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00:00On today's show, so Dee's your ex, she's now with Lee.
00:03Yeah.
00:04Dee and Lee.
00:04Yeah.
00:05Who are you with, Rory?
00:06Michelle.
00:06Michelle.
00:09That DNA is going to prove that he is the father.
00:11She's disgusting.
00:13After that, you need to accept the father got us in his daughter.
00:16Do you have a job?
00:18Do you have a job?
00:20Benefit money pays for it, which I'm paying for, which he's paying for.
00:27Where are you going?
00:28I send you pictures of our daughter.
00:30It costs more than £20,000 for the rights.
00:34Do you have any relationship with Sam?
00:36Did you have sexual intercourse with anyone else?
00:38He said no.
00:42APPLAUSE
00:59Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:01Now, our first guest today, Rory, is desperate for the truth.
01:03As he says, he's unsure if he is indeed the father to ex-D's baby.
01:08Because, according to Rory, Dee was a cheat who sent nude photos of herself to other men.
01:15Rory says, he's not been given a chance to build a relationship with Dee's daughter.
01:19Because her current partner, Lee, that's Lee and Dee, have pushed him out.
01:23And has even had a cheat to ask Rory, this is Lee, if he can adopt what could potentially be
01:28his child.
01:29Rory says, he's sick of the doubts and has wondered if Lee and Dee were at it behind his back.
01:35Because Lee told him there was a chance it could be Lee's baby.
01:38So, are Dee and Lee the parents, or are Dee and Rory?
01:42I've got no idea.
01:43Rory says, he's confused.
01:44I'm completely confused.
01:46He says, whatever, I'm not going to be pushed out.
01:48I want proof.
01:49It's a big day.
01:50He's not with Dee, Dee's with Lee.
01:51Rory's with somebody else.
01:52Rory's on the Jeremy Carls show that way.
01:55APPLAUSE
02:04How are you?
02:05Nice.
02:05Good.
02:06Nice.
02:06Good.
02:06You all right?
02:07Yeah.
02:07Welcome to the show.
02:08So, Dee's your ex.
02:10She's now with Lee.
02:11Yeah.
02:11Dee and Lee.
02:12Yeah.
02:12Who are you with, Rory?
02:14Michelle.
02:14Michelle.
02:15Yeah.
02:15That doesn't rhyme.
02:16No.
02:17Now, let's just talk about how long you were with Dee.
02:20I know you're nervous.
02:20I know it's a big day.
02:21How did you meet her?
02:22I met her through work.
02:24We used to work together at Poundland.
02:29Brilliant.
02:30Somebody once said to me, how much does stuff cost in Poundland?
02:34Didn't you, Steve?
02:37We met at Poundland.
02:38So, we met at work.
02:40How long had you been together when she'd got pregnant?
02:44Well, from start to finish, we were together about six, seven months.
02:46It's quite long on the Jeremy Carls show.
02:48Apparently, she sent...
02:49Apparently, just bear that in mind.
02:51Apparently, she sent naked pictures to four lads.
02:53Yeah, three or four different lads.
02:57What sort of pictures?
02:59Breasts and fully nude.
03:01Literally, on your bed we were sharing.
03:03On your bed?
03:04Yeah, that we used to share together.
03:06What, like, fully nude?
03:07Yeah.
03:08What, provocative?
03:08Like posing on the bed, you know, like that.
03:12I've often thought, Mr. May.
03:17So, she sent a lot of pictures of herself naked to lads.
03:20How did you find that out?
03:21I went through her phone.
03:22Why would you go through her phone?
03:23Because I just had this funny feeling that she was doing naughty though.
03:26Then, very quickly, you finished with her because you said this isn't...
03:30Hang on.
03:31Who are you?
03:32I'm Deanna's partner.
03:33Did you ever get a picture from her?
03:35No, never.
03:36Why are you out here now?
03:37Sorry, I don't have anything against you, but why are you out here?
03:39Why?
03:40Because I'm standing up for my partner.
03:41Yeah, but listen, I don't mean to be rude.
03:42It's called the Jeremy Carl Show.
03:43When I want you to come out, I'll ask you.
03:44Go away instantly.
03:45Thank you very much.
03:49Right, so, um, she gets with him quite quickly.
03:52That's Lee, who's now with Dee.
03:53Yeah.
03:54He then takes her on, a pregnant woman.
03:56He's at the birth.
03:58You say that Dee, at one point, told you that Lee could be the dad.
04:01How would that be the case?
04:03Yeah, she, uh...
04:03Why am I doing a DNA?
04:05There's no point, is there?
04:07Well, there isn't, because when we were together, she was pregnant, and then, obviously, when
04:11we split up, that was then a few months down the line that she, well, a couple of weeks
04:15ago, she messaged me on Facebook, saying, I would like a DNA test, because I think Lee
04:20could be the dad, so I asked her...
04:21Which meant that she'd been sleeping with Lee behind your back.
04:24Well, I thought so, but then, obviously, once I explained to her that, no, you was already
04:28pregnant when we finished, therefore you can't be the dad unless you cheated on me.
04:32Well, that would be true.
04:33You were told, or you weren't told, that Dee was in labour.
04:35You were...
04:36I wasn't allowed at the birth.
04:38She'd rather have him there rather than me.
04:40He cut the cur...
04:41He cut the cur...
04:41All right, well, shut up!
04:43Shut up!
04:43Lose the picture, Matt.
04:45He's a ginger-spotted little idiot.
04:50He's a little boy, and he needs to stop thinking he's such a hard man.
04:54Yeah.
04:55I want to know the truth, and if the kid's mine, I am having a say.
05:01Really?
05:02You're in a new relationship.
05:03Who are you with?
05:04I'm with Michelle, my wife.
05:05You're married?
05:06Yeah.
05:07How long did that take?
05:08We got married in June this year.
05:10I was with a...
05:12I'd like to point out, I'd like to point out, this is absolutely nothing to do with me, this comment.
05:17I was with a Nissan Micra, now I drive a Ferrari.
05:21LAUGHTER
05:23APPLAUSE
05:28That's my turbo power, that is.
05:30Sorry?
05:31That's my turbo power, that is.
05:33LAUGHTER
05:35Let's, let's, could I do this?
05:37I'm just going to ask if I can.
05:39So, you described D, who dresses like a chav gone wrong, you described...
05:45Now, that, that's, thanks for me allowing to do this, Matt, that's great.
05:49So, that's, that's the one that you say is a Nissan Micra, and you've upgraded to a Ferrari.
05:55LAUGHTER
05:57Right, but coming next is Lee, who's there with D, he might be the father, he might not.
06:02He is apparently a ginger little idiot who acts like a big man when he's nothing but a boy.
06:07LAUGHTER
06:07Lee's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
06:13APPLAUSE
06:13LAUGHTER
06:15LAUGHTER
06:15LAUGHTER
06:15He's not even paid £10, £20.
06:17Sit down, Lee.
06:18Sit down, mate.
06:19You think you're all it when you're not.
06:21Really?
06:21You're playing golf with my daughter.
06:22You might not even be hers, mate.
06:24Do you work?
06:25I know I'm not a dad.
06:26I know I'm a dad.
06:26No, I'm not, but who pays for my child?
06:28Do you have a job?
06:29Who pays for your child?
06:30Who pays for your child?
06:31Benefit money pays for it, which I'm paying for, which he's paying for.
