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00:00On today's show, let's talk about the money, money that you've saved, which has been stolen,
00:06which we're going to put towards Christmas presents.
00:09The suspects are ex-partner Vaughan and best friends Pip and Gemma.
00:13One of these three, your friends, your ex, one of these three has failed the lie detector.
00:19Did you steal the money in question that went missing from Annie's living room?
00:23You said no, why'd you say no?
00:28The guest has walked off the stage.
00:30The rest of them absolutely passed it.
00:33I can't remember what they mean.
00:36She calls me a bad dad.
00:38She tells my kids I don't care about them.
00:40I haven't seen them in four months.
00:42Yes.
00:43Shut up, you!
00:44Get back onto your nickel page!
00:46I've been there for my grandkids.
00:48I've been there.
00:49You don't say...
00:50Hang on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:58Do you know what? There's only one way I know how to do this show.
01:05Stop feeling sorry for yourself, get off your back, son, and if you want to fight for your kids, get
01:08out there.
01:29Hi, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:31Now our first guest today, Annie, is here because she is going through what can only be described as a
01:36Christmas nightmare.
01:37Just two weeks ago, Annie was left heartbroken to discover nearly £600 of her Christmas savings had been stolen from
01:43her home.
01:44Confused and in shock, she says she's been left with no choice but to contact the show to find out
01:48who, from those closest to her, have committed the ultimate betrayal.
01:52Here today, all under suspicion of taking the money, are taking lie detectors, including ex-partner Vaughan and best friends
01:59Pip and Gemma.
02:00Annie says, I don't even want to be here. It's the worst thought ever.
02:03Annie is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
02:14You don't want to be here, why not? It's Christmas.
02:16I'm just nervous.
02:17Oh, you're nice to meet you, darling. I'm sorry. And actually, as I said in the introduction, this is potentially
02:21the biggest betrayal.
02:23Let's talk about the money.
02:25Money that you'd saved, which has been stolen, which we're going to put towards Christmas presents.
02:29Tell me what happened. How much? What happened?
02:31I did, I think, how much?
02:33So you'd saved, you don't know, maybe £500, £600. The jar was hidden. Where was it hidden?
02:37It was hidden on a, I've got like a stack of shelf, and it was on the third shelf, on
02:43the back wall, and my sofa were in front of it.
02:45When did you discover the money had gone?
02:47Friday evening.
02:48What does that mean? You see, it's very easy for us. You come out here, and people come out, and
02:52they do the lie detector.
02:53To you as a mum, saving that money, what did that money mean?
02:59Everything. Meant a lot.
03:01This lady said to take out a loan, because that money's gone missing, to actually buy her kids Christmas presents.
03:06That would be true, right?
03:07Yeah.
03:08The suspects are varied. Vaughan had been in an on-off relationship with you for 13 years. The father of
03:17your three kids.
03:18Why would you suspect that a man would stoop so low as to steal off his own kids?
03:25There's got to be someone, aren't there?
03:27It's got to be someone. It's got to be one of them.
03:30Two months ago, you and Vaughan split. He kicked him out. He's homeless. You think he has the motive. Do
03:34you think he'd do that to his own kids?
03:36No.
03:38Horrible to make the accusation.
03:40Let's talk about the friends, Pip and Gemma. Pip has been friends with you since you were 10. Went to
03:44school with Vaughan. Why would you suspect Pip?
03:49Like I said, it's got to be one of them.
03:51How long have you known Gemma?
03:53I've known Gemma a while, but I've got close with her over the last couple of months.
03:59So the three suspects are Vaughan, Pip dribbled on my shirt then, pretty embarrassing, and Gemma. Let's start with Vaughan.
04:06He says, I would never stoop so low. I will pass that lie detector a million percent. I would not
04:11do that for my kids.
04:13Do you honestly think he would stoop this low?
04:15Well, someone stooped that low.
04:17Vaughan's on the Jeremy Kyle Show. Suspect number one that way.
04:28Maybe it's back on.
04:30Maybe Christmas won't be still lonely.
04:32No.
04:32How are you, Vaughan?
04:33All right.
04:33Welcome to the show. I will pass this lie detector I would never steal from my children and my ex
04:38-partner.
04:38Are you still in love with this lady?
04:39Yeah, man.
04:40Yeah?
04:42So whoever did this, in your opinion, is?
04:46The lowest of the law.
04:48You were in the house at the time, and I'm just putting stuff to you that would be relevant.
04:53Since you split with Annie, you've been homeless, you would have reason enough to do this.
04:56Yeah.
04:56Defend yourself.
04:58Basically, I got branded homeless, got branded a thief, because I was homeless.
05:02It's stereotyping me against homeless people and thieves, you know.
05:04Ever stolen before?
05:06When I was young. Teenage years. Sweets, stuff like that, you know.
05:08Yeah. What's your view today? I'll pass the test. I want it back.
05:11Do you still love him?
05:13Yeah.
05:15Maybe. Maybe it's none of them, and Christmas, you could get back together, and I won't be able to sing,
05:20It'll be lonely.
05:21What?
05:22Maybe it was Santa.
05:24Right. Suspect number two pick you've noticed since you were 10.
05:2720 years. Your best mate.
05:28Let's get Pip on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
05:34CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
05:39How are you?
05:40I'm fine, thanks.
05:41I would never steal from Annie. What's it like to be accused?
05:44Awful.
05:45I wouldn't...
05:47I wouldn't steal off kids anyway, do you know?
05:50She's your best mate, has been for 20 years.
05:52What's this done to her, in your mind?
05:54It's just an emotional wreck now, do you know?
05:56It's one of the worst things that could happen, really.
05:59Pip, you think Vaughn did it?
06:01Come on!
06:02There's a thought, though, it might have done to wine people.
06:05I was going in it.
06:06But he's in love with her?
06:08Yeah.
06:08Do you think it might be Gemma? She's only known her for six months.
06:11Let's get Gemma on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
06:15APPLAUSE
06:21Gemma, welcome to the Jeremy Kyle Show.
06:23You have a comment. You say that Annie and Vaughn's relationship was unhealthy.
06:27He used to accuse her of cheating on him.
06:29I wouldn't put it past him.
06:31Yeah.
06:32Annie, I've just heard in my ear, and this is the truth, my darling.
06:35One of these three, your friends, your ex, one of these three has failed the lie detector.
06:40Back next.
06:40One of them failed the lie detector.
06:43How do you feel about that?
06:44What was I?
06:45Gemma, did you steal the money from Annie's living room?
06:54Have you got a jealous partner?
06:56Are you the one that cannot control your jealousy?
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07:29Welcome back before the break.
07:31Annie, I had to tell you the news that one of the three people sat on this stage, either your
07:34ex you've been on and off with for 13 years, the father of your three kids, your mate from the
07:38age of 10, 21 years, your best friend or somebody, Gemma, you've known for six months.
07:42One of them failed the lie detector.
07:45How do you feel about that?
07:46What is that?
07:48Oh!
07:50Oh, God.
07:50Just refresh everybody's memory.
07:52This lady had saved five to six hundred pounds.
07:55It was stolen last Friday.
