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00:00on today's show you split two months ago yeah she said that she was pregnant with my kid
00:07if i had my suspicions it's a lie you're disgusting they even denied that i was pregnant
00:20my producers saw you smack your friend that's supposed to be the best friend of the world
00:24twice in the face
00:34go until you are pregnant
00:44you do that and then we're gonna get
00:52you do that and then we're gonna get the best friend of the world
01:22and her best mate megan to apologize to him on national television and frankly as he says
01:27get out of my life forever ashley's on the jeremy carl show that way
01:38you look terrified are you all right yeah i know it's a big
02:04that's your ex-girlfriend jess you split two months
02:13yeah talk to me be quiet seriously sorry guys why she said that she was pregnant with
02:19my kid and then said that um she lost it she said that she was making all these like
02:32do me a favor okay because you are a pain in the backside bony body standards after last night so
02:38sit down and be quiet
02:47she lied about being pregnant she told you that the kid was yours she made you kiss her belly
02:54she showed you a photo a scan photo
02:57yeah you went on google and discovered what why did you do that
03:01cause like i had my suspicions that she were lying she kept telling me she was going to hospitals and
03:07every time i told her to wake up and go she kept making excuses
03:11you told my team she kept going on doctor's appointments she wouldn't want me to come with her
03:14i just i just this feeling just gathered and gathered
03:16and then you say and this is really a shocking thing and jess i know this makes her mad
03:21you said conveniently after we'd split up she had a miscarriage
03:26yeah she said that she had a miscarriage and then she said to me uh she went to the doctors
03:32and it was
03:32a misunderstanding and then she put pictures all over facebook saying it's a boy
03:37you even denied that i was pregnant
03:39listen you're a little
03:40yeah coke head mate
03:41yeah you're a coke head
03:42we'll prove it actually mate we'll prove it
03:44you're the coke head
03:45look at you
03:50um i did everything for her because i thought she was pregnant i bought her a phone i bought
03:54her a bed i gave her money she was not the person that she appeared to me best mate is
04:00megan
04:00who's also here today her best mate you say almost like megan led ashley astray
04:05yeah she's alcoholic she the baby she used to sell herself on like for drugs and money
04:12are they used to
04:13oh yeah it's weird i like i like you said anyone and it's you told my team they used to
04:20be foursomes was that with you as well no with other blooes
04:25She does cocaine, she drinks too much, Meghan is the bad one.
04:29Why are you here, though, if you're accusing them of being escorts and you're saying they take drugs?
04:33And if you're not with her, why aren't you running for the pills? Why aren't you here on the show?
04:36I don't understand.
04:40Oh, you think she still wants you?
04:44Yeah, she's telling everyone I still love her, but at the end of the day, she's dead to me.
04:47Like, I only cared, like, about her kids and that.
04:50I was not on the phone, no one yet.
04:51Yeah, tell it. She rang me up telling me to go and sleep with her.
04:55Told my team she thinks you're still in love with her, mate.
04:58No.
04:59I've got the messages, Ashley.
05:01Get them on, then.
05:03She told me last night, she goes, don't make me look like a c*** and come and sleep with me.
05:07And Robbie don't now.
05:08You told me where your own tone was. Stop lying.
05:12Are you still in love with her?
05:13No.
05:14Here she comes, Jessie's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
05:22You are a liar, mate.
05:23My friend, my one and two year old son and daughter, mate.
05:27You threatened my kids, you threatened my kids, saying that you were going to s*** me, mate.
05:33Yes, you did.
05:33On my children's life, so don't sit there and s*** lie, because it's everywhere.
05:37Don't sit there and s*** lie.
05:37Welcome to the show.
05:38My relationship with Ashley was awful in the end.
05:40He was controlling.
05:41He wouldn't let me see my friends.
05:42He said you were out the whole time.
05:44No.
05:44You are a liar.
05:46He took my flat key when we split up.
05:48He took it without me knowing, yeah?
05:49And tried to get in my flat social services.
05:51I've had to change all my locks, because he kept trying to get in.
05:53He said he was a bit creepy.
05:55He was a bit touchy-feely.
05:55He wouldn't let me have a life.
05:56No, he didn't.
05:57It was either him or Megan.
05:59Well, Megan's my friend, so I'm not going to sit there and be controlled by him.
06:01Did he ever threaten you?
06:02No, he threw door keys at me head, but he didn't mean to do it, to be fair.
06:06Who finished the relationship, by the way?
06:08Me.
06:09Because what?
06:09What was your...
06:10Because he was controlling.
06:11Did you or did you...
06:12This is unbelievable.
06:13Even by my standards.
06:15Did you send that message the other day?
06:16If you're not in my bed by 4pm, I'll ring social services on ya.
06:20No, I didn't.
06:21Yes, you did.
06:22No, I didn't.
06:23Yes, all right.
06:23You did send that, didn't you?
06:24Why the hell aren't you at work at 4 o'clock in the afternoon instead of having sex?
06:29Did you send that message?
06:31Come on.
06:33I didn't.
06:33I didn't send that.
06:34I look after my mum, Jess.
06:37Who sent it then?
06:37Who sent it?
06:38Not me.
06:39You're a Megan make face.
06:41Can I just also...
06:42You saw your face when you came around the side.
06:44This guy's accused you of making up the pregnancy and then having a convenient miscarriage when
06:50you left him.
06:50Even though my friend was there when I had a miscarriage, right?
06:52Where was you?
06:53Where was you?
06:54I don't know where are you.
06:55Oh yeah, you're...
06:55What are they?
06:56You knew you were...
06:57Sniffing coat.
06:59I've done a drug test.
07:00Yeah.
07:00Sniffing coat.
07:01You don't even be around me.
07:02You don't live around me, right?
07:03Well, you carry on.
07:04Last night, he rang me.
07:06But hold on a second.
07:06Can I just say something?
07:08What's your relationship like with Megan?
07:09We're good mates.
07:10Yeah?
07:11Good mates.
07:11Okay.
07:11So he came between that, right?
07:13Yeah.
07:14And in the end, you picked Megan over him.
07:16Yeah.
07:16So why are you here?
07:17He says he...
07:18Why are you here, by the way?
07:20Do you want to...
07:20Are you not in love with...
