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00:00On today's show, so you haven't for a good number of months seen the three-year-old, you haven't seen the one-year-old, you didn't even know the child that's just been born had been born.
00:11The baby was born three days ago.
00:13Why would I let you know my little girl was born? Why? What have you done during my pregnancy?
00:18I have tried everything to see my kids.
00:20She's been on the stage five minutes and you haven't asked about the child. I'd want to know what the kid was called.
00:25I haven't asked her.
00:27I've had enough.
00:29Where are you going?
00:31Follow me now.
00:33Where are you going?
00:35Stop being a snivey little creep who won't stand up for what's right. Get out there now and tell your girlfriend of you.
00:41Oh, what about the time he was saying that he wants to... someone that works up in Shepton's Tesco's there.
00:46What?
00:47Well, there you go there.
00:51You had your leg amputated, right?
00:52Yeah.
00:53She was nicking off you.
00:5527 to be nicking your mother's bank card when she's having her leg amputated is one of the lowest things I've ever heard on this show. Fact.
01:02But where have I learned you from then, Jeremy? Where have I learned you from?
01:04Well, you...
01:05I did blanks for you. I was the perfect daughter.
01:07Sure, sure.
01:08And then you kicked me out. You kicked me out.
01:10That's all on my show. It's next.
01:12You had your happy story.
01:14Never had my dream come off.
01:15I was the coaches that threw them in my cap.
01:17That was about the home crowd.
01:18I picked someone crazy, grabbed him from your coach.
01:19That doesn't matter my mom down, it was never a bad thing.
01:21I picked a joke.
01:22I was the maniac the moment of seeing through my house where you STUDENT Crakла can be abandoned.
01:26And then…
01:28Except this may be the ônibus.
01:29That's all in my book.
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01:39Good morning, guys. How are you, guys?
01:44How are you? Good morning, guys. Nice to see you.
01:48How are you? Nice to see you. How are you, bud?
01:50You all right? Thank you, guys.
01:53I'm running, I'm running.
01:56Good morning, my friends. A big, big welcome to the show.
01:58Now, my first guest today, Matt, is here for double DNA results
02:02on ex-girlfriend Vicky's two youngest children.
02:04Matt says, since they separated nine months ago,
02:07ex-Vicky has cut him out of her life to the point
02:09he doesn't even know the sex of his youngest child.
02:12Check this. It's got to be a first.
02:14The youngest child was born just two days ago.
02:17Aww. This guy is desperate to know the truth,
02:19and he says if he is the dad to his kids,
02:21he wants to gain regular access, it's a big, big day for him.
02:23Matt is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
02:26All right, so you all right?
02:29Yeah, I'm a bit shy.
02:33You're terrified? You'll be all right.
02:35Wouldn't you be if you've had to go through what I've gone through?
02:37Well, I want to hear what you've been through, Mattie boy,
02:38but don't worry about those people.
02:39You came here today because you said,
02:41let's just do what we always do and get the facts out.
02:44You and Vicky were in a relationship for how long?
02:46The best part of three years almost,
02:48but last year or so was a bit hellish.
02:51Three kids, the eldest three, no doubts at all.
02:54The youngest two, one and two days.
02:58You want DNA tests on because you have doubts.
03:03You say she broke up with you on Valentine's Day this year.
03:05Why? What happened?
03:06Um, she'd basically been having a relationship with some bloke for America
03:11and I'd been calling the house phone 24-7,
03:15calling the mobiles,
03:17Facebooking the lot, using social network to contact it.
03:21When she dumped you, was she pregnant with the child that's now been born?
03:24I don't know. I honestly do not know whether she was pregnant with that kid or not.
03:28You found out after you split that she was pregnant.
03:31You say from that moment, she has cut you out of her life.
03:34She won't let you see the children and the doubts that you've had for quite a few years,
03:38well, a couple of years, have just come to the point where,
03:40I don't know, she's cutting me out. I need to know the truth, right?
03:43Yes.
03:43Do you have contact with this woman at all?
03:45Uh, if she contacts me, then I talk to her.
03:47If not, I won't because I can't seem to talk to her.
03:50It's as if I can't talk to her at all about the kids and it's just doing my head in.
03:56I want to be a dad and I just can't seem to be able to be a dad that I want to be.
04:01I had no family, no father figure in my life and I can't do that for my kids.
04:06I want to be the dad that actually has the kids in their lives.
04:10So you haven't, for a good number of months, seen the three-year-old?
04:14No.
04:14You haven't seen the one-year-old and you had no idea.
04:17This is shocking. I've done this a long time.
04:19You didn't even know the child that's just been born had been born.
04:22No, I only found out a few days ago that I've got a possible daughter out there that is one years old.
04:30Let's start with the one-year-old. This is your one-year-old child on the screen.
04:34You haven't seen that child for how long?
04:37Probably since about February time.
04:39What's that like? That's ridiculous.
04:40Yeah, it's killed me inside. I've tried doing everything I can to try and see my kids.
04:45Do you provide for these children?
04:46I pay my CSA for them every fortnight.
04:50No, I can't, I genuinely can't believe-
04:52And I'm also doing voluntary work because I cannot physically work due to the location where I live.
04:57So I'm having to do that as well.
04:58What does that mean?
04:59Voluntary work, like charity shop.
05:01No, I know what that is. What do you mean due to the location?
05:03Location is very rural and there's not a lot of jobs out there.
05:07That's the first time I've actually seen this one.
05:13That's the first time you've seen this child?
05:15I don't even know the name of her, what time she was born, the weight, anything like that.
05:20And it's actually killing me inside looking at it.
05:22That baby was born three days ago.
05:32Why do you think she's a bad mum? You made a big point of that with my team.
05:36The fact is that when she was living at home, she was always on like Facebook in playing this role-playing game online.
05:47And not really bothering with the kids.
05:49I was trying to go-
05:49Why don't you keep having kids with her then?
05:50I loved her and she first- Alex was planned.
05:54The three-year-old?
05:55Yeah.
05:56Faith-
05:56The one-year-old?
05:58Wasn't exactly planned.
06:00She, we weren't using anything so it was planned to an extent.
06:03And you don't even know if the youngest is yours.
06:06I'm going to get her out.
06:06You told my team and I quote,
06:08I'm 75% sure that the one-year-old is mine, but only 0.5% sure that the youngest one.
06:14This lady gave birth three days ago.
06:16Vicky's on the Jeremy Carl Show.
06:17Give her a round of applause.
06:18APPLAUSE
06:25You're an idiot, Matt.
06:27Right?
06:28Where were you on their birthdays?
06:30Did I not offer you to go and see them on their birthdays?
06:33I was going to go to you practically all the way.
06:36And you're the one, oh, I've got a bad chest.
06:38I had a panic, I had a panic attack.
06:40I don't care.
06:40I had a panic attack, Vicky.
06:42I was actually in the hospital as well.
06:43I denied you contact, did I?
06:45You have denied me contact.
06:46Right, why would I let you know?
06:48Why would I let you know my little girl was born?
06:50Why?
06:51What have you done during my pregnancy?
06:52You haven't even let me be involved.
06:54Why?
06:55Why wasn't I around you, Matt?
06:56Because of all the lies and everything you've done.
06:58Because you pushed me into a cot when I was pregnant with your second daughter,
07:02with your first daughter, right?
07:04You pushed me into the baby's cot so I went to a refuge.
07:08That is why, Matt, right?
