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00:00On today's show...
00:02I want to have my life for good, and to be honest, I hate the guts.
00:06And I wish it was her that was dead, not my dad.
00:08Could we sit down?
00:10The man's been out for all life.
00:11Why don't you shut the man up again?
00:13You just shut the man up and not ditching the man up.
00:16You're a liar.
00:17You're a liar.
00:18You're a liar.
00:20I'll put you out and fall.
00:22Shut up.
00:24Don't you want to.
00:26You are the liar.
00:28Oi, oi, don't look at him.
00:31Don't you sit down to my face, Ed.
00:33I don't look at him.
00:34Who are you?
00:35Do what?
00:36Get him off.
00:36This is about you and your son.
00:39I know, but he has been threatening Richard, um, Lewis.
00:42Hold on, no, it's obviously right.
00:43He's been threatening me.
00:47You're always taking cocaine, are you telling me this?
00:53I don't even want you back here.
00:55Why should I help you?
00:56It seems like you've already judged me before I've come on.
00:58So, I've already judged you.
01:01Every minute of the day, you're snapping at me.
01:03And I have to get away from that.
01:04And my only escape from that is to get away from that and go and smoke a joint.
01:37Thank you, my friends.
01:38He knows she's never been there for him, prioritising his other siblings and wait for it.
01:42I can't believe I'm reading this.
01:43Apparently, according to him, her outdoor TV aerial is more important than her son.
01:47He wants his mum to stop harassing him and his girlfriend and says that after today, frankly,
01:51he never wants to see her again.
01:51And they are strong words, but this guy says, I mean it.
01:54Richard is on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
02:10What are we doing standing up?
02:13No, no, what are we doing standing up?
02:15Can you sit down or...?
02:16Not at the moment.
02:17Right.
02:18OK.
02:19Right.
02:20Welcome to the show, Richard.
02:21How are you?
02:21I'm all right.
02:22Not all right.
02:23Why are we here, Richard?
02:25Basically, what is that?
02:29My mum was never there for me.
02:30She's cheating me quite badly.
02:33She's basically not giving me my clothes back.
02:35Sorry, sorry, sorry.
02:37I feel like I'm in the middle of antiques roadshow.
02:39Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
02:40Can you shut up?
02:41Can you shut up?
02:42Thanks.
02:44Sorry.
02:47And, er, basically, I went out of my life for good.
02:51And, er, be honest, I hit her guts.
02:54And I wish it was her that was gone, that was dead, not my dad.
02:56Can we sit down?
02:59That's what she's turned around and said to me about...
03:01Right, on a serious note, because it is serious.
03:03You're the world's worst mum.
03:05She's 56, she's 33.
03:07Yes.
03:07First childhood memory.
03:08Tell me.
03:10Er, probably getting hit back by my mother.
03:13You said that she was violent to the point where, on one occasion, she held a knife to your throat.
03:18Yes.
03:19How old?
03:20Er, I was quite young at the time.
03:24Did you go into care?
03:25No, I didn't report or anything.
03:27I didn't tell my dad because I didn't think that anybody would believe me.
03:30Your dad, who was your hero, and your mum split up, you went to live with your dad.
03:33Your dad raised you.
03:34Yeah, I think my dad.
03:34Yeah?
03:35Erm, she's hit you, she's threatened you.
03:38Yep.
03:39She's slagged you off a lot.
03:40And in anybody's work...
03:41Do you know what?
03:42You must be the whole...
03:43Why don't you shut the whole...
03:44Hey, just shut the whole...
03:45Just shut the whole...
03:45Just shut the whole...
03:45You're not looking for...
03:46Just shut the...
03:46You're looking for...
03:48Just shut the whole...
03:50You're not looking for you.
03:52Who are you?
03:52I put you out for four weeks.
03:54Shut up.
03:54You are his mother...
03:57I've just, I've put him up for four weeks, you're supposed to put him up for his entire life
04:01I've put him up for four weeks
04:08Who's that bloke?
04:10That's my little sister's boyfriend, she's completely
04:16Why would you come here today to tell your mother you want nothing more to do with her?
04:19What's the remit, what's the point behind it?
04:21Why are you here?
04:22Well I'm here, whenever I get into a new relationship she keeps slagging me off to my new partner
04:29She don't let me do what I want, it's my own life, she's never been there for me anyway
04:34You're in a new relationship with Jenny, very happy, she's making threats, she's being vile
04:39You're saying, I mean you heard it just then, I've had him for four weeks, that's generous
04:44I'm not interested in you, keep your nose out of my business, what's this about the TV aerial?
04:50Basically, she gave me a TV aerial that I couldn't have, it didn't work, I couldn't get it repaired
04:56She told my team, I'm not interested in a relationship with him, but that has got my TV aerial and
05:01a tin opener
05:02And I want them both back
05:03That's your mother, a tin opener
05:08He's that strong, he can do tins with a hand, can't you Steve?
05:11This goes like that and the top flies off
05:14She has all my, she's got stuff of yours that you want back, what's she got?
05:17She's got about 12 shirts of mine, a pair of shoes and a £300 suit which I bought, it's tailored
05:24fit, especially for my dad's funeral
05:27And she won't even give it back to me
05:28So you want a £300 suit and she wants a tin opener?
05:32Yeah?
05:33You don't want anything to do with her?
05:34I don't want anything to do with her
05:35So that's what you're here to tell her, are you alright?
05:37Yeah
05:37Is it going alright?
05:38Shall we get her out?
05:39Yeah
05:39Tina's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
05:51You are the liar
05:53Tina, welcome to the show
05:54Hiya
05:55You came out of the side and you shouted and I quote
05:57I've had him for four weeks as your son
06:00He had a chance of a place
06:02Why didn't you bring him up when he was a baby?
06:04Because me and his father had a divorce
06:06Yeah, so why did he go to...
06:08So why did you not be involved in your child's life?
06:11Because I lived too far away at the time
06:13That's your boy!
06:14Too far away!
06:15Why?
06:16That's what he blamed me as a divorce of me and his father
06:19So how old was he when he went to live with his father?
06:22He's been there all the time for him
06:24How old was he woman?
06:25Shut up Jenny, it's not difficult
06:26How old was he when he went to live with his father?
06:29He's been living with his father all the time
06:31So you weren't involved in his life?
06:33You didn't go and see him?
06:35No, I've seen him at the time
06:37You've seen him up in the town?
06:40You're his mother and you don't go and see him?
06:42Yeah, but he didn't want nothing to do with me
06:44Probably because you didn't give a damn love!
06:46Yes I did
06:47Then why didn't you go and visit him?
06:48Because I was phoning his father and saying I want to see Richard
06:52Well why didn't you go to court?
06:53You don't think she fought for you do you?
06:55She didn't give a **** back to me to be honest
06:57Like you do with me and your other sister
06:58Forget that, what about the violence towards him?
07:00What about holding a knife to his throat?
07:02Bull, he's a liar
07:04Who's that?
07:05I'm a liar
07:05Is that Jenny?
07:06Who's a liar?
07:08Go on
07:09You're a liar yourself, you used to beat me with a bit of 4x2
07:12No I never
07:13Yes you did
07:14No I never
07:15Yes you did
07:15No I never
07:16So you're telling me that you never used to hit me
07:18You never used to punch me
07:19Yeah I used to smack you when you were naughty
07:21I thought you didn't see him
07:22I thought you didn't see him
07:24How did you smack him if you didn't see him?
