why would you allow
17:35You're not interested, are you?
17:36Yeah
17:37You've done
17:37You've been to his house
17:39You've been to our house
17:40You are a selfish man
17:42Who is only a genius
17:43I have not been to his house
17:44You haven't done
17:45I went to the time I saw you
17:47You were in our house
17:48Let me ask you a question
17:49When you hope that the DNA says
17:51I've offered to meet you at the train station
17:53I've offered
17:53Do you know what?
17:54She's never said a bad word about you
17:56Do you know that?
17:56And you sit there and say she's an evil
17:58Do you know what?
17:59She's always stood by you
18:00And sat there
18:02All she's done is ever stand by your side
18:04And say
18:04She'd let your dad
18:05Can you stop now?
18:06Can you stop?
18:07Answer me this
18:09You'd love it if this DNA said Graham wasn't yours
18:11Wouldn't you?
18:12No
18:14Prove you right about their mother, wouldn't it?
18:16No
18:17You're the liar
18:17Why am I?
18:18You're the violent person
18:19You're the one that's made it
18:21I'm not the violent person
18:21I wasn't sleeping on my own
18:22Five weeks you've been with him
18:23He doesn't look so good now, does he?
18:26Brilliant
18:27And not just that
18:29You've only seen your grandchild twice
18:31He didn't just hit my mum
18:32It's like you hit him
18:33Well
18:33I know but
18:34Hit him four years
18:35Well I know when this goes out
18:36There won't be a woman in the United Kingdom
18:38Who'll touch you with a barge pole
18:41That's the way it is
18:43Graham, seriously
18:44You say that you have no doubt
18:46Your mother wouldn't lie
18:47She's been the one rock solid person in your life
18:49Apart from your lady
18:50This man said I had doubts
18:52Didn't do anything about it
18:53By the way, this was shocking
18:54He did a drugs test
18:55And he was completely clear
18:57This is the first time ever
18:58The DNA test results show that Adam
19:01She was a cheat, yeah?
19:03You are his dad
19:04You weren't violent
19:05She was a cheat
19:06She's a liar
19:07She's poisoned your kids against you
19:09I would venture differently
19:10Because you are his biological dad
19:19And you deny me
19:21How can you deny me?
19:23I'm sorry
19:24That's all you can say
19:25That's not a word I want to hear from Graham
19:26Sorry, it's not good enough
19:27You know that
19:27I hate myself sometimes
19:30Because I felt like I've lost you away from me
19:33I've sat there and thought of my family's lying to me
19:35I've sat there and disagreed and argued
19:38Maybe I shouldn't have listened to people
19:39For your case, I'm the one who's arguing with my whole family
19:42For you
19:43I'm not even joking, Dad
19:44Everybody else has told me to forget about you
19:46Because you're a waste of space
19:47And you know what?
19:48I've gone behind everybody
19:49And said, no, I'll try
19:50I'll try and try and make a relationship with you
19:52I've tried for three years
19:54All I've ever got off you is excuses
19:56Or you'll come and see me once in them three years
19:58Once
20:00I've always wanted a relationship with my dad
20:02That's what my son, yeah
20:03Will never go a day without me
20:05Never
20:05I swear that on both of my kids' lives
20:07Will never ever go a day without me
20:09The only time I'll ever do that
20:11Is if I'm in hospital in intensive care
20:14APPLAUSE
20:16Which is very violent
20:17Because I want that to my person
20:19What they're going through
20:20Do you know what's extraordinary?
20:22Can I?
20:22By the way, you're amazing
20:23And no thanks to that
20:25What's extraordinary is
20:26Is that there's no sense of emotion
20:29There's no sense of apology
20:30There's no sense of acceptance
20:32That this is absolutely you
20:34You just muttered under your breath
20:35I shouldn't have listened to people
20:36You listen to everybody
20:38Who slagged their mother
20:39And these kids, right
20:41What do you think about this?
20:43Absolutely
20:44Do you know the most important thing?
20:46You think it's funny, do you?
20:47Why don't you do one then?
20:48Go away
20:48Because you haven't said anything
20:49Go
20:49Go away
20:50Go
20:53You
20:53See ya
20:54You
20:55Are responsible for this
20:57Yeah
20:57And you do not have a shred of morality about you
21:01Because you can't even
21:02Do you know what, mate?
