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00:00On today's show...
00:01You said our daughter died because she was too damn lazy
00:04with a high blood pressure, Jason, then you go further.
00:06I've hit her in the past, but let's be honest, she deserved it.
00:11She brought it on herself.
00:13And that sounds horrible. It does, guys, it does.
00:17Well, you've done to me this bag of half-water.
00:19I mean, that's what I said.
00:20Nobody told us that to have had this two weeks after she'd been buried.
00:23I'm glad she's dead.
00:25I'm glad she's dead.
00:27I've got everything, everything, everything.
00:31I don't like him at all.
00:32I mean, he doesn't deserve to see my granddaughter.
00:36Why am I lying? What am I lying about?
00:39Oi, there's not once I have made up an excuse.
00:41There's not once...
00:42You didn't even want to see him.
00:44You didn't want lawyer there.
00:46How many friends have I gone to court?
00:48Have you ever been there?
00:49Have you ever been there?
00:50Let her speak, Carlos.
00:53But you've never been there.
00:54And like everybody said, Nan has never moved.
00:58No, but you're striking me off, though.
01:00Carlos, now is your chance to...
01:23Hello, my friends.
01:24Good morning, it was ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:26My first guest today, Andrew, is here as he wants to tell his controlling ex-partner,
01:31Lauren, to stop harassing him and let him move on with his life.
01:34Now, shockingly, Andrew blames her after she suffered a tragic stillbirth because, according
01:39to him, she ignored medical advice and he says he will never, ever, ever be able to forgive
01:45her.
01:45Andrew is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
01:55Welcome to Showtime C, Andrew, 26.
01:58This is about you and your ex, Lauren.
01:59How long were you together, you and Lauren?
02:00Nearly five years.
02:01Five years.
02:03You're to blame for the death of our child.
02:05Well, basically, that's what she's saying, yes.
02:08How did you meet?
02:09Met at an hotel.
02:10Oh.
02:11Yeah.
02:12Brilliant.
02:13What, was she working there?
02:14I don't even know what else.
02:15I was working there.
02:16Now, the pregnancy, planned or what?
02:20No.
02:20No, it wasn't planned.
02:23When she fell pregnant, I did say to her that we wasn't in the situation to have another
02:28baby.
02:28You said, I wanted her to have an abortion.
02:30Yes, I did.
02:31Not an easy thing to say.
02:32Why?
02:32Why?
02:33Because you believed that you weren't...
02:35We wasn't in that situation and in a good enough situation.
02:38She decided that she would go ahead with the pregnancy.
02:41You split up.
02:42She moved away out of spite.
02:43You say, I didn't even know she'd gone into labour.
02:45Yeah.
02:46You found out two days later.
02:48Yeah, two days.
02:49I found out on a Monday morning.
02:51How do you feel about that?
02:52Well, I felt a bit sad, really.
02:55Um, I can't...
02:56You know, I find this really...
02:58I've done this a long time.
02:59Our daughter died because she was too damn lazy to get her high blood pressure checked.
03:04Um, it's not the fact she was too lazy.
03:08That's what you said.
03:09Yeah, obviously, yeah.
03:11Well, obviously, that's a pretty outrageous thing to say, isn't it?
03:14Well, yeah.
03:14You're blaming her.
03:15The woman threw a stillbirth.
03:16She went through the worst thing a woman could go through.
03:18And you're blaming her.
03:20How do you think that sounds?
03:22Yeah, it sounds horrible.
03:24It sounds horrible.
03:25But she got told...
03:27Apparently, she bans you from the funeral.
03:29Yeah.
03:29Oh, yeah.
03:30Yeah.
03:31I got a...
03:32Shut up!
03:35I got a message on Facebook saying that you're not...
03:37I've got a message on Facebook.
03:39Oh, Facebook!
03:39Yeah, Facebook.
03:41Tell me about it.
03:41She loves it.
03:42What?
03:43Facebook.
03:44Oh, right, OK.
03:44Uh, you weren't at the funeral.
03:45She banned me from the funeral.
03:46I didn't even want to be friends.
03:48I want Lauren out of my life.
03:49Why are you here, then?
03:50Because she's making me look like a bad person.
03:52I love her.
03:53How on earth would she have a...
03:54It's the easiest thing in the world to make you look like a bad person.
03:57You said our daughter died because she was too damn lazy to get her high blood pressure checked.
04:01And then you go further.
04:01I've hit her in the past, but let's be honest, she deserved it.
04:07Yeah, right.
04:09Yeah.
04:09Is that true?
04:10Is that how you see it?
04:11No, that's not how I see it, Gemma.
04:14It's not that she deserved it.
04:17She brought it on herself.
04:19And that sounds horrible.
04:21It does, guys.
04:22It does.
04:22It does.
04:23It sounds horrible.
04:24But when you're getting told that, oh, you're not the baby's father, stuff like it.
04:30There's no reason to hit anybody.
04:31Is it a man or a woman in any which way?
04:33Is it?
04:38What you're saying is despite the fact that you're not together, she's been harassing you.
04:42She's painting you out in this terrible way.
04:44So the right thing to do is to come on the Jeremy Carr show and admit that you hit her
04:47occasionally,
04:48but she deserved it.
04:49And frankly, you blame her for killing your son.
04:50That's your daughter.
04:51Basically, that's what you're saying, yeah?
04:52No, I'm not blaming her.
04:54I am not blaming her for everything, no.
04:56Our daughter died because she was too lazy to get her high blood pressure checked.
04:58I've hit her before because she deserved it.
05:00Yeah, it's...
05:01That's what you said to us, right?
05:02Yes, I did, yeah.
05:03Well, imagine how they think that sounds.
05:05Yes, I know.
05:05Is she making me out to be a monster when I'm like Jeremy?
05:08Who is a sexist, self-centred, controlling woman, Peter, and the world needs to know Lauren's
05:14on the Jeremy Carr show.
05:15That right.
05:18Yes!
05:20You're a f***ing pathetic!
05:22Absolutely f***ing perfect one.
05:24You've done to me, he's a b***h!
05:25You've done this!
05:26How have I done this?
05:27Blame me for that thought I said!
05:29Blame me!
05:29You're the one who told me to abort her!
05:31He turned round rank and said to me that f***ing up with people.
05:34Do you know what he said to her?
05:35I said two weeks after she'd been buried.
05:36I'm glad she's dead.
05:39I'm glad she's dead and I didn't f***ing care!
05:42That's what come out of your f***ing house!
05:44You didn't pay anything for her if you were allowed to pay everything!
05:47Did you say that?
05:48Everything!
05:48Sorry, you're not telling me!
05:49I've got everything!
05:51Everything!
05:52Everything!
05:52Everything!
05:53What have you done?
05:54Nothing!
05:55Listen to me.
05:56Listen.
05:57So I didn't turn around to you and say, oh, I will help you pay for things.
