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00:00On today's show...
00:01Dad turns up to me and he goes to me.
00:04He doesn't say after birth to you or hi, son.
00:05It's, son, I want to be a woman.
00:08Really?
00:10I love you, the bitch.
00:12Every bit of me, I love you.
00:14You do this, you're going to lose half your family.
00:17I want you in my life, Dad.
00:19As a man or as a woman?
00:20As a man. I want my dad. I want...
00:23Mum?
00:25The DNA test is going to show that Jessie...
00:33Beth was, is or isn't your best mate?
00:36She was my best friend.
00:37I left her in the house with my son.
00:40So when you come back, I said, where's your phone?
00:43And he was like, it's upstairs.
00:44We ran upstairs and it was gone.
00:46You're meant to be my best friend!
00:48Show your mouth! Show your mouth!
00:50Show your mouth!
00:51My son!
00:53You've never seen me this filming before, you know, never!
00:56I don't care.
00:56Be quiet!
00:57Yes! Yes!
00:58Yes! Yes! Yes!
01:00Did you get out of the room, Dad, me?
01:01Yes!
01:02Do you know what?
01:03Do one!
01:04Oh, no!
01:06No! No! No! No!
01:10Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
01:12APPLAUSE
01:16Are you alright?
01:17Oh, yeah.
01:18Right?
01:19Don't let me stick on the chair.
01:20Right?
01:21Hello.
01:22Are you alright?
01:24Hello!
01:30Thank you, my friends, good morning and as ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:33Now, our first guest today, Andy, is here to tell his dad
01:36that he will never accept him whilst he chooses to dress as a woman.
01:41And shake this, Andy is demanding a DNA test today,
01:44claiming his dad has always treated him differently
01:45and he says he's hoping that the DNA proves this guy is not his real father.
01:50There is so much to this story, but this young man says,
01:52I am here today at 24 to get this sorted, to get my point of view across.
01:57Andy is first on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
02:04Now, I am just going to, I did the introduction, I know you're nervous.
02:11I will never accept my potential father as a woman.
02:15I'm going to point out that this guy is going to talk about Shane.
02:19Yes.
02:19The guy that brought you up.
02:21Yep.
02:21He wants to be known as she, it's very difficult for me, but Jesse,
02:25and that's what...
02:26So say.
02:28Right.
02:29That's what we'll call him.
02:30Yep.
02:32Possible son, not sure about why there's confusion,
02:35but let's just talk about...
02:38I'm reading this this morning.
02:40You have major, major issues.
02:43Now, of course, people watching this,
02:45some will get offended by your opinions,
02:47others will go, I understand that.
02:48This is potentially your father.
02:51Why are you so against him as a human being?
02:54I think that's the first question.
02:56Well, I'm a Christian.
02:58I'm not a full Christian, but I've been raised as one with my grandparents.
03:02And I got questions asked, like,
03:04do you believe in bisexual, lesbian, gay?
03:07And I was like, yeah, it's fine.
03:07But when you get...
03:08I don't think God would put you on this earth as a man for you to be a woman.
03:12It's like, what's the point in that,
03:14when you're called a father at the same time?
03:17I think what you have to do,
03:18and it's not for me to give really an opinion,
03:22I'm just going to try and help,
03:23because if this guy is your father,
03:26then that is your right to have whatever opinion you choose to have.
03:29I think you have to think beyond it's not right to...
03:34Yeah.
03:34If you have known that you are perhaps trapped in the wrong body,
03:39if you've known that for years you've had to live a lie...
03:43Yeah.
03:43Then surely in a civilised society in the year 2015,
03:47if you're not breaking any laws,
03:49you have every right to live exactly how you want to live.
03:53And in fact, I sort of think as society,
03:54we should applaud somebody who's brave enough to be who they want to be.
03:57Yeah.
03:57Or who they are.
03:58I agree in some stages.
04:01But what I don't get,
04:01if he wanted to be a woman all his life,
04:03why is he just coming up now?
04:05Why did he get it done before I was even born?
04:07This is what I'm not getting.
04:09What these people need to know is,
04:10tell them what your 18th birthday present was.
04:1218th birthday.
04:14I've just turned 18.
04:15Well, you would have done because it was your 18th birthday.
04:17My dad turns up to me and he goes to me,
04:20he doesn't say happy birthday or hi, son.
04:22It's, son, I want to be a woman.
04:24That's not the best present, is it?
04:26You know what I mean?
04:26It's all right if you said happy birthday for us, but...
04:28Happy birthday, I want to be a woman.
04:30Instead of...
04:31And that's how...
04:31It's even worse, they told me you're on my 18th birthday.
04:34Why couldn't you wait?
04:35When you see Shane's joke, Jesse, now, what do you feel?
04:39He's showed me as a woman and I was fine with it.
04:41I was like, okay, fair enough.
04:43Is it shocking?
04:44Is it embarrassing?
04:44Is it sad?
04:45It is very shocking.
04:45It's very embarrassing,
04:46but I'll get that into further stages later.
04:48But it's very shocking,
04:50as I know him as my dad all my life,
04:51and I've never actually seen dressed as a woman until now.
04:54When did you see him?
04:56He came around one time,
04:58I think it was about two months ago now,
05:00and he goes to me,
05:01do you mind if I came and dressed as a woman?
05:03I was like, no, by all means.
05:04So he came and dressed as a woman.
05:06I was like, oh, fair enough.
05:07Didn't say anything about it.
05:08I was like, okay, and left it as that.
05:11But the interesting thing,
05:11the other side of this story,
05:13which I think is massively relevant,
05:14is you say he wasn't a very good dad.
05:16He was a violent person.
05:18He's very violent.
05:20When I was 16, I'd just started college.
05:23I was there less than a week,
05:25and we had a fight,
05:27and what he did was he grabbed my arm
05:29and pushed it beyond my back as far as it could go.
05:31It was hurting.
05:33I felt like it was going to break.
05:34He told my team he nearly broke your arm.
05:35I was crying in tears,
05:37where it was so painful,
05:37screaming for my nan.
05:38What's really interesting,
05:39there's so many strands to this story.
05:41Now, please bear with me,
05:42because I'm not the greatest authority in this.
05:44Your dad, who's living as a woman,
05:47Jessie,
05:49met a girl called Jo.
05:51Yes.
05:53Jo is very supportive of Jessie,
05:56and is happy to be with her throughout this whole process.
06:00Yeah.
06:00Why do you hate the girlfriend?
06:03I've got no problem with Jo.
06:04I don't mind Jo.
06:06And I explained this to her,
06:08and it just seems every time I try to talk to him,
06:11at the end of the day,
06:11he just gets angry.
06:13Jessie wants to come on this show and say,
06:16I love you,
06:17but this is my choice.
06:18This is the lifestyle I want to live,
06:21and it is not for me,
06:23or anybody in the audience,
06:24to have an opinion.
06:25It's for you and your father,
06:26I guess,
06:27to sort this out.
06:28Jessie's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
06:41I really,
06:42really do love you,
06:43but will you just turn around and look up and said,
06:46if I broke your arm,
06:48your arm would have been in a sling,
06:50and it would have been broke.
06:51No,
06:51you still showed up my back.
06:53You still showed up my back.
