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00:00She likes to clean the floors for the local rugby team.
00:03She hates dirty knees.
00:05Bringing people together.
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00:10On today's show...
00:11From a father's point of view, your relationship with Veronica is what?
00:15Over.
00:16Why?
00:17She's told so many lies about the family.
00:20How does I cause Dad to have a heart attack?
00:21That wasn't anything to do with me.
00:23You've got to admit the truth.
00:24I am not telling the truth.
00:25What about a moving job when he's in hospital, yeah, and you go to my old drop-down dead?
00:28That's the last thing to say, it's your father, innit?
00:30Did you say that?
00:31So he hasn't been in my life, though, has he?
00:33Mary's back, ladies and gentlemen.
00:35No, he was, because he was the same.
00:36No, he was my boyfriend.
00:37He was my boyfriend's boyfriend.
00:39No, he wasn't.
00:40Yes, he was.
00:41Identical twins are supposed to be the closest.
00:43What is this doing to you?
00:44I can't put up much more of this.
00:47You say, she's a mug, she's a tramp, I was seeing him behind her back.
00:53Why don't you get out here and stand up for what you've done?
00:56You are going to prove that he's the father to your child.
00:59You're also going to prove that you had sex with him behind her back.
01:02He says he couldn't possibly have made you pregnant.
01:05I have to be careful because it's daytime because it wasn't conventional sex.
01:23APPLAUSE
01:28Thank you, my friends.
01:29Good morning and, as ever, a big, big welcome to the show.
01:31Now, our first guest today, Pete and his dad, Alex, plus stepmum, Mary, are here
01:35because they say they were horrified when they saw sisters Veronica and her identical twin,
01:39Kerry, publicly feuding on an earlier Jeremy Kyle show.
01:43Take a look at this, my friends.
01:44You and Kerry, let's make this point, identical twins.
01:48Yeah.
01:49Growing up, as close as close can be.
01:51Mm-hmm.
01:52What the hell happened?
01:54Since she's been with Wayne, it's all just gone downhill.
01:56So, right, you say, um, Wayne is awful.
02:00He's a drinker, he controls Kerry, there she is.
02:04You f***ing, f***ing, Veronica.
02:07You know what I mean?
02:08I don't drink no more.
02:09Ah, can you do this?
02:10Have you cheated on your partner?
02:12Yeah, I haven't.
02:13Has he sacked at you?
02:13No, it hasn't.
02:15Three times.
02:16Three times.
02:17Three times.
02:17It's gone in twice for it, but that's in the past.
02:20So you did cheat because you admitted it.
02:22No, I'm not talking about cheating.
02:23You admitted it.
02:23You admitted it.
02:24It is.
02:26Why not have the same mum and dad as her, but I'm more of a sister than you're ever beat
02:29by.
02:29You had no respect.
02:31I have no respect.
02:32Mum, we're not from her.
02:34You stole it from her.
02:35You're the one we stole from her.
02:37Now, since that show was recorded, Pete and his family say they had no choice but to contact
02:42us because they were simply outraged hearing Veronica's lies.
02:44They say that she has destroyed the family and caused dad Alex so much stress.
02:49This guy nearly died of a heart attack after she attacked him at her engagement party.
02:53They are here to set the record straight and out Veronica as the evil twin, not Kerry.
02:59They're here in the green room.
03:00We'll just come in straight away at the beginning.
03:02Alex, good morning to you, sir.
03:03Morning.
03:03Thank you so much for doing this.
03:05Mary as well.
03:06And Pete, how are you?
03:07We'll start with you.
03:09You say...
03:10Before I...
03:11Can I just say something before you ask me a question?
03:14When this has proved that Kerry's telling the truth, that she hadn't net the money in, would
03:22you apologise to her?
03:23Me?
03:24Yeah.
03:24Why me?
03:25Well, after last year.
03:26After last year, you called her a theme, didn't you?
03:28Listen, I'll be honest with you.
03:29I appreciate the fact that because if you're honest, you're backstage here and it's important
03:32that we do it correctly.
03:32If I'm wrong, I always put my hands in the air.
03:34No, I appreciate that.
03:35And I also appreciate the fact that you, you watched this and you said to my researchers,
03:39hold on a minute, you know, that ain't right at all.
03:41I want to come here with me dad, with Mary, and I want to put the record straight.
03:46Bear in mind, from my point of view, I get one side, I get the other side.
03:49They wouldn't do it.
03:49Let's hear your side.
03:50Tell us about...
03:51She's a liar.
03:51She's constantly lying.
03:52She's on Facebook.
03:54I've got her boyfriend threatening to do stuff to me.
03:57You say she's addicted to speed?
03:59Yeah, she is.
04:00I've seen her quite often walking up the road going to a dealer's house to buy speed.
04:03You say that she's always put her boyfriends or whatever in front of her family.
04:07Yeah, all the time.
04:08Can we talk about, I mean, I said in the introduction, the engagement party?
04:13Tell me about that.
04:13Well, you know, my dad threw a party for him, he gave a party, paid for the haul with food,
04:17the drink and that, you know.
04:19He comes up and the next thing you know, I've walked outside, they pin him up against the
04:22wall, you know, I've tried to get him, you know, tried to get him and then he's run
04:25off.
04:26Veronica's done one and then he's on the floor having a night attack.
