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00:00On today's show...
00:01I was just finishing up from work and I had a phone call from social services.
00:05They said I could have a daughter.
00:07Shocked? Yeah.
00:08You would never have your daughter. Your daughter would have been adopted.
00:11When this woman went to court in the custody case,
00:14she spent most of her time trying to convince the court
00:17so that he couldn't get the child to have it adopted.
00:22You're a liar, mate. You're a two-faced coward. You've got a cold heart, yeah?
00:26Go on, actually, see your daughter. I'll walk off here now, mate,
00:29and you can go for it. Go on, mate. I'll go for it.
00:31Go on. Done. Take me to court. You can do one.
00:36You said that she smokes cannabis. Yeah.
00:38It's a useless mother, prevents you from seeing the kids,
00:41was controlling and was violent, and today you say,
00:44I will not leave here. You want to get access to my kids?
00:50So are you, you fuck?
00:52So are you, you fuck?
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01:01It's mine kids as well!
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01:13Come on, everyone.
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01:18Help!
01:23Thank you, my friends.
01:23Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:25Now, my first guest today, Matt, is here because Chantel,
01:28the mother of his daughter, hasn't bothered to see their child
01:30in over a year.
01:32Matt says he got the shock of his life three years ago
01:35when social services called him out the blue
01:36and told him you potentially had a child that he didn't know about.
01:39After DNA testing and a legal battle, this guy,
01:41I want you to bear this in mind, got full custody of this kid
01:44and he says that since then, Chantel has not even bothered
01:48with their daughter.
01:48He says that Chantel has come up with every excuse in the book
01:51not to have contact, including lying...
01:53Oh, God, about having cancer.
01:57He's here to tell Chantel to be either a consistent feature
02:00in her daughter's life, why are you bothering,
02:02or to back off once and all.
02:03I like this guy.
02:04Give him a round of applause.
02:05Matt's on the Jeremy Chow show.
02:12How are you?
02:13All right, yeah.
02:14And I mean that.
02:15We sit here and we go on about blokes who don't give a damn,
02:18social services and a court battle,
02:20and this guy got full custody,
02:22which says everything about this man.
02:24Do you not think, my friend?
02:26How are you?
02:27Well, I'm good.
02:30Let's take it back, because you love your daughter,
02:33but that was a one-night stand.
02:34What's the story?
02:36How'd you meet her?
02:37I met her for a friend, really.
02:40I didn't know her that well.
02:43Yeah, we kind of just met up.
02:45And then, obviously, yeah.
02:47We want to do this slowly, right?
02:48Listen to this.
02:49And keep her quiet.
02:50It was a one-night stand.
02:52Tell the audience what she told you.
02:54That she, obviously, she'd been sterilised.
02:57I am actually sterilised.
02:58Yeah, we'll get to you in a minute, love.
03:00Sit there and listen to the man who brought...
03:03If you would never have your daughter,
03:05your daughter would have been adopted.
03:07Yeah?
03:08Listen to the guy who brought your child up,
03:11and then you'll get your son.
03:12No, I'm not going to shut up.
03:12Butter it.
03:13No.
03:14I say he deserves a massive respect,
03:16rather than you gobbin' off, love.
03:19What happened?
03:20Yeah.
03:21Well, obviously, yeah.
03:21She, obviously, she said she'd been sterilised.
03:24Obviously, then that was it.
03:26Do you know what I mean?
03:26And, obviously, then, obviously,
03:28I found out she was pregnant.
03:29Social services called you out the blue?
03:31Yeah.
03:31And said what?
03:32Well, literally, I was working.
03:34I was just finishing up from work,
03:35and I had a phone call from social services.
03:38They said, pretty much, like, I could have a daughter.
03:42Shocked?
03:43Yeah.
03:44Was I willing to take a DNA test?
03:47Which, obviously, I said, yeah, do you know what I mean?
03:49If I've got a daughter, then, obviously,
03:50I'm going to find out.
03:52Which I did.
03:53Then I had to wait about a month for the results.
03:56Again, just breaking up for the Christmas holidays.
04:00And they said, yeah, she was mine.
04:02Now, one thing, if your ex listens,
04:04we do try and do it in all ways.
04:06You've had a chequered past.
04:07Yeah, yeah.
04:08But you said to my team, yeah, I've made mistakes.
04:11Crime, drugs, whatever.
04:11But the minute you found that out, your life turns.
04:15Yeah, yeah.
04:15Of course, yeah.
04:17How did you feel when they went, yeah, Matt, you are the dad?
04:21Yeah, it was, obviously, at first, do you know what I mean?
04:23Like, it was shocking.
04:24But, obviously, then straight away, I knew, obviously, then I needed,
04:28obviously, they said, obviously, did I want to fight for custody,
04:30do you know what I mean?
04:31Obviously.
04:31Did you worry because of your past that you wouldn't get custody?
04:34Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
04:36Do you know what I mean?
04:36But, obviously, I did what I needed to do.
04:38Like, obviously, worked with people, do you know what I mean?
04:41And done what I needed to do to get her.
04:43Do you know what I mean?
04:43I'm going to tell you something else, as well,
04:45while she's shouting and screaming.
04:46I mean, when this woman went to court in the custody case,
04:50she spent most of her time trying to convince the court,
04:53watch their faces, so that he couldn't get the child to have it adopted.
04:59With their family.
05:00If I can't have her, nobody can.
05:02She's going to keep shouting.
05:03I'm not interested.
05:04How difficult has it been bringing up your daughter?
05:06Yeah, I ain't going to say it's been easy, do you know what I mean?
05:09Being a single parent is hard, but, obviously...
05:13Chantel was, through court, we should make this point,
05:15awarded six visits a year.
05:18Yeah, something like that, I think, was it.
05:20You messaged me on Facebook two weeks ago and back in May.
05:23I'll get to you in a minute.
05:24Telling me you want a context in June.
05:26You told me to go to Southend on the 14th of July.
05:30I got a Facebook message, which I sent to June.
05:33I'm talking to Matt.
05:34Can somebody just tell her to shut up?
05:36Shame you're not so passionate in court
05:38when you would have fought for the child, then, love, isn't it?
05:42Yes, we've got my money out!
05:47How many times has she seen the child?
05:50I think it's probably been about four, maybe five.
05:54And you've done the job.
05:55Yes, you've made mistakes, but you've done the job.
05:57Does your daughter even know who this woman is?
05:59Five, no, not really.
06:01What amazes me about you when I read this
06:03is that you still sit there and say, bless your heart,
06:06you go, if she wants a relationship, she's going to need to step up.
06:10I'm going to ask a question that she might not like.
06:12Maybe they won't disagree with me.
06:13What benefit would that bring to your daughter's life?
06:17What benefit after three years, five kids?
06:21It'll be, woe is me, my life's a disaster.
06:23Well, your life weren't great,
06:24but you turned it on its head for the sake of your kid.
06:27And I think that's astounding.