06:01Don't lie, Lauren.
06:02Don't lie.
06:02You said that!
06:03Yes, thank you!
06:04What have I done?
06:05I had to go through everything in hospital.
06:08You told me that you didn't want me there!
06:10I'm a liar!
06:10You turned around to me and you said you don't...
06:12Can I ask a question?
06:13Can I jump in?
06:14Did you really say I wished my daughter dead?
06:16No, I didn't.
06:17Yes, you don't f***!
06:18No, I didn't say that!
06:19You said it to me!
06:20I used to...
06:22I used to love...
06:23Hello?
06:23Oi, shut up.
06:24I used to love Andy, but he's a liar who's obsessed with sex and takes too many dirty
06:29drugs.
06:30He has no idea what I went through.
06:32Welcome to the show, Lauren.
06:33What did you go through?
06:34Tell me.
06:35What did I go through?
06:36Right.
06:37Obviously, things, obviously, between us at the beginning were perfect.
06:40He told you to have an abortion when you were...
06:42Yes, he did.
06:42Just shut that person up, whoever's in there.
06:44When I found...
06:45Shut up!
06:45When I found out I was pregnant and everything, he basically turned around and said that
06:50he didn't want another baby, he wanted me to abort her.
06:52He didn't want her, he didn't feel anything for her like he does for me other two.
06:56And then, obviously, I just told him I was keeping the baby and everything.
07:01Obviously, he didn't turn up to any scans.
07:02I went through every single one of them scans on my own.
07:04He's there.
07:05You didn't want me to...
07:05He's there.
07:06Don't you?
07:06No, I told you.
07:08I messaged your mum.
07:09You didn't want me out, any of them.
07:10No, that's true.
07:13Is it me?
07:13About four times.
07:15He's given me pot arms, pot legs, at his house, right?
07:19Racing to his house, we're having a party, right?
07:21I caught him in bed, right?
07:23So I...
07:23I hit him.
07:25I hit him.
07:26Shut up.
07:27I hit him with me.
07:28No, I hit him.
07:29So it's all your dissonance.
07:31I don't care what I have to do there.
07:33You can do one until I tell you to get on.
07:36Get on.
07:38Get on.
07:40Listen, let me tell you, let me tell you...
07:42Let me tell you something.
07:44I don't condone it either way.
07:46And you, listen to me.
07:47If you're...
07:48Look at me.
07:48If you're right...
07:49Shut up.
07:50Whinging.
07:51If you're right, and he is what you say he is, doing what you've just done does not
07:54make you look good.
07:56Part your backside and be fair.
07:59How are you clapping?
08:00How are you clapping?
08:01She's only admitted you hit a woman four times.
08:04It's disgusting.
08:05When I caught him in bed, I hit him.
08:07He says that when you caught him in bed, you didn't do anything.
08:09You jumped into bed and had a threesome.
08:10I hit him after.
08:12I hit him after.
08:13He jumped on me.
08:13Isn't it also true to say...
08:16Isn't it true to say you also did cheat on him, though, love?
08:18Come on, you did cheat on him.
08:19I've never cheated on him.
08:19You've never cheated on him.
08:20I've never cheated on him.
08:22I've got a threesome at big in your ass.
08:24No, I didn't.
08:26No, I didn't.
08:28You're like a little...
08:29It's you, that was...
08:30It was you.
08:32Listen.
08:32Do you know when I caught him in bed, he jumped up, he headbutted me, bust my nose, he threw
08:36me into a bedside table, and he tried jumping over the banister to strangle me.
08:39Yeah, because...
08:40Then two weeks after my daughter would...
08:41This was two weeks after my daughter would be...
08:42Thank the Lord you two aren't together, then.
08:45That would be the best thing to say, wouldn't it?
08:48What?
08:48And then he said, you know, he come in, he walked into my house, he started mouthing at me
08:53and everything.
08:54He's posted.
08:55Will you sit down here and give me a black hand?
08:56I've come into your house, please.
08:58I've had enough, he's posted vile messages about me on Facebook, he's trying to turn
09:02the world against me.
09:03He says that you're stalking him.
09:05Have you taken drugs?
09:06I have done, yeah.
09:07What sort of drugs?
09:08Cannabis.
09:09Well, they think you've done it.
09:10I have done it.
09:12Are you still taking drugs?
09:13He's done MCAT, MZMA, cocaine, sex...
09:16Will you do a drugs test during the break to prove that you're only on cannabis?
09:18I'll do a drugs test for every drug that's on the path on cannabis.
09:22So you're going to pass on everything he can?
09:24Because I'm going to go to a break, you're going to do that, and your mother...
09:27Here's something that's fantastic.
09:29Your mother is 39, she doesn't like this guy at all.
09:32You've got some pretty outrageous things to say about the mother, haven't you?
09:36What I have got to say about her?
09:37Well, apparently you've seen her in a porn movie, is that right?
09:39Yeah, I've had a couple.
09:41So we've got Lauren's mum who might not have been in a porn movie, the best mate who's
09:43coming out of there, and you're going to do a drugs test.
09:45Back in a minute, don't go anywhere.
09:46Go!
09:46Go!
09:47You told my team I've seen her in a porn movie.
09:49No.
09:50How do you feel about a man who's beaten your daughter up?
09:53I hate him.
09:54Why would you sleep with a man you slag off and you say beats you up and didn't care about
09:59your kid?
10:02You're the one who's going to come on this show yet to go through.
10:07I'm telling you, I don't want to have anything to do with this.
10:10Well, it's not your choice!
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10:51Hello, everyone.
10:51Welcome back for the break.
10:53Lauren and Andrew.
10:53Conflicting stories together.
10:55Five years.
10:56He got pregnant.
10:57You say he wanted an abortion.
10:58He didn't come with me.
10:59He was awful.
11:00He wished our daughter dead.
11:01I lost her in a stillbirth.
11:02The most traumatic moment of my life.
11:03We caught him in bed sleeping with a friend of mine.
11:05He was a cheat.
11:07He was violent.
11:07I'm glad he's gone, but he won't leave me alone.
11:10You say, look, I have done things wrong.
11:12I admit to beating her up, hitting her.
11:14I admit to wishing my daughter dead, but this woman's bad-mouthing me.
11:17Quite how you imagine anybody would not when you've done that.
11:19I've no idea.
11:19Your mother's next.
11:21You say she's quite famous.
11:22She's been in a porn movie.
11:23Is that right?
11:23Big Steve said to me earlier.
11:25He said he knew he'd seen her somewhere before.
11:28Vicky's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
11:30Give her a round of applause.
11:40Vicky, welcome to the show.
11:41What's going on?
11:42Come on.
11:43I wish I'd just let her get on with her life.
11:45Why is he not?
11:46How is he not?
11:47I've seen him sending text messages to her.
11:50I love you, Lauren.