07:26No when
07:26When we were still
07:27How old was he when he left your
07:29When you split up
07:30How old was he that he went to live with his dad?
07:34Can't you remember that?
07:35No I'm ten
07:35Oh and you didn't bother from that age?
07:38I've seen him when he used to come out to see me
07:40So his only memory of you is being violent
07:41About ten minutes around the corner
07:43He is a born liar
07:45He's your son
07:46I know he is
07:46Well maybe if you'd done a better bloody job he wouldn't be so messed up
07:49He was a liar
07:53Ward has now got so many health problems
07:55He's treating me like I was a
07:56When I was younger
07:57Why'd you have a problem with his girlfriend?
07:59I haven't got a problem with her
08:00So what have you been slagging her off on Facebook then?
08:03I have not
08:05No I have not
08:06You said she's a horrible, horrible person
08:08And she's vile
08:08Why does he threaten me to smash my windows in then?
08:13And can't say anything because I've got proof
08:14What did you tell my teen that she likes to do to herself?
08:19Go on
08:19I don't want to say
08:21No you've got to now
08:22She's got all the rest
08:24What did you say about her to my teen?
08:26She likes things satisfying her
08:45What did you say about her?
08:53I don't said nothing
08:54All she likes to use things to satisfy herself
08:57What?
08:58Oh
08:58Oh
08:58Carrots
08:59Orangey
09:00Penalias
09:01Cucumber
09:02She's the way to sit
09:03And she's going to school
09:05After the break
09:06We're going to meet the new girlfriend
09:07Who might or might not have a penchant for carrots
09:11We'll do some drug test results
09:13I'm just fortunately glad
09:14Nobody mentioned cucumbers
09:16See you in a minute
09:16Why don't you like his girlfriend by the way?
09:19I
09:19You told my team
09:20She likes to satisfy herself with carrots
09:23Other things
09:24No no
09:24No no
09:25No no
09:26What other things?
09:28Cucumbers
09:33You're such a liar
09:34You make empty promises to me
09:40You say I'm going to stop with me for the kids
09:43And you don't
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10:23Before the break we met Richard and Tina
10:25Do you know that carrots make you see in the dark?
10:28Do you know?
10:29So you've got a problem with his girlfriend
10:30But actually essentially what this is about
10:32Is the fact that you weren't any sort of mother to him
10:33Were you?
10:35When he wasn't around yeah
10:36But why didn't you make more of an effort?
10:38Because that surely would explain why
10:40The guy feels like he does
10:42He didn't want to know me
10:43Because he blamed me
10:44If his father and me
10:46You were violent to him weren't you?
10:48No
10:49Why are you here?
10:51Busy to get around my life
10:52For good
10:53You want your TV aerial
10:55You want your TV aerial
10:55I don't want her to leave me alone
10:57Talk to each other
10:58I've got it
10:58I want you to leave me alone
10:59Leave
11:00Stay out of my relationships yeah
11:01What's this about the TV aerial?
11:03It's what my auntie gave me before she passed away
11:06It's a TV aerial
11:07Yeah it's sentimental
11:08Does it work?
11:09Yes
11:10It did
11:10It doesn't work now
11:11It did
11:12It didn't work in the first place
11:13Yes it did
11:14What are you saying he's nicked your dead auntie's TV aerial?
11:17My late auntie's yes
11:18What about the tin opener?
11:19Who gave you that?
11:20That's mine
11:20Why do you
11:22Why are you bothered about her tin opener?
11:23I lent it to him
11:25It's a tin opener
11:25That was all
11:25It's not a house
11:26It's a tin opener
11:27I know
11:27I lent it to him until he got a tremendous
11:29Go and buy another one
11:29Don't you think that you
11:31I have got another one
11:32Good this is tremendous news
11:33So you don't want the tin opener?
11:34Yes I don't want the stuff opener
11:36Why would you
11:36Why would you
11:37Why would you
11:37Maybe you owe him 23 years of birthday presents and Christmas presents
11:43Maybe he's just holding it because he's angry with you
11:45Why don't you like his girlfriend by the way?
11:48I
11:48You told my team she likes to satisfy ourselves with carrots
11:51And other things
11:53And other things
11:53No no no
11:55What other things?
11:57Cucumbers
12:00Who's told you do this?
12:01Anything else?
12:02Yeah
12:02What?
12:03Toothbrush
12:05What's that?
12:06What's that?
12:06Just women
12:07Hold on
12:08Hold on
12:08Is that one of those electronic toothbrushes?
12:10I don't know
12:12I don't know
12:13I don't know
12:13Jay's on the journey
12:14Go
12:24Shut up
12:25This has got nothing to do with you
12:27You haven't been there for your son
12:29You haven't been there for me
12:30This is between me, Richard and Lewis
12:33So what is Lewis going to do with it?
12:34What is Lewis going to do with it?
12:35What is Lewis going to do with it?
12:35He's in weird because he's threatening
12:37No no this is about you and your son love
12:39I know
12:39But he has been threatening Richard
12:41Um Lewis
12:42Hold on
12:42No it's obviously right
12:43What message has he sent me then?
12:44He's been threatening me
12:45Message on Facebook saying he's going to smash my face when he sees me
12:48Yeah
12:49Look at the lie
12:50You've turned around and say
12:52You was up your mate
12:53Called up your mate
12:54And erm
12:56He's supposed to have hit you
12:58Rubbish
12:59It's not rubbish
13:02Jenny what do you make of this woman as a mother?
13:04She's
13:05She's not been there for him
13:06His father's been there for him more than he has
13:08Hang on
13:09You've known him four weeks
13:10Four weeks
13:11No he's not been four weeks
13:12Which is longer than you had him under your face
13:14If you think about him to leave him
13:18I don't think you can't actually do that about your person
13:20I don't think you should be married today
13:22Trying to make it work
13:23Come on
13:23You don't talk
13:23Would you use beat me though with a bit of wood?
13:25No I never
13:26Yes you did
13:26No I
13:28Why don't you tell the truth
13:31Why don't you tell the truth
13:34Why don't you tell the truth
13:34Why are you more interested in Lewis than you are on your own son
13:37Yeah Lewis
13:37Because he had threatened Lewis
13:39He's just going out with your daughter isn't he?
13:41Apparently he's a bit of a druggie according to him
13:43No he is not
13:43Lewis is on the Jeremy Carl show that way
13:49What the hell is doing
13:51Who the hell ising the truth
13:54He's jhuman
13:54You're the one who's taking cocaine and cannabis
13:57I'm the one who's not doing drugs
13:59Don't drug test
14:00Shut up
14:01Shut up
14:02See what I mean
14:03More on it for him
14:05Don't drug test
14:06He's done one
14:08He has done a drug test today
14:10And we'll find out the results
14:12Why did you refuse to do a drugs test?
14:14Oh, well played! Well played!
14:16That's something to hide!
14:19I've done drugs tests!
14:20Look at me! Not him!
14:22Hey! Hey! Hey!
14:24What are you going to do?
14:24Are you having a relationship with him?
