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00:00On today's show...
00:30What?! Don't you say anything to my wife!
00:32Oh, come on, Matt!
00:35You say, um, if Carl fails, even a kiss, our relationship is over.
00:39You've got to help me if you fail. I'm just going to make that point.
00:42That's when you do that little bit, and you pause and ask if you're going...
00:45We asked Carl since the start of your relationship with Danielle
00:48if you had sexual intercourse with anyone else. He said no. Why did he say no?
00:52I've been in this business a long, long time,
00:55and I would never, ever, ever say this to you, but let me tell you something.
01:10APPLAUSE
01:19Thank you very much indeed. Good morning. It's never a big, big welcome to the show.
01:22Now, my first guest today, Michelle, is here to confront her brother Dan's controlling ex-partner, Lucy.
01:27She says that Lucy has stopped her brother Dan from seeing his daughter,
01:30and claims she has major doubts he's even the father,
01:33and she says Lucy was continually cheating.
01:36Michelle says she, Lucy, is an unfit mum,
01:38and if DNA today proves that Dan is the baby's father,
01:41then she will demand that her brother and the family are given custody.
01:46It's going to be a massive day. Michelle is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
01:50APPLAUSE
01:56You look ready for this. I don't am.
01:58Are you all right? Yes, thanks.
01:59Nervous? A little bit.
02:00You've got lots to say. Let me lay out the main people in this story.
02:03Lucy is the ex of your brother Dan.
02:06Yes.
02:07They are arguing over all sorts of things.
02:10How old's the child?
02:11He's ten months tomorrow.
02:13Today is about you sticking up for your brother
02:15and telling a few home truths in terms of what we heard.
02:20What was their relationship like? How long did it last for?
02:23It was over about two and a half years, three years.
02:26It was all right to start with,
02:29but over time she got really controlling.
02:34She was always lying.
02:37Were you pleased when it finished?
02:41In a way, yes, because of all the hassle she'd put him through
02:44and all the stress.
02:45Well, let's just talk about some specifics.
02:46You say, and I care, this is, you know, I've said it before,
02:50it's really easy on this show to come out and deliver a line,
02:53but it means you have to know what you're talking about.
02:56Lucy is a bad mother.
02:58Yes, yeah.
03:00Where did you get that from?
03:01Well, I'm a mother myself and she uses Liam as a weapon,
03:06which is wrong.
03:09And she's always putting herself first.
03:11She doesn't put her son first.
03:13I mean, it's no secret that you've called social services on her.
03:18Now, you have to be pretty convinced that a person is not up to scratch as a parent
03:22if that's what you do.
03:24Why did you do that?
03:25Um, because she doesn't look after Liam properly.
03:28And I was with her when she first, I was with her all the way through labour,
03:33and my brother was, and she come and lived with us for a while.
03:37You say, she would drop him off.
03:39She's not very happy, I can hear already.
03:41No.
03:41She would drop him off, he would be filthy,
03:44it wasn't the way you should treat a child.
03:46You say, I think she cheated on my brother,
03:48which is why, without any shadow of a doubt, we're doing this DNA test.
03:51You say, if he's the father, you and he should have custody.
03:54Those are strong things to say, Michelle.
03:57Yeah.
03:57Strong, strong things.
03:58Yeah.
03:58You're standing by those, are you?
04:00Oh, yeah.
04:00Well, you need a bit more fire in your belly, love,
04:02because she's certainly got it.
04:03Lucy's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
04:10You're a nephew, he's actually 10 months old on Thursday.
04:14Get it right.
04:15Oh!
04:18Lucy, you're nothing but a liar.
04:21You're a compulsive liar.
04:23No, he was born the 2nd of June.
04:24She says you're a bad mother who allows your son to be,
04:27well, filthy when you drop him off.
04:29Yeah.
04:30How do you expect that?
04:32He's always dirty every time he comes back to me.
04:34Lucy.
04:34It's a lie, Lucy.
04:36You block him off.
04:37How come it's always you I have to go through to talk to Dan?
04:41And why?
04:42Because you're a compulsive liar.
04:45Your whole family start picking on Daniel.
04:48They won't let him see him.
04:50Well, I don't even have a chance to speak to Dan,
04:52because you're always putting him.
04:53Yeah, well, I wonder why.
04:54She said you cheated on him.
04:55Was he the father?
04:56Did you cheat?
04:57Talk to me.
04:58Yes, she did.
04:58How do you know?
04:59Were you there?
05:00Yes, she was living with me at the time.
05:02Come on, answer her.
05:03She had sex with somebody else, not your brother in your house.
05:07No, she left him, Daniel, to go off with somebody else.
05:10When I was pregnant.
05:12No.
05:12Oh, you weren't pregnant, were you?
05:14I was pregnant when I left Dan, because me and Dan split up before I was 20 weeks pregnant.
05:20Who's been shouting?
05:20It's my mum.
05:21You told my team that she cares more.
05:23If you cared as much as you say you did, why didn't you go to his christening?
05:27Because we weren't invited.
05:29Yes, she was.
05:30I told Dan the date and time.
05:32We found out by friends that live in the same town as you, weeks after you got and christened.
05:39Me and Dan got back together before the christening.
05:41I told Dan the christening was in December.
05:44She told my team, your brother, who you think is the best in the world, is in fact a terrible
05:48father who tried to convince her to have an abortion when she announced.
05:51That is a lie, Lucy.
05:53No, because the day I was pregnant, he didn't want Liam.
05:57That is a lie.
05:59I was a liar.
06:00You are a liar.
06:02That's all you've said, you're a liar.
06:03You told us your mum kicked you out because she locked you in a room and she wouldn't feed
06:09you, so Daniel brought you in and let you stay with us, keep her roof over your head.
06:15Dan told me that I didn't even know what to say.
06:17Isn't it true that just two weeks after you gave birth, him on screen, who's next after
06:21the break, kicked you and the newborn baby out when the kid was two weeks of age?
06:26True or false?
06:31Yes.
06:31You're bloody everywhere you are, aren't you?
06:33No, it was not.
06:34I mean, you're at the hospital, you're when she's having sex, you're when she...
06:37You're just everything, aren't you?
06:39Is your brother...
06:40Here's the point.
06:41Is your brother a man who's being denied access because what?
06:45She doesn't...
06:46Right, we're going to hear from him.
06:47Why are you stopping him seeing the kid?
06:49I took him...
06:50I have never stopped dancing, Liam.
06:52I took him over about six weeks ago for Dan to turn around and say to me he doesn't
06:57want his son because he's too busy helping his sister move.
07:00Lucy!
07:02Because...