07:09You've told a pack of lies to everyone.
07:11You saw your kids August, didn't you?
07:13You slept with me like three times.
07:16Did you not?
07:17Vicky, welcome to the show.
07:17How are you?
07:19Sorry.
07:21I didn't know, and it just came out there, that you had to go into a refuge.
07:24Why was that?
07:25Because he pushed me into a baby's cot when I was two days due with her.
07:29Is that true?
07:30No, it's not true.
07:32We had no argument that day.
07:33Did you ever push her about?
07:34Never.
07:35Okay.
07:36I don't think I've ever, ever in my life in doing this show thought that I would have
07:39somebody on who gave birth two days ago.
07:41Fair play to you for being here.
07:42This man says, and I quote,
07:45she broke up with me, beautiful kid by the way, she broke up with me,
07:48and she has systematically cut me out of these children's lives.
07:52The young child there, he says he didn't even know you were pregnant when you split.
07:56He thinks you had sex with somebody else.
07:58He doubts paternity.
07:590.5% only in his mind is he the father.
08:02What's your answer to that?
08:03I know who I've slept with, and it's just been him, unfortunately.
08:07Why don't you tell him the age, the time the baby was born, the weight, the name,
08:10because you said you didn't know anything.
08:12I don't know nothing.
08:12Why would you, when you denied that I was either pregnant,
08:16or that it's certainly not yours, why would I let you into my life then?
08:20Right?
08:20And then you're there sending me messages saying that you basically want to get back
08:23with me and that you won't go.
08:24Is that baby his?
08:26100%.
08:26And the one before his is.
08:28Why don't you believe that then?
08:29Because of the things that have happened.
08:31Because of some guy in America.
08:33I can't have friends, right?
08:35Who was you talking to?
08:36How many girls were you talking to on your phone?
08:39You, right?
08:40We go up to my sister's, yeah? And you're there on your phone rather than paying attention to your
08:45kids that you haven't seen for a good four months.
08:47Can I ask about the man in America?
08:48What are you doing with the man in America?
08:49How does that work then?
08:50Is that an online thing?
08:51Oh, apparently so.
08:53Apparently we're getting it on and like the baby's his and stuff.
08:56That would be an interesting conception all the way from America.
08:59Yeah, people have told me that, haven't they Matthew?
09:01I've had this great figure.
09:02I had this great figure.
09:03Are you genuinely somebody who has been stopped from seeing his kids?
09:06Yes, I have.
09:06Or with the greatest respect, don't take this the wrong way, are you a bit of a sap
09:09who hasn't made enough effort and is basically crying wolf now?
09:12What's the truth?
09:13No, I have tried everything to see my kids and the only way I'm allowed to see my kids.
09:16You wasn't in hospital when I asked him to see them.
09:18The only way I'm allowed to see my kids is...
09:21But you're a bit of a wimp, aren't you, to be honest?
09:23No, the only way I'm allowed to see my kids...
09:24Okay, all right, let's just do it then, shall we?
09:27She's been on the stage five minutes and you haven't asked about the child,
09:30the name, the birth, anything.
09:31You haven't asked her.
09:32I'd want to know what the kid was called.
09:34You haven't asked her.
09:36Where's this baby called?
09:37I might have to tell you that.
09:40Stop doing the hurt face, mate.
09:41It doesn't wash with me.
09:43You should be asking her.
09:44She gave birth three days ago.
09:46What's this baby called?
09:47I don't even know nothing.
09:48You haven't even told me anything.
09:49Well, do you even want to know?
09:51I would like to know if it does turn out...
09:52What's the baby called?
09:53Jinxy.
09:54She's got your surname, unfortunately.
09:57Who's Bridie?
09:58My sister.
09:59Let's get Bridie the sister on the show.
10:08When was last time you saw your children, truthfully?
10:12Bloom Fiesta.
10:13How about August and a couple of times apart?
10:17Yes!
10:18I haven't actually been able to have proper contact with my kids.
10:21Did you leave them?
10:22Did you pick them up?
10:22I wasn't allowed to spend a proper time with them, Bridie.
10:25Why am I going to miss you?
10:26What were you doing?
10:27You were busy on your phone.
10:29Then you were there to see your kids.
10:30Smoking with Alex on your shoulders like a big daddy you are.
10:33You're...
10:34Hello.
10:38How are you?
10:38Hi.
10:39I'm fine, thank you.
10:40Your sister, two separate sides to this story.
10:43We've got him saying, oh, my ex-girlfriend didn't tell me she was pregnant.
10:47She went, let me see the kids.
10:48Lies.
10:48As soon as she found out, he knew before I did.
10:51I didn't even know that she was pregnant.
10:52You told me, oh, guess what she's saying.
10:56And I'm like, what, is she saying she's pregnant?
10:59Yes, she is.
11:00Is the child, are the two youngest kids his?
11:02All of them are, a million percent.
11:04So he hasn't been any sort of dad at all, but she finished with him.
11:07But what you're saying is, since she did that, he's made no effort with the kids.
11:10Not really, no.
11:11She's invited him.
11:12I'm not allowed to have contact with my kids on my own.
11:14Shut up.
11:15Shut up.
11:16Nobody's interested.
11:17Why would I let you?
11:19Look at you.
11:19Why are you not allowed to see your kids on your own?
11:21Any man would stand up and say, I'm not dealing with that rubbish.
11:24They're my kids.
11:24I want to see them.
11:25I'm taking no for an answer.
11:26What's the matter with you, man?
11:27I'm trying to do everything I can.
11:28Who's Cassie?
11:30My partner.
11:31Oh, you've got a new girlfriend.
11:32Did you have to make much effort?
11:33He cheated on her.
11:34Pardon?
11:34He cheated on her with her when he came up to the balloon fiesta.
11:38I had her kids so they too could have some privacy.
11:41Where are you going?
11:43Come on, come on, come on.
11:44Where are you going?
11:45Follow me now.
11:48Where are you going?
11:49Where are you going?
11:51You can't just run away.
11:54I don't know.
11:55We're trying to keep running away from them more like getting into trouble.
11:59Are you Cassie?
11:59Yep.
12:00So you're with him?
12:01Yep.
12:01How did you meet him online?
12:02Yep.
12:03Yep.
12:05Brilliant.
12:05Why?
12:06Sorry, you can't do this, mate.
12:08I have tried everything.
12:09Then stop running away.
12:10Grow a pair and stop being a snibbly little creep who won't stand up for what's right.
12:15Get out there now and take your girlfriend with you.
12:17Out.
12:18Go.
12:19What do you want?
12:27I want to be able to have regular contact with my kids.
12:29And why do you think that isn't happening?
12:31Because I'm not being able to be a dad.
12:33Cassie won't.
12:34How?
12:34Why did you not turn up when Vicky was going to take them for their birthday?
12:38Why did you not turn up?
12:40I had a panic.
12:41No, I had a panic attack.
12:42When she's poorly, who asked the kids for her?
12:45So what?
12:46A panic attack?
12:46Get over it.
12:47I was actually in hospital.
12:49Not when he might have made you isn't.
12:50He did go in hospital, actually.
12:52Yeah, he went in for a check-up and they sent him back home.
12:55No, he didn't go in for a check-up.
12:56He went for four ECGs and a two...
12:58Can we talk?
12:58Sorry, there is a point.
12:59There is a point in all this madness.
13:01You're his girlfriend.
13:02You met him online.
13:03Somebody dropped in before we came to you or you, whatever.
