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00:00On today's show...
00:02Is that her? That's Cara.
00:04This is D-Day.
00:06It is. I can't do it no more.
00:07And she needs to get herself sorted.
00:11Tell me as a mother why you're here.
00:13I'm here so I don't bury her.
00:15Because that's the road she's going.
00:17And it won't be long before she's in the box.
00:20Whereabouts is she? She's that way.
00:22Just come with me if you can later.
00:25I'm not going away!
00:27Come here. Come here.
00:28Kerry, I want to get your side of it.
00:33Come on. Come on.
00:34I've heard you lie already.
00:35The missing answer on me.
00:36The missing answer on me.
00:39Three days a week after your face.
00:42Yeah, the missing answer on me.
00:44Tell my team if I don't have drugs,
00:46I'll sleep for days.
00:47What sort of mother are you?
00:49You're gonna die.
00:50We're burying you next year if you don't wake up.
00:53You're dead to me.
00:54What do you think?
00:55Don't you like a bit of a home treat?
00:56I'm not gonna die.
00:57I'm not gonna die.
00:58I'm not gonna die.
00:59I'm not gonna die.
01:12I'm not gonna die.
01:41I'm not gonna die.
02:01I'm not gonna die.
02:08I'm not gonna die.
02:11I'm not gonna die.
02:12No, I'm not gonna die.
02:15I'm not gonna die.
02:15Welcome to the show. The thing is, I have to be really honest, a lot of people, you know, they
02:20contact this show, they speak to the researchers and they come out there and they really don't perhaps ever get
02:24to say entirely what they want to say.
02:26My team told me this morning, this lady's got it all to say. This is D-Day for you, isn't
02:31it?
02:32It is, yeah.
02:33Let's just talk about this daughter, Kerry, specifically the last six years, but how she ended up, how she started
02:38off. Give us a story, darling.
02:39She was pregnant six years ago and she had to terminate her own child because the child had got no
02:47kidneys and she was living off Kerra.
02:51And they told her she would have to go full term and the baby would die or terminate the pregnancy
02:57at 20 weeks.
02:58We didn't know what Kerry was going to do until we got to the doctors and Kerry chose to terminate
03:05the pregnancy and we watched the baby die on screen.
03:09And it's all gone out of control since then.
03:12How many kids has she got today?
03:13Six.
03:14I want you to bear that in mind, six kids. In your words and in everybody who's spoken to me
03:18this morning, six years ago, this lady's life ran out of control, almost from the funeral.
03:24Yes.
03:25Tell me about now, today. What is she on? How is she behaving? What's she like?
03:29She's erratic all the time. We never see her. She goes out binging.
03:34What sort of drugs are we talking about?
03:38MCAT, cocaine, base. That's what I know.
03:42Have you seen her take them? Have you found her? I mean, I mentioned in the introduction of a drug
03:45den. Have you found her in that state?
03:47I did a few, four weeks ago.
03:49What's that like as a mum, finding your daughter off ahead of you?
03:52I drove past and I knew where she was.
03:55Why is she shouting and screaming and getting angry?
03:57Because she's going to have a go at me.
03:58Why?
03:58Am I?
03:59Am I?
04:00Yeah, you are.
04:00Because I might need to go around the sun there.
04:02Because I was like, I am.
04:04Shut up.
04:05No.
04:05So you've got two daughters there. You've got your daughter here, Kerry. She's an awful lot to say. But I
04:11want to hear from you. Because it is very easy. Let's get this absolutely straight. To come out here as
04:16a mother and defend her. But you said to my team, I don't care if these truths are unpalatable. I
04:22don't care if she doesn't like what I'm saying. This is what a mother has to do. Because this is
04:26D-Day.
04:27It is. I can't do it no more. And she needs to get herself sorted. I don't even think she
04:33realises what she's doing to herself and the family and her own children.
04:36In terms of the kids, I mean, I've read, you know, she'll stay up for three days taking cocaine. You've
04:40had to take out an insurance policy on your own daughter's funeral. What happens then when she's off her face?
04:45What happens to her six kids?
04:48The father of the little ones, he takes them. The older ones, flitting in and out to me.
04:55You know that incident six years ago, and we have to be very careful about this, but presumably she got
05:01an awful lot of support from people.
05:02No. She got no support. Nothing.
05:06Because I work in a pub, and sometimes, not on the day shift. When she's on the day shift, she
05:12works fine. She does a job perfect.
05:15But if she's on a bender on the night time and I'm not there, I believe that, yeah, she's had
05:18the odd drink at home.
05:20Tell me as a mother why you're here.
05:23I'm here so I don't bury her, because that's the road she's going, and it won't be long before she's
05:28in a box.
05:30And then I'll be left with her six children, not her.
05:33So today is about being cruel to be kind. Will you come with me, because she's out there for some
05:37reason.
05:37Let's just come with me. Whereabouts is she? Is she that way?
05:40Just come with me if you can, Leita. Can you come with me, darling? Where are you?
05:43Here.
05:44Come on, love. I don't know why. It's the old thing, isn't it? Doesn't want to face up to the
05:47facts.
05:50Kerry, what are you running for?
05:52It's a train or not.
05:53How are you? How are you? Why are you running?
05:55Come on.
05:55Go away.
05:56No, I'm not going away.
05:57Go away.
05:58It's your mother.
05:59Kerry, come on.
06:00She's concerned about you.
06:01Go away. I'm only talking.
06:03Kerry, there's no man away.
06:04I need you to talk to me.
06:05Kerry, come here. Come here.
06:07Kerry, I want to get your side of it.
06:10Get on. Get on.
06:11No, because I've heard you lie already.
06:13What have I lied about?
06:13I'm not doing it now.
06:14Look at me.
06:15Look at me.
06:17I understand what I was told six years ago, right?
06:20You have six children.
06:22By anybody's standards, MCAT, amphetamine, cocaine.
06:24You're on those drugs on an irregular, irregular basis.
06:27At that point, answer me this.
06:28Hand on heart.
06:29Irrespective of what she might say.
06:31At that moment, you can't look after your kids.
06:34Whatever you went through, they are watching their mother ruin her life with drugs.
06:38That's what she's trying to get sorted today, love.
06:41What about Tanish, your eldest is here today.
06:43She says, I had to move out of my mother's house because I was doing her job because she
06:48was too busy off her face on drugs.
06:50You've got to understand where we're coming from.
06:52And the minute she says anything, and even she's backtracked, she's scared to tell you
06:56what she thinks.
06:57Tell her.
06:57I'm not scared, no.
06:59She knows what I think.
07:01What do you want your family to do then?
07:02I don't want my family...
07:03They say you steal from them to fund your drug habit.
07:07Do you do that?
07:08Look at my bank accounts.
07:10I've got plenty of money.
07:10How do you buy your drugs then?
07:11Plenty of my money.
07:13I work.
07:13Why don't you spend that money on your kids?
07:14I do.
07:15Well, you can't do.
07:16Yes, I do.
07:17Yes, I do.
