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00:00On today's show...
00:01Did you sext other men?
00:03No, not really.
00:05No, it's not my style, Jamie.
00:06You're a liar.
00:07Don't f*** me!
00:09Don't even touch me, Jamie!
00:10Don't even touch me!
00:12Don't even touch me!
00:12You're like a part of one in this relationship, not me!
00:14Oh, shut up your ass.
00:15Oh, yeah, that's my shirt.
00:16That's my shirt.
00:17That's a f***.
00:18Oh, my money.
00:18Whatever.
00:19If you start flouncing, then you'd be able to have your say.
00:22Have you been sexting?
00:23No.
00:24Well, why would he say that?
00:26So why did you...
00:27Shut up!
00:27Shut up!
00:28Where are you going now?
00:29Away from here.
00:35Having been locked out, you thought I'm going to climb through it.
00:38What the top is?
00:39Yeah, no, I'm skinny, but I couldn't get through it.
00:41I got two scratches down there.
00:43And I got stuck.
00:44You go home?
00:45I have a night of passion.
00:47What?
00:48One thing leads to another.
00:49You rip your clothes off and she goes,
00:51What have you done, you dirty git?
00:53She chucked us out of my boxer shorts.
01:06What?
01:10What?
01:17Thank you very much indeed. Good morning and as ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:21Now, my first guest today, Jamie, is furious with his ex-boyfriend Craig
01:25and he's here today for a final confrontation.
01:28He says, I want answers as to why Craig ransacked my flat
01:31and ended this relationship without warning.
01:33Now, to make matters worse, Jamie was violently attacked by a stranger
01:36just a few weeks ago and believes that ex-Craig organised it.
01:40Massive day. He's on the show.
01:42Jamie, ladies and gentlemen.
01:52Many questions about you and the ex-Craig.
01:56You're 36, he's 22.
01:58Let's just talk before we talk about the breakdown.
02:00The relationship lasted for a year and a half.
02:03Yeah.
02:04Let's go back.
02:05Basically...
02:05What was it like?
02:06We met on Facebook.
02:08Nice.
02:08Your favourite.
02:10We got together, we met up.
02:12He stayed.
02:13We got together and moved in.
02:15It was quite quick, wasn't it?
02:16Quite quick.
02:17Yeah?
02:17Felt right.
02:18I thought it was the right one.
02:20He started texting people over the phone saying he was on the phone, you know,
02:24who...
02:25Sorry?
02:26Sorry?
02:27Sorry.
02:28I know.
02:30If we could just rewind.
02:3350 morning television.
02:34How do you put that in?
02:35It was obviously a bleak there.
02:37He was...
02:37Oh, I know this.
02:38Will, I know this.
02:39He was sexting people, wasn't he?
02:41That was it.
02:42Hey, come on.
02:43Hey, hey, hey.
02:44Oh, yeah.
02:45I'm sorry.
02:45No, don't worry about it.
02:47That's fine.
02:50So, he was sexting other men.
02:52Yeah.
02:52The argument started quite quickly, to be fair.
02:56We don't want to talk yet about how it ended, but was there violence?
03:00Was there aggression?
03:01What was he like?
03:02I showed no violence at all.
03:03Liar.
03:04He didn't...
03:05Shut up.
03:05Liar.
03:06Just shut up.
03:07I love my saying, you love your saying a minute, man.
03:11I was going to say that.
03:13It's his turn first.
03:14Shut up.
03:14Anyway, it sort of wasn't going too well.
03:17You're at work.
03:18He dumps you.
03:19Yeah.
03:20What happens?
03:21Be quiet.
03:23I went to work at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
03:26Brilliant.
03:26I phoned him on my break.
03:28Everything seemed fine.
03:30When you got home, what happened?
03:32It wasn't great, was it?
03:33The house was in darkness.
03:35Listen to this, Adrian.
03:35I mean, it was trashed, wasn't it?
03:37Yeah.
03:38I put the key in the door,
03:39turned the lights on,
03:40and everything's trashed.
03:41What do you mean?
03:42The front room was all over the place.
03:44I went upstairs.
03:45The bedroom was...
03:48He'd stolen food out of the fridge.
03:50He ran...
03:51He emptied the fridge.
03:51He emptied the fridge.
03:52Plates were missing.
03:53There was...
03:54Did he smash stuff?
03:56The only thing that was damaged
03:58was the plug sockets with water.
04:00What did he do in the...
04:02What did he do in the bathroom?
04:03Why did I ask that?
04:04On the floor.
04:05Thank you very much.
04:07Out of the dark...
04:08Out of the blue, rather,
04:09he dumps you.
04:10He trashes you flat.
04:11He goes.
04:12What happened since then?
04:12Because there's a serious side to this.
04:14You've been attacked, haven't you?
04:15I was attacked.
04:16I went down to sort of, like,
04:17get some space,
04:18de-stress and all that.
04:20To the coast?
04:21To the coast.
04:21Next thing I know,
04:22I heard, um,
04:23this is your final warning.
04:24Leave Craig alone,
04:25and I'm out cold.
04:26He was attacked
04:27in broad daylight
04:28by a person with a baseball bat
04:31in July on a beach.
04:32The warning that
04:34you should leave Craig alone.
04:35You believe that Craig organised it.
04:37It's caused you problems.
04:39You've lost hearing.
04:40You say,
04:41look, it didn't work,
04:42but he trashed my flat.
04:43He's made threats.
04:44I think he's behind that.
04:46His 50-year-old friend,
04:47Sharon,
04:48his best mate,
04:49she's behind a lot of that,
04:50you say.
04:51You say,
04:51I've moved on.
04:52I've got a new bloke.
04:53I'm not interested.
04:53Get out of my life.
04:55Yeah?
04:55Let's get him out.
04:56Craig's on the Jeremy Kyle show
04:57that way.
05:03You are compulsive.
05:06Don't f***ing touch me.
05:07Do you want to start saying?
05:08Don't even touch me,
05:09Jamie.
05:10Don't even touch me.
05:11You're the kind of fun
05:12in this relationship,
05:13not me.
05:14Oh, shut up.
05:14Oh, yeah,
05:15that's my shirt.
05:16That's my shirt.
05:16That's my shirt.
05:17Oh, my money.
05:19Are you wearing a shirt?
05:20No, I bought it from Bluey.
05:21That's my shirt.
05:21Did you dress yourself?
05:22No, I did not.
05:23Well, then who the hell
05:24finishes...
05:25It was like that
05:26when I found it, actually,
05:27when I came back.
05:28Liar.
05:28But if you ring him
05:30and he's at work,
05:31no explanation
05:32about the fact
05:33you're leaving
05:33and he gets home
05:34and the house is trashed,
05:35it's got to be you.
05:36It wasn't me.
05:37Well, who was it then?
05:38It wasn't me.
05:39Why should I
05:39clean the house up
05:40when I have to work,
05:42cook for him
05:43when he comes home?
05:44No.
05:45What was the relationship like?
05:46Horrible.
05:47He was abusive
05:47to me.
05:48He hit me.
05:49Did I?
05:50He was violent.
05:50Did I?
05:51He tried running me
05:52over in my own car.
05:53Did I?
05:53And the person's here today
05:54with him.
05:55Lucy was there
05:56when he tried running me
05:57over twice.
05:58Did I?
05:59Did I?