13:06He ran off squealing that he had sex with her and cheated on you.
13:09Yeah, he's already told me that.
13:10I'm fine with that.
13:11Everybody has two chances, don't they?
13:13Well, that's okay then.
13:14Why the hell did I bring it up?
13:15Let's just fall asleep with everybody else.
13:16What's the point?
13:18Why did you sleep with him?
13:19You don't even like him.
13:20What's the matter with you?
13:21He's just good in bed.
13:25That's all you're using for, man.
13:27Yes, it was, actually.
13:28Oh, no, because he doesn't have the tight end, apparently.
13:30You're saying he should even be here anyway, right?
13:33What have you got?
13:34What do you want with my children?
13:35I emailed the space, actually.
13:38You emailed?
13:39So you couldn't even lift up the phone and phone them?
13:42You had to get...
13:43I didn't even know where to start.
13:44How long have you been with her?
13:45Three months.
13:46Two months.
13:46And they're living together.
13:48They moved in within two weeks.
13:49All right, you sound jealous now.
13:51She is jealous, that's why.
13:52A lot of people go up in balloons in Bristol, right?
13:55You go and see her and you have...
13:57How long had you been with her when you had sex with her, Don Juan?
13:59How long was that for?
14:00About a week.
14:02Oh, been a week.
14:03Oh, she told me two days, darling.
14:05And what about you, Cassie?
14:06Why are you prepared to forgive him for having sex with her?
14:09Because I love him.
14:10After a couple of months.
14:12Do you think he loved you as he was having...
14:13Well, I think he managed to have a kid with him within a year, so...
14:16Is that your plan?
14:17Are you going to have a kid?
14:18Are you trying for kids?
14:19Mr. America is slightly irrelevant, isn't he?
14:31The fact of the matter is, right?
14:33You came here because you said, and I quote,
14:35I want to see these kids and I want to know the truth.
14:38I do want to know the truth.
14:39I do want to see my kids.
14:41Why don't you think the one-year-old's yours?
14:43Because of things that have happened.
14:44What?
14:45Because she had her...
14:47No, she didn't, you lie in little weeds.
14:49So you're telling me she wasn't taking some bloke from Wales or a country somewhere?
14:55That is what we're talking about.
14:56A one-year-old and a three-day-old baby.
14:58Everything else is trivial.
14:59That is all that matters.
15:01What about the emails we've got?
15:03What's the bloody America got to do with it?
15:06Because it's Michael saying to Vicky that he loved her.
15:09Oh, my God.
15:10And that Michael said that you think that...
15:12Oh, what about the time he was saying that he wants to...
15:15Someone that works up in Shepton's Tesco's there?
15:17Well, there you go then.
15:19And you're saying he's a bad dad and then I was going right.
15:22Excuse me.
15:23What relevance is it to the kids?
15:24I'm talking to you.
15:26I'm talking to you.
15:27What relevance is it to the kids?
15:28And what do you want with the kids then?
15:30Why have you butted in?
15:31You say he's a bad dad and I'm sorry.
15:33No, I haven't.
15:34Have I?
15:34Yes, you have.
15:35I told them to come and tell the kids.
15:36I'm going to have a breakdown.
15:37No, I told them.
15:38Come down, meet me.
15:40And what?
15:41Five pounds every two weeks for one child is enough, is it?
15:45Did I not?
15:46Who did that?
15:46Did I not?
15:48Did I not send you them emails?
15:50Yeah.
15:51You had your leg amputated, right?
15:53Yeah.
15:53She was nicking off you.
15:55It's not even hundreds or ten pounds.
15:57It's thousands.
15:58But where have I learnt you from then, Jim?
15:59Where have I learnt you from?
16:00Well, you...
16:01Well, you...
16:02Thank you very much indeed.
16:10Welcome back.
16:11Before the break, I was talking to Matt, Vicky, Bridie and Cassie.
16:14Can I just get back to where we're at?
16:16There are two children.
16:17Can you put them up on the screen, please, Matt?
16:18A child of a year, a child of three precious days.
16:22You have not seen these children at all.
16:25The one that was born three days ago, you didn't know when it was born, what it weighed,
16:29you didn't know what it was called.
16:30This beautiful child you haven't seen since February.
16:33Nearly ten months.
16:34Now, you can come out...
16:35All right, you can come out here, you can come out here and you can do all this,
16:39but I don't see the passion, pal.
16:41Most people tuning into this, if they hadn't seen their child for a long, long time,
16:45they would do anything.
16:46You strike me, and Cassie, maybe you need to speak as well.
16:49You just strike me, I'm afraid, as somebody who's going to make an excuse.
16:51I'm scared, I'm scared that to...
16:53Scared of what?
16:54Scared if it's not mine.
16:56Oh, really?
16:56Look at that child, it is yours.
16:58Look at it, properly.
17:00Why didn't you do the DNA test on the one-year-old ten months ago?
17:03I tried, I actually spoke to CSA about it, and they said,
17:07sorry, we can't do it, because your name's on the birth certificate.
17:09Liar.
17:10Well, we don't know if that's true, then.
17:11And you can't get a job, because you're in a rural area,
17:13but you managed to go online and meet a new woman.
17:15And he gets a voluntary job, fine.
17:18I'm doing voluntary work, because actually, there is actually no job trying to,
17:21and I'm looking at moving away.
17:22Oh, that's what you keep saying, I'm fed off of hearing it, Matt.
17:25If you don't be a dad, be a dad.
17:25What are you going to do if these kids are yours?
17:27How are you going to support them?
17:28I'm not decrying voluntary work at all.
17:30A fantastic thing done by a lot of people.
17:33But don't tell me in a rural community there isn't something that you can go and do.
17:36No, there isn't.
17:36Well, they're moved, because if these are your kids, you're going to have to support them.
17:40That is what I'm planning on doing.
17:41You're one of those people that makes excuses, my friend.
17:43You better apologise, something chronic when they come back is your kid's mind.
17:48Do you believe these kids are his?
17:50And actually, how old are you, Matt?
17:51Twenty-two.
17:52So you could end up with three children.
17:54The three-year-old is definitely yours.
17:56The second one, the one-year-old.
17:58What's the name of the one-year-old?
17:59Faith.
18:00That's Faith.
18:00The DNA testers don't show that Matt, Faith is your child.
18:04You are the biological father, they are.
18:07One year's and eight.
18:08What do you want to say?
18:09It is a people's child.
18:11It's not a doubt that.
18:12I haven't seen that.
18:13Faith for a child.
18:14What?
18:14Five pounds every two weeks for one child is enough, is it?
18:18What is it?
18:19Is it formula?
18:20Is it nappies?
18:21No, it's stretched to it.
18:22Does the one walk out and left all the children's stuff?
18:25And took your own stuff?
18:27If you could take it, she wouldn't take it back.
18:29I put the moose's basket.
18:30I asked him to help me that long.
18:32The toddler's bread.
18:32All of Alex's toys.
18:33I don't need the cot, do I?
18:35You asked me what they said.
18:37Should we do the other DNA test result?
18:39One year's of age, you could have done more.
18:41Reaction to that?
18:43I know I could have done more.
18:43I've tried.
18:44Reaction to it.
18:45Oh, no Matt, just a minute ago, you were like, I'm dad of the year.
18:47You are, do you know what?
18:48You are just like...
18:49You said he's a bad dad and then I was like...
18:50I haven't said he's a bad dad.