06:55You carried on.
06:56No one stopped you,
06:56Dad.
06:57You would have broke my arm.
06:58But I would have stopped.
07:00My arm was hurting for a week after,
07:01I twisted your arm,
07:02and I didn't break it.
07:04Sir,
07:04explain to me,
07:05how does an arm go from up here to twisted,
07:07and you lift it as far as it goes?
07:09I twisted it about that far,
07:10Anne.
07:11It was on my back.
07:11I didn't put it right down.
07:12It was on my back.
07:13I wouldn't do that to my son.
07:14I love my son.
07:15If I had a camcorder,
07:16Dad,
07:16I would have recorded it,
07:17and I would have let the world to see what you've been up to.
07:18Andrew,
07:19I love you,
07:20I love all my kids,
07:21and I love my grandchildren.
07:23Do you,
07:23though?
07:24Yes,
07:24that's the question I know.
07:25Do you,
07:26Dad?
07:26I do.
07:27Every scar I've got is a memory that you haven't been there for me.
07:31Every scar,
07:32Dad.
07:33What do you think I'm trying to make it up to,
07:34Anne?
07:35This ain't helping.
07:36How is this helping us to sort the problems that we have?
07:39You're making it worse.
07:40You don't see,
07:41you're breaking the family.
07:42And you're making it worse as well,
07:43son.
07:44Because I'm getting through now.
07:46Because you're,
07:46but why the hell have you put all this on Facebook?
07:49I haven't put nothing on Facebook.
07:50Would you like to say it on Facebook?
07:52You put it on Facebook.
07:54Oh,
07:54that's funny,
07:55because when I first...
07:57Why is Facebook relevant?
07:58Hello.
07:59Well,
07:59hello,
08:00Jeremy.
08:00Sorry to bother you.
08:01I find this,
08:02I find this fascinating to the wrong word.
08:05He's calling you Dad.
08:08I'm trying,
08:09and I want to try,
08:11to do this in the best way possible.
08:14You would accept,
08:15Jesse Wright,
08:15that for a young man of now 24,
08:18to spend 18 years of his life.
08:22It was Dad.
08:23His 18th birthday,
08:25you said,
08:25by the way,
08:25I want to live as a woman.
08:26Would you not accept
08:27that that is one hell of a shock?
08:30I can say it was a shock,
08:32but he didn't know
08:33before he was 18.
08:35But you probably told me
08:36when I was 18.
08:37You couldn't tell me
08:38after my birthday,
08:39Dad,
08:39you told me on my birthday.
08:40How long has this been going on?
08:41How long have you had these feelings?
08:44A long,
08:44long time.
08:45You told my team
08:45I've always wanted to be a woman
08:46I've known since I was young.
08:48Yeah.
08:49How difficult is that?
08:51Hard.
08:52Why have you hidden it?
08:53Why did you go with
08:54the stereotypical heterosexual
08:56let's have a baby?
08:56Why did you do all of that?
08:57Were you trying to fight against it?
08:58Were you trying to be accepted?
08:59What?
09:01I don't really know.
09:02No, you do.
09:03And you've gone very quiet,
09:04which means you know
09:05exactly what you think,
09:06but you don't want to say it.
09:07It's very brave,
09:08yes,
09:09but
09:10why did you hide it
09:11for so long?
09:11Because I preferred
09:13to be a woman
09:14and what I do with a man.
09:15I don't know why.
09:16In fact,
09:16I was born in a wrong body
09:18or whatever.
09:18I don't know.
09:19But you always knew
09:20that there was something
09:21different about you.
09:21Yes.
09:22Were you too shy
09:23or embarrassed
09:23to be honest?
09:24I was embarrassed,
09:25yes.
09:25I admit it.
09:26Why are we doing a DNA,
09:27Jesse?
09:29Because there's rumours
09:30going around,
09:32which we don't know
09:33what's happened,
09:34so yeah,
09:35go on.
09:36Come on.
09:36Carry on.
09:37Talk to me.
09:37Stop doing...
09:38Carry on.
09:38And even you
09:39have backed me up on this one.
09:40Why are we doing a DNA?
09:40Hello,
09:41simply speak to me.
09:42Why are we doing a DNA?
09:43We're doing a DNA
09:44to stop this rumours
09:46going wrong.
09:47Yeah?
09:47Yeah?
09:48Saying that Andrew
09:49is not my son.
09:50Well,
09:50who set those rumours?
09:51You're 100% sure
09:52that he's yours,
09:53right?
09:54I'll guarantee you that.
09:55A statement from the mother,
09:56Tracy,
09:57your mum,
09:57I was never unfaithful
09:58to Shane
09:59during our relationship.
09:59I'm shocked
10:00at a DNA test
10:01that's even been considered.
10:02I'm 100% sure
10:03that Shane is Andrew's father.
10:04I caught him wearing
10:05a bra and a dress of mine.
10:07I came back to my flat
10:08one day
10:09with a big bag
10:10full of ladies'
10:11dresses,
10:11underwear and makeup.
10:12It's wrong.
10:13He doesn't care about Andrew.
10:14He's never bothered with him.
10:15He's a horrible man
10:16and a terrible father.
10:17That's your ex.
10:19And she said that.
10:20Yes,
10:21she did.
10:21And after the break,
10:22Joe,
10:22your partner,
10:24you and certain members
10:26of this family
10:26think that she is
10:27in some way behind this,
10:28if you're absolutely honest.
10:30They think,
10:30and I just want to
10:31throw this out there,
10:32that your ability now
10:33to come out
10:34and be who you are,
10:35which we totally support,
10:36has only come about
10:37since this lady
10:38came into your life.
10:39We're back next
10:40and all-important DNA
10:41is on the way.
10:41Don't go anywhere.
10:42I love Jessie
10:44for who she is
10:45and you've got to accept that.
10:47You do this,
10:48you're going to lose
10:48half your family.
10:50I want you in my life, Dad.
10:52As a man or as a woman?
10:53As a man.
10:54I want my dad.
10:55I want...
10:56Mum?
10:57The DNA testers
10:58are going to show
10:58that Jessie...
11:05APPLAUSE
11:10Thank you very much.
11:11Welcome back
11:12to Fort O'Blaque,
11:13Andrew and Jessie.
11:14It's a fascinating story.
11:15Completely accept, Jessie,
11:17that you say,
11:17I've always wanted
11:18to be a woman,
11:18I've spent my life
11:19in the wrong body.
11:20But there's more to this.
11:22This isn't just a son
11:22coming out saying,
11:23I object,
11:24I'm embarrassed.
11:25He said those things.
11:26He was honest about the shock.
11:27But he said,
11:28you weren't a great dad.
11:29There are rumours
11:29that in fact you weren't
11:30or might not even be his father.
11:32We bring it on to Joe.
11:33Joe is your partner.
11:34Now, will you please
11:35not frown at me
11:36while I ask this?
11:37Because I'm just trying
11:37to explain it.
11:38You met Joe
11:40when you were a transsexual
11:41when you were living as...
11:43What?
11:45Well, I was living at my...
11:46It doesn't matter
11:47where you were living.
11:48Were you living
11:48as a man or a woman?