06:28But she's going to come up with what?
06:30Yeah.
06:32Do you want her in the child's life?
06:34Well, she's still her mum, do you know what I mean?
06:36I can't.
06:37You are, do you know what?
06:38You are a better man than me.
06:39Chantelle's on the Jeremy Cloud show that way.
06:45You're lying, man.
06:46You're a pain-faced coward.
06:48You've got a cold heart, yeah?
06:49Telling me on the 14th of July,
06:52come to Southend, meet outside the ocean,
06:54one-half, one in early afternoon, yeah?
06:56And you're giving me two hours of contact.
06:58Then you block me on Facebook and tell me...
07:01You ain't going to contact because I'm bringing you in.
07:04I've got COPD, a shadow on my lung.
07:06I've never said about cancer in my life.
07:09You've got COPD?
07:10Yeah, I have got COPD.
07:11Why does that stop you being a mother?
07:12I haven't stopped being a mother, Jeremy.
07:14I've asked him to put a Facebook message.
07:16Did you lie about having cancer?
07:17No.
07:18I've got a shadow on my left lung.
07:20I've got COPD.
07:21How long have you had a shadow on your left lung?
07:23I was diagnosed with COPD in a shadow on my lung
07:26a year and a half ago.
07:27Your daughter, why don't you see her?
07:28Because he won't sort it out.
07:30He won't sort it out.
07:32He's brought her up.
07:33Not yet.
07:34Why would he get full custody if he's the devil
07:36and you're so perfect?
07:37Right now, let me explain something.
07:39Well, just do it.
07:39When the court ordered contact six times a year,
07:43it was...
07:44Let's go back a minute.
07:45Let's go back to the court order.
07:47A court in this land said to a guy who'd committed crimes
07:50and been on drugs,
07:51you could have custody.
07:53What about the fact that he turned his life around,
07:55covered every single course,
07:57and has been there?
07:58Oh, yeah.
07:58You had a bad child.
07:58And where was Hayes for the first year of my dog's life?
08:01He was denying it when I was pregnant on Facebook here,
08:03saying it ain't his kids.
08:05If it weren't for me...
08:06What about thank you for the job he's done?
08:09Well, what about thank you what?
08:11When he's cutting me out of my dog's life,
08:12told me he weren't going to do that?
08:14You cut yourself out of your daughter's life.
08:15No, I didn't cut myself out of my daughter's life.
08:16Then why don't you go back to court
08:17and try and prove that this guy is no good.
08:20Because there's no need to go back to court.
08:22This guy is an angel,
08:23and you should be thanking him, love.
08:25That's what you should be doing.
08:26No, because I have grudges.
08:29Unbelievable.
08:30Is this how you always react totally calmly?
08:33And another thing is,
08:34what's happened to the letterbox contact
08:36that you keep telling me you're going to send me pictures?
08:39I don't even know what my kid's like,
08:41because I've asked you for photos and that.
08:42I've sent you loads of pictures.
08:43A couple of weeks ago,
08:44he sent you,
08:45and I was meant to do contact with you
08:47and you wouldn't turn up.
08:48I haven't had no contact.
08:50You've blocked me on Facebook.
08:51I've got no numbers
08:52and I've got no address.
08:53No, no, no.
08:54What do you make of this boy,
08:55the job he's done with your grave?
08:56He's done a brilliant job
08:57because he was in a lot of trouble
08:59and I stood by him
09:00and he has really turned his life around
09:02to prepare for his daughter.
09:04I'll play to you, Janice.
09:05I think this guy deserves respect.
09:08Don't you?
09:09I think I deserve respect
09:11for what I've gone through.
09:12I think you,
09:13I think,
09:13I think that people like you,
09:15whether this goes down
09:16like a lead balloon or not,
09:17and I'm going to go to a break on it,
09:19I think the world,
09:20especially this country,
09:21is rammed full of people like you
09:22who, yeah,
09:23have had a really bad start in life
09:24You don't know nothing about my life.
09:27Well, then stop having damn kids
09:29and expecting everybody else
09:30to wipe your mess up.
09:31That's the truth.
09:34I was here so you could see her, yeah?
09:36Now you can actually do one.
09:37You're better than me.
09:38I'm telling you to call.
09:39Thing is...
09:39I'm not about your daughter.
09:41I put your daughter first for a change.
09:45What?
09:46My kid, my car,
09:47that's why he's here.
09:49Chantel, he came here.
10:01It's my show,
10:02part of your backside now.
10:03You can't tell me to do something.
10:05You're just Jeremy Kyle, aren't you?
10:08Brilliant.
10:10Get your head out of your backside.
10:12Don't you think it's ourself?
10:13What do you think I said to me?
10:15You are...
10:16Oh, stop having kids.
10:18I wouldn't touch you.
10:20I'd love to go out with Jeremy Kyle
10:21than I would to go.
10:22I'm not sure how much of a compliment that is.
10:27I'm not playing for a child
10:29that I don't know
10:30where there's one of them.
10:31Stop making friends.
10:33Who are you?
10:36Who are you?
10:39Where are you going?
10:40That's my problem.
10:44I need some aftercare.
10:46Do it for yourself,
10:47for God's sake.
10:49I'm going to a break.
10:50I'm going to a break.
10:51Bye.
10:55Brilliant.
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11:32Welcome back before the break.
11:33Matt and Chantal,
11:34I just got to try this differently with you
11:35because you say you've got COPD
11:39and you say that you had a bad childhood,
11:41which I'll acknowledge.
11:42You talked before the break
11:44about how you should be respected.
11:46Why?
11:46Why?
11:47Because when I was first pregnant
11:49and it was put on Facebook
11:51for people
11:52because people didn't believe me.
11:54Why did you get pregnant?
11:55Why did you get pregnant
11:56if you've got these problems?
11:57I had been on birth control
11:58all my life, yeah.
12:00Did you tell him you were sterilised?
12:02No, I said I was on birth control
12:04and I wish actually
12:05I had family here to back me up here.
12:07Talk to him.
12:08You've got to talk to him, mate.
12:09I can't do it all for you.
12:10At the end of the day,
12:11right,
12:12you messaged me two weeks ago
12:14telling me your contact.
12:15I've been asking you.
12:16You told me
12:17that your solicitor
12:18was delaying a contact centre.
12:20My solicitor
12:21rang your solicitor.
12:22Your solicitor
12:23had no reference of it
12:24because I spoke to your solicitor.
12:26So you want to see your daughter
12:27as well?
12:27I want to see my daughter.
12:28But then he turned round to me
12:30two weeks ago,
12:31which I've sent you
12:31the Facebook messages,
12:33telling me to go to Southend
12:34on the 14th of July
12:35this year
12:37and he didn't even turn up.
12:39I actually travelled
12:40all the way from Suffolk
12:41and spent 50 quid on train fare
12:43and left my dog with my sister
12:45and he didn't turn up.
12:47You've been very quiet
12:48since you came out.