07:02Were you there?
07:03Was in the car.
07:04Who's that?
07:04Were you there?
07:05Yes, I was there when she said that.
07:08Let me tell you something about this lady who is always there.
07:11She will be here, here, there, wherever after the break.
07:13We're coming back.
07:14We've got the man stuck in the middle and we've got DNA results.
07:17Is she a liar or is she a liar?
07:18We'll find out.
07:19I'm back.
07:19Don't go anywhere.
07:21You two need to keep out of everything.
07:23So...
07:23No, go on, then.
07:25If you want to keep out of this, what are you doing here, then?
07:26Because I'm here for Lucy, that's why.
07:29Yeah, they are here for...
07:30Just sit down and shut up!
07:32No!
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08:01Thank you very much.
08:11Thank you very much.
08:11Welcome back.
08:11Before the break, Michelle and Lucy.
08:12Michelle came out and said, my brother Dan has been treated badly by this woman.
08:16They have a child that's ten weeks of age.
08:18This woman is a compulsive liar who plays God with her life.
08:22Child is messy, filthy, not looked after.
08:25I have phone social services because I have genuine concerns about my nephew.
08:28All she does is lie.
08:29Lucy came out and said, you've always been in the middle of it all.
08:32You're a bit pious.
08:33You pretend you play God with the child's life.
08:35I'm not a bad mother.
08:37The man in the middle is your brother.
08:39Dan's next on the Kyle show.
08:40Give him a round of applause.
08:41All right then, where have you been for the last, what, ten months of your son's life?
08:50I'll tell you where I've been.
08:51I've been trying to make a life for Liam, but you won't let me.
08:56Right?
08:57Why haven't you bothered to make in contact with me?
09:00You know where my mum lives for you to come and see him?
09:02Every time I go to your mum's, they kick off at me.
09:06Well, you're not being a good enough dad.
09:08And if these dear lady cats come back, you're the dad.
09:10You can just go right to Liam.
09:12He's not allowed access.
09:14Oh, here we go.
09:14Why would you do that?
09:16You were doing all right until you started acting like a spoiled little girl.
09:20You're using Liam as a weapon and it's not fair.
09:21He needs to know who his dad is, where he comes from.
09:24Dan, welcome to the show.
09:25Why do you have doubts that you're the father?
09:28She's been doing nothing.
09:29I'm liar.
09:29Who are you?
09:30You didn't want her to have that baby.
09:33You wanted her to get rid of her.
09:35You weren't there.
09:35You weren't there.
09:36Did you ask for an abortion when she was there?
09:38I did not kick her.
09:39You locked her in a room and you won't feed her.
09:42No, I did not.
09:43To get your facts right.
09:44Well, that's what she's told me and all my family.
09:47Can you wait until your ass to come out?
09:49You, Dan, welcome to the show.
09:51Let's hear from you.
09:52You and Lucy were together for how long?
09:54Two and a half years.
09:55What's the issue here?
09:56I've got your sister saying.
09:58I mean, how do you feel about the fact that your sister phones social services?
10:01She phones social services.
10:03She calls this woman an unfit mother.
10:05That's not good.
10:06Because she is.
10:06Why?
10:07Because the amount of lies she's told, I don't believe anything that comes out of my mouth.
10:11Let him speak.
10:12I don't believe what comes out of my mouth.
10:13She's a compulsive liar.
10:14Here's a question for you guys, for the people watching in the studio and at home.
10:18Does that make her an unfit mother?
10:19Yes.
10:20If she's a compulsive liar, have you seen evidence for yourself that means that you believe that
10:25if this child is yours, it's in a situation that would be a concern to you?
10:30Yes.
10:33Because I've done everything I can.
10:35I was even there at the birth.
10:38That's loads of...
10:39I've even got a book.
10:40I've got photos of my...
10:41She was there.
10:42Yeah.
10:42Michelle was there.
10:44He was there.
10:44Yeah.
10:45His father's down being sick.
10:47He was out there being sick.
10:49Because he can't be...
10:50Oi, go away until I say you'll get out.
10:52Five minutes, Lucy.
10:53I know you're trying to out to her because she's everywhere.
10:55He was out there doing the whole thing, Michelle.
10:56No, he was there.
10:57I was there.
10:58Oh, jeez.
10:59She was there as well.
11:00Were you at the birth?
11:00Yes, because her mother...
11:02She didn't want to speak to her mother because her mother kicked her out.
11:05So you were at the birth?
11:06Yes.
11:06Were you at the conception?
11:07No.
11:08Are you sure?
11:09I would have stopped it.
11:10She would have stopped...
11:11What?
11:12Oh, hold on a minute.
11:13Talking about catching people in the air, you accused her of cheating.
11:16You say that is true.
11:18Yes.
11:18You caught her with a man.
11:19Yes.
11:20Hey.
11:20Wait a minute.
11:21We can't...
11:21Nate, shut up.
11:23Were you there?
11:24No.
11:24Oh.
11:25What would tell me about the man?
11:27What happened?
11:28What happened is we...
11:30Because Lucy used to do her dancing, like jive dancing.
11:32Jive?
11:33Well, try to, but...
11:37But anyway, we went to and I was watching.
11:40I thought, yeah, this is good.
11:41So I sat out and watched.
11:42So I went out...
11:42Jive dancing is good.
11:43Jive dancing is good.
11:46Jive dancing is good.
11:46Lose that picture.
11:47She's doing my head in.
11:48Let's talk about this.
11:49What?
11:50Lose the picture.
11:51Go on.
11:52So I went out and seen it and I thought, yeah, everything's good.
11:55And then I went outside to have a cigarette and then I heard these voices and it was Lucy's
12:01voice.
12:01And I went round the corner and there she was snogging someone's bloke with someone's
12:05face off.
12:06Are you getting a bit...
12:08Did you, I mean, from the jive, did you start kissing someone?
12:11Were you together at that point?
12:12Yeah, two weeks.
12:13Well, well, is that true?
12:15I wasn't kissing a bloke, no.
12:17Because at least I'm loyal.
12:19Yeah.
12:20I am.
12:21And I don't go around saying that.
12:22Do you know what I don't understand is that you actually had contact with this child.
12:26There didn't seem to be a dispute about DNA.
12:28It's now that there is a dispute about contact that suddenly you want to do a DNA.
12:33When did your doubts start about this child's paternity?
12:36Well, it all started when she stopped me seeing it.
12:38When was that?
12:40Erm...
12:41I haven't seen him since a month ago now.
12:43Why is that?
12:43Come on, let's have it.
12:44From nobody else.
12:45Why have you suddenly decided that he is apparently not able to see his child?