06:34Benefit money.
06:34Benefit money.
06:34Benefit money.
06:34You're sitting on your backside, doing f***ing, mate.
06:37You're a f***ing, mate.
06:40Who's up with her all night?
06:42Not you.
06:43It doesn't matter, mate.
06:43It doesn't matter if you're up all night with her.
06:45Really?
06:45Point is, you're a couch potato.
06:47Really?
06:47You don't work, mate.
06:48Sorry, I can't go out to work.
06:50Yeah, you can.
06:50Why is that?
06:51Why can't you work?
06:52I'm on benefit.
06:53Once?
06:54Hold on a minute.
06:55That's the difference.
06:56Why can't you go to work?
06:57I'm on disability.
06:58Right.
06:58I've got juvenile arthritis.
07:01Right.
07:02Every time I lift something, right.
07:04If I lift something too heavy, yeah, or push something too heavy, I'm in bed.
07:10I can't move.
07:10Right, sorry.
07:11Can you stop?
07:11There's people in wheelchairs that go out at work still.
07:14There's people with no arms and no legs, they still go out at work.
07:20I want to.
07:21Go then.
07:22What?
07:23Yeah, it's cool.
07:23It is fair to say you could in fact sit down behind a computer.
07:26Do you want to sit down?
07:28Really?
07:29Sit down.
07:31Here's the bit I don't understand and I take into consideration that you've been there
07:36for her and the baby.
07:37You met her when she was how far gone?
07:39Six months.
07:40Well, I do apologise to everybody in the room and at home.
07:43How the bloody hell can you be the father then?
07:46Why are we doing a DNA tape?
07:48Because he was the one who actually messaged.
07:50He says that she told him.
07:51He was the one who messaged Deanna saying, right, that he thinks that she was sleeping
07:57with me and I'm the biological father.
07:59No.
07:59I didn't even know her at the time.
08:01I've got the messages to prove it.
08:02How did you meet?
08:03In the gym?
08:04No.
08:04I met her at a training course.
08:07Shut up!
08:09Right, so in your mind he knows he's the father and this bloke hasn't stepped up.
08:15Yeah, he hasn't stepped up at all.
08:16You only paid £20.
08:17You give a big soliloquy about, hold on a minute, big soliloquy about how Lee hasn't
08:22worked, but he has been there.
08:24You said and I quote, doesn't matter if you've been up with my daughter all night.
08:27Yes, it does.
08:28Why haven't you been there doing that?
08:30And why have you only, if you do have money, why have you only given 20 quid?
08:35How much have you given them?
08:38Where's the money?
08:38How much have you given her?
08:39Altogether, I've probably paid £60.
08:42So it's the child, fiscal brain.
08:45How old is it?
08:46About five, six months old.
08:47Well, do you think that's enough?
08:49No, but I don't see the child.
08:51She don't let me.
08:52That's what I'm saying.
08:52We've called you.
08:54We've called you.
08:54We've called you.
08:55Right?
08:55I've called you personally and said, look, come round to the house, right?
09:00Come and see her.
09:01Right?
09:01You're the one who don't answer your phone.
09:03I'm not being supervised, mate.
09:03We call you.
09:04I'm not being supervised by you.
09:05Do you love your daughter?
09:06Is this just because you're hacked off that your ex-girlfriend's got a new bloke?
09:10No, I do love her.
09:11And I would like to get to know her.
09:11Then why don't you save money, give money and do more, mate, if you've got a job?
09:20Anyway, irrespective of this testosterone battle, if you look at the other screen, the split screen, for the first time
09:24on the Jeremy Carl show, I can tell you that after this break, a Nissan Micra takes on a Ferrari.
09:30I'm right back.
09:33Do you even know her date of births?
09:35You say it's more incidentally...
09:36Leave your foot around!
09:37Stay up!
09:38It's got nothing to do with you!
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10:21Welcome back for the break.
10:22Come back with Rory and Lee.
10:23Rory came out and said me XD's a nut job.
10:26She did stop taking the pill without telling me.
10:29We were together for seven months.
10:30She's pregnant.
10:30I had to finish when I discovered that she was sending naked pictures to lads.
10:34Did you get naked pictures?
10:35No, I never.
10:36Dee, who's now with you, Lee and Dee, it's nice.
10:39She says you are one poor excuse for a dad.
10:42You've given 20 quid in six months.
10:45You're a waste of space.
10:46And back at you, you were the worst she'd ever had in bed and you stink of BO.
10:51Dee's on the Jeremy Cowell show that way, sir.
10:54Miss that night.
10:59Do you even know her date of birth?
11:0222nd of April.
11:03Do you even know how to spell her name?
11:05S-A-F-I-R-E.
11:07Yes.
11:08But the thing you've only paid 20 quid and that's when we got her registered.
11:11No.
11:11Well, that's both answers right.
11:13You paid 20 quid in cash and got her registered, Dory.
11:16Well, it's not enough for six months, is it, you donut?
11:19I gave her 40 pounds worth of nappies and wipes.
11:21That's still not enough, is it?
11:22It was a tenner.
11:24It wasn't a tenner.
11:25It was a tenner.
11:26It was a tenner.
11:35You said you were a nut job who stopped taking the pill and trapped him.
11:37No, he's the one who trapped me.
11:39How did I trap you?
11:40Because you're controlling and you're a malipative man.
11:43You say this guy is no good.
11:45Why?
11:46Because he's not...
11:46We phoned him when I was into labour saying, right...
11:50So she never contacted him?
11:51I had no call.
11:53We were calling him.
11:54He's the one who...
11:55His phone kept going...
11:55Kept ringing, going straight to answer phone.
11:57We phoned him when I was into labour.
11:59You say it's more incidentally...
12:00Touch your mouth!
12:02Stay out!
12:02It's got nothing to do with you!
12:04You say that he's more incidentally his dog of a new wife.
12:07She's a filthy fat tramp with buck teeth.
12:10And if she's a Ferrari, I'm a goddamn Rolls-Royce.
12:14And Michelle!
12:15Michelle's on the Jeremy Carl show.
12:17Don't worry, she's coming out now.
12:24You need to stop!
12:26Treating him like s***.
12:27And you're treating him like a yo-yo.
12:29How am I treating him like a yo-yo, Michelle?
12:32Because it's backwards and forwards.
12:33One minute I can, one minute I can't see him.
12:35One minute you were having to see her.
12:36I was making me feel like I'm pushed out.
12:37That's the thing.
12:38I wasn't even allowed at the birth.
12:39You'd rather have him there, apparently, rather than me.
12:40We tried phoning him.
12:41No, there was me and her stepsister Jenny, right?
12:44And I called you...
12:45We tried phoning him!
12:46...but you only had two people in maternity ward.
12:49Three hours straight.
12:49No, I was allowed three because I wasn't exactly there myself.
12:54But that's funny because all the other births that I've been to,
12:57I was allowed two people.
12:58No, they said I was allowed two.
13:00So did you just say on national television,
13:01I was allowed three people at the birth because I wasn't there myself?
13:04Yes.
13:06Do you not think he could have done more?
13:08I don't really...
13:09He's sort of well rehearsed, but he doesn't grab me with his passion about this kid.
13:15He's passionate about slagging her off.
13:17Is he really passionate about being a father?
13:19Well, he wasn't going to bond with a child that he wasn't 100%.
13:22So if he is the father, he's going to step up.