11:51Despite everything that's happened, I still love you.
11:53I want you back.
11:55And she's asked him to leave her alone.
11:56No end of time.
11:57She doesn't want anything to do with him.
11:59And he's still harassing.
12:00Railway of his weekend.
12:01Telling my team that when your daughter was going through perhaps one of the worst things
12:04a woman can go through, which is a stillbirth, he broke into her house and burgled, nicked,
12:08I think.
12:08What did he take?
12:09My tablet.
12:10Pwned it.
12:11It cashed in.
12:12The day after I'd lost my daughter, I had to go in and pay it back.
12:15Is that true?
12:16Tell me.
12:16She all said I could.
12:17No, I did not.
12:18You did.
12:18You could burgle somebody's house.
12:20I was in hospital giving birth to my daughter and I didn't have my phone on me.
12:24How were you after then?
12:25I didn't.
12:26It was there.
12:26Oh, Vicky, help me.
12:27I've had enough of that.
12:29I want to hear from your mother.
12:30Tell me.
12:31I want to hear from your mother.
12:33Shut up.
12:34A week later.
12:35Speak.
12:35A week later, after Lauren had recovered, we went to her home to collect a few belongings
12:41and there on the side was the receipt slip from her home with the day after she'd lost
12:47the baby.
12:487th December.
12:49Let's go to the chase.
12:50You say Andrew has put my daughter through hell.
12:54He's a nasty, manipulative, violent freak.
12:56How do you feel about a man who's beaten your daughter up?
12:59I hate him.
13:00Come on, Vicky.
13:00Yeah, come on, Vicky.
13:02Your daughter's no angel.
13:05What's the house line?
13:06Just let him know this.
13:07Jeremy, what sort of mother is she?
13:08She is a very good mum.
13:10What state is the house in?
13:12Granted, it's not pristine like a show home.
13:14Dirty nappy, stashed in drawers?
13:16No, it isn't.
13:16Oh, you say he's called me a prostitute, but he's the dirty cheat.
13:21I've called you a what?
13:24When did I call you a prostitute?
13:25You were saying it to reason that.
13:28When did I turn around and call you a prostitute?
13:40Baby dead.
13:42How do you manage to...
13:43He turned around and said to me.
13:44Oi, be quiet.
13:45I want to hear from your mother who had so much to say and is sat there as meek as
13:48anything.
13:48He denied that he was the father.
13:52When did I deny that?
13:53Shut up a minute.
13:54You told her no end of times.
13:56So let me get this right.
13:57You cheated on her, you beat her up and you wished her baby dead and you expect that anybody
14:00with a brain cell is going to defend you, yeah?
14:02But there is apparently one person who's been shouting non-stop.
14:09Who is Rhys?
14:10He's my best friend.
14:11Well, and he knows all about this, does he?
14:12Rhys is on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
14:22You're a lie.
14:23Liar.
14:24Why are you even here?
14:25He's got nothing to do with you, you silly c***.
14:26He's seen everything.
14:27Yeah, I've seen everything.
14:28He's got nothing to do with you.
14:30He's got nothing to do with you.
14:31He's got nothing to do with you.
14:31He's got nothing to do with you.
14:32I've seen the state of both of you.
14:33Jeremy, I'm listening to your friend.
14:35Sit down.
14:36What's the truth here?
14:38Your friend's admitted to hitting her.
14:41Yeah, he has done, yeah.
14:42Why do you think that's okay?
14:44No, no.
14:44It's not okay.
14:45In front of you when he busts me, that was open and threw me into your bedside.
14:48You told my team.
14:49He's talking.
14:51Oi, shut up.
14:52You told my team.
14:53He was violent.
14:54Yes, she has.
14:55I've seen him grab his face, nipping his eyes and stuff like that.
14:59I can't say.
14:59But he wished the baby dead.
15:00He's got me pinned down by the neck.
15:02He wished the baby dead.
15:04I didn't wish...
15:04He cheated on her.
15:05He's admitted all of those things.
15:07Yeah, he meant...
15:08You're screaming and shouting.
15:09What's your defence?
15:10You haven't got one, have you?
15:11Yeah, I have.
15:11I'm his mate.
15:12Oh, so that's all right.
15:13You're happy to be mates with somebody who beats women.
15:15I wish his baby's dead and he's cheeked.
15:17It's not a woman beater, though.
15:18What?
15:19It's not a woman beater.
15:20It's not a woman beater, though, is it?
15:23If I put it this way, if I eat her properly, Jeremy, I'd vote her.
15:27Can you sit down?
15:28Because you're very interesting.
15:29You say about Vicky, which is probably why Vicky's being quite quiet.
15:32Lauren's an immature, dirty mare, but you can't be surprised because the mother's a disgrace.
15:37You said that she's tried it on with you?
15:39Yeah, before in the kitchen, yeah.
15:40Have you tried it on with him?
15:41No.
15:42Have you...
15:42Hold on a minute, hold on a minute, this is relevant.
15:46You told my team I've seen her in a porn movie.
15:49Yeah, I have.
15:49Hold on, I just thought, actually, she's 39.
15:52Listen, this guy just want to...
15:55Just...
15:58What?
16:00I have done adult movies, and I have done glamour modelling.
16:05I'm not ashamed of it.
16:08I've had six kids.
16:09So, at 39, you're a naked grandmother in a porn movie.
16:12Have you ever seen it?
16:14No.
16:14But I've seen her modelling photos.
16:16But, I mean, look at her.
16:16She's 40 this year.
16:17She's a mum with six kids.
16:18She's got three grandkids.
16:20I mean, I'm a woman fan.
16:25That's not ashamed of that.
16:26That's not ashamed of that, son.
16:29I'll tell you something, I won't like it.
16:31My mum's not getting fat.
16:33She's sitting here admitting who she is.
16:35If you haven't forgotten, you're the one who's admitted beating up a woman live on national television.
16:38To be honest, I'm honest.
16:39You've admitted cheating on a woman.
16:41She's lying about anything.
16:41But you've laid yourself down because you've said, and you've missed it, didn't you?
16:45You went, I'm still in love with her.
16:46It is you stalking her, isn't it?
16:48No, it isn't.
16:48Why was she wanting to be stalking her?
16:50He blocked me.
16:51He blocked me off everything yesterday.
16:53He blocked me off everything.
16:54All my Facebook, my Snapchat and everything.
16:56My number.
16:56He blocked me number and then he texted me.
16:58He unblocked me.
16:59He texted me again last night before we came here.
17:00But then, unfortunately, could you get your daughter to shut up a minute?
17:03Because you've scored a massive own goal as well, love, haven't you?
17:06Something your mother doesn't know about.
17:08What?
17:08You've been sleeping with him still, haven't you?
17:12Last night, last night, last night, last night, we've been here three weeks ago.
17:15No, I've been sleeping.
17:17I'm going to do this.