11:51I was in between
11:52a man and a woman
11:53because what happened
11:54is when I was at work
11:55I could not wear
11:56women's clothes
11:57when I was at work.
11:59She knew
12:00from very early on.
12:01Yeah, she knew.
12:01She knew since day one,
12:03since the first day
12:03I hadn't told her.
12:04And she has stayed with you
12:06and you are going
12:07to go through surgery
12:08and become a woman
12:09and she will stay with you?
12:10Yeah.
12:11Right.
12:12Joe's on the Jeremy Kyle show,
12:13ladies and gentlemen.
12:24And you've got to accept that.
12:26Well, this is strange
12:26because you didn't want
12:27to be a man
12:27and you were dressed
12:28as a woman.
12:30Explain that.
12:31Yeah.
12:32You want to be a man
12:32but you're a woman.
12:33Who wants to be a man?
12:35This nice thing here...
12:36That's what he's saying.
12:37If I wear jeans
12:38and T-shirts.
12:40No, you've told me.
12:41I know.
12:41You have told me
12:42and Beth...
12:43Can we just...
12:43Can we just talk
12:44about your partner?
12:45Could we...
12:46Joe, welcome to the show.
12:47Hello.
12:48I really admire Jesse
12:49for being here
12:50but there seem to be
12:51more issues to this story
12:52than just a man
12:53who's trapped
12:53in the wrong body
12:54and I think anybody,
12:55I think it's important,
12:56should respect somebody
12:57who has had to make
12:59such a monumental decision
13:00after so long
13:01but the truth of the matter
13:02is that Jesse's son,
13:04Andy says,
13:05potential son,
13:06don't even know
13:06why we're doing a DNA,
13:07but that he wasn't
13:08a very good father,
13:09that this is masking
13:12almost the real person
13:13when you met
13:14you were aware
13:15of his lifestyle,
13:16her lifestyle
13:17and being struck.
13:18We met
13:19and that half an hour
13:20before he came out
13:22to pick me up
13:24he rang me up
13:25and told me
13:26he's a cross-dresser.
13:29What did you expect her
13:30to say?
13:32You expect her to do one?
13:35Well, I just thought
13:36you might as well be honest
13:37because if you don't be honest
13:39then it's going to be
13:40harder for you,
13:41isn't it?
13:42Like, if you don't tell
13:43that certain person
13:43or anything like that.
13:44You embrace this whole lifestyle.
13:45You buy Jesse clothes
13:47and everything,
13:47don't you?
13:48Everything.
13:49I buy more clothes
13:50for Jesse
13:50than I do with me.
13:51We share our clothes.
13:53You share your clothes?
13:54Yeah.
13:55Saves money.
13:56What happens,
13:57what happens,
13:58I'm just being honest,
14:00what happens
14:01when Jesse has
14:02the operation,
14:03something I know
14:03you'd like
14:03as soon as possible,
14:04what happens?
14:05If I had money for it,
14:07Jesse would have it
14:07done by now.
14:09Favourite day.
14:10What would the operation
14:11mean to her?
14:12A lot.
14:13It would make her life
14:15and she'd come out
14:16who she is.
14:17Do you understand
14:18Andy's frustrations
14:20or anger or not?
14:24Basically.
14:24I do anyway, yeah.
14:25But I mean,
14:26I do love my kids.
14:27He loves his kids.
14:28And it doesn't make
14:29any difference
14:30if I'm a man or a woman.
14:32No, I'm going to touch
14:32my side.
14:33No, I'm going to
14:34tell you.
14:35I don't care
14:36if I'm a man or woman,
14:37I will still love my kids
14:38and I'll still love
14:39my grandchildren.
14:40Well, let's bring it
14:40on to that
14:40because this is a real
14:41contentious issue
14:42and again,
14:42something that
14:43some people will
14:45disagree with
14:45but we have always
14:46been as honest
14:47as we can on this show
14:48and you need to
14:49open your mouth.
14:50You've told my team
14:51categorically that
14:51you're not very happy
14:52with Jessie meeting
14:53your child,
14:54your grandchild.
14:55Why?
14:55Well, when I first
14:57had, well,
14:58when I found out
14:59I'm having my child,
15:02he was with
15:03his other partner
15:04at the time.
15:05They're married
15:06and I phoned up
15:07to let them know.
15:09They both come down
15:10and I was happy.
15:12He was dressed as a man.
15:13He wasn't a woman.
15:13I was happy.
15:15Listen, listen,
15:15I don't want to cut you
15:16off but there's something
15:17I want to say to you.
15:17Yeah.
15:18Are you saying to me
15:21that your father
15:22who has decided
15:23to live as a woman,
15:25pre-op transsexual,
15:26defining, I think,
15:27who she really is,
15:30you would find that
15:31difficult to have her
15:32around your child?
15:33Yes or no?
15:34It's just going to be
15:35very hard to explain
15:36that to my child
15:37where he's been my father
15:38all my life.
15:39Answer that, Jessie,
15:39because I think it's a very,
15:40very relevant point
15:41and an important question.
15:43I can actually see
15:44your point, Andrew,
15:44on that, yes.
15:46Exactly.
15:46You've got to remember,
15:47you've been my dad
15:48all my life.
15:48What's it going to be like
15:50for Penny when I call you
15:51dad in front of her
15:52and you're dressed like this?
15:54Or even having
15:54the whole thing?
15:55I know it's going to be
15:57hard on Penny
15:57when Penny gets older.
15:58It's not just Penny,
15:59dad.
16:02You do this,
16:02you're going to lose
16:03half your family.
16:05Well, I lost half of my family.
16:06None of my family
16:06don't speak to me.
16:07The only time they speak
16:08to me is when they want to.
16:09But then you think...
16:10Dad, can you take me
16:11to the shop?
16:12Dad, can you take me,
16:13get me a packet of facts
16:14at one o'clock
16:14in the bloody morning?
16:15But then think about...
16:16I barely see you
16:17because you're too busy
16:18to run around
16:19for some other family member
16:20of mine.
16:21Yeah, but think of...
16:21Say the name.
16:22I'm not allowed.
16:23No, I promise,
16:23I promise I will not
16:24say the name.
16:25if Jessie's had to make
16:27the sacrifice
16:28of losing loved ones
16:29for what she believes
16:30is something
16:31that she needs to be,
16:32that says an awful lot,
16:33doesn't it?
16:33I do.
16:34You strike me
16:35with respect...
16:36Sorry, this is really important.
16:37You strike me
16:38like a rather sulky kid
16:41who's sort of
16:41not getting his own way
16:43for want of a much
16:44better phrase.
16:44I understand,
16:45and I think it's important
16:46that you acknowledge
16:47it must be a massive shock
16:48and it might be,
16:50for a lot of people,
16:50an impossible thing
16:51to deal with.
16:52But,
16:53it's bigger than that,
16:54this.
16:55This is a man
16:56who has struggled
16:57to live his life
16:58and is choosing
16:58to be a woman
16:59because that's how
17:00he believes
17:01that he is.
17:01The main thing's
17:02why I don't want you
17:03as a woman, Dad.
17:04This is the honest truth.
17:06I want a dad
17:07that's actually
17:07going to be here
17:08with me
17:08for the rest of my life
17:09that actually hasn't
17:10been in there
17:11for the life I've had
17:12from two up to 24.