12:50Basically, I took him over, as he said.
12:53My mate actually took me over.
12:55I gave him petrol means to take me over to...
12:56I'm not bothered about how you got there.
12:58...to suddenly for Dan to turn round and say,
13:00Oh, I don't want to...
13:01I don't want most of them this weekend if I'm too busy.
13:03Is that true?
13:04I'm not talking to you.
13:05I'm sure you were there.
13:07No.
13:08Were you there?
13:09No, but she was...
13:10You weren't there.
13:10She wasn't there!
13:12She wasn't there!
13:17I want to hear from you, Dan.
13:20Right.
13:21Did you tell her to get lost?
13:23I did because...
13:24No!
13:25Mum, just get back!
13:29I only...
13:31Going back to that.
13:32I only said that because...
13:34You did say that!
13:35Yes, I did say that because...
13:36But you can't, mate, with the greatest of respect, be out here through your sister.
13:40Which I get her passion.
13:42But you're saying, I haven't seen my kid and she's playing God.
13:46Michelle said all that and now you've admitted that when she bought the kid, you said, I don't want to
13:51see her.
13:52I'm not saying...
13:53Yeah, because I said...
13:53The reason why I said that was because she said no contact.
13:57Now, if someone says no contact, you stick by that, don't you?
14:00Do you really, really believe this child is not yours?
14:03Truthfully.
14:03I mean, 50...
14:0550-50...
14:05But you said and you were very honest and I quite like you.
14:08Yeah.
14:08You said I didn't have any doubts until she stopped me seeing the kid.
14:12You had no paternity doubts at that point.
14:15No.
14:15Then why have they started now?
14:17Because why would some parents stop seeing a kid?
14:21Answer that question.
14:23A, I haven't stopped you.
14:24I took him over to yours.
14:27Yeah.
14:27Why hasn't he seen him for the last four weeks?
14:29Because of his reaction, yes?
14:31Yeah, because he turned around to me and he doesn't want to know his son.
14:34So, in essence, this is a petty little argument, right?
14:36Because I'm fed...
14:37I want to get your mum out.
14:39What's your mum called?
14:39Doreen.
14:40I'm sick and tired of a...
14:41Are you all right now?
14:42Doreen's back.
14:43Oh, well, she's on the show now.
14:44Doreen, give her a round of applause.
14:51I've had enough of you two.
14:52You two need to keep out of everything.
14:55And...
14:55Go on, man.
14:56So, if we need to keep out of this, what are you doing here, then?
14:58Because I'm here for Lucy, that's why.
15:00Yeah, they are here for me.
15:01No, she's always butting it.
15:03They are here for me.
15:04I don't care.
15:05I know you don't.
15:06That's why you're out here.
15:07You need to butt out of it.
15:08Just sit down and act like a mother.
15:10No!
15:11You are like a mum.
15:12You need to butt out of this.
15:13It's an entirely...
15:14Hang on, can you leave my sister alone out of this?
15:16Yes!
15:16Go on!
15:18Come on, walk off.
15:18Go cry, you...
15:20Just sit down and shut up!
15:22No!
15:23You shut up!
15:23I don't choose!
15:24Yes, it's wrong the reason why we're on here, isn't it?
15:27Oh, is it?
15:28Because you keep running your mouth against your queen bee all the time.
15:31So, your mum ain't much better, isn't she?
15:32What?
15:32She's not running her mouth.
15:34She's not running her mouth.
15:36So, what are you doing now, then?
15:37Because I'm being loosely on me!
15:40Yeah, they are here for me!
15:41Oh, shit!
15:42I'm glad I prepared dad to want!
15:44Don't be a mother!
15:45The thing that annoys them is, and this is where I do believe them, is that you spent
15:50a lot of time with them, slagging your own mother off and saying she wasn't any sort
15:55of mother when I was...
15:57Who's that?
15:58That's Aidy.
15:59Oh, yes.
15:59Shut up.
16:00Another mostly one.
16:01Apparently, she was no sort of mother to you, and they now find it a bit rich,
16:06that suddenly she's mother of the year, and they're being pushed out.
16:10That's what you're saying.
16:11What sort of mother were you to her?
16:12I was a good mother to her.
16:14What they said wasn't true, I didn't lock her up in the room.
16:16Well, that's what Lucy's told her.
16:18No!
16:19Did you ever tell them that?
16:22Whatever.
16:22No!
16:23Are you sure?
16:23Yes!
16:25I think that you did tell them.
16:27You did.
16:27I never, because they're just trying to throw any accusations at me now.
16:31I think you're all trying to throw accusations at each other, and I think the real shame and
16:34the real misery of this story...
16:36We're here for Liam, not for you.
16:38No, we're not.
16:38We're here for yourself.
16:39No!
16:39Oh, yeah.
16:39Liam!
16:40Send attention!
16:42Liam didn't ask me.
16:43Liam, because I don't want you anywhere near my room.
16:45Yeah, but you're doing it, and you did it before.
16:47You said even if you are the father, you're not seeing him.
16:49Is that your husband?
16:50Bob it!
16:50Adrian's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
16:52He's out now.
16:55Adrian!
16:56Adrian!
17:00You've talked so many lies, nobody knows what is the truth and what is actual rubbish coming
17:04out of your mouth.
17:04You've got nothing to do, it's a butt out.
17:07Oh, yes, he has.
17:07I am.
17:08Why have you, to do with my son, nothing to get off this stage?
17:15Um, you say so!
17:17They're the truth, aren't they?
17:19They're the truth, my son!
17:21You're in a way like you always do.
17:22I'm his uncle.
17:23No, no, you've nothing to do with him.
17:25You've seen him.
17:27Don't you say anything to my son.
17:29Oh, come on, then!
17:30Come on, then.
17:30No, because he's not a man.
17:32He wouldn't do that.
17:32I wouldn't do that.
17:32I wouldn't do that.
17:34I wouldn't do that.
17:35This man, this man, I'll tell you whether, I don't know whether the audience agrees,
17:39he speaks more sense than anybody on this stage in the last 20 minutes.
17:44I want to ask you something, because all you've done is that, right?
17:47What has this guy done that's so wrong?
17:49Come on, be truthful.
17:51When my grandson was just two weeks old, he kicked them both out and she came to live
17:56back with me.
17:57No, do you know what?
17:58No, no, wait a sec.
17:59Agent, I'm not going to go at you, but he's already admitted that he did say I don't
18:02want to see the kid, which is ridiculous.
18:03She would agree with that.
18:04It's an open goal, right?
18:05Yeah, I agree with that.
18:06Should he have said that when she took him round?