04:30Your health has been well documented.
04:32You're here, obviously, and it's important that you watch this and are not on stage because
04:36of that, but you wanted to be here.
04:38Yeah.
04:38From a father's point of view, your relationship with Veronica is what?
04:42Over.
04:43It's finished.
04:43Why?
04:43Because she's told so many lies about the family.
04:49When Mary's phoned her up and said, I'm in hospital, I had a heart attack, she's over.
04:54The thing I don't get, Mary, is, right, these girls are identical twins.
04:58Now, wherever you come from, right, brothers and sisters are supposed to be close, but they
05:01fall out.
05:01Yeah.
05:02Identical twins are supposed to be closer than ever.
05:04What went wrong?
05:05You've been on the scene for 20 years.
05:06What happened?
05:08Veronica and Kerry, right up until May of this year, were identical, as you said, identical
05:13twins, and the four of them used to go, well, drinking together, they were together.
05:17Kerry and Wayne started to, well, clean their act up.
05:21They got jobs, they got their council flat.
05:23They started to live their life properly, and I think it was plain jealousy, because
05:28Veronica and Alex are still.
05:31Now, Alex, Veronica's partner, isn't here, didn't want to be here.
05:34That's his right.
05:35Veronica is here.
05:36Kerry and Wayne, we've done a lie detector on both of them, and you all say as a family
05:39they will prove their innocence.
05:40I'll put my hands in the air.
05:42I've left them in my house countless times babysitting my kids, do you know what I mean,
05:44with valuable stuff in the house.
05:46Nothing's gone missing from my house.
05:47Now, we were unable to test, Kerry, last time.
05:49I think you'll pick that up for the show because of medication, but we've done that, Graham.
05:53Haven't we?
05:53And that's all cleared.
05:54So this today is about you defending Kerry, defending Wayne, and saying, you know,
05:58Well, last time she was on it, she's blaming Wayne for all the problems.
06:00It's not the same since she's been with her boyfriend that all this has started.
06:03Do you know her boyfriend?
06:04Yes, I will admit, Wayne hasn't been the best person walking as her until the lads, what?
06:11What Mary's just said is they've changed their act, and it's quite an interesting point.
06:14You say Veronica was close to Kerry, but actually Kerry and Wayne have turned their life around.
06:18They've proved that with a lie detector, and from that point,
06:20Veronica's just hell-bent on causing any sort of trouble.
06:22I say to you again, you know, it's about the truth.
06:25You can't get to the truth unless you have something like a lie detector.
06:28You have to listen to all sides.
06:29You're going to stay here for obvious reasons.
06:31Really appreciate you being here because of your health.
06:33Mary, you're going to support.
06:34You're going to come with me.
06:35Is that all right?
06:35Give him a round of applause, gentlemen.
06:36You keep watching it on here, and we'll go from there.
06:40You okay with this?
06:41So are you close to her at all?
06:44Cool.
06:45Not at all.
06:47You take a seat there, my friend.
06:49Not close to her at all.
06:50What's it like for you?
06:51That's your dad.
06:52Your dad, you pointed out, had a heart attack.
06:54It makes me sick.
06:56It makes me sick.
06:57If you want nothing to do with us, don't go on Facebook causing s**t.
07:01Just don't do anything.
07:02Just leave us alone.
07:02What's the motivation for being like this, if you're right?
07:05Jealousy.
07:06Jealousy of all of you?
07:07I've got my life sorted out.
07:09I'm married.
07:09I've got my four kids.
07:10I do my own stuff.
07:11Yeah.
07:12Blimey.
07:12Kerry and Wayne have got their life sorted out.
07:13They do their own thing.
07:15It's just there.
07:15Just got nothing to do.
07:16Just bored.
07:17What do you want from today, bud?
07:19Just tell her to get out of our lives.
07:22Sticking up for the family and back on this show to put the record straight.
07:26Should we get her out?
07:26Yeah.
07:27All right.
07:27You've seen her before.
07:28She's back this time to face a brother who says you're the evil one.
07:31You're a liar.
07:32You even did a job on Jeremy Kyle.
07:34Veronica's back.
07:35Give her a round of applause.
07:44How do you respond?
07:45You're going to tell the truth now?
07:46I've never...
07:48Harry didn't know caused Dad to have a heart attack.
07:49That wasn't anything to do with me.
07:51No, it was you and your boyfriend put him up against...
07:52Who won?
07:53Then he'd do all my engagement cards and throw all the money out of my car.
07:55Just inject.
07:56No, they didn't.
07:56Yes, they did.
07:57No, they didn't.
07:59You're going to admit the truth.
08:00I am not telling the truth.
08:02Really?
08:02So you're going to admit it.
08:03You take speed in that then, aren't you?
08:04No, I haven't taken speed.
08:05I do.
08:06We...
08:09So we'll see, won't we?
08:10Yeah, we'll see, Veronica.
08:11Yeah, we will see.
08:12So that's where you get it from.
08:13Oh, really?
08:14So let me ask you this, because I was quite balanced last time.
08:16Apparently, I've favoured...
08:17Oh, hold on a minute.
08:18Mary, you want to come?
08:19Oh, Mary's on.
08:20Right, let's get a...
08:20It wasn't Kerry.
08:22Get a chair in.