07:18They get everything.
07:19Apparently, your daughters do.
07:20Your shifts at work.
07:21Is that true?
07:21Yes, I'm on the set.
07:22Why are you on the set?
07:23Because you take drugs.
07:24She probably on the set.
07:25Because you're taking drugs.
07:26Yeah.
07:26I'm trying to get you to understand whether you like it or not.
07:33How much do you spend a week on drugs?
07:35Me, probably on Japan.
07:37Where did you get that from?
07:38More than that.
07:39Come on.
07:40That money could be in your children's bellies.
07:44No, it's your children's bellies.
07:47They're not missing out.
07:48They never miss a meal.
07:49They're never doing that.
07:50This is what you've got to do.
07:51Are your grandchildren missing out?
07:53That's what I want to know.
07:55They're missing out on me.
07:55They're missing out on you.
07:57Yes, on me.
07:58You told my child.
07:58You're out three days a week, off your face.
08:00Yeah, they missed out on me.
08:01And then you won't do anything else.
08:03So, my team, if I don't have drugs, I'll sleep for days.
08:06What sort of mother are you?
08:08That's what I want you to try and think about.
08:10No, I'll...
08:11No, no, no.
08:12Shh.
08:13Then that's why we're here, aren't we?
08:15You're not.
08:15Stop it.
08:16Just calm down.
08:17Just get off now.
08:17Calm down.
08:18Why did you come here today?
08:19Why did you come here today?
08:21Answer me that.
08:22Why did you come here today?
08:23For me and my kids.
08:25Because you know that this is it.
08:27I told my team.
08:28I told my team that you feel like the black sheep of the family.
08:31You feel like you've always been ostracized and thrown out.
08:33After this break, we've got your sisters.
08:35We've got your eldest daughter.
08:37We have to get to the bottom of this.
08:38Look at me.
08:39This is easy for me because I don't know you.
08:41Your family are having to be cruel to be kind.
08:43They say we see a woman who, yes, went through this tragic incident six years ago, but is
08:48in fact ruining her life and will end up losing her kids.
08:50I'm back after this break.
08:51Come with me, both of you.
08:52I've not taught you to the doctors, Ed.
08:54I've not paid for private consultation for you, Ed.
08:57I've not done anything for you, have I?
08:59You're going to die.
09:00We're burying you next year if you don't wake up any more.
09:03You're dead today.
09:04Get out.
09:05Get off.
09:06Get off.
09:06Don't you like a big home true to the smack rat?
09:20Hello.
09:21Journey car.
09:22Hello.
09:23Come with me.
09:24Get your leg up.
09:25Get yourself sat up straight.
09:29Come on there, big boy.
09:31I've waited all morning for this.
09:34Bring it on.
09:36That's such a mad function.
09:40Sorry, Jeremy.
09:45I don't know that.
09:48Why do you keep running off?
09:54You're supposed to go, it's all right, Jez.
09:56Get out there, darling.
10:00Shut up.
10:01Where are you going now?
10:03Go for a breather a minute.
10:05You're going to run, mate.
10:09Do you suspect that someone in the family has stolen from you?
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10:43Thank you very much indeed.
10:45Welcome back.
10:45Do you want to sort this?
10:46Are you happy where you're at?
10:49Stage, both of you, with me.
10:50I'm a busy man.
10:51Come on, now.
10:53This way.
10:54Come on.
10:57You have got to be honest with your daughter.
10:59Give them a round of applause.
11:00They're back.
11:00Come this way.
11:01Come here.
11:03On stage.
11:07Who's Tammy, by the way?
11:09Who's Tammy?
11:11Carrie's sister.
11:11Let's get Tammy on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
11:21Tammy, do me a favour.
11:22I know it's difficult because I've done this many times before.
11:26But what happens, as I said at the beginning, is people have a lot to say and then they don't
11:30speak.
11:30Your mother seems to be pulling backwards from what she wants to say because she doesn't want to offend your
11:34sister.
11:34What's the reality of her life in your eyes?
11:38I don't even like to look at it anymore.
11:40She hasn't been there.
11:41She's not even in my life.
11:42Don't even know why she's there.
11:44No, I don't know why she's there.
11:45Let me just ask you this.
11:46Carrie, do you want to see it?
11:48She punched me in the face.
11:49Oh, right.
11:50How the time before that she's seen that?
11:51Oh, that will be in the storyline where I also had dinner with Presley, yeah?
11:55You told my team, Sammy, Carrie's supposed to be the oldest of the siblings.
11:59She's supposed to be the one that we look up to.
12:00She was that one up until probably six years ago.
12:03Tell your sister.
12:04Up until about six years ago.
12:05Yeah, because my daughter died.
12:06I wonder why.
12:06And then none of you bothered with that.
12:08I am sure in this life there's many people.
12:10No, you are.
12:11One at a time.
12:11I've not taught you to the doctors, Ed.
12:13I've not paid for private consultation for all your days.
12:15I've not done anything before you ever have.
12:17Oh, shut up.
12:18Hold on a minute.
12:18After I get back.
12:20After I get back.
12:21After I get back.
12:22When are you left in the hospital?
12:23You are the only one in this life that is suffering a loss.
12:27Everyone that suffers a loss goes to their little dark room and shoves that much of
12:31into their face to make it better.
12:33Get the one who's not even been in my life yet.
12:35Really?
12:36And where is that?
12:37Okay.
12:37Keep pushing around.
12:38She's always at the end of the time.
12:39Where was you boxing Christmas Eve morning when I brought a hamper around for your Christmas
12:43family to give you was comatose on your settee?
12:47Oh, I'm sorry.
12:48I didn't know you were doing Christmas settees this year.
12:50This was Christmas Eve.
12:51Day 4 Christmas Eve.
12:52I was going to say it wasn't Christmas Eve because Christmas Eve, I cleaned my whole
12:55house.
12:56I'm not worried about what day was, Kerry.
12:58The particular is.
12:59She doesn't do anything.
12:59Oh, Kerry was a great mum.
13:02Kerry was a great mum.
13:03Hello?
13:03You're over here to get away from your kids for the night.
13:06Kerry, that's a good spike.
13:07Do you know what Tammy said to me?
13:09She said, I can't believe that Kerry's survived this year without dying.
13:12She used to be a great mum.
13:13She would fight for her kids.
13:14That has changed.
13:16I'm still a good mum.
13:16Yeah, but you see, I get it.
13:17I'm still a good mum.
13:18Hear me out.
13:18How can you be if you're off your face?
13:21I'm still a good mum.
13:21Then why the hell is your 19-year-old here today saying she moved out because you're a druggie?
13:25I'm still a good mum.
13:26Oh, come on.
13:26Do you want to be the same person this time next year?
13:28Do you want to be the same person next year?
13:32Do you think your kids aren't aware of what you're doing?
13:34Yes, I'm not.
13:35And you're calling yourself a good mother?
13:37You don't think he's destroying them.
13:38Your eldest children have seen you doing lines of cocaine, yes or no?