17:16I want you in my life, Dad.
17:18I want to see you
17:18more than what I am now.
17:20As a man
17:21or as a woman.
17:22And I was like, man.
17:22I want my dad.
17:23I don't want a f***ing mum.
17:27It's alright.
17:28Everybody can laugh.
17:29No, they're not laughing,
17:30actually.
17:30And I can tell you
17:31they're not
17:31because I actually,
17:32I'm going to say this right now.
17:33I'm going to say something.
17:34I'm going to interrupt you
17:35a minute, Jerry.
17:35Jeremy, right?
17:35You, Jeremy,
17:36don't ever call me Jerry.
17:39Don't ever say Jerry.
17:42Let me say something,
17:43Andrew.
17:44Why didn't you say that
17:46when I phoned you up
17:47and asked you,
17:48can I come out?
17:49When?
17:51You know when.
17:52Before Penny was even born.
17:54Even when I asked you to come.
17:56Wait a minute.
17:56I used to phone,
17:57no, hold on, hold on.
17:57I used to phone you up.
17:59And half the time
18:00I used to phone you up,
18:01I can never get a hold of you
18:01because you're scared
18:03because someone else
18:04is trying to get a hold of you.
18:05So you have,
18:05how many numbers, dad?
18:06Three?
18:07Each three of those numbers
18:08I used to ring.
18:09It used to take me half an hour.
18:10I used to ring me back.
18:11You used to have three.
18:12One for work,
18:14one for yourself,
18:15and then Joe's.
18:16So three.
18:17Correct?
18:18Alright, three phones.
18:19Okay, fair enough.
18:19And every time.
18:21And what number
18:21did I tell you to phone me off?
18:22Oh, for goodness sake,
18:23let's not get into numbers.
18:24Can I ask the question
18:25that's relevant?
18:25All I'm saying is,
18:26right, you,
18:28I rang you up
18:29Jeremy Carlson.
18:30I took my hand at that
18:31and said to you,
18:32I know it's Jeremy Carlson
18:33and it's quite good as well.
18:37You took my hand at that
18:39and said,
18:39yeah, it's all right, dad.
18:40You can come on, eh?
18:41I don't mind you
18:42dressed up as a woman.
18:43And I get out there
18:44and you say,
18:45yeah, it's all right, dad.
18:46You're fine.
18:47So why didn't you say anything
18:48then when me and Joe
18:49was out there?
18:51You didn't say a word.
18:52Can I ask a question?
18:54I rest my case.
18:56I took in then.
18:56Penny's board is changed.
18:58Yeah, I know.
18:58That's my case.
18:59My door comes first.
19:02She did.
19:03Hello, hello, hello.
19:04I told you on the phone
19:05my door comes first.
19:07Hello, hi.
19:07Right.
19:09On a serious note, right,
19:11obviously issues,
19:12the main issue here
19:14is Andy's,
19:15not inability,
19:16but difficulty
19:17with your lifestyle.
19:18I acknowledge
19:19that you are being
19:20who you truly are.
19:21You are also acknowledging
19:23that that must be difficult
19:24for certain people.
19:26Joe was able
19:26to accept it like that.
19:28Other people would find
19:29it very difficult,
19:29your son being one of those.
19:31Can I just ask you, Andy,
19:32this DNA,
19:33your mother said,
19:34I was never unfaithful
19:34to Shane during our relationship.
19:35I'm shocked the DNA test
19:36has even been considered.
19:37I'm 100% sure
19:39that Shane is Andrew's father.
19:40Why am I doing this?
19:41The reason why
19:42I want the DNA test
19:43is because I've got told
19:44my mum was dating
19:45someone before she met Shane.
19:46You don't have any doubts
19:47with this, do you?
19:47No, he doesn't.
19:49So just to get through this
19:51because this is about...
19:52I've got told
19:53by family members
19:54that my mum was
19:55with some other guy
19:56before she met Shane.
19:57For what I know,
19:57I don't know who my dad is.
19:58Do you want Jesse
19:59to be your father?
20:00I love him as a dad.
20:02That's who he is.
20:02He's been there for me.
20:03Even though sometimes
20:04he doesn't see me,
20:05he's been a dad.
20:07But I really want to know.
20:08And why do I not see you?
20:09The DNA test results show.
20:11Well, half the time
20:11you want to come up,
20:12you know that Penny
20:13is best kid too.
20:16We've got other family members
20:17to see dad.
20:18You've seen her.
20:19I would love to see you, Andrew.
20:21But the job it is.
20:22Can I do this?
20:23You lived over one side
20:24and I lived over the other side.
20:26But give me this.
20:26I've got a hard job.
20:28Can I do this?
20:29Let's find out what this is
20:30so we can get over to him.
20:31The DNA test results show
20:32that Jesse...
20:36You're not his biological father.
20:44Come on.
20:51Come on.
20:54Come here, dad.
20:57Like I said,
20:58no matter what this notice is,
20:59you're always being like dad, okay?
21:00No!
21:03No!
21:07No!
21:08No!
21:09No!
21:09No!
21:09No!
21:10No!
21:10No!
21:10No!
21:11No!
21:12No!
21:13No!
21:14I genuinely don't know what to say.
21:19I don't...
21:19I don't...
21:21I've been there...
21:22I didn't even...
21:24I do.
21:27I always have done.
21:29I've told you,
21:30no matter what circumstances,
21:31you're my dad.
21:32No matter what.
21:33Were you shocked by that?
21:34I am shocked, actually.
21:35I'm through with it.
21:36I'm actually totally through it.
21:38Excuse my numbers.
21:39I'm sorry, Jeremy.
21:40I really am...
21:41Chill.
21:41I'm sorry.
21:42I'm really sorry.
21:43It's all right.
21:43I'm tingling where it's quite shocking.
21:45I'm through with it.
21:46I am absolutely through with it.
21:49I love you to bits.
21:51Every bit of me,
21:52I love you.
21:53Just promise me something.
21:55You want to see Penny,
21:56I will let you see Penny.
21:58Listen to this.
21:59But just do...
22:00Promise me one thing.
22:01I really can't believe it.
22:02Listen to...
22:02Listen to...
22:03Shock!
22:04Promise me one thing.
22:05In front of everyone right now,
22:06promise me one thing.
22:08You see Penny.
22:09You want to see Penny.
22:10You could be in her life
22:11like you have it with me.
22:12You'd be in her life.
22:13If it means you've got a scrap for money
22:15to see your daughter at Grandor,
22:17you'd be there.
22:18Yeah.
22:20Can he be...
22:21Can...
22:21Can...
22:21Can Jesse...
22:22Can Jesse be in your daughter's life?
22:25You want to be in her life...
22:26The person that she wants to be?
22:27You want to be in her life as you are?
22:29You'd be in her life as you are.
22:30Are you listening to this?
22:31You're going to be the one
22:32to explain it to her
22:33why you are what you are.
22:37Joe, you want to be there?
22:38You be there.
22:39Do you want to know what's really...
22:41Can I say something?
22:41I can walk up in.
22:42I love it so much.
22:43Can somebody listen to me a minute?
22:45I'm sorry about what happened on the phone.
22:45So am I.
22:47Can you...