14:26No! He's told everybody that someone's going to...
14:29Who sent this text? Is that you?
14:30At least I don't pleasure myself with a carrot or a toothbrush.
14:33You can't even keep your mouth closed.
14:35You said you were going to knock out my mother-in-law,
14:36but we all know you're all mouth and mouth.
14:38Oh, that's me!
14:38She probably is all mouth.
14:41He is not your son-in-law!
14:45You've been saying he's old brother-in-law!
14:47No, I...
14:48What are you to do with this? Shut up!
14:50What are you to do with this?
14:51He's saying he has accused me of being drugs.
14:53Are you? No, I'm not.
14:55No, I haven't.
14:56You told my team he was a druggy for your information to balance it.
15:01He did a drugs test and he's completely clear.
15:03Thank you!
15:04No!
15:04I don't know!
15:06I don't know!
15:07He was on drugs!
15:10You're a liar though, aren't you?
15:12No, I'm not.
15:12Yeah, you are. You refused to do a drugs test.
15:14You admitted to my team.
15:15Shut up.
15:17Be quiet. You admitted you're on cannabis.
15:19Yeah, I do, but I'm cannabis everywhere.
15:20So how can you call him a druggy when he's clear of your own weed?
15:23But I've never called him a druggy assert.
15:25I've never...
15:25Those words are not coming back in my mind.
15:27Why are you involved?
15:28And why are you all over him like a bleeding rash?
15:30Because I can calm him down.
15:32That's your son?
15:34Yes, I know.
15:34You haven't been there for 23 years, love!
15:37I know!
15:38That's what this...
15:39Not carrots and drugs!
15:41It's about you and your son!
15:43And you should know what your son is like.
15:46I know!
15:47You should know what your son is like.
15:50I know!
15:51He wants to have more respect for me.
15:53How can you respect...
15:54You're not listening to me.
15:55How can you respect somebody who walked out of your life when you were 10?
15:58Just imagine this for a minute, calmly.
16:00At 10, he goes with his dad.
16:02He didn't make that decision.
16:03At 10, you don't make that decision.
16:04He had chance completely if he wanted to.
16:06Listen!
16:06Then he's in one situation and one person saying one thing
16:10and one person saying the other.
16:11But at 10, in his mind, I bet you he thought,
16:14my mother's abandoned me.
16:16Why didn't you work out that,
16:19irrespective of what you thought of his dad
16:20or what his dad thought of you,
16:22this kid's view of you was going to be coloured.
16:24He thinks you don't give a damn, mate.
16:26I know.
16:26That's what this is about.
16:28Not Lewis.
16:29Not her.
16:30It's about you two.
16:31We did take it further, me and his father.
16:34But they suggest he stays with his father.
16:37He's made mistakes and he ate the archangel,
16:40but he's your son and the one you look at him.
16:41I wanted him with me.
16:43Have you ever told him that?
16:45Yes.
16:45Steve, step back a minute.
16:46Yes, I did.
16:47Do you do me a favour, actually?
16:48Can you go?
16:49It's really sweet of you to be here.
16:50Can you go as well?
16:51Because I...
16:52Forget him a minute.
16:54This is what this is about.
16:55I did want him with me.
16:56Then talk to your son.
16:57I did.
16:57I chose Steve with my dad.
16:59Do you know what?
16:59I know.
17:00I chose Steve with him,
17:00because I knew I'd have better life with dad than himself with you.
17:03With you.
17:04Hang on, hang on.
17:05Hold on.
17:05Let me finish.
17:06Let her speak, Richard.
17:07No, hold on.
17:08I'm going to say this now, Jeremy.
17:09So why did you come to me saying that your father has pinned you at the wall?
17:14And with his zip-up jumper.
17:15That's good.
17:16Remember that one?
17:17He had you at the throat.
17:18You had laughs on your neck.
17:19How many times did you beat me, though?
17:20I didn't.
17:21How many times did you beat me?
17:22A lot of times.
17:23I didn't.
17:23Yeah?
17:24You hit me all the time.
17:25Anne-Marie is your daughter.
17:27I've got an interesting statement from Anne-Marie.
17:28She says, when Richard first moved in, I was nervous, but excited to see my brother
17:31again.
17:31In the four weeks, he stayed with us.
17:33That quickly changed.
17:34I hated the way he treated me and my mother.
17:36He caused a load of arguments, and now I want nothing more to do with him.
17:40Can I just say very quietly to you, I am not condoning anything that he might
17:45or might not have done or said.
17:47We've made the point about the drugs, right?
17:48It's two sides to every story.
17:49But if you grow up and you've got a chip on your shoulder, as large as he undoubtedly
17:55has, as the parent, you have to take responsibility for that.
17:59And I just feel like it's all about your daughter.
18:02It's all about your daughter's boyfriend, as most human beings do.
18:05When faced with criticism, you just have this, he's a gob this, he does that, which
18:10you get all that, but you haven't actually addressed the issue here.
18:12And the issue is, however angry he is, at 33, is that right?
18:17Yeah.
18:17He's here.
18:17He's basically not here to tell you to get lost, you stupid woman.
18:20He's here to say, where the hell were you, mum?
18:22He wouldn't be sitting here.
18:23Don't look there.
18:24Look at him.
18:25He's here because he cares.
18:26I know.
18:27Then do something as a mother and prove that you understand.
18:30Your father didn't speak with me.
18:31I don't know why.
18:32You did not know why.
18:33Because you knew how you used to be.
18:34Because I told him how you used to be.
18:36Yes.
18:36We took it further to, I can't remember the place.
18:39And they said.
18:40When he was 16, when he was 18, when he was no longer with his dad, that was still 15
18:44years
18:45ago.
18:45I was basically.
18:45How long ago did your dad die?
18:47Six years ago.
18:48Where have you been?
18:52Where have you been?
18:55Where have you been?
18:55Where have you been?
18:56Where have you been in the last six years?
18:57He was living with his ex-girlfriend.
18:59Could you have done more?
19:01Could have done, yes.
19:02Then tell your son and drop your attitude.
19:05But at this time, I did not know where he was living when he was living it.
19:07I'm not being funny.
19:07You knew where I was living.
19:09You knew I was living there, yeah?
19:10Do you know what he is?
19:11Look at him.
19:12It's like a coil of anger.
19:13Before we had the fall eight, yeah?
19:15You knew where I was living.
19:16You knew I was still living there.
19:18Yeah, but I.
19:18Yeah.
19:18But I.
19:18You got told.
19:19At that time, I had.
19:20We had a bit of problems.
19:22Richard, shush.
19:23I love your mum, don't you?
19:24Yeah, I do.
19:25But it's getting to the point now, to be honest.
19:28I'm always about, every time we have an argument.
19:30Start your voice.
19:30Every time we have an argument.
19:32Shh, shh, shh, shh.
19:33You love your mum, don't you?
19:34Yeah, I do.
19:34Right, stop.
19:36Is there anything inside you at all?
19:38Yeah.
19:38Get off your heart.
19:39I love him to death.
19:40Then why don't you tell him or show him or say sorry or do something which makes this kid-
19:44Why should I say sorry when he's been treated-
19:45Because you're his mother and you haven't been a good one, to be honest.
19:49He's been treated me like heck-
19:50Well, I'm not saying a problem.