05:59Twice.
06:00Did I?
06:00Yeah.
06:01Did you arrange
06:01to have him attacked
06:02by a baseball bat?
06:03That's not my style.
06:04What?
06:04That's not my style
06:05to do that.
06:06But the person said
06:07leave Craig alone.
06:09It wasn't me.
06:09Come on.
06:10It wasn't me.
06:11That's not my style.
06:12Come on.
06:13If I did something,
06:14I would rather do it myself.
06:15You were overheard saying
06:16I wish Jamie was dead.
06:17True or false?
06:18Yeah, in anger.
06:19Yes, I did.
06:19Yeah.
06:19And then he gets
06:20attacked by a baseball bat.
06:22Shut up.
06:22Shut up.
06:24Why can you shut up?
06:25Why doesn't everybody
06:26shut up?
06:30Anyway, on a serious note,
06:32he says you're abusive,
06:33you trash the flat,
06:34you arrange for the
06:35baseball thing,
06:36it ain't good enough.
06:36What's the truth here?
06:37Well, he's abusive.
06:39I am now on tablets.
06:40I'm going to the hospital
06:41because he's been
06:42punching me in my stomach.
06:43Oh, I'm on tablets.
06:45I'm on tablets.
06:46Do you want the doctor's
06:47reports to you?
06:47Shut up, it's my say.
06:48Shut the...
06:50Do you think I'm scared?
06:52Jamie.
06:53Do you think I'm scared?
06:54It's my say now.
06:55You've had your...
06:56Why are you no longer
06:57together?
06:58Why don't you just
06:58get on with your life?
07:00You're not the show,
07:00not me.
07:01Don't understand.
07:04You know your best mate,
07:05Sharon?
07:06Yeah.
07:07He thinks she...
07:07You thought that she
07:08was behind some of this.
07:09You thought,
07:10I don't even know
07:10how I'm supposed to say this.
07:11She orchestrated,
07:13you know,
07:13we're splitting us up.
07:14She had this plan
07:15from January.
07:15No, Jamie,
07:16you split us up
07:17because of the filings
07:18and I didn't want to be with you.
07:19Filings?
07:19I've never been filings
07:20in my life, mate.
07:21You see, I have.
07:22No, I haven't.
07:23Did you urinate
07:23on the bathroom floor?
07:25But you dropped
07:25milkshake on the carpet.
07:27No, I didn't.
07:27What's wrong with me?
07:28Why would I do that
07:29when I cleaned the house?
07:30I have absolutely no idea.
07:31And actually, furthermore,
07:32I don't really care.
07:32Anyway, you're not with him
07:34and you're not with him.
07:35Pardon?
07:37Brilliant.
07:37You accused of
07:38ransacking your flat
07:39and getting you attacked
07:40by a baseball bat.
07:41You say he's violent.
07:42You've got your 50-year-old
07:43friend coming out.
07:44Sharon.
07:45Brilliant.
07:45Sharon, and what's
07:46your friend called?
07:47That's my niece, Lucy.
07:48I'm going to lie down
07:48in a dark room.
07:49They're all next.
07:49Don't go anywhere.
07:50I'm right back.
07:51If you start flouncing,
07:52then you'll be able
07:53to have your say.
07:53Have you been sexting?
07:55No.
07:56Why would he say that?
07:57So what did you ask him?
07:58Shut up!
07:59Where are you going now?
08:01Away from here.
08:06Just stop walking
08:07all over this money.
08:08You've done this for 10 years.
08:10Excuse me.
08:11Oh, my marriage is finished
08:12you're the mess.
08:13You want to hear this?
08:14Oi!
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08:55Welcome back
08:55to the break.
08:56Talking to exes,
08:57Jamie and Craig.
08:58You were together
08:58for a year and a half.
08:59You say,
09:00oh, by the way,
09:01I never asked you,
09:01did you sext other men?
09:03No, not really.
09:04What do you mean,
09:05not really?
09:05He says you were
09:06masturbating online.
09:07No, it's not my style,
09:08Jamie.
09:08You're a liar.
09:09He confronted you
09:10with it in December.
09:11December.
09:12No, you did not.
09:12When we split up in December.
09:13No, you did not.
09:14You stormed up
09:15and went off for a week.
09:16You're a positive liar.
09:17Just get out of my face.
09:17You're a liar.
09:18You say that he was...
09:19Do a lie detector then.
09:20No.
09:20You say he was sexting
09:21other men,
09:22he trashed you flat
09:23and he got mates
09:23to attack you
09:24with a baseball bat
09:25on a beach
09:29because he was
09:29a violent thug.
09:30He was always like that.
09:31I don't want to be with him
09:32and he tried to run me
09:33over in my own car.
09:34Lucy is who?
09:35My niece.
09:35Lucy's on the
09:36Jeremy Kyle show
09:37that way.
09:41F***ing liar!
09:42Whatever, Lucy.
09:43Don't even touch me.
09:44Get out of my face.
09:45Get out of my face.
09:46Touch her.
09:47Get.
09:47Touch her.
09:48Get.
09:50You s***ing
09:50down my f***ing face
09:51right now.
09:54You don't speak
09:55to my uncle like that.
09:56You don't speak
09:56to me like that either,
09:57Lucy.
09:57Have some respect.
09:59Respect.
09:59When you show me respect,
10:01I will show you respect.
10:02What's the question?
10:03I thought you two-faced
10:04s***ing.
10:04You idiot.
10:05You what?
10:06What I said, Jamie?
10:07You f***ing murdered.
10:08Jamie, sit down.
10:09Sit down.
10:09How?
10:10What the f***?
10:11What?
10:12See?
10:12You f***ing.
10:13Well, if you were sexting
10:14online, that would make
10:15you the male equivalent,
10:16wouldn't it?
10:17No, it's not because I'm the f***ing.
10:19Did you or did you not
10:21click from a married man
10:22and know about it?
10:24No, I didn't, actually.
10:25No, you were a f***ing liar.
10:25You were a liar.
10:27Can I speak?
10:27Can you do me a boba?
10:28Can you park your backside?
10:29You as well.
10:30Welcome to the show.
10:30What's your take on this?
10:31For me, it's really very simple.
10:33Even he's confused.
10:33Why don't they just go their
10:34separate ways and stop b***ing?
10:36Oh, he has.
10:36He's completely got rid of him.
10:37Oh, he has.
10:38He's completely got rid of him.
10:40He will not leave him alone.
10:41You told my team.
10:42I'm single, thank you.
10:43I've enjoyed myself being single.
10:44Look at the Jeremy Carl show.
10:46Shut up.
10:47Then why do you keep
10:48sleeping with people?
10:49You said hello.
10:50You heard him say
10:51I'm going to get him killed.
10:52Yeah, he was sat in
10:53Sharon's bedroom
10:53and turned around
10:54I want Jamie dead.
10:55Sharon's a mate of yours?
10:57No.
10:57Used to be?
10:58Used to be.
10:58Why have you fallen out?
10:59Because blood's thicker than water.
11:01And if they don't like that
11:02they can shove it
11:02where the sun don't shine
11:03as far as I'm concerned.
11:04Better about you.
11:05Here's the thing
11:05I don't understand.
11:06There's an interesting twist to this.
11:07Apparently you helped him
11:09When was this?
11:10Move out of his mouth.