13:41I've seen you do it when I was a kid.
13:44Is that true?
13:45Yeah.
13:45Smoked to Ouija, that's it.
13:47No.
13:48Yes!
13:48I have never done anything!
13:50We're not deflecting this.
13:51I didn't nearly die of it.
13:53It must be where you're going.
13:54You're going to die.
13:55We're burying you next year if you don't wake up anyone.
13:58You're dead to me now.
14:00You're dead to me now anyway, sir.
14:02Get off.
14:03Get off.
14:04Get off.
14:04I'm leaving.
14:05Don't be like a bit of her in the room.
14:06She's a smack rat.
14:07Yes!
14:09Yes!
14:10Yes!
14:11Yes!
14:12Yes!
14:13Don't get off.
14:14Don't get off.
14:15Don't get off!
14:18Don't get off!
14:19Sit there.
14:20Calling her a smack rat isn't going to help, is it?
14:24I'm here with you now, both.
14:26You and me.
14:26You OK?
14:27Look at me.
14:28Look at me.
14:29Look at me.
14:30Calm down.
14:30Listen to me.
14:31Look at me.
14:32Look at me.
14:33Look at me.
14:33Look at me.
14:35Big deep breaths.
14:36Why don't you come here today?
14:37because I want a change for me and my kids.
14:40I want to stop all there.
14:42I want to wake up in the morning and be able to cook pancakes
14:43with my kids' breakfast like I used to.
14:46I want to see them smile.
14:47I've never took my four-year-old to the park.
14:51Didn't there something?
14:52Didn't there something?
14:53Shouting stops?
14:54Believe that.
14:57I just don't know how to stop.
14:59I don't know how it's not so bad.
15:00That's why you're in the right place,
15:01but I've got to tell you one thing I have to do.
15:03Always done it the same way.
15:04Stu's here, Graham's here, look at me.
15:07Sometimes, and I think Graham would back me up,
15:10people feel really strongly about a family member or a loved one.
15:13And the only way that they can conceive
15:16to make that person see the truth
15:19is to say things that might be hurtful.
15:21But, darling, I tried it out there and you didn't like it.
15:23The fact is, six years ago, something terrible happened,
15:26your life spiralled out of control.
15:28If you are not able to do what you want,
15:31and if I believe in my guts, which I do,
15:34that you want to do something about this,
15:35there's only one way to do this, darling,
15:37and that's to face up to what that drug addiction has done,
15:41how that's made you behave,
15:43and the limitations that's put on you as a mother, right?
15:46Yeah.
15:46This isn't about them being the golden girls.
15:49I'm sure they've made mistakes,
15:50and I apologise for the phrase that she made.
15:52I don't apologise for the fact that you went for her.
15:54I don't condone that in any way on this show.
15:56Look at me.
15:57I believe deep down inside there's more to you
15:59than probably most people believe there is,
16:01so we're going out there and we're going to do it decently.
16:03I can't...
16:04Do you know why you're going out there?
16:05Look at me.
16:05No.
16:05Cos there's two reasons.
16:06One, cos they don't think you will,
16:08and two, because you love your kids
16:09and you know I'm going to change your life.
16:11Come with me.
16:11Come here.
16:12And keep your mouth shut.
16:13Come here.
16:13No, no, no, no.
16:14You are better.
16:15Look at me.
16:16You are better than this.
16:17You are better.
16:18Do it for your daughter.
16:19She's watching.
16:19Look at me.
16:20Denise is here, OK?
16:21Do you understand what I'm saying?
16:22Do you understand what I'm saying?
16:23Yes or no?
16:24Yes.
16:25Promise me.
16:26Yes.
16:26Do you know?
16:34Let me tell you something.
16:38Being made to face up to the truth
16:39is never easy by anybody,
16:40and there is nobody in this audience
16:41and nobody on this stage,
16:42including myself,
16:43that couldn't have certain parts of their lives
16:45ripped to shreds, OK?
16:46We're going to do this in the right way.
16:47What's your name?
16:48Donna.
16:48What do you want to say?
16:49You're a sister as well.
16:51Exactly.
16:51I'm your sister.
16:52You know, you make out like
16:53we've not been there for you.
16:55How can you...
16:56I want you to look in my eyes
16:58and tell me I've not been there for you.
17:00None of you have all been there for us.
17:00Not been there for you.
17:02Who's done the midnight,
17:03late night drives?
17:03Is that the three of you there?
17:04Happier times, is it?
17:06Donna?
17:07No, I'm on about the late night drives.
17:09In the middle of the night,
17:10coming down trying to help you,
17:11trying to sort you out,
17:12trying to calm everything down.
17:13You know, who's the one
17:14who you're ringing at 2 o'clock in the morning
17:16for three hours
17:17when I've got to get my kids
17:18off of school in the morning?
17:19Don't you ever tell me
17:22How about the last few years, Karen?
17:24Yeah, you've come down for the kids.
17:25My phone just come down for...
17:27...speaks to you on the phone for three hours
17:28to bring you down when you're on.
17:31I've been phoned you to come down.
17:32Your kids have.
17:33Yeah.
17:34But your phone calls,
17:35you ring me
17:36and you ask to speak to me
17:37and you do speak to me
17:39and you always calm down.
17:40Yeah, I phoned you.
17:41When do you phoned me?
17:42Come on.
17:42When do you...
17:43No, when do you phoned me?
17:44So, how many messages
17:45have I ever sent you?
17:47Right?
17:47How many phone calls
17:48and then I'll find out
17:49that you've got no phone
17:50because you've smashed it
17:51around the house
17:52because someone rang you
17:53and said something
17:54that you did not like.
17:55Well, that's a bit of a lie
17:56because I didn't smash it in the house.
17:56You know what?
17:56I can't just,
17:58at the spur of the moment,
17:59drop off at your house.
18:00I have a life as well.
18:01What has happened to your sister, Donna?
18:03Donna, in the years...
18:03Don't even want anything
18:04from any of you.
18:05Donna, from that picture,
18:06what's happened to your sister?
18:07There's no doubt
18:08what happened to her six years ago
18:09was a tragedy,
18:10but what has happened to her
18:11with drugs?
18:12She's been consumed by them.
18:13She's gone.
18:14She's not the same.
18:15So, why hasn't one of you three
18:16on this stage
18:16done something about this
18:17in the last six years?
18:18We've done approximately
18:2012 appointments
18:21through services,
18:23you know,
18:24with the...
18:25GP,
18:26counselling services,
18:27GPs, everything.
18:28Why haven't you done something
18:28about it in the last six years?
18:29She hasn't done something.
18:30I've done them all.
18:31No, I've done them all.
18:31Why are you still here?
18:32I've asked you.
18:34I've asked you.
18:34Yeah, you...
18:34I'm the one who asked you
18:36to make me a point.
18:37It's me.
18:37You never do it.
18:38You never do it.
18:39Yeah, but you...
18:40I do it.
18:41I do it.
18:42I never do it.
18:44You never do it.
18:44I take you.
18:45Because I'll ask you to.