19:51That's what kids do.
19:52I know.
19:53Okay, what about this then?
19:54Every time you're treating me like an idiot, yeah?
19:56It's like a competition.
19:57You basically disowned me, yeah?
19:59Who's the one that tried to sort-
20:02Who came then inside?
20:03No, hold on, hold on.
20:04Tina, Tina.
20:04Who's always trying to sort out this relationship?
20:06Me.
20:07Richard, Richard, Richard.
20:08I'm always trying to come to you.
20:09Shh, shh.
20:09Tina.
20:10I am sure he has said and done things which are not great.
20:13I'm pretty sure, like most kids, he's a pain in the backside.
20:16However, I do not believe for one moment he would be here.
20:19And I don't believe for one moment that you can't understand the next sentence.
20:22The onus is on you.
20:23You're the mother.
20:24For whatever reason you weren't around, fine.
20:27You have your reasons.
20:28He has his view.
20:29You like a cold fish, love?
20:31You're the-
20:32Well, then show your son or talk to your son or talk-
20:35Stop talking at him.
20:36Not he won't.
20:38Try it.
20:38Look at your son.
20:39What do you want?
20:40What?
20:41Go away.
20:42No.
20:43Sorry.
20:44No.
20:45Sit down.
20:45What do you mean?
20:46Sorry?
20:46Oi.
20:49Excuse me.
20:51All I'm saying to you-
20:53Hang on a minute.
20:53I'm not doing it when she's here.
20:55Could you-
20:56Could you-
20:58Yes.
20:58Goodbye.
21:00All I'm saying to you know, yeah?
21:03All I'm saying to you know, yeah?
21:08All I'm saying to you know.
21:10Every time we've had a falling night, yeah?
21:13Who's the one that's always come to you and tried to sort it out?
21:17You come to me.
21:17I'm the one that's always made the effort.
21:19Always.
21:19Do you love your son?
21:20Yes, I do.
21:22When was the last time you told him?
21:24Not long ago, when he was living at my house.
21:27Can I say something, Richard?
21:28I've been quite forceful on her and she has-
21:30You haven't been to talk.
21:31You just butt, butt, butt.
21:32I'm sick and tired of hearing that.
21:33Listen to me.
21:34Don't believe for one minute that you would be here and it's essentially underneath you
21:37wanted to do something, right?
21:38You will only do that if you listen, if you're honest and you accept.
21:42There will be things that you have done and she has done that frankly you will not get back.
21:46This is about us two.
21:47What are you watching today?
21:48Tell her.
21:49Basically after today, you know, over you buck up your ideas, yeah?
21:53Start treating me with a bit more respect that you see that.
21:55Two way street, Richard.
21:56Yeah.
21:57You're a 33 year old man who smokes cannabis.
21:59You're not hardly innocent, are you?
22:00What?
22:01What?
22:01No, no, don't argue with me because I'll win.
22:03I'm just saying.
22:04You're either here, you're either here because you want to make something work with your mother
22:07or you can do one.
22:08I believe it's the first.
22:10Now, both of you need to understand, you're very similar by the way, that's the biggest
22:13problem here.
22:14What you got to understand is, people make mistakes and then they move on with their lives.
22:18You have to accept that what's happened has happened.
22:20You came here because you want to make things better, don't you?
22:23Basically, I want to make things work, yeah.
22:24Right.
22:26I was going to say, but.
22:28Don't you want a better relationship?
22:29I don't know.
22:31Because either way, he's been towards me.
22:33You're both saying that, but do you not think that you would gain something from doing in
22:36a proper way, listening to each other, not in front of the cameras, getting everything
22:40out, just the two of you, not Lewis, not Anne-Marie, not Jenny or whatever, I'm not bothered.
22:45You two.
22:46Do you not think that some time spent at least trying to make it better, even if you then
22:51walk away in opposite directions is a good thing, don't you?
22:54I don't know whether I want a relationship with him.
22:56All right, you either want my team's help or you don't.
22:57Do you want to sit in a room and try and work this out?
22:59No.
23:00Don't even talk to me anymore.
23:05Do one now.
23:05Do one.
23:06Do one.
23:06Do one.
23:06I'll try.
23:07Do one.
23:08Do one.
23:08Why would I be surprised that a woman-
23:10Can I say something?
23:11Nothing.
23:11Get off my stage, you disgusting human being.
23:13I'm not so.
23:15All right.
23:17Stop, stop, stop.
23:19Here just want to get
23:20all the time. Then do me a favour,
23:23right? Just get them out of the
23:25building, please. Here's the thing. I've
23:29tried to because I think,
23:30essentially, underneath all the bravado that's what you want. Patently not. Listen, stop saying
23:34butt and listen to
23:35me.
23:37Sadly, sometimes in life you have to take that on the chin and get on with your life
23:40and you have to go, do you know what, I can spend a long time
23:42banging my head against a brick wall, there's no point.
23:44I've done it a long time.
23:45You've got a life, I'm sorry that didn't work out,
23:48but I'll draw a line and move on.
23:50All right?
23:50OK.
23:50And stop smoking cannabis.
23:52Yeah, I'm grateful you won't.
23:54I was going to make something in a place there.
23:57It's not about point scoring, it's about your life.
23:59We'll talk to you backstage.
24:00Give him a round of applause.
24:01Thanks for coming on, Pat.
24:03To our best, you never know, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't after the break
24:06on this stage, a relationship of breaking point.
24:08I'm right back, don't go anywhere.
24:10Because you've got a real addiction to cannabis, yeah?
24:12Yeah.
24:12To the point where you're picking over your missus and your kids, yeah?
24:15No.
24:16Fact.
24:16No, no, no.
24:17£120 a week, where'd you get the money from?
24:18No, you're wrong.
24:19Where'd you get the money from?
24:20Pages, savings, and now job seekers allowed.
24:22Job seekers allowed, so I'm paying for you to smoke dope all day.
24:27She got very upset, you two said you'd come and do it.
24:29Very simply, with Theft Law Detector, we asked Kirstie to steal the money in question
24:32that went missing from your mother's handbag.
24:34You said no.
24:35Why did she say no?
24:48Thank you very much, indeed.
24:49Welcome back.
24:49My next guest today, Daniel, is here for a make-or-break showdown with fiancée Lee,
24:53whom she claims is putting cannabis before her and their children.
24:56She says she can no longer trust him around the kids and is ready to walk away
24:59unless he says he will accept our help today.
25:02She says difficult times, she needs to get it sorted.
25:04Danielle, next on the car show, that way.
25:14These are the stories that frustrate me.
25:19I can tell by your face what it means to you.
25:21You've been in the league for four years, engaged, three kids together.
25:24How old?
25:26Three, two, and one.
25:29I've just had my three, 12, 10, and 8,
25:31and I feel like I've been fighting Mike Tyson for a month.
25:35Three, two, and one.
25:36You look absolutely fantastic for having three kids under three.
25:45When you met him, before we talk about why you're here today,
25:50did you know he was on drugs?
25:51Yes.
25:52Why did you put up with it, then?
25:53Why did you have three kids with him?
25:54Because when I first met him, it was more of a social thing.