17:18Why would you sleep with a man you slag off and you say beats you up and didn't care about
17:23your kid?
17:23Thank you very much.
17:27Why would you?
17:28If I'm that bad, if I'm that bad, why are you on the other side of the street?
17:32You can't do it to me.
17:34You can't do it to me.
17:34It doesn't matter what you say, you lose every single bit of credence.
17:38You're still having it off with him and you're slagging him off.
17:41Thank you very much, people.
17:42You know what I'm worth dealing with, aren't you?
17:44Yeah.
17:44Both as bad as each other, aren't you?
17:46Yeah, we are, yeah.
17:47Exactly.
17:47Shouldn't be together.
17:48I agree.
17:49He's nothing, mate, but an arrogant, self-centred little...
17:55You accused him of being a drug taker.
18:00The drug test showed us he said it would that he was just on cannabis.
18:03Are you waiting or shutting up or what?
18:05The drugs test we just did apart from cannabis, which he admitted to, completely clear.
18:10Thank you very much.
18:11I'm not drunk at all.
18:18Let's do this real easy.
18:19You're still on cannabis.
18:22Still on cannabis is...
18:23You are as bad as her.
18:25If you think she's such a damn nightmare, why are you having sex with her?
18:28I guess I saw you were.
18:30Right, shut up.
18:31Go.
18:31Go.
18:34Thank you very much.
18:35Go.
18:36Um, let's write it down on a piece of paper.
18:41See, here's the thing, right?
18:44Can't be together, can't be apart, still having sex, slag each other off.
18:48Trauma of the daughter, accusations, violence, she shouldn't be together, should she?
18:51Do you understand that everything you've said is fine until we...
18:55What are you doing now?
18:56You're a ****.
18:57Well, it was.
19:07What did she say?
19:08You're a ****.
19:09Speak to me like ****.
19:10I've spoke to you right.
19:11Get up.
19:12No.
19:13Get out.
19:14You're a waste of time.
19:22Listen guys, the most important thing I wanna say to you, just without everybody else shouting
19:26and screaming.
19:28What happened was awful.
19:31What you went through, be it together or separately, was dreadful.
19:34I don't know whether both sides still have feelings or whether both sides blame each other,
19:40but where does this end?
19:41Essentially, at the end of the day, you carry on like this, somebody's gonna get into trouble,
19:45somebody's gonna do something that ultimately they regret.
19:48You do love her, don't you?
19:50I do, yeah.
19:50You love him?
19:51Then stop sleeping with him.
19:53Don't clap.
19:53You can't do that.
19:54I've finished on.
19:55It doesn't matter, but this was a long time ago.
19:59If you, in your own words, want to get your end away, the worst thing you can do is have
20:05your end away with a bloke that you've spent years abusing and accusing of some pretty horrible
20:10things.
20:12But I don't think you're being very honest, because love and hate are very close.
20:15Well, I think what it was is that I was scared.
20:18Obviously, so much has changed in the past year.
20:21Obviously, I've lost everything and that, and I was scared of being on my own.
20:24Tell him.
20:25Tell him.
20:25I was always scared of being on my own, and I was scared of change, and I need to move
20:29on.
20:29Talk to each other.
20:31Instead of shouting, talk to him.
20:32Look at him.
20:37Tell him what it felt like in the hospital when you were on your own.
20:45You know, this woman nearly died, you idiot.
20:47Yeah, I do, yeah.
20:48Where were you?
20:49Yeah.
20:50Where were you?
20:51I wasn't there.
20:53I didn't know.
20:55Why didn't you tell him?
20:57Why didn't you tell him?
20:59It was horrible.
21:01Why didn't you tell him so he could be there and support you?
21:04I did.
21:05When I went into labour and everything, I messaged him.
21:07I said, look, I've gone into labour.
21:09Can you please let Andrew know that I'm having a baby?
21:11Did she not tell you?
21:12I'd gone straight to the hospital and everything.
21:15As soon as I got to the hospital, I thought my waters had gone.
21:18When they removed all the blankets, it was blood.
21:22What you both went through, to separate degrees, was dredgeful, but you don't seem to...
21:28It's a bit like the couple that don't want to be together and they can't be apart.
21:31It's like you've got this pull on each other, but where does it end?
21:34Horrible recriminations, horrible accusations.
21:36It's not to end.
21:38It's a bad relationship.
21:39Can I just say, and listen, some people agree with this, some people won't.
21:45Sometimes, even if you love somebody, and sometimes even if you think that you've got everything in the whole goddamn
21:48world,
21:49essentially, chemically, that's not a very good description, but this is what I mean.
21:52Chemically, it doesn't work, and however difficult it is to walk away, actually, essentially, together, the components don't work.
21:57You don't work together, do you?
21:59I mean, we had everything.
22:00You better stop sleeping together.
22:02We had everything, Jeremy.
22:02I mean, I was going to work all the time, making a nice wage each week.
22:07You know, we had everything.
22:09My concern is that if you carry on like this, one of you is going to end up in prison,
22:12one of you is going to end up getting injured,
22:14one of you is going to end up doing something that you regret, and that's very, very sad.
22:17You have to be big enough.
22:18I don't know, you know, essentially, they talk about adults and everything.
22:20You have to grow up and you have to realise that at the end of the day, the only way
22:24you're going to deal with this
22:24is by shaking each other's hands, putting aside all the recriminations and going in your own way
22:30and not getting wound up by your friends and not...
22:33It's a begrudgingly rather admire her mother for coming out.
22:35She says, yes, I have done that, but people are throwing things, right?
22:39Do you want to be with him?
22:42Not anymore, no.
22:43Are you sure about that?
22:44It won't work.
22:45Are you sure about that?
22:47Then if that's the Kate and too much water has gone under the bridge,
22:50then you have to shake each other's hands and be decent and dignified
22:54and walk away and be adult about it.
22:56That's it. Nothing more.
22:58Can you do that?
22:59Do it.
23:01Do it.
23:03And mean it.
23:05Both of you.
23:05Because he's in love with you, mate.
23:07Look at his face.
23:08I adore him.
23:09Yes, we realise that.
23:11Look at him.
23:11I have treated like him past Jeremy, I have.
23:15But you've got to admit that you've treated me like him as well.
23:17You're not right together.
23:19No, we're not.
23:20Shake each other's hands, walk in the right direction,
23:22do it decently and mean it.
23:33For the people who criticise this show, I'd say only one thing.
23:35All of that, that goes on in the general public arena.
23:38They've done that today in a controlled environment.
23:40Let's hope, while the time they talk to Aftercare
23:42and we've done some work, that they can walk in opposite directions
23:44and get on with their lives.
23:45We'll let you know after the break on this stage.
23:46We've got a young woman desperate to meet her real father.
23:49We're right back.
23:50Don't go anywhere.
23:51How could you say that to my dad?