11:11I've got Milo away from you
11:13you psycho.
11:14No, you helped me move my
11:15Really?
11:15So where's your dog?
11:16Where is your dog now?
11:18Where is your dog now?
11:19Sharon is your mate.
11:21Sharon's your mate.
11:22Sharon's on the Jeremy Carl show.
11:24She's joining.
11:29You lying little
11:31You were actually living with me.
11:34You actually rang me.
11:36You rang me and said
11:38Craig's at my mum's
11:40I came round with you.
11:42No, you were there.
11:43I came round with you.
11:44And then you said
11:44Craig wants to leave him
11:46and will you help me?
11:48So why should I go to involve you?
11:50Why should I go to involve you?
11:51Because they asked me to help me.
11:53Because I'm family.
11:54So she's my family.
11:55I am family.
11:56You weren't even living with him last week.
11:58Are you fucking?
12:00No, I like it here now.
12:02I can't handle some of you.
12:04I can't handle my liars.
12:06Sharon hates you.
12:07They all hate you, love.
12:08Oh, really?
12:09You're just an idiot.
12:11Sharon, welcome to the Jeremy Carl show.
12:12If you ever thought I'd start this,
12:13there were accusations that it was you
12:15that urinated on the bathroom floor.
12:16Well, considering I have OCD,
12:18I don't think that's my style.
12:19Lovely.
12:21When you were aware of this relationship,
12:24what was it like?
12:26Well, Craig left...
12:27Where are you going now?
12:29Away from here.
12:31That's going to help, isn't it?
12:32You think I'm running around,
12:33I'm feeling tired today.
12:34Where are you going now?
12:35I want answers.
12:36Craig left in February
12:38because it was...
12:39We were at Lucy's parents' house
12:41having a celebrity drink
12:43for somebody's birthday.
12:44Let's just forget that.
12:45What is the...
12:46What are you doing over there?
12:48Getting away from the tire
12:49because she's not even...
12:50I didn't.
12:51I went through it.
12:51Yes, you did.
12:52You told me...
12:53Everybody's got involved.
12:54They shouldn't be together.
12:55Did Craig, your friend,
12:58trash his flat?
12:59No.
12:59Well, how do you know that?
13:00Yes, you did.
13:01Because me and Lucy were there.
13:02So it just does it itself, does it?
13:04I was outside.
13:04Don't lie, Lucy.
13:05I was outside with the dog.
13:07Lucy, you were in the spare room
13:08going through the boxes.
13:10Was I?
13:10Yes, was I.
13:10Would I believe you're Craig or my family?
13:12Do you believe that Craig was behind...
13:14Do you believe that Craig was behind the attack?
13:18No.
13:19Er, MC, er, run away.
13:21Come here.
13:21I've got an accusation.
13:23Where's he gone now?
13:24He's disappeared.
13:25He's sat over there.
13:27Are you in a new relationship?
13:28Yeah.
13:29Who's that with?
13:29That's with Matt.
13:30This is interesting.
13:32Four weeks you've been in a relationship.
13:34Apparently, you,
13:35you know you've got a bit of a record
13:36about sexting people.
13:38Well, this Matt guy
13:39who says he's been with Jamie for four weeks
13:40which might back up the fact
13:41that Jamie thinks you can't leave him alone.
13:43Craig has been sending me
13:45flirty messages on Facebook.
13:46Jamie and I are happy
13:47and his ex needs to butt out.
13:49Okay, then.
13:50That's from the new boyfriend.
13:51I don't know.
13:52So why is his ex sending me text messages
13:53saying, oh, let's meet up,
13:55let's go for a drink, you're fit.
13:56I can't think so.
13:56If he was with Jamie...
13:57Just get on that stage
13:58and deal with it.
13:59I am not running around this building.
14:00I don't even know
14:00why I bother having a set sometimes.
14:02Have you been texting
14:03his new girlfriend, boyfriend?
14:05His boyfriend's texting me.
14:06What?
14:06Let me have my f***ing stage.
14:08Well, stop.
14:08I'll say off then
14:09and you'll get out of it.
14:10Hey, little boy.
14:12If you start flouncing,
14:13then you'll be able to have your say.
14:14Have you been sexting?
14:16No.
14:17Well, why would he say that?
14:18So why did you watch it for a picture then?
14:21Yeah?
14:22Why are you so wound up?
14:24Because he f***ed me off
14:25and I don't like being next to him.
14:26Then why don't you take your friend
14:27and run a thousand miles
14:29in the opposite bleeding direction
14:30and he's never coming back.
14:34He won't let me.
14:35So he won't let you go,
14:37you say,
14:37and you say he...
14:38What?
14:38I've moved on.
14:39One at a time.
14:40He's moved on.
14:41Why did you just run after him then?
14:43So why is your boyfriend...
14:45Because she's a chicken.
14:45You're jealous of his new boyfriend,
14:47aren't you?
14:47Yes.
14:47Yes, she is.
14:48Why is his boyfriend texting me
14:49saying let's go for a...
14:50How would he get your number?
14:52He's still on Facebook.
14:53Brilliant.
14:54Why would you put your number on Facebook?
14:56It's not on Facebook.
14:57It's not on Facebook.
14:58It's on Facebook if you listen.
14:58Open your ears.
14:59Lock and delete him then.
15:00Well, no,
15:01because I've got messages to prove it.
15:02So his new boyfriend's poking you on Facebook?
15:04No, and saying to me,
15:07let's go for...
15:07You look good and you look bad for, mate.
15:09So you're in a new relationship.
15:11He says you won't leave him alone.
15:12He says...
15:13I've not messaged him since July.
15:16I'm telling you, Lucy.
15:17July.
15:17Why do you say against Lucy?
15:19Because she gets to be our best friends.
15:20Because...
15:21No, no.
15:21Lucy actually lives with him.
15:22Hold on a second.
15:23All right, then why did you turn up
15:24at my nan's funeral last month uninvited?
15:26Why do you lie so much?
15:27What's the dog called?
15:28Why?
15:29He's my family.
15:30He's nothing.
15:31I don't care if you talk to him.
15:32He is your uncle.
15:34No, no, no.
15:34He's thicker than water.
15:35I don't care.
15:36That is pathetic.
15:37He's lying his damn dog over to my mum.
15:39I don't want to talk about a dog
15:41or milkshake on the carpet.
15:43or sexting.
15:44I won't talk about a man till Craig.
15:46I'm just wondering in a sane way
15:47why any of you have anything to do
15:49with the other two
15:50because it doesn't make any sense.
15:52Shush.
15:57He does look with respect.
15:59Don't get upset.
16:00I know you bought the shirt.
16:01He does look to me
16:02to be finding it difficult
16:05to get over the end of the relationship.
16:06He's angry
16:07because he thought Lucy was a friend.
16:09And up until last week
16:10Yeah, right.
16:12Lucy
16:12He messaged my mum
16:13demanding money from her.
16:14I'm speaking.
16:15He messaged my mum
16:16demanding money from her.
16:18Do you think they should be together?
16:19No.
16:20We're both apart.
16:21Well then
16:22if you're up to show
16:23it's why am I here?
16:24Because he says
16:24you won't leave him alone.
16:26His boyfriend won't leave me alone.
16:27My boyfriend's done nothing to you.
16:29I've got a text to prove it.
16:31What does it say, the text?