07:57Money that was meant to buy her children Christmas presents.
08:00It was hidden.
08:01It was saving.
08:02She's had to take out a loan to buy her kids those presents.
08:06You're like me.
08:07Talk at me.
08:09Don't point the finger at me.
08:10What do you mean am I pointing the finger at you?
08:12I'm looking at you, I'm looking at her, I'm looking at them.
08:13One of you three's a liar.
08:14No, I stared at me like you've done it.
08:16Sorry?
08:16I stared at me like you've done it.
08:19You've got a guilty conscience, pal.
08:21That's your business.
08:21Who are we going to start with?
08:22I am too.
08:22Who do you want to do first?
08:24You can pick.
08:24She'll shout.
08:25Who do you want to do first?
08:26Do you want to do Gemma?
08:26Full health straight away, by the way.
08:28Go on.
08:28Do you want to do it, yeah?
08:29Start with Vaughn.
08:30He says he's going to pass.
08:31You say you're still in love with her.
08:33You say we're sorted.
08:34We asked Vaughn, did you steal the money in question that went missing from Annie's living room?
08:39You said no.
08:39Why did you say no, Vaughn?
08:40I was telling you.
08:41Tess says you're a liar, pal.
08:45What did you just say to me?
08:47I swear on my children's life.
08:49I swear on your children's life, mate, because I'm going to verify this, shall I?
08:52Let's do Gemma, who's followed your missus.
08:56I'll verify this.
08:56Let's do her.
08:57You'll verify it.
08:58What?
08:58Gemma, did you steal the money from Annie's living room?
09:00No.
09:01She was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
09:05And, and, Gemma, do you know for sure who stole the money from Annie's living room?
09:11Gemma said no.
09:12She was telling the truth.
09:13She passed both questions.
09:14Shall we do hers?
09:15Shall we do hers?
09:16Why don't you fail them?
09:17Because I got smashed out of my brain tonight before and I never talked.
09:19Sorry, what'd you say?
09:20Because I got hammered on drugs tonight before and I never talked.
09:21Oh, you got hammered on drugs.
09:23Look at the smug little liar now.
09:25You sussed it out, yeah?
09:26No.
09:26Is that your excuse, you little liar?
09:27No, I tried denying it.
09:28You nicked it from your own kids.
09:30I tried, I tried.
09:30She passed the lie detector as well.
09:32It's made for her now.
09:34What?
09:35No, you are.
09:37You're about the mother of your children.
09:39No.
09:40What?
09:42Why did they pass?
09:42Look at me.
09:43Liar.
09:43No lie.
09:44I didn't have to pass.
09:45What?
09:53Sorry, I'm just a man who does this, excuse me.
09:56The rest of them absolutely passed it.
10:00Gemma and Pip.
10:01I know it's awful.
10:02He's now effing and jeffing and telling me the test's wrong and it's all my fault.
10:06On my children's life, from me to you, honestly, I swear to God I did not steal the money.
10:10I've got £4,000 a week ago.
10:13Why would I need to steal all that money?
10:14But you're homeless.
10:15Why would you have £4,000?
10:16Why would I steal my own holiday money?
10:18Why would you have £4,000 if you're homeless?
10:20That's for me to know, but...
10:22But if you're homeless, right?
10:23Back pay, sick.
10:24Back pay, sick?
10:25D-W-P, get me phone.
10:26So if you get a DWP and you get £4,000 back sick, why are you homeless?
10:30You know how that went, Annie.
10:32You've got to talk, Annie.
10:33I want it, Steve, you've done it.
10:35I know it does, but I will come back on here and I will stay sober.
10:38I want to take off here and I want to smoke with you all night and every night.
10:40No, I'm going to drop you right in it.
10:42You did the test before you went out last night, didn't you?
10:44Before I went out?
10:45You did the test in the evening before you were out all night, didn't you?
10:47I went about the night before I come here.
10:49Oh, right.
10:50And they didn't tell you, of course, they didn't tell you that doing drugs.
10:53Yeah, that's why I tried to hold it back.
10:55Why would you do that?
10:56That's why I tried to hold it back.
10:56Because people are now watching it and say you were trying to hide something, Paul.
10:58It's not my fault, you've got her.
11:00But you knew we were coming here for him.
11:02Why do we fall?
11:03I failed because of my own...
11:04My own drugs is done as income...
11:07Basically, that's why I failed, because I got off drugs.
11:09That's it.
11:09That's why I failed.
11:11Can I just say something to you, mate?
11:12If you were off your WhatSits on drugs, it would have said inconclusive...
11:16Just hear me out.
11:17You cannot get a reading because...
11:19So make your mind up to make you fail or inconclusive?
11:21Are you trying to get smart?
11:23Yeah.
11:23Because you won't win.
11:24What are you?
11:25Inconclusive.
11:26You lied.
11:27You stole the money.
11:28No.
11:28Not my problem.
11:29I'm lying about the lie detector, yeah?
11:31About...
11:31Whatever.
11:31Listen, you do what you want, Annie.
11:33Listen.
11:33I know that if you're on drugs, it says inconclusive, okay?
11:36There's the truth, okay?
11:38So make your mind up.
11:39Fail or inconclusive?
11:40Make your mind up to turn up and prove you're not a tea leaf by not being off your face
11:43because you love
11:44your kids and your missus.
11:45What are you talking about?
11:46Talking about hypocriticalism.
11:50What's Facebook going to do with you being a druggie who's just stolen money off your own kids?
11:56What happens, Annie?
11:58It's in us deep down.
11:59In her heart, it's not me.
12:00Do you think it's not him?
12:01I don't know what to think.
12:03If she was on drugs, whatever.
12:04You lose his little voice from my face a minute.
12:07Obviously, I tell him I'm on drugs if I'm on drugs.
12:08Well, you didn't tell her before you went in the test, did you?
12:10She knew.
12:11Did you know that he was off his face on drugs?
12:14I hadn't included on some of it yet.
12:16So there you go.
12:17It didn't affect the test.
12:18It would have come out as inconclusive.
12:21Make your mind up.
12:23Fail or inconclusive.
12:25Let's ask the lie detector person, eh?
12:27Up to you, Annie.
12:29He knows what he's done.
12:30Yeah, I don't know what I haven't done.
12:32Anybody else got anything to say?
12:33You're just going to stand there wringing your hands.
12:35Do you think he stole the money?
12:37Well, he says he did.
12:39No, but he says it's because he was on drugs and he says you knew about it.
12:42So you know what I would do, right?
12:44Maybe you should just stay with him.
12:46Annie?
12:46I watched the show.
12:48I know how it works.
12:49No.
12:49I've got the lie detector.
12:50I've got accurate readings.
12:51I'm sorry.
12:51Can I get somebody from aftercare instead of running around after that low life?
12:55Can somebody come here, please?
12:57See, I was told it doesn't take the expense of the drugs anyway.
13:00Even if you have had drugs, it still has nothing to do with it.
13:05It's after the case, even if you'd had the drugs, yeah.
13:07Yeah.
13:08Sorry.
13:11Was your lie detector right?
13:12Yeah.
13:13Was yours?
13:13Yeah.