22:48Can you listen to me?
22:49If this...
22:50If this...
22:51If the one thing that that...
22:53By anybody's...
22:54Watch the audience...
22:56Shocking result does.
22:57Listen to me, all of you.
22:59You came here and you said to us...
23:02I worry that...
23:03The way I have to live my life will mean...
23:06That I won't be able to be involved in my children
23:09and my grandchildren's life.
23:10The irony of the fact that your mother's a liar,
23:13listen to me,
23:14is, don't react, look at me,
23:16is that this young man has just said,
23:18you were such a good dad,
23:20but I'll accept that,
23:21knowing that you're not biologically my father.
23:23That's an amazing result by anybody's standards.
23:26Joe, I brought him up.
23:27I know.
23:28I tried my best.
23:29Can I say something?
23:31Did you hear what you just said, though?
23:32You don't need to go around in circles.
23:34You've said that, right?
23:35Can I say something?
23:38Go on, let us say something.
23:39Your parents are who you brought up.
23:41It doesn't matter if they're birth parents or not.
23:43Listen, this show will teach you more than anything.
23:45You can make a kid to bring that kid up.
23:47Every who brought you up are your parents.
23:48I was adopted, so I know.
23:49You want Jessie in your life...
23:52Yep.
23:52...and your child's life.
23:54Yep.
23:54I'm going to ask the three of you,
23:55because Graham's waiting through there.
23:57You've a lot of talking to do.
23:59I don't think I've ever been more shocked by a result.
24:01I'm quite shocked myself.
24:03Say that.
24:03I've actually thought that you're my dad,
24:06too, I got told by fan members.
24:08Clean slate.
24:09Oi, look at me.
24:11Clean slate.
24:12Wiped clean.
24:13Start again with Graham.
24:14Thank you for coming on.
24:15Go that way.
24:15Give them a round of applause.
24:17Thank you very much.
24:25A bunch of stories in my time.
24:27Just think about that, right?
24:28Think about spending your entire life having to be something you're not.
24:32And then you find out that the child that you believe was yours,
24:35that you're fighting desperately to accept you for who you are,
24:39isn't your child.
24:40That's the reality of that situation.
24:42Coming up next on this stage,
24:43a woman who believes her best mate stole from her.
24:47We're right back.
24:48Beth was your best mate.
24:50She was my best friend.
24:51I left her in the house with my son.
24:54So when he come back, where's your phone?
24:56And he was like, it's upstairs.
24:58We went upstairs and it was gone.
25:01Beth has a history of stealing.
25:03Yeah.
25:03You're meant to be my best friend.
25:05Show your mouth.
25:06Show your mouth.
25:07Hey, see you, you're a idiot.
25:09My son.
25:10Oi.
25:12Will you be pretty much well with?
25:13She's standing in talking to me.
25:14You'll get your chance.
25:15She's talking to me.
25:17She's a thief.
25:18Oh, God.
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25:58Welcome back.
25:58We have my next guest today.
25:59Sandy is here to prove that her best mate Beth
26:02stole her son's smartphone from her house just two weeks ago.
26:05and her Sandy is 100% sure.
26:07We've had that already today that Beth took the phone
26:09and says, if her mate fails the test,
26:11she won't speak to her again.
26:13In fact, as far as she's concerned, that'll be it.
26:15I've said it before.
26:15I'll say it again.
26:16You nick from somebody you love,
26:18somebody you're related to,
26:19that's pretty low.
26:20Is this lady innocent?
26:21Sandy thinks not.
26:22She's on the show that way.
26:31Nice to see you.
26:33Nice to see you.
26:34I've been waiting since this morning,
26:35so it's been a long wait.
26:36Was it worth it?
26:37We'll see you.
26:38How are you?
26:39I'm fine, thank you.
26:40I always think for people like you
26:41that come out and do a theft lie detector
26:43on the car show,
26:44it's a difficult one, isn't it?
26:45Because, you know,
26:45unless you've got definitive proof,
26:47you're going to sit here,
26:48you're going to say to somebody close to you
26:50or somebody related to you,
26:51I think they're a thief.
26:52You're saying that on national television
26:53and a lot of people have proven wrong.
26:55Let's have the story.
26:57Casey's your sister.
26:58Yeah.
26:59Beth was, is or isn't your best mate?
27:01Well, she was my best friend, was.
27:03I was having my kitchen fitted.
27:05Yeah, I was getting a new kitchen fitted.
27:07Nice.
27:08And I left her in the house with my son
27:10and I come back, but my son had gone out.
27:13But my son's special, well, he's got special needs.
27:15And he had put his phone under his blanket.
27:18I didn't know this.
27:19I just assumed he had hidden it somewhere
27:21or he had it on him.
27:22And then when he come back,
27:24while he was out, I tried to WhatsApp him
27:26or phone him on his new phone,
27:28but it wasn't going through.
27:30So when he come back, I said,
27:31where's your phone?
27:32And he was like, it's upstairs.
27:33So we ran upstairs and it was gone.
27:35I know it was her.
27:36She's done things like this to other people.
27:38Beth has a history of stealing.
27:40Yep.
27:40What?
27:43Beth, I hanged around with people.
27:48You're meant to be my best friend.
27:50Shut your mouth.
27:51Shut your mouth.
27:52Shut your mouth and talk to Jeremy, you dumb.
27:54You're meant to be my best friend.
27:56What did she just say?
27:57I'm serious.
27:58What did she just say?
27:59I'm 100% sure you've done.
28:00We'll be going to see, won't we?
28:02Well, we will, won't we, you stupid, you're...
28:05Casey, you dumb idiot.
28:06Beth, that was just my son.
28:09Excuse me, ladies.
28:10Who's in there?
28:11My sister.
28:12Tell her to shut up, Will.
28:13You tell her to shut up.
28:15I'm...
28:15What?
28:15Go on.
28:16What?
28:16Go on.
28:18Beth, shut your mouth, you name...
28:19No, you...
28:20Everybody shut up.
28:22Yeah, everybody shut up.
28:23And see, they're trying to come and slam me down.
28:25I'll throw me some...
28:26Down for you.
28:28You're...
28:28Down.
28:30Hello.
28:31Sorry.
28:32Lose the...
28:33Gone.
28:34Shut up.
28:35What if she hasn't done it, though?
28:36Yeah, I know she has.
28:38But...
28:39The phone was straight off.
28:41All disabled, and I know she knows how to do that.
28:44I know she knows people...
28:45Well, she's son's birthday present.
28:46I'm 100% sure she's a liar.
28:47I'm going to prove her out.
28:49Best on the Jeremy Carl Show, that way.
28:57Best friend, man.
28:59Best friend, man.
29:00Stop acting up for ITV, you moron.
29:02Who's acting up for the...
29:03You're the one who wants to be here.
29:05You're the one who's standing there.
29:05And they're telling me your dad says, giving it about me.
29:08Giving it about me.
29:08For what?
29:09For what?
29:10What have I done to you?
29:12Anyway...
29:12Go on.
29:13Go on, you can start as well.
29:15Carry on.
29:17What do you mean I'm going to start?
29:19What are you talking about?
29:19You're going to start.
29:20I know you are.
29:20I watch you every day.
29:21You're going to start.
29:22Just hurry up.