21:03They should
21:04I get
21:05Because people have told me for a long time
21:07That even the worst people
21:08If he's your father
21:09If it's your mother
21:10But tell me what you will get
21:12Because you've just delivered the line of all lines
21:14You said
21:14All it's been for three years is excuses
21:16All it's been this morning is excuses
21:19The illnesses
21:20The inability
21:21The no money
21:22The no credit
21:22If you're a father
21:24You'd walk to be with him, wouldn't you?
21:26You'd do anything to be with her
21:27You'd support them and love them
21:29It's not about money
21:30You are a selfish, lazy slob
21:33I'm going to be perfectly honest
21:34And I don't care if I get slagged
21:36Who is more interested in himself and his latest bird
21:39Than his kids
21:40And they are far better off away from you
21:43Because you've got no passion
21:45No desire
21:46And no fight in you at all
21:47You are a waste of space
21:49By a merry mile
21:50You are
21:51One at a time
21:55One at a time
21:56You'll get money for it
21:58Spend the money
21:59And you're sitting in your kids
22:00You've got an Xbox
22:01Sell that
22:02I haven't got the Xbox anymore
22:03Do you love your kids?
22:04You have to do them
22:05You have to do them
22:05You have to do them
22:05You have to do them
22:06You have to do them
22:06You have to do them
22:07You have to do them
22:07You have to do them
22:08You have to do them
22:09You have to do them
22:09You have to do them
22:09One at a time
22:11Where's your money going
22:12If you don't spend 19
22:13Your kids
22:14I'm constantly
22:15You're getting paid my bills
22:16I am so glad I got rid of you
22:17You left my life
22:18And you did
22:19Because you know what
22:19I feel sorry for my sister
22:20And your brother
22:21The youngest ones
22:21That you are going to
22:22Screw up big time
22:23I hope they stay away from you
22:25I am telling you now
22:26I feel sorry for them
22:28Sherri-Anne
22:28You don't want a relationship
22:29With him
22:30No
22:30What about you?
22:31No, no, no, no
22:32No more
22:34And I don't blame him
22:35I've told him
22:36Since we got here
22:37Do not go anywhere near him
22:38Stay away from him
22:39Sherri-Anne
22:39Wait a second
22:40Wait a second
22:42You do want a relationship
22:43With your dad
22:43No
22:44At the beginning he did
22:46Tell the truth
22:46He did want you to
22:47He did
22:48He did really want you to
22:49He said he wanted
22:50To go back stage
22:51You do me a favour
22:52You do me a favour
22:53You go backstage for me
22:54Yeah
22:54Will you go backstage
22:55For me Sherri-Anne
22:56I will but I don't want
22:57Nothing to do with him
22:58Just go that way
23:03Do me a favour
23:04Open your ears
23:06And close your mouth
23:08Talk to me
23:11Just feel like
23:12My whole life's a joke
23:13Because
23:15The situation
23:15With where I've been brought up
23:17And the stuff I've been through
23:19In my life
23:19Because of not
23:20Having my dad about
23:21Can I tell you
23:22What's amazing about you
23:24Is that that
23:24Impassioned 30 second speech
23:26Just then about your own kid
23:28And that you would
23:28Never ever
23:29Not be with your boy
23:31Unless you were
23:32In intensive care
23:33And unconscious
23:34That is intrinsically
23:35In your heart and soul
23:36You weren't taught that
23:37Now a lot of
23:38I was away from my kids
23:39For two months mate
23:40And it absolutely
23:40Taught me apart
23:41What I'm saying to you is this
23:43You don't need any father figure
23:45To teach you how to be a dad
23:47You don't actually need somebody
23:49Who's constantly let you down
23:50You've got an amazing lady
23:51And you've got a family
23:52And strangely
23:53With what you've been through
23:54Strangely is the wrong word
23:55You've actually got
23:56An absolutely clear understanding
23:58Of how you should treat your kids
23:59Personally
24:01For me
24:02Having done this a long time
24:03It's about passion and apology
24:05It's about consequences
24:07There's nothing
24:08This
24:08Is a bag of excuses
24:10You
24:11Are a better man than him
24:12I don't think you need
24:14To be dragged down
24:14I understand when people want
24:16You know
24:17An understanding
24:18Of where they come from
24:19But don't mess your family unit up
24:21By chasing something
24:22Because you know what
24:22He might try for five minutes
24:24But then he'll go off
24:24And play his Xbox
24:25I imagine
24:26That's how I feel
24:28I don't know
24:28I've got a job