13:14His wasn't.
13:14I'll leave you with Karen.
13:15Give him a round of applause.
13:18It's true because if people come for the truth and then they say it's not right,
13:21I think you've nicked it after the break,
13:22a man on that stage has been banned from seeing his son by his ex this Christmas.
13:26Right back.
13:27Stuart, I'll never take your place, but you've got to step up.
13:30Can our kids call your dad forward then?
13:31I can't stop them, can I?
13:32It's not my place to.
13:33I think your kids are begging to see you.
13:35Hold your time, right?
13:37I'm sad.
13:38Running away again from your kids, are you?
13:41I'm not running after you.
13:42If you're the man up, get back here and come and see your kids.
13:55The next guest today, Stuart says that he's desperate to get access to his four children
13:59that he's been banned from seeing by his ex-partner, Crystal.
14:02Stuart says that he has been nothing but a great dad and is livid that now she's getting
14:06the kids to call her new partner dad.
14:08He says that he's not leaving this station a day before she agrees to let him see his
14:12kids over Christmas.
14:13Massive day for this guy.
14:15Stuart, on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
14:24Welcome to the show, my friend.
14:26Let's cut to the chase.
14:27Stuart, 27, four kids with Crystal, ex-partner.
14:29How long have you been apart from her?
14:30You look wound up, man.
14:32Yeah, I am.
14:32Nearly three years.
14:34Okay.
14:34How old are the kids?
14:35Nine, seven, five.
14:38Had a rest then?
14:39And four.
14:40I'm on the show to demand access to my children.
14:42She, for no reason, is stopping contact.
14:45Let's talk about when you split up.
14:47Were you seeing them on a regular basis?
14:48What sort of...
14:49How's it been since the split?
14:51Basically, we had a cut, um, agreement.
14:54We talked to it.
14:55Yes, okay.
14:56I didn't do much as a dad.
14:58What do you mean you didn't do much as a dad?
14:59I haven't been there much for him, to be fair.
15:00Why are you out here demanding access if you haven't seen them before, then?
15:03I'm a bit confused.
15:04To be honest, I've done my most of what I could do.
15:08I've let them down, but now I want to start seeing them again.
15:11You say she's got a new partner.
15:13He's playing blimmin' dad to my kids.
15:14They're calling him dad.
15:15Yeah, I can see that's not very good.
15:18And she's pregnant with his baby.
15:20You've been in love with her?
15:21No.
15:22But you want to see your kids?
15:23Yes.
15:23And the problem for you is you now know that you could have done more.
15:25How could you have done more in the past, yeah?
15:28Start seeing them more.
15:29She calls me a bad dad.
15:30She tells my kids I don't care about them.
15:32I haven't seen them in four months.
15:34What does that do to you?
15:36It kills me inside, to be fair.
15:37And this Carl guy, she's pregnant with his kid.
15:40Do you know much about this guy?
15:42Not much, no.
15:43How does it feel to think that your kids are being fathered by this guy?
15:47I'm not happy about it.
15:48I'm not happy about my kids calling him dad.
15:50Your moment, my friend.
15:51Crystal's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
16:01You say, in planning, that Stuart is a useless dad.
16:05He never bothers with our four kids.
16:06And he would even go so far as expect me to pay his bus fare to come and see him.
16:11Yeah.
16:12Why are you here?
16:13Well, to get into stand-up and be a dad.
16:16A bit man-up.
16:17That's what I'm here for.
16:19Right, it's took your time.
16:20Young man, every time we agree on stuff, you always go back on your word.
16:23Yeah, I go back on my word.
16:24Well, there you go, then.
16:25We're like, we're greeted for Saturday.
16:26Look what happened.
16:27I'm on here.
16:28He never bought them a single Christmas present last year.
16:31He's a constant letdown.
16:32You look almost resigned to it.
16:35I had to put the presents off me and him.
16:39Let's get her out.
16:39Is that your mum?
16:40Muriel's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
16:45You're a liar.
16:46You're a liar.
16:48You're such a liar.
16:49Okay, I sure am.
16:50You really are.
16:51Where have you been in your son's life?
16:52Hang on.
16:53Over time.
16:54You moved to London.
16:56You moved to London.
16:57So what?
16:58There you go.
16:59You left your son.
16:59You left your son and your four grandkids.
17:02What do you mean?
17:03I left them.
17:03You left them.
17:04I'm on the phone.
17:05There's a phone.
17:06There's a certain thing called a phone.
17:07Sorry, welcome to the show.
17:09You're his mum.
17:10Yes.
17:11Shut up, you.
17:12Get back onto your legal cage.
17:15Who's that?
17:16Mum.
17:16Who, Mum?
17:17Is that your mum?
17:18Well, she's stuck.
17:19Just one question, super mum.
17:22He comes out here saying, I want to see my kids.
17:25But shut up.
17:26That freely admits that he hasn't been there.
17:29Why the hell hasn't he been there?
17:31And rather than having a go at her.
17:32She doesn't let him.
17:33He said he hadn't made enough ever.
17:35Hang on.
17:35He has made an effort.
17:37Every time I make an arrangement, little girl over here.
17:40Listen.
17:40Changes her mind.
17:43Changes her mind because it doesn't go her way and then stops him.
17:48Shut up, you.
17:49You're going to do me this.
17:51All right.
17:51My talk.
17:52Shut up.
17:52No.
17:53Is that how you're going to do it, is it?
17:55Because my voice is louder than you.
17:56It's called the Jeremy Kyle social.
17:57Do you want to speak?
17:58She can speak, yeah?
18:00Your son.
18:01Your son said I haven't done enough.
18:03Yeah, I did.
18:04Do you pay for your kids?
18:06Do you work?
18:07Why not?
18:07Used to.
18:07Used to work.
18:08Why not?
18:09Lost my job because I had an accident.
18:11All right.
18:11And when you were working, did you pay for your kids?
18:13Yes, I did.
18:13Did he?
18:15We weren't much.
18:16I'll get you 120 quid.
18:18No, it was.
18:18Oh, that's right.
18:19Yeah, it was.
18:19No, it wasn't.
18:20Yeah, it was.
18:21No, it wasn't because you said you had to pay out.
18:24So you think he's a good dad, do you, Muriel?
18:27No.
18:27Well, then why are you having a go at her?
18:30I'm having a go at her and I have a go at him.
18:31Well, I haven't heard that.
18:33I've had a go at him.
18:34When was the last time you saw your grandchildren?
18:37Last year.
18:38How does that make you feel?
18:39Terrible.
18:40Really terrible.
18:41Well, then why is that, Crystal?
18:43Why can she not see her grandchildren, even if her son's a waste of damn space?
18:47Because I've gave her the opportunity to see her grandkids.
18:49She's been in Birmingham twice.
18:51And who had to ask permission to see her own grandkids?
18:54You didn't ask to see them.
18:56Who are you?
18:58You have never been there for your grandchildren.
19:01Who are you?
19:01I'm Crystal's mum.
19:02Go away until I say you can go.
19:04And you can go as well.
19:05Go.
19:06Go.
19:08I told you before.
19:12I told you before.
19:14Stop letting people come out and have a go.