18:52I've tried being a bad dad.
18:53Don't you?
18:54I've tried to.
18:55You don't like your dad.
18:56I've tried to.
18:57He's a bad dad.
18:59Yes, you are.
19:00I tried to get you to see your children.
19:02You will not let me see them.
19:03Did I not send you emails saying come and meet your kids on their birthdays?
19:07Who said I not?
19:08Who said I not?
19:09Oh, yes.
19:10Did I not send you them emails?
19:12Yeah, and I said to you, I found you had chest pains so I could actually move off the sofa.
19:16You have an awful lot of chest pains, don't you?
19:18No, I had a panic attack, literally.
19:20The DNA test, don't shut everybody be quiet.
19:23This is on the three-day-old baby.
19:27Three days, look at that, beautiful child.
19:28Spit in the middle of me as well.
19:30Yeah, Faith was the same age when he took over to the fair with no blanket.
19:34Wasn't that right?
19:35The DNA test results show that Matt, that is your biological child as well.
19:500.5% is it?
19:520.5% is it?
19:530.5% is it?
19:55Do you know what?
19:57I'm sick and tired of hearing your girlfriend speak to you.
20:00I'm sick and tired of the false look of fear in your eyes.
20:02You have got three kids at 22.
20:05So put aside all your damn excuses and start by apologizing to that lady for the fact that
20:10you were here saying, that beautiful child, 0.5% is yours.
20:15Where have you been?
20:16I wasn't able to be involved.
20:17Throw a pen.
20:18I wasn't able to be involved.
20:20Stop taking no for an answer and get off your backside and do something about it.
20:22That's what you should do.
20:23Easily.
20:25Come on.
20:27I'm sorry that I didn't believe you.
20:29I'm not giving that.
20:30I'm doing the pregnancy.
20:31I'm either not pregnant or it's definitely not yours.
20:33What about talking about...
20:34Be quiet a minute.
20:35Be quiet.
20:36Come on.
20:37I'm sorry.
20:38Oh, God.
20:39You know what?
20:40You really annoy me because you're a sack.
20:41Why not?
20:42I wish I was involved with the kids more.
20:44But I haven't been able to.
20:45He is the father of your three children.
20:46I actually...
20:48No, fair play.
20:49Alright, it's okay.
20:50The kids, he's never sick.
20:51Well, he hasn't seen the one-year-old for ten months.
20:53The baby, he's never seen.
20:55Would you be happy for him to see these children?
20:57Yeah, you can come backstage.
20:58Not her.
20:59Come on.
21:00Oh, she didn't do that.
21:01What is wrong with you?
21:02Well, where's he going?
21:04That way.
21:06I've never met anybody so completely lacking in oomph.
21:11I'm scared.
21:12Scared?
21:13Just one second, right?
21:14Just one second.
21:15Right?
21:16I'm scared about what was going to come back because I didn't want to get...
21:19Mate, can I say something really calmly?
21:22Stop making excuses.
21:24I'm scared.
21:25I can't do this.
21:26I can't do that.
21:27You've got three...
21:28No.
21:29If I had three kids, I'd grab myself and go,
21:31Do you know what?
21:32It's about time I stopped finding excuses and went in there.
21:34The minute you go through that door, hear me out, right?
21:36They want a man to be some sort of damn role model.
21:38You know all the time you're online and all that stuff.
21:40I'm not sure.
21:41Use some of that energy to go in that room and try and be a dad for the first time in your life.
21:44Go.
21:45And you.
21:46Thanks a lot, sweetheart.
21:47Unbelievable.
21:57Three days, Debs.
21:58That's the youngest ever, isn't it?
22:00I mean, you haven't seen this child.
22:03No.
22:04What does that mean?
22:05It means the world.
22:07But you know what?
22:09These kids, they're not interested in what we're on.
22:11No.
22:12They're interested in, can their mum and dad be there for them?
22:16Be grown-ups.
22:17You've got to stop making excuses and make a commitment to these.
22:20It's beautiful.
22:21There are people watching this that can't have kids.
22:23And you're giving it away?
22:260.5?
22:27Watch the baby's head.
22:29What are you going to say to your baby?
22:34Sorry, I haven't been there for you, felt the scans and everything.
22:38I'm going to do everything I can to make it up to you.
22:41That's all that you need to do, mate.
22:43It's not going to be easy, but you can do it.
22:45They don't want anything other.
22:47Look at me.
22:48And consistent contact with their dad.
22:50Of course, Molly's important.
22:51What do you want to do?
22:52Mate, mate, just please.
22:54Just don't make any more excuses.
22:56Because this is a very, very important point in your life.
22:59And if you mess this up, you'll regret it.
23:00Look.
23:01You can't sleep straight away.
23:02You've got it.
23:03You can make this work.
23:04You two have got to work down together.
23:06Well, it's a couple.
23:08Let's put it in.
23:09All right?
23:10Yes?
23:11Yes.
23:12Wish you the best of luck.
23:13We'll let you know.
23:14Thanks for coming on.
23:16High five, Faith.
23:17Nice to meet you.
23:18Gorgeous.
23:19Beautiful, beautiful baby.
23:20Wish you the best of luck, guys.
23:22Well, you know, I've said it so many times before on this show.
23:25You can only say to people, look, there's the truth.
23:27This is your child.
23:28This isn't your child.
23:29That's the truth.
23:30That isn't the truth.
23:31We'll work with them.
23:32It just strikes me as one of those people that will make an excuse.
23:34But you've got to stop doubting yourself and you've got to say, do you know what?
23:37This is my life.
23:38This is my reality right now.
23:39I've got three kids at 22.
23:41I'm going to do whatever I can to be a dad.
23:43We'll let you know.
23:44And after this break, a woman on stage who claims her own daughter stole from her while
23:47she was in hospital.
23:48Not going away with my friends because I'm right back.
23:50And at 27, to be nicking your mother's bank card when she's having her leg amputated
23:55is one of the lowest things I've ever heard on this show.
23:58Fact.
23:59I did loads for you.
24:00I was the perfect daughter.
24:01She did.
24:02And then you kicked me out.
24:03You kicked me out.
24:04Why did you come here?
24:05Because I wanted to see my daughter.
24:06Tell her then.
24:07I want to see my daughter some.
24:09Not a son.
24:17Thank you very much indeed.
24:18Welcome back.
24:19The next guest today, Sharon is here to confront daughter Louise, whom she claims has been
24:22stealing from her since this girl was a teenager.
24:24Now, Sharon says that Louise even tried to steal from her when she was recently in hospital
24:29having a major, major operation.
24:30She's here today to ask daughter Louise to get the help she needs before her thieving
24:34and lies.
24:35Literally, says Sharon, tear this family apart.
24:37Already on the stage.
24:38Sharon, ladies and gentlemen.
24:39Give her a round of applause.
24:40How are you going?
24:41You all right?
24:42Absolutely.
24:43You okay?
24:44Yeah.
24:45Um.
24:46You get all those people that comes on the show and you say, you know what?
24:49My daughter's behaviour is not great.
24:51She needs help and that's why I'm here.
24:53You say it can't go on.
24:55This girl's 27.
24:57What's going on?
24:58What do we know?
24:59How far ago did it start?
25:00What's the problem?
25:01I think it started when she was about 16.
25:06What did?
25:07Um.
25:08Taken from me and my husband.
25:10What?
25:11Just little things from the house to start with or what?
25:13Uh.
25:14Mainly gold.