29:23I'm waiting for it.
29:24You're looking at my legs and wondering why I'm doing this.
29:27Well, why are you doing that?
29:28Because I'm nervous.
29:29This got me on TV.
29:31And that's what we're here for, though.
29:32What?
29:33Entertainment.
29:35You don't want to be it?
29:36No, I don't.
29:37I didn't.
29:37For crying out loud, Graham, do you do any work on this show anymore?
29:41No, it's me.
29:42Will you be calling me?
29:43She's sitting there talking to me.
29:44You'll get your chance.
29:46She's talking rubbish.
29:47She's at sea.
29:48Oh, God.
29:50Four women.
29:51God, be quiet.
29:54You've never seen me this fuming before, you know, never.
29:57And you'll never see me this fuming.
29:59Don't shut your mouth and let me speak to her.
30:01I don't care.
30:02Be quiet.
30:02No.
30:02Yes.
30:03No.
30:04No.
30:04Yes.
30:04Yes.
30:04Yes.
30:05Yes.
30:06Yes.
30:07Yes.
30:07Shut up.
30:08Run.
30:09She'll still say the last word.
30:12Hi.
30:12You all right?
30:14What happened?
30:15Did you nick the phone?
30:16No, no, no.
30:16But I was literally the only person there.
30:18It was a smartphone?
30:19Whatever.
30:19I thought it was iPhone 6.
30:21Same thing, innit?
30:21It was an iPhone 6.
30:23It was the same thing?
30:23Well, I didn't know that I'm not very good at telephones, all right?
30:25No, neither am I.
30:26Well, what?
30:27Well, she thinks you nicked it.
30:29You used to be mate.
30:29She thinks everyone nicks everything.
30:31Ask my sister.
30:32She nicks everything off you and all.
30:33Come on, Jeremy, can't we f*** you?
30:35I'm trying to convince you.
30:36I've been waiting.
30:37Do you know what?
30:37Yeah, you probably watch it all the time.
30:39This is why you thought, hey, we didn't want to have to do this, you know?
30:42I didn't want to have to come here either.
30:43Because you want to be a f***ing fellow.
30:46No, Jeremy.
30:47Well, don't be horrible, then.
30:49I'm not.
30:49I'm trying to stick up for myself, innit?
30:51Did you steal the smartphone?
30:52I never stole the smartphone.
30:53What's it like for your mate, okay, to accuse you?
30:58What's that like?
30:58Do you know what?
30:59I thought I'd at least get the benefit of the doubt.
31:01But you stole them before.
31:02I've stolen my whole life to survive.
31:05You helped me make most of my money.
31:07How did that?
31:07By introducing me to one person.
31:10Listen, you know.
31:11We can't name names.
31:12I thought you already knew him.
31:13You can't name names.
31:14Yeah, go on.
31:16You've been bad about him.
31:17No, I didn't.
31:18Say what?
31:20In the past, you've turned your life around.
31:22I've stolen from shops.
31:23But have you turned your life around?
31:25Which you quite happily helped me spend most of my money.
31:27You stole from her as well?
31:28Oh, yeah.
31:28When did I stop on Casey?
31:29Why didn't you go to work?
31:30I've been to...
31:31I've had jobs.
31:32Well, why would you steal from a shop then?
31:33Did you say something to have a...
31:34I've stolen little things off you before.
31:37When did I say that?
31:37You didn't say that over the phone.
31:38Well, when you was...
31:39Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
31:41He's tenner and things like that, you moron.
31:43There you go.
31:44Little things.
31:44Little things.
31:45Little things.
31:45So I stole someone's tenner that you...
31:48Who's Casey?
31:49Little things off her.
31:50Who's Casey?
31:51Little things.
31:54Who's Casey?
31:55My sister.
31:56Casey's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
32:03I'm laughing.
32:05I'm laughing.
32:06I'm laughing, you know.
32:07Oh, my days.
32:08The joke's on my face.
32:09I can't be bothered.
32:11You're a comeback inconclusive, you know.
32:12It's better comeback.
32:13We're going to solve.
32:14Case, what's the story, please?
32:17Well, Beth's a thief.
32:19She is a blatant thief.
32:20Obviously.
32:20She takes all the time from everyone.
32:23Wives if she has stolen this.
32:24Can you shut up?
32:26You know, three years.
32:27It's been around me for three years.
32:28All right.
32:29Isn't it true if you're telling your sister for a good number of years to not hang around with...
32:33Don't hang around with her.
32:33For years.
32:34Years.
32:36Years.
32:36Years.
32:37Years.
32:38Years.
32:39Years.
32:39Years.
32:40Years.
32:44Years.
32:45on the Jeremy Kyle show
33:16that are you because if you do that you'll get into trouble look at me
33:19we will see that
33:20no no no
33:21shut your sister up
33:22let's get him his arm
33:23can I hear from
33:26seriously listen honestly God
33:29let's get him his arm
33:30this is scum
33:31you're not telling me how to do this
33:32she's scum
33:33is it alright for her to speak
33:34scum stealing from
33:35oh no
33:36you're scum
33:37you're scum
33:38I'm actually going to leave in a minute and go into a dark room
33:40you're scum
33:41you're scum
33:44you're scum
33:44do you know I'm not going to give anybody any results because nobody's listening to me
33:47you can just sit here
33:48no seriously I'm not doing anything
33:49sorry Jeremy
33:49I want to speak to her so shut up
33:52do you believe that your sister would steal that phone because let's be honest if she did that would be
33:58the
33:58it would be because this woman has done everything for us
34:01and what would you feel like if she'd done that
34:02do you know what I mean over the years she's given us somewhere to run away
34:04what would you feel like if she'd done that
34:06what would I feel like yeah I would feel disappointed in my sister
34:08yeah of course
34:09did you steal the phone
34:11just think about what I meant
34:11look at me
34:12I never stole that phone
34:13why do you have to swear
34:14because everyone else does
34:16yes don't say I don't worry
34:17do you think she stole the phone
34:18no I don't
34:18do you think she stole the phone
34:19yes I do
34:20well we know what you think
34:21what are you doing now
34:22stop making threats
34:24it doesn't do you any favours
34:26who's shaking
34:26I'm doing a fucking show
34:28idiot
34:29don't try to have a ruff
34:30don't let me have it
34:31don't let me have it
34:32don't let me have it
34:32don't let me have it
34:33don't let me have it
34:33I'm not trying to have a ruff
34:34because I have not no muck
34:35I ain't no muck
34:38I'm not saying the question
34:39she said no
34:40why did you say no
34:41I'm saying the truth
34:41Tess says you're a liar
34:52Do me a favour, do me a favour, do me a favour, tell her to check under her son's matches,
34:58just tell her, check under your son's matches, all right?
35:01How would you know it was under her son's match? Do one.
35:12Oi, oi, oi, oi, get it, come here, ladies, ladies, she just attacked somebody, you come here right now, both
35:18of you, and you listen to me.
35:20She just attacked one of my cameramen, now sit down there.
35:22So she's a liar, I'm going to show through this.
35:24I am not, I never get angry, sit down.
35:26That sounds strange.
35:28Sit down.
35:29I know she's done it.
35:30Right, do you want to know something, I'm going to ask you something right now with nobody else, look at
35:33me.