25:57Yes, I met, I smoked it too at the time,
25:59because I got in with the wrong crowd,
26:00and I thought it was a social aspect.
26:04But me trying to be a good mum,
26:06I stopped as soon as I found out I was pregnant.
26:08I have a real problem with this guy,
26:10because we've offered him help before, haven't we?
26:11Yeah.
26:12Which he's, I mean, I'm going to quote,
26:13and he can kick off all he wants.
26:15You had some relationship problems.
26:17We sorted it out.
26:18We provided you with relationship counselling.
26:19At the first time he had to go
26:22to counselling for his cannabis addiction,
26:24the answer was, it was five miles away,
26:26and I couldn't be bothered, really.
26:29So why should I help him today?
26:31I mean, I don't believe he's going to change,
26:32because I'm not having a go at you,
26:33but I don't want to look at him.
26:35Get rid of that.
26:36But if he hasn't shown that he wants to change
26:39before he had kids, and now he's got three kids,
26:42and now you're here saying, do it,
26:44why?
26:44Why would he?
26:47He's said to me, I want to stop.
26:50I can't stop.
26:51But you have real concerns about leaving him with the kids.
26:53Tell us what happened when you're dead.
26:55You're scared, aren't you?
26:56Sometimes, yes, I do admit I wouldn't leave the kids with him.
27:00The other day you left him with the kids.
27:01Tell the audience what happened.
27:03I had to grab something for the kids.
27:05I said to him, could you watch the kids five minutes?
27:08I need to go grab something upstairs for my son.
27:11I went upstairs, come back downstairs,
27:12and he was outside in the garden.
27:15Spends £120 a week on the drugs he was smoking in the garden.
27:19I've got loans in the past to buy the kids' essentials.
27:21Says he'll quit, but it's...
27:27The Jeremy Carl Show, that way.
27:36I don't even want you back here.
27:37Why should I help you?
27:38It seems like you've already judged me before I've come on, so...
27:40I've already judged you?
27:41You've already judged me.
27:42Yeah, I was the person, or rather the aftercare team,
27:45that provided you with six hourly sessions for relationship counselling,
27:48which you attended to,
27:49and then you were offered to go and get...
27:51Because you've got a real addiction to cannabis, yeah?
27:53Yeah.
27:54To the point where you're picking over your missus and your kids, yeah?
27:57No.
27:57Fact.
27:58No.
27:58£120 a week.
27:59Where'd you get the money from?
28:00No, you're wrong.
28:00Where'd you get the money from?
28:01Ages, savings, and now, and now, jobseeker's allowance.
28:04Jobseeker's allowance.
28:05So I'm paying for you to smoke dope all day.
28:07Pretty much.
28:08Don't you think your kids...
28:09And I need to stop, sir.
28:09That's disgusting, because your kids could do with more things, couldn't they?
28:13They could do that, yeah.
28:15They could do a lot better.
28:17You used to know, and you go,
28:18Oh, you've judged me.
28:19Hold on one second.
28:20Why didn't you go to the counselling for the cannabis?
28:23Because it was in the middle of nowhere.
28:24There was no transport.
28:25There was no way to get there.
28:26How many people in this audience were?
28:28I told you this.
28:29How many people...
28:29Shut up.
28:30How many people in this audience were?
28:32Yeah.
28:32You're paying tax, right, to smoke dope all day
28:35and not go five miles to cure his problems.
28:37Do me a favour if I judge you.
28:39Ask the audience what they think, mate.
28:41Go and get a job and support your own family.
28:44Hang on.
28:45You're all wrong.
28:47This is completely wrong.
28:48Hang on.
28:49Tell me wrong.
28:50Yeah, you're completely wrong.
28:51You tell me what I'm wrong.
28:52Because I'll tell you why, right?
28:53Because I quit my job.
28:54I quit my job.
28:55I worked in a post office.
28:56I quit that a couple of months ago
28:58because we're moving home out the area to make this change.
29:01All right?
29:02Why didn't you ask for a transfer from the post office?
29:04Because there was no vacancies where we were going.
29:08Right?
29:09So you quit your job and put your family on the breadline
29:12simply to move out an area
29:14because you're not strong enough to quit dope
29:16but then you were given a chance to go somewhere
29:18that means you wouldn't have to move your family
29:20out of where they know
29:21because it's all about you and the people you hang around with.
29:23So if you'd gone the five miles and got a cure
29:26you wouldn't have to move
29:27and you'd still have a job, wouldn't you?
29:32I'm not strong enough to put on my own.
29:34Sorry?
29:34I'm not strong enough to put on my own.
29:36Why do you keep having kids with a woman?
29:38Who says nothing, by the way, of course she says nothing.
29:40Well, well, there's another thing.
29:41It's attitude towards me and communication.
29:43We don't talk to each other.
29:47So every time you tell me to stop, you know, I say I get help
29:51and then it's attitude, you snap at me all the time.
29:54Every minute of the day you're snapping at me
29:56and I have to get away from that
29:57and my only escape from that is to get away from that
29:59and go and smoke a joint.
30:01It's my only escape because I've got nothing else I can do.
30:05You make empty promises to me.
30:08You say I'm going to stop for me, for the kids
30:11and you don't.
30:12What am I supposed to do?
30:13Which is why I'm here today.
30:15We're trying to make a change for the better.
30:17No, no, you're trying to move out of the area
30:18and away from where she likes
30:19because you're not man enough or controlled enough
30:22to not go out and buy dope.
30:23Why is the other reason we want to move?
30:26Not just because of that.
30:26Why do you keep having kids?
30:27Because you get more money for it every week.
30:29No.
30:29Why do you keep having kids with a young girl?
30:31Three, two and one.
30:32Why?
30:32Why do you keep having kids?
30:34Why did you have three kids in the first place?
30:36Because I love this woman
30:37and this isn't what I want to be with.
30:39You love this woman
30:40but you keep smoking dope
30:41to the point where she has to take out loans
30:42to look after the kids you keep making her pregnant with.
30:45What's the point of that?
30:46Well, the point of that.
30:47I'll tell you what the point is.
30:48We've got a system in this country
30:49that says have as many kids as you want
30:50and the rest of us will pay for it.
30:51You should pay for your own kids.
30:53I always have done.
30:54What?
30:54I always have done.
30:55Up to a couple of months ago.
30:57When did you start work?
30:59A couple of months ago.
31:00I can't do this.
31:01Do you know why I can't do this?
31:01Because darling,
31:02this ain't going to change
31:02because this is you.
31:03You just have that.
31:05Help themselves out.
31:06Graham's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
31:07Give him a round of applause.
31:10Can't have it.
31:11Can't have it.
31:14Much nicer than me, we know that
31:16but I can't have it.
31:17He got offered the help.
31:18He's got three kids
31:19and he smokes dope all the time
31:21and apparently it's her fault
31:22for having a go at him.
31:23Come on, gee, that's not right.
31:24But I didn't just blame it on you, did I?
31:27I haven't just blamed it on you.
31:28I know it's my problem.
31:30I know it's my fault
31:31but not talking to me
31:33and attitude
31:34and snapping at me.
31:35Because of not to bring my childhood
31:36into it
31:37but because of my childhood
31:38I do not know how to cope
31:40with situations.