18:07No.
18:08All he said was, all she said, he said was, if you don't like it, then you know where
18:13the door is.
18:14That's not kicking someone out.
18:15Did you kick the child and her out when the kid was two weeks of age?
18:18No, I didn't.
18:18Yes, she left on her own accord.
18:20Why did she leave?
18:21Because she couldn't stand the truth.
18:22She'd always run away when...
18:24She always used to run to her mum every little...
18:26Do you not believe that she...
18:27You see, I know this is slightly contentious, but there you go.
18:30Do you not believe that she slagged you off to them?
18:33Because I firmly do.
18:35No, she wouldn't do that to me.
18:37She wouldn't.
18:37How many people in the audience think that she's told them things about her mother?
18:41I do remember.
18:42Look, look at that.
18:43I do remember.
18:44And you know it's true.
18:44And I don't mind the fact that you're being loyal.
18:47I'm not having a goa, she's young, she's got a kid.
18:49But this guy is far more reasonable than I...
18:52I'm going to say this now.
18:53You're far more reasonable than I thought you were going to be.
18:56And I take my hat off to you.
18:58It's just another damn story where the innocent is...
19:03I mean, all of you, strangely enough, want the same thing.
19:06But it's got to a point where people are, don't get offended, phoning social services.
19:10You're never going to see the kid.
19:12How's that helping this child?
19:14I've only done that because the state that she brought him over on numerous occasions...
19:18Thinking hindsight was the wrong decision, I'm asking you.
19:20No.
19:21But it didn't achieve anything.
19:22Well, I think it was the wrong decision that she phoned social services.
19:25We could...
19:26We should have just sat down, tried to sit down, and reason with each other.
19:30Yeah, come on.
19:31I tried to talk to Lucy, but she won't listen.
19:34Every time that you phoned social services on her, nothing's happened.
19:36Well, that isn't the truth, people.
19:38Isn't the truth, hear me out.
19:39That every time you've done that, or every time you lot have gone, you ain't seeing our child.
19:45The threats, the point scoring gets worse and worse, and the person that's being affected is Liam.
19:52Let me ask you a question.
19:53And you, you want to be treated like an adult, get back on this stage and think about your kid.
19:57You don't need to walk around there.
19:59Don't even bother with that.
20:00Oh.
20:01Is this guy...
20:03Seriously, you can stop flouncing because I'm not doing it.
20:05Sit down.
20:06But it's okay, Percy.
20:07No.
20:08Forget her.
20:09Forget Adrian.
20:10I want to say something to you.
20:12I'm sure you said things we all do.
20:14I know on both sides things have been said that are wrong.
20:17This guy's not a bad father, is he?
20:20If you're honest...
20:22He's a decent dad as long as he's away from Adrian, Michelle.
20:25Let me, let me find out the truth first with DNA.
20:28Okay.
20:29Then you two, irrespective of your families, and I understand their loyalty, if you are,
20:34what I'm going to do, I'm going to bang your heads together because it's ridiculous.
20:37Give me those results.
20:40These people speak sense.
20:42This is not a competition, sweetheart.
20:45This is a lie.
20:46Shush!
20:47Shush!
20:49Everybody needs to get their heads into one point, which is, this is about Liam.
20:55Do you believe he's yours?
20:56The DNA test results show that Dan is the father of Liam.
21:00Told you.
21:01Now...
21:04Right.
21:05Will you do me a favour?
21:07Right?
21:08Will you do me a favour?
21:08You love your daughter?
21:09Yes, I do.
21:10Right.
21:11Loving your daughter means you're going to say yes to what I'm going to ask you.
21:14Trust me with this, and as you go forward, right, whatever you think, stop...
21:20Actually, all of you.
21:21You?
21:21You?
21:22Yeah.
21:23Whatever the loyalty factor to your given family member, he's the one who's going to
21:29be messed up.
21:30I understand where you're coming from.
21:32Yeah.
21:32I understand where you're coming from.
21:34You've done and said some things.
21:36There might be a reason.
21:37Yeah.
21:37You've definitely done things.
21:38I'm just saying he is the most important point.
21:41Thank you for coming.
21:43Thank you for coming.
21:44Thank you for coming.
21:45You, sit there.
21:46Give him a round of applause.
21:48Thank you, Michelle.
21:49Thank you, Adrian.
21:50Sit there.
21:51Sit there.
21:56Just out of interest, what does this mean to both of you, this child?
22:00He's our life.
22:02He's our life.
22:03Well, here's a message for you.
22:05Families or whatever, you're going to mess his life up.
22:08See, I tend to say this every day, and I don't quite know how I'm supposed to say it differently.
22:13Mm-hmm.
22:14Have you made mistakes?
22:17Not with Liam, no.
22:18Have you made mistakes in this situation?
22:23You have, haven't you?
22:24Yeah.
22:24Have you made mistakes?
22:26Yeah.
22:28I don't...
22:28Listen, I'll be long gone.
22:30Mm-hmm.
22:30Do you want him in 16 years to be on a show like this saying, my parents messed my life
22:35up?
22:35No.
22:35I got him with the wrong gang, I messed around, I broke the law, I did whatever.
22:40It doesn't matter that you two are not together.
22:43It doesn't matter that you don't like each other.
22:45What surely matters is the fact that he needs tranquility, balance.
22:50Stop throwing weapons at each other, stop scoring points, stop involving the family.
22:55Put him at the top of your priority list.
22:57Mm-hmm.
22:58Why can't you do that?
23:00Do you want to do that?
23:01Yeah, I just, I want him to see his dad.
23:03I really do.
23:04So, we'll start here, right?
23:06Mm-hmm.
23:06We will give you whatever help you need, as parents, as people, to be civil and decent.
23:13I want you two to look at each other and promise that with our help, you're going to stop point
23:18scoring and concentrate on being parents.
23:21Yeah.
23:22Yeah.
23:22Shake hands.
23:23But it needs to be between me and Dan and not your sister.
23:25And not your mother.
23:27No.
23:27And not your brother-in-law.
23:28Shake hands, and then we're going to go.
23:30Shake hands, seriously.
23:31We are going to go to that green room.
23:33We are going to see your son.
23:34Yeah.
23:35And your son.
23:36And from the minute you walk through that door, not to me, because you might ignore everything
23:38I say.
23:39What does it matter what an old man says?
23:40But from him, the minute you walk through that door, you have to drop this.
23:44Because if you don't, you will ruin his life.
23:46Yes?
23:46Yeah.
23:47Come with me.
23:48Now.
23:54You okay?
23:55Yeah.
23:56You created this life together.