08:22I don't know exactly who took a minute.
08:24Was it Kerry?
08:25Yes, it was.
08:25No, it wasn't.
08:26Yes, it was.
08:27No, it wasn't.
08:27Yeah, really?
08:28I didn't get my engagement presence for my engagement party then.
08:31It wasn't Kerry, because...
08:32I didn't say it was Kerry.
08:34Yes, you did.
08:34No, I didn't.
08:35I didn't even say it was Kerry.
08:36Shut up, Kerry.
08:37I didn't even say it was Kerry.
08:39You just told her it was.
08:40No, I didn't say it was Kerry.
08:42Yes, you did.
08:43You came on this show last time and accused her of naked money.
08:46I didn't say it was Kerry that was my engagement presence and all that.
08:47The money, yes.
08:48Yes, I did say to make my money.
08:50We're doing a...
08:51Yeah, we went to the pub.
08:53Oh, you don't even know what you're talking about, girl.
08:55Shut up.
08:56She's gone now.
08:56Everybody's coming and going.
08:57What have you got to do with me?
08:59You don't have to do with me.
09:01Because she's married to your father.
09:03Big deal.
09:04Big deal.
09:05Who are you?
09:07I'm married to me.
09:08All right, well, hold on a minute.
09:09I'm trying to get unconfused here.
09:10What does your own mother want to do with her?
09:11What?
09:12What does your own mother want to do with us?
09:13I speak to my...
09:13Well, that's nice for you, then.
09:15Where's she been for the last...
09:16No, it's for me, you know?
09:16Yeah, well, where's that been?
09:18What about the fact...
09:18For Kerry, where have they been, huh?
09:19Where's she been?
09:20What about the fact your dad had a heart attack,
09:22because apparently you attacked him at an engagement party?
09:24I did not attack him!
09:25Well, then I'll already say that, he's something there on oxygen.
09:28I didn't even touch him!
09:28So what about he's in a lust ball, then, yeah?
09:29And Mary rings you up and say he's in a lust ball.
09:30I didn't even touch him!
09:31And you go to him, I'll be done now, he's dead.
09:33Where's your life, yeah?
09:34You know what I mean?
09:35Yeah, do what you do, bass.
09:37Run off.
09:40I'm like, you didn't show me the sound to be the f***er.
09:43I haven't done nothing, yeah?
09:44See, look, here comes tears.
09:45No, I haven't done nothing!
09:47What about Mary rings you up and he's in a lust ball, yeah?
09:49And you go to him, oh, drop down, dead.
09:51That's the nice thing to say it's your father, innit?
09:53Did you say that?
09:53He hasn't been in my life, though, has he?
09:55Has he not?
09:56He's done everything for you.
09:56My mum's really been there for me.
09:58Here's the one, yeah, when you was hanging around, you never wrote, yeah?
10:00With all these lads, yeah?
10:01Had to come out and search for you.
10:03Me and dad.
10:04No one else.
10:04Me and dad.
10:06No one else, Veronica.
10:07Where was your f***er to?
10:08Nowhere to be seen.
10:10Where's she been for the last 12 years, 13 years of my life?
10:13Nowhere, yeah?
10:14And that's for your little mate out there saying she's known you for this year.
10:16How long has she known you for?
10:18What?
10:19How long has your little mate known you for?
10:21For a while, why?
10:22Yeah, she has!
10:24Why have you run off?
10:25Come on in, why?
10:25She knows us, yeah?
10:26She doesn't know Kerry.
10:28She doesn't know me.
10:28She doesn't know none of our family.
10:29Yeah, but she called Shana a bad mum last time and Kerry doesn't even know her.
10:32Well, she doesn't know none of us, but she's still slagging her sophomore, is she?
10:34Veronica, they say this is all you and you've caused all this trouble in this family.
10:38That's what they're saying.
10:39No, it's not!
10:40Well, why are you running off then?
10:41Because the first time he confronted your brother, you've done one.
10:44You were out there last time.
10:44No, it's not the one that's getting all the stuff.
10:47You were out there last time calling your sister, Kerry, her identical twin and her boyfriend,
10:52Wayne, thieves.
10:53That's what you said.
10:54They couldn't do a test last time.
10:56Kerry couldn't.
10:57She can.
10:57He was so incensed when he saw it go.
10:59Do you know what he said to me?
11:00You don't know the half, Jeremy Kyle.
11:02You don't know anything.
11:03She did a job on me.
11:04Now, we are here today to find out whether Kerry is, in fact, telling the truth.
11:08Your stepmum said to me something quite interesting.
11:09I don't care about that little goblin thing, that little one she says.
11:12Well, that ends to be the woman that your ill father has been married to for 20 years.
11:17Yeah, she, yeah, he left my mum for her.
11:20Why don't you be a little bit more, oh, so that's what this is all about.
11:22He left my mum for her.
11:24Yeah, do you blame him?
11:25Do you really blame him?
11:26Are you saying the state of it?
11:27Kicking me out at 12 years old, yeah?
11:28Because you rocked 40 quid a fur, yeah?
11:30And I got the blame for it, huh?
11:32He'll get you done for it.
11:33Me, not you, even though you nicked it.
11:34Yeah, and you say the state of it, even though you nicked it.
11:38Do you take speed?
11:40No, I don't.
11:41You don't, right.