23:53Because of the way he is.
23:54He's kicked off every time he was on the show.
23:56Don't lie.
23:57Go away.
23:58Don't lie.
23:59Don't lie.
23:59Why don't you tell Destiny the truth?
24:01How do you turn around and hid the truth from her?
24:03You know what about me being a dad?
24:05Why don't you tell her the truth from her?
24:06How do I hide this crap, man?
24:10Hey, listen, listen.
24:11I never said that.
24:12She's not at you.
24:12I never said that at all.
24:13Why are you having done anything now?
24:22I never said that.
24:27Thank you very much indeed.
24:28Welcome back.
24:28My next guest today, Destiny, very, very nervous.
24:30I'm going to have a chat with her in the green room in just a tick.
24:32Now, she's 17.
24:33She only found out a few years ago that the man who raised her, in fact, is not her father.
24:37She says, worse still, really, the only information she has on her dad, Carlos,
24:42comes from seeing his appearances on the Jeremy Carr show.
24:44She says, I'm desperate to meet him.
24:46I've got a lot of questions.
24:47She is in here with her mum.
24:49Let's go and have a word with Destiny.
24:51How are you?
24:52Hey, I'm good.
24:53You all right?
24:53Yeah.
24:54You're nervous, mum, aren't you?
24:55Yeah.
24:56Graham here as well.
24:57Welcome to the show.
24:58A lot of people will remember this guy.
25:01I'm not going to lie to you.
25:02He's been on a couple of times.
25:04I'm just going to...
25:04Actually, let's just play a couple of the appearances, a couple of clips of when Carlos, your dad,
25:11allegedly, has been on the Jeremy Carr show.
25:13Take a look at this.
25:17What a lie!
25:18What a lie!
25:18What a lie!
25:19What a lie!
25:19What a lie!
25:20What a lie!
25:20What a lie!
25:22Do you not know better than that by now?
25:25Apologise.
25:25We don't do that now.
25:27Well, I'm apologising for nothing with them lawyers.
25:30Stop running out being aggressive.
25:32What have you done?
25:33Well, tell them to stop lying then.
25:35Was it a party?
25:35I said I don't know because I had an alcoholic drink at the time.
25:38But the thing is, she's trying to say...
25:40Hold on, so you got like a drink and you don't know whether you're...
25:43I had too many and I've got epilepsy as it is.
25:46And if I've had a fear of something, she's too...
25:48So you might have had sex with her?
25:50I don't know!
25:50That's what they're saying to her!
25:54Question.
25:5517 years of age, which is why we started here in the green room.
25:58Mm-hm.
25:58What age do you find out that the guy you believed was your father is not your father?
26:01I was 14.
26:03What was that like?
26:04Er, I was gutted.
26:05But at the same time, I said to my mum, he's never been there.
26:09And the dad that's here with me now...
26:11Kat, I know you're nervous, I know you're finding this difficult,
26:14but you know also this is about one person and one person only today, which is destiny.
26:17Why did you lie to her until she was 14?
26:19I didn't plan on lying to her.
26:21It was just that we sort of got all the children as well and...
26:24It's difficult to determine an age, isn't it?
26:26Yeah.
26:2711 to 11, 14.
26:28We did plan on telling her.
26:29Carlos is your dad, we know that for a fact.
26:31Erm, what...
26:33At 14, you're told that this guy's not your father and did you tell her Carlos was?
26:38Erm, yeah, when she was 14.
26:41And had you had any contact with Carlos?
26:42What was the story?
26:43Why was he not around?
26:44He had contact with her from when she was about eight months old.
26:47He took me to court and they granted him contact every two weeks.
26:51Did he do that?
26:52Did he see it through?
26:52He did at first and then the contact moved to my mum's house.
26:56And just before she turned two, he just rang me up out of the blue and said he'd come
27:00and see her twice a year, once for her birthday.
27:03Twice a year?
27:03Yeah, once for her birthday and once for Christmas.
27:05That's impressively not, isn't it?
27:07Never heard of him again.
27:08He says you moved away and made it difficult.
27:10You're quite switched on.
27:11I know you're nervous.
27:12You say, erm, I was shocked and gutted but I did what I could.
27:17Did you see Carlos at 14 or have you not seen him at all?
27:19No, I've never seen him, only on the show.
27:22What was that like?
27:23I mean, listen, we do this every single day, but to tune in and see somebody that you know
27:27is your biological father behaving as he's behaved, what's that like?
27:30Er, it's actually, it reminds me of pathetic behaviour that you'd never see from me.
27:37How could you say that's my dad?
27:40Because the way he is, he's kicked off every time he was on the show.
27:43Do you want him in your life?
27:44At the moment I'm not sure.
27:46That's why I want the answers first, before I can decide.
27:49It'd be really interesting actually, Kat, because you say he didn't take the pregnancy seriously,
27:54he bragged about getting girls pregnant, that he was around, that he wasn't around,
27:57you've seen him out here on a couple of occasions giving it large.
28:01I pretty much suspect that he'll be walking out with his head on the floor saying,
28:05she didn't let me see the kid, I want to be a great father.
28:08But the fact is, has he done enough? That's the question.
28:11No, because he says I moved, which I did, but he never had my address.
28:14He only ever had my mum's address and she never moved.
28:17We're going to leave you two here.
28:18I'm going to go and speak to your nan and Carlos and then I'll bring you guys out.
28:22You've got to ask those questions.
28:24I know it's very difficult because it's a television show and all that
28:26and Graham will do all his work after, but you've got to have those moments.
28:29But, you know, the fact remains, whatever happened between him and your mum,
28:34he ain't been there, has he?
28:36He's made enough effort to come on this show a couple of times.
28:38Are you all right for the moment?
28:39Yeah.
28:39You okay? Give him a round of applause.
28:40Going to get the gran out, I think, now.
28:45I think it's really easy, isn't it?
28:48You know, you watch a show like this and you think,
28:50oh, you know, she was quite quiet, 17 years of age,
28:52about to meet the guy who allegedly is a duh father.
28:55The gran, though, this is really interesting for me.
28:57This woman definitely has got a gob on her.
28:59This is her nan, Shariza, 59.
29:02She's coming that way.
29:03Give her a round of applause.
29:10Come on.
29:14You're far less subtle, aren't you, than your daughter and your granddaughter.
29:17Yeah, I am.
29:17You say he's one of those people who makes excuses, though.
29:21Yeah, he does, all the time.
29:22I don't like him at all.
29:23I mean, he doesn't deserve to see my granddaughter.
29:27He used to come at my house from the age when she was six months
29:32until she was 16 months.
29:36You say he's missed out on so much, she's an amazing girl.
29:39Yeah, he has.
29:39He doesn't know about her.
29:40This is another chance for him to get five minutes of fame.
29:43Carlos is back on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
29:50I'm not lying.
29:51What are you lying for?