24:29I haven't got the Xbox
24:34Why don't you pick your crutches up
24:36And get lost
24:37Because you're a waste of space
24:38I promise you
24:41I promise you
24:50Thinks it's funny yeah
24:52You're a better man than that
24:53Okay
24:54We're going to deal
24:55And look after you
24:56And Sherry-Ann
24:57You've both got to where you are
24:58Without any help from them
24:59You do not need to be dragged down
25:01Sadly and tragically
25:02Some people are not up to the task
25:03You are
25:04Alright
25:05Really good to meet you
25:06Go and meet Graeme
25:06Give him a round of applause
25:07Thanks
25:11Extraordinary isn't it
25:12You think that
25:13Even if you split with a mother
25:14Even if you fall out
25:15That your kids will be everything
25:17This man
25:17Just my opinion
25:18You might think differently
25:19He doesn't care about anybody
25:20But himself
25:20And they've made
25:21Their minds up
25:22They make their own decisions
25:23And that is something
25:24That has to be understood
25:25He
25:26Will end up sad and lonely
25:27Without a woman
25:28One day we hope
25:29After the break on this stage
25:30A man desperate to prove
25:31He hasn't stolen from his girlfriend
25:33I've got a lie to take to next
25:34I'm right back
25:35Very possible way
25:36That it's just gone disappearing
25:37So what you're saying
25:39Is that you believe
25:40That either she
25:40Or him
25:42Nick the money
25:42Well there's no one else
25:44In the house
25:44There has to be
25:46Who do you want to do first
25:47Your choice darling
25:49Your boyfriend of a few months
25:51Or your best mate of 15 years
25:54Can we do Susie's first
25:56Susie's
26:06Hello Jeremy
26:07Come with me
26:09Get your head up
26:10Get yourself sat up straight
26:15Come on there big boy
26:17I've waited all morning for this
26:19Bring it on
26:21I touch my body
26:23Come on
26:25Come on Jeremy
26:28I'm coming to get you
26:30I'm coming to get you
26:31I don't know
26:40It's supposed to go
26:41It's alright Jez
26:42Go there
26:43Where are you going now?
26:49Go for a breather a minute
26:50You're going wrong day
26:54Have you been accused of cheating?
26:56Do you need to prove your innocence
26:57With a lie detector?
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27:28My friends welcome back
27:29My next guest today Lee is here
27:31Because he is one of two suspects
27:32Accused of stealing money
27:33From his girlfriend Helen
27:34Now Lee says
27:35He cannot wait to show Helen
27:36He's not the thief
27:37But he knows full well
27:38How devastating it will be
27:39When she learns the fact
27:41That it's not him
27:41And it must be her best mate Susie
27:44This guy says
27:44I haven't done it
27:46Lee's on the Kyle show
27:55Let's cut to the chase
27:56How long have you been with Helen for?
27:58Well I've known her
27:59Since I got out of prison in January
28:01Officially we've been together
28:03What were you in prison for?
28:04Last couple of months
28:04Street robbery
28:07Sorry can we just rewind
28:08Yeah
28:09You're on the Jeremy Kyle show
28:10To do a lie detector
28:11Because your girlfriend thinks
28:11You've nicked some money
28:12And you've only been with her
28:13Since you've gone out of prison
28:14From nicking things
28:16Basically but
28:18That's not me no more
28:19Since I've met Helen
28:19She doesn't look great though
28:20She doesn't
28:21No of course I don't
28:21I mean you are right there
28:23As prime suspect number one
28:24Aren't you?
28:26At least you're honest about it
28:27That's why I'm here
28:28I love Helen
28:28I've taken her daughter on as my own
28:30Why would I steal from her?
28:31She is the reason
28:32I've changed my life
28:32Yeah
28:34Basically yeah
28:35Susie
28:36That's her best friend
28:38They've known each other
28:38For quite a while
28:39But at the end of the day
28:40There's only two other people
28:41That could have been
28:42Me or her
28:42And if it's not me
28:43The money was actually
28:44For Helen's children
28:45It's not
28:46And I've said this before
28:46On the show
28:47It's not about actually
28:47How much
28:48It's the principle
28:48Of the fact that
28:49Maybe your boyfriend
28:49Who used to steal off people
28:50And went to prison
28:52Or your best mate
28:53Might have nicked from you
28:55What happened?
28:56What's the story?
28:57It went missing from the house
28:58From a secret place
28:59What?
28:59Basically
29:00Every time I get paid
29:01From work
29:02Or shiggy shig
29:03Are you all working?