11:42I've done a drag test, not f***ing over there.
11:44Why do you have to swear?
11:45After this break, the twin sister Kerry is back with Wayne.
11:48Other people as well.
11:49Don't go anywhere.
11:50We're back with this family food.
11:51Thank you very much indeed.
11:53Mary's back, ladies and gentlemen.
11:54I mean, he was.
11:55Because he was the same.
11:56He was the same.
11:56He was my friend.
11:57He was my friend's boyfriend.
11:59No, he wasn't.
12:00Yes, he was.
12:01Identical twins are supposed to be the closest.
12:03What is this doing to you?
12:04I can't put up much more of this.
12:15Thank you, my friends.
12:16Welcome back.
12:17Another family feud.
12:18Right, so here's the story.
12:19You know, Veronica, the sister, the twin sister of Kerry's on the show last time with her boyfriend.
12:23And Veronica says, you know, Kerry and Wayne are no good.
12:26They've nicked money off me.
12:26I want them to do a lie detector.
12:28Kerry couldn't do the lie detector.
12:29There was a medical reason.
12:30You were so incensed by what you saw.
12:32You rang the show.
12:32You said, you got it completely wrong, Jeremy.
12:34The truth is, she's the evil one, Veronica.
12:36Yeah.
12:37She had an engagement party thrown for my father.
12:39Alex, we've seen him backstage.
12:40He's on oxygen.
12:41He's had a heart attack.
12:42But she's...
12:43You confront her and she's done one.
12:45She's out here getting upset.
12:46That's what I mean, because Kerry wouldn't confront her like that last time.
12:49Well, she was...
12:50Let's just go and do this, because this girl's...
12:51She would get away with it.
12:52What's today about, from your point of view?
12:54What do you want to achieve?
12:54I don't want nothing to do with her no more.
12:56I stay out of my family's life.
12:57You don't want a relationship with her?
12:58No, she's out of everyone's life.
12:59But you think Kerry will pass the test and Wayne and this will out her, yeah?
13:03Yes.
13:03Why are you crying?
13:05Why are you crying?
13:06You had a lot to say last time, darling.
13:11Veronica, if we're going to put this right, we're going to put it right now.
13:13You came on my show, and you did the whole thing, and you said Kerry is a tea leaf.
13:17Her boyfriend is no better.
13:19I get from nowhere...
13:20Yeah, Wayne's being Kerry up in the past, and they all love him, you know what I mean?
13:23Is the underlying thing here jealousy?
13:25Are you jealous of the fact?
13:26Mary, you'll step my...
13:28Oh, I'm not jealous of that!
13:29Stop being rude about that lady.
13:31I'm asking if you're jealous.
13:32I'm trying to get your side.
13:33Are you jealous because she told me that Kerry and Wayne had rebuilt their lives from May?
13:38They were seeing things differently.
13:40They were working.
13:40They were doing good.
13:41And you said the same.
13:43You're the same.
13:43Veronica, what is this?
13:45Is this jealousy or is this fact?
13:46How is it jealousy?
13:47I've got my side of the fact that I've got my aunt and uncles.
13:49How am I jealous?
13:50How am I jealous of any of them?
13:52So you think...
13:53How can you ask my dad why I didn't want that?
13:54Don't even speak to him.
13:58How can you do this?
14:00What?
14:01Again, you're a scumbag.
14:03What, and your boyfriend?
14:04He needs to pick you up, yeah?
14:05And the family loves him.
14:06In the past, Veronica, we've still had that.
14:08We need to come onto a show, yeah?
14:09To prove it, Veronica.
14:09That's all this crap.
14:10We can't do it.
14:11We did it as a bad habit.
14:12Yeah, but you can't do that.
14:13And he's going to get his face smashed.
14:14Well, you can't make threats because A and 1, he's not here.
14:18And B and 2, that doesn't make you a very nice person because you make them publicly and
14:21he's dead right.
14:22He's better this than I am.
14:23Sorry.
14:23That's ridiculous.
14:24Right.
14:25Kerry, welcome back.
14:26Last time on the Jeremy Carl Show, you were accused by your twin sister of nicking money.
14:30She said you and your boyfriend are no good, this, that and the other, and you couldn't
14:34do the lie detector because of a medical situation.
14:37Graham, sitting down.
14:38We've done all of that.
14:39It's fine.
14:40We've done it today.
14:40She seems to hate everybody.
14:42She seems to hate you.
14:43She seems to hate Pete.
14:44She seems to hate your stepmother.
14:45What the hell is...
14:46She actually caught my dad, like Peter said, to have a heart attack.
14:49No, I didn't.
14:49That's why they didn't drop my money out of my engagement cards and all my presents.
14:52We didn't get any of them.
14:53Not a penny.
14:54Not any presents.
14:55Nothing.
14:56No, no, no.
14:56Who did us not?
14:57I'm going to agree with you for.
14:57Well, I wouldn't think...
14:58Who attacked your dad at the being engaged in time?
15:01It wasn't us.
15:02It was there.
15:04All right.
15:32Can you ask me a question, right?
15:33Answer me a question.
15:35Why are you two so against her?
15:38Just ask me.
15:38Me and Peter?
15:39Yes.
15:39Why do you, as her identical twin, why are you so anti her?
15:43What has she done?