13:24You're saying you're happy for him to be involved, are you?
13:27I don't know why we're doing a...
13:28Why have I done a DNA test on Lee?
13:31Did you have sex with him before you left him?
13:35No.
13:36Not at all?
13:36No.
13:37Then why did you send me a message before I applied to this show saying I want a DNA test?
13:42You don't believe me that stuff I wrote.
13:44So you did send a message.
13:45You don't know what to message me.
13:46I don't know.
13:47I have a message in ages.
13:48So you did send a message saying that Lee was the father.
13:50No.
13:51That's the thing.
13:51I haven't sent no messages to him.
13:52He just said you didn't.
13:53You agree with him.
13:54She's got the screenshot of it.
13:55I haven't messaged him in months.
13:56Has she not deleted it?
13:57Like the nude photos, the DNA test results show that Lee is not the child's biological father.
14:02So they are, you're not.
14:03What?
14:04So...
14:05What?
14:05I told them that Lee wasn't the dad.
14:08Is nobody else in the frame?
14:10No.
14:10If I am.
14:11I will step up and I will pay.
14:13You are the child's biological father, Rory.
14:16Yes.
14:16Right?
14:17I'm sorry.
14:20So you're too late, Rory.
14:23She's five months old now.
14:25You were the one that messaged me saying about a DNA test first.
14:28Not me.
14:28I have messaged you in the past.
14:29Do you want to see your daughter?
14:31What?
14:32For like half an hour, 40 minutes?
14:33That's great buying time, that is, isn't it?
14:35Don't even ask me anymore how she's doing.
14:38Because I'm not...
14:39Because I feel like I'm pushed out.
14:40Why am I going to ask about a child that I feel left out?
14:42OK.
14:43You feel that it's your...
14:44I'm not going to be a part-time child.
14:45I'm sorry.
14:46That's what it feels like.
14:46No matter what, if you're getting pushed out, you should fight for your child.
14:50Not walk away.
14:50Well, I've got you threatening me.
14:52You thinking you're all right?
14:53I was the one who got stress and get drunk.
14:55I have to say, apart from the work thing, he's a decent young man.
15:00Just because you're from the room before the meeting...
15:02I don't see the passion in you, right?
15:05You want to see this child, yeah?
15:06You want to be involved in this child's life.
15:08Yeah.
15:08You're going to have to accept that he's involved.
15:11She's been there for five months.
15:13You're going to have to agree to a situation with our help that suits all parties.
15:17And you're going to have to stick to it.
15:19But why am I stood here thinking that you won't stick to it?
15:22Well...
15:23Why am I thinking that you're not totally as committed?
15:25Because I've...
15:27He came and brought nappies and some wet wipes to us, right?
15:32For...
15:32Yeah, it turned up with some wet wipes.
15:34In the local town centre.
15:35And who did you bring?
15:36Someone else with you?
15:37Because apparently you wanted to hit me.
15:38So you had to bring someone with you to stop yourself.
15:39No, you didn't want to hit you.
15:40No, you did.
15:41No, you didn't.
15:42You said I don't do enough.
15:43I actually get three or four jobs.
15:44What?
15:45Run myself down.
15:45I have no life.
15:46Yeah.
15:46But you're moving away with your new wife, aren't you?
15:48Aren't you moving away with your new wife?
15:51Not straight away.
15:52How can you be a dad if you're 200 miles away?
15:55And I don't particularly want you to take my daughter to a new place where I'm not sure
15:59she's going to be safe.
16:00You're going to have to sit down.
16:01I've got to be supervised with you lot.
16:03It's all right, isn't it?
16:04It's not going anywhere, is it?
16:05That's not the point.
16:06See you for the whole weekend.
16:08There you go.
16:08I don't think you will go.
16:09Do you know that?
16:10I don't think you would do what you say you're going to do.
16:12There's only one way to find out, isn't it?
16:14Yeah, there is.
16:14But I want it with just you.
16:16But you die.
16:16No.
16:17What?
16:18Why?
16:18He's got no need to be there.
16:20What does he need to be there for?
16:21Can't have support for myself.
16:22You're jealous of him.
16:23No.
16:24But I just found him as a threat.
16:25So I don't want him there.
16:26Why do you find him a threat though?
16:27He's done nothing wrong to you.
16:28He's been there for my support and our daughters.
16:30OK.
16:31You also have to understand it isn't about Lee and this is not me slagging Lee off.
16:36No, I know.
16:36This is about what's best for your daughter.
16:39We will put you two together, not with your partners.
16:41And I say this every day to the point where even I know what I'm going to say.
16:44But, you know, at some point, for whatever reason, you conceived a child and that child
16:49deserves to be free of this BS.
16:52You as the child's mother, you as the father, have to surely meet in the middle with our help
16:57and you have to provide and you have to agree a system whereby this kid knows the truth.
17:02But here's the thing.
17:03If you don't turn up, you don't pay, you change your mind because your new boyfriend doesn't
17:07like it.
17:08You can carry on this battle.
17:09The only person that will lose out is the child.
17:11150 million percent.
17:13Would he sit with your ex and work this out for the sake of this kid?
17:16Yes or no?
17:17No.
17:18Because he's had the opportunity.
17:20And he'll take you to court, darling.
17:21But will he?
17:23No, because he will.
17:23Well, I will.
17:24Can I tell you something?
17:25You know when you weren't in years to come, he'll go, Lee's my dad, right?
17:30No, she'll watch this and she'll go, why didn't my mother give my father a chance?
17:34And then she'll go look for her dad and my dad will call you every name.
17:36He's the actual real father, anyway.
17:37Why don't you at least sit, just the two of you, with Graham and see if you can find
17:41some common ground for her sake.
17:44I'll do it, but...
17:44Yes, just that's it.
17:46No buts.
17:47See what the old man can do.
17:48Did I call Graham an old man?
17:49It's true, though.
17:50Yes or no?
17:51Yeah.
17:52Give him a round of applause.
17:53You go that way.
17:54You go that way.
18:00Right, you might remember my next guest from a previous show.
18:03Take a look at this, my friends.
18:06Your ex is Sam.
18:07Yeah.
18:08And you say you are one of three potential fathers to her baby that is six months of age.
18:12Olivia, right?
18:13Yeah.
18:13So Sam was in a relationship with Scott.
18:17Yeah.
18:17On and off, they have a child together.
18:20He's the father, definitely.
18:22And interestingly, he has custody.
18:24Yeah.
18:25Yeah.
18:26Then, you're in her life.
18:27But at the moment, Lee's in her life.
18:29Yeah.
18:39What did she just say?
18:40Yeah.
18:41Well, that's not going to happen.
18:42So stop making idle threats.
18:43So you won't be here.
18:44Yeah.
18:44No.
18:46No.
18:51I'll put my ass up there.
18:53Yeah.
18:53No.
18:53No.
18:53For six days.
18:54I'll put my ass up there.
18:55Six days.
18:55I thought you could change.
18:56I thought a little druggie.
18:58Yeah, you should.
19:00The biological father of your baby.
19:02You were right, it is Shane, yeah.
19:08So since the last show, Sam has considered giving access to Shane,
19:11but says she needs to know if he cheated on her during her relationship first.
19:14I don't know why.
19:15She's done a lie detector too, and today she's saying to Shane,
19:18prove you're not a liar, and that's the only way you'll see your daughter.