29:03Yeah
29:03I'm working
29:04We always put money aside
29:06Whether it's change or notes
29:07And we put it in a pot
29:08And the rest of it
29:09But this time
29:11One night
29:12Helen's given me some change
29:14And asked me to put it in a pot
29:15I didn't know where the pot was
29:16So I've left it at the end of the bed
29:17I've got in the bath
29:18And then I've gone to bed
29:19Obviously for work next morning
29:21Helen's rang me up next morning
29:22And basically half accused me
29:23Of stealing it
29:24Where's the money out of the pot?
29:25Where's the pot?
29:26And the rest of it
29:27What's that done?
29:28How long ago was that?
29:29It's about three, four weeks ago
29:30What's it like now?
29:31Terrible
29:31It's horrible
29:33Because at the end of the day
29:33She's all about hiding money
29:34And her bank cards
29:36She's just shady around me
29:38So she asked you
29:39But instantly she thinks
29:40My God it could be him
29:41So the relationship suffered
29:42Yeah?
29:43Yeah
29:43Tell me more about this Susie
29:44Why would it be her?
29:45She's been mates
29:46How long with her?
29:46Two years?
29:48Yeah
29:48No
29:49I've known Susie about two years
29:51Nice girl?
29:52Yeah
29:52She's a good girl
29:53Capable of being a tea leaf?
29:54I wouldn't like to think so
29:55Well so if she's not capable of it
29:57And you've done it before
29:57You'd be the prime suspect then
29:59Wouldn't you?
29:59I think most people think
30:00I am the prime suspect
30:01Who rang the show?
30:02We both emailed
30:03As soon as the accusations come out
30:05I said right
30:06I'll email Jeremy Kyle
30:07That's very nice of you
30:08Thanks very much
30:09Otherwise I'd be here on my own
30:12Susie's next
30:12She's Helen
30:13Your girlfriend's best mate
30:14For 15 years
30:15Susie
30:15Suspect number two
30:16That way
30:25What's the story babe?
30:27Well me and Ellen
30:28We've been friends
30:29For like 14 years
30:30Like ever since we were tiny
30:31We've gone through
30:32Thick and thin together
30:33Like
30:33You nicked the money?
30:34No
30:34You nicked the money then?
30:36I don't
30:36I don't want to accuse anyone
30:38But obviously there was only us two
30:39In the house
30:40So
30:41And he's done it before?
30:43Yeah he has
30:44But I don't want to believe
30:45That he has done it
30:45And I don't want to say
30:46That he has
30:47But
30:48Where's it gone then?
30:50I'd love to know myself
30:51The money fairy's come
30:52And taken it
30:53That's why I'm here today
30:54Just to prove myself
30:55What's it like being accused babe?
30:56It's horrible
30:57For the fact that I've known her
30:58For the last 14 years
30:59Like
30:59It's the most horriblest thing
31:01To even think
31:02That you can consider
31:03That I've taken the money
31:04That's why I'm here today
31:06When you found
31:07That they called the show
31:08Yeah
31:08Were you instantly
31:09Yeah I'm going to go
31:10And clear my name
31:10Or was it like
31:11Oh my god
31:11This was because
31:12I called it
31:13I sent the email
31:14And they called me yesterday
31:16And as soon as they called me
31:18I was like
31:18I'm coming
31:19I want to clear my name
31:20Did you steal the money?
31:22No I didn't
31:22Did you steal the money?
31:24No I didn't
31:24Let's get the woman
31:24Who had it done
31:25Either the best mate
31:26Or the boyfriend
31:26Helen's on the show
31:27She's coming that way
31:38Helen's on the show
31:40I always put myself
31:41In the position
31:42Of the person
31:42Who's had this taken
31:43You are
31:44You're stuck in the middle
31:44You love your boyfriend
31:45You're hoping it's not him
31:47And your best mate
31:48Where's your head at?
31:49Truthfully
31:50Speak to me
31:51I don't really know
31:52To be honest
31:53I wouldn't want to think
31:53It's either of them
31:54But obviously
31:55They were the only two
31:56In the house
32:00Money for your kids
32:01Right?
32:02And that is a
32:03That is a line
32:04That nobody should cross
32:05If anybody on this stage
32:07Has done that
32:08That's pretty disgusting
32:09Yeah?
32:11I've done this a long time
32:13Everybody knows
32:14There are situations
32:15Where
32:16I mean it could have been
32:17Misplaced
32:18Something could have happened
32:19And actually
32:19It's neither of the persons
32:21So
32:22What happens if that's the case?