23:58Yeah.
23:58And together you have a responsibility for this life.
24:01Mm-hm.
24:01Be decent from this moment on.
24:03Okay?
24:03Yep.
24:05Somebody catch the ball for me.
24:07There he is.
24:09Hello, chump.
24:11Hello.
24:12It looks all right to me.
24:14You've got to stop point scoring.
24:16Is that Mama?
24:19God, he's got big.
24:21Can Daddy have a hold?
24:22Yeah.
24:23Hello.
24:23Hello.
24:24Hello.
24:25I appreciate the coming.
24:26Listen.
24:28The only thing that matters, for his little sake, look at him.
24:32You know, just very quickly before I finish.
24:34When I do these parts, and I look at that little baby, he doesn't deserve any of this,
24:39does he?
24:39No.
24:39He was created in love, and he deserves to be treated well.
24:43He's a good boy.
24:45So listen, we're going to help you, okay?
24:48Mm-hm.
24:48We're going to help you be good people and good parents for his sake.
24:52Yeah.
24:52Happy with that?
24:53Yep.
24:53Not going to let go, are you, mate?
24:54Nice to see you.
24:55Nice to see you as well.
24:56Yep.
24:57High five?
24:59No, not you.
25:01You're a good boy.
25:01Give him a round of applause.
25:02Graham, your doors.
25:07You know, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, a child definitely needs to know
25:10both of its parents, even if those parents do not get along.
25:13We'll keep you updated.
25:14And after the break, on that stage, a woman here to prove to her husband that she isn't
25:17meeting men online for sex.
25:19We're right back.
25:20Don't go anywhere.
25:21Do you honestly believe that she's cheap?
25:24Yes, ma'am.
25:26I think you hope she is, because it'll make you feel better about your behaviour.
25:39Hello, Jeremy.
25:40Hello.
25:41Come with me.
25:42Get your leg up.
25:44Get yourself sat up straight.
25:45Where are you going?
25:45I ain't got to get down.
25:45I came to get down.
25:48Come on there, big boy.
25:50You've waited all morning for this.
25:52Bring it on!
25:55I touched myände function.
25:58Sorry, Jeremy.
26:03What?
26:04I don't know that.
26:14It's all right, Jess.
26:20Where are you going now?
26:22Go for a breeze for a minute.
26:23You're going the wrong way.
26:32Welcome back.
26:33All right, my next guest today, Hannah is sick of her husband Orchan accusing her of having sex with men
26:38she meets online.
26:39Now, Hannah claims that for the last two years, her husband has devoted his life to gathering evidence of her
26:44infidelity,
26:45despite the fact that he's the one who cheated on her in the first place.
26:48She says, I'm here to prove I haven't cheated, and when I do, I want you to stop the accusations,
26:53deal with your guilt, and let us get on with our lives.
26:55Hannah, next on The Carl Show, that way.
26:58APPLAUSE
27:05You look very confident.
27:07Ten years ago, whirlwind romance.
27:10Just tell them where you met, how you met.
27:12In Marmaris, in Turkey.
27:14I travelled over just after finishing my GCSEs to stay with my friend who was living there.
27:19And three days later, I've met Orchan, moved in with him.
27:22Moved in with him after three days?
27:24Yeah, stayed for the summer, went back, spent time with his family in Windsor.
27:28Love at first sight.
27:29Yeah, definitely.
27:30And then we moved.
27:33Now, you are actually the same sort of age.
27:35You were 16, 17, he was as well.
27:37And I guess a lot of people probably went, well, that's not going to last, it's a holiday romance.
27:40A lot of people said that.
27:41And you guys have been together for ten years, married for eight.
27:45How many kids have you got?
27:46I've got two girls.
27:47And for you, everything's perfect?
27:50Yeah.
27:50Except for the last two years?
27:52Until two years ago, yeah.
27:53Tell them what happened, because as with all of these stories, it usually comes from something
27:56the other person's done.
27:57What happened?
28:00He previously cheated on me.
28:02When?
28:03Just after I had my youngest.
28:05My, you know, she's six now.
28:07Just after then.
28:08How did you find out?
28:11Well, various, you know, and you just, I just suspected, you know, I was just suspicious
28:15about things, and my friend knew, through other people, this girl, and I just said to
28:21her, please, can you go and see if anything's going on?
28:23And she did, and she came back and she said, I'm not telling you what I found out.
28:27And as soon as she said that, I knew.
28:29Now, he did admit straight away.
28:31He did, he did deny it.
28:32Was it a one-night stand?
28:33Was it a, what was it?
28:34He said he only slept with her once, but he'd been, yeah, he'd been round to her house
28:38to listen to music, and things like that.
28:41Went round to her house and listened to music?
28:43Yeah.
28:44Um, you forgave him.
28:47I look at the way you look at him, and Peyton Lee, you love him, but was there any part
28:50of you at that moment that thought, right, he's done, I'm going, I'm not having that?
28:54No.
28:55I didn't, I wasn't, I was heartbroken.
28:58I really, really was heartbroken about it.
29:00It took me a long time.
29:01I'll admit, it did take me a long time to get over, but...
29:03Did you push him away in that time?
29:06He was working away, at the time, anyway.
29:08I didn't tell him straight away that I'd found out, either, because I didn't want
29:11to say it over the phone.
29:12I went to see him and asked him, you know, about it.
29:15Difficult, though, isn't it?
29:15Because, of course, now we've got a complete role reversal, because he, for the last two
29:18years, has been, well, like a dog with a bone.
29:21Yeah.
29:22Just tell them.
29:22I mean, life is, it's a nightmare.
29:24Yeah.
29:26He, it started just before Christmas, saying that I'd, I received a text message of a friend
29:32asking me to go to a party.
29:34A male friend?
29:35No, it was female.
29:36Oh, that's all right, then.
29:37Um, she was doing an Ann Summers party.
29:39What?
29:39And she said, an Ann Summers party, and she was doing, she sent, you know, a group message
29:43to everybody in the contacts.
29:45I know, yeah.
29:46I don't know about that, but anyway.
29:47Well, she sent it to everybody.
29:48It wasn't just personalised to me.
29:50And he thought, he thought then that it was some man inviting me to go to, you know,
29:56some party somewhere.
29:58And it wasn't, I don't even go out.
30:00And this guy, well, that's not healthy, by the way, let me tell you that.
30:02I didn't have anyone to go to the children, though.
30:04And ever since that moment, this guy checks up on you.
30:07I mean, almost every part of your life.
30:09Every part of my life.
30:10Every part of my life.
30:11Your phone.
30:12I don't have a phone anymore.