16:32The messages say
16:34I think you're fit.
16:35Why is it I don't believe you?
16:37I think I could prove it to you.
16:38You're a liar.
16:39All your mates in Southampton
16:40have told me so.
16:41So here's the thing.
16:42This is how I see it
16:43and then I really must move on
16:44because I'm going to enter another life.
16:46If your boyfriend of four weeks
16:48is sending text messages
16:49that are somewhat rude
16:50to your ex-boyfriend
16:52ditch him.
16:53Do I believe that?
16:54I don't know.
16:54The thing is
16:55there are all sorts of people
16:56who come on this show
16:57with their relationships
16:58things finish.
16:59People point score
17:00and bitch and whatever.
17:01She's with her cousin
17:03or uncle
17:03that's the way she's feeling.
17:05You're with him.
17:05You two do not need any contact.
17:08Stop point scoring
17:09stop people getting involved
17:10delete whatever
17:11don't use social networking
17:12just go and get on
17:13with your lights.
17:14It's not rocket science.
17:16I think
17:17you know what I think?
17:19I have to be really careful.
17:21I'm thinking you're loving the drama.
17:23I'm thinking you're loving the drama.
17:25And if you're not loving the drama
17:26disappear
17:27I'm a busy man.
17:28Go.
17:29It'll be done.
17:37Is it me
17:38or should some people
17:39just go
17:39do you know what
17:40we don't work
17:41let's leave each other alone.
17:42By the way
17:43for an instant update
17:43on today's guest
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17:45Did I really say that?
17:46Moving on.
17:47My next guest today
17:47Glenn was kicked out
17:48of his own home
17:49just six weeks ago
17:50after his wife
17:51discovered scratch marks
17:53on his back.
17:55she believes he's been cheating
17:56and he is furious
17:57with the allegation
17:58after six weeks
17:59of being homeless
17:59this guy is desperate
18:00to prove he's done nothing wrong.
18:02He wants his missus back
18:03he wants to move back home.
18:04Glenn
18:05back on the Jeremy Kyle show
18:06give him a round of applause.
18:14I read this
18:16and I thought to myself
18:16and I know you're emotional
18:18yeah
18:19this woman
18:19will drive you to distraction
18:20oh
18:21I'll tell you
18:22to drink
18:23my wife made me homeless
18:25when she found scratches
18:26on my back
18:26you've been with Sophia
18:27for eight years
18:28no kids together
18:29six weeks ago
18:30yeah I've been together
18:31ten years
18:32eight years
18:32my latest month
18:33okay
18:33six weeks ago
18:35it all came to a head
18:36can you talk me through it slowly?
18:38yeah
18:39I got kicked out by my wife
18:41she'd been going through
18:42a bit of a bad time
18:43been having a lot of arguments
18:46so I go and stop
18:47at a friend's house
18:49unfortunately
18:50no I was thinking
18:51the friend
18:52is called Julie
18:53you stayed there
18:54because Sophia
18:56has kicked you out
18:57tell them what happened next
18:59she's just a friend
19:00Julie isn't she?
19:01she's a good friend
19:01yeah
19:02we've worked for her
19:03I'll be out on the streets
19:04do you know what I mean?
19:05okay what happened?
19:05you know
19:08I got locked out
19:10and I climbed through
19:11I climbed through a window
19:13to get through a kitchen window
19:15you moved in with some friends
19:17Julie stopped you from being homeless
19:19she gave you
19:19oh goodness me
19:20we're doing it again
19:21we've got a picture of the window today
19:24anyway
19:24that's the window
19:26having been locked out
19:27you thought I'm going to climb through it
19:29what the top bit?
19:30yeah I know I'm skinny
19:30but I couldn't get through it
19:31you tried to climb through the top bit?
19:34yeah
19:36what happened?
19:37I got two scratches down there
19:39and I got stuck
19:41you got stuck?
19:43yeah
19:43yeah
19:44so
19:45so
19:45the scratches are on your back
19:48yeah
19:48you're with Julie and her partner
19:50yeah
19:51eventually you and Sophia
19:52start talking
19:54yeah
19:54you go home
19:55have a night of passion
19:56have a night of passion
19:57what?
19:57one thing leads to another
19:59you rip your clothes off
20:00and she goes
20:01what have you done
20:02you dirty git?
20:03no that was afterwards
20:04I'll show her
20:04she's seen the scratches on one side
20:06I said well I've got them on that side
20:07as well
20:07I climbed through a window
20:08how did she react when she saw this?
20:10she flipped
20:10she absolutely flipped
20:12she's seen red
20:13she chucked us out in my boxer shorts
20:17she chucked my clothes out on the landing
20:19and it's easy for people to laugh at that's your life
20:22do you know something?
20:23she's ruined
20:24she's absolutely ruined us
20:25you say my wife made me homeless
20:27you've been struggling for the last few weeks
20:29because of that
20:30yeah I'm in bits
20:30honestly I can't cope with it
20:32are you on the streets?
20:34are you staying with friends?
20:35it's just sofa surfing
20:36just dusting about all over the place
20:38do you know what I mean?
20:38whatever I can
20:39and you love this woman don't you?
20:41positive anything
20:43what's today about?
20:46she needs to know
20:46can't take it anymore
20:47do you know what I mean?