25:15And money.
25:16And isn't it true that she would pawn the jewelry?
25:20Yes, she would pawn.
25:22And what did you do?
25:23What did you say?
25:24How did you deal with it?
25:25A couple of weeks later we found out.
25:28Um.
25:29And then we knew it was Louise.
25:31So we asked her and she used to say no.
25:34Did you punish her?
25:35Um.
25:36Um.
25:37I threw her out.
25:38When she was 16.
25:39When she was 16.
25:40But I didn't actually throw her out on the street.
25:43My mum said.
25:44Let me take Louise.
25:45Let me see if I can help her.
25:46And my mum took her in for me.
25:47And what about now?
25:48I mean there's this horrible accusation.
25:49Can I just point this out.
25:50That whilst you were in hospital recently.
25:51Serious, serious operation.
25:52I mean.
25:53You had your leg amputated right?
25:54Yeah.
25:55Yeah.
25:56She was nicking off you.
25:57Yeah, she was.
25:58What was she stealing?
25:59Um.
26:00She took my bank card.
26:01I left.
26:02I left it at home.
26:03Um.
26:04How does that make you feel?
26:05Um.
26:06Um.
26:07She took my bank card.
26:08I left.
26:09I left it at home.
26:10Um.
26:11How does that make you feel?
26:12Um.
26:13I left.
26:14I left it at home.
26:15Um.
26:16And.
26:17How does that make you feel?
26:18Oh.
26:19Very upset.
26:20I just want to know why.
26:22You ever asked her?
26:23She's done.
26:24Not really, no.
26:25We.
26:26We.
26:27I did wanna.
26:28Do keep asking her if we could sit down on our own.
26:30You said something really sweet to my team.
26:31You said I want my family back.
26:32But I can't accept a girl that you know.
26:34I've given birth to Nikki enough.
26:35I mean.
26:36Not in that predicament or any other.
26:37She has a different story to tell.
26:38I want to get you two together.
26:39Yeah.
26:40I want you all to talk about this.
26:41It's the most important thing.
26:42Yeah.
26:43Shall we get her out?
26:44Yeah.
26:45I know I've done wrong.
26:46I have done wrong.
26:47I have done wrong.
26:48I have done wrong.
26:49Mum.
26:50But I've also seen you, Nick, as well.
26:51Haven't I?
26:52Yeah.
26:53Yeah.
26:54Yeah.
26:55I was kicked out at 16.
26:56Sorry.
26:57Sorry.
26:58Rewind.
26:59I've seen my mum, Nick, as well.
27:00When did you do that?
27:01Um.
27:02Not.
27:03Yeah.
27:04I've seen her.
27:05Not Nick.
27:06It wasn't actually.
27:07I wasn't actually stealing.
27:08I used to put the nappies on my pushchair.
27:09Yeah.
27:10And I used to forget.
27:11But I wasn't actually.
27:12So you saw your mother shoplifting when you were a kid?
27:14I did.
27:15Not all the time.
27:16I've never seen my mum shoplift all the time.
27:17I wasn't taking time.
27:18Justify nicking your mother's bank card.
27:19Does it from when she's in hospital having a leg amputated?
27:20No, it doesn't.
27:21No, it doesn't.
27:22No, it doesn't.
27:23No, it doesn't.
27:24But you were also going to be a guarantor on a loan with me, weren't you?
27:29Yeah.
27:30And you said, don't let your father know.
27:31Well, she was having her leg amputated.
27:32Why are you nicking her bank card?
27:33Answer the question.
27:34Answer the question.
27:35There was bank details.
27:36Why would you do that to your mother?
27:37Answer the question.
27:38Well, I'm sorry for what I did.
27:39I am sorry for what I did.
27:40But you've been nicking for 10 years.
27:41I shouldn't have thought of what I did.
27:42I shouldn't have thought of what I did.
27:43You're 27.
27:44But where have I learned it from then, Jeremy?
27:45Where have I learned it from?
27:46Well, I'm not saying that at all.
27:47But at 27 years of age, there's two ways of going, right?
27:48Yeah, there is.
27:49I've done this long enough to know.
27:50It's either people who go, oh, my childhood was rubbish and that's why my life's messed
27:51up.
27:52Or you look at it and go, do you know what?
27:53I didn't learn an awful lot.
27:54I'm going to be a better person.
27:55At 27, to be nicking your mother's bank card when she's having her leg amputated is one
28:10of the lowest things I've ever heard on this show.
28:11Fact.
28:12However you dress it up.
28:13You weren't nicking your bank cards anyway.
28:15You took it.
28:16You took it and you blamed it onto Tracy.
28:17You took it and you blamed it onto Tracy.
28:18You took it and you blamed it onto Tracy.
28:19No, your details were on a loan guarantee.
28:21I had a pumpkin guarantee for a 50 pound out of my basement.
28:22Your details were on a loan guarantee.
28:23Do you know what?
28:24I read this morning that did my, I mean this is why it sounded like kindergarten rubbish to
28:27me.
28:28You said and I quote, Dean and Tracy, my brother and sister, get treated differently.
28:32I'm the black sheep.
28:33If they want something, they get it.
28:34You're 27 going, earn it.
28:35What about the other two then?
28:37What about the other two?
28:38What about your two?
28:39What about the other two?
28:40Two grand, Dean has two grand off of my dad and he gets money off of him.
28:45Do you feel like you don't get a look in like they do, right?
28:49No.
28:50You've had it all.
28:51Dean has nicked.
28:52Great.
28:53What a lovely family.
28:54Should we get him out?
28:55Did he get kicked out 16 years of eight?
28:56Did he?
28:57Did he get kicked out?
28:58Let's get Dean on the show later, Jimmy.
28:59Nick's as well.
29:00He's coming out.
29:01He's coming out.
29:02He's coming out.
29:03He's coming out.
29:04He's coming out.
29:05He's coming out.
29:06So what was this?
29:07Most people went to school to learn to read and write and your family went to school
29:10and learned to nick?
29:11No, mate.
29:12Then why do you nick as well?
29:13I did nick, mate.
29:14You did?
29:15The story behind that, obviously, if you let me finish, yeah.
29:18We come back one night off my son's christening.
29:20I needed a cab to get home.
29:22Everyone was in bed.
29:23I saw a tenner.
29:24I thought, you know, I'll put a tag tenner on and I'll put it in the next day.
29:26All right?
29:27Did you ever see your mother steal when you were growing up?
29:29Sorry?
29:30Did you ever steal your...
29:31No, no, I've never stole her.
29:32I work.
29:33No, she'd seen me.
29:34Oh, no, Mum.
29:35No, mate.
29:36So what is Louise like, then?
29:37Is she this girl that steals and lies?
29:39Is your mum right?
29:40Oh, yeah, she does steal, yeah.
29:41Why are you laughing?
29:42Because it's just, yeah.
29:43How long has it been going on for?
29:44Well, obviously, she's done it when she's younger.
29:46I mean, it stopped for a while.
29:47She grew up and got kidnapped and it just started recently again for the past few years.
29:51You can't do that to your own family.
29:53You've nicked as well, Dean.
29:54No, no, no.
29:55You've nicked as well.
29:56I didn't nicked.
29:57You have nicked.
29:58Well, so we never took the money.
29:59So where was the lie detector test?
30:00Let me finish.
30:01Let me finish, yeah.
30:02The two pound coins that you nicked.
30:03Forget that.
30:04You stole your mothers.