29:52Why am I lying?
29:53What am I lying about?
29:54Why?
29:54There's not once I have made up an excuse.
29:57There's not once.
29:57You didn't even want to, sir.
29:59You're a lawyer.
30:00You're a lawyer there.
30:01Yeah, am I lying?
30:02How many times have I gone to court?
30:03Have you ever been there?
30:04Don't.
30:05Have you ever been there?
30:06I was there all the time with my daughter and my granddaughter.
30:09Have you ever been there?
30:09Have you ever been there?
30:09And what did you want to do?
30:10Why is it that the two sisters had to make a so many step in the courtroom?
30:12And go off with your wife or whatever it was you in?
30:15Don't lie.
30:16Go away.
30:17Don't lie.
30:18Why did you tell Destiny the truth?
30:20How did you turn around and hid the truth from her?
30:22You are.
30:22About me being her dad.
30:23Why did you tell her the truth about that?
30:25How did I hide it from her?
30:28You're the one.
30:29You just want to come on this show yet again.
30:32After her uncle and her auntie is dying and everything else.
30:34I don't want her to have anything to do with you.
30:36Well, it's not your choice.
30:38Pity.
30:38Why make choices for my daughter?
30:40He said.
30:41Why didn't they tell her until she was 14 that he was a dad?
30:45I don't know.
30:46Why didn't you, when she was two, when she went away, when that woman lived in the same house,
30:50why didn't you do more?
30:51No, seriously.
30:52Why didn't you do more?
30:52She thought they had moved.
30:54No, she hadn't.
30:54So why didn't you go around there?
30:55Why didn't you do more?
30:56They had moved.
30:57Carlos, I saw you at work.
30:59When?
31:01Er, by the dome.
31:03Not the dome.
31:04It's the O2 now.
31:05Academy.
31:06I worked there and you walked past and I come outside and I was talking to you and I told
31:11you then.
31:12I don't remember that conversation.
31:13No, of course you don't.
31:14I don't remember that conversation.
31:16Where have you been?
31:16Where?
31:17Forget me a minute.
31:18Where have you been for 13 years?
31:20I went to court.
31:21What about the last 13 years?
31:22I've been to court for most of the time.
31:24You took my daughter.
31:25When I went to court, they could not find them.
31:29She was in the same house.
31:30No, I asked them for the same address.
31:33I asked them to send a letter to the same address.
31:34Could you have done more, Carlos?
31:35Yes, I could have done more.
31:36So why are you having a girl up?
31:38I have never disputed that.
31:40Yeah, all right.
31:40Why?
31:41Why do you think I come here?
31:42Hold on a sec.
31:43Has he done enough, Kat?
31:44Why lie about my daughter, Kat?
31:47Why don't you lie about...
31:49Why don't you lie about...
31:49Why don't you lie about...
31:50Making me look bad in front of the stage.
31:52I'll tell you what.
31:53Kat and Destiny, get out of here.
31:54Get me another cheque.
31:55Get me another cheque.
32:00I'm not.
32:01You're making me out to be a big bad daddy.
32:04I'm not.
32:05I'm not.
32:06I'm making you out to be a useless, Stan, who could have done more.
32:10Your mother doesn't want to come out, man.
32:12Destiny, this is how much I have thought of you, right?
32:15No.
32:16I have never once ignored you.
32:18I have never not once doubted you're my daughter, right?
32:21Never once, right?
32:23I'll tell you something.
32:24I have looked for you.
32:26I have fought hard and long.
32:28I have done a lot of things to find you.
32:30All I want...
32:30Let her speak, Carlos.
32:32I'll let her speak.
32:32Give me a second.
32:34Right?
32:34When you found out I was your dad, right, tell me why you were never told.
32:40Why?
32:41Because what's...
32:42I was about to ask you that before you started shouting.
32:45You tell me the ideal age to tell a kid.
32:48Why?
32:48Why is the ideal age, Carlos?
32:51Right?
32:51I've forgotten about you, have I?
32:53You know, all these years...
32:54Do you know why Kat's not coming out?
32:56The only picture you've got out of, eh?
32:57Sit down, because you know why Kat's not coming out.
32:59That's your brother.
32:59Not listening at all.
33:00No, I'm not listening because this is...
33:02She's too scared of you.
33:03They're making me...
33:03It's not about...
33:04No, they're not.
33:05You nearly fell over then.
33:06It's not about you.
33:07Sit down.
33:08It's about this kid talking to you.
33:10Sit down.
33:10Now you have to speak out loud.
33:13You need to stand up.
33:17Well, when I found out about you, Carlos, I never knew about you, obviously.
33:23But...
33:23But do you understand what I'm trying to say?
33:24Let her speak, Carlos.
33:26But you'd never been there.
33:28And like everybody's said, Nan has never moved.
33:31And you could...
33:32No, but you're slagging me off, though.
33:33Behind my back.
33:34Without me...
33:35They're slagging me off.
33:35Now's your chance, and you're jumping in.
33:37They're slagging me off.
33:38They've never slagged me off.
33:39Carlos, now's your chance to listen.
33:41They've never said anything bad about you, ever.
33:44They just says, I'd be better off without you.
33:47But do you really believe that in your own mind?
33:50Why would she be here today, Carlos?
33:52You need to put it in the past.
33:53Are you going to mess it up?
33:54Listen to her.
33:55This is what I'm trying to say.
33:55I want to put it in the past.
33:56Then listen to her.
33:57I was gutted in that.
33:58But I still say the dad that I've got now is still my dad.
34:01Which I have not have disputed, have I?
34:03I've not stood there and gone, you know, no.
34:06You could have done more, though, couldn't you?
34:07I have done a lot.
34:08Believe you what I mean, Jeremy.
34:10You're judging me and saying I didn't do enough.
34:13I'm asking you in terms of your daughter.
34:14Could you have done more?
34:15I said I couldn't do more, more, more.
34:17But I'm saying I have done a lot, which Destiny doesn't know about.
34:22This is what I'm trying to say.
34:23What have you done, then?
34:23Why don't you tell her what you've done?
34:24Right.
34:25I went looking for you many a times.
34:27I didn't know whether your nan was still in the same spot.
34:29Why didn't you knock on the nan's front door, then?
34:31Because, to be honest with you, if I had knocked on the door
34:33and some stranger had have answered, yeah, I would have, you know,
34:37been gutted because I've been back at stage one.
34:38Hold on a second.
34:39You don't have to leave there like what I'm saying
34:41and you're going to talk all over.
34:42If you were that keen to see your daughter, hear me out.
34:45You'd have knocked on the door, hear me out.
34:47A stranger would have opened.
34:49You'd have said, does she still live here?
34:50They'd have said no.
34:52You would have said, do you have a new address?
34:53And they might have said, get lost.
34:55You'd have been gutted.
34:56I'd have been more gutted.