20:48you said I want to come here
20:49I don't want to do this
20:50you know something
20:50I've done that wrong right
20:51now she just listens to us
20:53and understands that
20:55we've got to be back together
20:56I've done a lie detector test right
20:57I know I'm going to pass this
20:58right
20:59she doesn't believe us
21:00that's her choice
21:01she needs to get over it
21:02or get on with it
21:03so this means everything to you
21:04you do nothing
21:05I mean you've come a long way
21:06you wouldn't want to mess this up
21:07you're taking it seriously
21:08so you're here to get your marriage back
21:09your relationship back
21:10I want to be back with her
21:11I just can't cope with this
21:13I can't cope with being honest
21:15I'll tell you what we'll do
21:15you've done great
21:16we're going to go to a quick break
21:17after that break
21:18your wife's a fire
21:19and those all important
21:20lie detector results
21:21we're right back
21:21don't go anywhere
21:22just stop walking all of this money
21:24you've done this for 10 years
21:26excuse me
21:28you want to hear this
21:33have you been accused of cheating
21:35do you need to prove your innocence
21:37with a lie detector
21:38now if you're 18 or over
21:40you want to be considered for the show
21:41text the word talk today
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22:00that address
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22:02it's forward slash
22:03Jeremy Kyle
22:04thank you very much
22:10welcome back
22:10talking to Glenn
22:11quite emotional
22:12you've been with Sophia
22:1310 years
22:14married 8
22:14no kids
22:15few problems recently
22:176 weeks ago
22:17she chucked you out
22:18you went to stay with a friend
22:19you got locked out of that house
22:20she tried to climb through the kitchen window
22:22scratched you back
22:23when you went home
22:23eventually Sophia
22:24she went nuts
22:25thinks she slept with somebody else
22:26threw you out
22:27again
22:27you've been sofa surfing
22:28you said
22:29I've been dossing it 6 weeks
22:30it's breaking me
22:31I've come here
22:32I don't want to do this
22:33but I'm coming here
22:33to do a lie detector
22:34to prove to her
22:35I love her
22:36and I want her back
22:37yes Sophia's on the Jeremy Kyle show
22:38that way
22:47it gets funny do you
22:48laughing
22:53laughing
22:54so it didn't go exactly how he described it then
22:56no
22:56do you know something
22:57she needed to
22:57they're laughing
22:58when I took him out of his box shorts
22:59what would you expect
23:01well I'd expect that you
23:02just stop walking all over this man
23:05you've done this for 10 years
23:07do you know what I mean
23:07let's go back 6 weeks
23:09why'd you boot him out
23:10alright shut up
23:11why'd you boot him out the first time
23:136 weeks ago
23:13a different woman
23:15what do you mean a different woman
23:16one of my friends told me that
23:17he'd kissed her
23:18you know something you just talked
23:19all the time
23:19he'd kissed her
23:20and she sent me texts
23:21he's telling me this
23:22and one night in question
23:23why would you believe somebody else
23:24rather than the man you've been with for 10 years
23:25why don't you look at him
23:26because he said to me
23:27I'll tell you what
23:28you're just
23:28I am sick of you
23:30where are you going
23:31Jeremy
23:32well I thought the whole point
23:33was coming
23:34come of me
23:34I am not
23:35where are you going
23:35are you mad
23:37why should I follow him
23:38do you know what
23:38why do I bother having a set
23:40tell him to come back
23:41you can't do this
23:42if you're going to run on buddy
23:43you can't do it
23:44sorry Dan
23:46I'm going to do my best
23:48hello
23:49I've done a lie detector
23:50and everything with you
23:51you can get mad
23:52I'm sure you are
23:53but you run off
23:54you ain't going to sort it
23:55she's not doing anything to think
23:57you just told me
23:58you wanted to win
23:58she doesn't care about me
24:01she just cares about herself
24:02you told me
24:03that you wanted to win her back
24:04well obviously
24:05I'm not doing the right thing
24:06well you didn't give it too long
24:07go and listen
24:09and go and speak
24:10you came here a long time
24:11go
24:12this is a last chance
24:13well you know what you two
24:15need to do
24:15you need to speak
24:16hello
24:16you need to speak to each other
24:18that's what you need to do
24:19you need to speak to each other
24:20you need to listen to each other
24:21hello Graham
24:21just go and talk to her
24:24you need to listen to each other
24:30I'm not listening to her
24:31right
24:33and she sent me them texts
24:34did you admit you told her
24:36to say that she hadn't seen you
24:37yeah I did
24:38right then
24:38and you admitted that to me
24:39so why have I got doubts
24:41in my mind then
24:42then scratch that
24:43scratch that
24:44did anybody hear that
24:45she got a text from a woman
24:46saying somebody's kissed your husband
24:48and she just said to him
24:49quietly
24:49did you convince that woman
24:51to say that she hadn't seen me
24:52did you lie
24:53he said yeah she's got doubts
24:54thank you
24:55all right we don't have a go at me love
24:57what about the scratches
24:58it was a window
24:58what do you think it was
24:59some
24:59would he climb through that
25:01he's six foot
25:01under me
25:04and it wasn't that window
25:05it was a bathroom
25:05when he told me
25:06and that was smaller
25:07I have to say
25:08I have to say
25:08my microphone
25:10I think my microphone
25:11would have struggled
25:11to have got through that window
25:12to be fair
25:13are you hiding something
25:14no
25:15he says I love you
25:16he says
25:17I don't care how embarrassing
25:18this is
25:19I came here today
25:20because I wanted to put this right
25:21now Julie
25:22is the woman
25:24of the friend
25:25whose house he went to stay
25:26and you suspect
25:26wasn't even a friend
25:27you know me
25:27he only just met her
25:29so come on
25:30I didn't even know the woman me
25:31I put Glenn up for a few weeks
25:33as he told me
25:34he had nowhere to stay
25:35he slept on my living room floor
25:37in a sleeping bag
25:38we never had sex
25:39the scratches on his back
25:40did
25:41indeed come
25:42from him trying to climb
25:43through my kitchen window
25:44I have no idea
25:45if Glenn will pass the test
25:46but he certainly
25:47hasn't done anything
25:49with me
25:49but why would he
25:50ask a woman for a hug for luck
25:52and say she was gorgeous
25:53in front of me then
25:54Jeremy
25:54answer that question Glenn
25:57is that to do me head in Jeremy
25:59ask him
25:59eight years ago
26:00I got cancer
26:01I got diagnosed with cancer
26:02and I got
26:04two
26:04last week
26:05I went for the test
26:07to see about
26:08being all clear
26:09and I asked her for a hug
26:10for luck
26:11do you know what I mean
26:12and that's all it was
26:13do you know what I mean
26:13I didn't even
26:14no I don't even know
26:15the last
26:15do you know what I mean
26:16it's her friend
26:16but you know something
26:17she come in
26:19the letter
26:19the letter I've got
26:20his appointment
26:21until next month
26:22so he lied to me
26:23and said he didn't go
26:24this is her friends
26:25right
26:25so come on
26:26this is her type
26:28of friends right
26:28they all talk
26:29about me right
26:30because they're jealous
26:31because she's
26:32we can't talk about
26:33people not in here
26:34basically what I've got
26:35is a guy who
26:36you know
26:36but you know
26:37did you admit to me
26:38you didn't go to Bradford
26:39really
26:39come on Glenn
26:39be honest with me now
26:40come on Glenn
26:41stop torturing me
26:43torturing yourself
26:43so you didn't go
26:44for the cancer patient
26:45thing
26:45I did yes
26:47you just said
26:48you didn't
26:48I went to Bradford
26:49for me
26:50but I didn't go
26:50for that one
26:52it's next month
26:53you've been sending
26:53Sophia love letters
26:54haven't you
26:55hasn't he been
26:55trying to
26:56I've got one of those
26:57have I
26:58before you go
26:59any chance
26:59of a good
27:01and that's my husband
27:03who loves me
27:04that makes love
27:05any chance
27:06of a good
27:06before you leave me
27:08Sophia
27:09could you lend me
27:10some money
27:11till Wednesday
27:14what are you doing
27:15now
27:16come with me
27:17I've had it now
27:18I'm not chasing him
27:19sorry
27:20why should I
27:22I need to have you
27:23here to do these
27:24results
27:24why do you keep
27:25running away