07:22What?
07:22He's been threatening my kids, right?
07:23My daughter's one and she's got a lot of health issues.
07:26My son's two and he threatened.
07:27I had to ring the police to go round and the police had to come and tell you about it.
07:31He's done that, seriously.
07:33Yes, she did.
07:33Yes, you did.
07:34The police come and told you to take everything off of Facebook as well.
07:37He was putting all messages over Facebook, getting people to threaten me.
07:39Did you put that on Facebook?
07:40Yes, she did.
07:41Yes, she did.
07:42So you made that up, did you?
07:43I made that...
07:44The police had to go.
07:45What did she make up?
07:46Go on.
07:46Like, she sent me a scam picture saying it's a boy putting it on Facebook.
07:50No, I didn't send you there.
07:50You said your scam picture was off Google and you were never pregnant.
07:53That's what he said to us.
07:54All right, that was my son's scam photo of me.
07:56But he's saying I got it off of Google and I never put nothing like that at all.
07:59I put on it, how much has my boy grown?
08:02And there was a scam photo of my son and a picture of him now.
08:05So don't even...
08:07You put it on Facebook saying it's a boy.
08:09You're a full-on sausage, you are a full-on sausage.
08:10See, here's the interesting thing, you know, he's very quiet and he's very unassuming
08:14and now everybody in the audience is thinking that maybe, you know,
08:16he's still in love with you and whatever.
08:18But you're an interesting character, aren't you?
08:19Yeah.
08:20Yeah.
08:20Megan's your best mate, yeah?
08:22Mm-hmm.
08:22Yeah, what about last night, darling?
08:24Yeah, I know, I drank too much.
08:25You drank too much?
08:26Let me explain something, I've done this for 13 years and what you did last night
08:30to my team, to the hotel, to the police and to everybody else in Manchester was disgusting.
08:35My producer gets a call to the hotel, nine o'clock last night,
08:38they reported that you and Megan were throwing glasses round the bar area.
08:42Yes or no?
08:43Oh!
08:44Yeah.
08:44You arrived at the hotel, this is my producer arrived at the hotel, you'll only hear this
08:48because of the, because, just have a listen to this, play this please.
08:56Shall we get you to another hotel, yeah?
08:59She intended that she was my mate.
09:01Sit here with me, right, look.
09:03We're not here for this, are we?
09:06No, oh, you're here.
09:09My producer saw you smack your friend that's supposed to be the best friend of the world
09:14twice in the face.
09:15What happened next?
09:16Got carted away by the police, didn't you?
09:19Yeah.
09:20And why didn't you almost make the show this morning?
09:23Because you spent the night in the cells, yeah?
09:25Yeah.
09:26And this from a woman who purports to be a good mother and a woman who apparently is everything.
09:30No, you're not.
09:31You're not, you're not, you're a drunken mess, love, who spent the night in the cells and
09:36running for my people.
09:39I have a good mind, good mother.
09:42A good mother doesn't get drunk, punch a mate in the face and spend the night in a prison cell.
09:47Oh my God.
09:48Back in a minute.
09:50You get smacked in the face twice by your mate.
09:53I smacked you in the face twice and she went in the night in the prison cell.
09:57Right.
09:57And you're all right with that, are you?
09:58We're, we're mates.
10:01You're straight.
10:02Look at her.
10:03You're the one who gave me straight.
10:04Whoa.
10:05Oh, whoa.
10:06Oh, sh...
10:07Look and you're...
10:08You're taking cocaine when you're pregnant.
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10:52Welcome back.
10:53I saw the break.
10:54Whatever I think of him, that's true last night.
10:56Swerving in and out of traffic in the middle of the road.
10:59The police came and picked you.
11:01I'm denying that.
11:02I'm not denying it.
11:03What sort of mother gets drunk and smashes her best mate in the face twice and ends up
11:08in a prison cell?
11:09Go on, explain that.
11:11Go on.
11:11No, no, no.
11:12Go on, explain that to me.
11:14Megan's your best mate.
11:15Is she?
11:15Megan's on the Jeremy Carl show.
11:17This will be fun.
11:27Stalking her, right?
11:28Are you mad?
11:29Look at your main last long time.
11:30You're the one.
11:31You're the one messaging me.
11:33I'm kidding.
11:34Sorry, sorry.
11:35If I miss the point, did she smack you in the face twice?
11:37Hold on a minute.
11:38Yeah, but before we get over that, these things happen.
11:41You get smacked in the face twice by your mate.
11:44She slapped you in the face twice and she went in the night in the prison cell.
11:47Right.
11:48And you're all right with that, are you?
11:49We're mates.
11:50So it is for that she did that to you?
11:52No, I didn't say that.
11:52I didn't say that.
11:53He was friend of me last night telling me where hotel, no, you was telling me he wanted that
11:56where your hotel was.
11:57He went, come and see me.
11:58We'll spend the night together.
11:59And after the show, you told me to sleep with you, Jax.
12:03You told me to come and sleep with you.
12:05You told me to come and sleep with you.
12:06Mate, Brian's got a lot to say.
12:07Where is he?
12:08Where's Ryan?
12:09Who's Ryan?
12:09Brian, he's got a lot to say, but he's not on stage.
12:12Nothing to say.
12:13I actually have nothing to say, to be honest.
12:15It's nothing to do with me.
12:16You have nothing to say on the phone, though.
12:18What?
12:18What did you say?
12:19It's nothing to do with me.
12:20I've just come to support Ashley.
12:21I don't even know these two.
12:22So, exactly.
12:23Exactly.
12:24I've never met you in my life.
12:25Saying that she loves him.
12:26She wants to get back with him.
12:28You are a liar.
12:29Honest to God, I'm not going to lie.
12:30Do you know what I mean?
12:31Yeah, all right then.
12:32Well, you've had a lot to say about us today, but you've never met us.
12:35So, why aren't you on stage supporting from there?
12:37Because I'm excited.
12:37It's my show.
12:38Not yours.
12:40Do you know how much trouble you caused my team last night?
12:45Do you not care?
12:46Yeah, I do.
12:46Yeah, I do care.
12:47And I've apologised this morning.
12:49To be in a public bar area, throwing glasses and getting drunk, yeah?
12:53Getting drunk, yeah.