12:49She says
12:49you haven't given her a chance
12:50but he's here
12:51because he says
12:52despite everything
12:53you are his child's mother.
12:55Talk to her.
12:56So why won't you
12:57give me contact?
12:58What is the reason
12:59you didn't turn up
12:59on the 14th of July?
13:01Well,
13:02what it was,
13:02obviously I was going to do
13:03the contact
13:04because I'm not even supposed
13:05to do the contact myself
13:10and I'll walk off here now mate
13:13and you can go
13:13and I'll go back from court.
13:16Take me to court.
13:17You can do one.
13:18At the end of the day, yeah?
13:19I was here
13:20so you could see her, yeah?
13:21Now you can actually do one.
13:23You're better than this.
13:23Take me to court.
13:24You're better than this.
13:26I know,
13:26I get it.
13:27You've got no idea
13:28what this guy's done
13:29for your kid,
13:29have you?
13:29You've got no idea.
13:31I don't even know how...
13:33you should be on your knees
13:35thanking this guy
13:36that your kid
13:37is not in the care system.
13:39Here's the thing,
13:40here's the thing.
13:41Here we go.
13:43Is it true
13:44that when you went to court
13:45you wanted the child
13:46to be adopted?
13:47No.
13:48That is why
13:49I asked the court
13:50and thought I don't know.
13:50I'm being serious now.
13:52Well, you've got COPD.
13:54Calm down.
13:54Well, no,
13:55because I want my kid
13:56me in my life.
13:57Why has it taken you
13:58so long
13:59to be something like that?
13:59Because I've been trying
14:00to go through court
14:01and then I've got him
14:02to twist and everything.
14:02Jeremy, it's you or his mother.
14:03I've pulled him back there
14:04because he's better than that.
14:05He is better than that.
14:06I mean, he has done it.
14:07I don't know.
14:08I honestly don't get
14:09where you're coming from.
14:10What do you make of this?
14:11if she wanted to see her daughter,
14:13why did you say to me
14:14I have to go
14:14to pick you up
14:15from Colchester
14:16to bring you to South Bend
14:17to see your daughter?
14:18And when I said,
14:19no, you can make your own way,
14:21you refused to get
14:22a five-minute walk
14:23to walk up the road
14:24to meet your daughter.
14:24You expected me
14:25to give you a lift
14:26because you could walk
14:27five minutes up the road
14:28to see her.
14:29No, because when you
14:30was meant to do contact
14:31and wherever it was,
14:33yeah?
14:34Wherever it was, yeah.
14:34The reason I couldn't
14:34be fired, right,
14:36is because I was
14:37in a...
14:38You see, the thing is...
14:51Shall I tell you
14:52the problem is, right,
14:53in a very calm way,
14:55because all the do-gooders
14:55will jump up and down
14:56and they'll go,
14:57oh, you know.
14:58Here's the thing.
14:59You've had a bad start.
15:01You've got COPD.
15:03You've had some bad things
15:05happen to you in your life
15:06and naturally you feel
15:07let down and it's all
15:09about you, me, me, me.
15:10No, it ain't all about me.
15:11No, it's not all about me.
15:13No, it's not.
15:13It's about your kids
15:14and you have to look
15:15into the mirror
15:16and ask yourself
15:17one simple question
15:18just because you're
15:18passionate and ready now.
15:19All those nights,
15:21all those days,
15:22the nursery run,
15:23the stomachache,
15:23the being sick,
15:24whatever,
15:25that this kid has done,
15:26a man who was on drugs
15:27and committed crime
15:28but turned his life
15:29on a sixpence.
15:30Let me ask you something.
15:31Can you honestly,
15:33honestly look at that man
15:34and not think,
15:35my God,
15:36he saved my kid
15:37and I'm sorry
15:39and I,
15:40I might well be able
15:42to turn my life around.
15:43I might well be able
15:44to sort it
15:45but you should be in awe
15:46of what he's done
15:47for your kid
15:47and you're not.
15:48And like I say no actually,
15:50this is where
15:51everyone's wrong, right?
15:52Because at the end of the day,
15:54I'm grateful
15:54that whoever brings
15:55the children up.
15:55What's turning me a grateful?
15:56I don't try it.
15:57Give me a favour.
15:59If you get the Facebook
16:00messages up that I've sent you,
16:01you can see
16:01the **** in it.
16:03Lovely language.
16:04That would be a great
16:05role model, wouldn't it?
16:06What's your sister called?
16:07Kelly.
16:08Kelly's on the
16:08Jeremy Kyle show.
16:10Give her a round of applause.
16:18He's been bringing in all
16:19door wrap.
16:20You should have done
16:20a spectrum.
16:21Is that anything?
16:23And then you tell me,
16:23yeah, cutting me off
16:24Facebook, blocking my face.
16:25Oh, give me no communication.
16:27Because you're taking
16:27you're more racing
16:29in Facebook
16:30than you are
16:30in your kid, aren't you?
16:32Pardon?
16:32No photos.
16:33Letterboxd contact.
16:34Photos.
16:35I haven't been getting in.
16:38I haven't been taking photos
16:40of your family as well.
16:41Kelly, what can she bring
16:42to her daughter's life?
16:44Nothing.
16:45How good has he been?
16:46Excellent with her.
16:47Absolutely excellent.
16:49That's what winds me up.
16:51What's she bought this child?
16:52Oh, apart from a little toy
16:53tigger, a little bouncing tigger.
16:55What she took away.
16:57And if she breaks it,
16:58I want the money back for it.
17:00Is that true?
17:00No.
17:01You sure?
17:01And actually,
17:02in the first year
17:03of my daughter
17:03and when she was born,
17:04I actually provided
17:05all the nappies
17:06and everything
17:06and all her clients
17:07when she was in care.
17:09Do you know what
17:09in all of you, right?
17:10You?
17:11I've been abused.
17:12I've been in care.
17:13But I have still
17:14stuck through my kid's
17:16sick and sick.
17:17Yeah.
17:25Oh, so?
17:27Darling, come here.
17:29Come here.
17:29Give Janice a round of applause.
17:34Can you help her, Dan?
17:35Dan, can you help her, please?
17:41I guess what we're trying
17:43to say, darling,
17:44if I'm absolutely honest,
17:45is that we could all
17:47feel sorry for you, Chantel.
17:49I don't want people
17:50feeling sorry for me.
17:51No, I don't.
17:52I feel sorry for your kid.
17:52Because I know
17:53I was fucking my life
17:54when I was a child.
17:55Answer what she just said.
17:57That I'm not there
17:58for the children.
17:58No, no, no.
17:58Answer what she just said.
18:00She said from the audience,
18:01what did you say again,
18:02my darling, Janice?
18:03I've been abused.
18:03I've been in care.
18:04But I've still been there
18:05for my three children.
18:06I've had ongoing relationships,
18:07yeah,
18:08and people that have been
18:09abused me.