19:17So you don't think your son's done a good job either?
19:20No, but I'll back him up.
19:22How can you back him up?
19:23He's nothing to say.
19:25I want him to come out here.
19:27And I want him to give me a reason why he should see his kids.
19:31But Stuart, you ain't done enough, have you?
19:33Yeah, the reason why I'm actually here, I want to see my kids.
19:35Because I look.
19:36Then why didn't you do more before?
19:38It's only because she's got a new bloke, isn't it?
19:40No, actually, that doesn't bother me.
19:42The only reason you're hacked off and you're steaming is because she's with somebody else.
19:46Which I get, because that makes you look in the mirror, right?
19:50And go, God, I've missed the boat.
19:53I'm more angry, I'm getting told my kids are calling him.
19:55Is that that?
19:56Is that true?
19:58They've called him dad, yeah.
19:59But the fact.
20:00Why would you tell him that?
20:01What have you stopped from saying it then for?
20:03How long have you been with your new man?
20:05Four months.
20:06Four months.
20:06And you think as a mother, it's all right for them to call him dad, yeah?
20:10It's been more of a dad to...
20:11In 16 weeks.
20:13Carl's on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
20:22I've always said, Stuart, I would never take your place, but you've got to step up.
20:26Why don't my kids call your dad forward then?
20:27I can't stop him, can I?
20:28It's not my place to...
20:29Yeah, and that's true.
20:29They're not my kids, but if I'm doing more than what you are, then I can't stop them.
20:32Yeah, all right, I'll give you a joke.
20:33You are doing more for my kids, yeah, and it should be me doing it.
20:36Carl, you say, let's cut to the chase.
20:37You've been with her for four months.
20:39I get this every single day.
20:40Stuart's a terrible dad.
20:42He arranges to come and see them and cancels at the last minute.
20:45Is that factual?
20:46And there's me...
20:47Then what the hell do you expect?
20:49Is it true?
20:49I'm not sure you told my team, Carl, that she has to beg and pay him money to come and
20:53see his kids.
20:54We've got messages to prove it.
20:56Come on, Stuart, you just...
20:57And you've gone quite a meal.
20:59That's disgusting.
20:59Is that fair?
21:00Yeah, sometimes I can't get the bus fare to come down and ask her to.
21:03At the end of the day, Stuart, your kids are begging to see her, especially your oldest.
21:08Last night when I was eating food, Cody turned around and said...
21:14You're running away again from your kids, are you?
21:16I'm not running after you.
21:17If you want to man up, get back here and come and see your kids.
21:21Come on, running.
21:21I'm not running.
21:25Are you absolutely kidding me?
21:27Oh, look.
21:28Look, we're having a cry now.
21:32Do you know what?
21:33There's only one way I know how to do this show.
21:35Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
21:36Get off your backside.
21:37And if you want to fight for your kids, get out there.
21:45Why'd you come?
21:46Why'd you come?
21:46I don't want to see my kids.
21:47Then why don't you prove it instead of running away?
21:50What's your mum called?
21:52Nita.
21:52Sorry?
21:53Nita.
21:53Nita's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
22:04Where have you been?
22:06I've been there for my grandchildren, right?
22:09Where have you been for the last three or four years?
22:11It's called London.
22:11Well, it doesn't make any difference.
22:14I've been there for my grandkids.
22:16You don't phone.
22:17You don't phone.
22:18Hang on.
22:18Wait.
22:20Wait.
22:21Wait.
22:21Hang on.
22:22No.
22:23I'm talking now.
22:25I don't care.
22:26I don't care.
22:27And you diss me.
22:28How dare you?
22:29You diss me.
22:30In front of my daughter.
22:31How dare you?
22:33I do not.
22:33I don't even care what you say.
22:35I don't care what you say.
22:36I don't even care.
22:37I talk to my grandkids.
22:39I talk to my grandkids.
22:40Where have you been?
22:40You don't speak to them on the phone.
22:42I've been there.
22:43No.
22:44You don't speak to them on the phone.
22:45You don't speak to them on the phone.
22:47No, I'm not a lawyer.
22:49No, I'm not a lawyer.
22:51Shut up.
22:51Both of you.
22:51One minute.
22:52Don't tell me to shut up.
22:53When I've had the kids, I run my mum up and I let my kids speak to my mum on
22:57the phone.
22:57How are you going to change it around?
22:59Start seeing my kids.
23:00Start being there more for them.
23:02How are you going to convince them that you mean it?
23:04By slagging their mother off and wishing her dead.
23:08Yeah, I admit that.
23:09What sort of father is he?
23:10What's wrong doing that?
23:11I admit that.
23:11And you're swearing.
23:13He's not a good father.
23:15I'm not being funny.
23:16Right, every...
23:19I've told you, Stuart, I'll never take your place.
23:21The pair of you do are screwing them up.
23:23The maid is screwing up.
23:24I've already told your kids they've only got one dad.
23:27All the relationship you two had has been toxic all through your relationship.
23:32You're nice one moment.
23:33You're not the next moment.
23:35And my grandkids can see all the time.
23:37I don't care what anybody says.
23:39I don't care what anybody says.
23:42I might be losing the plot after 12 years.
23:45I'm utterly convinced that your anger, your passion, your frustration has got nothing whatsoever to do with the kids.
23:52It's the fact that your ego cannot handle the fact that she's with a new man and pregnant by him.
23:58That's why I think you're still in love with her, pal, aren't you?
24:01No, man.
24:01Yeah.
24:02Hell yes, pal.
24:03Nah.
24:04Really?
24:04Need to talk to me?
24:06Come on, you've been giving it large.
24:09You walked on like it was the Magnificent Seven.
24:11You just got off a horse.
24:13What's going on?
24:14He's never...
24:15He's never there.
24:16You're never...
24:16You're never there for the kids, Stuart.
24:18You're never there.
24:19You even asked Crystal to ask me if I'd bring the kids to you.
24:23Yeah, I mean...
24:24Because you don't come to my house.
24:24I don't want to go down to yours.
24:26Because you won't come to my house.
24:27Why not?
24:27I hate going down to your area.
24:29You hate going to their area.
24:31I know you do.
24:32I walk Evan and her for her.
24:34I know you do.
24:35You asked Crystal for money so she could come and see your grandkids.
24:39You're always asking her for money.
24:41You should man up.
24:43Be a man, right?
24:44What have you got me before, Leigh?
24:45Who phoned the show?
24:47Crystal.
24:47Crystal.
24:48Oh, yeah.
24:48You really manned up, didn't you?
24:50He had to phone the show.
24:52You don't care about those kids.
24:53You just don't like the fact he's with your bird, do you?
24:56Mate, he can keep her.
24:57I don't care.
24:57I'm not bothered.
24:59No more.
25:00You're not bothered about your kids though, are you?
25:01I am bothered.
25:02I don't want to go to your kids.
25:03That's what I'm here for.
25:04I don't want to go to your kids.
25:06I won't be here right now.
25:07Oh, really, big man.
25:08What did you have something better to do then, did you?
25:10No, I haven't.
25:11Yeah.
25:12Well, why don't you get something better to do?