30:13You don't have a phone?
30:14But that's not normal, is it?
30:16No.
30:17Do you think that this is paranoia from what he did, from it?
30:21I don't know.
30:23Because I haven't done anything.
30:26I really, really haven't done anything.
30:29Or maybe it's because he used to take drugs.
30:31What drugs did he used to take?
30:33Speed.
30:34Till when?
30:36I think the last time he took it was about two months ago.
30:39Two months ago?
30:41How do you feel about that?
30:42I hate him taking it.
30:44Did you tell him?
30:44Yeah.
30:45I asked him not to.
30:46So he takes drugs that make him paranoid.
30:48He's cheated on you, which would make you paranoid,
30:50because you'd spend the rest of your life wondering
30:51that if that person did to you what you'd done to them,
30:53how the hell were you going to get over that?
30:54And you're on national television saying,
30:56I love you that much that I forgave you,
30:58I accept what you do,
30:59and I'm here to lay myself on the line and prove, right?
31:03It's a bit unfair, isn't it?
31:04It's, but...
31:06I think we need to remove the phrase doormat on your head,
31:08because I think you're very nice,
31:09and I think he needs to step up to the mark,
31:11shut his mouth,
31:11and deal with what he did.
31:13That's what I think.
31:14Yeah, it's really hard because you love him.
31:22I wonder what he feels.
31:23I mean, what happened when he was having sex with that other woman,
31:25or when he takes speed when he knows you hate it?
31:26Or, how do you say it again?
31:28Archon.
31:28Anyway, he's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
31:30Give him a round of applause.
31:36How can you come out with a big smile on your face?
31:40Why not?
31:42Well, from what I've heard, you cheated on her.
31:45I did.
31:46And you were instantly forgiven.
31:51Yeah.
31:51You take speed up until eight weeks ago,
31:54despite the fact you've got a wife who hates it,
31:57and still you're smiling,
31:58and yet you've turned into a paranoid pain in the backside
32:01who's making her life miserable,
32:02and she's here to prove she hasn't cheated.
32:05I'm going to say something really shocking.
32:06I think you deserve for her to have cheated once.
32:09Evens, what do you say to that?
32:11I can't say anything, is it?
32:13Why are you following her and checking up on her?
32:15Because I seen the message, her phones,
32:20and then guys texting her.
32:23He said, do you want to go to drive?
32:27Or...
32:28I didn't see that message.
32:29It was a female message to an Ann Summers party.
32:32No, no, no.
32:33Other messages?
32:34Yeah, and then it's the...
32:35He knew the message, and the man said,
32:37oh, you are my woman.
32:39Is that true?
32:40No, it was...
32:41And then...
32:41It was...
32:42And I'll still sit by it.
32:44It was a voicemail message on my phone, you know, when...
32:46He told us that you've made fake profiles
32:49on whatever social media outlet you use.
32:52You've made fake profiles,
32:53and he believes that you're chatting to men on that.
32:55I haven't got time to do that.
32:57I haven't got time.
32:58Why would you think that, then?
32:59Because I find out the fake profile,
33:04and then I see him that she's talking on Facebook with men,
33:09and then...
33:10I will say now, after...
33:12It started in December, in September,
33:15when we were on holiday,
33:16and we were arguing,
33:18I did turn around to her and just said,
33:19yeah, all right, then.
33:20I did.
33:21There you are.
33:22To build things from the Jeremy Kyle show,
33:23she got so upset by you mithering her,
33:25you committed the worst thing ever.
33:26You went, yeah,
33:27if that's what you think of me,
33:29I had sex with somebody else,
33:30and then the phone went, whatever.
33:31I said I thought to somebody, that's all I said.
33:33Is this not, in all honesty,
33:34the way that you feel,
33:35based on how guilty you feel about cheating?
33:38Yeah.
33:39And also the fact that you take...
33:40Why do you take drugs?
33:41I don't know.
33:43She hates it.
33:44I know she is.
33:45And it's not good for you?
33:47No.
33:47Do you honestly believe that she's a cheat?
33:51Yes, I am.
33:53I think you hope she is
33:55because it will make you feel better
33:56about your behaviour.
33:58I don't think she's cheated.
34:00How many people in this audience
34:01think that she's a cheat?
34:03Nobody.
34:07Paranoid.
34:07That's what you are, aren't you?
34:09Totally and utterly paranoid.
34:11I am not paranoid.
34:12Yes, you are.
34:13Of course you're paranoid.
34:13She's paranoid because she takes drugs.
34:14She's paranoid because you
34:15had sex behind her back.
34:17You're paranoid.
34:18She'll do the same to you.
34:20No.
34:20I did sex to somebody else.
34:22Yeah.
34:23I told her.
34:24Oh, that makes it...
34:25When she's fine, I...
34:25When she's fine.
34:26That makes it all right
34:27that she was fine.
34:28Do you know what it did to her?
34:29Did you ever ask her?
34:30It killed her.
34:31He did recently.
34:32Stop defending him, love.
34:33No, but I'm not saying
34:34he asked me recently.
34:36He didn't ask me straight away.
34:37This is about you, not her.
34:39If I'm wrong, you'll get it.
34:41But I'm telling you, right?
34:42You did wrong.
34:44Okay.
34:47I'll probably have to eat humble pie now.
34:48Can I do those results, please?
34:50Have you cheated?
34:51No.
34:52But you're convinced she has?
34:54Nobody in this audience thinks she has.
34:56Everybody said he's paranoid.
34:59We asked Hannah since the start of your relationship
35:01with Oh-Chan.
35:02Is that all right?
35:03Yes.
35:03Have you passionately kissed anyone else?
35:05You said no.
35:05Why did you say no?
35:07So I was telling the truth.
35:08This made me look like an idiot.
35:09This test says you're a liar, love.
35:10Oh, I did.
35:12Whole audience.
35:13Whole audience.
35:14Liar.
35:16No response at all, eh?
35:18I haven't.
35:21Really, I haven't.
35:22Since the start of your relationship with Oh-Chan,
35:23have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
35:25She said no.
35:26This test says she lied on that question as well.
35:29I really didn't.
35:39What am I supposed to do?
35:41Come here.
35:41Come here.
35:42You cheated on her, though, didn't you?
35:44I did.
35:45Yes.
35:46So now we have to be honest,
35:47because I said I hope, and it's even.
35:49Sit down.
35:49You have to be honest.
35:50For God's sake, you fail the test, woman.
35:51I will say.
35:52I will.
35:53So something happened?
35:54No.
35:54You know the first passionate kiss one?
35:56When we were first together,
35:58yeah, I kissed somebody in a nightclub.