27:26I'm trying to do
27:27the results
27:27just give her the results
27:28she doesn't
27:30mate with the grace
27:31of respect
27:31time and money
27:32Jeremy I don't want to
27:33go back on
27:33I don't want to speak
27:34to her
27:35she's just making us angry
27:36I cannot do the results
27:38unless you're both together
27:39get back
27:39it'll take two minutes
27:40and then we're done
27:41come on
27:41just hurry up then
27:42honestly to God
27:43I'm going to get a bit
27:44doing it
27:51let's do the lie detector
27:53which you say
27:54will absolutely nail
27:55talk to me then
27:56why are you making me
27:57think you're doing it
27:58if you're not
27:59if you're not
27:59you've just
27:59I don't know
28:00you're right
28:00hello
28:01hello
28:02hello
28:05hello
28:05hello
28:06I was talking to you
28:08well look at me then
28:10you came here
28:11because you said
28:11I wanted to do
28:12a lie detector
28:13to prove
28:13to Sophia
28:15that they were
28:16scratches
28:16from
28:18a bathroom window
28:19give me those results
28:20now both of you
28:22pin back your lug holes
28:23and listen to me
28:35I said
28:36pin back your lug holes
28:37and look at me
28:38yeah
28:39Glenn was asked
28:40three questions
28:41since the last lie detector test
28:43have you had sexual intercourse
28:44with any other person
28:45since the last lie detector test
28:47have you had sexual contact
28:48with any other person
28:49and since the last lie detector test
28:50have you passionately kissed
28:52any other person
28:52to which on every question
28:53he said no
28:55and it would surprise
28:56many people
28:57including your missus
28:58to learn
28:58do you know what the result is
29:00full holes
29:01oi
29:03inconclusive
29:05now while we're at it
29:07excuse me
29:08oh my marriage is finished
29:09you're the mess
29:10you want to hear this
29:11oi
29:11you want to hear this
29:13and you can sit down as well
29:14because I've had this all morning
29:16do you know why your test was inconclusive
29:18yeah
29:18do you know why
29:19yeah
29:20why
29:21last night this man went out
29:23when he arrived in Manchester
29:24thought he'd score some crack cocaine
29:26and heroin
29:26which in itself is quite interesting
29:28because now you're going to tell me
29:30aren't you
29:30look at me
29:31come on
29:31now you're going to tell me
29:33the truth is Jez
29:34I didn't know that would affect the test
29:36or did you do it on purpose
29:39no
29:39didn't do it on purpose
29:40what
29:41but you sabotaged it
29:42you must have done
29:43because here's what they're about to find out
29:45a year ago
29:46you were on this show before
29:48and you did a lie detector test
29:50the headline of this part is
29:53evidence in the bathroom
29:54did my husband cheat
29:55I don't know why I'm asking this
29:56evidence in the bathroom
29:58well this happened a couple of months ago
30:00oh god
30:01what are you going to tell me
30:02there were a t-shirt
30:03oh
30:03on the bathroom door
30:05on the bathroom door
30:06the t-shirt
30:07yeah
30:09not yours
30:09no he's saying it with one of my friends
30:11not theirs
30:12he says he's going to pass
30:13this is all in your head
30:14all in my head
30:15why has he told me it then
30:16it's in his head as well then
30:17it's not been
30:18like it used to be
30:20there's no intimacy
30:20so we can't talk like we used to do
30:24since the start of your relationship
30:25with Sophia
30:25apart from the twice you've admitted to
30:27have you had sexual contact with anyone else
30:29no he said
30:30despite the fact that friends let random women
30:32into my front room
30:33he was telling the truth love
30:40since the start of your relationship with Sophia have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else
30:44he said no
30:45he said he wouldn't come here unless he was telling the truth and guess what
30:48he was telling the truth on every single question
30:51unbelievable
30:54you did a lie detector test
30:56which you passed
30:57and they explained the rules
30:59and you knew that any drug taking
31:01would in fact
31:03sabotage the test
31:04so I put to you
31:05all the flouncing
31:06and all the rubbish
31:07you knew by scoring drugs last night
31:10you'd sabotage that test
31:11and that is all BS isn't it
31:13listen to this
31:14oh you're doing another one now
31:16you want to
31:16oh where are you
31:17do you know what
31:19I'll tell you what I'll do
31:20can you cut to the green room
31:21to my lie detector expert
31:22listen to this
31:23Tristram
31:24can you help me out my friend
31:25initially when I spoke to him
31:27he said he hadn't taken any drugs
31:28and it was only until we got to the testing phase
31:31he actually admitted to
31:32scoring some heroin and some crack last night
31:34and also drinking in the early hours of the morning
31:37and that would be why the test would be inconclusive
31:39I know as you're the expert
31:41I can't ask you whether you feel he sabotaged it
31:45that's the feeling I get
31:46because he did test a year ago right
31:47that's right
31:48that's right yeah
31:49did you know he had a problem with drugs
31:50thank you Tristram
31:51did you know he had a problem with drugs
31:52no I'd be
31:53but isn't the truth sweetheart
31:55with the grace of respect that you're both alcoholics
31:58well we're both drinker
31:59yeah
31:59and wouldn't it be fair to say that actually that doesn't help this relationship
32:03no it doesn't help it
32:03he can flounce off
32:04I'm trying to get out for it
32:05he can flounce off
32:06you can flounce off all you want
32:08he knows that by taking those drugs he wastes my time
32:11he makes the situation worse with you
32:13by the way flouncer
32:15when you do all of that
32:16I got people who work all night to get people to you
32:19and get tests done
32:21and people work around the clock
32:22and you just go score some drugs and mess it up
32:24do you want to know something
32:25in my humble opinion
32:27I don't know whether he climbed through the bedroom window
32:29but I'll tell you what I do know
32:30you both have your own problems
32:32you alcohol and him alcohol and drugs
32:34and as it is
32:35it's a lethal combination
32:36and it doesn't work
32:37and what we should do for both of you
32:39without any shadow of a doubt
32:41is get help
32:42but why do you base it entirely on
32:43I hate you
32:44I want to
32:45it's horrible
32:45it's not going to work like this
32:47I've got help to remember
32:48he's hardly taking it seriously
32:50if he takes crack cocaine and heroin
32:51and you can stand there
32:52or sit there with your head in your hands
32:53you'll make your decision
32:55this show will help the both of you
32:56but at the end of the day
32:57honestly
32:58he has to help himself
32:59doesn't he
33:00I knew we were going to fail it
33:01anyway Jeremy
33:02and do me another favour
33:03as somebody who did have cancer
33:04if you've had cancer
33:05you shouldn't do heroin and cocaine
33:06good morning
33:07give him a round of applause
33:16now if you can relate to any of the situations
33:18on today's programme
33:19and you would like help from the show
33:20please go to the ITV website
33:22and follow the links for Jeremy Kyle
33:24does that make sense?
33:25I hope so
33:25right
33:26my next guest Matt
33:27says today quite literally
33:28is make or break
33:30this guy is desperate to find out
33:31if he's the biological father
33:33to his partner's two-year-old baby
33:34after hearing rumours
33:35she may have slept with another man
33:37can I just say
33:38a lot of people come in here
33:39and they flounce off
33:40and they shout and they scream
33:40for a lot of people
33:41it's emotional
33:42this would be one of them
33:43Matt is next
33:44on the Jeremy Kyle show
33:45give him a round of applause
33:54five years with Jade
33:55yeah
33:58two-year-old Tyler
34:00yep
34:02everything seemed to be
34:03oh god you look terrified
34:05yeah I'm fine
34:06you have doubts
34:07yeah
34:08in fact you tell my team
34:09I'm convinced
34:1075% convinced
34:12that I'm not Tyler's father
34:13why?
34:14because when
34:16it all came about
34:17that she was pregnant
34:17we had an argument
34:19and she went to stop
34:20at her so-called friend's house
34:22for four days
34:22or how long it was
34:23then nine weeks after that
34:25we found out
34:26that she was pregnant
34:26and I worked it out
34:27to the dates
34:28to when she was stopping there
34:29did she admit
34:29she slept with somebody
34:30that night?