18:47Because I ask you to.
18:48Don't lie.
18:49Don't lie.
18:50Excuse me.
18:51Jeremy, can I say something
18:53to you before you slag
18:54everybody else again?
18:55And I said I'd be
18:55very reasonable to you.
18:56Do you think that
18:57if you use the same energy
18:59and commitment
18:59to actually making
19:01an appointment
19:02at your GP surgery
19:03as you do
19:04to go and score drugs
19:05on a regular basis,
19:07do you think you might
19:07have been more successful?
19:08You know what?
19:09You know the last couple
19:10of months, right?
19:10I phoned people.
19:12I'll tell you what,
19:12I should have brought
19:13all the paper out of that.
19:13Who phoned this show?
19:14My mum did.
19:15Because I phoned my mum.
19:16Why didn't you ring this show?
19:18Because I'm a wimp.
19:21You're scared?
19:22Yeah.
19:22She is scared.
19:23Why?
19:24Why?
19:25You know what?
19:25You know if I stop
19:26taking drugs,
19:27I'm going to die anyway
19:28because that baby
19:29never agreed for anything.
19:31And if it was bad enough,
19:32then I've got to relive it all again.
19:34I've got to go through it all again.
19:36So you blot it out with drugs?
19:37Yeah.
19:38There's no doubt
19:39you didn't grieve
19:40six years ago.
19:41Answer me one thing.
19:43Why didn't you get the chance
19:44to get help then?
19:46Why didn't you go to your family?
19:49I did.
19:50You told my team
19:50they weren't there for you.
19:51I went to them.
19:52No one was proper
19:53when I'm buried.
19:54I don't know.
19:54Everyone just left me
19:55to deal with it on my own.
19:56Terry, I was there with you
19:57every step of the way.
19:58No, no.
19:59I was there.
19:59Through the baby nose.
20:00I'm talking.
20:01Oh, get on with it then.
20:03Yeah.
20:04She was there through the baby.
20:05Through terminating off.
20:07Through all that.
20:08But as soon as we're over,
20:10that were it.
20:11We sent you to Dr Ghosh,
20:12didn't we?
20:13Yeah.
20:13You turn around
20:14and you look at what he says
20:15about what you've done
20:17to yourself physically.
20:18Have a look at this.
20:19So I've just seen
20:20Kerry in the clinic today.
20:21Now, Kerry's 38 years old
20:23and has been using
20:24cocaine and amphetamines
20:25as well as MCAT
20:27for the last six years.
20:28She's using this
20:29on a daily basis
20:30and we're starting to see
20:31the chronic signs
20:32of a long-term drug user.
20:35On examination,
20:36Kerry has a post-sinal drip
20:38which means her nose
20:39is getting chronically congested.
20:40You can see the residue
20:42of actually the cocaine itself
20:43which is still being left
20:44in her nose.
20:45This is actually
20:46rotting her face
20:47and has caused a hole
20:49in her nose
20:49which means that
20:50she's not able to breathe
20:51and she's left
20:52with chronic sinus infections.
20:55Worse than that.
20:56Kerry's now getting
20:57from her breathing
20:58and with her heart
20:59and she's not even aware
21:00that this is what's happening.
21:01She come to my house.
21:03You know what she told my kids?
21:04Come here.
21:06Tell them what you did to my kids.
21:10Come on.
21:11You want that everything to come out?
21:13Tell them what you did.
21:13Your daughter,
21:14your 19-year-old daughter
21:15is that upset
21:16she's ran backstage.
21:18Right.
21:19That's what this is about.
21:20There's your 19-year-old
21:21kid with Graham, right?
21:23Go on.
21:23Tell them what you did.
21:24What did I do?
21:25Tell them what you did
21:25when you come down my house
21:26one night.
21:27One night.
21:28Come on.
21:28Tell them what you did
21:29to my kids, Donna.
21:30What does she do?
21:31What did I do?
21:32Tell them what you did
21:34to see some shit in the kitchen
21:35what you got
21:35and what you did to them.
21:36Oh!
21:37I don't know what you mean.
21:38You mean like
21:38where I lost
21:39five hours of my life
21:40and I was basically
21:41going to my toes
21:42walking the streets
21:43because I saw
21:43and you're shit there.
21:45Stop it.
21:46I didn't even know
21:47where I was.
21:48That's an excuse.
21:50I don't care.
21:51I forget you.
21:51Can I ask you a question?
21:57Can I ask you a question?
21:59What does this girl
22:00mean to you?
22:01The world.
22:02The girl who moved
22:03out of your house
22:04because she cannot bear,
22:06I'm being completely serious,
22:07seeing a mother so high on drugs
22:09that she has to do everything,
22:11right?
22:11That is what this is about
22:13and about you getting sorted.
22:14We are going to go back
22:15to her during this break.
22:16That way.
22:17Give them a round of applause.
22:18We're going to the break.
22:19Come with me.
22:19Come with me now.
22:21You're not going to stop
22:22taking notes.
22:23No, I probably won't.
22:23Why not?
22:24I don't know how.
22:25I don't know how.
22:26I don't know how to.
22:27Well, I will show you how.
22:35No.
22:36No, because there's no one
22:37to have to...
22:38Yes, no.
22:39Get off me.
22:39Get off me.
22:41Go away.
22:43All three, go.
22:45No.
22:46No, I'm not going.
22:48No, I'm not going.
23:06Please tell me there's nobody else in the frame.
23:09There is nobody else.
23:10The DNA test results show that Doug is not the child's biological father.
23:15How come up, bitch?
23:18Why are you 100% sure?
23:20Keith's not got very good swimming.
23:24How sure are you?
23:26100%.
23:27100%.
23:28100%.
23:29I am 1000% sure she's not my daughter.
23:34Keith is the father of your baby.
23:36Thank you!
23:37You're not the child's biological father.
23:39She's away!
23:40She's away!
23:40She's away!
23:43You are her father.
23:45You are her father.
23:46You are her father.
23:48You get too much!
23:50It's not your baby, my friend.
23:53That is your daughter!
23:56You might know he's done that yet!
23:58He needs loving by both parents.
24:03Every child should know who it's father is.
24:05Bye, bye, bye, bye!
24:07Bye!
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24:47Thank you very much for the email.
24:48Let me get this through.
24:49I say to everybody we need to go and find her daughter.
24:52You three here and she's done one.
24:53Why would she do one?
24:54This is about her and her daughter and her daughter's backstage in a right state.
24:57You would think, wouldn't you, that you would want to get this sorted.
25:00Why do you keep running off?
25:02Your daughter is backstage.
25:04I don't give monkeys really about what you and your pair, your mum and your sisters are going to fight
25:09about.
25:10It's about Tenise.
25:11Do you not want to see Tenise?
25:12Yeah.
25:13Then come with me and stop doing one.
25:14I'm a busy man.
25:15We'll go this way.
25:16And you three go the other way and we might meet in the middle.
25:19Come on.
25:21I'm only trying to help here.
25:23You know, right?