19:22I'm going to be really honest, I don't agree with her.
19:24Sam's back on the show.
19:32You're telling me, you came on this show for a DNA test,
19:36there were three potential dads, it turned out to be Shane.
19:38You're with Lee, they hate each other, I have my say there.
19:41You said you're going to give him the chance to be a father.
19:44It is absolutely nothing to do with whether he or you cheated on each other,
19:49whether he can be a father to that kid, how does that work?
19:52It's trust issues.
19:53I am willing to give him a chance, and I have, since the last show,
19:56give him countless attempts at being...
19:59Tell me, what do you mean countless attempts?
20:01We were talking on Facebook about him seeing his daughter,
20:04I agreed for him to see her once he'd proven that he's got his son out of the situation he
20:08was in.
20:09We basically agreed to...
20:09Completely agree with that last time.
20:11I'll get to you in a minute, be quiet, mate.
20:13If you want a child...
20:16Say the right thing rather than...
20:19Is it right that his access to his child should be based on whether or not he cheated on you?
20:30That's my question.
20:31No, not really, but at the end of the day, if he's lying about cheating,
20:34which I can understand it doesn't have any point at it,
20:36but then what else is he lying about to me?
20:37Fair enough, good point.
20:38And I don't want to go, basically, him saying,
20:39oh, you can have your daughter.
20:40If he's lying to me about doing drugs, which he failed on the last show...
20:43Are you still smoking cannabis?
20:45No.
20:46Lose the picture, Matthew, now, please.
20:49Isn't it true that since the last...
20:50Shut up or you won't come on!
20:53Isn't it true since the last...
20:55He's been trying to get back at you?
20:57Yep.
20:57Trying to get back with her, because she's now with his nemesis, Lee.
21:00We've got some messages.
21:01Let's have a look.
21:01I love this.
21:02This is from Shane.
21:03Shane, Sam, all I want is you and our baby, and you know that.
21:07Yes, Sam.
21:08I don't think so.
21:10I know so, Sam.
21:11She, our little girl, and all I want is to be there for her.
21:14Sort your life out.
21:15So he actually wants...
21:17To get back with me.
21:18But does he want that for his kid or for you or to score points over Lee?
21:22That's the question, right?
21:23Yeah.
21:23He's back, the d***er baby, who apparently needs to prove he didn't cheat on her anyway.
21:28Shane's back on the car show that way.
21:35Where are you going?
21:37I'm going to laugh.
21:38He's got an oaks, don't we?
21:39So why is he here?
21:40You've got two oaks getting par.
21:42What is he doing here?
21:43Oi, what are you doing?
21:45Again?
21:46I'm on board.
21:46Yeah, that's why I'm on this.
21:48Yeah?
21:48And every single thing I've done for that.
21:50If you didn't.
21:51Ow!
21:52Ow!
21:53Ow!
21:54That's why I'm here.
21:55Don't sit down.
21:56In it?
21:57Yeah.
21:57Thoughts are wrong.
21:59Is that what you're going to do?
22:01Yeah.
22:01You're access.
22:03And you're effing.
22:04No, you listen to me for a minute.
22:05No.
22:06You're effing and jaffing and going across the station.
22:08Nobody's going to give you access.
22:10What are you doing coming on here, then?
22:10Forget him.
22:11What about you?
22:12Yeah, well, I mean, this is why I'm coming on here.
22:14Yes.
22:15Right, fine.
22:15Well, then.
22:16Have you...
22:16Why do you think I'm in a mood?
22:18Have...
22:18I used to smoke it day in, day out.
22:20I've got no idea why you're in a mood, but if I was trying to get my kid, I'd be
22:23using
22:23my brain instead of my backside, and I'd be trying to do the right thing.
22:25Trying to...
22:29Why is she doing a lie detector?
22:31Why am I doing a lie detector?
22:32Why are you sending a message saying I want her back?
22:34No, I'm saying...
22:35Because I want my kid.
22:36And if it means getting through that way, it means getting through that way.
22:38Are you sure that would be to get your kid at a score point?
22:41Yeah.
22:41To get my kid.
22:42Because you hate me, don't you?
22:42No, just to get my kid.
22:43Yeah, but Lee's got everything you had.
22:45I just want my kid.
22:45I just want my kid.
22:46What do you mean you want your kid?
22:46I want to see my kid.
22:47That's all I want, and that's why I'm...
22:49Whatever you think about me, right?
22:51And that's why I've been to solicitors, I'm not going to lie to you.
22:53Oh, here we go.
22:54Good for you.
22:54Straight into the solicitors.
22:55Good for you.
22:56What do the solicitor say?
22:57What?
22:57I've got to pay £140 an hour.
22:59£100 straight up.
23:00Yeah, because we didn't want to do it through court.
23:01No, no, but what?
23:03But what did he...
23:04What did he say about the situation, the solicitor?
23:07He's telling me he's got to go through court, basically.
23:11Did he tell you to pay for the job?
23:12Yeah.
23:12And you know he said he was £148, £48.
23:15CSA, right?
23:16You know he said he was £140.
23:18You haven't even given the kid a tenner.
23:19Nope.
23:20How are you going to afford a solicitor?
23:20I've told you, what did I say to you about Friday?
23:22Yeah, £20, yes, for tomorrow.
23:24Tomorrow.
23:24Yeah, do you think it...
23:25Do you know what it costs more than £20?
23:27Who said I was going to blow it up?
23:27Yeah.
23:28A four-night, two days, a kid.
23:29Who's been nagging me to get a four-night?
23:32Why don't you...
23:32Why don't you try...
23:34Why don't you try and think, hear me out, that I want to see my kid,
23:37so I'm going to get my life sorted.
23:39I'm not going to make idle threats.
23:41I might be hacked.
23:42Run away now.
23:43Aren't you doing it again?
23:44Yeah, because you're just trying...
23:46No, because you won't face up to the trophy.
23:48I won't face up to the trophy.
23:49I want you to see the kids.
23:51I want you to see the kids.
23:53I'll give her £20.
23:54Right, OK.
23:54Talk to me.
23:55Don't walk off.
23:56Talk to me.
23:57She said, right, work, I'm on a zero-hour contract,
24:00but I've had to come off sick because I've had my appendix heart
24:02and I've been having problems.
24:04You want to...
24:05You want to see this child?
24:06Yeah, obviously.
24:07So you understand...
24:07I'll try back here.
24:08Shh.
24:09I've had to come straight back to Manchester.
24:11You feel like Lee's stealing your child, don't you?
24:13Yeah.
24:13You feel like he's calling the shots.
24:14But do you understand that every time that happens,
24:17they're going to go...
24:18For me, it's very simple.
24:19They're going to go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:20Look, he's at it again.
24:21Secondly is, every time you're aggressive or loud,
24:24that gives them every reason.
24:25She ain't saying you can't see that kid.
24:27Yeah, she is not.
24:28No, she's not.
24:28You don't listen.
24:29That's right, yeah.
24:30She wanted me to meet her on her own.
24:32She's coming.
24:33She says she wants...
24:34I have never stopped you from seeing her.
24:36I agree with you.
24:37You changed your life.
24:38You got a book.
24:39You got the house.
24:39Who said I'll give 20 quid than 40 quid next time?
24:41Who said I'll give 20 quid?
24:44Who said...
24:44She costs more than £20 for a night.
24:46I said I'll give you 20 quid than 40 quid next time.