15:44Because to me, I think she's got that whole look of somebody who feels like she's on the
15:48outside and she's being pushed down.
15:50I'm not saying she hasn't made mistakes.
15:51Where has...
15:52Where has the anger come from?
15:54Well, I'm not being funny.
15:55I have to think she's done with my dad.
15:56I'm driving down...
15:57I haven't done anything to that.
15:58I haven't spoken to dad in over a year.
16:00I'm driving down a donor victim.
16:01No one's got my numbers.
16:03No one's got nothing.
16:03I'm being funny, right?
16:04But your friend that was in the audience last time, right?
16:06You've known her...
16:06Yeah, and you're the one that called her a bad mum.
16:08You don't even know her.
16:09She doesn't know me.
16:09All right, all right.
16:10Sister Hayley and Veronica, on Facebook the other day, right?
16:13On your status.
16:13What are your status, Reid?
16:15I'm going to smoke some crack.
16:17Not doing drugs, no?
16:18No, no.
16:19It was a status shuffler.
16:20Yeah.
16:20Yeah, it was.
16:21Like, you're going to put on the status on Facebook.
16:22You're smoking crack, yeah?
16:24Did you put that on Facebook?
16:25No, it was a status shuffler.
16:27You can ask anyone.
16:27You can do it.
16:28Let's do all you always do.
16:29Graham, I believe we did a drugs test.
16:32Yeah, the drugs test.
16:33Well, I'm going back to the stage.
16:33I'm not standing all day.
16:35Right, apparently we're all going back to the stage then, right?
16:38Can I just get those drugs test results, Graham, please?
16:41Let's do that on stage.
16:42I've never known anybody who walks around so much, right?
16:45They're all bad, ladies and gentlemen.
16:46Give them a round of applause.
16:48Definitely.
16:48No, you're not going on stage.
16:49Come on me a minute and do those results.
16:51Jeez.
16:53I don't know why I have a set.
16:55I walk around.
16:56We were just about to do Graham.
16:57Can you come here?
16:57Where is Graham?
16:58Graham, come, come, come, come, come.
17:00Quick.
17:00Time is money.
17:01Hurry up.
17:02Drug test results.
17:03You did a test on Veronica.
17:04Yeah, and it proved positive for cannabis.
17:07Nothing else.
17:07Ah, thank God.
17:09Right, that's not...
17:09Sorry, can I just do that again?
17:11Cannabis.
17:11Thank God you've just been proved...
17:13She's a speed freak.
17:14She's not going up.
17:15She's done it in my house in front of me.
17:17That's a shot.
17:18That was Sharna.
17:19Hold on.
17:20Hold on.
17:21You're Sharna, right?
17:22Yeah.
17:22Be quiet.
17:23She needs...
17:24You're pregnant.
17:25She's a sketch.
17:27Hold on a second.
17:29She has a right...
17:30I can't bring no one yet.
17:32She has a...
17:34Pete's wife, but she has a right to somebody on her side.
17:36Sharna, you're back.
17:37You were slagged last time.
17:38They called her, and you are right, a speed freak.
17:41She's apparently delighted.
17:42Sharna, I've never done speed, love.
17:43Come on.
17:44Yeah, because she's done it with you.
17:45Oh, I'm really new.
17:46No, no, I'm being pregnant.
17:47You're mental.
17:48I'm not mental, love.
17:49She hasn't been known for you that long anyway.
17:50Would you do it if you weren't pregnant?
17:52No, I wouldn't.
17:52I wouldn't even dare to touch it.
17:53I've got a kiss to finger.
17:54She's got a kiss.
17:55She's got a little girl.
17:57Oh, wow.
17:57Can you explain to me, away from this family, what the hell causes two identical twins to
18:02be so angry with each other?
18:03She doesn't do nothing, Jeremy.
18:04Oi, be quiet.
18:05Speak.
18:06You two are identical, right?
18:08Yeah.
18:09And at the end of the day, you should be closer.
18:12Yeah, but you can actually...
18:14But then when you've got a sister like Veronica, who calls this all the...
18:17herself...
18:17No, I know you're Pete's wife.
18:19The next guy on, and this is important.
18:20Last time you were on my show...
18:22I am speaking...
18:24I am speaking...
18:24I am speaking...
18:25I am speaking...
18:25I am speaking to you from that show.
18:28Rick has been there all my life.
18:29Last time when you were on the show, you said...
18:30You drove down the street and you were sharp.
18:31Hello?
18:32Excuse me.
18:33You'll get more or whatever.
18:34Last time on the show, you accused your twin sister, Kerry, and her boyfriend, Wayne,
18:38of stealing money.
18:39They couldn't do lie to Texas.
18:40Today they do.
18:41He's back as well.
18:41He was accused.
18:42Wayne's back on the show.
18:43Give him a round of applause.
18:50I'm going to do it last time.
18:52Go on, then.
18:53You threw me up here last time.
18:54I'm going to do it last time.
18:55I need to make sure that he doesn't do that either.
18:58Okay, get over it.
18:59We've had enough.
19:01Yeah, you watch me if I don't pass.
19:04Yeah, and me.
19:05Welcome back.
19:05Hello.
19:06You got accused last time of stealing the money.
19:10Pete watched this show, thought I got it wrong, says...
19:14Bring him back.
19:15Do a lie detector.