32:24I'm not having a go at you
32:25But you've accused your boyfriend
32:25Your best mate
32:26Of being a tea leaf
32:28There's no possible way
32:29That it's just gone disappearing
32:31So what you're saying
32:32Is that you believe
32:33That either she
32:34Or him
32:35Nick the money
32:36Well there's no one else
32:38In the house
32:38It has to be
32:39And what happens?
32:40What happens if it's him?
32:42I don't know yet
32:43Obviously
32:44I'd have to just think
32:45About what's going to happen
32:47It would probably
32:48Be obviously the end of it
32:49Because I couldn't have
32:50People around me
32:51That's good news
32:52Isn't it?
32:52If you have nicked it
32:53She's not going to dump you
32:54I haven't nicked it
32:55So I've got nothing to worry about
32:55What about her?
32:56If she's nicked it
32:57She's crossed the line
32:58The godmother of your kid
32:59What happens to that?
32:59Friendship still going on?
33:01If either of them done it
33:02I'd have to both end
33:03End them both
33:06Who do you want to do first?
33:08Your choice darling
33:09Oh my god
33:14Your choice absolutely
33:16Your boyfriend of a few months
33:19Or your best mate of 15 years
33:21I've got Susie in my left hand
33:23I've got Lee in my right hand
33:24Who do you want to go?
33:25Can we do Susie first please?
33:27Susie's
33:28Best mate of 15 years
33:31A girl who said
33:32She would not cross that line
33:35We asked Susie
33:37Did you steal any of the missing money
33:39From the pot in Helen's house?
33:42You said no didn't you?
33:43Yeah
33:43Of course she said no
33:44Why did she say no?
33:46Because I was a liar
33:46I'm not a thief
33:48This test says you're a liar love
33:49No
33:51I'm not lying
33:53Move yourself
33:54Can I tell you something
33:55That you won't believe?
33:56Move yourself
33:57No no you wait
33:57I'm going to tell you something
33:59In a minute
33:59And it's important I say it
34:04I'm not a thief
34:07I'm going to tell you something
34:08And I'm going to tell everybody
34:09Watching this show
34:14We asked Lee
34:15Did you steal any of the missing money
34:16From the money pot in Helen's house?
34:18He said no
34:18And I'm going to take a moment
34:20To say something
34:22The remit of this show
34:23Is for people
34:24To be able to change their lives
34:26And change he did
34:28Because he passed both questions
34:31I knew that
34:32I knew that
34:34I knew that
34:36I knew that
34:36I knew that
34:37I know
34:37But I knew that
34:41Where's the friend gone?
34:42Where are you going to?
34:43Aren't you going to hang around
34:43And speak to your mate then?
34:45What are you going to do?
34:45What are you doing?
34:46What are you doing?
34:46I'm not having all that rubbish
34:47Why don't you get out of here
34:48And be old enough
34:49And mature enough
34:49Because you're not crying
34:50Because you're nicked the money
34:51So why don't you explain
34:51I didn't do it
34:52Yes you did
34:52And it's easy to blame him
34:53Because he was a tea leaf
34:54Well he passed love
34:55And you failed
34:56So start speaking the truth
34:57I've got no reason
34:58To walk away
34:59I've got
34:59I've done
35:00What the test's wrong is it?
35:02How?
35:02The test is wrong is it?
35:04Yeah it obviously is
35:05I don't believe it's wrong at all
35:06Speak to your ex best mate
35:08I've sweared
35:10I haven't done it
35:12Yeah exactly
35:12That's what makes it more disgusting
35:14I haven't done it
35:16Look at your body language next to his
35:18You need to speak
35:19Everyone from Helen's family
35:20And all her friends
35:21Have suspected me of doing it
35:23I wouldn't bring myself here
35:25Because of my ex-drug issues
35:26And me going in and out of prison
35:27Since I was the age of 11 years old
35:29Everyone thought it was me
35:30I think you did it
35:33Knowing that everybody
35:34Everybody
35:34And I mean everybody
35:35Would pick him
35:36I think it was absolutely
35:38Why are you shaking?
35:39I didn't do it
35:39Of course you did
35:40No I didn't
35:40And you knew he'd be framed
35:41Why did he pass and you failed then?
35:43I didn't do it
35:44Helen you need to speak
35:46Susie
35:47If you swore
35:48How can you swear on a child's life
35:52If you've taken something so petty
35:54I haven't taken it
35:57Yeah you did
35:58To this day I've said to her
35:59I'll give her the money
36:00For the fact that I haven't taken it
36:01Why would you give her the money
36:02If you didn't steal it?
36:03Do you know what?