24:48Do you think that's how much it costs?
24:49You've got money, yeah?
24:51My bank.
24:52You won't even challenge her about this, Shane.
24:54Who won?
24:57Do you want to see your kids?
25:00Do you want to see your child?
25:02Yeah, obviously.
25:03Do you want to allow him to see your child?
25:05Then as adults who create a life,
25:06get on that stage and I'll sort it out nicely.
25:09Right?
25:10I'm going to go on a break.
25:11Back in a minute.
25:12I've seen all the messages.
25:13So don't call me now.
25:15So, Shane, apart from the two people admitted to,
25:17have you passionately kissed anyone else?
25:18She said no.
25:19Why'd you say no?
25:19Do you know in your relationship with Sam,
25:21did you have sexual intercourse with anyone else?
25:23He said no.
25:25You're going to pass?
25:26Yeah, absolutely.
25:27Absolutely.
25:28Do you think he's going to pass?
25:30I'd like to think he would, yeah.
25:31Apparently he doesn't want to come out here.
25:35Why are you coming out on stage?
25:46It's the UK's most controversial talk show.
25:49We've been waiting a year and a half for this.
25:51We cannot wait.
25:53An internet sensation.
26:05Thank you, Jeremy.
26:07Raw emotion.
26:08Is my daughter having an affair with my husband?
26:12I have never seen anything like that in my life.
26:15Explosive results.
26:16No, she's there on the other side of the door.
26:18I'll say it would be his best friend, yeah?
26:23Absolutely outrageous.
26:25Life-changing moments.
26:27I don't want you on this show, so why don't you do one?
26:31I'm going to have a jammy, Dodger.
26:33All at 9.25.
26:34Why don't you just call me?
26:35Stand up.
26:36Get off the stage.
26:36This lady found out James is now living as a woman.
26:41Watch your eyes in front of the gym.
26:49Unmissable TV.
26:58Welcome back for the break.
26:59Sam and Shane.
27:00Shane, are you coming back out here?
27:02Come and prove you want to be a dad.
27:05Can I just say something really calmly?
27:08You want to see the child?
27:09She says she won't deny you that.
27:11The problem we've got here is that there is his ex-best friend who's living with you,
27:15which isn't great for him because he feels pushed out.
27:18Do you understand that?
27:19And you have to take some responsibility.
27:22That's how you feel, yeah?
27:23He feels that everybody's judging him.
27:25He takes drugs.
27:25He does this.
27:26He does that.
27:27Lee's not exactly the Archangel Gabriel.
27:28Now, I'm going to tell you something right here.
27:29Here and now.
27:30This is horrible for you, but this is a real test.
27:33Because every time you jump up and you give it large, right, everybody goes,
27:35oh, he's no good.
27:36So let this bloke come out here and say his piece and be dignified because you love your kid enough.
27:41Do you understand?
27:41Yeah, but why should he be on the stage?
27:42Because I invited him and it's called the Jeremy Carl Show.
27:44Lee's next.
27:45Give him a round of applause.
27:54Did you do that cocky look deliberately?
27:56What?
27:57You look really smug when you walked out.
27:59I'm not being smug.
28:00I don't have to be smug.
28:01Does she want to allow him to see the kid?
28:02Yeah, I've even said myself.
28:04I'll give him a chance.
28:05And at the end of the day, I don't condone no dad, you know, I've ever seen a kid.
28:08If I had his chances, I'd be snapping it up.
28:11I won't be coming to the Jeremy Carl Show for it.
28:12So we were snapping him up.
28:13So we went and sat on Facebook, yeah, and messaged her saying, when can I see her?
28:16When can I see her?
28:17You also messaged her saying you wanted her back.
28:19How does that mean?
28:19When can I see her?
28:20When can I see her?
28:21When can I see her?
28:21And what are you saying?
28:22No, you've got to speak to me to get my kids first.
28:24You also Facebooked her and said, I want you back as a family.
28:26And we also messaged you telling you that your daughter was poorly, but apparently someone's Facebook got hacked.
28:31I was with my mum.
28:32Do you know how much of a lie that sounds?
28:35I was with my mum waiting to find out if my nan was staying in hospital or whatnot.
28:38Answer this then, right?
28:39Can I ask you a question?
28:40Did you ignore the message saying your daughter was poorly?
28:42No, because I didn't even get on Facebook for that day.
28:44How is it?
28:44I didn't get on Facebook.
28:46Were you too busy, what, scoring weed or what?
28:48That day, right, I was at my mum's all day trying to find out when my nan were coming out
28:52of hospital
28:52and if she were coming out.
28:53How can she arrange access if you haven't even got a phone?
28:57How is it that all of you, how is it that you can send messages on Facebook saying I love
29:00you
29:00or I want you back?
29:01Because it's cold, weed somewhere to use internet, but I can't, when I'm sat at my mum's, yeah,
29:05If I was desperate to see my child, I'd sit in an internet cafe every hour of every minute of
29:10every day.
29:10What do you think I've been doing?
29:12I'm obviously not that day.
29:14Because Saturday night I'm in hospital.
29:16Spend less money on weed and buy yourself a mobile phone.
29:19Wait, what do you think I'm doing?
29:20I don't know.
29:21Have you got a mobile phone?
29:22No, I'm getting one Friday.
29:24Everybody's getting a job and a phone and everything after they've been on the Jeremy Karcher.
29:27How do you feel about the fact that he...
29:28I've already said this, I said this to her before.
29:30How do you feel about the fact that he's...
29:32Well, you did send her a message saying I want you back.
29:34Yeah, just so I could see my kid.
29:36That's disgusting.
29:37You're obsessed with you.
29:38You've not stopped messaging.
29:39You won't be seeing her.
29:40You won't be seeing her if we have to go through court then, Will.
29:42You know, I think you're still in love with her and I think you're more interested in her than you
29:46are the kid.
29:46I'm not in love with her.
29:48If I were in love with her, yeah, I'd be stood at that **** in the world.
29:51Why are you sending her messages then?
29:53Because I want to see my kid.
29:56Because I've been trying that and trying that and trying that and what have I got back?
29:59No, you have not, Shane.
30:00Wait, yeah, I have.
30:00No, you have not.
30:01Yeah, I've passed my **** laptop then and I'll go on Facebook now.
30:03I sent him the **** on the game.
30:05Well then, I have **** on the way.
30:07I have poo because I've sent him the messages.
30:08I've got every message and every picture and everything.
30:09Yeah, and I've got messages, yeah, that I screenshot.
30:11You've seen the message.
30:13Shut your mouth and listen.
30:14You've seen the message of me saying our little girl is not well.
30:17You've seen it.
30:18I've been on the show, mate.
30:19I didn't see it until that time I...
30:21Shane, you saw it straight after.
30:23You saw it straight after.
30:24I did not see it.
30:24No, I didn't.
30:25You ignored it.
30:26No, I didn't.
30:26How am I supposed to just do it?
30:27I did not.
30:28Active now.
30:29I don't know.
30:30This is what I mean.
30:30I was sacked at my mum's.
30:31How is that then?
30:31Answer this then.
30:32How is that?
30:33I was a sudden.
30:34My mum's waiting to find out what's happening with my mum's.
30:36Listen then.
30:37How is it?
30:37Shut up, please.
30:38How is it?
30:39Yeah, that's why me nanon were in hospital with a regular heartbeat.