25:24Look at this.
25:25Listen to this.
25:26It doesn't matter what they say because you're taking drugs.
25:29And I tried to say in there, be the bigger person.
25:32Forget the barbs.
25:33They're not perfect.
25:33They've made mistakes.
25:34But this is about you getting straight today.
25:36And it will only work if you get your brain in gear.
25:39Do you understand?
25:40Because you ain't going to get any better chance ever.
25:45Trust me.
25:47She's down here, I think.
25:50Are they coming?
25:55Tenise, nice to meet you. How are you?
25:57No.
25:58Yes, no.
25:59Why can't you come here and talk to your daughter?
26:01Move then.
26:02What do you mean move?
26:03Sit at home.
26:04No.
26:04Sit there.
26:05No.
26:06We'll sit here.
26:09We're not going to have an argument.
26:11Not on you trying to get clean or apologise to your daughter or face up you about who's
26:14going to sit where, yeah?
26:15I'm just not saying in the middle.
26:16No.
26:17The truth.
26:17I know it's difficult.
26:18I appreciate you being here.
26:19I'm trying to make her see the reality of her existence so we can help her.
26:24You just need to sort yourself out.
26:25What's life like?
26:26Stop taking the drugs.
26:27Be a mum again.
26:27I know.
26:28It feels like I've lost you.
26:30You're not the same.
26:31I know.
26:32You ain't the mum you used to be.
26:35What's it like?
26:36It's horrible.
26:37Is that why you moved out?
26:39Yeah.
26:39Because I was being the mum and I shouldn't have to be because she's the one who gave birth
26:42to them.
26:43They're her kids.
26:43Tell me out there that you were a great mum and my kids aren't affected.
26:46There's a 19-year-old saying that they are affected and you're not a great mum.
26:49Forget your sisters and your mum.
26:51Answer your kid.
26:52Talk to her.
26:53No, she's all right.
26:54She doesn't do everything.
26:56It's not like I don't do anything.
26:57I do get up.
26:58I do do...
26:59Do everything normal.
27:00Do the cooking.
27:01Do the cleaning.
27:02Yeah, but that's probably like months out of the week.
27:05Well, you ain't been there for months.
27:06Yeah, I've not been there for three weeks because I couldn't take it.
27:09Three weeks?
27:09No, you haven't been there for months.
27:10You haven't moved out a while ago.
27:12It was about three or four weeks ago.
27:13No, you were saying that a lot before then.
27:15Yeah, because I couldn't take it no more.
27:17Yeah, exactly.
27:17Because when I was there, it wasn't me not taking the kids' school.
27:21Cleaning the house, cooking the dinner.
27:23Kerry, the hardest thing in the world on this show is for people to realise what's going
27:26on.
27:26And this all gets bogged down with your sisters that you think are the golden girls and your
27:29mummy thinks, nobody would be here unless they loved you enough to try and make
27:33you realise that it's now or never.
27:35No, you're laughing, but darling, that's not the point.
27:38I told you in that pod.
27:39The way to prove that the golden girl's wrong, if that's what you think, is to change your
27:43life for you, but more importantly, your kids, isn't it?
27:46That's what I'm there for.
27:47Just me and my kids.
27:47That's it.
27:48I'm not bothered about nobody else.
27:48Me and my kids.
27:49Then why aren't you listening to her then?
27:51I am listening to her.
27:52Then why haven't you listened to her before?
27:54When she said it.
27:56Do you want to know something?
27:57Because she's never said it.
27:58Because you know what?
27:58Yeah.
27:59She has said to you.
28:00I'm not speaking to you.
28:01I'm speaking to you.
28:02I don't care.
28:03You're going to listen.
28:03She has said it to you in the past.
28:06Mom, you need to be a mom.
28:08And you've never answered that.
28:09And you've never done it.
28:10You've just carried on doing what you're doing.
28:13And we're about to come to this show to air all this out in public just to let everybody
28:18know.
28:19Just because we want the help.
28:20Why can't you?
28:21Because we want the help and the support for you.
28:23You want the help.
28:23And we want you to stand with how you used to be.
28:26You know what it is?
28:27It's all you, you, you.
28:28Really?
28:29You don't need it.
28:30I'm not all you, you, you.
28:31With my kids.
28:32That's it.
28:33Well, you're not getting there at the minutes, have you?
28:35You're not having it.
28:35You're not going to help your kids the way you're carrying on.
28:37Don't you get it?
28:38That's what we're trying to help you with.
28:40That's what we're not helping you with.
28:41Is that right?
28:42Is that right?
28:43You just need to accept the fact that you've changed.
28:45I know we are.
28:45You're not the same.
28:46Everybody's trying to help you.
28:47Who's trying to help you?
28:48I know you don't.
28:49I know you don't.
28:50They've tried to help you.
28:51I'm trying to help you.
28:52As long as you admit that your lifestyle is completely wrong.
28:55That you're taking too many drugs, spending too much money.
28:57You are not fulfilling your job as a mother.
28:59You were a great mother.
29:00Yeah, you are.
29:00And your life is in the toilet.
29:01I'm truly, truly sorry that you didn't get the help six years ago.
29:05It must have been terrible.
29:06And that will be part of the process if we can do anything.
29:08But, of course, when people criticise you, and Graham's taught me this over the years,
29:12when people take drugs they build up a wall and there's denial and all that.
29:15And so you think everybody's attacking you.
29:16Well, I come from a different school which says the only way to make you see your reality
29:20is to tell you exactly what your behaviour's like.
29:22You're spending money you haven't got.
29:23You are not any mother.
29:25And I am spending money.
29:26I have got...
29:26You are not the mother you were or you could be.
29:29And it strikes me, whatever you think about your family,
29:32that everybody's been pussyfooting around for years.
29:35I'm not pussyfooting around.
29:36You're a drug addict who's going to lose...
29:38We are.
29:38You are a drug addict who's...
29:39Listen to me.
29:40You are going to lose your kids.
29:42No, I'm not.
29:43Will you...
29:44She's moved out because she can't bear it.
29:47Never at home.
29:48She runs away from home.
29:49She runs away from school.
29:50Yeah, but she's still...
29:51She's a daughter telling you and you're arguing with her.
29:54How much do you love your kids?
29:56How much do you love your kids?
29:58Well, you can't answer that because it's on the internet.
30:00Then why do you keep taking drugs?
30:01Because I'm a drug addict.
30:02That's fine.
30:03Okay, so what are you going to do to get your kids back?
30:04Or try and get on the right side of it?
30:06Stop taking drugs, yeah?
30:07No, I hate.
30:07And how are you going to do that?
30:08You're not going to stop taking drugs.
30:09No, I probably won't.
30:10Why not?
30:11You don't know how.
30:12You don't know how.
30:14Well, I will show you how.
30:16Come here.
30:17Listen to me.
30:18I will show you and they will stop shouting at you.
30:21Look at me.
30:22That's the most genuine thing I've ever heard.
30:24Look at me.
30:25No, look at me.