36:04I'm nearly learning something this morning
36:05Because I'd have judged
36:06I'm going to say something
36:06I would have judged you
36:07When I read this this morning
36:08You've just delivered the absolute line
36:10Why would you offer to give her the money?
36:11Money has gone missing
36:12Why would you offer to give her the money?
36:13He's dead
36:14Absolutely dead right
36:15Stand by him completely
36:17Look in his eyes
36:18And look in your eyes
36:19And do you know what?
36:20He's right
36:20I'd have done it
36:21Everybody else would have gone
36:22Tea leaf
36:23Druggy
36:23Waste of space
36:24I did it when I said
36:25You'd been in prison
36:25He loves this woman
36:27He's took the kid on
36:27He ain't nicked it
36:29You have
36:30Thank you
36:31Thank you
36:35Helen
36:36I don't want to go around in circles
36:37You asked us to do it
36:38You'll make your own mind up
36:39You're leaving with him
36:40What happens to your friendship?
36:42I don't even have a clue anymore
36:44You can't steal off your best friend's daughter
36:47There's not anything
36:48Graham's waiting backstage
36:49Maybe the two of you sit down
36:50Maybe you've got something to say
36:52I've got nothing to say
36:53If they want to talk
36:53It's up to them
36:54I'll talk
36:55But I don't think
36:55That's going to go too far
36:57You tell her the truth backstage
36:59Yeah
36:59Because I know within half of now
37:00Somebody will say something
37:01I'm just going to repeat myself
37:02I'm sorry for you
37:02You need to learn the truth
37:03You taught me something this morning
37:05Good luck to you
37:06Keep on the straight and narrow
37:07You've got a good woman
37:07You two go that way
37:08You go that way
37:08Give them a round of applause
37:15It's my fault
37:16Right, we're back after this way
37:18We're not a lie detector
37:19Don't go anywhere
37:20I'm right back
37:20We asked Anthony
37:21Since the start of your relationship
37:23Twelve years
37:25Sixteen
37:25Since the start of your relationship
37:26Patricia
37:27Have you passionately kissed any other person
37:28You said no
37:28Why say no?
37:29No, no, no, no, no
37:38Hello, Jeremy
37:40Hello
37:40Hello
37:40Come with me
37:42Get your leg up
37:43Get yourself sat up straight
37:45I came to get down
37:47I came to get down
37:48Come on there, big bullshit
37:49I've waited all morning for this
37:51Bring it on
37:54I touch my bungee
38:01I'm coming to get you. I'm coming to get you. I'm coming to get you. What? I don't know that!
38:07Why do you keep your eyes?
38:12I'm supposed to go, it's all right, Jez. Go there, Jez.
38:18Shut up!
38:20Where are you going now? Go for a breather a minute. You're going the wrong way.
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38:59CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
39:00My friends, welcome back. My next guest today, Anthony is here for crucial lie detector results with his fiancée, Tricia.
39:06Now, Anthony claims that she is convinced that he cheated on her whilst he was working as a pizza delivery
39:11man.
39:12He has taken a test and says he's not a cheat. He was just delivering pizzas, not a filling. Anthony's
39:19on the Jeremy Cloud show that way.
39:23APPLAUSE
39:28You're a pizza delivery man. Did you have a bike or a car?
39:31A car. Brilliant.
39:32I was. I'm not now.
39:33You're not now. I just want to make this point about this story because it's a little bit different.
39:37You and Tricia, right, have been together for 12 years.
39:42Roughly 12 years.
39:43Since they were 16.
39:4416.
39:45Aww.
39:47Three kids.
39:49Aww.
39:50On the Jeremy Kyle show, though.
39:54Planning the wedding, engaged, everything's fine, but there are sort of discrepancies. You've both decided to do a test.
40:02You've actually arranged to get married to why she's cancelled it. What's her issue with you? Why are you here?
40:08From the start of the relationship, er, being accused constantly.
40:14Why does she think you're a cheat? Was it when you were delivering pizzas?
40:18And that time, yeah.
40:19They wanted a different filling than the one. I don't know. You wanted to show them your stuffed crust.
40:24Well, wait, I'm confused.
40:27I'm confused.
40:28So she's always accused you since you started delivering pizzas and it's carried on?
40:33It's carried on.
40:33But you've had three kids.
40:34Mm-hmm.
40:35Didn't some other woman say that you fathered a child with her?
40:39Yeah, the time I was in hospital. When I had a bad chest. Apparently she phoned Trisha and...
40:45You scare me slightly.
40:48She phoned Trisha and said, er, she wants child maintenance office because she's carrying my kid.