30:40Shut your mouth.
30:41This isn't about him.
30:42I've got a regular heartbeat.
30:43I'm not in hospital.
30:44Me nanon.
30:44Yeah?
30:44What do you want?
30:46You can't have your ex-girls just to score points, right?
30:48This minute, I'm just going to score points.
30:49Who's Vicky, by the way?
30:51It's this.
30:51Vicky's on the Jeremy Kahr show.
30:53She's next.
30:54I don't know.
31:00I've seen all the messages.
31:01She's all the cunt with that cunt messages as well.
31:04You said on the last show, you thought that he and she had slept together behind your brother's
31:07back.
31:07Yeah, I did, but we're all in misunderstanding, Jeremy.
31:09Well, he definitely wants her back from the messages.
31:12Yeah, I know.
31:12I've seen it.
31:13Why have you got nobody...
31:14I've seen you, Shane.
31:15I really am.
31:15What did you say?
31:16I'm disgusted in him.
31:17Why have you just got one with me?
31:18Because on the last show, he come out.
31:20You come out on the last show, from all that misunderstanding we had about saying, you've
31:24last seen her at 16 weeks when I was pregnant with her, to when she was born.
31:27No, you didn't.
31:28Because if my mum did the statement, you met me in town when I was heavily pregnant with
31:32your daughter.
31:32All said miscarriage at 16 weeks.
31:34And you'd say, no.
31:35And all said to Tony, miscarriage at 16 weeks.
31:38Can I ask a question?
31:39Why does it matter if you cheated?
31:41Why does it matter if they cheated on each other when they were together?
31:43This is another thing I don't care.
31:45He wants to be a dad.
31:46It's like running away and never coming back.
31:48He says he wants to be a dad.
31:50You'll see me in town.
31:50I think you still like him as well.
31:52I think you lie that you're as bad as each other and don't run away.
31:55I'd rather jump off a cliff than go near him.
31:57Rather what?
31:57I'd rather jump off a cliff than go near him.
31:59That's not the best Danford, is it?
32:00Let's do it.
32:00I don't know why we're doing these lie detector results.
32:02All along.
32:03Did you cheat on him once you were together?
32:05Yeah, which I admitted twice.
32:07Before the test, Sam admitted to sleeping with two other people during your relationship
32:10with Shane and one person she said she slept with once, the other she said she couldn't
32:13remember how many times, but his children might have been five times.
32:16How long were you together?
32:17Four months.
32:18That's it, four months.
32:19Four months and you had sex with two people?
32:21Yeah, because I shouldn't have been doing whatever you're doing.
32:23Can I just tell you something?
32:24Can I just...
32:25Yeah, you just need a couple of eyes there, to be honest with you.
32:29So we asked you in your relationship with Shane, apart from the two people you admitted
32:31to, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
32:33She said no.
32:33Why did you say no?
32:34Jess says you're a liar.
32:35No, I'm not.
32:37In fact, Shane, darling, four months she was with you, she failed every single question
32:41as well as the two other people.
32:42There you are.
32:43Now, honestly, do me a favour.
32:45Shut up.
32:46You caused all this by being around with about three men anyway.
32:49Doesn't that make you wonder about your girlfriend?
32:51Not at all.
32:51Totally law.
32:52Makes you think though, doesn't it?
32:54I saw your face.
32:55You're a liar.
32:55I'm not bothered.
32:56This has got nothing to do with you.
32:57Of course you're not bothered.
32:57Because at the moment, you're all sorted with him, aren't you?
33:01This has got nothing to do with you.
33:02That's what I mean.
33:03So what does it mean?
33:03Jerry, your relationship with Sam, did you have sexual intercourse with anyone else?
33:06He said no.
33:07Because he was telling the truth.
33:15And then he failed the other two questions.
33:20Oh, dear!
33:21Oh, dear!
33:23Do you know what?
33:24I stand up.
33:24Can I give you?
33:25Can I?
33:26No, you didn't.
33:27You said it was two, you liar.
33:29Hold on a second.
33:30Hold on a second.
33:31Hold on.
33:31It was more than two.
33:32No, no, no.
33:32Wait, wait, wait, wait.
33:33Pot and kettle.
33:35You went mad.
33:36He kissed and maybe had a grope with somebody and you went, you dirty whatever.
33:39Yeah.
33:39You slept with three minimum in four months.
33:43That's why you didn't know the father of your baby was.
33:45Yeah, but at least I hadn't made a cheater, though.
33:47It's not a bad thing.
33:48Yeah, but that's the only thing I wanted to do.
33:50If he failed it, he steps up.
33:52All right, then let's just do contact.
33:54Like I've tried.
33:55I tried with you, she.
33:56No, you didn't.
33:57Yes, I did.
33:58I'm going to do it one more time.
33:59I'm not through contact centre, no.
34:01One more time.
34:16She doesn't need to.
34:18The first time you don't turn up, you're being unfair to the child.
34:22Yes or no?
34:23Agree.
34:24What?
34:24Not doing it again.
34:26You're not going to get involved.
34:27You're all right with that.
34:29Yes?
34:30Ish.
34:30It's nothing to do with you.
34:31I don't know.
34:32I would actually like a thank you if I'm not.
34:33Yeah.
34:35I'm talking too nicely.
34:36A thank you, but not a thank you for trying to shut up his birth.
34:39But I think he's as bad as him.
34:40Exactly.
34:40No, I can't turn him up, though.
34:42He can't deny that.
34:43I can't deny that.
34:43I think he's double escape.
34:44You're not asleep with him.
34:45You wanted me back and I said I wanted you back.
34:47No, Shane.
34:48Hello?
34:49Contact centre.
34:50There's too much section.
34:52Contact centre between them, isn't there?
34:55Do you not want to run for the ills?
34:57Contact centre, yes or no?
34:59Contact centre, yes or no?
35:00No, I'm going to go to a solicitor.
35:02I'm as bad as him.
35:03I put my hands up.
35:04He's as bad as me.
35:05But at the end of the day, I've given him a chance.
35:07I told you I'd give him a chance on Facebook.
35:09Contact someone.
35:11Forget Facebook.
35:11Let us give it one shot.
35:13We will arrange a contact centre.
35:15One.
35:15And neither do you.
35:17You slept with three people.
35:18I've been there since she was born.
35:19Because you're the mother, for God's sake.
35:21He hasn't done nothing.
35:21He knew he was a dad, though.
35:22Let me.
35:23One.
35:24Contact centre, one.
35:25If he doesn't...
35:26You can show this forever.
35:27You can show her this forever.
35:29Yes or no, please.
35:31Yes?
35:31Yes?
35:32Yes?
35:32Graham, that way.
35:34You go that way.
35:34Sort it out.
35:35Give him a round of applause.
35:36I'm done.
35:41Well, on our next guest today, Gemma is convinced of fiancée Hayden.
35:45She did an error after he had missing for 48 hours.
35:48And later admitted that he stayed over at another woman's house.
35:50Gemma says she is desperate to know the truth and can't move on with wedding plans.
35:54Who could until this is sorted?
35:56It's a big day for her.
35:57Gemma is next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
35:59So, that way...
36:06I don't know whether you look nervous or a bit...
36:09I am a bit nervous.
36:09It's one of those things, isn't it?
36:10Everybody sits here and they all just go, oh, it's a lie detector.
36:13This will be great.