31:42I think
31:43what you need to acknowledge
31:45is what's been said previously
31:46and you've got three children
31:47under the age of three
31:49and she must find that
31:50incredibly stressful
31:51looking after those three children.
31:53you don't cope very well
31:54with stress.
31:55Unless I stop.
31:57They don't deserve me as a father
31:58and I've already said that.
31:59Okay, but what I said to you
32:00is that you don't cope
32:01very well with stress.
32:03So a lot of that work
32:04is left to her.
32:05Okay?
32:06And when she snaps at you
32:07I think that that's probably
32:10expected
32:11because she's doing
32:12most of the work
32:13and coping with most of the stress
32:15around raising three children.
32:16So you're using cannabis
32:18as a way of coping
32:19with the stressful environment
32:21that's at home
32:22but you also created
32:23that environment.
32:24Okay?
32:24You created these children
32:25with her.
32:26We offered him help, Graham.
32:27He didn't turn up.
32:28How can I believe he's motivated?
32:30That's what I want to talk about.
32:31Okay, so maybe at that time
32:32you were not motivated.
32:33This is
32:34a difficult situation as well
32:36because you use cannabis
32:37with tobacco
32:39so it's not just about
32:40the cannabis dependency
32:41it's also about
32:42nicotine addiction.
32:43If you loved your children
32:44if you loved your girlfriend
32:45if you wanted a better life
32:46if you wanted to stop
32:47making excuses
32:48and basically affecting your family
32:50by your choice
32:51to take cannabis
32:51then get that five miles
32:53and get that help
32:54and change your life.
32:56Yes?
32:56Right, go with Graham.
32:58Thank you very much.
32:59Nice to meet you.
33:00Thank you very much.
33:01Thanks, mate.
33:04Good luck to Ben Ray.
33:05You might remember
33:06my next guest
33:07from yesterday's episode.
33:08Take a look at this,
33:09my friends.
33:11You think she's nicked it?
33:13I'm not.
33:13No, I'm central.
33:14So if you're right
33:15she's gone
33:16your brother's girlfriend's
33:18got his relationships in
33:19the toilet all
33:19on the line of text. Please,
33:20if you don't need talk just tell
33:22me. I know,
33:22I'll tell you. Tell me.
33:43You know, I've got a job to keep.
33:46Do you know what I mean?
33:47We asked Ashley
33:47did you steal the money in question
33:49that went missing
33:49from George's mother's handbag?
33:50She said no.
33:52Why are you looking
33:53at your boyfriend like that?
33:54Because I'm telling the truth.
33:55Of course she's telling the truth.
33:58Oh, yeah!
33:59Oh, yeah!
34:02Anybody else in your family
34:03that might have nicked the money?
34:04Well, it's got...
34:05I was going to say,
34:06you now want to go home
34:07and work out
34:08which one of your blood-related siblings.
34:10Why wouldn't...
34:11Well, how do I know
34:12you're telling the truth?
34:13What we think is like
34:15COVID...
34:15something for...
34:16Like, say,
34:17if you wanted us
34:17to do a lie detector,
34:18we'd be better.
34:21Well, Ashley,
34:21who passed the lie detector,
34:22is back with boyfriend
34:23George and his siblings,
34:24Jack and Kirstie,
34:25who accused her
34:26of being a thief.
34:27But we said,
34:28are they the guilty ones?
34:30They've now taken lie detectors.
34:32Let's kick this off again.
34:33Ashley and George
34:34are back on
34:35on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
34:37OK, you sit there, huh?
34:44How are you?
34:45Well, good.
34:46So, we saw you pass this lie detector,
34:48we saw you in bits,
34:49we saw this family,
34:50specifically your brother
34:52and your sister,
34:52say that she was no good,
34:54that she'd done it
34:54and everything was missing
34:55and you passed
34:56with flying colours.
34:57What did that mean?
34:58I knew.
34:59I already knew.
35:01And...
35:02I think he understands now
35:04that it's not a game anymore.
35:05It's difficult, isn't it,
35:06for you, George?
35:07You've got your siblings
35:08in your ear,
35:09you've got your parents
35:09in your ear
35:09saying your girlfriend's
35:10a tea leaf,
35:11but actually,
35:12she absolutely,
35:13you know,
35:13she sorted it out.
35:15Do you feel bad now
35:16for having listened
35:17to them, in effect?
35:19I do, yeah,
35:20to be fair,
35:21but, I mean,
35:22what do you do
35:22in that situation?
35:23Your man on the left,
35:24your brother,
35:25has admitted
35:26in the last few hours
35:27that he's occasionally
35:28put his hand in that pot
35:29and taken a few quid.
35:32Coins.
35:33You've not said
35:33that at all
35:34to anybody here?
35:35Yeah, you have,
35:36haven't you?
35:36No.
35:37You've never said that?
35:38No.
35:39You've never, ever
35:40put your hand in that pot
35:42and taken a couple of quid?
35:43You've never...
35:44Oh, yeah,
35:4450p in a quid,
35:45but, look,
35:46So you have put your hand
35:47in the pot, yeah?
35:47Yeah,
35:48I was younger.
35:50But, than everyone else,
35:51when I was younger,
35:51I grew up
35:52and made mistakes
35:52and grew up and learnt.
35:54But you're on national television
35:55accusing your brother's girlfriend
35:56of nicking it,
35:56but fair play to you
35:57for coming back.
35:58Do you think
35:58they've stolen it?
36:00It's just,
36:01they were so quick
36:01to judge me.
36:02Fair play to them,
36:03they said they'd do
36:04the lie-intended.
36:04Let's come back.
36:05Jack and Kirsty
36:06are back on the
36:07Jeremy Kyle show.
36:08Give them a round of applause.
36:17You said straight away
36:18you'd do one,
36:19but I wasn't lying about that.
36:20You did say
36:20you'd put your hand in the pot.
36:21Oh, yeah.
36:22I did when I was younger.
36:23When I was, well,
36:2410, 11, 12.
36:25Did you nick the money?
36:26No.
36:26Did you nick the money?
36:27No.
36:28What do you feel now
36:29the dust has settled
36:31about this lady?
36:32Because you were very honest
36:33and it wasn't,
36:33you know,
36:33it's difficult,
36:34isn't it?
36:34You come out,
36:35you accuse somebody,
36:35she's telling the truth,
36:36he's telling the truth,
36:37you get slaughtered.
36:37You needed to know
36:39there was reasons for the head.
36:39We did.
36:40We had all reasons
36:41why we thought,
36:42Ashley,
36:42we wouldn't just pluck her
36:43out of thin air,
36:44do you know what I mean?
36:45Will you trust her now?
36:46Yeah.
36:47I trust her more.
36:49Definitely.
36:49But you said the other day
36:51that she's a liar.
36:53Yeah.
36:53That's why I trust her more
36:54because she passes tests.
36:57So you still don't trust her then?
36:58Not fully,
36:59but I trust her.
37:00It'll always be,
37:01it'll always be
37:03one situation after another.
37:04I've always had
37:05loads of cash lying around,
37:07thousands and to be fair,
37:08nothing's ever gone missing
37:09out of my room,
37:09you know what I mean?
37:10And I mean thousands.
37:11George, you said that you thought
37:12that she did it as well,
37:12so don't...
37:13No, I'm not saying that.