40:56Are you going to pass the test?
40:58Definitely.
40:58You only ever delivered pizza?
41:00Yeah.
41:01Why is she doing one? She didn't work as a pizza...
41:04Just make it simple, please. I'm going on holiday in February.
41:07Why is she doing... Why is she doing one?
41:10Just in case she's hiding somewhere.
41:12She's blaming me for all... She's accusing me all the time. Is it there? I was hiding somewhere.
41:17Right. Okay.
41:18Just to settle it.
41:19Settle it all.
41:20Mm-hmm.
41:22Trisha's on the Jeremy Cowell Show.
41:32Hello.
41:33How are you working for the show?
41:3512 years is a long time, anybody's standards. You've been together since you were 16.
41:38Childhood sweethearts.
41:39Even from the start, you had doubts. Why?
41:43All the phone calls. People jealous. Sticking their noses in. I was getting phone calls when he was like doing
41:47pizza delivering this, that and the other.
41:49And someone said that they were kind of used to kid. I think it's just jealous, really.
41:54But you stayed together. Um, a girl rang, I'm sorry, and then in between him delivering pizzas, he was delivering
42:01her in her bed. That's dreadful.
42:03Um, you say you've always felt it. You've had this relationship. You've had three kids. You keep cancelling the wedding.
42:10What's your gut instinct about this guy?
42:12Sigh.
42:13When you look in his eyes, what do you think? Come on!
42:16I do believe him.
42:17Why are we doing a test then?
42:19Put my mind at rest.
42:20Talk to everybody else.
42:21Yes.
42:23Do you spend a lot of time with him?
42:24Yes, apart from when he's at work.
42:27Oh, you work? That's good.
42:28Oh, yeah, he's a full-time self-employed ground worker.
42:30Ground worker?
42:31Yeah.
42:37You are a good man, and you are a good dad, and the two of you have been together a
42:40long time, which is...
42:41I'm on the second step, because I'm slightly scared of your eyes.
42:43Um, but you say...
42:45You see, this is... He just went, well, it's only fair. Why are you doing a test?
42:49To prove to him, because he's accused me in the past.
42:51Have you cheated?
42:52No, definitely not.
42:53Nothing at all?
42:54No.
42:55No touching?
42:56No, nothing.
42:57Nothing.
42:58Full house?
42:58I'm going to go full house, Jeremy.
43:00Brilliant.
43:00What about you, my friend?
43:02Full house.
43:02Absolutely, absolutely.
43:04Full house.
43:05Please.
43:06Thank you very much, Steve.
43:07You all right, Will?
43:08Always lovely to see you.
43:09Uh, so, Anthony, as ever the questions that were asked, the answers that he gave, and whether you were telling
43:13the truth or not on the Jeremy Kyle Lider test, we asked Anthony, since the start of your relationship, 12
43:17years, 16, since the start of your relationship with Tricia, have you passionately kissed any other person? You said no.
43:22Why did you say no?
43:35I haven't had sex with anyone?
43:37You did get a full house. This test says you failed every single question.
43:40I haven't.
43:41I haven't.
43:41Babes, I haven't.
43:42That's me good feeling. I've had that good feeling for years.
43:44Test's wrong, isn't it?
43:45I swear.
43:45No, I haven't.
43:47I swear.
43:48Is the test wrong?
43:49It's got to be.
43:52Come on then, get mine, because mine's a full house.
43:54I haven't slept with anyone.
43:55Mine's definitely one million percent full house.
44:01I haven't slept with anyone.
44:02Well, watch mine.
44:04I haven't slept with anyone.
44:05Watch mine.
44:07Since the start of your relationship with Anthony, have you passionately kissed anyone else? You said no. Why did you
44:11say no?
44:12I was telling the truth.
44:12This test says you're lying as well.
44:15See?
44:15No, no, no, no.
44:17Are you?
44:18Can I just point out, can I just point out, so you believe this, but now you're going to tell
44:22me you don't believe that?
44:22No, I don't believe that in anyone.
44:23Oh, right, so you don't believe anything, because you failed every single question as well.
44:27No.
44:28See?
44:29No, definitely.
44:30That's why I wanted to pay for that.
44:31Or, could we not think that you were 16? Can we just do something for a change?
44:35Let's just do this, because this is the first...
44:38No, that's not me.
44:38That's not me.
44:38If you go in that test and you lie, look at me. You are telling me, both of you, just
44:44calmly for a second, that at no point, listen to me, in 12 years you've never kissed anybody else.