30:05But what is this?
30:06Tit for tat?
30:07I blame everyone else.
30:10I blame everyone else.
30:11I blame everyone else.
30:12All of you.
30:13Anybody who's ever stolen anything is wrong.
30:15We was meant to be coming on here for a lie detector.
30:18You're not answering the question.
30:19What?
30:20There's no point in doing a lie detector test when you walked out and said, yes, I nicked
30:24the bank card.
30:25What do you think this is?
30:26The fact is.
30:27Yeah, but for him as well, because he's done it and all.
30:29Justin's done it as well.
30:30But I'm the only one that needs help.
30:32I am the only one that needs help.
30:34Hey, Lou.
30:35Have you even apologized for him?
30:36No, I have.
30:37I've come out and I've said another I've done wrong and I'm so dead.
30:39Right, let's just flip it round.
30:40She feels like she's always the one that's picked on.
30:42Yeah.
30:43She's always the one that's blamed.
30:44Yeah.
30:45It's not Jeremy, honestly.
30:46It is.
30:47We were kids.
30:48One at a time.
30:49She's had more than Dean and Tracy.
30:51Or maybe it's Spalter, right?
30:52I have.
30:53Yeah, she has Spalter.
30:54That's what my husband said.
30:55Is that you, Colin, in the audience?
30:56My lovely husband, yeah.
30:57What is this like?
30:58Watching the...
30:59I mean, this is sort of...
31:00Everybody seems to be a thief.
31:01It's unbelievable.
31:02I mean, he's admitted to a ten pound he took and that's the one-off time I...
31:08Oi, oi, listen.
31:09He's speaking about Louise.
31:10Tell me.
31:11Listen to your dad.
31:12It's been going...
31:13When she was younger, she was stealing gold and everything.
31:16There was a break when she met up with a fellow and had our grandson.
31:20Yeah.
31:21But then she split up for him and it seems to have started up again.
31:26Just taking cash from the house.
31:28What do you want to say to your daughter?
31:30I'm disgusted.
31:31I really am disgusted.
31:32I think it's the lowest of the low when you started taking when your mum was in hospital.
31:36He doesn't even want you in his house because he doesn't trust you.
31:39No, I won't be in his house then.
31:40Then why should they guarantee?
31:42I know, isn't it?
31:43I'm not in his house and I can't nick from him, can I?
31:45You're not even...
31:46Are you not embarrassed about...
31:47Yeah, I am embarrassed.
31:48Yeah, I am embarrassed.
31:49I've come on this show and I've admitted to what I've done.
31:52Yeah, that's fine.
31:53And then you go, but e-nicked it, e-nicked it.
31:55Yeah, because he has.
31:56Because I'm not the only one that needs to help.
31:57And Tracey.
31:58I'm not the only one that needs to help.
31:59I'm blaming Tracey.
32:00Is Tracey a thief?
32:01Let's get Tracey on the show.
32:02She's coming out.
32:03Younger sister.
32:04She's on as well.
32:09Trace, welcome to the show.
32:10Yeah, you came out and you said you did it, but the remorse is missing.
32:13What's the truth here, Trace?
32:14Help me out.
32:15Well, it's just disgusting.
32:17It's been thousands of pounds over the years.
32:20It's not even hundreds or ten pounds.
32:22It's thousands.
32:23It just needs to stop and we need to know why she's actually doing it.
32:27Answer your sister.
32:28Answer your sister.
32:29Well, I got kicked out when I was 16.
32:31I don't have my family with me.
32:32I don't have my family with me.
32:33I don't have my family with me.
32:34Oi, oi, oi.
32:35My mum never been there.
32:36Is that an excuse to be a thief?
32:37I went for ****.
32:38Who was there for me then?
32:39Yeah, you did.
32:40Who was there for me then?
32:41Excuse me.
32:42We was there for you, Louise.
32:43Excuse me.
32:44Let's just flip it.
32:45Always try and flip it.
32:46Why nine weeks ago did you go on a family holiday and she was the only one that didn't
32:48go?
32:49Because we didn't want them there.
32:50Yeah, because I didn't.
32:51Why didn't you want them there?
32:52We didn't want them there because we just, Colin wasn't happy her being there.
32:57We actually, she was due to come along on holiday with us but because of the situation
33:02they weren't getting on, brothers and sisters, it was either losing one from the holiday or
33:07losing the whole family.
33:08Can I say something to you, right?
33:09Because we'll get through to each other eventually.
33:11Listen to me.
33:12Let me take you aside a minute and say that you thought it was unfair to be thrown out at
33:1616.
33:17You've always felt like the outsider.
33:18You've always felt like the imperfection and you've probably done a lot to score points,
33:23right?
33:24Yeah.
33:25Some of the things that you've taken from the family home have been to get back at
33:28them.
33:29Well, yeah.
33:30Here's my point.
33:31Here's my point.
33:32If I take your side, why wouldn't you go, be a great mum, not break the law.
33:39I am a great mum.
33:40She's a good mum.
33:41Listen, make a success, not if you steal things you're not.
33:43No, I'm a brilliant mum.
33:44So why isn't that enough for you to go, right, you know what?
33:47I'm not going to be involved in some game to prove that I'm the black sheep and they
33:50could have been nicer to me.
33:51I'm going to get their respect in a different way.
33:53I'm going to concentrate on being a mum.
33:54I'm going to not break the law.
33:55I'm going to build a life for me.
33:56If they don't want to take me on holiday, fine.
33:58Instead of feeling bad about that and reacting in the wrong way, which is stealing, I'm going
34:03to show them back.
34:04You can't.
34:05What I'm saying to you is I'm not saying he hasn't done stuff and she's definitely done
34:07stuff.
34:08I'm not saying.
34:09And by the way, I have to say this to you.
34:10You can't expect your children.
34:12No, no.
34:13But, you know, I've never seen my mother shoplift.
34:15I do believe that.
34:16A lot of what we learn.
34:18A lot of things put in bed or nothing like that.
34:20A lot of our behaviour is learnt.
34:22All I'm saying is you cannot use that as an excuse.
34:25Why don't you want to make your life better to show them in a different way?
34:30That's what I'm saying to you.
34:31Do you understand?
34:32To me, all of this is point scoring.
34:34In her mind, and she's been, by her own words, a toe rag, right?
34:38But at 16, she was the one that was shoved out.
34:41At 16, she was the one whose mother didn't speak to her for seven months.
34:44Now, whether that was justifiable or not, it's pretty deep-seated.
34:47Tell her, truthfully for the first time, rather than nick it off her,
34:51tell her what that did.
34:52And tell her that most of what you've done has been because of that.
34:55That's what you need to do.
34:56Is it?
34:57Nobody else speak.
34:58Listen to her.
34:59Yeah?
35:00Was it?
35:01I've only ever wanted you, Mum.
35:02I've wanted love, cuddles.
35:03I used to, when I grew up, what was, do you know what I mean?
35:06You had a leopard charger.
35:07Yeah.
35:08I did loads for you.
35:09I was the perfect daughter.
35:10The perfect daughter.
35:11You used to look after me.
35:12I used to get up.
35:13I used to get everything.
35:14You did, you did.
35:15I used to do lunches.
35:16I used to do housework.
35:17I used to do the perfect daughter.
35:18Yeah.
35:19Yeah, up until I was 16, 15, 16.
35:21And I did one thing wrong, or a couple of things wrong.
35:23You've done a few things wrong.