34:57I wasn't seeing my daughter.
34:59That's what I was doing.
35:00No, but you were trying to make me out of being a bad dad.
35:02You haven't done enough, have you?
35:04You were trying to say that I haven't done...
35:06Have you done enough?
35:06You haven't.
35:06I have done a lot more for my kids than people realise.
35:09Have you done...
35:09I found out about you when we had that contact.
35:11It seemed like you didn't care.
35:13It was like you wasn't bothered.
35:14I did care.
35:15Who do you blame for all of this?
35:16Cat?
35:17No.
35:17I don't blame her any of you.
35:18Let's get her mum out.
35:19I have never blamed Cat.
35:20You know what?
35:21I applaud her that she's looked after you so long.
35:24Let's get Cat on the Jeremy Kyle show.
35:25Give her a round of applause.
35:25Little voice have I slagged her up.
35:27Little voice.
35:34I just want to justify myself.
35:36You don't want to come out, no?
35:36That's all.
35:37Just tell the truth.
35:38Can I just say something to you?
35:39You love your kid?
35:40It's a big moment for her.
35:40Come and sit next to you.
35:42You don't have to...
35:43I'll sit...
35:44I'll sit next to you.
35:45She needs you.
35:47He's not slagging you and he's not slagging her.
35:49I know it's difficult, right?
35:51But this is important for your daughter.
35:53Come and do it with your daughter.
35:55Come on, with me.
35:55Come on.
35:55I'll look after you.
35:56I promise you.
36:10Why was that difficult, Cat?
36:12Tell me.
36:12Talk to me.
36:14He wants to be a dad too and yet he comes out yelling at a nan.
36:18But a nan...
36:19A nan lied.
36:19This is supposed to be about her.
36:21This is you saying...
36:21A nan lied.
36:22You bring her here, all the way here, in front of all these people.
36:26When you had opportunities twice, you're the one that walks away.
36:30Cat.
36:30Cat.
36:30No, you're the one that walks away.
36:31I didn't walk away.
36:32Yes, you did.
36:33Can you accept that destiny?
36:34I don't know.
36:35At the moment.
36:36You know, at the end of the day, I'm not angry with your nan.
36:38I'm not angry with your mum.
36:40I'm not angry with anyone.
36:41All I want to do is give you my explanation.
36:44You can decide what you do with it.
36:46Do you two want to get to know each other?
36:47I would love to get to know you.
36:49I want to know the truth first.
36:50But that's fine.
36:51Why did you stop contact?
36:52Why did I stop contact?
36:53What did you say?
36:55In the time in question, your uncle and auntie had died.
36:59We'd ripped into that and my heart was ripped out.
37:02And at that time, I weren't even physically or focussely, you know, able to concentrate on anything.
37:10So he's made mistakes, but he's here because he wants to try away.
37:14No disrespect to mum and nan, and this is what Graham and his team do.
37:17I think the best thing to do, away from the cameras, is for you two to sit down and see
37:20if you can find some common ground.
37:21Can I just say, there will be questions that you can't answer and answers that you don't get.
37:25There will be things that you don't like that said that you'll get reactions that you don't want.
37:28But essentially, at the end of the day, if we can bring you together and see if there's any common
37:31ground, then so be it.
37:33Don't take us the wrong way.
37:34It's not about you.
37:35It's about her today.
37:36And rather than think, you know, the family poisoned her against me.
37:40She's here.
37:41They're going to take a step back.
37:43You and your daughter have a chance to see if you can find some common ground.
37:47And for me, Carlos, right, if that's possible and we achieve something great, if not,
37:50has anybody lost anything by coming today?
37:52No.
37:53So give it a go.
37:54That's what I'm saying.
37:55Yes?
37:55We'll ask the three of you to go that way.
37:57In fact, you two go that way.
37:58You go that way with your dad and have a chat with Graham.
38:00All right?
38:00Is that okay, Carlos?
38:01Take your daughter.
38:02You two go that way.
38:03All right?
38:04Thank you very much indeed.
38:07Okay?
38:10You never know.
38:10Look, at the end of the day, the detractors would say, well, that's not going to work.
38:13I'm going to say the other.
38:14I'm going to say that we're going to give them a chance to get together, see if we can find
38:17some common ground.
38:17Graham will let you know.
38:18And after the break on this stage, watch the audience go nuts.
38:20We've got a lie detector next and right back.
38:24Secret messages.
38:25Secret phone calls.
38:25Oh, you think you're having a go at her?
38:28Control me.
38:28If that's how you feel that we're in...
38:32Well, I do, all right?
38:33I'll tell you something else as well.
38:35The reason you won't do the test is because you've probably done what you did two years ago,
38:39which is why you spend your time.
38:42I've got nothing to prove to anybody.
38:44I've cheated again.
38:55It's the UK's most controversial talk show.
38:59We've been waiting a year and a half for this.
39:01I cannot wait.
39:02An internet sensation.
39:15Thank you, Jeremy.
39:16Raw emotion.
39:17Is my daughter having an affair with my husband?
39:21I have never seen anything like that in my life.
39:24Explosive results.
39:26No, she's there on the other side of the door.
39:27I'll sit with his best friend, do you hear?
39:29Oh, oh, oh, oh.
39:30Hey, Tom, take him.
39:32Absolutely outrageous.
39:34Life-changing moments.
39:36I don't want you on this show, so why don't you do one then?
39:41Gonna have a jammy, Dodger.
39:42All at 9.25.
39:44Why don't you just call me? Stand up.
39:45Get off the stage.
39:46I think this lady found out James is now living as a woman.
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40:36Thank you very much and welcome back.
40:37Now you might remember my next guest from a previous show.
40:39Take a look at this.
40:42Whilst Dean was in prison, did you have sexual contact with anyone else?
40:46She said no, because your perfect girlfriend was telling the truth.
40:54And whilst Dean was in prison, did you ever have sexual intercourse with anyone else?
40:58She said no.
40:59To the man that walked into your cell was a BS merchant
41:02because she was telling the truth throughout the whole test.
41:05At the beginning of the test, Dean admitted that he cheated on Natasha once
41:09after he was released from prison.
41:11He told us Natasha was not aware of that.
41:16We then changed every single question.
41:19Since the start of your relationship with Natasha,
41:22apart from the one person you submitted to,
41:23have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
41:25She said no.
41:25You were lying on this.
41:28Did you lie on every single question?
41:31Every single question, darling.
41:34It's not about me, Dean, it's about you two.
41:37Come and talk to me, please.
41:39Is it when you've been drunk, Dean?
41:41And you probably don't know.
41:42I know you've been drunk.
41:44Probably.
41:46Well, Tasha's back today.
41:48She says she's too scared to even sleep with the current partner.
41:50She's terrified he's cheated again and might have an STI.
41:53She says now he's refused to take a lie detector test
41:56and frankly, she doesn't know what to think.