18:09And I'm one of these people
18:11that can't actually
18:12fight my way out.
18:12So if you're a victim...
18:14because I've still been abused
18:15and you're not the only one
18:19who's been abused...
18:19And in fact, I am not
18:20running after you,
18:21trust me.
18:22If you care about your child,
18:24you won't do another
18:24history on it runoff.
18:25If you knew what it was like,
18:28why wouldn't you have...
18:29Why do you think I'm here today
18:31and I'm emotional, yeah?
18:32I'm dying to get down
18:34with COPD.
18:34My lungs are the age
18:35of an 89-year-old shit.
18:37I have changed my life,
18:38friends.
18:39I have my...
18:40The people that have allowed
18:41you to see the other children
18:42are saying that you've
18:43changed your life.
18:44Yeah.
18:44So I did a drugs test on Matt
18:46because you wanted him
18:47to do a drugs test
18:48and I did a drugs test
18:49on you, yeah?
18:50And he's totally clear
18:51and you tested positive
18:52for cannabis.
18:53Yeah, I smoke cannabis.
18:54You smoke cannabis
18:55and you've got COPD
18:56and you've got the lungs
18:57of an 89-year-old.
18:58Get out there and fight
18:59for your child
18:59and stop finding excuses.
19:03Unbelievable.
19:08Because I'm not...
19:09You know, I come
19:10from a different planet.
19:11I'm not thinking
19:11cannabis is good
19:12for anybody
19:12with the lungs
19:13of an 89-year-old.
19:14What happened to you?
19:15I was abused
19:16and I've been in care
19:17and I have actually had...
19:20I've been violent.
19:21But I think you're fine.
19:25And it was violent
19:25and the first thing
19:27I've done was walk away
19:28because they come first.
19:30This guy...
19:30Do you know what,
19:31can I just say something?
19:31Chantal, Chantal,
19:31Chantal, listen,
19:32this is important.
19:34We can turn this.
19:34I just want my cane,
19:35my can't get with my cane.
19:37He's here.
19:38Chantal, he came here.
19:43Chantal, that's why he came here.
19:45He didn't leave.
19:47He didn't say no.
19:48But why don't he Facebook me
19:50and tell me to go
19:51on a phone in for tonight
19:52and show me...
19:53I spent 50 quid
19:54just got out of hospital, yeah?
19:55Matt, get here.
19:56I got out of hospital
19:57and spent 50 quid
19:58went to Southend
19:59and he didn't even turn up.
20:00I'll deal with that.
20:01What does that say?
20:02I'll deal with it.
20:03Stop shouting.
20:03I just want my contact.
20:04Then stop shouting.
20:05Sit down a minute.
20:07You have to ask that question
20:09and you have to answer it.
20:10She says she came out
20:11of a situation
20:12out of hospital.
20:13She spent 50 pounds.
20:14She went all the way
20:15to Southend
20:15and she wasn't allowed
20:16to see the child.
20:17That was unfair of you.
20:18Why didn't you then
20:20not be there
20:21on the 14th floor?
20:23I set it up
20:24because obviously
20:25I just wanted to get
20:26on the amulet club.
20:26Do you know what I mean?
20:27I don't need to stress.
20:28I'm bringing up my daughter
20:29working part-time as well.
20:30When was the last time
20:30you saw your daughter?
20:32In February 2014.
20:34I supervised contact.
20:35Right, drop your voice.
20:37Right.
20:37Now, I said to you
20:39he came here
20:40because he obviously
20:40still believes
20:41that you have...
20:41But where did he tell me
20:43to go to Southend
20:44on the 14th of July?
20:46Do you know what?
20:46I just feel like
20:47he's cutting me
20:48out of my contact side.
20:49I'm cutting down.
20:49All right, so let him out.
20:50Because, Alder,
20:50let me get my say, please, yeah?
20:52Right?
20:53You won't give me
20:53a contact number.
20:54You won't give me
20:55your address
20:56so I can send her letters.
20:57You've blocked me
20:58on Facebook.
20:59You had address.
21:00I'll give you an address.
21:01I haven't got the address.
21:02Well, then you've lost it.
21:03That's not my fault, is it?
21:04But you've had my address.
21:06I also said to you...
21:07Is your breathing all right?
21:07Pardon?
21:08Nothing.
21:09Is my breathing all right?
21:11Do you want to listen
21:11to my chest?
21:12Do you want to get
21:12things that I don't
21:13just don't listen
21:13to how bad my chest is?
21:15Just ask if your breathing's
21:15all right.
21:16What I'm saying
21:17in a very calm way
21:18is that I think
21:19instead of attacking
21:20a bloke who changed
21:21his life,
21:22I understand when you're
21:22on the outside
21:23it's difficult,
21:24but instead of attacking
21:24a bloke...
21:25It's not just affecting
21:25me and my daughter, is it?
21:26It's not just affecting
21:27us to be the rest.
21:28It's all we can talk about.
21:29This might...
21:29I don't even know
21:30what my kid looks like.
21:32Do you know how emotional
21:33that is?
21:34I don't even know
21:35what she looks like.
21:37I'm trying really hard
21:38to help you get...
21:39I don't know if she's
21:40meeting all her milestones
21:41or nothing
21:42not being sad with anything.
21:44I'm trying to help you
21:45get contact with this child.
21:46But what I'm saying
21:47is it's heartbreaking.
21:48I don't even know
21:49what she looks like.
21:50You don't see any pictures
21:51a few weeks ago, so...
21:53Can we sit in a room...
21:54What I haven't done
21:54in 2004, wait,
21:56because of the day
21:56on the camera.
21:57Can we sit in a room,
21:58that's why you came here,
22:00and see if we can find
22:01some common ground.
22:02Listen, listen.
22:03Can we sit in a room
22:04and try and work out
22:06an agreement whereby
22:07this is restarted.
22:09Chantelle, listen.
22:11This is restarted,
22:13that you're comfortable
22:14with, that you're OK
22:15with everything else
22:15you've got going on
22:16in your life
22:17for the sake of this child,
22:18if that's what you say.
22:20But as the person
22:20who has full custody,
22:22he's going to call the shots.
22:23But he says he wants you
22:24to see your daughter.
22:25So why didn't he turn up
22:26on a 14th of July?
22:27Should we just start it now?
22:28I'm just saying,
22:29I just want the answer
22:30why he didn't turn up
22:34on a 14th of July.
22:41and find some common ground.
22:41Yes or no?
22:42Yeah.
22:43Yes or no?
22:44But can I just say
22:44one more thing, kindly?
22:45You're not going to say anything.
22:47Stephanie and Graham
22:48and the team will work with you.
22:49We will see if we can find
22:50some common ground
22:51for the sake of this child.
22:53I am going to an outbreak.
22:54I'm back after this.
22:55Don't go anywhere.
22:56Since you came to your centre,
22:58saw this woman for what she was,
23:00she has made it impossible
23:01for you to see the kids.