12:54That means you too, aren't you?
12:55No, we're not.
12:55That's what he said.
12:56He don't know nothing.
12:58All right.
12:58He really...
12:59All right.
12:59So, I've got a minute.
13:00What are all the tests?
13:01Both of you.
13:02I've done one.
13:02I have.
13:03I bet you have.
13:03Yeah, I have.
13:04You're tracking me, Jasmine.
13:05All right, then.
13:06I have done one.
13:06All right.
13:07Who threatened my kids more than once as well?
13:09Call them care bears.
13:10Who's the one stalking?
13:11Who's the one that you were swept at?
13:12Right, they were throughout the break.
13:13You'll love this.
13:14And we did actually get some very basic readings on your drugs test.
13:17They were both completely clear of drugs.
13:48Mother, I'm not really bothered.
13:50I mean, I can tell you what I think here in a heartbeat, right?
13:52You look like a little boy next to her.
13:54I'm not having a go.
13:55You look like a sulky man.
13:56I will bet my life on the fact that you're still in love with her.
13:58Sorry, that's the way I feel about it.
13:59If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
14:00But, darling, if you've got two young kids and those are supposed to be your focus,
14:03and you've got to back me up on this, you shouldn't be binge drinking,
14:06you shouldn't be being violent, you shouldn't be spending the night in the prison cell,
14:08because let me tell you what, they'll take those kids off you quicker than you can say Jack.
14:12And that would be worth nothing, right?
14:14That's why I've asked for support.
14:15She's done the right thing there, but I actually asked him for help.
14:17I brought my kids up on me own.
14:19I know you have.
14:19I know you have.
14:20And my kids are happy, and social services have no problem with them.
14:23But last night was a blip.
14:25But you are making threats, aren't you?
14:26You've got to be honest, because I've seen it, and you know you're on the screen.
14:29I went to a party at the weekend.
14:30Yeah, you have, and you can't sit there all...
14:31I went to a party at the weekend.
14:34I went to my kids' party at the weekend.
14:35No, she didn't.
14:37She did.
14:37I went to my kids.
14:37My kids got invited to a party, right, so I took them to the party, and he, he wasn't
14:42even there, and he took a photo.
14:43Someone took a photo and sent it, and he put it all over with my kids in the picture,
14:47sat on my knees, saying, as if I went with this vial little...
14:50Why would you...
14:51Why?
14:51Did you do that?
14:52No, I didn't do that.
14:53Yes, you did.
14:54Tell by your...
14:55You did that, so stop lying.
14:57You did, didn't you?
15:00Can't believe I was with her for three months, a little...
15:02She's a little...
15:04All right, Angel.
15:05Maybe she is, or maybe...
15:07But I think, look me full square in the face and tell me you're not still in love with
15:11her, mate.
15:11I'm still in love with her.
15:12How many people in this audience think this bloke's still in love with this woman?
15:15By a mile, mate.
15:17Exactly.
15:17All over your face.
15:18Doesn't justify, but at least she sat there and said, I got it wrong last night, I'm trying
15:22to turn my life around.
15:23At least she put her hands in the air.
15:25She must be some sort of mate.
15:26That was wrong last night, mate.
15:28And any sort of mate.
15:29No, I know.
15:29But you, go on, tell me what you're going to admit to.
15:32You have been...
15:33You have sent those messages, haven't you?
15:35No, not those messages.
15:36What's it like to hear a bloke say?
15:37I've already had miscarriages in the past.
15:39And then my son, they've always said that my son, oh, she couldn't have kids, right?
15:42And I had my son and then I had my daughter.
15:43Can I say something without you getting...
15:44And my daughter was born at 26 weeks and he calls her everything.
15:48Yeah.
15:48He calls her.
15:48She's got heart problems.
15:50She's got one wrong.
15:52You put it all in her Facebook.
15:54You want to stop going on Facebook?
15:56Can I tell you something?
15:56Start using contraception love and concentrate on the two kids you've got.
16:00Seriously.
16:01Seriously.
16:02You've got to understand, right?
16:04The way you've come out here and the way you look gives it away, in my humble opinion.
16:10I'm sure she's done stuff.
16:11I'm sure we've all done stuff.
16:12Last night, she was bang out of order.
16:15Not for...
16:16Actually, do you know what?
16:17Not for the hotel, my team, this show.
16:18Bang out of order for her as a mother and we'll work with her.
16:22But you need to leave her alone and stop using Facebook as a means, right, to try and score
16:28cheap points against a mother who's probably got problems and is trying to do something
16:32about it.
16:33Do me a favour and you won't like this.
16:35Go away and grow up, little boy.
16:37That's what you need to do.
16:42Listen to me.
16:43Listen to me.
16:46I'm totally looking at your, you know, different characters and different personalities work,
16:50but last night, it's not good enough.
16:53That's some mate that will come back from that.
16:55A lot of people would have ostracised you.
16:56Yeah, we've been.
16:57We show food.
16:58We bring my children up together.
16:59But what I admire about you is that you've asked for help, right?
17:01And I genuinely mean that.
17:02And try and make that your focus and your kids your focus, yeah?
17:05Yeah, we bring the children up together.
17:07We'll do our best for you.
17:08We'll support you.
17:08Go that way.
17:09Give them a round of applause.
17:10Nice to meet you.
17:10Thanks a lot.
17:11Cheers.
17:16Well, as always, for an instant update on today's guest, you can follow us on Twitter.
17:19That'll be fun.
17:20Right.
17:20I met my next guest, Claire, in the past, on a couple of occasions.
17:24It's no secret that she doesn't get on with her daughter.
17:26Lisa, however, Claire is fuming today.
17:28She's here for what she describes as a final confrontation after discovering that her daughter uses cocaine,
17:35although this girl is 26 weeks pregnant, makes no secret of it and says,
17:41it's my life, it's all right.
17:42Mum Claire's on the Jeremy Carr show again.
17:51Really?
17:52Really?
17:52Which way do you want to go, really?
17:54I don't...
17:55I read this.
17:56I'm like, right, so you and Lisa haven't gone on from day dot.
17:59Let's just lay it all out.
18:00No, let's just lay it all out.
18:01Yeah, we've been had an up and down relationship, right?