35:24At the age of 16, I was still young.
35:25Still young.
35:26You was, yeah.
35:27Still learning.
35:28And then you kicked me out.
35:30You kicked me out.
35:31And it wasn't my nan's.
35:32It was in a hostel.
35:33You went to nanny.
35:34I went into a hostel.
35:35So I did not go into a hostel, Mum.
35:37That was weeks later.
35:38You went to your nan's or a hostel?
35:39She went to my mum's.
35:40Well, I might have gone to my mum's first or something.
35:42But I did go to a hostel.
35:43For a couple of weeks, you went to a nanny.
35:44I went to a hostel.
35:45Then afterwards, they got you.
35:47Because they, my mum.
35:48Can we cut to the chase, though?
35:49Yes.
35:50You felt at that moment that you were being unfairly punished.
35:53Oh, yeah.
35:54I was 16.
35:55You admit you did wrong.
35:56You're still growing up at 16.
35:57So, do you admit that a lot of your...
35:58You learned from your parents.
35:59I didn't learn from my parents.
36:00My nan bought me up most of the time.
36:01And I learned from everyone else in hostels and things like that.
36:03I bought you up and your dad...
36:05What about the last ten years?
36:07Your quite...
36:08Nanny has bought you up now.
36:09Your behaviour, which is not acceptable, whatever your upbringing,
36:12has been a result of what?
36:14Trying to have a go back at them?
36:15Tell them the truth.
36:17Is it...
36:18Do you hate me and your dad that much?
36:20I don't hate you, no.
36:21But I just want to be included in your family.
36:23Can I ask you a question, Colin?
36:25I want to be included in your family, sorry.
36:27One sec.
36:28You looked quite cynical when we were doing that.
36:30Just put yourself in that position.
36:3216, you make a mistake, you get chucked out.
36:34Do you understand where she's coming from or not?
36:36Yeah, getting thrown at 16...
36:39It wasn't...
36:40No, in her mind you understand.
36:42Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:43I don't accept, by the way, that 11 years of stealing
36:45and being a pain in the backside is acceptable,
36:48but there's probably a reason.
36:50What I'm saying is...
36:51Do you want to know what I think is very interesting?
36:52Did you know your wife used to steal things, by the way?
36:54Not actually steal as such.
36:57She did tell me at times when she went to the shop,
36:59she'd put one of these carry bag and nappies on the back
37:02and forgot to pay for it at times.
37:04I'm just saying, my mother's never done that,
37:06so I'm just saying.
37:07I'm not having a go.
37:08I'm just saying, to me...
37:09Do you know what I think?
37:10I think they're actually very, very similar.
37:12I think this girl has been...
37:13My mother always said that.
37:14Excuse me.
37:15I think you've been a complete pain in the backside.
37:16I think your stealing has absolutely no justification.
37:18I think until you stop that, apologise for that,
37:21acknowledge that that is totally wrong,
37:23you will never be allowed back in.
37:24But on the other hand,
37:25I think all she wants
37:27is to be integrated into a family.
37:29But it's obvious to me.
37:30They ain't going to integrate you unless she stopped nicking.
37:32You only get respect...
37:33I can't trust her, Jeremy.
37:34There you are.
37:35That's the word.
37:36I can't trust her in my home.
37:37You can sit there and say my past was this...
37:38I can't trust her.
37:39Until they can trust you, right?
37:40You ain't going to be allowed back.
37:41I can't trust these two.
37:42All right, leave those two out of it.
37:44But I actually think...
37:46No, no, I actually think...
37:47You're all right underneath.
37:48I don't think...
37:49I don't think...
37:50I'm not a horrible person.
37:51No, but I think what you've done...
37:52She's a good mum.
37:53I think what you've done is wrong.
37:54I'd like to...
37:55The way she's gone about it is wrong.
37:57Okay, so how many people in life go about things the wrong way?
38:00I do the whole time.
38:01What we're saying here is,
38:02if we could put her and her mum and you,
38:03not the other two for a sec, if that's all right,
38:05if we could just have this out in a controlled environment,
38:07you know, and just try and explain.
38:09You shouldn't be nicking off your parents.
38:11Don't even ever go there for me, right?
38:13You know, when she was having a leg amputation,
38:15you should have been in the hospital,
38:16holding her hand, making her feel good,
38:17not nicking a bank card.
38:18I did, I did.
38:19Can I make a suggestion?
38:20Because I actually like you, Dad,
38:21and I like your mum, and I like you,
38:22and I think this is really, really solvable.
38:23I think you have to sit with us and Graham,
38:25and I think we have to go through this,
38:26and we have to...
38:27All three of you have to listen to what the other one says,
38:28and it might make you angry,
38:29and I think you have to have this out in a controlled environment.
38:31Because, you know, it's fair to say you get one set of parents,
38:35right?
38:36You shouldn't be nicking,
38:37not even going to have it.
38:38I think there is deep-seated reasons why she's behaved like this.
38:40Will you do this?
38:41Yeah, definitely.
38:42Yeah, you?
38:43Yeah.
38:44Dad?
38:45Yes, definitely, yeah.
38:46All right, we will start that backstage.
38:47We'll leave you here.
38:48We'll go to a break and come in next.
38:49A father desperate for access to his three-month-old baby.
38:51I'm back after this.
38:52Don't go anywhere, my friends.
38:53I want to sit with daughter, Sam.
38:54She's been in hospital, yeah, for a week,
38:56because she stopped breathing twice.
38:57Where was her?
38:58Yeah?
38:59I didn't know that.
39:00Obviously you did.
39:01I didn't even know she was born.
39:12Thank you very much indeed.
39:13Welcome back.
39:14My next guest today, Rob is here to confront ex-Sam
39:16about access to their three-month-old daughter.
39:18Now, Rob admits that he made mistakes in his relationship with Sam,
39:21but claims he is now a changed man.
39:23He is desperate, he says, for her to give him one more chance
39:25to prove himself a father to their daughter.
39:28Good day for this guy.
39:29Rob is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
39:34How are you, pal?
39:36You all right?
39:37Yeah.
39:38So, here's the thing.
39:39You're with Sam for seven months,
39:40you've got a three-month-old daughter together,
39:42you're 37, she's 38,
39:43I read a lot about this this morning,
39:45and I keep saying to the producer,
39:46this guy keeps saying,
39:47please forgive me, let me see the baby,
39:50let's be a family.
39:51What is it that you did so wrong?
39:53Well, I did so wrong,
39:54I was just letting her down.
39:55How?
39:56Just letting her down, like, you know.
39:57I need specifics.
39:58Um, letting her down, like,
40:00thinking when she was, like, asking me to do things,
40:02I was, like, not doing it.
40:03You were lazy?
40:04Yeah, basically.
40:06You would arrange to meet her and then change your mind
40:09and not turn up?
40:10Yeah.
40:11Why was that?
40:12Because I was just, like...
40:13Selfish?
40:14Yeah.
40:15Cheated on her?
40:16No, I never cheated on her.
40:17Took drugs?
40:18No.
40:19I don't drink.
40:20Don't drink, you don't do drugs?
40:21No.
40:22Um, she says, and I quote,
40:23and I'm not going to mess you around,
40:24uh...
40:25I've had enough.
40:26He's a liar.
40:27He lies about everything.
40:28He's a waste of space.
40:29There she is.
40:30You'd make any damn excuse.
40:31I am sick to death of being let down.