23:02How has she done that?
23:03Because every time I'm saying,
23:04she went,
23:05oh, you're not seeing them
23:05unless you're taking on
23:06I'm going to get with me
23:07and make a whole shot.
23:12Oh, no.
23:17Me, don't look, Michelle.
23:18You're not me, bro.
23:19Are you speaking to me?
23:21She's stopping myself
23:22being my kids.
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23:30your innocence with a lie detector?
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24:02Thank you very much, indeed.
24:03Welcome back.
24:03My next guest today, Mark,
24:04is here because his ex-partner,
24:05Danielle has made contact
24:07with his children impossible
24:08since he ended the relationship
24:10four months ago.
24:11Mark says that he's done
24:11everything that he can
24:12to see his kids,
24:13but because he refuses
24:14to get back with her,
24:15she has stopped him
24:16from being a dad.
24:16He says he wants Danielle
24:17to realise that he doesn't love her,
24:19he doesn't want to get back with her
24:20and he isn't leaving here today
24:21without her agreeing to regular access
24:23to his kids.
24:24Big day for this guy, Mark.
24:25He's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
24:54He's on the way to get back with him.
24:58What did she do?
24:59Sorry, Mary,
25:00I thought you were right now.
25:02Seriously,
25:03sort your head out, love.
25:06Danielle, I will,
25:07I will get to you, mate.
25:08I will, promise.
25:10Oh, no.
25:11Right, you need to,
25:12oh, no,
25:12you need to speak up a bit.
25:13She was a nightmare
25:14throughout our relationship.
25:16She was controlling and violent.
25:17What do you mean?
25:18I go to my mate,
25:18she texts my mate saying,
25:20Will you sort your head out, you little...
25:25Michelle, Daniel, who's Michelle?
25:27Daniel, can you just keep quiet a minute, love?
25:29Please, go on.
25:31Yeah, I go to my mates, and she'll text my mates,
25:33saying, no, he's marching at home, I'm locking him out.
25:35Was she violent to you? I mean, you said she was violent.
25:37Right, yeah, so we've even got police reports on that as well.
25:40Well, she attacked you physically.
25:41Right, yeah.
25:42I caught her texting other men.
25:44When I confronted her, she hit me.
25:46Yeah.
25:47Then I'd split up with her, go back to my mum,
25:50saying she'd text me, saying, no, I still love you,
25:51so I'd meet like a gullible **** back with her.
26:00You've just tuned in.
26:02Bleeping is not the only thing you'll hear on the Jeremy Kyle show.
26:06You said a lot about this girl.
26:08What sort of mother is she?
26:10I can't say she's a good mum, I'll give her that.
26:12She's a good mum, but she does everything...
26:13Yeah.
26:13You told my team she would rather sit on Facebook,
26:16that it was you who did all the work.
26:18Yeah.
26:18What she does now, she'll sit there,
26:20she'll buy a wine and drink it,
26:22and she'll say, oh, the kids are in bed,
26:23what if the kids come downstairs?
26:26It's almost like you say that she sort of sussed out
26:29that you were, you know, she targeted you.
26:32Yeah.
26:32Did you, in the end, just feel like,
26:34I've got to get the hell out?
26:36Well, yeah, that's why I kicked her out.
26:37Yeah?
26:38And in terms of when it finished,
26:40you say that since that moment,
26:41since you came to your senses,
26:43saw this woman for what she was,
26:45she has made it impossible for you to see the kids.
26:47Yeah.
26:47How has she done that?
26:48Because every time I say to her,
26:49she went, oh, you're not seeing them
26:50unless you take money, Jeremy Kyle show.
26:56Oh, no.
26:59Oh, no.
27:01I'd like to point out that I don't think this is funny,
27:04because this is about your kids.
27:05Oh, no.
27:05You said that she smokes cannabis.
27:07Yeah.
27:08Drinks wine, prevents you from seeing the kids,
27:11was controlling and was violent,
27:12and today you say, I will not leave here.
27:15Until I get access to my kids.
27:16Have you thought about going to court or not?
27:19Right, yeah.
27:19If you don't work too, then I'm going to court.
27:21You won't be surprised to know, my friends,
27:24that Danielle has a completely different side to this story.
27:27She's next on the Jeremy Kyle show.
27:30Oh, you're right.
27:33Oh, you're right.
27:35Why are you?
27:36Why are you?
27:37Why are you?
27:37So are you, you fat?
27:38Why are you?
27:39Why are you?
27:40Why are you?
27:42Why are you?
27:42Why are you now going to court?
27:43Why are you?
27:44Why are you?
27:46Why are you?
27:48Why are you?
27:49Why are you?
27:50You look like pretty, huh?
27:51I don't care.
27:51I don't care.
27:52I don't care.
27:53Why are you not?
27:53Sort your head out.
27:54I'm sorry.
27:55So are you?
27:56I'm his mum
27:56That you pal...
28:00I'm your kids as well.
28:01Who's yourok Matt, there sure don't do it.
28:03I'm not your kids as well.
28:04My kids, all I am!
28:06Sort your head out, look wanname.
28:07Dann a mother, Frauaux!
28:09Me.
28:10Michele, you're a.
28:11Are you speaking to her?
28:12Me.
28:13Go on.
28:15You came on quite quick, didn't you?
28:16I don't care. I don't care. I don't care.
28:22I don't care. I don't care.
28:28Could you go until you're invited on?
28:32You kicked me out.
28:34You kicked me out.
28:36Stand out and be quiet.
28:37You, here's one thing I want to say to you, right?
28:40If you want to do this properly, rushing out here and fronting him out ain't gonna help your case.
28:47You have an amazing first line.
28:49He didn't just finish with you.
28:52He came out. He made me homeless with two children on a Friday at 4 o'clock at night.
28:56I had no phone.
28:57Is that true or false?
28:58I had no phone. I had no Facebook.
29:00I had no Facebook.
29:02Yeah, I had somewhere to go.
29:04You're being kicked out with your kids at 4 o'clock in the morning without any Facebook.
29:09Why would you kick your kids out at that time in the morning?
29:12Come on.
29:13Hold on a second.
29:14If these kids matter to you, why on earth did you kick them out of your house?
29:17Why don't you leave them there and go off yourself for 24 hours?
29:21Why don't you do that?
29:22He's sinful.
29:23He's evil.
29:23He's an evil.
29:24He's a control freak.
29:25You're the court of control freak.
29:27I want to hear.
29:28Oi, be quiet.
29:29You're very animated now.
29:30He says you were violent.
29:31You came out here in an aggressive way.
29:32Yeah, but I have hit him.
29:33And I'm not saying I haven't.
29:35He's had me arrested for it.
29:37I'm not saying I haven't hit him.
29:39How on earth did you get custody for kids then if you're violent?
29:41He says you're a useless mother who drinks wine all day.
29:43I do drink.
29:44At night.
29:45Not every night.
29:46Not every night.
29:46Not every night.