41:58I'm not surprised Tasha's back on the show that way.
42:10What's the matter with you?
42:12Let's get this absolutely straight.
42:14I know you love him.
42:16Been with him for five years.
42:17Dino.
42:19He came on the last show and he failed, didn't he?
42:21Yes, he did.
42:22He failed the lie detector a couple of years ago
42:23and he said the test was a pile of rubbish
42:26and then he admitted that, in fact, he was a cheat
42:27and the test was right.
42:28Yes, he did.
42:29Why are we back here today?
42:31It's brilliant, this is.
42:31There's a lot of people that are causing trouble between us.
42:34But you passed last time and he failed.
42:36Now you're back again.
42:37There are people what?
42:38Stirring it up, saying what?
42:39Saying I'm going to be more vindictive like to cheat on Dino
42:42even though he's cheated on me.
42:43Well, the truth of the matter is Dino got caught with his trousers down
42:46and spent two years mithering your backside
42:48because he thinks that out of revenge
42:50you're going to do to him what he did to you.
42:52Yeah.
42:52So you've come to do a lie detector test.
42:54Frankly, why you should have to prove yourself to that?
42:56I have no idea, but you love him and that's it.
42:58I do.
42:58But here's the best bit.
43:00You don't trust him.
43:01You won't have it off with him
43:02because you think he might have caught the clap.
43:04So why are we bothering?
43:05I need to prove it.
43:07At the end of the day, I...
43:08Why do you need to...
43:09I love him to bits and I've got something...
43:11Well, he doesn't love you enough to do a lie detector, does he?
43:14I'm not going to force him. I can't.
43:16Listen.
43:17See here.
43:18I know.
43:19We want independent woman, not doormats.
43:21Dean's back on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
43:29What?
43:30He's serious of being serious?
43:31I beg your pardon?
43:33I love you.
43:33You know nothing.
43:34Yeah, I love you too and you know that.
43:35Well, why don't you do the lie detector test then?
43:36Why should I have to?
43:38Because you cheated.
43:38Oh, by the way, you know two years ago you said it was a pile of rubbish.
43:41It was right, wasn't it?
43:42So what?
43:43So you were lying.
43:44I never disputed that, did I?
43:46It was only once that you slept with that one, that you stopped it, didn't you?
43:49So you admitted afterwards...
43:50So why haven't you told me any of this before, Tasha?
43:52You told me that.
43:53No, you told me...
43:54Why haven't you said any of this, what you've just said no before to me?
43:58Because she's scared of you.
44:00Of what?
44:01That you're a liar.
44:02I've never hit you.
44:03I've never done anything to you.
44:04No, no, no.
44:04Nothing like that, Dean.
44:05I'm just scared that, you know, you've done it again.
44:07So why can't you talk to me?
44:08Why are you playing games all the time?
44:10I'm not playing games, Dean.
44:12Secret messages.
44:14Secret phone calls.
44:15Oh, you think you're having a go at her because you think she's cheated on you?
44:19I'm not having a go at her.
44:20You just said secret messages.
44:22I'm just saying facts.
44:22Tell me about the secret messages.
44:24I'm just saying facts.
44:25So in the last two years since you did the test, where are you going now?
44:29I'm going, because if that's the way you feel...
44:33This is classic, this is.
44:35Dean, it's not.
44:36Dean, it's not.
44:36I love you, Dean.
44:37Dean, come back.
44:38Control me.
44:38If that's how you feel that we're involved...
44:43Well, I do, all right?
44:44And I'll tell you something else as well.
44:46The reason you won't do the test is because you've probably done what you did two years ago,
44:50which is why you spend your time worrying about her.
44:53I've got nothing to prove to anybody.
44:55Oh, so you have cheated again.
44:56No, I haven't.
44:57Yeah, do one, mate, because she could do more with this box of tissues than with you.
45:01Come with me.
45:02Come here.
45:03Come here.
45:04Why wouldn't you do...
45:05Give me the envelope.
45:06Where's the envelope?
45:07Dean, please, don't.
45:08Please, why?
45:09You just accused me.
45:10Not on TV.
45:11I'm saying that I've done something to you and I haven't even done it.
45:14I haven't done that.
45:15I haven't said that at all.
45:15Dean, listen, listen.
45:16I never said that.
45:17I never said that at all.
45:19Listen.
45:19Because you've cheated on her before.
45:21I haven't done anything to her.
45:22You've cheated on her before.
45:24Dean.
45:25I know you haven't done anything to her.
45:26Dean.
45:26Guess what?
45:27She passed every single question.
45:28Listen, they're not you.
45:29Yeah.
45:32I'm asking you.
45:33No, no, no.
45:33Stop calling to him.
45:34Answer me this.
45:35Stop looking at her.
45:36Look at me.
45:37Did you two years ago fail the test?
45:39Yes, I did.
45:40Stop there.
45:40And you admitted that.
45:41Be quiet.
45:42Stop defending him.
45:44So what?
45:45Did you...
45:46So in the last two years, you've started thinking that she's doing the dirty on you.
45:50Yes or no?
45:51Happy anniversary.
45:52Yeah, I know.
45:55You should be on your hands and knees if she passed.
45:57I haven't done anything.
45:58Do you know what?
45:59Well then why wouldn't you do a test and prove it?
46:01Because I haven't got nothing to prove to anybody.
46:03Do you know what?
46:04I'm going to say, and I don't think it's going to go down very well.
46:06I'm going to tell you this, right?
46:07I know you love him, but he plays you like a good one.
46:10She wanted you to prove that the rumours were rubbish.
46:14Because two years ago they were right.
46:15Oh, I don't care what you think.
46:16So why?
46:17No, well if you don't care what anybody says, you should have cared enough about her to have done this.
46:22I don't care about her.
46:23Then why wouldn't you do the test?
46:25I don't care about her.
46:26I don't have to do the test.
46:27Go and do the test.
46:27Go and do the test.
46:27But you don't want me to do the test.
46:29Ask her.
46:30Did you want me to do the test?
46:31No, you didn't.
46:32If you didn't want to do it, I'm not going to force you to do something you don't want to
46:35do.
46:36Well, then I'm going to say this, because you're a nice lady.
46:38In life, we get treated the way we allow people to treat us.
46:42And this guy here controls you and lies to you.
46:45And unless you put your foot down, it's not going to get any better.
46:48You know that.
46:48You failed last time.
46:49So what?
46:50So what?
46:51You know exactly what she's going to do, because she's a doormat.
46:53I hope she wakes up and does one with you, because you're worth a lot more than anything.
46:57Seriously, give me a favour.
47:01Classic.
47:05She's not going to ask him because she loves him that much.
47:08How many people in this audience?
47:09Put a camera on this audience.
47:10How many people in this audience think that he didn't do that lie detector test because he's a cheat?
47:14Yes.
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