18:03She ain't forgiven you for putting her in care, yes or no?
18:07I don't know, ask her that question.
18:09You, by your own admission, you've been very...
18:11Shut up, you've been very honest to me in the past.
18:12She wants to shut up because the point being, what she's doing to someone that hasn't got a voice, yeah?
18:18Right, the point being...
18:20By the way...
18:21Oi, seriously.
18:22Shut her up because she...
18:23Sorry, I'm sorry.
18:25Lisa, you will get your turn, Stidak.
18:27Can I just say something to this audience?
18:30I have had...
18:33You're not straight.
18:35Look at this.
18:35I'm going to get him straight.
18:37Do you want to shut your mouth?
18:39You are the...
18:42Go until you are pregnant.
18:44No, no.
18:47You're not in your...
18:48You're taking cocaine when you're pregnant.
18:51Get off.
18:52Oi, Claire, Claire, get her off.
18:55Sit down.
18:56We'll talk to you in a minute.
18:58Right.
19:00This concerns Lisa, 26 weeks pregnant, and you say,
19:04I have definitive knowledge that this girl will go partying and will take cocaine.
19:10We'll put it this way.
19:11A couple of days ago, sat there, got a phone call from Lisa.
19:14I told her, I said, oh, well, I'm just waiting for such and such a person
19:17because they were dropping off cocaine.
19:19A drug dealer was in her house?
19:21Yeah.
19:21And then, on the Monday, again, I'm going to have a breakdown.
19:27Be quiet.
19:28Shut up.
19:29She's going to say, you were a useless mother, you're a former addict,
19:34and recent.
19:35Be quiet, and recently, by your own admission, shut up.
19:39Yeah, I slipped off the wagon.
19:40I did, I slipped off the wagon.
19:42So, what right does a 42-year-old woman, with respect, who's put her kid in care?
19:46Shut up.
19:48What right, oh, my Lord.
19:51What right, she's going to say, do you have to lecture her because you have been an addict
19:56and you have relapsed?
19:58What right do you have to tell?
20:01I'm going to a break.
20:02Back in a minute.
20:05I don't take cocaine!
20:07You f***ing do!
20:09What do they mean to you if she is your daughter?
20:11It would mean the world to me.
20:13It would mean the world to me.
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20:59Thank you very much, Janine.
21:00Welcome back.
21:01This is Mum Claire.
21:02I just asked you the question before.
21:03She is going to say your daughter she doesn't have a good relationship with.
21:06What right does a woman...
21:07Let me get to the end of the sentence.
21:09Thank you for having a woman to take cocaine, Jeremy!
21:12Well, I'm not saying it isn't.
21:13Be quiet!
21:15Behave!
21:16She is going to say what right does a woman who put me in care who's a former addict who
21:21relapsed
21:21just a few weeks ago have to tell me not to do that.
21:25You're going to say it's because you are 26 weeks pregnant.
21:29You phone social services on her.
21:31Yeah.
21:33The difference...
21:33I don't know whether...
21:34Can you tell your daughter to shut up?
21:36Lauren, please be quiet, just for a minute, baby.
21:38You're doing my head in!
21:39Lauren!
21:41Lauren, please, just be quiet for a minute.
21:43So what I'm trying to say is...
21:44I don't...
21:45I learned to shut up.
21:46That's it.
21:47Oh!
21:49I can't do this if you sit there with your...
21:52I will give...
21:54Will you wait?
21:54You want me to do that?
21:56I just like me up here.
21:57Darling, I will let you speak, darling.
21:58Please.
21:59You are pregnant.
22:00I want you to come out and do your bit, but please...
22:03I don't want to be there, you...
22:05Lisa, let her speak first.
22:08Then I will come to you, okay?
22:10Let her speak first.
22:11Get in there.
22:11Did she just call me a...
22:12Oh, you would say that, didn't you?
22:15Get in there.
22:16No, we're not...
22:16If you don't shut up, I'm going to lie.
22:18Why don't you shut the...
22:19No, we're not...
22:22Why is it my fault?
22:24Because you're agreeing with everything she's doing, Jeremy!
22:27I am letting her speak, then your mother speak, then you speak.
22:30Sit down.
22:30I won't sit down.
22:31Well, stand up, then, because shut up.
22:33Why don't you shut up?
22:37Do you want to take her home with you?
22:39What?
22:39Do you want to take her home with you?
22:40No, I don't.
22:41I'm not going to go home.
22:42I'm going to go to a room on my own.
22:44Right.
22:45I'm not the best mum.
22:46I'm trying now.
22:47She's pregnant.
22:48I've tried to help.
22:49I'm trying to show her the error of my ways.
22:52I've phoned social services because this baby cannot speak out.
22:57I can.
22:58Yes?
22:59That is the point, yes?
23:00I relax once, but I've been off drugs for, like, years.
23:03Right?
23:04Right.
23:04I'm going to tell you something, right?
23:05I know that she's walked out of the studio.
23:06She's very upset.
23:07We're going to go.
23:08We, not old Gobby, we're going to go...
23:10You're a mother.
23:11You want to play being a mother?
23:11Come with me.
23:12Give her a round of applause.
23:19You lot need to stop shouting at each other.
23:21Where are we now?
23:21I'm not shouting.
23:23It's not me.
23:24No.
23:25Lee, stop crying and talk to your mum.
23:28You two stay away from me.
23:29What are you doing?
23:30You two are not going to touch her.
23:32I'm not going to touch her.
23:32You are feeding me drugs.
23:33You are feeding me drugs.
23:35I'll take...
23:37I'll take coke.
23:38You choose to put that out your nose.
23:40There is a...
23:41Right?
23:42Don't you dare.
23:43Right?
23:44All the time I sat there and carrying my keys, I had never wanted to turn drugs.
23:49Don't you dare.
23:50When I was first pregnant, you kept saying to me, oh, do you want a line of coke?
23:54No way.
23:55Don't you dare.
23:56Get up.
23:58You are a fucking asshole.
24:00I think you weren't getting taken off you.
24:02I don't take cocaine.
24:04You fucking do.
24:06There's a reason.
24:07Come here.
24:09You do that and then we're going to get into trouble.
24:16Don't, don't, just please.
24:18Don't retaliate and I'll knock on your back.