37:14Yeah, don't you just sit there
37:15and say,
37:16like, we're the wrong one.
37:18So you two have done the lie detector,
37:20let's have him,
37:20you've done it.
37:21You didn't lick the money?
37:22No.
37:23You came here originally
37:24to accuse your brother's girlfriend
37:25of stealing money
37:26that your parents had saved
37:27for their grandchildren.
37:28Yeah.
37:29You passed with flying colour,
37:30she got very upset,
37:31you two said you'd come and do it.
37:32Very simply,
37:33with theft lie detector,
37:34we asked Kirstie,
37:34did you steal the money in question
37:35that went missing
37:36from your mother's handbag?
37:37You said no.
37:38Why did she say no?
37:39Because I was telling the truth.
37:39Of course she was telling the truth,
37:40thank you for your honor.
37:45Also,
37:46lie detector,
37:47theft lie detector,
37:48also,
37:48were you involved?
37:49Do you know for sure
37:50who stole that money in question
37:51that went missing
37:52from your mother's handbag?
37:53Kirstie said no.
37:54Your sister was telling the truth
37:55on both questions.
37:56Thank you, my darling.
37:57Oh, good.
37:58Just an imminent thing.
38:00Oh, good.
38:02Why are you still arguing?
38:03You accused her.
38:04She shouted all the time, mate.
38:06All the time.
38:07No, when she passed her test,
38:08she was like,
38:08Luke cares the case.
38:09Because why are you right,
38:10wouldn't you?
38:11You'd accused her.
38:12I was right as well.
38:14We were both right.
38:15Did you nick the money?
38:16No.
38:18Did you steal the money in question
38:20that went missing
38:20from your mother's handbag,
38:21we asked Jack?
38:22He said no.
38:22Why did you say no?
38:23Telling the truth.
38:24He was telling the truth as well.
38:25Yeah.
38:28So what is that all about?
38:29We all tell him.
38:31What is that about?
38:32I said this to you the other day.
38:34You passed both questions.
38:35Give him a round of things.
38:36Here's the thing, right?
38:40I am not having a go at your sister,
38:42but I'm going to tell you man to man.
38:43And if you don't listen to me,
38:45you will mess this up, right?
38:47Whether she...
38:48She don't like her,
38:49for whatever reason,
38:51time to be a man,
38:52defend your girlfriend.
38:53She's been on national television.
38:54She's proven she's not a tea leaf.
38:56I know you get Phil stuck in the middle.
38:58If you love this girl,
38:59you want to tell her to keep her...
39:00You know what?
39:01That's his girlfriend, love.
39:02What's that all about?
39:04No, no, no.
39:05You're a bit of a drama queen, you are.
39:08You don't like it, man.
39:09She was the one that was all emotional on the stage at first.
39:11Stand up for your girlfriend, mate.
39:11It's about time.
39:12She's done it again.
39:13You're going to have to stay out.
39:15You're going to have to stay out.
39:15Stay out with any business.
39:17Stay out.
39:18Just leave it now.
39:19Ashley, I am deeply sorry for accusing you,
39:21but you accuse me as well.
39:22You stood up straight away,
39:23hugged me,
39:24and said,
39:24I am so sorry.
39:26You said,
39:27oh, you've done this about me family.
39:28You've been dead.
39:29Yeah, well, you've been dead.
39:30Yeah, but if you ever have,
39:32being a threat of family,
39:33just don't do it in the future.
39:33Everyone needs to carry on.
39:35Have we treated you by one of the worst?
39:36Yeah, and I have not...
39:37Can we not end this nicely?
39:38Nobody nicked the money,
39:40but you've got to stand up for your girlfriend.
39:42I mean, I mean, I'm...
39:43No more than that.
39:45How can you do it?
39:46Stop being a mummy,
39:46daddies and sisters and brothers boy
39:48and be her boy
39:49and stand up and say,
39:50don't talk to my girlfriend like that
39:51and stop complaining to them about her
39:54because that colours their mind, doesn't it?
39:56Yeah, just a bit, yeah.
39:57Do you live in the house with them all?
39:58Yeah.
39:58Get your own place, mate.
40:00That would be the best advice.
40:01Listen, can I just stop you there, mate?
40:03I've got the money to buy a house.
40:05Go and do it.
40:05But I can't find one at the moment.
40:07Couldn't fussy.
40:07I'd buy a tent if I was you
40:09to get away from all of this.
40:10Nobody tell...
40:11Nobody nicking the money, right?
40:13That's a good thing.
40:14Go off together.
40:14Get out of here.
40:15Give them a round of applause.
40:17Thank you very much.
40:19Right after this break,
40:21more lie detector results.
40:22We're right back.
40:23Don't go anywhere.
40:24We asked Peter to steal the money
40:25that went missing from Declan's wallet.
40:27He said no.
40:28Why don't you say no?
40:28You with any person in the house?
40:3221 years, brought up in care of...
40:43Thank you very much for being here and welcome back.
40:44Right, my next guest today,
40:45Declan is here as he is desperate
40:47to find out if stepbrother Peter
40:48has stolen from him.
40:49And Declan says that Pete
40:50was the only one in the house
40:51when the money went missing
40:52and says that if he fails the test,
40:54he'll ban him from the house.
40:56He'll never speak to him again.
40:57In strong words,
40:58Declan's next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
41:06Very nice to meet you.
41:07Thanks for coming on.
41:09This is your stepbrother.
41:10I've said this before.
41:12Somehow, I mean,
41:13any theft is disgusting and wrong.
41:14Somehow, if it's somebody close to you,
41:16crossing that sort of line,
41:17it's a horrible thought.
41:19I was impressed with your notes
41:20because you said,
41:2140 good of my wages
41:22went missing from my wallet.
41:23It's not the money,
41:24it's the principle.
41:25Me and Peter
41:25were the only people in the house.
41:26Tell me when it happened, pal.
41:28It was about two weeks ago.
41:30He always comes round
41:31because I help him out
41:32and he helps me out
41:32and my mum's not there.
41:33You're close, aren't you?
41:34Yeah, we're really close.
41:36He's my stepbrother,
41:37but he's like my proper brother.
41:38That's nice.
41:39He's 23, you're 18.
41:41Yeah.
41:42We were having a few drinks
41:44at Mindplane on PlayStation
41:46and I went to the toilet.
41:48I came back down
41:48and we ordered some food
41:50and then when I went to pay,
41:52I was checking my money
41:53and I was £40 down.
41:55You confronted him.
41:56What did he say?
41:56It would be one of the most gutting things
41:58that could ever happen to me
41:59and also,
42:00bear in mind as well,
42:01easy for us to sit and watch this
42:02but when you have that feeling
42:03in your gut
42:04and you have to come here
42:04and you have to accuse somebody,
42:05that's not nice, is it?
42:06No.
42:07What are you going to do if he fails?
42:09I don't want him in my house.
42:11What if he's passed?
42:13I apologise to him.
42:14At the moment,
42:15in the last two weeks,
42:16the relationship is nowhere.
42:17He's in your stepbrother
42:18for three and a half years.
42:18He says,
42:20you're my family, bud,
42:21and I would never do this.
42:23Is he...
42:24Is he telling the truth?
42:25Peter's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
42:33Peter, you all right?