35:33Hey, start acting like a mother and an auntie and be quiet, look at me.
35:37That's my son, I know.
35:38Are you listening to me, you were proven right, but if you make threats and you act like this, look
35:42at me, look at me.
35:43She's attacked one of my cameramen, you are in the right, she is in the wrong.
35:46She just said to me something that you need to know.
35:48Stop making threats, because you know your son, you'll be the ones that get into trouble.
35:53She said, tell her to check under his mattress, and I went, how would you know?
35:56She said, your lie detector's rubbish and attacked the cameraman.
35:59Listen to me, you know, as well as I do, however angry you are, you make threats, right?
36:05What will happen?
36:06You'll get into trouble, and then your son misses out.
36:08She's shown herself to be.
36:10Can I ask some water?
36:11I knew she's done it, you know.
36:12I knew, and I said that she's going to act like that.
36:14Stop shouting.
36:14I said she would act like that.
36:15Are you going to listen to me?
36:16Just because she's guilty.
36:17Are you going to listen to me?
36:18Can I have to laugh?
36:19I'm taking the police station.
36:20You've torn it up.
36:21I'm going to look.
36:22She's probably not.
36:23Watch this, innit.
36:23She's getting arrested for this.
36:25We'll send you something.
36:25It's absolutely all right.
36:27Faith.
36:27I've already been police station.
36:28Faith.
36:29You've got to calm down.
36:30I've been police station.
36:31You can't get away.
36:33Do you not listen to me?
36:34You're not listening to me.
36:36I know.
36:36What do you want to do?
36:37You want to get into trouble.
36:38If she's stolen it, if you rise to that, and if you react to that, you'll get into trouble.
36:43I'm doing what somebody did earlier now.
36:45I'm telling you.
36:46Disgusting.
36:46Vile.
36:47A history.
36:48And you feel an idiot because you trusted her.
36:50But what do you want to do?
36:51You want to go and make threats?
36:52She'll end up in prison.
36:53She'll be walking the streets.
36:54That's not good enough.
36:55Can you bring some water now?
36:58Faith.
36:59A flipping face.
37:00Well, I can believe it.
37:01I said that, but I thought she was going to make that test inconclusive by shaking or
37:05taking drugs or something.
37:06I'm shocked that she allowed this to happen.
37:09What do you think?
37:10She's going to beat the light detector.
37:13She's going to pass it, and I'm going to look like a muck.
37:15She's going to laugh in my face.
37:17Look who it is.
37:18All I want from you two is the following, because we've done this to get you the truth.
37:22Don't you think that's out of order?
37:23I think it's disgusting, but I want you to calm down, because if you keep shouting and
37:27screaming, you will be the ones that get into trouble.
37:29Do you understand?
37:30Do you agree?
37:30I know.
37:31Yeah.
37:31Yeah.
37:31I'm calm.
37:32Thanks.
37:34She's a thief.
37:35Listen.
37:35Listen.
37:35Stop making threats and calm down, because she is not worth it.
37:39Okay?
37:39She's definitely worth it.
37:40I told you years ago.
37:42I don't have anybody to put with you, because you're driving me nuts.
37:45See, that's scum.
37:47Proper scum.
37:48South London girl's the best.
37:49Will you do me a favor, or?
37:51Shush.
37:51Okay?
37:52For me.
37:52Yeah.
37:53Please?
37:54I'm trying.
37:55I'm trying to calm down.
37:55I'm trying.
37:57I'm human.
37:57All of this is good, because this is what we needed.
38:00Because for weeks, she's been denying it.
38:01Weeks.
38:02Everyone will know what's scum she's scum.
38:04Do you know what somebody said to me?
38:05Somebody said to me one day, right?
38:07When you write, you have to be dignified.
38:10Because if you shout and you scream, and you do all of that.
38:12Sometimes revenge feels good.
38:14I said that to you.
38:14I mean, it can't be.
38:15The revenge is knowing the truth, not making trouble.
38:18I'm not saying that.
38:19I'm going to get arrested.
38:20That's what I meant.
38:20Then you do that in the proper way, and we will provide that information.
38:24All right?
38:24Help me.
38:25Stay here and she'll ride.
38:25She's been in police station already.
38:26She's gone police station.
38:27But we need to.
38:29I've already been police station for this.
38:30We've got a crime.
38:32Graham.
38:32Right.
38:33Have you ever dealt with two gobby sisters from the south of London?
38:35Probably.
38:36I can't believe it, you know?
38:37We'll give you the information, but I want you to promise me,
38:40now on camera.
38:41You'll do it in the right way.
38:42Yeah, I'll come next.
38:42Right, there with Greg.
38:43Good luck to them after the break.
38:45Up next, a woman.
38:46She's terrified of boyfriend's behaviour.
38:48He's slowly killing him right back.
38:51I've never heard of a man to have, believe me.
39:01Clearly, in Andrew's physical exam today,
39:03you can see the pain and discomfort he is in
39:05when we're examining his stomach.
39:07Andrew needs to stop if he wants to save his body.
39:11I'm just really worried it's not already too late.
39:15I'm just going to kill him so pretty.
39:19Just pretty.
39:30Smash show, go out of your backside now.
39:33You can't tell me to do something.
39:35You're just Jeremy Kyle, aren't you?
39:37Crane.
39:39What?
39:40Get your head out of your backside.
39:41Don't you think it's up?
39:42What's the consenting here?
39:51I'm not sure how much of a compliment that is.
39:56I'm not playing for a child
39:58that I don't know
39:59where it's wrong.
40:00Stop making friends.
40:04Who are you?
40:05Who are you?
40:06I'm not sure you're dead.
40:08Where are you going?
40:09That's my problem there.
40:14I need some aftercare.
40:15Do it for yourself, for God's sake.
40:19I'm going to a break.
40:20I'm going to a break.
40:21Bye.
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41:01Thank you very much indeed.
41:02Welcome back.
41:03My next guest today,
41:04Sam is here as she is terrified
41:05her bulimic boyfriend Andrew
41:07will die before she gives birth
41:09to their baby son.
41:10Now, Sam says Andrew's condition
41:11is out of control.
41:12It's tearing the relationship apart.
41:14And she says today
41:15is his last chance to get help
41:16before it's too late.
41:17Spare that in mind.
41:18We've talked about many people
41:19with eating disorders.
41:20This is a man with bulimia.
41:22First on the show,
41:23his girlfriend Sam.
41:24Give her a round of applause.
41:25That way.
41:33I was trying to work out
41:35in my head this morning
41:36how to approach this.
41:37You've been with Andrew for a year.
41:38Yeah.
41:39You're pregnant, I know,
41:40which is massively important.
41:41And this is something that you're right.
41:43Yeah.
41:43You want to get sorted.
41:44Bless you.
41:47I'm not trying to shock anybody.
41:49We will talk to women
41:51with eating disorders.
41:53People don't think differently,
41:54but a man is.
41:55I mean, I don't know.
41:56It's different
41:57because I've never heard
41:58of a man to have bulimic.
42:00This guy makes himself sick.
42:02Tell them how many times a day.
42:04It can vary.
42:05However many times you want.
42:0625 to 30 times a day.
42:08Yeah.