36:00Well, lie on one.
36:01It'll make you out a liar.
36:02And why is it people like you
36:03only ever admit that afterwards?
36:06And they always say it's at the beginning.
36:07Come on, love.
36:08I was all there for you.
36:12What do you want me to say?
36:14The truth.
36:15I just want that help.
36:17The truth.
36:18I haven't ever slept with anyone else.
36:20Ever.
36:20Ever.
36:21Ever.
36:22But something happened, right?
36:23No.
36:24Really?
36:25No, I've never slept with anyone.
36:26I've never touched anyone else.
36:30You didn't look shocked on the kissing
36:31and the sexual contact?
36:32No, the...
36:33Sexual contact can be touching.
36:35It doesn't have to be what everybody assumes.
36:37We've said it for ten years.
36:39If you go into that test lying,
36:41it will make you out a liar.
36:42Darlene, listen to me.
36:44Listen to me.
36:46Two wrongs don't make a right,
36:48but I'm sure if he had the truth,
36:52you've been together long enough
36:54to actually move forward.
36:56It strikes me that you were stuck or are stuck
36:58because it's obviously stuff that hasn't been talked about.
37:01It's not just that, you know, physically.
37:04Something happened, didn't it?
37:05No.
37:06I've never slept with anyone else.
37:08I've spoke...
37:08I've...
37:10I've thought about it.
37:11I have.
37:13I...
37:14If I'm honest, I have...
37:15Because I can't live like this anymore.
37:17Something happened, didn't it?
37:18And then I am...
37:19I just big in the house.
37:20I didn't say you slept with somebody.
37:22I said something happened, didn't it?
37:31They...
37:33Yeah, I've...
37:36I never slept with anyone, ever.
37:38I have kissed other people.
37:39Not other people, one more person.
37:41One person.
37:42I have.
37:44I have.
37:46I'll sit here and judge you.
37:48You slept with somebody, but you know what?
37:49If you want to make this work, I suggest, I think,
37:52it's got to be a clean slate.
37:53It's got to be honesty,
37:56and then people have to make up their own minds
37:58whether they can move forward.
38:01Interestingly, when you forgave him very quickly,
38:05it's still screwed her up for years.
38:07You know that, don't you?
38:09Yeah.
38:10The one thing this show does,
38:11which I'm proud of more than anything, I think,
38:13is that that's not it when you go through that door.
38:16Graham and his team will sit and spend time with you,
38:17and I know you've got talking to do,
38:19but a lot of people leave this stage
38:22and you shouldn't leave me together in the first place.
38:23A lot of people leave this stage
38:24and we'll never be back together.
38:26You two patently have a future,
38:28but you need to be absolutely honest with each other,
38:30and when you've been honest,
38:32draw a line in the sand
38:33and stop scoring points off each other, OK?
38:35Happy?
38:36Yeah.
38:37You both go that way.
38:38Graham's waiting.
38:39Give him a round of applause.
38:44That's what they need to do.
38:46They need to chat about it.
38:46Right, after the break on this stage,
38:48lie detector results to save a marriage.
38:51Check this.
38:52After only two months, I'm right back.
38:53So he wants to come to my show
38:55and use me to have a test
38:56to prove to his wife that he hasn't cheated
38:58because his relationship's in the car seat,
39:00but if he fails it,
39:01the relationship's going to fail,
39:02and that's going to be my fault
39:04because my test's a load of rubbish, yeah?
39:05Yeah.
39:06We asked Carlson to study a relationship with Daniel
39:08if he had sexual intercourse with anyone else.
39:10He said no.
39:11Why did he say no?
39:12I'm not sure.
39:13Let me tell you something.
39:25Hello.
39:26Jeronica.
39:26Hello.
39:27Come with me.
39:28Get your leg up.
39:29Get yourself sat up straight.
39:32I came to get down.
39:33I came to get down.
39:34Come on there, big boy.
39:36I've waited all morning for this.
39:38Bring it on!
39:40I touched my motion.
39:44Sorry, Jeremy.
39:49I don't know that!
39:58It's supposed to go,
40:00it's all right, Jez.
40:01Get out that day!
40:04Shut up, shut up, shut up!
40:06Where are you going now?
40:07Go for a breather on the net.
40:09You're going the wrong day.
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40:48The next guest today, Danielle, is here to demand answers from her husband, Carl.
40:52She says that after only two months of marriage, eight weeks, she suspects he's been sleeping
40:57around after she found he'd been looking up other women online.
41:00And now she says, I will demand a divorce today if this guy, after eight weeks, fails the lie detector.
41:06Danielle's on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
41:12How are you?
41:13Three weeks?
41:14Yeah.
41:14How are you?
41:15Fine, thanks.
41:16Tattoo city.
41:17One arm.
41:18How are you?
41:18Fine, thanks.
41:19I mean, you'd understand.
41:22We're thinking eight weeks.
41:24How long were you with Carl before you got married?
41:28Two years.
41:29And in that time, any concerns, any thoughts about infidelity, or is it literally since
41:35you got married?
41:36No, it was before we got married.
41:38Why'd you marry him then?
41:39Because I love him.
41:40Let's talk about this relationship.
41:42I know you're nervous.
41:44How'd you meet?
41:46Through a friend.
41:47Stop looking at my card.
41:48You don't need to worry about my card.
41:49I want honesty.
41:50Right.
41:50It was love at first sight.
41:52Yeah.
41:52Isn't it true that you moved in a week after getting together?
41:56Yeah.
41:57Are you going to say anything other than yeah?
41:59Why are you here?
42:00Tell me.
42:01Because I won't know if he's cheated on me or not.
42:03What would lead you to think that?
42:04I know you've said that you've thought about it for a long time, but now?
42:07Why now?
42:08What makes you think?
42:09A girl, what you've been looking up on Facebook, she's emailed me saying that.
42:13She's messaged her saying...
42:14You've seen this show before?
42:16Yeah.
42:16How many times have you seen this show when actually it is people stirring it?
42:20Is there any part of you when you found this out that might have thought, instead of,
42:25oh, he's definitely a dog, he's done it.
42:27Oh, it might be an ex or it might be somebody who's jealous of our happiness.
42:31We've got married and now they're going to cause problems.
42:33Do you not think that the interesting thing is that people don't ever think...
42:37Why didn't you go, you're just stirring it.
42:38I love my old man.
42:39I'm just paranoid.
42:42Now, I'm going to say this because I read this this morning and I don't mean this because
42:45I actually get this.
42:46This woman dreams every night that he's cheated, don't you?
42:50Yeah.
42:50It is a nightmare for you right now.