30:26You don't know how, do you?
30:28No, I don't know how.
30:29I do.
30:29Come here.
30:30I do.
30:31I know.
30:32I know.
30:33Don't you dare recall in horror.
30:36I know.
30:37I know.
30:38I know.
30:39I know.
30:39I know.
30:39Listen to me.
30:40You all right, you all right?
30:41Look at me.
30:43I know.
30:47This...
30:48Graham.
30:50This is my good friend Perry Clayman from the Perry Clayman Project.
30:53Look at me.
30:54This guy has the most unbelievable offer right now and it stands for about three minutes.
30:59Listen.
30:59Listen.
31:00Kerry, I'm going to offer you 12 weeks residential rehabilitation at one of our four centres at
31:09PCP in Luton.
31:10No, I can't.
31:11Not 12 weeks.
31:12No, I can't.
31:12I've got my kids.
31:13No, not 12 weeks.
31:14I'll do this.
31:15I'll do this.
31:15Look at me.
31:16Look at me.
31:16No, not 12 weeks.
31:17Listen.
31:18Listen.
31:19No.
31:19I truly, more than anybody out here, believe you love your kids.
31:23But I'm telling you.
31:24No.
31:25I know.
31:25No.
31:26Because there's no one to have them.
31:28No.
31:29He doesn't want them.
31:31He doesn't want them.
31:31He doesn't want them.
31:32Get off me.
31:33Stop it.
31:34Get off me.
31:34Get off me.
31:35Mommy, if you don't do enough, it's going to be easy.
31:37You don't have enough.
31:38You've never been there.
31:40Look at me.
31:40Look at me.
31:41Look at me.
31:41It's about yours about my kids and so on.
31:43How do you know?
31:44The internet is having the children.
31:46You've never had my kids.
31:49Right.
31:49Can you do me a favour?
31:50Come on.
31:52Come on.
31:52How long have I had your kids?
31:55Come on.
31:56Can you do me a favour?
31:56Can the three of you?
31:58Leave it to me.
31:59Do me a favour.
32:00Go.
32:01Do me a favour.
32:03No.
32:03When are you having my kids there?
32:04I need you.
32:05When?
32:06When?
32:07When?
32:08No.
32:08No.
32:09I can't go for 12 weeks.
32:10No.
32:14Are you going to listen to me?
32:16Go away.
32:17All three.
32:18Go.
32:19I can do this.
32:20No.
32:21I'm not going.
32:22No.
32:22I'm not going.
32:23Look at me.
32:24Listen to me.
32:26No.
32:27I'll tell you what.
32:28Come here.
32:28Come on me and nobody else.
32:30Come on me.
32:30I'm not going for 12 weeks.
32:31Come here.
32:32Come with me.
32:33Come with me.
32:34No.
32:35Come with me.
32:36I'm not going.
32:39Nobody else.
32:39No mother.
32:40I'm not going.
32:41No sisters.
32:41Just listen to me.
32:42Just listen to me, please.
32:44I'm going to be really honest.
32:44Anybody else, anywhere, please listen to me.
32:48Never been on drugs.
32:49Probably shouldn't say this, but want to.
32:52When all that's gone, really, really in my heart of hearts,
32:56I've got to say something to you.
32:57You might go down like a lead balloon.
33:00You might not get in the car.
33:01It's fine.
33:01It's the best offer you're ever going to get in your life.
33:03I'll pay for it myself.
33:04It's scary.
33:05I went to pay for it myself.
33:06No, no.
33:06Please listen to me.
33:07You will never be able to afford something like this.
33:09It's the most scary.
33:10No, you won't.
33:11It's the most scary thing in the world.
33:12I promise you, and look at Graeme when I say this to you.
33:15Nobody will have your kids that you don't want to have your kids.
33:18Your daughter, you're 90.
33:20You don't get nobody to have them.
33:21Denise, can you get Denise?
33:22She can't have them for 12 weeks.
33:24Listen to me.
33:24She's 19 years of age.
33:26Listen to him.
33:28Let's just accept that you need to go to a residential rehab right now because what
33:33you keep saying is, I don't know how to stop.
33:36Yeah.
33:36Okay, so what if we do it this way?
33:38We send you to rehab and break it down into three periods of four weeks.
33:43Okay?
33:44So we'll send you for four weeks.
33:46Accept and acknowledge it will be four weeks.
33:48And then on the back of that, we can review how it's going.
33:51And if it's going okay, then you can accept a second period of four weeks
33:55and then a third period of four weeks.
33:56What about the kids?
33:57What can we do with the kids?
33:58The kids will be well cared for.
34:00Please listen to me.
34:01Listen to me.
34:01Listen to me.
34:01All morning.
34:03I need to move back in.
34:05All morning, you've been saying to me.
34:06I'll be who?
34:07All morning.
34:08All morning.
34:08I don't know how.
34:09I don't know how.
34:10We know how.
34:11I don't know how.
34:12Okay.
34:13Residential rehab is the way forward.
34:14I've never left one.
34:15I know.
34:16But it's the way forward.
34:17No, if you don't go now and do it.
34:18It's the way forward.
34:19Right, one sec.
34:19Right, listen.
34:19I want you to do me one favour because lots of people say, come here.
34:22You need to be a bit more authoritative.
34:24She just said she will move back in.
34:26I promise you one thing.
34:27This show will make sure that nothing happens with your kids that you're not happy with.
34:32And I'm talking sisters and mother.
34:33Denise is with us on this.
34:35He'll break it down.
34:36You will never get a better chance.
34:38And Graham is dead.
34:39She can't do it.
34:42I will do it.
34:42You can't.
34:43She'd rather do that so that you get straight.
34:46So that ultimately, however difficult the next four weeks are, you will be the mother
34:50we know you can.
34:51Look at me, sweetheart, because I promise you.
34:53Four weeks.
34:54This is fear.
34:55And you can do this.
34:56And we can do it with your kids.
34:57Not your mums and your sisters.
34:59This girl will support her.
35:00I promise you.
35:01And how am I supposed to make this sound?
35:03You will never, ever get a better chance.
35:07Look at me, darling.
35:08I promise you.
35:09He's right.
35:10We can show you how to do this in the nicest way.
35:12It won't be easy.
35:13And that's what's scary.
35:14Perry Clayman Project is amazing, right?
35:16We'll break it down.
35:17We'll support her.
35:18She'll move back in.
35:19They can be out of it.
35:20I know.
35:22Come Christmas, you could come back here and you could go, alright, Jez, how are you?
35:26I know I was this, that and the other, but I'm sorted because I believe you can be a great
35:30mother again and shove it straight back down their throats.
35:33Do you understand?
35:34But I can't stand here all day because I've got hundreds of thousands of people.
35:39That's what it is.
35:39It's fear.
35:41Isn't it?
35:44I want you to get in that car.
35:45I want you to understand that we will do absolutely everything to get you clean and to make sure that
35:49your family are fine with Tanisha's and Graham's help.
35:52Will you get in that car for me?