42:08I mean, he was in the army.
42:11Let's just have a look at these photos.
42:12He was a big, big guy, wasn't he?
42:14I mean, he was...
42:15Mm-hmm.
42:15Yeah.
42:15Now, I'm going to...
42:17I'm just going to be totally
42:19straight with you on this
42:20because I'm not a medical expert,
42:22but a lot of people
42:24who have bulimia
42:25do it because
42:27it's about body dysmorphia.
42:29It's about something that they're...
42:31They see something
42:33that somebody doesn't.
42:34Fat.
42:34They have something from the past
42:36that they're suppressing.
42:38He's not a typical bulimic,
42:40though, is he?
42:40No.
42:41He wants to be fat.
42:42He wants meat on him.
42:44He doesn't want to throw up.
42:45He doesn't want to stick his fingers
42:47down his throat every day
42:48and do it.
42:49I admire him for being here
42:51and I don't want to make it sound like,
42:53oh, because he's a man,
42:54he's got bulimia,
42:55he's brave,
42:55because anybody with an eating disorder,
42:57but it is different
42:57to talk to a man with bulimia,
42:59isn't it?
43:00Let's get Andrew
43:01and the Jeremy Carr show.
43:01Give him a round of applause.
43:20What does it feel like
43:21when you look at that picture, buddy?
43:24I feel sick.
43:26I want to be sick now.
43:28Why?
43:29I know.
43:31I know it started
43:32when you went out on the night
43:33and you got heavily drunk
43:34and like most people
43:35who get heavily drunk,
43:36you threw up the following day.
43:37That made you feel better
43:37and somewhere in your psyche
43:38you thought,
43:39I guess you thought,
43:41when I get to a point
43:42where I'm not feeling good
43:43and I can do this,
43:45it is a coping mechanism.
43:47Yeah.
43:47But it's destroying your health.
43:49It's destroying my life,
43:50not just my health.
43:53It's destroying everything.
43:54I don't go out,
43:55I don't see my friends,
43:58I don't do anything
43:59because I just don't think
44:00they'll approve no more,
44:01you know?
44:02I used to be so big and healthy
44:04and now I just feel like
44:07I don't even recognise who I am anymore.
44:10We sent you to Aaron,
44:12our resident JK doctor.
44:14Just take a look at this feed here.
44:15This is Aaron Goche,
44:16ladies and gentlemen.
44:18So I've just seen Andrew
44:19in the clinic today.
44:20Andrew's 30 years old
44:22and on the surface
44:23used to be very, very fit.
44:24But there's clearly
44:25deep psychological issues
44:27underlying with Andrew.
44:28Andrew suffers with bulimia
44:30and it's a very dangerous condition.
44:32The reason why bulimics vomit
44:34is because they get a sense of purging.
44:36They get rid of a poison.
44:38Many of us would have vomited
44:39when we feel unwell
44:40just to get rid of
44:41what was causing us
44:42to feel very, very sick.
44:44But Andrew's using this
44:46as a way of feeling normal
44:47and he's abusing that sense
44:48and it's going on and on
44:50to the point where
44:51he's actually depleting his body
44:52of essential nutrients.
44:55Why is that so dangerous?
44:57Because it can cause heart problems.
44:58It can cause malnutrition,
45:00conditions like osteoporosis,
45:02anemia.
45:02It can damage the esophagus,
45:04the tube from the mouth
45:05to the stomach.
45:06And clearly in Andrew's
45:07physical exam today,
45:08you can see the pain
45:09and discomfort he is in
45:10when we're examining his stomach.
45:13Andrew's eroded the lining
45:14of his mouth
45:15and his actual teeth.
45:17You can see them rotting away.
45:19They are more potent
45:21in acid,
45:21in your vomit acid,
45:23than it is
45:23in the most concentrated
45:24fizzy drinks.
45:26And when he's doing that
45:2720 to 30 times a day,
45:28he is literally going to have
45:30no teeth left.
45:31Again,
45:32why is that so worrying?
45:33Because he's opening himself up
45:34to huge heart
45:35and lung problems.
45:37This acid can fall back
45:38into the lungs
45:39and cause erosion on them.
45:42Added with this,
45:43Andrew's using cannabis
45:44and he's using it
45:45as a way of a coping mechanism.
45:47There is,
45:47without a doubt now,
45:49strong medical evidence
45:50to know that
45:51the long-term use of cannabis
45:52is going to make
45:53this condition worse.
45:55The long and short of it is,
45:57Andrew needs to stop
45:58if he wants to save his body.
46:00I'm just really worried
46:01it's not already too late.
46:06Sam?
46:12He's going to get himself ready.
46:19Listen,
46:21I'm not going to throw out
46:23medical jargon
46:25that I don't understand.
46:26I know enough
46:27after 10 years
46:28to know that
46:29people who have
46:30eating disorders
46:31do it for a reason,
46:32some of them.
46:33I don't know
46:34whether this purging
46:35has become
46:35an addiction in itself.
46:37It's become,
46:38as I said at the beginning
46:39of this part,
46:39almost like a habit.
46:41Maybe a coping mechanism,
46:42I don't know.
46:44There's no doubt,
46:45though,
46:45that the important message
46:47is Aaron's.
46:48What you're doing
46:49to your teeth,
46:51your body in general,
46:52the pain that we saw you in
46:53when you were having that VT.
46:56What do you want to say, Tim?
46:57I just went to the bell.
46:59I can't hear you.
47:00I just want him
47:01to get power.
47:02I understand your cynicism.
47:04I don't promise miracles,
47:06but I promise you
47:06Graham and the team,
47:07and I promise you this.
47:09I know somewhere down the line
47:10in a matter of months
47:11because I'm looking at him
47:11right now.
47:12He'll tell me about you,
47:13and he'll say you're doing
47:14good work,
47:15and you're getting there.
47:15It won't be easy.
47:16He's not a miracle worker,
47:18but he certainly cuts
47:18to the chase, all right?
47:19We want to do our best
47:20for you and your family.
47:22Graham's waiting
47:23at the side.
47:24See what you can do,
47:25all right?
47:26All right.
47:26Give him a round of applause.
47:31Good luck to him now.
47:33Before I finish today,
47:34just a quick update for you.
47:36Remember the second story?
47:37The two sisters
47:38from South London
47:39who were very angry,
47:39quite rightly,
47:40that the son's phone
47:42had been stolen by Beth.
47:44Beth, very angry.
47:45Attacked the cameraman,
47:46failed the lie detector.
47:47Ladies and gentlemen,
47:48Beth has just admitted
47:49that she did take the phone
47:51and hid it under the mattress.
47:53She hid it under the mattress
47:54in her words
47:55so she could go back later
47:57and steal it.
47:59She says it's still there.
48:02Hopefully,
48:02Sandy will get the phone back.
48:05She has accepted
48:06that she lied.
48:07Everybody has calmed down.
48:09I'm out of time.
48:10If you want to be here,
48:11you need our help,
48:12you can visit my website.
48:13The details are on my screen.
48:15For the guests,
48:16for the audience,
48:16and you at home,
48:17thank you so much for watching.
48:18We'll see you very soon.
48:19Take care.
48:19Bye-bye.
48:19Bye-bye.
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