24:21You come here right now.
24:23You come here.
24:24You come here.
24:25Right.
24:26Let me tell you something against that wall and you're going to listen to me because you'll
24:29be out of this building.
24:30Try and kick her then.
24:32Did you?
24:33Listen to me.
24:34Listen to me.
24:34It's not worth it.
24:35I will have you, like, gone.
24:38Oh, John.
24:39Listen to me.
24:40You don't kick out at her.
24:42If you've got an argument to make, you make it verbally, not physically.
24:45Do you understand?
24:45Can you get out of my face?
24:46Do you care about that child?
24:47I'll commit you to.
24:47Listen to me.
24:48I don't care about the child.
24:49Then you don't kick out.
24:50But when she's taking cocaine, I open my hands up and say I take...
24:53I can admit it.
24:56That's my neck that she has in her stomach.
24:58Then don't kick out.
24:59Get it?
25:01Really?
25:03She's...
25:04She can't kick out.
25:06She's concerned about the child.
25:08Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh.
25:09We are going to go.
25:11Rest your soul.
25:11If you get pregnant again...
25:13Can I ask you something?
25:14Can I ask you something?
25:15Can I ask you something?
25:17Right, look.
25:17There's one thing, not a word, that bonds everybody together here.
25:21What...
25:21You're going to do the drug test?
25:22The one thing...
25:23Can you pass yours?
25:25No, she couldn't.
25:26The one thing that matters is about the kid.
25:28Yes or no?
25:29That she don't care about...
25:30Right, so...
25:30That she don't care about...
25:31Because she's a selfish...
25:33Get my husband, please.
25:34Why did she take...
25:35I want to do this in here.
25:36Why did she take cocaine when you were pregnant?
25:38I'm not.
25:38I'll tell you what, come with me.
25:40I'm going to talk to her.
25:41Guys, if you do me a favour, sit in the pod and calm down.
25:44Come with me.
25:44Come here.
25:46I'm going to come back on stage with me.
25:48Come here.
25:49You all right to do that?
25:51You okay to do that?
25:52Promise?
25:54Go that way on stage.
25:55Go and sit on stage.
25:57Sit them down in the pod, please.
26:00Careful.
26:05Can you calm them down?
26:07I absolutely acknowledge that you have not had in any way any sort of upbringing.
26:13No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
26:15Both of you in the pod.
26:16I want you to calm her down, your daughter, Claire.
26:19Yeah, well, make it work.
26:21You have been taking cocaine whilst you are pregnant.
26:24Yes or no?
26:25No, I took it twice.
26:27You have taken cocaine whilst you're pregnant.
26:30It doesn't matter what you've been through.
26:32You don't know what I've been through at the minute.
26:34Well, so you want to put that on that kid?
26:35No, I did it.
26:36I did it in an accident.
26:38I did it.
26:38I put my hands up.
26:40I did it twice.
26:40You don't take cocaine twice as an accident, do you?
26:43Well, I didn't sit there and go, oh, yeah, I want to sit there and party on it, did I?
26:46Unless...
26:46Can I say this really calmly?
26:48You have got to acknowledge, hear me out, got to acknowledge that taking anything like
26:54that even once when you're pregnant is absolutely fundamentally wrong.
27:00Yeah, I do.
27:00I know it's wrong.
27:01As she said, this kid can't speak.
27:03I'm calling social services on me.
27:05What's she supposed to do?
27:06Do you want a child that's...
27:07What?
27:07No, if I was doing it every day...
27:09Do you want your child to be born with defects?
27:12No, I don't.
27:12But if I was doing it every day, then yes, I would have to say.
27:16Ridiculous argument.
27:17Do you want your child to be taken away?
27:19No, obviously I don't.
27:20If you won't listen to anybody, what option would she have but for to phone social services?
27:25I have a social worker and I've been working with her and she's been so proud of me.
27:27Well, I hope they know that you've been taking cocaine.
27:30Yeah, they do know.
27:31Would you sit there, please?
27:32Would you sit there?
27:34Would you sit there, please?
27:36Claire, when you come on this stage with your other daughter, we haven't introduced you, Lauren,
27:41this girl's pregnant.
27:42If you care about this grandchild, we're going to bring this down a notch or two.
27:47Get those two back.
27:48Give them a round of applause.
27:56Did you know what I just said?
27:58If you stop shouting, I said, what option do you have?
28:00This could be born with defects.
28:01This could be taken away.
28:03Can you understand why I said you out there?
28:05You're kicking out.
28:06That's no good.
28:06You're sitting now.
28:08Look at your previous situation.
28:09I don't know, right?
28:11And you want to sit there every week.
28:13She says more about herself than that unborn baby.
28:15I'm pregnant.
28:17You want to get there and never go at me.
28:19You don't know, right, though, is it, Claire?
28:21I put my hands up and say I smoke cannabis once in a blue moon.
28:24I don't know.
28:25You're dating a lot of people.
28:27You're dating a lot of people.
28:28You're dating a lot of people.
28:30You're dating a lot of people.
28:47You're dating a lot of people.
28:49You're dating a lot of people.
28:49You've got your 30 in the last week?
28:52And then we found out.
28:53Do you know what?
28:54You've got the 60 in the audience.
28:56I've got the 60.
28:58I've shown them.
28:59So you want to...
29:00So why is it you...
29:01Does anybody work out what this is doing to this kid, by the way, this noise?
29:04What does she think?
29:05Cocaine's in her face with Jeremy.