42:34I'm not too bad yourself.
42:35What's it like being accused?
42:37It's horrible,
42:37especially from my own brother,
42:38do you know what I mean?
42:40I work hard,
42:41I pay my old tax,
42:41my national insurance.
42:43That's excellent.
42:43Do you know what I mean?
42:44Operation...
42:44I'm joking.
42:46Did you phone the show
42:47or did he ring?
42:47I rang it myself.
42:49Plenty of people do that
42:50and then fail.
42:50I don't blame him for asking me
42:52but I'm quite hurt
42:52that I'm the prime suspect.
42:54But you were the only person
42:54in the house?
42:55Yeah.
42:57Then how else did it go missing then?
42:59Did the fairies come
43:00and nick it out of his wallet?
43:01You sure you didn't nick it?
43:02100%.
43:03You've got a history of it?
43:04Years and years ago.
43:05Oh, you have stolen before,
43:06have you?
43:06Oh, shops and stuff, yeah.
43:08What's it done
43:08to your relationship, you two?
43:10It just drove us apart.
43:11It's a bit rocky, isn't it,
43:12at the moment,
43:13but I'm here to clear myself.
43:15And I want an apology off you
43:16and it obviously comes back.
43:19If I needed money,
43:20I would just ask him.
43:21Dex, my mate, he's my family.
43:22You don't do that to your own.
43:25How many people in this room
43:26think that Peter
43:27is going to pass
43:28this lie detector test?
43:30How many people think
43:31Peter's going to fail
43:32this lie detector test?
43:33Thanks.
43:34More people in this room
43:36think you're going to fail
43:37than I'm going to pass.
43:38Declan says,
43:39if you have nicked the money,
43:40you've gone beyond the pale
43:42and that's the end
43:43of your friendship.
43:44Your end of being brothers,
43:45I imagine.
43:46Well, I expect to be wrong now.
43:49We asked Peter
43:50to steal the money
43:50that went missing
43:51from Declan's wallet.
43:52He said no.
43:53Why did you say no?
43:54You were any person
43:54in the house.
43:55Of course he was telling
43:56the truth.
44:01And also,
44:03just so we know,
44:04when we do
44:05theft lie detector,
44:06were you involved?
44:07Did you not know it?
44:08But do you know for sure
44:09who took the money?
44:10Did you set up the job
44:11that went missing
44:12from Declan's wallet?
44:13He said no.
44:14He answered correctly.
44:15He told the truth
44:16on both questions.
44:17Give him a round of applause.
44:23Who took the money then?
44:25I don't know.
44:25It was only me
44:25and Peter in the house.
44:27Fair play to you
44:27for coming and doing it.
44:28You're a happy man?
44:29Yeah, I'm on.
44:29You all right now?
44:30It's a mystery,
44:31but it wasn't your bro.
44:32Get out of here.
44:32Give him a round of applause.
44:36Good luck to them, Ryan.
44:37The next guest today,
44:38Sarah, is here
44:38to be reunited
44:39with her brother, Phil,
44:40who she's never met.
44:41Now, she says
44:42that meeting her brother
44:43in the flesh
44:44will be the biggest moment
44:45of her life
44:45and the best present
44:46before her birthday tomorrow.
44:48It's a massive,
44:49massive day
44:49for this girl.
44:50Sarah,
44:51give a round of applause
44:52on The Kyle Show.
44:52That way.
45:01This is slightly
45:02extraordinary,
45:03this story,
45:03because I...
45:05bless you.
45:07You and he
45:07are half-siblings.
45:10Meeting him today
45:11will be the first...
45:13Me and the world,
45:13I mean,
45:14the world,
45:14and I've lived in...
45:15You grew up in care?
45:17Yeah.
45:17She had sort of
45:18rumours about
45:19who would be out there
45:20and you knew
45:20and you knew about
45:21this half-brother
45:21and you found him.
45:22Now,
45:23a private DNA test
45:24confirmed that
45:25you were related...
45:26It was half-siblings.
45:28And today's the first time
45:29you're going to meet him.
45:30Can you...
45:3121...
45:32Yeah,
45:33that's the reality.
45:34We all sit there
45:34and we go...
45:36But...
45:36I just can't believe
45:37it's happening.
45:38It means so much.
45:39So it does,
45:40so...
45:41You always felt lonely?
45:43Aye.
45:44And this...
45:44I've been the only child
45:45and I've always wanted
45:46a big brother
45:46and now it's just happening.
45:48You said to the team,
45:49I'm excited but I'm nervous.
45:50I'm scared but I'm emotional.
45:52It's everything, isn't it?
45:54Right.
45:54It's all mixed feelings
45:55all in one.
45:56If we can put people together
45:57who for whatever reason
45:58haven't been together
45:59then that I think
46:02is tremendous.
46:04You okay?
46:05Mm-hmm.
46:0621 years,
46:07brought up in care
46:08as an only kid on her own,
46:09no family,
46:10about to meet her
46:11half-brother.
46:11The only family
46:12she's ever had.
46:13He has kids,
46:14she'll be an auntie.
46:16Phil's on the
46:16Jeremy Kyle show
46:17that way.
46:17You all right?
46:37You all right?
46:39How are you?
46:40Not too bad,
46:41good to meet you.
46:42Nice to meet you.
46:42What's that like?
46:45Shocking.
46:48What's cancerous?
46:49Thrilling.
46:50You didn't know she existed
46:51until a while ago
46:53she got in touch.
46:54She thought it was a scam.
46:55You say we've been chatting,
46:57we've never been able to meet.
46:58It's a good night.
46:59Oh, yeah.
47:00Oh, yeah, like,
47:01me being all the way down
47:02in Devon
47:03and Sarah being all the way
47:04up in Scotland.
47:05That's quite a long way.
47:06Yes.
47:07How many kids?
47:09Two.
47:09Well, one and a half,
47:10like,
47:11the eldest is my stepson.
47:12Your partner Zoe,
47:14where's Zoe?
47:14Do you want to come down?
47:15No.
47:16What do you mean,
47:16no?
47:17Get down here.
47:18Give her a round of applause.
47:27What does this mean to him?
47:30A lot.
47:31Because we felt more sorry for Sarah
47:35because she's never had a family
47:38and we wanted to see her.
47:42There are so many kids in care
47:45from fractured families
47:47and I've said this
47:48since we started this show.
47:50I love it because
47:51if we can put you back together,
47:52it's brilliant.
47:53And as I always said to you,
47:55make the most of this.
47:56Don't let each other go again
47:58and I'm really, really pleased
47:59just quickly
47:59that we can put this together.
48:00You all right?
48:02If it wasn't for you
48:02and your prejudices
48:04then I wouldn't have
48:04been able to meet him.
48:06Listen, it doesn't matter.
48:07It's a pleasure.
48:07Now, if you get backstage
48:08and you say to Graham,
48:09where's the celebration
48:11sandwiches and cakes
48:12because he's been baking
48:13in the pod all morning.
48:16Honestly, hasn't he?
48:16He's been baking brownies
48:17and everything.
48:19So he's laying on a spread
48:20and you're going to
48:21meet your niece as well.
48:22Graham, get the food ready.
48:23Give him a round of applause.
48:24Get out of here.
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