29:46What sort of mother are you?
29:48Who's even told me?
29:49I'm a good mum.
29:49I'm not saying I'm a brilliant mum.
29:51No, I'm a perfect mum.
29:52What on earth is that to you?
29:53Oh, be quiet.
29:54We'll get her in a minute.
29:55What is going on?
29:56Why is it?
29:57I don't trust him with my children.
29:58Right.
29:58I don't trust him to give them me back.
30:00I don't trust him to give them me back.
30:02I'm just going to tell my team you.
30:03Shut up for a minute.
30:03Apparently you tell...
30:04Is she still going on?
30:06Apparently he used to lock you in the house.
30:07He did.
30:08He did.
30:08He used to go out and lock me in.
30:09I doubt it.
30:09You used to go out.
30:11Yeah, I did.
30:11He used to go out to get away from you.
30:13And take my kids away from you.
30:15I absolutely hate your guts.
30:16I hate your guts.
30:17Yeah, but what you feel about him shouldn't...
30:20Whatever you think of him shouldn't make you decide
30:22whether your daughter should have a relationship with him.
30:24It's all like when you're running about jumping on my...
30:25Is it?
30:27It's...
30:27It's all like when you were texting my...
30:30Jump on his...
30:31I don't care.
30:32It really don't care.
30:33It really don't care.
30:34You were texting who?
30:35She were texting my...
30:36Trying to jump on his...
30:39What is it?
30:41Yeah, of course.
30:43Sorry.
30:44What did you say?
30:45Any...
30:46will do for her.
30:49This is about the children.
30:51Yeah, it's about my kids.
30:52I've not come on to argue with him.
30:54Why will you not allow him to see the kids?
30:56Because I don't trust him to give him the back.
30:57Daddy, you rang me at the space of 20 times last night in a hotel.
31:01What?
31:01When I didn't have my phone mic?
31:03When I was sat with Percy all night?
31:05You say you don't want me here, but it was only last week
31:07you were sending me pictures of you.
31:08Beat that one.
31:09So much.
31:12Did she send you the picture and say beat that one?
31:14That's what I want to know.
31:17What's your mum called?
31:18Michelle.
31:19Did you get on with Michelle?
31:20I did.
31:21This will be fun.
31:22Michelle's back with a stick.
31:30You're not right, Daniel.
31:31You're not letting my son see my grandkids.
31:33You're not seeing my kids, mum.
31:34Yes, he is.
31:35No, he's not.
31:35They're my grandkids as well as his kids.
31:37I don't care.
31:37They're my kids.
31:38My kids.
31:38My kids.
31:40They're not your kids.
31:42There is as well.
31:43They are my kids.
31:44It's all right.
31:44Well, you didn't do nothing for Daisy, would you?
31:46You wouldn't change anything happy.
31:47Postnatal depression, mum.
31:49Postnatal depression, mum.
31:49Postnatal depression, mum.
31:50More like because you couldn't get off your ****.
31:52And sit on your **** on Facebook.
31:54Beat that one.
31:55When my daughter was first born, I had postnatal depression.
31:57Why didn't you go doctor's care?
31:59I had postnatal depression.
32:01Why didn't you got doctor's care?
32:02Yeah, well it's a ****.
32:03Oh, sorry.
32:04Are you all right?
32:05Oh, I can't be **** with this.
32:06Who's your ma...
32:07You will not see my kid.
32:08You will not see me again.
32:13Oh, my God.
32:15Take it off.
32:18Take it off.
32:19Take it off.
32:19What's the matter, Daniel?
32:20You can't face the torch.
32:21Take it off me.
32:22Eh?
32:23What's the matter, Daniel?
32:24What's the matter, Daniel?
32:24You've not seen my kids, mum!
32:26The thing is, the thing is, can I just jump in on something, please?
32:29There's one thing that needs saying here.
32:31Church, you lot, be quiet.
32:33The interesting story here is both of the kids...
32:36He kicked me out. He made me homeless with two children.
32:39You think I should leave two, my children?
32:41You've got to answer that. How old was the baby?
32:43How old was it? Be quiet a minute.
32:46How old was the baby?
32:47Two and one.
32:48One-year-old, you kick out at four...
32:50It's a thing, not you.
32:51What do you think about your son kicking two kids out at four o'clock in the morning?
32:56Oh, yeah, I'm going to answer that you weren't there.
32:58You are now.
32:59Your son...
33:01I'll do it, I'll do it.
33:03Because you was on the phone to the camera, so actually...
33:07Yeah, because what he did to my grandkids kicking her now.
33:10Right, so that's what we're talking about now, you silly woman, isn't it?
33:13No, I'm not silly.
33:14He kicked your grandkids out.
33:16I'm not saying that.
33:18That's why we had arguments.
33:20I'm not saying I was an angel in my relationship, is she?
33:23Because I wasn't.
33:23You took my phone off me.
33:25Did I?
33:25You deleted it, but you were on the phone.
33:28You smashed my phone off me.
33:29What's your make-up?
33:30You did let me go off me.
33:31Come here, Kirsty, come here.
33:32Because you don't even know all about it.
33:34We haven't seen you in two years, so you don't know.
33:36You're not saying that.
33:38I'm not bringing to myself.
33:39I've got pictures of Daisy and Millian.
33:41Because she's crazy.
33:42You're crazy.
33:43No, because, what, with my kid?
33:45Who's a crackhead?
33:47I'm a crackhead.
33:47That's the only thing you've seen since we was in Preston.
33:50And we've been living in a group.
34:01Can you do me a favour now?
34:03A man who said nothing and now won't shut up.
34:05You paint a very different picture.
34:07You say, I've had problems, I have got aggressive, but the fact is this guy didn't treat me very well.
34:11No, he didn't.
34:12He controlled me.
34:14He took up all the time.
34:14No, he didn't.
34:15He controlled me.
34:15Oi!
34:16I'm speaking to her.
34:17Shut up.
34:18We had a joint Facebook.
34:20Why are we going...
34:21We're talking about the custody of children and we're talking about Facebook again.
34:24He controlled me.
34:25You would accept that you made some mistakes, so would you.
34:30Yeah, I did make mistakes.
34:30You are not together.
34:32You have moved...
34:33Shh, shh.
34:33Thank the Lord.
34:34Here's the question, and I say it.
34:36Well, not the question in the comments, I say it every day.
34:37What happens is when people split up, their hatred or anger towards the other person means
34:42they use kids as a weapon.
34:44I'm not using my kids as a weapon, though.
34:45Is his child really in danger if he spends time...
34:48I don't trust him for giving me back.
34:50She's not.
34:51Would she give the children back?
34:52Yeah, I'm not going to kick up on them.
34:53No, you wouldn't.
34:53You wouldn't.
34:55Shh, shh, shh.
34:56Can we at least, with Graham, can we at least away...
34:59And even if it doesn't...
34:59Can you be quiet?
35:01Can we at least sit you down and see if we can...