29:06You can know the fact that she's doing that when she's pregnant
29:09I have been doing everything
29:11I'm sitting here
29:12I'm sending you money
29:14I'm doing everything
29:15Jeremy we've tried time and time again
29:17To build a relationship with her
29:19Let's hear from Lauren
29:21Let's hear from Lauren without everybody telling her to be quiet
29:24I want you to talk
29:25Not scream
29:28Can I have a drop of water please
29:30We've tried time and time again
29:32To build a relationship with this girl
29:34But all she does is throw it back in her face
29:36A couple of days ago
29:37How can she speak
29:39Let Lauren speak
29:40Because I'm asking her to and it's my show
29:43Be quiet you be quiet
29:45Lauren speak please
29:46She called my mum a couple of days ago
29:48And said I'm waiting
29:49So I'm thinking who's her drug dealer to bring her cocaine
29:52No it isn't
29:53So why say to her drug dealer you stupid idiot
29:56You say that your sister's Lisa's house is disgusting
29:59You've never been there
30:00I've never been there no
30:04Shut your mouth
30:05You don't know me
30:06She made
30:07She made
30:08She can do nothing about it
30:10Oh say Lauren has had their two kids taken Lauren
30:12One after the other straight away
30:15The difference
30:15The difference here is my situation
30:17Yeah
30:18Hold on
30:18She sat there
30:19She had a mistake
30:20I tried fighting for my kids
30:22I tried fighting for my kids
30:24I didn't bother you yet
30:25Can I just say so
30:27Can I just say so
30:28It's a mistake
30:29She's got an impact
30:30You're having your kids taken
30:31You're a mistake
30:32You're going to your partner
30:33Let's have another kid next year
30:35Claire
30:35Claire
30:36Can I point something out
30:37This then becomes a disgusting competition
30:39If I could speak without being interrupted
30:41Whereby it's
30:41How many kids have we all had
30:43How many have we had taken away
30:45Who's done drugs first
30:46I'm going to do this really calmly
30:47Just hear me out
30:47You know me right
30:48You haven't been the greatest wrong
30:50That doesn't
30:52That doesn't
30:53That doesn't
30:54Mean that she should follow suit
30:56You can tell me it's once
30:58You can tell me it's twice
30:59And repeat something
31:01I say a lot on this show
31:02Please Lauren
31:03There are people watching this show
31:05Who crave having a kid
31:07And you
31:07Who don't seem to give a damn
31:09About your unborn child
31:12Oh my god
31:12I've said I didn't have my kids
31:14I'm fighting for my kids
31:15I chose not to
31:16Look at the sight of you
31:18Look at the sight of you
31:19Look at the sight of you
31:21Has anybody worked out
31:23What will happen to this kid
31:25Because I don't care
31:25What you said about social work
31:26Your child will be taken away
31:28From you
31:29She's making a blind
31:31You're just admitted on national television
31:34Sit down
31:36I'm sorry
31:36You can call two you want
31:38You've just admitted on national television
31:41You take cocaine
31:42Thank you
31:47You just admitted on national television
31:49You sniff coke
31:50You're so rude
31:51You're so rude
31:51To wherever you're going
31:53No, no, no, no
31:57Where does this end?
31:58Where does this end?
32:00I tried
32:01Lauren, please
32:02I said she weren't pregnant
32:04Get her done
32:05She hasn't done nothing
32:07You're the cocaine
32:09Calm down
32:11You think that's right then?
32:13You called
32:13That's why
32:13When my mum
32:14What to do with you?
32:16Now get her
32:17When we were in the hotel last night
32:20Yeah, we was having prank calls
32:21At half three in the morning
32:23Yeah, thinking it's funny
32:23I've had it for the last time
32:24I can't hear that
32:26I can't hear that
32:26I can't hear that
32:28I can't hear that
32:29I can't hear that
32:29I can't hear that
32:40I can't hear that
32:51Tell them what you want
32:52So we can sort this out for you
32:54Tell Jeremy what you want, okay?
32:57No, Kaz, don't go
32:58Come, come, come, come, come
33:01What do you want?
33:02I'll be left alone by them
33:05You will?
33:05What they've done is threaten me
33:06All the time, Jeremy
33:07And I've been trying to tell them
33:09Just leave me alone
33:10Let me get on with my life
33:11Make me make my mistakes
33:13I'm interested in these people
33:14Trying to get you to a point, right?
33:16Where you feel okay about the future
33:19And about your life
33:19So you want to be a good mum
33:20And a good person
33:21And ignore that
33:23Because that ain't going to get any better
33:24Then stop using your mother's past
33:26As a reason to screw your own life up
33:28No, it's not
33:28It's nothing to do with my mother
33:29I did it
33:30I did it
33:31Right
33:31Do you understand that taking cocaine
33:33Whilst pregnant
33:34Is absolutely despicable and wrong
33:38Right
33:38We will make sure that we help you try and not do that
33:42And try and be the best mum you can
33:45So that maybe this baby can be your salvation
33:48Forget the war
33:50Think about your kid
33:51That's what we want to do
33:53Yes?
33:55Gwyneth?
33:56Graham?
33:57Kaz?
33:58Yours?
33:58Go over here
34:00Go over here
34:07Right, listen
34:08I'm tired
34:08In exactly the same calm way
34:10Just so you heard that
34:11I don't in any way
34:12You're not going to listen to me, are you?
34:13No, Jeremy
34:14I'm listening
34:14Can you not?
34:15Just let him talk, please, though
34:17Please let him talk
34:18I'm old
34:19I'm tired
34:19I've had enough
34:20How do you think I feel
34:21Yeah, well, you have six kids
34:23I'll tell you what
34:23You take them all along
34:24He's got four, not six
34:25All right
34:26Listen
34:26Five girls
34:27Yeah, go on
34:28Listen
34:29Maybe she'll never listen
34:30Maybe she'll listen to us
34:31I don't know
34:31But the war
34:32The threats
34:33All of that has to stop
34:35Because the irony is
34:36Is that everybody, it seems
34:38Wants the same thing
34:39Be it for their grandchild
34:40Their nephew
34:40Or their son
34:42But everybody needs to work together
34:44I'm not doing any more shouting
34:45We don't want nothing to do with her
34:47There's no point
34:47We've tried time and time again, Jeremy
34:49And she don't
34:50The difference is
34:50I hope that you can give her something
34:53But to be quite honest with you
34:54If you do it once
34:55And she's done it
34:56It's just going to be a situation
34:58I don't know
34:59I hope I'm wrong
35:00Well, listen, listen
35:00I hope you're wrong
35:02But the remit of the show
35:03Is that we at least have to try
35:05It's like anything
35:06You can offer people the help
35:08Will they use it?