19:16You lot don't know the half of it.
19:17She is the person that causes all the trouble.
19:20You two, stop shouting.
19:21What's your view?
19:22Well, she's the one that instigates everything.
19:25How?
19:26Because when they're talking and that, right, she's the reason me and Kerry kept fighting
19:31and that all the time.
19:32Do you think she's jealous of you?
19:33Is that the reason that she'll tear on you three times?
19:34Is that the reason?
19:35Is that the reason why you're a bitch?
19:36Who sets her up with the balloons?
19:37Yeah.
19:38Yeah, yeah.
19:39One of the things, right, is if I'm that much of a bad...
19:43Speak.
19:44If I'm that much of a bad person, right, why did I put you and Alex up when you had
19:49nowhere
19:49to live?
19:50And you completely trashed my house completely.
19:52Your boyfriend broke my unit by coming on.
19:55See, if he's not going to speak to look at the window, you broke my car and she's trying
19:59to give you a fat nip, didn't I?
20:00When you moved out, right, when you moved out, Veronica, right, when you moved out, I looked under my bed
20:12and there was a DVD case under there with white powder on it.
20:14Full of speed from your boyfriend.
20:16We don't even do this, so what are you going on about? It's probably your own stuff.
20:19Call me a liar anymore, and you didn't do speed in my house yet, in front of me.
20:23She called me a liar.
20:24I'll tell you what, I'll take a 90-
20:25Hello, hello, I'll prove you're wrong.
20:28Last time we come up here, why was your...
20:30Go into sports speed!
20:32Can you do me a favour?
20:33Can you do me a favour?
20:33Can you do me a favour?
20:33Can you do me a favour?
20:34Oh, Mary's back now.
20:36Mary's back, ladies and gentlemen.
20:38Because he was the same.
20:39No, he was, he was with my friend.
20:41He was with my friend's boyfriend.
20:43No, he wasn't.
20:44Yes, he was.
20:44He was obviously with my friends.
20:45Oh, what's this?
20:46What, so he's going in the bar show, so we can't go play back now.
20:49Yes, he was.
20:51No, he wasn't.
20:51I cannot do this.
20:53Shut up.
20:53Yes, he was.
20:54Shut up.
20:54Yes, he was.
20:55Shut up.
20:55I cannot do this show if everybody talks at the same time.
20:58You've rushed back on again.
20:59Now, is this seriously, Mary, look at me.
21:02Is this about, and nobody speak or you will get taken out of this building.
21:06Is this about a girl who was close, as you said, to her twin.
21:11Everybody got on.
21:12They turned their lives around.
21:14She, the boyfriend we can't talk about, right, haven't.
21:17You keep coming in and out of this stage and shouting and screaming.
21:21The person for me that's the most important in this story is Dad Alex, who is in bad health.
21:26Be quiet.
21:27Alex, can I just have a chat with you, without anybody interrupting?
21:31Yeah.
21:32You're backstage, you wanted to do this, you're on oxygen, you had a heart attack.
21:35I want you to speak to Veronica.
21:37I want you to listen and stop shouting, and I want the rest of you to button it.
21:41Alex, talk to Veronica.
21:43Veronica.
21:44Why have you done all this?
21:46What do you mean?
21:47What for?
21:47I haven't done anything, you know what I mean?
21:49I don't want to get up.
21:50Listen to him.
21:51Veronica.
21:52I don't know.
21:53I'm sorry.
21:54Veronica.
21:56Shush.
21:57Veronica.
21:58Look at your dad.
21:59Veronica, listen.
22:00Listen.
22:01You don't have to keep crying.
22:02Why didn't you just put bygones behind, right?
22:07Admit that.
22:08Well, when Wayne's trying to attack me on stage.
22:11Yeah.
22:12Hang on a minute, right?
22:14I told Kerry, I told Kerry, and I told Wayne not to aggravate you on stage.
22:20And, you know, I can't do it.
22:23Mary even told him, right?
22:24So, I don't know why Wayne came out like this.
22:26Alex, Alex, Alex, as a father, and everybody else, be quiet.
22:30Will you be quiet, or I will remove you?
22:33I don't want his apology.
22:33Be quiet.
22:34I don't want nothing from him.
22:35I want you to listen, because this is the reason we're here.
22:37Alex.
22:37Yeah.
22:38What is this like, watching this?
22:41It's terrible.
22:42These are your daughters.
22:43Yeah.
22:45And they're supposed, as that girl said,
22:47identical twins are supposed to be the closest.
22:50What is this doing to you?
22:51Tell Veronica.
22:53It's killing me.
22:55I can't put out much more of this.
22:58That's the truth, Veronica.
23:00Listen.
23:01It's getting beyond a joke.
23:03And I'm not...
23:05She's still my daughter.
23:07But, at the end of the day, what can I do for her?
23:09I've tried everything I can.
23:11I like you, Alex.
23:12And she won't even talk to me.
23:15Talk?
23:15I'll tell you what, I'm going to go to a break.
23:17Just for once, in your lives, all of you,
23:19not you, because I like you,
23:21stop scoring points,
23:23because I'm not going to raise my voice anymore.
23:24No, no.
23:36...points, because I'm not going to raise my voice anymore.
23:38No, no.
23:38Don't say a word.
23:39I want you all to think, during this break, of one thing.