35:53Well, if you don't do it now, you're never going to do it.
35:55It's only a commitment to four weeks, Carrie.
35:56Scary, four weeks.
35:58Scary, right?
36:00This is scary.
36:00Come on.
36:01Come on.
36:01With me.
36:02You can do this.
36:03Come on.
36:03You can.
36:04I know.
36:04I know.
36:05Come here.
36:05Come here.
36:06I promise you.
36:08What about the kids?
36:09I promise you.
36:10Listen to me.
36:11I would never...
36:12Let me tell you something.
36:13I've got four kids.
36:14I would never say on camera we will do everything to make sure we will do whatever we have to.
36:19Look at me.
36:21I promise you.
36:22You've got my word on it.
36:23Come here.
36:23I can't get my phone or anything.
36:25You'll get it all.
36:26Perry?
36:26Come on.
36:27We will do everything.
36:28I promise you.
36:29Thank you, my friend.
36:30She's obviously very nervous.
36:31She's obviously very scared.
36:32Your kids will go nowhere that you don't want them to.
36:35I promise you.
36:35Okay?
36:36I know.
36:37I know.
36:40It's salvation, babe.
36:42You need to do it.
36:43You need to do it.
36:43Get ready, John.
36:44Please.
36:45You don't want to be like this no more.
36:47Come here.
36:48Come here.
36:48Come here.
36:49Come here.
36:49I'll never do this.
36:49Come here.
36:50Before you can do this.
36:51Before you can do this.
36:52Before you can do that.
36:52Get in that car.
36:56Good luck.
37:00Please, are you all?
37:01Follow us.
37:04Listen.
37:04Just very, very quickly.
37:05Can I get the family here, please?
37:09The most important thing is she's in the car.
37:11Yeah.
37:11At least she's took that step.
37:13I hope you understand I was harsh for a reason.
37:16Because that angst was just not going to work.
37:18Denise, come here, please.
37:19I want you to promise me one thing.
37:21Graham, Steph, Stuart, the team.
37:23Everybody.
37:24That anger is going to continue until the drugs go and she can see things differently. We have to respect
37:31her wishes
37:32I promise you one thing. This is the best opportunity. She's ever going to have to support you as a
37:39family as well
37:44We're going to break we're back with a lighter set to give him a round of applause
37:48Thanks a lot. Two years with Kylie you say perfect, but now it's falling apart. Yeah
37:53I came home late one night from work. She got out of the shower and she had bruises on her
37:58knees
37:59I was like what have you been doing? She went I've been working out and stuff all that, but she's
38:03never really worked out before
38:05It's all in your head. Have you cheated on him? No. We asked Kylie since the start of your relationship
38:10with Luke
38:10Have you passionately kissed anyone else? She said no. Why don't you say no Kylie?
38:20Oh
38:32Please tell me there's nobody else in the frame nobody else the DNA test results show the Doug is not
38:39the child
38:43Why are you 100% sure he's not got very good swimmers
38:50How sure are you 100% 100% 100% 100% I am a thousand percent sure. She's not
38:56my daughter
39:00Keith is the father of your baby
39:02Thank you
39:03Thank you
39:03You're not the child's barge
39:04You're not the child's barge
39:14You're dirty
39:16It's not your baby my friend
39:18That is your daughter
39:21You are not yeter
39:25He means loving by both parents.
39:29Every child should know who its father is.
39:31Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.
39:32Bye.
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40:13Thank you very much indeed.
40:15Welcome back to our next guest today.
40:16Lucas here for all-important lie detector results.
40:18Now, he says, after discovering mysterious packets of condoms,
40:22underneath girlfriend Kylie's bed,
40:25because that's where you look,
40:26he's now convinced she might be cheating behind his back,
40:28but that's not all.
40:28He says he found Kylie on dating websites
40:31and even came home one day to find her
40:34with two bruised knees.
40:38Don't you just want to find out where he thinks she got those?
40:40It's a big day for him.
40:42Luke's on The Kyle Show that way.
40:50How are you?
40:52Now, welcome to the show.
40:53The thing is, I understand that you're probably standing there going,
40:56they all think I'm nuts,
40:57but I'm going to say in your defence,
40:58a lot of people come here and it's gut instinct
41:01and they don't have anything specific,
41:02but that gut instinct sometimes is right.
41:04Two years with Kylie, you say.
41:07Perfect, but now it's falling apart.
41:10Yeah, we've been fine.
41:11We've been together about nearly two years now.
41:14Yeah, you love her?
41:14I do, yeah, I do.
41:16What is it then?
41:18Stop with...
41:20Single.
41:21Go on, go on.
41:22What it is, is I came home late one night from work
41:26and she'd got out of the shower
41:28and she had bruises on her knees and everything
41:30and I was like, what have you been doing?
41:33And she went, I've been working out and stuff like that,
41:35but she's never really worked out before, you know?
41:38So, um...
41:39I work out on a regular basis, but I...
41:42I do!
41:44But I don't have bruised knees.
41:45Also, she seems to regularly want to change the sheets nowadays.
41:48Yeah, she did.
41:49And, um, when I went into the bedroom,
41:51she'd flipped the mattress and changed the sheets.
41:54So, um, I said, why did you do that?
41:57And she was just like...
41:57What's the point in changing the sheets?
41:58You'd have them dirty!
41:59Yeah, but, um...
42:00But more regularly.
42:01Yeah, it was just my gut feeling,
42:03just said something was wrong about it, you know?
42:06Those two examples and the dating websites
42:07I mentioned at the beginning of the part.
42:10Yeah.
42:11Why?
42:11What did you discover?
42:12What happened with that is, um,
42:13because of the, uh, bruises on her knees and stuff like that,
42:16that's when I started getting suspicious about it.
42:18And, um, like, I...
42:20What I did is I waited for her to give me her password to her Facebook.
42:25So I went over to...
42:28And I've got...
42:28Poked her.
42:29Yeah.
42:30I've got my Facebook up and her Facebook up on my computer screen.
42:35Oh, like split...
42:36Yeah, sort of thing.
42:37Split Facebook screen?
42:39So I was talking to her from my Facebook and, um...
42:43Did you pretend to be somebody else?
42:45No, no, no.
42:45But she's got dating websites.
42:47What, what, with a profile up?
42:48Yeah, but, um...
42:49See, Charlie, I know what a profile is.
42:50What happened was, I was talking to her and I saw on her Facebook,
42:54a dating website pop up with all, like, conversations with men and stuff like that.
42:59Rude conversations?
43:00It was a little bit, yeah.
43:02So you confronted her?
43:03I did.
43:04And she totally denied it and said it was something to do with a fake account.
43:08Now, I don't want you to think I'm learning this to a level,
43:10but I do always think that when there's that sort of instinct or fact,
43:15the relationship changes physically.
43:17This is really interesting.
43:19You say that physically this relationship has changed.
43:21In fact, she started to have more sex with you.
43:24Well, I have, because I thought she's, um, you know, sleeping with someone else.
43:29So I thought, if I, like, up my game.