35:09I will say one thing about you
35:11From the very first time I met you
35:13You came out
35:13And you said
35:14These are my mistakes
35:15And you've made a few
35:16We've all made a few
35:16But I do believe
35:17Although it doesn't always come out
35:18In the best way
35:19That you are trying to put it right
35:21By your kids
35:21Okay
35:22You, I understand
35:23Because of what you've gone through
35:25And we can't talk about it
35:25That you're very passionate about this
35:27But
35:28You need to stop the shouting
35:29And let us see what we can do
35:30Alright
35:30We'll leave it at that
35:31Give them a round of applause
35:32Thank you guys
35:36Unbelievable
35:37Listen
35:37We'll do what we can for her
35:39We'll let you know
35:39We'll try and keep them apart
35:41And try and support them
35:42We'll fill you in
35:43Right
35:43My next guest today
35:43Natalie is here
35:44For all important DNA results
35:45She was told
35:46The man she calls dad
35:47Might not be in fact
35:49Her father after all
35:50She says
35:50Her world has been turned upside down
35:51Of the devastating allegation
35:53And she is desperately hoping
35:54That this is nothing but a lie
35:55This is a huge moment
35:57For a very sensitive girl
35:58Natalie's on the Jeremy Kyle show
36:06That way
36:08This is a very strange
36:10And different story
36:11Potential daughter to Gareth
36:12You're 18
36:14Was Gareth in your life
36:16Growing up?
36:16No he wasn't in my life
36:17When I was growing up
36:19But you had a relationship
36:20With him from when?
36:22When I was 16 years old
36:24Did you go and look for him
36:24Or did he come and look for you?
36:26Well I went to look for him
36:27What have the last two years been like?
36:29Well it's been amazing
36:31That he was there for me
36:32Since I was 16
36:34What does he mean to you darling?
36:35Everything
36:36Then you get this vicious message
36:38We can't go into specifics
36:40Of who sent it
36:41But what did it say?
36:42It said that he was my father
36:44Just out of the blue?
36:45Yeah
36:46What would it mean if he is?
36:48It mean the world to me
36:49Let's get him out
36:50Gareth's on the show guys
36:51That way
37:05Why would somebody do a message like that
37:07Out of the blue
37:08After 16, 18 years
37:10What is somebody don't like it
37:11Because we are closer
37:13And we are getting closer and closer
37:15And they are jealous
37:17And I get a message
37:19And I'm not her father
37:21She means the world to me
37:22Oh look aren't they lovely
37:25What would it mean to you
37:26If she is your daughter?
37:28It would mean the hell of a lot
37:30And to you my darling?
37:32It would mean the world to me
37:35He is your dad
37:59I'm going to sound like an old man now
38:01Listen
38:02People say awful things sometimes
38:05They say it because their own lives are boring
38:07Or because they are jealous
38:09Or because they want to score points
38:11But the people that do things like that
38:13Aren't worth anything
38:14Glad you came
38:15Yeah
38:15Amazing part
38:16Give them a round of applause
38:17They are going that way
38:18Thanks for coming
38:21Hey
38:23Father and daughter are happy
38:24And more after the rape
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38:35If that sea wants you
38:37It has to take you
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39:29Welcome back
39:30Now Paige
39:31My next guest
39:31Is waiting nervously backstage
39:33In just a few days time
39:34It will mark the one year anniversary
39:36Since her brother Josh drowned
39:38And she is desperate
39:39And I mean desperate
39:39To get a family
39:41That she says are falling to bits
39:42Back on track
39:43Big day for her
39:44Give her a nice welcome
39:45Paige is on the Jeremy Carl Show
39:46That way
39:56She's shaking
39:57You'll be fine
39:58Welcome to the show
39:59Thanks for coming on
40:00Sandy's your mum
40:01Yeah
40:03Josh was your brother
40:04Don't worry about them
40:05Sorry
40:06They'll be fine
40:08Tell us about Josh
40:09Obviously it's difficult
40:10In fact let me start differently
40:12Is this about your family
40:14Is this
40:14Is this a way of
40:16Of maybe bringing people together
40:17Why are you doing this
40:18I'm doing this
40:20To help my family
40:22So they
40:23They already have started grieving
40:25Well I
40:25Never have
40:26I
40:26I haven't
40:28Got to that level yet
40:29Josh was a fisherman
40:30He got drunk one night
40:31On the way back to the boat
40:33Tell us what happened
40:34They docked in
40:35Because they was going out
40:36The next morning
40:37So they thought
40:38We'd go out
40:38For a couple of drinks
40:40It wasn't a couple drinks
40:42Josh
40:43Was four times over
40:44The drink driving limit
40:45And tried to return
40:46Back to the boat
40:47You say you lost your dad
40:49When you were eight
40:50And Josh was really
40:51The role model
40:52And the father figure
40:53That you
40:54You know
40:55Always looked up to
40:56Both of like
40:57I've got two older brothers
40:58Ryan and Josh
40:59Like Josh was my mum
41:00And Ryan was my dad
41:02Like
41:03You say he was a brilliant uncle
41:04To your daughter
41:05Amazing
41:06And he was
41:07Like that proud uncle
41:09You know
41:09When
41:09Like you come out of hospital
41:11And he's like
41:12Well aren't you home yet
41:13I want to see her
41:14He just couldn't wait
41:15He spoiled her
41:16He would always buy her toys
41:17And like fill the house up
41:19He just loved her
41:21You've said that your mum
41:22Can't move on
41:23She's a recluse
41:24She can't stand to be alone
41:25In the house
41:26What about you?
41:28What about you?
41:29How do you deal with it?
41:31I
41:32I don't
41:33I put it into a box
41:37I just get angry
41:40Angry at him
41:41Or angry at the situation?
41:43Both
41:44What about your mum?
41:45All the time
41:46She blames herself
41:48She
41:49What do you want to say to her?
41:51That
41:52It's not her
41:54She always beats herself up
41:56Because she's had to bury her son
41:57It's not
41:58She didn't
41:59This lady is so affected by this
42:01She's taken her job
42:02As a full-time carer
42:03So she doesn't have to be at home
42:04Because that's where he lived
42:05With her
42:06Yeah
42:06And if she goes home
42:07She drinks
42:08So it blocks it out
42:10Sandy's on the Jeremy Kyle show
42:12Give her a round of applause
42:28Sandy welcome to the show
42:29I have to say something
42:30I don't have a magic wand
42:34And I don't probably have the right words
42:37You can't get over your son's death
42:39How can you?