35:04He's not seeing my kids.
35:06But then he'll go to court.
35:07That is wrong.
35:08That is wrong.
35:09That is wrong.
35:09If we could come up with a situation where you felt...
35:12Look at me.
35:12Where you felt they were safe, a contact centre or something.
35:15Hear me out.
35:16That there was other people watching the situation.
35:20Would that be better as a starting point?
35:22Yes or no?
35:23Yeah.
35:24Would you accept that as a starting point?
35:26Yeah.
35:26Graham, you are a genius.
35:28It's all yours.
35:29Give him a round of applause.
35:30I know it's good.
35:31I know it's good.
35:31I know it's good.
35:32I know it's good.
35:33Good luck to Graham after the break.
35:35A pregnant woman on that stage ready to raise her baby on her own.
35:38If her boyfriend fails the lie detector, I'm right back.
35:41Don't go anywhere.
35:42You wish me to have that miscarriage and then say to me you kissed somebody else and two
35:46weeks after ask me what my reaction would be if you cheated on me.
35:49What the hell do you think it's going to do to me?
35:51I'm sick of the arguments.
35:53How many people think you failed this test?
36:08It's my show part of your backside now.
36:11You can't tell me to do something.
36:13You're just Jeremy Kyle, aren't you?
36:16Crillian.
36:18Get your head out of your backside.
36:20I still think it's out.
36:21I still think it's out.
36:22I still think it's a centennial.
36:23I still think it's a centennial.
36:24Stop having kids.
36:26I wouldn't touch you.
36:27I'd rather go out with Jeremy Kyle than I would to you.
36:30I'm not sure how much of a compliment that is.
36:35I'm not playing for a child that I don't know where there's one of them.
36:39Stop making friends.
36:41She had put your door up.
36:42I love you.
36:43I love you.
36:44I love you.
36:45I love you.
36:45I love you.
36:46Where are you going?
36:48That's my compliment.
36:52I need some aftercare.
36:54Do it for yourself, for God's sake.
36:57I'm going to a break.
36:58I'm going to a break.
36:59Bye.
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37:41Welcome back.
37:41You might just remember my next guest from a previous encounter on this very stage.
37:45Take a look at this.
37:48Time to have a abortion.
37:55Why did you want a baby?
37:58Who wanted you to have to quit it because he wasn't spending enough time withlove?
38:02Are you working?
38:03Bye actually
38:04You're a lazy little
38:07Get an ass gun
38:28I'll deal with it. You calm your girlfriend down. She's pregnant. Stop shouting. Graham, you do. I know you had
38:35a bad start. I know you've got a mouth on you.
38:37I know you're angry and bitter and twisted, but you've got a future with Andy and this baby, all right?
38:43All right, listen, I'll leave you with Graham, and you ain't coming back, because have the baby and be happy.
38:50Now, despite what I said, sadly, Kelly and Andy are now at breaking point, because last week during an argument,
38:55he confessed to cheating on her.
38:57She says he later retracted, however, this wasn't good enough for her, and she's ended their engagement and refuses to
39:03plan any sort of future at all with him, Andy, until he passes the lie detector.
39:06She says if he fails, she will raise this baby on her own. This lady is pregnant. She's had a
39:11torrid time. Show your appreciation.
39:13Kayleigh's back on The Jeremy Kyle Show. That way.
39:21You're like one of my most favourite people I've met. Now, I'm really... They tell me this this morning, and
39:26I'm gutted.
39:27I'm gutted as well.
39:29Okay, listen, let's just... I know.
39:33All we've ever done is see you with your mum, and you've been so strong and so powerful.
39:39You and Andy, I mean, you've been together nine months. You're currently 14.
39:43It's pregnant. I must point out, I know you've had a few problems, and we want to keep it as
39:46calm as possible for your sake,
39:47but as they said to me, you do remember her. She's got a mouth on her.
39:52Yeah. You met at YMCA?
39:53We did, yeah.
39:54It was amazing.
39:55Yeah.
39:56Pregnant quite quickly.
39:58Yeah, six months into it.
39:59In the last few weeks, it's gone downhill. Explain to me why, Princess.
40:03Well, after appearing on the last show, you know, things were all right, and then they just started to go
40:09downhill and that.
40:11Why? How?
40:12Oi!
40:12He, um, we were, like, just arguing over, like, silly little things, and...
40:17He's been a bit nasty, hasn't he, in saying quite nasty things?
40:20Yeah.
40:20He, um, he wished me to have a miscarriage and that.
40:25He said that to you?
40:26He said, like, I hope you lose this baby and that.
40:30Um, that was after he basically said to me, oh, I went out and I kissed someone the other day.
40:38Well, this is what he said. In the heat of an argument, he admitted that he went out and he
40:41kissed somebody.
40:42You naturally reacted badly to that.
40:44Yeah.
40:44You were fuming.
40:46Um, and then he came out the next day and he retracted it.
40:48So he's playing with your head.
40:50Yeah, he said, I didn't kiss anybody, I don't know anybody.
40:54Why would he go from being so supportive, as we saw him, against your mother, because your mother and you
40:58have been at loggerheads for years,
40:59why would he go from doing that to dropping this?
41:02What's changed?
41:04I don't know.
41:05We just argue over, like, the silly little things.
41:09Lots of pressure, lots of tension.
41:10Yeah, like, getting loads of pressure off people and that, and just other personal things going on.
41:18And then after he said about, he kissed someone, he just came out a couple of weeks late and he
41:22said to me,
41:23what would you do if I told you I cheated on you?
41:27What did you say?
41:28And I said to him, what?
41:30I was like, why would, why would you, why would you turn around and say that to me just out
41:34the blue?
41:34And I spoke to three people, one of my best mates and two of my other family members, and they
41:41said the only reason he would say that to you is unless he's done something.
41:46Today's about a lie detector, which I have to say, I didn't even imagine what would be happening.
41:50You actually say, and you've watched this enough, people would say this all the time, and I worry about it
41:53when they just say it for a reason, but they go, if he fails, we're done.
41:57We are.
41:58But that means being a single mum.
41:59Yeah, I can do it.
42:00I just don't, if he's done anything with anybody else, that's, I don't.
42:05Even if he's kissed somebody?
42:06Yeah.
42:07And he's back on the Jeremy Cowell show.
42:09Give him a round of applause.
42:16What a love about the great British public.
42:18You've judged him already.
42:19Why on earth, you total donut, right?
42:21All that time supporting her, all that time saying, you know, I'm here for you.
42:26She's pregnant, and then you go and kiss somebody else.
42:29I know, I've met what I've done wrong.
42:32Did you kiss somebody?
42:33Why did you say it then?
42:34It was just...
42:36You told me you wanted to hurt me.
42:38You'd already hurt me by telling me...
42:40I don't know, it was just arguing, and it's getting...
42:44Why?
42:45I don't know, it's just...