36:14But this is your life.
36:15Hayden, who you're married to, are you getting married to, you hope?
36:18We're engaged, yes.
36:19You're engaged.
36:19You've got two kids.
36:20He thinks this show is beneath him and is currently sat in one of my green rooms,
36:24refusing to come on stage.
36:25That would, in my mind, say that he's got something to hide.
36:27Am I missing the point?
36:29What happened when you slept at another woman's house?
36:31How long have you been engaged for?
36:34Just over a year.
36:35I needed my fiancé to do a lie detector test because four weeks ago this big thing happened.
36:38Tell me what happened in your own mind.
36:40Basically, I went to work and I didn't come home until about 11 o'clock at night.
36:45He was asleep on the sofa, so I woke him up.
36:48Basically, I just tapped him and woke him up.
36:50Yeah, pretty much.
36:52And I said, like, are you all right?
36:54And he just literally opened his eyes and he said, I'm going to my mum's.
36:57And, like, before I left for work, I actually thought we were fine.
37:00Like, I didn't see anything, you know, wrong.
37:02And so he said he was going to his mum's and he walked out the room and he rang a
37:05taxi
37:06and then went to his mum's and got in this taxi and went to his mum's.
37:09Just from absolutely nowhere?
37:11Yeah, like, before I went to work, everything, we were talking and everything was fine and I was, you know.
37:16So the kids are there and he just jumps up, you get home from work, give him a little tap,
37:19how are you, whatever.
37:20Yeah.
37:21And off he goes.
37:22Yeah.
37:23So he didn't go to his mum's, did he?
37:25He did, on this part.
37:26He went to his mum's that night and stayed at his mum's and then the next day obviously met the
37:31girl.
37:32The girl?
37:33Yeah.
37:33We can't name her, you look terrified about that.
37:36Yeah.
37:36The girl, where did he meet the girl, at his mum's house or what?
37:39No, in the town probably.
37:40Apparently nothing happened, apparently he just slept on the sofa.
37:43So...
37:44I found out that Hayden had slept at another woman's house and I'm worried that he's cheated.
37:47Our wedding is on hold until we both, we both do a test today.
37:50Yeah, I'm doing a test as well because about two weeks ago...
37:56Why are you doing a test?
37:58Because she was supposed to come over and she then bailed, like, she was going to come over with another
38:04person
38:05and then she then bailed so the guy came over on his own and we literally just sat there watching
38:10TV.
38:10Yeah.
38:11And then I went to bed.
38:12Yeah.
38:12And then when I woke up...
38:13This is brilliant, could you please say this very slowly because by anybody's standards on the Jeremy Kyle show this
38:17is brilliant.
38:18You were talking.
38:19Yeah.
38:19Then you got tired.
38:21Yes.
38:21You went to bed and then you woke up in the middle of the night, didn't you?
38:26Yeah.
38:26Yeah, I woke up in the middle of the night and he was in the bed next to me.
38:31But I genuinely had no concerns, like, that anything had happened.
38:35So you wake up and the bloke, who's a friend, well you're smiling now but that doesn't look any better
38:40than him going to a woman's house.
38:42No, I know.
38:43Did anything happen?
38:44No, nothing happened.
38:45Did you not go, what the hell are you doing in my bed?
38:46Oh yeah, I did say like...
38:47Was he naked?
38:48No, he was...
38:49Was anybody naked?
38:51No.
38:51No.
38:51So you're fully clothed?
38:53Yeah.
38:53And he's got a suit of armour on?
38:55Pretty much, yeah.
38:56Did you not...
38:57I mean, most people would react in a slightly weird way.
38:59Mm.
39:00That's why I said...
39:00Where was Aidan?
39:02Oh, erm, not here.
39:03Like, this is what I mean, like...
39:04Well, I know he's not here.
39:05Was he there?
39:06No, he just...
39:06No, cos, erm, he left.
39:08That's what I mean.
39:09He didn't want to live there anymore and he left.
39:11So there have been underlying problems.
39:13Yeah.
39:14So we need to do double lie detector.
39:15If he's failed, now many people come out here and say this, what happens?
39:19Erm...
39:20I think we'd be done, to be honest.
39:22You think we'd be done?
39:23You see, I'm looking at you and I'm thinking, because you didn't say, if that low-life scumbag
39:26did that to me, I'd walk.
39:28I think you're guilty now.
39:29No, I'm not guilty.
39:30I've got nothing to hide.
39:31You're gonna pass?
39:31Yeah, 100%.
39:33Absolutely.
39:33Yeah, 100%.
39:34Do you think he's gonna pass?
39:35I'd like to think he would, yeah.
39:36But if he doesn't?
39:37You've got kids, I know, but the reality is he's cheated on you.
39:39Yeah, well, we would be done.
39:41We've been through a lot, do you know what I mean?
39:42And...
39:44Don't get me wrong, like, I love him, do you know what I mean?
39:46And I'd want to make it work.
39:48But I don't think...
39:48I can never get it out my head.
39:50And that's why I'm here.
39:51Because I can't get it out my head.
39:52Er, so Hayden, I just want to hear in my ear.
39:53Is he...
39:54He's not in the...
39:54He's backstage, is he?
39:56Apparently, he doesn't want to come out here.
39:58No, he doesn't, yeah.
39:59So, why is that then?
40:00Erm...
40:01Like I'm not a busy man.
40:02Where is he?
40:04Do me a favour.
40:06I'm not coming out.
40:07Why not?
40:09Shut up!
40:11Sorry, why aren't you coming out on stage?
40:14Apparently, you're above this show, is that right?
40:15No, he said that, oh dear.
40:17So, you don't trust your missus, no?
40:18No, yeah, of course I do.
40:20What do you mean you do?
40:20Oh, she's here.
40:21A man spent the night in her bed.
40:23Yeah, I know.
40:24She was a friend you were helping out.
40:26Yeah, she was just a friend, that's it.
40:27Do you know what I mean?
40:27That's all she ever was, yeah?
40:29And that's what she ever is.
40:30So, you were doing a good turn?
40:31Yeah, like, basically, she got let down by somebody, yeah?
40:34So, she got let down last minute.
40:35She doesn't live in the same town, so she had to then figure out...
40:37I completely and utterly understand.
40:39I helped her.
40:39I understand.
40:40She helped me get back.
40:41So, you didn't stay with her?
40:42No.
40:42Nothing happened?
40:43Nothing happened?
40:44He didn't contact me for 48 hours.
40:46No, it is, because you went to your mum's that night, Hayden,
40:50and then you didn't...
40:51The whole day, the next day, you didn't contact me,
40:54and then the next day after that, I then messaged you to say,
40:56do you want to see the kids?
40:57And you replied to me whilst I was on the bus over to town saying,
41:00yes, please.
41:01And then you rang me on the phone, and I turned around and I said,
41:04well, where are you?
41:05Because I'm on my way to town.
41:08And you turned around and said, at the bus stop in the other town.
41:11Yeah.
41:12And I turned around and obviously hung up on you because, you know...
41:16You don't trust him, do you?
41:16My feeling was gutted.
41:18You don't trust him, do you?
41:19I did trust him until this happened.
41:22You've had arguments.
41:23She's admitted that.
41:24There hasn't been much affection.
41:26You both tell me categorically you're going to pass these lie detector results.
41:29100%.
41:29At which point, fingers crossed, it's a fresh start.