42:40I get completely
42:41When you said
42:41It's like a big bad dream
42:44It's more than a bad dream
42:46It's
42:49It's just devastating
42:50You know
42:51I mean nobody can
42:54Truly understand
42:55I don't think
42:57Apart from those special people up there
43:00Who are those?
43:02They're like my sisters
43:03Jackie and Rachel
43:04How are you guys?
43:06You all right?
43:06They've kept me so strong
43:08You wouldn't believe
43:08They're absolutely amazing
43:10You never want to even think about the horror of burying your own children
43:15No, no
43:16And that's something that I had to do
43:19They're my world
43:22And my
43:25He liked to eat then
43:26He would say he was eating like a Viking
43:28He did
43:30I don't know in grief
43:32I remember Graham once said to me that grief's a very personal thing
43:35And you go through every stage of it
43:38Whether it's anger or bitterness or devastation or whatever
43:42What do you do?
43:43Do you give up on life yourself?
43:44You've got lots to live for
43:45Yeah, no
43:46I don't give up on life
43:48Not at all
43:49It's something
43:50It's easier for me to block it out
43:52Your daughter says you're drinking to block it out
43:54Yeah
43:54And it's easy that way, you know
43:56I mean
43:57It's something I'll never get over
43:59But it's something I have to accept
44:00But
44:03Isn't there a sad irony there
44:04That you go home to block it out and drink
44:06And that's what caused his death
44:09At the end of the day
44:10Have you had help at all, Sandy?
44:12Have you had people to talk to?
44:14Have you been
44:14I'm in the audience
44:16That's why I would like them here
44:17Because they would like to speak about him too
44:20Do you want to come down here?
44:21Yes, please
44:22Do you want to come down here?
44:23Go on, give them a round of applause
44:24Get them a seat
44:25All right, guys
44:29Nice to meet you
44:30All right, Jeremy
44:31What's your name?
44:32Jackie
44:33Jackie, take a seat
44:33Rachel
44:34All right, go
44:35Jackie
44:36Tell us how difficult this has been
44:39What can you do?
44:41There's nothing you can do
44:42Apart from just sit with her
44:44And talk to her
44:45And help her
44:46And support her
44:47Would you agree with that, Rachel?
44:48You say it's such a close family
44:49Just be by her side, right?
44:51Yeah
44:51Think she'll ever get over it?
44:53No
44:53No, not ever
44:55What's your relationship like with Paige?
44:57She's amazing, by the way
44:58Oh, amazing
45:00Paige and my other son, Ryan
45:02Is a fisherman
45:03And that's a constant worry
45:06You know, if I'm home
45:07And he's home late
45:09You know
45:09And you ring his phone
45:11You can't get hold of him
45:12You start to panic
45:13Yeah, you think the same thing, Sam
45:14Let's get Graham on the show
45:15Give him a round of applause, guys
45:18Great, it sounds
45:23It sounds a really easy thing to say
45:25We talked about this for 13 years
45:26About grief
45:27You've always told me
45:28It's such a long process
45:30The myth is
45:31That you lose a loved one
45:32You grieve
45:33You find closure
45:34And then you move on
45:35It's exactly not that
45:37No
45:38Okay
45:39This is the reality
45:40I like what you said
45:42And you said
45:42I'll never get over this
45:44And you won't
45:45You absolutely won't
45:47And the best that you can hope for
45:49Is to cope with this loss
45:52And over time
45:53The intensity of those emotions
45:55They will subside
45:58But it's how you cope in the moment
46:00When I get upset about it
46:02I just think
46:03What can I do
46:03To change the world
46:04What can I do
46:06Even if I prevent
46:07A run death of a fisherman
46:09I've done my job
46:10Even if I make people aware
46:13It's not just about fishermen
46:14Like if you're drinking around water
46:17You need to be careful
46:18You can't
46:19You can't
46:20You cannot beat nature
46:22If that sea wants you
46:24It has to take you
46:26But you have to be safe around it
46:28And these fishermen
46:29It's not just about the bank balance
46:31It's not
46:34It's not about the money
46:36If these young lads
46:38Haven't got a life
46:40Or their family
46:41Haven't got them
46:42It doesn't matter
46:43If you've got thousands in the bank
46:44If you can't withdraw it
46:45And have happiness
46:46I agree with you
46:47Graham just
46:48And you know in the first year
46:50It's the hardest year
46:51And you will struggle
46:52Because there are significant events
46:54Within that first year
46:55That would always trigger
46:57Those emotional memories
46:59And you know
47:00Such as birthdays
47:01And Christmas
47:02And coming up
47:03This one year anniversary
47:05Of his death
47:05And they
47:06It is
47:07It is a difficult time
47:09But
47:10There are also
47:13Support services
47:14And I know
47:14These two ladies here
47:15Are amazingly
47:16Good to you
47:18And they support you
47:19Throughout your loss
47:20But
47:20You are still
47:22Overwhelmed
47:23Emotionally
47:24By your loss
47:25Can we help?
47:26Only
47:27If you need that help
47:28And you want that help
47:29Then you could go into
47:31A counselling service
47:32That will help you
47:34Process your loss
47:36Please take that help
47:38Both of you together
47:39Work it together
47:39Please Sandra
47:41And this is your support service
47:43Encouraging you to do that
47:45This is quite interesting
47:46You don't want to do
47:47Do you see that as weakness?
47:50I don't know what I see it as
47:51To be honest with you
47:52I love what your sister said
47:54You should do it
47:54With your daughter
47:56You should do it together
47:57She said to us
47:58Quite specifically
48:00I've tried to be a rock
48:01But I haven't grieved
48:02I think
48:02I don't know if Graham
48:03Would agree
48:03I think it's something
48:04That you would both
48:05Benefit from
48:06If you keep all of this
48:07Inside
48:08You're hurting yourself
48:09You're hurting yourself more
48:10Yeah
48:11It's very true
48:12Paige has taken on
48:13A matriarch role
48:15In the family
48:16And Paige needs to step back
48:19And let go of that role
48:20Will you accept her help?
48:23Will you?
48:24Yes
48:25Run this
48:26Thank you very much
48:28For coming on
48:29And for this morning
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48:36Take care
48:36Bye bye for now
48:37Thank you
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