34:31no
34:31so this is what
34:32you assuming
34:33she had sex with somebody else
34:35when you had a barney
34:36and she went off
34:36for four nights
34:37yeah
34:37typical male reaction
34:39yeah
34:39we hadn't had sex
34:40between each other
34:41two weeks prior
34:43why wouldn't you believe
34:44your bird
34:44is against some rumour
34:47I mean that's a random rumour
34:48and this is a girl
34:49you've been with five years
34:50and I want to make the point
34:51two weeks ago
34:53you walked out
34:54two months
34:55sorry
34:55two months ago
34:56you walked out
34:57because it's
34:58getting to that point
34:58where I can't
34:59continue to make a bond
35:00with Tyler
35:01no I understand that
35:02but basically
35:02what I'm saying is
35:03you buy a rumour
35:04against your girlfriend
35:06and your child
35:07I don't understand that
35:08because I've always
35:09had doubts from day one
35:10why?
35:11because at dates
35:11they don't have a
35:12I know deep down
35:14that he's not mine
35:14why did she refuse
35:15to do a lie detector?
35:17don't know
35:18she's also said
35:19there's no point
35:19in doing a lie detector test
35:20because I've not done nothing
35:23what does today mean to you
35:24it means a lot to me
35:27I'll be over at the morning
35:28if he is mine
35:29but deep down
35:29I know he ain't
35:30and that's what's gonna
35:31gonna get me most
35:32knowing that he isn't
35:34knowing that I've been there
35:35for them two years
35:36we've got a picture of him
35:37actually
35:39and you have been there
35:40and you say
35:43it's gonna gut me
35:44because I'm convinced
35:45that he's not mine
35:46and there's not a lot
35:47all I can say
35:49if he's not yours
35:50you say Jade
35:51and you're finished
35:51so today's massive
35:52yeah
35:53you've been with her
35:54for five years
35:54Jade next
35:55on the Jeremy Kyle show
35:56that way
36:02Jade welcome to the show
36:07can't be nice
36:08being accused
36:09you describe them
36:09as stupid
36:10vicious rumours
36:11yep
36:12can't even go in town
36:13without getting harassed
36:15with my son
36:16constantly
36:17he won't believe me
36:18I'm supposed to be his partner
36:20he won't believe me
36:22talk to him
36:23I can't
36:24yes you can
36:26I've said from day one
36:27Jade
36:28I've had my doubts
36:28you know I have
36:30I've also had my doubts
36:31I've told you this
36:32from day one
36:33look spitting him as you
36:34he's spitting him as you
36:36when he was born
36:37you had no doubts
36:38until people were telling you
36:40and you were around weren't you
36:41he was around
36:41he was a good dad
36:41through birth
36:43through pregnancy
36:44nothing wrong with
36:46and then
36:47people telling him rumours
36:48his family
36:49but in the four days
36:50you were away
36:50when you split up
36:51you had sex with the man
36:52didn't you
36:52no
36:53definitely
36:53I would be one of my friends
36:55closest friends
36:55why do you believe she had sex
36:57because somebody told you
36:59and apparently he didn't have sex
37:00with him for two weeks
37:00and he couldn't possibly be the father
37:02he's definitely the father
37:04we've had intercourse
37:06you can't say we haven't
37:07because we have
37:08he's just doing
37:08two weeks prior to
37:09he's just denying his son
37:10he can't even bond with his son
37:12it's half for your son
37:13it's half for me as well
37:14it's half for your son
37:16do you know what I don't think
37:17you've considered
37:17and I genuinely don't know
37:19what the results are
37:19I think I know what they are
37:20I think most people in this audience
37:22know what they are
37:23you say to my team
37:25God this is great
37:26you know
37:26if she's telling the truth today
37:28we can be a family
37:29have you stopped to think
37:31that if you are wrong
37:32the damage you'll have done
37:34to a woman
37:34who's been accused
37:35on national television
37:36because you happen to listen
37:38to some stirring person
37:40who's got nothing better to do
37:41than break your family up
37:43because she's going to think
37:44you'll do it again
37:47I'm only being honest with you
37:49you expect her to go
37:49oh the DNA test says you are the dad
37:51let's play happy families
37:52I think you're going to have a major problem
37:54if she's telling the truth
37:55I don't know
37:56oh yeah
37:56do you not believe her
37:57I do in a way
37:58and I don't
37:59because deep down
38:00I've got them feelings
38:0175% sure you're a liar
38:03that's your son my darling
38:05is he the father
38:05yeah he's spitting him
38:07with his dad
38:07without the beard
38:08let's do those all important
38:09DNA results
38:11how sure are you
38:12100%
38:13but you're 75% sure
38:15the woman you've spent
38:16five years with is a liar
38:18based on what Arumi
38:19the DNA test results show
38:21that Matt
38:24of course
38:38is that your reaction
38:41months of listening to other people
38:44and she's on national television
38:45she not even wavered
38:4775% sure
38:49take a look at your son
38:50you walked out on that boy
38:52eight weeks ago
38:53he turned your back
38:54based on a rumor
38:55and you haven't even
38:56put your arm around your missus
38:57and you're going to what
38:58go home and play happy families
38:59listen I'm just being honest
39:02really
39:04how long have you been with her
39:05nearly five years
39:06ask this audience
39:07without me turning round
39:08how many of them
39:09put your hands up
39:10knew she was telling the truth
39:11the minute she walked out
39:14it's difficult isn't it
39:15she'll be on your knees
39:16begging forgiveness
39:17and if it was me
39:18I'd make him pay
39:18for a long long time
39:20seriously
39:20come on son
39:22you've got to understand
39:25you're out of order
39:25you're out of order
39:27you're out of order
39:28and you might go
39:30I'll never believe anybody again
39:31she's going to think
39:32you'll do it the next time
39:33what do you want to say to him
39:34he needs to step up
39:35and be a father
39:36go home and start being
39:37the man and the father
39:38you need to be
39:39give him a round of applause
39:40they're going
39:46good luck to them
39:47nice lady
39:48after the break
39:49on this stage
39:49a couple who are torn apart
39:51by gambling problems
39:52we're right back
39:53you told my team
39:55I'm going to lose everything
39:56because I can't stop gambling
39:59I'll lose everything
40:00I'll lose this girl
40:02we can't renew our vows
40:13thank you very much
40:15welcome back
40:16my next guest today
40:16Kelly says
40:17her husband Robert
40:18is destroying their marriage
40:19with his gambling addiction
40:20she says
40:20her and Robert
40:21are supposed to renew
40:22their wedding vows
40:23in just three months time
40:24but the way that things are
40:26she doesn't know
40:26if she can stay with him anymore
40:28she says
40:28I really do have
40:29a massive decision to make
40:30Kelly is next
40:31on the Jeremy Kyle show
40:32give her a round of applause
40:39I love you alright
40:40listen
40:41I really respect you
40:42for being here
40:43you say
40:44I've been married
40:4511 years to this guy
40:47he wants me to renew
40:48my wedding vows
40:49that's correct
40:50but you don't know
40:51whether to or not
40:51yes
40:52why
40:53because of all the
40:54things he's been doing
40:55like this
40:56what has he been doing darling
40:56gambling
40:57he gambles online
40:58yeah
40:58how much in debt is he
41:00but
41:01altogether
41:02I say about
41:03nine thousand
41:04nine thousand pounds
41:07he told us more than that