41:33I'm going to go to a break.
41:34We are going to go back on stage and do the results, OK?
41:36Join us after this.
41:37Come on, you two. Come on, me.
41:38You sort of look at the stories and you think they are both a little bit dodgy, aren't they?
41:42I don't accept that. Mine wasn't dodgy because...
41:44You went to bed and in a minute a bloke's in the bed with you.
41:47That doesn't look great.
41:48How many people, put your hand up, think he's a cheat?
41:51How many people in the audience think she's a cheat?
41:55Every single person in this audience.
42:07How many people in the audience think they are both a little bit dodgy, aren't they?
42:18To be fair, no, because I don't accept that. Mine wasn't dodgy.
42:21You went to bed and in a minute a bloke's in the bed with you.
42:24That doesn't look great.
42:25Yeah, but because I woke up and he was in the bed with me, it doesn't mean that I did
42:28anything wrong, does it?
42:29I'm not saying you did anything wrong.
42:31All right, let me ask a question. Do you smoke cannabis?
42:33I do on the other question, yes.
42:34That was nailed on.
42:35What's the biggest side effect of cannabis?
42:38Paranoia.
42:39Do you smoke cannabis?
42:40Yeah.
42:41How many people, put your hand up, think he's a cheat?
42:44Come on, be honest. Half and half.
42:48How many people in the audience think she's a cheat?
42:51Oh, wow.
42:51Every single person in this audience thinks you're a cheat.
42:55Well, listen, they're going to look really stupid, or you are.
42:57Somebody is.
42:58Let's do those all-important lie detector results.
43:00William, thank you very much indeed.
43:01We're going to start with you, Hayden, the man who...
43:04This is a bit I didn't understand.
43:05You're lying on the sofa.
43:06She comes back from grafting.
43:07Taps you on the shoulder and says, how are you?
43:09And you went, I'm going to me mums.
43:10What was that all about?
43:12That wasn't...
43:12That was exactly how it went.
43:13It did happen in a kind of sense like that, but she didn't...
43:16In a kind of sense like that.
43:17We've been arguing all day, and I had enough of the arguments.
43:19We hadn't, because I've been at work all day until 11 o'clock at night.
43:20So I got tired to remove myself from the same.
43:21She's been at work.
43:22Hayden, I've got proof that I was at work.
43:24At that time.
43:25You was at work.
43:25I'm not saying you weren't at work.
43:26So how could we have argued all day, Hayden?
43:28No, because we weren't on the phone because I was at work.
43:30OK.
43:33Never mind.
43:33We'll carry on then.
43:36You said to my team, I feel like a house husband.
43:40I don't feel I ever do enough that's good enough for this lady.
43:43I need to work.
43:43I need to provide for my kids.
43:45I need to provide for Gemma.
43:46Why don't you then?
43:47I'm being...
43:47I don't feel like I have the right reach to do that.
43:51Stop smoking cannabis and go and look for a job then.
43:54I agree.
43:54I agree.
43:55Seriously.
43:56I agree.
43:57Spend the money that you spend on weed on your kids.
44:02We asked Hayden, since the start of your relationship with Gemma,
44:04have you had sexual contact with the woman in question?
44:06You said no.
44:07Why did you say no?
44:08Because I was 100% telling the truth.
44:09He was 100% telling the truth.
44:15Why don't you look happier?
44:16I am happy.
44:17Anything to hide, love?
44:18Since the start of your relationship with Gemma,
44:19have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
44:21He said no.
44:22Why did you say no?
44:23Have you watched this show?
44:25Yep.
44:25He's got a full house.
44:26He passed everything.
44:29Thank you very much.
44:33What if she's failed?
44:34What happens?
44:35Don't ask me that question, please.
44:36What if she failed?
44:37I don't know.
44:38What if I fail?
44:42Since the start of your relationship with Hayden, did you have sexual contact with the man in question?
44:47You said no.
44:48Put your hand up in the audience if you thought truthfully that Gemma was a cheat.
44:54Why did you say no?
44:55I was telling the truth.
44:57She was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
45:03You said no.
45:07You know what he got?
45:08She got a full house as well.
45:17I'm telling you it's pointless.
45:19It's not pointless.
45:21She's crying because she's gutted.
45:24Did you want one of them to fail?
45:26No, obviously I didn't want you to fail, Hayden.
45:28I don't understand why someone can be gutted.
45:30Mate, I don't mean to be rude, but you're about as sensitive as a toilet brush.
45:34At the moment, yeah.
45:35I totally am.
45:35The woman is crying because she loves you, right?
45:38Because she didn't know what was going on.
45:40Because she's been forced to come here and defend her honour.
45:43You don't seem, I'm being really honest with you, you're a nice guy, but you're not really full of oomph
45:48and get up and go.
45:49You don't seem to go, I'm sorry, babe, and throw your arms around you.
45:52You just seem to sit there like a sack of potatoes.
45:54She probably wants a man to say, listen, babe, we love each other.
45:58We'll get through this.
45:59We've got kids.
46:00That's what she wants.
46:00She wants somebody to stand up and be a man.
46:02You just look like there's just nothing there.
46:04I respect what you're saying.
46:05Do you want to be with her?
46:06Yeah, this is my first time on camera and I don't know how to...
46:09Get the cameras a minute.
46:10You need to show this woman.
46:12You look at her.
46:13That's real emotion.
46:14Yeah, I know.
46:15I know.
46:16You need to prove to her that you want to be with her, mate.
46:19At the end of the day, she's going to get bored in a minute.
46:21Every day, I make a point of making that, yeah, and making it clear that I am there for her
46:25and the kids.
46:26I have made it every day.
46:27I walk.
46:27You're not even living with her?
46:29Yeah, well, I am as of now, yeah.
46:30I have been for the last week or so.
46:32The last week or so.
46:33Yeah, I walked away for five weeks.
46:35How do you think that made her feel?
46:37Tell him.
46:37Ripped her to shreds.
46:38He knows.
46:38He listened to rumours.
46:40I had to go to work every day and I had to come home and send them to childcare for
46:44eight hours a day.
46:45For a one-and-a-half-year-old, do you know what I mean?
46:47Eight hours a day.
46:49And before that, I'd never left her.
46:50Do you know what I mean?
46:51At all.
46:53I understand that.
46:53He knows that that was hard.
46:55She needs a man and do you know what you need?
46:56You need to do what I said.
46:58Smoke less cannabis.
46:59Get off your backside, whatever it is, and get a job.
47:02And before you clap, do you know why?
47:03You need to feel worthy.
47:05You need to feel like there's something about your life.
47:07There's a reason and a purpose.
47:08And your purpose should be this girl loves you and you've got two kids and that's what it is all
47:13about.
47:13And that's what you've got to do.
47:15It's not difficult, is it?
47:16No.
47:17No.
47:18I'm telling you categorically whether you like this or not, unless you man up and there is something about you,
47:24right?
47:25In the end, she'll just go, what's the point?
47:27She's working.
47:28She's being a mother.
47:29Yes, you're being a father.
47:30You need to find some dignity, doesn't he?
47:33Get backstage with Graham and have a chat and I appreciate you coming on despite the cameras.
47:37Give them a round of applause.
47:38Get out of there.
47:38Go.
47:39Thank you very much.
47:42I just have to say I thought you were brilliant.
47:44We're out of time for this morning.
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47:53Bye bye.
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