43:38What does, um, sorry about this, Dilys.
43:40What does, uh, what does up your game mean?
43:44You know, like, do it a bit more often and, you know,
43:47try and spice things up a little bit and that.
43:49Can I ask you a serious question?
43:50She says this is all in your head two years down the line.
43:52She doesn't understand why you're feeling like that.
43:54She says, I'm not a cheat.
43:55Today I'll prove it.
43:56I love Luke.
43:56I'll do everything for him.
43:57If she passes, this will be you and your brain.
44:00You'll put it to bed.
44:01What about if, uh, you're right?
44:02Your gut instinct is correct.
44:04What happens?
44:04It's over.
44:05Let's get her out.
44:06Carly's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
44:07That way.
44:14Carly, welcome to the show.
44:15There were no bruises.
44:16It were red marks.
44:17There were no bruises at all.
44:19It was red marks.
44:20Dating websites, love.
44:21Why are you crying?
44:21I thought him.
44:22Why didn't you get rid of them?
44:24Because I don't know how to.
44:25I thought they'd gone.
44:26Don't ask me.
44:27I didn't have to.
44:27I thought once she'd not go on and they'd just go.
44:30Right.
44:30Answer.
44:31Answer what Luke says.
44:32Because I've absolutely no doubt that you think this is all in his mind and he's a fantasist.
44:38He says this gut instinct and one or two of the facts won't go away.
44:41A condom under the bed or a packet of condoms.
44:43Before him, when I go to get the injection, they offer you.
44:47And obviously before him, I wanted to make sure I was safe and I wasn't doing anything silly.
44:51So you just threw them under the bed?
44:52Yeah.
44:53There was a bag before that.
44:54There was a bag.
44:55A bag?
44:56Because I've always been on the injection or the pill.
44:58I've always been safe.
44:59I put them in a big bag.
45:00I'm talking about team.
45:01The bruised knees, the condoms under the bed.
45:02All this is fantasy because this man spoke so much weed he doesn't know the time of day.
45:06Years ago.
45:07Years ago.
45:08That was a long time ago.
45:09Do you not even talk to each other?
45:10I do.
45:11I try to.
45:12Try now.
45:13It's all in your head.
45:14It really is.
45:15Why do I keep finding everything like that?
45:16You just add things up and make 8,000.
45:19Once you see this, once we get this done, you will see that it's all in your head.
45:24And you've been going at me and going and going and going and making me feel like absolute
45:27****.
45:28I hope it is.
45:29Because you've got it all in your head.
45:30Have you cheated on him?
45:31No.
45:32Tell her why you get this feeling that she has, my friend.
45:36I don't know.
45:36It's just a...
45:37I know that you're lying, Kylie.
45:39See, he's still saying, I know that you're lying.
45:41I know that you're lying.
45:42When you prove that you're telling the truth, as you say...
45:44We need help.
45:46Serious help.
45:46Do you accept that?
45:47Yeah.
45:47Are you going to pass?
45:48Yeah.
45:481,000%?
45:49A million.
45:50See, those all-important lie detector results, as ever, the questions are asked of Kylie,
45:53the answer that she gave and whether she was telling the truth or not.
45:55We asked Kylie, since the start of your relationship with Luke, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
46:00She said no.
46:00Why did you say no, Kylie?
46:01Telling the truth.
46:02Tess says you're a liar, love.
46:03Oh!
46:05Not a kiss.
46:06Notice the tears have dried up and we don't look too surprised.
46:09I don't look surprised.
46:10When?
46:10Well, I don't damn well know, do I?
46:12I wasn't there!
46:14Oh, now we're going to start crying again.
46:15Since the start of your relationship with Luke, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
46:18That's everything from a kiss to intercourse.
46:20You said no.
46:21Tess says you're a liar, Kylie.
46:22In fact, let's cut to the chase, my friend.
46:24Your gut instinct was right.
46:25She failed every single question.
46:26I've never had sexual intercourse with anybody.
46:44I don't know why we have a stage.
46:46I've given up.
46:50Let's just walk and do this show.
46:52Let's just walk.
46:52For the minute, I've met you.
46:54Just walk.
46:54Just keep walking.
46:55Just walk all the time.
46:56For the minute, I've met you, I've not been near anybody else.
47:00I'm not.
47:00Kylie, I know you're lying.
47:01I just needed to...
47:03There's no tears in your face.
47:03I just needed you to know that I'm lying.
47:04Because I've not done anything.
47:06Don't believe you.
47:06I don't understand by that test.
47:08You know you're lying.
47:08Because you wouldn't say on the stage, I haven't had sexual intercourse.
47:11I haven't.
47:11You've lied about something, haven't you?
47:12No, I haven't.
47:12Why did you bring me here?
47:13Why couldn't you just say that?
47:15I haven't.
47:15I haven't, please.
47:16I haven't.
47:17What are you doing?
47:17I want to see it.
47:18You're a decent man.
47:19You can do better than this.
47:21I'm not.
47:22Tell the truth, love, because I know within half an hour you're a liar.
47:25There's no tears coming out of your eyes.
47:27I'm not.
47:27There's no tears, love.
47:28Because I've been crying all morning.
47:29What, because you're worried about the result?
47:30No, because I've done nothing wrong.
47:32You've lost the best thing that probably did over a brand.
47:34I know, I have.
47:34Yeah, because you can't tell him the truth.
47:35I love him.
47:37No, no, no, tell him what happened.
47:38I don't know.
47:39Who was it?
47:39I don't know.
47:41Who was it?
47:41I don't know.
47:42Yes, you don't.
47:42I don't.
47:43So something did happen, then?
47:44I don't know.
47:45So you don't know whether it was something that happened or you don't know who it was?
47:49Nothing's happened, I don't know.
47:50He's not paranoid at all.
47:51He's a nice bloke.
47:52He loved you.
47:52He said that he loved the bones of you for two years.
47:54And I've loved the bones of him.
47:55Obviously not enough, love.
47:57What are you going to do?
47:58It's over, Kylie.
47:59That's it.
47:59I haven't been with anyone else.
48:00I know you have.
48:01I just needed you to know that I know.
48:03That's it.
48:04I'm done.
48:06You know what?
48:09You know the problem with this show is?
48:10The problem with the show is sometimes is that you're now going to stand backstage and cry because
48:14you're a lady and I'm supposed to do what?
48:16No, I don't want you to do something like this.
48:16You have cheated on him and he says he can't.
48:19I haven't been to anyone.
48:21It's a fact, right?
48:22If you listen to this man, he might tell you the importance.
48:24There's no tears coming out still, love.
48:26You might perhaps go backstage and tell him the truth because he's a nice bloke and he deserves
48:30to know.
48:31I'm going that way because I'm out of time.
48:33You might like to go that way and tell the truth.
48:35We'll see you tomorrow.
48:36Thanks for watching.
48:36We'll see you tomorrow.
48:36We'll see you tomorrow.
48:36We'll see you tomorrow.
48:36We'll see you tomorrow.
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