25:13Do you know the truth?
25:14You only did this because they, this man that you've slagged off on her, apparently a bad mother,
25:20they phoned the show because they wanted to give you another chance.
25:23And you know what's really interesting?
25:24Your mother has completely changed, look at your mother's face from what she's found
25:30out about you.
25:31Do you know how to sort this, Crystal?
25:33It's really simple.
25:35I don't think he's, I don't know whether he's committed, I don't know whether he's saying
25:40it for the right or the right reasons.
25:42You think I'm not going to...
25:43I'm not talking to you.
25:44Shut up.
25:44There is a way to sort this.
25:46There's a lady to it.
25:47I'm not talking about my kids.
25:48Really?
25:48Oh, eventually, yeah.
25:49There's a lady on his left whose only actually thing that she's done is come out here and
25:55support her son.
25:55But if you look at her, right, she's actually the, she's the key to this.
26:00There's no reason to stop her seeing her grandchildren.
26:03I've never seen her.
26:04Maybe, maybe I'm wrong about Muriel.
26:06Let me ask you a question, Muriel.
26:07Go on.
26:08Do you think he's in the right frame of mind or the right sort of example to be involved
26:11in his kid's life right now?
26:13Do you think he needs to kick up the backside and he needs to get himself sorted?
26:16Yes or no?
26:17Kick up.
26:18But that doesn't mean that she wouldn't be a great-grandmother.
26:21That's what I think.
26:22No, but my problem is that you come to Birmingham twice and you don't say that.
26:24I'm right.
26:25Let you know now.
26:26I'm back in Birmingham in two weeks, three weeks' time for good.
26:29I know he's your son.
26:32But Stuart, what do you expect people to think?
26:36What do you expect?
26:38I don't expect nothing to ask anybody, to be fair.
26:40If they want to judge me, they can judge me.
26:42I don't care.
26:42At the moment, they think you're not showing the right stuff.
26:46At the moment, yeah.
26:47You're not showing the right stuff.
26:49At the moment.
26:49You're not passionate enough.
26:51Don't need you, Stuart.
26:52Yeah, and they're going to have me in the lives again.
26:54When?
26:55When you're ready, when you're sorted?
26:56When you've got a girlfriend.
26:57No, no, no.
26:59Even if you can't get a girlfriend.
27:02When you had a girlfriend, you had them every weekend.
27:04But now, when you split up with her, after two weeks of being with her,
27:07when you split up with her, you just stopped having your kids.
27:09Why is that then?
27:10Did she do all the work with them?
27:11Can't you handle them?
27:12No.
27:13He's already said you can't cope with all four.
27:15Really?
27:15Yeah, I mean, I can't cope with all four.
27:16I can't cope with all four kids.
27:17Stuart, listen to me.
27:19Everybody can draw a line in the sand and move forward.
27:21I'm not saying that it was going to be easy,
27:24because everybody's saying the same thing, including your mother.
27:26But if they burn so deeply inside you,
27:28and if you've seen the error of your ways,
27:30you're going to have to get on your knees,
27:31and you're going to have to make sacrifices.
27:33You're going to have to put them first.
27:34If it has to be in a situation that you're not happy about to start with,
27:37and it has to be controlled or whatever,
27:39I know it's not easy for you.
27:40I know it's not.
27:41But you've caused this.
27:43Now, you can put this right,
27:44but that takes a real man.
27:45That takes a man to swallow his pride and say sorry and prove.
27:49What a great time of year to do that.
27:51You've got a mum who can be the link for you to see your kids again.
27:55And you know what?
27:56At the end of the day, all shouting aside,
27:57if you let them down,
27:59if we can work with you,
28:00and we can make this happen,
28:01and it tells me that they wanted to do this because they came here.
28:03And actually what I see from this side is
28:05this has all been about the kids.
28:07I've even bought the kids' presents for Christmas.
28:12I've got them on me right now.
28:13Go and get them.
28:19Give them to the kids.
28:21Make sure you do.
28:23Will you work with us?
28:26You won't be here if you weren't going to work.
28:33Give him another chance with our help, Crystal.
28:35One more chance on this camera,
28:36and I promise you forever,
28:38if he doesn't, you'll be able to tell your kids.
28:39You.
28:42And open them.
28:43Can we work at this, please,
28:44seeing as how you rang this show for this?
28:46I'm not saying that he's going to see it through,
28:47but you will forever know there,
28:49forever, that you've done this.
28:51Can we do it?
28:52Yeah, last chance.
28:54Stuart, you ain't going to get any better than that.
28:56And whether you leave this stage
28:57not liking the fact that a few people told you
28:59a few home truths.
29:00If your kids burn so deeply in your heart and soul,
29:03they should be the focus.
29:04Yes?
29:05Muriel, I understand you're supporting him.
29:07We'll put you together with Graham.
29:08Nita, Carl, I like you.
29:10Thank you for coming on.
29:11You two that way, you three that way.
29:12Take the presents for your kids.
29:16Let you know.
29:17Will he see it through?
29:18Will he be a good dad?
29:19We don't know.
29:19After the break,
29:20a man desperately going out for his son
29:22before it's too late.
29:23We're right back.
29:23Don't go anywhere.
29:24Justin's 36.
29:25Um, 20 years.
29:2820 years, yeah.
29:29How did it start?
29:30He started messing about with wrong codes.
29:32Oh, he's taking alfetamide.
29:34And then how do we?
29:35This is the worst he's ever been.
29:37How about?
29:38Tell him, Justin.
29:39Tell him.
29:40Hi.
29:41I'm going to die three times.
29:43We're going to lose him.
29:44He's going to die, Jeremy.
29:46He's going to die.
29:57Thank you very much.
29:58Today, welcome back.
29:59My next guest today,
30:00John says that he is utterly desperate
30:01for his son to get clean
30:03after bringing a heroin addict
30:04for over 20 years.
30:05Now, John says that Justin
30:06first started taking heroin
30:07when he was just 15 years of age
30:09and since then, frankly,
30:10his life has spiralled out of control.
30:12He says that his son
30:13has even burgled his home
30:14just to get a fix
30:16and he is utterly petrified
30:17that if he doesn't get help soon,
30:18his son literally won't be around
30:20for Christmas.
30:20Massive day
30:21for a proud father as well.
30:22John is on the Jeremy Kyle show
30:24that way.
30:36Good to see you.
30:37Nice to meet you, Jeremy.
30:40Thanks for coming.
30:41So many different stories
30:42over the years.
30:43These are the ones
30:44that really touched me.
30:45First of all,
30:46we're here to talk about Justin,
30:47your son.
30:47As a father,
30:48how difficult is today?
30:50Very.
30:51Very difficult.
30:52You can't even imagine
30:53what it's like.
30:54But first,
30:55before we go any further,
30:56can I thank your team
30:58from the bottom of my heart?
31:00They do a great job
31:02and they don't...
31:02Actually, give them a round of applause
31:03because they're doing amazing.
31:04They do.
31:04They do.
31:08A lot of people come out here...
31:10Yeah.
31:10Let me put that down.
31:11A lot of people come out here
31:11and they justify
31:13their offspring's behaviour.