42:53Yeah.
42:54So, eight weeks into a marriage when everything should be fine, not great.
42:58No.
42:59Arguing a lot?
43:00Every day.
43:02He says, you're mithering me, why the hell did I do it?
43:05You say you're a lying scumbag, what's the truth?
43:07And it all goes wrong, yeah?
43:09Yeah.
43:09Whose idea to ring the show, sweetheart?
43:11Yes.
43:12Why would he ring a national television show and do a lie detector?
43:15I don't know, but last night in the hotel, he was saying if it comes back, I have cheated,
43:21then it's bull.
43:23He says what?
43:23If it comes back, he's cheated, then it's bull.
43:26The test's no good.
43:27So, he wants to come to my show and use me to have a test to prove to his wife
43:31that he
43:31hasn't cheated because his relationship's in the car seat.
43:33But if he fails it, the relationship's going to fail.
43:36And that's going to be my fault because my test's a load of rubbish, yeah?
43:39Yeah.
43:39What a great entrance.
43:40He's going to have Carl's on the Jeremy Cowell show that way.
43:48Is that called covering your back or trying to pass the buck?
43:51No, I'm not covering my back.
43:52Why would you come here if you don't think it works?
43:54No, I do think it works.
43:56Then why would you...
43:56I didn't say that to her.
43:57Oh, right.
43:57Yeah, you did.
43:58No, we don't...
43:58Oh, my God.
43:59You did.
44:00This is supposed to be the happy time!
44:02Yeah, we are happy.
44:04Well, you're not really, are you?
44:05You're on the Jeremy Cowell show!
44:06See, with these mad dreams and accusations, that's what it is.
44:10Tell me, because we're not judging, what's it like being accused 24-7?
44:14It's horrible.
44:15It's pushing me away.
44:16Tell her.
44:17It's horrible.
44:18You are pushing me away.
44:20I know.
44:21Well, he's told her, hasn't he?
44:24She says that she never trusted you.
44:27You've never trusted me?
44:30Yeah, I do trust her.
44:31I don't know.
44:32Yeah, it's just...
44:33Do you know what's really interesting?
44:34One of the girls, I say actually a girl, she's actually our series producer, said to me in the meeting
44:38this morning, she said,
44:40you've got to understand, she has these dreams, right, and then she wakes up in a mood and she's off
44:45with him all day.
44:46And do you know what she said to me?
44:47I'll try.
44:48She said, that must be difficult to deal with.
44:49And I thought, you should try being married, love, because that's actually what happens every day of your life, doesn't
44:53it?
44:54Yeah.
44:55Do you honestly, honestly think that you can put up with this?
45:00Do you think that if you...
45:01Of course, because I love him.
45:01But if you pass this test, do you think that'll nail it?
45:04Do you think she'll go, yeah, yeah, I love him?
45:05She'll still have the genius, but won't tell me about him.
45:08Do you think this is more about what happened in the past than about him?
45:12How many people think he's guilty?
45:15Two, three, four, all right.
45:20He's quite smart him, isn't he?
45:22If he passes, you're not going to stop, are you?
45:24This is about you.
45:25I will.
45:26You say, you say, if Carl fails even a kiss, our relationship is over, I'll be filing for divorce as
45:32soon as I get home.
45:32But you say, I need to know the truth before it drives us apart.
45:35If he passes, I'll say sorry.
45:37I think if he passes, you need to do more than say sorry.
45:40And God help you if you fail.
45:41I'm just going to make that point.
45:42You're going to pass?
45:43Yeah.
45:44How sure are you?
45:44Because last night you said if you didn't, the test...
45:46Oh, no, you didn't.
45:46100%.
45:47100%.
45:48Yeah.
45:48Only 100%.
45:49No more?
45:50No.
45:51Right.
45:54We asked Carl since the start of your relationship with Danielle if you had sexual intercourse with anyone else.
45:59He said no.
46:00Why did he say no?
46:01Tell him the truth.
46:01I've been in this business a long, long time and I would never, ever, ever say this to you.
46:05But let me tell you something.
46:07He passed every single question.
46:09Of course he did.
46:17This is going to sound a bit weird, but I'm going to do it anyway.
46:21He's not.
46:21Look at...
46:22Look at...
46:22Are you telling me that you get married to somebody and you can't...
46:25Look at him.
46:26They were right, except for the three idiots.
46:28Look, look.
46:29You could tell he wasn't lying, love.
46:34Listen, here's a fact of life, right?
46:36We all, I guess, at some point have been cheated on.
46:38Some people are onto it.
46:39Some people don't.
46:40This is about what happened to you in the past.
46:41This is supposed to be the best time you're married to a man who phoned this show,
46:45who came here and said,
46:46Do you know what?
46:47I'm going to nail this because I've had enough of this.
46:48I can't do this anymore.
46:49But I'll tell you something, and this is the horrible bit, because he's all right.
46:53You do this, you'll carry on doing this unless you get help, but I will give you that help.
46:58But if you do, you know what will happen, don't you?
47:00You will dig and you will dig and you will push and you will dig.
47:03And one day he'll go, do you know what?
47:05She thinks I'm going to do it anyway, so I'm doing it.
47:07And then you'll be able to go, you see, oh, man, I like that.
47:10He's all right, but you're going to push him away.
47:13I know.
47:14Why do men all...
47:15It's true here.
47:16You're all quiet now, but it's fair enough.
47:18It's both ways.
47:19You have to understand, he's passed that.
47:22He's done something he probably never wanted.
47:23He's even got loyalty written on his hand, for God's sake.
47:26Right?
47:26He probably didn't...
47:27What does that say?
47:28It's supposed to say trust.
47:29She did that.
47:30Trust and loyalty.
47:32Nice.
47:33This is about you.
47:35Get the point about the dreams, I get the point about the past,
47:37but you need to take responsibility because you will drive him away.
47:40He hasn't cheated on you.
47:41He passed it absolutely.
47:42Look at her face now.
47:43You're going to have a big night.
47:45She was saying to me last night as well.
47:46What?
47:46She says when you do that little bit and you pause, her heart will be going.
47:52Yeah, it was.
47:53So, you've said sorry.
47:54Are you going to make it up to him at all?
47:56Yeah.
47:56Oh, that's wrong.
47:58I shouldn't have asked that question.
47:59Thanks for coming, all right?
48:01I say we'll deal with you.
48:02Graham, we'll talk to you.
48:04We'll help you.
48:04I promise you.
48:05But he's all right.
48:05Nice way to end.
48:06Happy?
48:07Get out of here.
48:07Give him a round of applause.
48:11Nice way to end.
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