42:46Why wish me to have that miscarriage, and then say to me, you kissed somebody else,
42:49and two weeks after, ask me what my reaction would be if you're cheating on me.
42:52What the hell do you think it's going to do to me?
42:54I know, but I'm sick of the arguments.
42:56What are you arguing about?
42:58I'm sick of being completely nasty to me.
43:00Tell them some of the things that he says.
43:04And I know I was in...
43:06Ashley, why don't you man up instead of sitting there like a little schoolboy?
43:09What have you said to her?
43:10You cheated on me, so what is stopping you from cheating on me with somebody else?
43:15Because I love you with all my heart.
43:17Well, you've got history, then.
43:18You loved me with all your heart, and then you wished me to lose your baby.
43:21I was upset.
43:23You can be...
43:24Can you see what it's done to me?
43:25I know.
43:27What have you called her?
43:30Everything can do some...
43:32Stupid cow and a dumb...
43:36And then you go and trash the room, don't you?
43:38I know.
43:38I know.
43:39So, hold on.
43:40You tell her you wish she loses her baby.
43:43You call her every name under the sun, you trash the room, and you're sat there thinking what?
43:47That you're not in the wrong?
43:48No, I mean...
43:48I hope she finds out that you have cheated and dumps your backside quicker than anything because, essentially, if I'm
43:54honest, right, she's sort of better than you, isn't she?
43:58Now she's got you, you little weasel.
43:59Why would she even bother talking to you again?
44:02I was trying to see what she sees in you anyway.
44:04I know I was in a bunk.
44:06Are you going to swear at me now, are you?
44:08Why don't you get off your backside, treat women decently, get a job, and stop being a little boy?
44:12That might be a start.
44:14What?
44:14They always tried, aren't they?
44:19You deserve better than this.
44:21I just don't know.
44:22Much better.
44:22It just doesn't add up.
44:23Why would you say that?
44:25You know what I'm saying, you wouldn't do it unless you've actually gone out.
44:30She says if you've kissed, even so much as kiss somebody, you're done.
44:33Yeah, I admit that.
44:34If you fail, there's lies at that, is it?
44:36We are done.
44:37Yeah, I know.
44:38I won't stop you from seeing the kid because you're the dad.
44:41And your name will be on the birth certificate.
44:43But as far as we're concerned, we're finishing you fail.
44:46You're going to pass?
44:47Yes.
44:48100%.
44:49Give me those all-important lie detector results.
44:51As ever the questions that were asked of Andy, the answers that he gave.
44:54How many people think you've failed this test?
44:59We asked Andy, since the start of your relationship with Kayleigh, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
45:03You said no.
45:04Why did you say no?
45:05It's a ton of truth.
45:05Ted says you're a liar.
45:09Oh, no emotion.
45:10Go on, take me on you, little whiz.
45:12It's fixed.
45:13Since the start of your relationship.
45:15What did you just say?
45:16Fixed.
45:18Fixed.
45:19Fixed.
45:20Yeah.
45:21Since the start of your relationship with Kayleigh, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
45:24Do you know what that is?
45:25What?
45:26Sexual contact.
45:27What?
45:27Touch.
45:28Yes.
45:29Yeah.
45:29You said no.
45:30Ted says you're a liar.
45:31I've been with her 24-7.
45:34Of course you have, yeah.
45:35This is a man who trashes the room and calls her every name under the sun.
45:38Why humiliate me?
45:39On national TV, I gave you so many chances to tell me to.
45:43I'm telling you, he has humiliated himself.
45:45Darling, I actually like you and I remember what you went through.
45:49Look at me.
45:50I'm telling you the truth.
45:51Kayleigh.
45:52Kayleigh.
45:54Calm.
45:55You failed every single question.
45:59When have I had time to do that?
46:01Oh, that's not an hour, is it?
46:03Do you want to take me on?
46:04When?
46:04Why don't you be big enough to tell her the truth?
46:07Because she's had a lifetime of BS.
46:08I'm telling him the truth.
46:09And now she's getting it from you.
46:11I can tell you categorically, one million percent, that you cheated on her.
46:15No, I haven't.
46:16You cheated with me, so you've done it with me to someone else.
46:19Who is it?
46:20We've been 24-7.
46:21Have you cheated on me?
46:22We've been together 24-7.
46:24When have I got time?
46:26You're shouting at a present.
46:27You're a pregnant woman, yeah?
46:28Give me the decency of telling me who it was.
46:31I haven't cheated.
46:32So nothing happened at all?
46:33No, nothing, absolutely nothing.
46:34Why can't you look them in the eyes then?
46:35Why did you have sweaty palms out of the swing of the lie detector then?
46:38Why did you keep asking me?
46:40How would, what would you do if you'd fail in that?
46:42Did he ask you?
46:45Admit it to her.
46:46No, I, not cheated.
46:48Half an hour, 30 minutes, an hour, whatever.
46:51I ain't cheated.
46:51Somebody will say.
46:52Yes, you have.
46:53No, I haven't.
46:53Yes, you have.
46:54No, I haven't.
46:54I know what it was with.
46:55Who?
46:56I know exactly who it was with.
46:57It was my name.
46:58Don't ask her then.
46:59Shall I tell you something?
47:01This is the third time I've met you.
47:02And on each of the three occasions, you have been surrounded by people who are not worthy
47:07to be in your life.
47:08Can you do me a favour?
47:08Are you going to tell her the truth?
47:09I've told her the truth.
47:10I've told her the truth.
47:10Then do one.
47:11Just get out my sight.
47:15Listen to me.
47:16I know you're pregnant and we're going to do everything.
47:17Look at me.
47:18Look at me.
47:18I know this is horrendous.
47:19He's a liar.
47:20All of that stuff.
47:21But let me tell you what I know about you.
47:24This actually is a great chance.
47:26Because I actually think you'll be a great mother because of what happened to you.
47:29You do not need to surround yourself with stuff like that.
47:31And maybe they'll tell me in an hour that you've gone home and you've said, sorry, he's
47:35crying backstage.
47:36Why are you crying?
47:37Why don't you man up and grow a pair and tell her the truth?
47:41Take time with Graham.
47:42Just seriously.
47:44You're pregnant.
47:44That is massively important.
47:46And your choices.
47:47It happens.
47:48But in the end, do you know what I'd do?
47:50I'd be on my own and raise that baby because I think you're better than your mother.
47:53I think you're better than him.
47:54I think you're better than a lot of people you've spent your life with.
47:56And you can give that kid some sort of start.
47:59Look at me.
47:59Well, I won't deny him from seeing it because he's the dad, like I said.
48:04We want to look after you.
48:05Graham's waiting.
48:06Give her a round of applause.
48:07Very brave girl.
48:15Go away.
48:17If I have anything to do with it, I'll make sure she never goes back.
48:19Do you have enough time?
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48:23To my guests, to the audience and to you five watching at home.
48:26I'll see you very soon.
48:26Take care.
48:27Bye-bye.
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