31:16You, I know,
31:17because they told me this morning,
31:18you're not like that.
31:19You're very direct.
31:20Justin's 36.
31:22Yeah.
31:2320 years on here.
31:2520 years, yeah.
31:25How did it start?
31:27It just...
31:27What it was,
31:28to go back in time
31:30before he obviously got
31:31to this stage,
31:31this age,
31:32he started messing about
31:33with the wrong crowds.
31:34I wasn't aware of it,
31:35you know,
31:36your son goes out,
31:37I was having matrimonial problems
31:39and then it come to it,
31:41he's taking heroin.
31:42Oh, he was taking amphetamines
31:44and then heroin.
31:45And then you think,
31:46but it's not a behaviour
31:47that you pick up on
31:48straight away.
31:49Because they hide it?
31:50Of course they hide it.
31:51Now, he's going to come out
31:52and he's going to say,
31:53let's be totally honest,
31:54my mother died when I was young.
31:55My life's been in the toilet
31:58and that's been my problem.
32:00But what always interests me about,
32:01and there's no doubt
32:02you can't get away from that,
32:03but that's 20 years ago,
32:04more than that,
32:0425, 30 years ago.
32:07Everything about this young man's life
32:09is about getting the next fix.
32:11And my thing always is,
32:12if you can do anything,
32:14you can steal from your family,
32:15you can beg,
32:16you can abuse,
32:17you can do whatever,
32:18why don't people like that
32:19ever use that power
32:20to do something
32:21to turn their lives around?
32:22I don't get that at all.
32:24It won't occur
32:24if you rob your mum,
32:26your grandma.
32:27He stole them from all of you?
32:29Stole them from us?
32:30That's just an understatement.
32:32He's pinched Christmas presents
32:33for his own kids.
32:34I put him up in the house,
32:36said, right,
32:36you and your girlfriend,
32:37stay with me,
32:37you and your girlfriend.
32:39When he went to work,
32:40he watched a car
32:40pull away from the door,
32:42booted the door in
32:43and robbed things in my house.
32:44I'm putting them up
32:45and feeding him.
32:46You say I haven't let him down,
32:48he's had chance after chance.
32:49He's let himself down,
32:50he's been in hospital
32:51that many times.
32:52Let's talk about
32:52the physical transformation.
32:54There you are.
32:55Left to right.
32:57Yep.
32:58Left to right.
32:59Is he what I call
33:01somebody now,
33:02when you speak to him,
33:04all sorts of people
33:04come through that door,
33:06when you're with him
33:06that looks like
33:07an archetypal drug addict
33:09or does he manage
33:10to carry it off sometimes?
33:12He can't carry it off
33:13because his behaviour
33:14when he takes Arwen,
33:16somebody takes Arwen,
33:17they go through
33:17a phase called gouching.
33:19And they'll just go
33:20into like sleep
33:21and drifting off
33:23and if he takes it,
33:25you can tell straight away
33:25when he's took it now.
33:27When you look at him,
33:27what do you think?
33:28As a father,
33:28shame,
33:28embarrassment,
33:29anger?
33:30I just feel,
33:31I don't feel like
33:32I've let him down,
33:33I feel like he's
33:34letting me down.
33:36You know,
33:36I'm putting it bluntly,
33:37I mean you get a beep
33:38on this,
33:38but I've watched it
33:39long enough.
33:40Right?
33:40I've been to hospitals,
33:42I've seen him
33:42with drips in his neck,
33:43once direct into his heart.
33:45He's had two,
33:46three blood transfusions
33:47for septicemia.
33:48Do you think people
33:49have been too soft?
33:51Do you think that,
33:52I mean it's easy isn't it
33:53to sit here away from it all
33:54and if it's a loved one
33:55it's difficult.
33:56Do you think that people
33:57have made excuses?
33:59Well,
34:00yeah,
34:00so,
34:01if he comes in the house
34:02and he'd say something
34:03to me like,
34:04Dad,
34:05you've not got two quid
34:06have you?
34:07What do you want
34:07two quid for?
34:08I'm taking it lads
34:09for the haircut
34:09and I'm two pound shy.
34:11When it were early doors
34:12I'd go,
34:13here,
34:13two quid.
34:14He needs ten pounds
34:15to get a bag.
34:17So that's what he's
34:18striving for
34:18from day to day.
34:20So he starts off
34:21one bag,
34:22two bags,
34:23it went up to
34:24an 80 pound a day
34:25habit.
34:26Now he's not working,
34:27so where's he getting
34:28his money from?
34:29Stealing it.
34:29Have a shout.
34:30He's been in hospital
34:31so many times,
34:32blood transfusions,
34:32the lot,
34:33I don't know what else
34:33to do.
34:34This is Christmas,
34:34obviously,
34:35a time when families
34:36are supposed to be
34:36together.
34:38Has he been around
34:39the last few Christmases?
34:41I don't know,
34:41he's been in jail
34:42a couple of Christmases ago
34:45and he was doing
34:46a bit of weight,
34:46she went big,
34:47similar to that.
34:48You told my team,
34:49in jail,
34:49he managed to get
34:50heroin in jail.
34:51Of course he did.
34:51Can I tell you about
34:52his own kid,
34:53by the way,
34:54Justin Junior.
34:55Yep.
34:56Too embarrassed to come
34:57on this set today,
34:58at the moment,
34:59backstage.
35:00His father,
35:01such a bad influence,
35:03is he,
35:03took him out last night,
35:05didn't he?
35:06Do you know what time
35:06he got back this morning?
35:08Because, you know,
35:08we'd know about that.
35:09He brought a 17-year-old kid
35:10back at 6am this morning,
35:12haven't been out the streets
35:12of Manchester on night.
35:14The thing about this guy
35:15is you tell my team,
35:16this is it,
35:16this is the best opportunity
35:17he'll ever get.
35:18I ain't kissing his backside.
35:19I don't blame you.
35:20Because,
35:21oh, here we go,
35:22look,
35:22the world's against me.
35:23Why is everybody
35:24being so nasty?
35:25I probably don't know
35:26where he is.
35:26No, but sometimes
35:27I have a go
35:28and then people go,
35:29don't be horrible
35:29as much as I'm...
35:29Jeremy, Jeremy,
35:30listen, listen.
35:32Walter for Duck's back with me.
35:33He says,
35:34pushed out by you,
35:35mother died,
35:36my life's a nightmare,
35:37nobody understands.
35:38If I'm going to wake up,
35:39right,
35:40and I'm sleeping on floorboards
35:41and these two can sew me bed,
35:42why do you think
35:42you get pushed out?
35:43What do you think?
35:44I am with you.
35:45Justin's on the
35:46Jeremy Kyle show.
35:47Good man that way.
35:57What's happening?
35:59What's happening?
36:00Sit down.
36:01What do you mean
36:01what's happening?
36:04I was saying
36:05what's happening
36:05to my dad.
36:06When was the last time
36:06you took drugs,
36:07Justin?
36:08This morning.
36:10When?
36:11About six o'clock.
36:13Where did you borrow
36:14the money from?
36:14I borrowed it from my sister.
36:15How are you going to pay it back?