23:42Do you know what he just said?
23:43I can't take this anymore.
23:45Don't get upset by this, Alex.
23:47When he's no longer here,
23:49I swear to you, on everything you've got, right,
23:51you will regret and rue this forevermore.
23:54And your cheap point scoring about who's right or who's wrong
23:56or who's going to be disowned or who's going to this,
23:58that's not going to wash.
24:00Because all of you, this guy's right.
24:01If you don't,
24:03get this out and get this done,
24:05you will all regret it.
24:07And if you can't do it for this man who's sick,
24:09there's something wrong with you.
24:10Back with a lie detector.
24:10Don't go anywhere.
24:11We asked your identical twin,
24:13who you publicly accused of being a thief.
24:15Have you ever stopped...
24:16Be quiet.
24:17Shut up, Wayne.
24:19And...
24:19Have you ever stolen money from Veronica's bag?
24:22She said no.
24:23Why'd you say no?
24:24Do I have to turn on the show?
24:36Thank you, my friends.
24:37Welcome back.
24:38Before the break,
24:39a family at war, quite literally.
24:41Can I get Alex back up on the screen, please, Matthew?
24:44This is about a 60-plus old man
24:47who is not in the best of health,
24:49who had a heart attack at an engagement party.
24:52Now, whether he paid for that or he didn't, whatever.
24:55This story started because your brother,
24:57who I think is fantastic, by the way,
24:59phoned this show and said,
25:00this is unfair.
25:02Veronica comes on the Jeremy Carl show.
25:03She accuses Kerry and Wayne of stealing money.
25:06This isn't true.
25:08Yes, he said,
25:09Veronica has made many mistakes,
25:11as I'm sure you all have on this stage.
25:14I simply tried to appeal to you before the break and say,
25:16if you look at that old man,
25:19no disrespect, Alex,
25:20all he wants in the world
25:21is for this rubbish to be put to one side.
25:24If people cannot get on,
25:26then at least steer clear
25:28and stop scoring cheat points.
25:29Isn't that right, Alex?
25:30Yeah, yeah.
25:31I'm going to do those results.
25:32Now, let me point something out
25:33about the lie detector.
25:34You, last time,
25:35came on my show,
25:36accused those two of stealing money.
25:38Because there wasn't a specific timeline,
25:40we made it a very general question
25:42and we asked if they'd stolen anything ever
25:44off Veronica.
25:46Is that right?
25:47Yeah.
25:48You've lost your voice.
25:50Yeah, exactly.
25:51We asked Kerry,
25:52your...
25:53Stop, stop it.
25:55We asked your identical twin,
25:57who you publicly accused of being a thief.
25:59Have you ever...
26:00Be quiet.
26:01Shut up, Wayne.
26:02And have you ever stolen money
26:05from Veronica's bag?
26:06She said no.
26:11Why'd you say no?
26:16Telling the truth.
26:17Of course she was telling the truth.
26:25Fuck you!
26:26Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:27I'm going to say no.
26:28I apologize, Max.
26:30I apologize to you, Max.
26:31I was going to say sorry.
26:34Yeah, Luke.
26:34Nobody else.
26:35Shut up.
26:36Go on.
26:36Sorry.
26:37She's your twin sister.
26:39Kerry?
26:40Your twin sister.
26:42Oh, for God's sake, woman.
26:45I'll go after her.
26:46Get off me.
26:46Yes, she will.
26:47You sit down for a minute.
26:49You're more...
26:49Backwards and forwards.
26:50I'm going to get fit doing this.
26:53What are you going to say to her?
26:55I'm saying I'm sorry, mate.
26:58Why can't...
26:58Why am I being funny?
27:00Why can't...
27:01I'm not being funny.
27:02Why can't you have a relationship
27:04away from you, no...
27:05It feels like I'm going to never spray down.
27:07All I want is a relationship
27:08away from Wayne
27:09and away from, you know who.
27:11I don't want to have to do it.
27:11I'm trying to attack the NASA.
27:13I don't want to have to do it with my partner.
27:14I don't want to have to do it with my partner.
27:14Can I say something?
27:15Kerry passed the test.
27:17Both questions.
27:18Listen.
27:19You just said something that's probably the most genius you've both said.
27:23Oi, look at me.
27:24Look at me.
27:25It doesn't matter who you're with.
27:27It doesn't matter whether you hate, despise or love the people that you're with
27:30or your twin is with.
27:33This is about girls who are supposed to be like that.
27:37And do you know something?
27:38Look at me.
27:40Everybody else has got involved.
27:41Your dad.
27:41Your dad.
27:42Your dad's absolute wish is for you two to put this aside and be sisters.
27:48Yes?
27:49Yeah.
27:49Can we try and work on that?
27:51I was trying to have a relationship with Dad, Monica, because I'm not being funny.
27:54Obviously, you know, this is getting ridiculous.
27:55Veronica, can we try and work on this?
27:58No?
27:59It doesn't say no.
28:00What do you say to your sister?
28:02Is it sorry?
28:03Yeah, she'd say sorry.
28:05She'd say sorry.
28:06It doesn't say sorry.
28:08I've still got wanes.
28:08Come on out, baby.
28:09Give them a round of applause.
28:16Alex, can I just ask you, right?
28:18That's just a beginning.