41:09the worst thing of all
41:10about this
41:10this guy actually
41:11did a charity
41:12Twin Peaks Challenge
41:12didn't he
41:13how much did he raise
41:13about five hundred
41:15gambled that way
41:18why would you renew
41:19vows of the man
41:20that makes you this miserable
41:22well
41:24because I love him
41:25and I know he can change
41:27but he just needs the help
41:28is that why you came here
41:29yeah
41:30I like you
41:30I really respect you
41:31for doing this
41:31you say
41:32he needs the help
41:33but you need to be strong
41:34yeah
41:35how long has he been
41:35gambling for
41:36he's been gambling for
41:37about
41:39about
41:4018 years
41:41has he ever won
41:42he's won a couple of times
41:43but then he just throws it
41:45all back
41:46what's this doing to you darling
41:48it's hurting
41:49you have to be strong
41:50if you're not strong
41:51you will never change a gambler
41:53trust me
41:53all right
41:54by the way
41:54before this guy comes out
41:57um
41:58I can absolutely tell you
41:59by looking at his face
42:00what it took to come here
42:01to sit in front of you lot
42:02so I think we should respect him
42:03for that
42:03um
42:04you've got to be strong though
42:05yeah
42:05yeah
42:05let's get him out
42:06Robert's on the Jeremy Kyle show
42:07give him a round of applause
42:17sorry
42:24you all right
42:24yeah
42:25I'm all right
42:26I could just get a bit emotional
42:27I'm sorry
42:29when she said go on this show
42:30what did you think
42:32I had to do it
42:33you told my team
42:35I'm going to lose everything
42:37because I can't stop gambling
42:40I'll lose everything
42:41I'll lose this girl
42:4311 years of marriage
42:44but gambling for 15
42:45how much are you in debt
42:48truthfully to her
42:49Kelly says
42:50you say nine
42:51but I'm
42:52in around about
42:54ten
42:54ten to fifteen thousand
42:55in debt
42:56who to
42:57banks
42:58payday loans
43:01payday loans
43:02er
43:02credit card companies
43:04I've tried to do
43:06a lot of things
43:06in the past
43:07to change
43:07well
43:08I've been going to
43:09I've been going to
43:10GA meetings
43:10doesn't work for you
43:12it worked for a while
43:14who's Christine
43:14my mum
43:16let's get Christine
43:17on the Jeremy
43:17car show
43:17she's coming this way
43:28Christine welcome to the show
43:29I haven't got much time
43:29but I was interested to hear you say
43:31he's very secretive
43:32and he won't confide in anybody
43:33that's what gamblers are
43:34right
43:34how long has it been going on for
43:39how old is he now
43:40thirty five
43:41a long long time
43:42a long long time
43:45I also like what you said
43:46he hasn't had a bad childhood
43:47no he hasn't
43:48I didn't bring him up to babe like this
43:49there's no reason
43:50no
43:50have you tried to change him
43:52I've tried to change him
43:54certainly Kelly's tried to change you
43:57and it doesn't work
43:58it doesn't work
43:58so why now
43:59why does the light come on now
44:02I want to
44:03I want to change
44:04for myself
44:05and for Kelly
44:07because if I don't change now
44:10then
44:11like I say
44:12I'm going to lose her
44:14what happens when you try not to gamble then bud
44:18had a bet today
44:19I haven't had a bet today
44:21having a bet tomorrow
44:22I'm going to take one day at a time
44:24when was the last time you had a bet
44:26I had a bet on Saturday
44:28you win
44:29no I lost
44:30see
44:31you don't win all the time
44:32you don't win any of the time
44:34no you don't win any of the time
44:35well you do
44:35but not overall you don't win
44:37no
44:38that's why you don't see poor bookmakers
44:39no
44:41you can't win
44:42I can sit here and I can say
44:44we'll send you to Gamblers Anonymous
44:45we'll give you counselling
44:46you're going to ruin your marriage
44:47you're going to do this
44:47you're going to end up skint
44:48there's going to be people with baseball bats
44:50at your front door
44:51asking for money back
44:52the truth is you can't win
44:54the only reasonable thing
44:55that you can understand
44:56about gambling
44:56is you can only afford to gamble
44:58what you can afford to lose
44:59so if you've got a tenner
45:00and you don't want it
45:01go gamble it
45:02but people chase it don't they
45:03yeah
45:04you know that
45:04you chase it
45:05I know that
45:06I've chased a lot of
45:07I bet you've won
45:08I read a story that you won four grand once
45:09you know you owed nine
45:10so you gambled the four grand
45:12I did
45:12you need to hear what your missus
45:14is going through
45:15you need to tell him
45:16what this is doing to you
45:16you really do
45:17it is hurting me
45:20well more than hurting love
45:22it's tearing me apart
45:24you know
45:26you need to change
45:28us
45:28we're done
45:30you know
45:30we can't renew our vows
45:32if you don't
45:33you know start
45:34but I want to renew
45:35I want to renew our vows
45:36I want to
45:37she wants to be able to afford
45:38to pay the bills
45:39and buy food
45:39she needs you
45:40to make a commitment
45:41or she says she will lose you
45:42that's an absolute fact
45:43that's a commitment
45:45I'm going to take today
45:55I want to commit today
45:56to change
45:57why so long has it taken you
45:58to do this serious question
46:02I thought if I
46:04if I forgave him
46:05loads of times
46:06he might be able to start
46:07but
46:07it's called enabling
46:09do you give him money
46:10to gamble with
46:11no
46:11but you turn a blind eye
46:12you have done
46:13point is this
46:14we'll do all we can
46:15to help you Robert
46:16but the most important thing
46:17and that is a process
46:18that you know
46:19is away from the cameras
46:20of Graham and the team
46:22you can commit to it
46:23or you can throw it
46:23back in our face
46:24that's up to you
46:25because you won't get
46:25a second chance
46:26you two are massively
46:27important in this
46:27you've got to be stronger
46:29than you were today
46:29on the show
46:30I know it's difficult
46:30I mean really strong
46:31don't just say things
46:32if you don't mean them
46:34you will not get over this
46:35until somebody
46:37tells you the truth
46:38somebody faces up to you
46:39and says
46:40you're throwing good money away
46:42you can't win
46:43you're going to lose
46:43your bird
46:44Graham's there
46:44he's waiting
46:45and at the end of the day
46:46we will begin this process
46:48and you know what Robert
46:49I hope it works
46:50it might
46:51it might not
46:51but it's down to you
46:52he's through there
46:54give him a round of applause
46:55you're going on your own
46:55go
47:00I think
47:01I think it's like anybody
47:04you know
47:05we send people to rehab
47:06we send people to detox
47:08we send and deal with people
47:09in their relationships
47:10with gambling
47:10with drugs
47:12it's a commitment
47:12from us
47:13we just need the commitment back
47:15you need to be strong
47:16don't give him money
47:17when he's skint
47:18don't turn a blind eye
47:20stick to what you said
47:21you were going to stick to
47:22that's the best chance
47:23he's going to get
47:24for a long long time
47:26alright ladies
47:27we'll ask you to sit there
47:28because I am for this morning
47:29out of time
47:29don't forget
47:30if you want to be here
47:30you need our help
47:31like that man
47:32the details are on the website
47:34they're on your screen
47:34right now
47:35to my guest
47:35to this audience
47:36and to you lot at home
47:37you lot
47:37my lovely viewers
47:38take care
47:38see you soon
47:39bye bye
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