36:16Did she know
36:17it was for heroin?
36:19Well,
36:19I didn't say
36:20what it was for.
36:21I just asked her
36:22to borrow the money.
36:24When you look
36:24in the mirror,
36:25what do you see?
36:26Obviously,
36:27I see myself.
36:28You look like death.
36:29I don't mean.
36:30You think you're clever,
36:31do you?
36:31No,
36:31I don't think I'm clever.
36:32Have a look at that.
36:33That's your life.
36:35I don't know.
36:37Yeah,
36:37I know.
36:37So you're not bothered
36:38really,
36:38no?
36:39Yeah,
36:39I am bothered.
36:39Then why are you here?
36:40Why am I here?
36:41Yeah,
36:41why are you here?
36:42It's not a difficult question.
36:43You've had enough.
36:44Yeah,
36:44I've had enough.
36:45I told my team
36:45my dad pushed me out,
36:46my life's been a nightmare,
36:48my mum died,
36:49that's why my life's so bad,
36:51yeah?
36:52Oh,
36:52yeah.
36:5325 years ago that was,
36:55what you're doing about it,
36:56still moaning about it,
36:56why haven't you turned
36:57your life around?
36:59You've got a son.
37:01You've got a son.
37:02Yes,
37:02sir.
37:04You've got a son,
37:05what sort of role model
37:06do you think you're not to him?
37:07I'm not.
37:08Too embarrassed to be here,
37:09you steal off your own son.
37:11You burglary your father's house.
37:13I regret what I've done.
37:14Well,
37:14how long are you going to regret it
37:15and when are you going to
37:16damn well do something about it?
37:18You know when you go and score,
37:19don't you?
37:20You know when you go and score
37:21last night or whatever you do
37:22when you beg your sister for money,
37:23why don't you use that
37:25to go and do something
37:25with your life that's good?
37:27Why don't you
37:28take responsibility
37:29and make things better?
37:30Why do people like you
37:31sit there like,
37:32oh,
37:32he's being a bit horrible
37:33to me,
37:33isn't he?
37:36Responsibility.
37:37Yeah.
37:37Well,
37:38hang on a minute.
37:40You sold your children's Christmas presents
37:42for heroin.
37:42Yeah,
37:42I did.
37:44Yeah?
37:45And I regret it.
37:47Terrible.
37:48You know what I mean?
37:49Tell him how you feel,
37:50Dad,
37:51because you don't even get it,
37:52do you?
37:52Look at your face.
37:53Look at how it feels.
37:54It's very hard,
37:55Jeremy,
37:55to get across.
37:56I was trying to get across
37:57the audience as well
37:58so you know I...
37:58Get it to him,
37:59because he doesn't even look like
38:00he knows what time of day it is.
38:01Of course not what time it is.
38:02This chance now
38:04is the only chance
38:05you're ever going to get,
38:06trust me.
38:07Right?
38:07We ain't going to get it
38:08unless he gets it
38:09to his backside.
38:10At the end of the day,
38:11you have got to get this
38:13with both hands,
38:14we're all here,
38:16right,
38:16to help you.
38:18Right?
38:19Why do you look confused?
38:22I'm just listening to him.
38:24He's just listening to me,
38:26he says.
38:26No, he's not.
38:27Right?
38:27So listen to what I'm saying
38:28to you now,
38:29Justin.
38:29This is important,
38:31very important,
38:32not just to you,
38:33you want your life back,
38:34you want to be back on track.
38:35There's nothing I'd love more
38:37than to see you back on track,
38:39come at my house
38:39and say,
38:40do me some burning eggs.
38:41Made up.
38:42I'm in a relationship
38:43and say,
38:44well,
38:44everybody's frightened
38:46and they're frightened for you.
38:47You look like
38:48that typical look
38:50of somebody
38:51who thinks
38:51the world owes them a favour.
38:54What about your behaviour
38:55towards your family?
38:56It's disgusting,
38:57isn't it?
38:58Yeah, it is.
38:58Then why do you keep doing it?
39:01Hang on a minute,
39:02last time I did
39:02something like that.
39:04What?
39:05You borrowed money
39:06off your sister yesterday
39:07and you didn't tell her
39:08it was for a bag of heroin,
39:09did you?
39:09What is it?
39:10Tell your son
39:11what his behaviour
39:12does to you
39:13and the family.
39:14Screws us up,
39:15breaks our hearts.
39:16We talk more about you,
39:18Justin,
39:18than any other member.
39:20What's your sister called?
39:21Is it Jane?
39:22Yeah.
39:23Oh, you've remembered that.
39:24Jane's on the Jeremy Kyle show,
39:25show that one.
39:35She won't say anything.
39:36No, no, no,
39:36she's right at least.
39:37He just sits there like...
39:39Just tell him,
39:39just tell him everything,
39:40Justin.
39:42Tell him
39:42because we're going to lose him.
39:44He's going to die,
39:44Jeremy.
39:45He's going to die.
39:49Tell him,
39:50tell him everything,
39:51Justin.
39:53How bad is it,
39:54Justin?
39:56Bad.
39:57How bad?
40:02This is the worst
40:03he's ever been.
40:04How bad?
40:08Tell him,
40:08Justin.
40:09Tell him.
40:10Why?
40:10I've really died
40:11three times.
40:13And you know that.
40:20Not yet.
40:22He lay on my kitchen floor,
40:23Jeremy,
40:24last month
40:24and I thought
40:25he was going to bleed to death
40:26and I thought
40:27I was going to see him
40:27bleed to death
40:28on my kitchen floor.
40:31Look at your sister.
40:34Just tell him,
40:34Justin,
40:35be honest.
40:39Worst it's ever been.
40:42Yeah,
40:43well,
40:43it's getting worse,
40:43yeah.
40:44Do you want to die?
40:45No.
40:46Then why haven't you
40:47anything about it?
40:49I've got three kids.
40:52Oh, yeah.
40:53There's a 17-year-old
40:54here today
40:54too embarrassed
40:54to come out.
40:57I know.
40:58I'm not,
40:58by the way,
40:59for one minute
40:59saying that it's easy
41:00to do it,
41:01OK?
41:01Hear me out.
41:02But what I can never
41:03accept on this show
41:04is when people
41:05come out here
41:05and they expect
41:08to click their fingers,
41:10they're ready to change.
41:11You've got to acknowledge
41:12the mess that you've made
41:13of so many other people's lives.
41:15of course I do.
41:16Your families,
41:17your kids.
41:21How many times
41:22do you take heroin a day?
41:24I've got it
41:26done
41:28just about a day.
41:29Never done rehab?
41:31No.
41:32I want you to do me
41:33a favour.
41:34I want you to turn
41:35and look at that screen,
41:36all of you.
41:36We sent you to Dr. Ghosh,
41:37who, of course,
41:38is our medical expert.
41:39You just listen,
41:40I know,
41:41you raised your eyes to heaven,
41:42but you listen
41:42to the reality of this.
41:44Play.
41:45Hi, guys.
41:46I've just seen Justin
41:47in the clinic today.
41:49Justin is 36 years old
41:50and has been addicted
41:51to heroin for over 20 years.