44:51From the age of 16, you haven't done anything.
44:54Like I said to that lad, who done this, I turned around and said, you want to have to say
44:58it from the day I met, because I met him at 16.
45:00That's what they said from the day you met.
45:02Yeah, but when I met you...
45:03But you believed it, you said I always knew, and you said I'm a billion percent.
45:06No, I had a good feeling.
45:06You said you always had a gut feeling, and when he failed it, you believed it.
45:11Yeah.
45:11Something happened that was enough to show, definitely.
45:14No, I don't know.
45:14You've never kissed another man?
45:16No.
45:16No?
45:16No, definitely.
45:18I don't know.
45:19I need to know.
45:19I need to know.
45:20That's why I need...
45:20I said to you I wanted to pay.
45:22You've got right away with it, haven't you?
45:23I haven't, honestly, I swear to God.
45:25No, that's why I wanted to pay.
45:27I know...
45:27Do you know what, right?
45:28I can sit here and say, I know she hasn't slept with anybody else.
45:30I know I haven't.
45:31I don't believe in it.
45:32You've never kissed anybody else?
45:33No, I haven't.
45:33She hasn't, you've never kissed anyone?
45:35No, definitely not.
45:36From the age of 16, so the test's wrong, yeah?
45:38Yeah.
45:38In my eyes, yeah.
45:39That's why I said to you.
45:40In my eyes, it's absolutely spot on.
45:45It's a complete waste of time, yes.
45:46Yes, I know.
45:47I know, I haven't.
45:48I swear down.
45:50Well, you've wasted your time, I've wasted money, and the crew, I'm paying them to do
45:54nothing, so a waste of time in your mind, yeah?
45:56It's all your face, love.
45:57So, I'm...
45:58Yeah, I'm not being funny or nothing, but I swear down on anything you want me to, right?
46:02Don't do that.
46:02No, I don't...
46:03Something happened that made it out that you were lying.
46:05Yes, it did.
46:06I got with him at the age of 16, and I was only with him a few months before I
46:09turned
46:0917.
46:10It doesn't matter about your age, I'm just saying.
46:12I don't know.
46:14We haven't done that.
46:15No, no, I haven't.
46:18Listen, in which case, let's do this, come here.
46:21Let's do this.
46:22You can go and get married now.
46:23No.
46:23Perfect.
46:25What do you want me to do?
46:27I knew it, that's why I said you wanted to pay for one.
46:29Do you know the problem is?
46:30You believed it about him, didn't you?
46:32No, I had a good feeling for years about it.
46:34He cheated on you.
46:35I hope not.
46:36Didn't you?
46:37I haven't, no.
46:39All these years, nothing.
46:40All these years.
46:40All these people calling just out of the blue, your boyfriend's baby pregnant.
46:43Where's...
46:43Oh, that's from another land.
46:44Even previous partners, I haven't even cheated on them.
46:46I don't believe in it.
46:47It's sick.
46:47Listen, you make your own mind up, okay?
46:49You asked us to do something, we do it.
46:51You know, without any shadow of a doubt, what you know to be the truth.
46:55If you're happy to diss that and believe each other, the wedding can go ahead.
47:00But it's very interesting to say that when his test failed him, you believed that and
47:04you said you would pass.
47:06Something, somewhere happened.
47:07Mine hasn't.
47:08That's all I can say to you.
47:09I know, I think not.
47:09Well, then go and get married then.
47:11Definitely not.
47:12Well, then go and get married.
47:13I never have time.
47:14I've got three kids to look after.
47:16Well, do you want to go with him and get married?
47:17Or do you want to go separately and...
47:18I think you should go and get married.
47:20No.
47:20You're not getting married now.
47:22Because you think he cheated, don't you?
47:23No, I don't.
47:24But, I know.
47:25You don't want to get married then?
47:26I know I haven't.
47:27I know you haven't.
47:28I know I haven't.
47:29Can I...
47:29I do have to...
47:30I've got to pick my kids up from school.
47:32Can we get a move on?
47:33Is that...
47:33You know, that...
47:35That's wrong.
47:36Completely, utterly wrong.
47:37Well, leave together and have a chat with Graham and then go and say...
47:39Yeah, I will.
47:40Yeah, go on then.
47:40Go that...
47:41That's very nice.
47:41Bye.
47:44Michael.
47:49I'm out of time for this morning.
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47:54To my guest, to this audience, to William, of course, who's brilliant.
47:57And to all of you watching at home, thanks for watching.
47:59Take care, bye-bye.
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