40:34Is there any one thing,
40:35or is it just a general sort of apatheticness about you?
40:38What is it?
40:39I don't know.
40:40I want to see my daughter,
40:41because, like, something's happened in my life.
40:43My mum passed away,
40:45and I want to see my daughter.
40:47You know, that's what's made me realise to see my daughter.
40:49I want to see my daughter.
40:50You tell my team that since your mother passed away,
40:51sadly, it's changed your perspective of life.
40:53Yeah.
40:54It's changed how you feel about yourself and your life,
40:56but surely your daughter should have been as important to you
40:58before your mother died...
40:59Yes, she was.
41:00...than she is now.
41:02Yeah.
41:03She still is.
41:04You know, she means me like...
41:06You know, she's been my world.
41:07I love her to pieces.
41:08Have you seen her since she was born?
41:09Yeah, I've seen her a few times.
41:10Were you at the birth?
41:11No.
41:12You know, I'm not like most of the people when you speak to her.
41:14Do you...
41:15I'm not.
41:16Oh, yeah, granted, I've let her down.
41:18I've let her down.
41:19You're not like most people I speak to.
41:20You're on my show saying,
41:21my wife, my girlfriend doesn't think much of me,
41:23I haven't seen my kid, and I don't work.
41:25So you're exactly like most people.
41:27Let's get Sam on the Jeremy Show show that way,
41:29I wouldn't send him a name now.
41:35Oh, my God, I can't believe you.
41:37You said you tried.
41:38No, you haven't.
41:40How are you, love?
41:41Are you?
41:42Yeah, I am.
41:43I'm nervous.
41:44I have tried.
41:45No, you haven't, yeah?
41:46You've not been there for Sky.
41:48You've seen her three times, yeah?
41:50You've not even literally bothered.
41:51I live literally five minutes away from me, from him,
41:55and you can't even be bothered.
41:56Talk to him, not me, love.
41:57So come round.
41:58When my mum passed away.
42:00Yeah.
42:01I wanted, you know, a bit of hug off my baby,
42:03but did you say you took her off me?
42:05No, you're literally taking the piddle out of me, yeah?
42:08And my daughter, yeah?
42:09So many times you've like, literally...
42:11Are you saying that you've made plans with Rob
42:13and he's let you down?
42:14Yeah, every time he's let me down so many times.
42:17We've rung him, his phone's been off all the time.
42:21Could he have done more?
42:22Yeah.
42:23I'll admit it, I could have done more.
42:24Do you pay for the child?
42:25No.
42:26Why not?
42:27Why not?
42:28What do you think, it grows on trees?
42:30No, I've bought a couple of things.
42:32Oh, brilliant.
42:33Two outfits.
42:34One...
42:35But what do you expect me to say?
42:36People like you go, oh, I want to see my daughter.
42:38Seeing your daughter's not about showboating on national television.
42:41It's about four o'clock in the morning when she's got colic,
42:43when she needs a nappy put on her backside,
42:45when she needs money and she needs milk,
42:47and she needs love and consistency.
42:48You haven't been anywhere, have you?
42:50And another example of a man who comes in and says,
42:52oh, I've been stopped.
42:53I just...
42:54The problem I have, and if I'm being unfair, tell me, right?
42:56But if that was my kid, don't take this the wrong way,
42:58nothing she said or anybody else said would stop me
43:01from being in that kid's life.
43:03No lack of a job, moving away, whatever.
43:05That would be my commitment.
43:06I just look at you and I think, do you know what?
43:08You're another one who feels sorry for himself
43:10and possibly hasn't done enough, have you?
43:12Well...
43:13Have you?
43:14No, I haven't.
43:15Well, then she's going to have a view of you, isn't she?
43:17Well, yeah, she is.
43:18The only way it's going to change is by actions, not words.
43:21Well, actions is like being on air today.
43:23No, it's not.
43:24Yes, it is.
43:25No, it's not.
43:26So what is it?
43:27Well, I just wanted to show myself on TV.
43:28Why did you come here?
43:29Because I wanted to see my daughter.
43:30Tell her, then.
43:31I want to see my daughter, Sam.
43:33Yeah, but you've had that many...
43:34Yeah, just give me one more chance, Sam.
43:35She's literally three months old, yeah.
43:37Sam, one more chance, that's what I'm asking.
43:39She's been in hospital, yeah, for a week, because she stopped breathing twice.
43:42Where was you?
43:43Yeah?
43:44I didn't know that.
43:45Obviously you did.
43:46When she was born, no, I didn't.
43:47Oh, my God, Rob.
43:48Did he know?
43:49I didn't know she was born.
43:51I didn't even know she was born that day.
43:54It was rape.
43:55Yeah, because you haven't been around.
43:56It don't go...
43:57I thought...
43:58All right, okay.
43:59Who's Lorraine?
44:00My sister.
44:01Where's Lorraine?
44:02So you're in the middle of this.
44:04You're his sister, and you're her mate.
44:06Your view, please, because you have such a lot that's quite interesting to say.
44:09Well, yeah, I've been there for my brother as well.
44:11I've tried so hard.
44:12Has he done enough?
44:13No.
44:14Erm...
44:15I've tried on numerous occasions, and he keeps letting her down, and I want him to see,
44:20and I know he wants to see his baby, but...
44:21Why does he keep letting her down?
44:23I don't know.
44:26Why do you keep letting the kid down?
44:28Because I'm a complete a**hole.
44:30That's all I can say.
44:32I'll tell you one thing.
44:34Since, like, my mother died and everything like that, it's changed.
44:37No, Sam, no.
44:38Don't bring your mum involved in this here, because...
44:40Yeah, but the light might occur.
44:42I'm going to say something.
44:43Sam, I'm going to say something to you which you might like or you might not.
44:46To be fair to him, right, he's come here, and there is passion in his voice,
44:52and he's calling himself, himself, every name under the sun.
44:55Why would he do that?
44:57Why would he do that?
44:58But why, gentlemen?
44:59Why has he brought me on national TV, yeah?
45:01To convince you?
45:02To come and see his daughter when he lives five minutes from my house.
45:05Maybe it's a public way of him saying, I am sorry.
45:07I don't know, maybe I want to swing it both ways.
45:10So you told my team, um, I would only ever arrange, allow this now in some sort of contact centre.
45:18Is that right?
45:19Because he's had numerous times to come and see her, and if he's not coming to her...
45:23You see, here's the thing, I saw your face.
45:25If you really love this kid and the lights come on...
45:27I'll do it.
45:28You'll go to that contact centre every Saturday, Sunday when it's arranged for a couple of hours,
45:32and as you then show consistency over a month or two, right, then her belief in you starts.
45:38And then, because what I will agree with her about is the kids at an age now where it's perhaps not as obvious,
45:44but in a year's time, six months' time, I don't want to hear a story of another kid sat by, you know,
45:49the front door crying because its daddy doesn't turn up.
45:52Do I think he's going to make a difference?
45:54Strangely, I think I'm getting old.
45:56I actually think he probably does mean it, but you've got to understand what she thinks about you.
46:00I do understand.
46:01I do understand.
46:02Contact centre arranged by this show regularly, weekly basis, might not like it initially,
46:06do it, prove it, and then you leave the door open, yes or no?
46:10Yeah, that's fine.
46:11You want to work on that?
46:12You that way, you that way.
46:13Graham's waiting.
46:14Give him a round of applause.
46:15All right?
46:16All right?
46:17Don't empty doubt, all right?
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