41:54There isn't an organ
41:55in his body
41:55that hasn't been affected
41:56by this drug use.
41:57He's got signs
41:58of endocarditis,
41:59which is a heart infection.
42:01He's got signs
42:02of fluid on his lungs,
42:03hepatitis C,
42:04DVT,
42:05and he's almost died
42:06three times
42:07being taken into hospital
42:08in emergency situations.
42:10I do not think
42:11if Justin continues
42:12with this drug use,
42:14he will be here next year.
42:15He needs to stop
42:16and he needs to stop now.
42:18What he doesn't realise is,
42:19however,
42:20that if it doesn't kill him,
42:21he's going to be left
42:22with permanent brain damage.
42:28Brain damage.
42:31See, you're bad.
42:33I think how bad
42:33it makes us feel as well.
42:35Am I getting warm
42:36with that on my head?
42:39I read you a statement
42:40from your son,
42:42your 17-year-old son.
42:45My dad really needs help
42:46to get clean from heroin.
42:47All my life,
42:48I've only ever known him
42:50to be on drugs
42:50and see him high.
42:52I've walked past him
42:53when he's sleeping rough
42:54on the streets.
42:55And one day,
42:56without knowing who I was,
42:57he asked me for money
42:58so he could buy drugs.
43:00I want a proper dad.
43:02I want him clean.
43:04The best Christmas present
43:05in the world
43:06would be if my dad
43:07finally beat his demons
43:08with your help, Jeremy.
43:11It's your son, man.
43:13Is that not...
43:14Is that not reason enough?
43:17Is it not?
43:20Yeah.
43:22Why now?
43:24I'm running off.
43:25Basically, I'm running off.
43:26I'll tell you what,
43:26stand up,
43:27because I'm fed up
43:27with these three
43:28if you come with me.
43:33Watch the wires here.
43:34Sorry, Sal.
43:38Can you get the family as well?
43:43You don't even look to me
43:44like you care
43:45that we're trying to help you.
43:46Then convince me!
43:48Do you know what I mean?
43:49But you don't look...
43:50Do you want to change it?
43:51Christmas is coming!
43:52Your kid's embarrassed!
43:53Your kid's only ever
43:54seen you high!
43:56Yeah, and all that.
43:58Watch that they follow the wire.
43:59Don't understand it.
44:05Yeah, that's important.
44:06Let's get out of here.
44:12That's...
44:14You have to do this, yeah.
44:23You all right?
44:24Harry.
44:26Very lovely to see.
44:27Very clever.
44:28Justin?
44:29It's Christmas.
44:30This is never going to happen again.
44:31It's more for him
44:32and him and her.
44:33And by the way,
44:34and I know everybody
44:35thinks I'm cynical,
44:36I don't have much faith
44:37in a lot of people.
44:38You want to make next Christmas,
44:39you want to damn well listen
44:40to what he has to say
44:41right now.
44:42OK, so, Justin,
44:43I'm here to offer you
44:4412 weeks residential
44:47rehabilitation
44:48at our centre in Chelmsford,
44:50that's PCP in Chelmsford,
44:52where we're going to detox you
44:53from heroin
44:54and all substances
44:56and we're going to give you
44:57therapy, counselling
44:58and get you off
44:59this stuff forever.
45:0112 weeks residential,
45:03you ain't spending Christmas
45:04at home,
45:04you ain't spending Christmas
45:05on the streets,
45:06you ain't spending Christmas
45:07begging.
45:08The brilliance of this man
45:09and the work that Graham does,
45:10it's not just about
45:11detoxing you,
45:12it's about coping mechanisms
45:14afterwards
45:14and the reasons patently
45:15why you did it
45:16in the first place.
45:17Understand this,
45:18that this is
45:20abstinence-based programme.
45:21You can never use again,
45:23OK?
45:23You must understand that.
45:25You have to change your life,
45:26you've got to drop everyone
45:27and everything
45:27about your old life
45:29and move on
45:30with the new life.
45:31Have that commitment
45:31when you go in there.
45:33You've never been able
45:34to manage heroin,
45:35you never will
45:36be able to manage heroin,
45:37OK?
45:37It's about abstinence.
45:39OK.
45:40Now you might stand here
45:41and be terrified
45:42and think,
45:42how would I do that?
45:43That's the point
45:44that I make
45:44about PCP and Graham.
45:46It's not just now
45:47and the abstinence
45:48gets afterwards
45:49and Graham made
45:49a really good point
45:50about the people
45:50that you hang out with
45:51and where you live
45:52and whatever.
45:53Are you all right, pal?
45:54Yeah.
45:54Can you do me a favour?
45:55I know you probably
45:56don't want to do this
45:57but it's one sentence.
45:59What would it mean to you
46:00if your dad
46:00finally did something
46:02about this?
46:03Yeah.
46:04I've been men,
46:04I've been men.
46:06So,
46:06but that's when you go back.
46:09Do you need anything else?
46:11Come here.
46:13Do you want me to be honest with you?
46:14I fully expect to call
46:15in three days
46:15to say you've left.
46:16Not a chance.
46:17Not a chance.
46:19Promise?
46:20Believe me or not.
46:21The most important thing
46:22in my life
46:22are my four kids.
46:23If that
46:23is not reason enough.
46:25Sorry,
46:25I didn't mean
46:25when I said that.
46:27I saw your eyes
46:28when he clasped hold of you.
46:30Go through hell
46:30for 12 weeks.
46:31Get your life back,
46:32get your family back,
46:33get your kids back.
46:35get in that car,
46:36say goodbye to your family,
46:37say goodbye to your sister.
46:40Thanks for seeing you all.
46:43Hurry up.
46:45I want you to do it.
46:46I want you to do it.
46:46I'll do it.
46:47Don't worry,
46:47I'll do it.
46:48Okay.
46:49I'll do it, yeah?
46:57Unless you're fully committed,
46:58okay?
46:59I want to do it.
47:00You're going to do this.
47:01I'm going to do it.
47:02Watch.
47:03I'll do it
47:03and I'll show you.
47:04Get in that car.
47:07Thank you, Keith.
47:08Thank you, Perry.
47:19Listen,
47:19this is half of the battle.
47:20Where's Grace?
47:21Sorry,
47:21with people everywhere.
47:22There are many occasions
47:23when we've done that.
47:24Listen,
47:25listen,
47:25I understand you lot
47:26will be firm.
47:27This is the boy
47:27I think about a lot.
47:28That's the best offer
47:29he's going to get ever.
47:30You can only now hope.
47:31You've got to be firm,
47:32you've got to be strong.
47:33If he rings you
47:33or says,
47:34I want to get out,
47:34absolutely not.
47:35This will change his life.
47:37Listen,
47:37I wish you luck.
47:37There's the man.
47:38Give him a round of applause.
47:39Thank you very much indeed.
47:42So let's hope
47:43he can make
47:44that massive change
47:45to his life
47:46this Christmas
47:46for him
47:47and more importantly
47:48his son.
47:48I am for this morning
47:49out of time.
47:50Thank you so much for watching.
47:51We'll see you very soon.
47:51Take care.
47:52Bye-bye for now.
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