28:19That's just now.
28:21But Kerry, as you and Pete and Mary said, was telling the truth.
28:26Veronica's apologised.
28:27I don't, by the way, my friend in any way think that that's going to be perfect,
28:30but it's the start, right?
28:31Yeah.
28:32Yeah.
28:33How are you feeling?
28:35Relieved.
28:37In a sense.
28:39We've also got to do Wayne's results.
28:41Relieved that Kerry and Von...
28:42Well, they're talking at least.
28:46You know what they say about the world, don't you?
28:48Yeah.
28:49They say the world's about being as honest as you possibly can,
28:52and when you mess up...
28:54You mess up.
28:54You put your hands in the air.
28:55We asked Wayne, have you ever stolen money from Veronica's bag?
29:00He, too, said no.
29:01Why did you say no?
29:02I'm still in the truth.
29:02This test says you're alive.
29:07It wasn't...
29:08I really do, Wayne.
29:09I don't...
29:11I don't...
29:11What the...
29:12Oh my God!
29:14Sit down.
29:15It wasn't...
29:16I don't...
29:16I don't...
29:18I don't...
29:18It wasn't...
29:18It wasn't...
29:19Shut the...
29:19Up in it for once.
29:21I said that, but I...
29:22I didn't do...
29:23Don't shout at her.
29:25No, but he hasn't even seen me the whole time.
29:27Darling, darling, you lot wanted me to...
29:30...pically.
29:30Pete, Pete, I have done this in as calm a way as I can.
29:35And she passed, and she apologised, and I know you.
29:39He, it was, have you ever stolen money?
29:42And you failed, and you can F and Jeff all you want.
29:45Hold on, Alex.
29:46I have never stolen money.
29:47I have never stolen money.
29:48Be quiet.
29:49I can't see that.
29:50Be quiet.
29:51You didn't like the way you walked on.
29:52Why don't you admit it, and why don't you, but also, question him,
29:57because she...
29:57I've got nothing to admit.
29:59You stole the cash.
30:00I have not stolen money out of your bag.
30:02You're a scumbag, you really are.
30:05I have not stolen money out of your bag.
30:07I'm telling you that now.
30:09But it's a carry bag.
30:10I'm not being funny.
30:11Carry bags they wear, you know.
30:12I bet I'm not being funny.
30:13If he had stolen, I would have known about it.
30:14No, you wouldn't.
30:14Because it's not that you would have told me.
30:15No, you wouldn't.
30:16Pete, Pete, Pete.
30:17Pete, can you give me...
30:18Please be quiet.
30:19Can you give me a family balance for you?
30:20Because I watched you during that.
30:22I'm sorry, I didn't want to tell me.
30:23I'm not saying she's the Archangel Gabriel,
30:25because she's apologised, by the way.
30:26There's loads of work, but what do you make of that?
30:30Well, obviously, if she's done it, it's wrong,
30:31but I forgot to do with her,
30:32saying she's going to bring social services with me
30:34and my kids and that.
30:36You can be letting near your kids, love,
30:37to be fair with you, right, eh?
30:39If you want to do that, that's your...
30:40I've got nothing against her.
30:41You don't know what I mean, right?
30:42It's like, with my family,
30:43like you did on our show, love, right?
30:46You're talking.
30:47Oi, oi, Pete, you look to me...
30:49Sorry, Pete.
30:49I know, I just...
30:50I don't know.
30:51He interests me.
30:53Can you please be quiet?
30:59I can't see it, I'm sorry.
31:00Can you please also, Mary,
31:02because you've run on and off this stage,
31:04what's your response to that?
31:06Because she...
31:07Can everybody be quiet?
31:09I want to hear from Mary and Alex.
31:11Very, very surprised.
31:13I don't believe it, Mary,
31:14and I'll tell you two.
31:15I didn't...
31:15Oh, you don't believe it?
31:16What, so we're not supposed to believe
31:18you're telling the truth, are we?
31:19I'm telling you.
31:20So you believe yours, but not his.
31:22Think about it.
31:23He's been with me the whole time.
31:24Oh, yeah, of course he has.
31:26Alex, Alex, I didn't even expect that
31:28to come out like that.
31:29Can you give me your response?
31:30Because I tried to make the sisters see
31:31that they should rebuild it,
31:33and he's done that.
31:34I don't know, he's done it,
31:35whatever he says.
31:35What's your reaction?
31:37There's not I can say really, Jeremy.
31:39No, he hasn't done it.
31:40Would it be better if he admitted it?
31:42Yeah.
31:42He hasn't done it!
31:43That's what?
31:44Something I ain't done.
31:45Can't wait.
31:45Well, you are waiting.
31:46You have to wait.
31:47You just come back and you've lied.
31:49Hello, Aeson.
31:50One at a time.
31:51Can you?
31:52Are you incapable?
31:54Are you incapable?
31:54I'm telling the truth here.
31:56Yeah, but you just said
31:57you don't believe the lies of the sisters.
31:58I believe what mine says.
31:59I'm telling the truth.
32:01Yeah, so you believe yours,
32:02but you've got to leave.
32:03Right, Mary,
32:04I want you to take the thief,
32:07not near him,
32:08and I want you to look after him
32:08and Pete.
32:09Thank them for being on the show.
32:10You can go.
32:11You sit there.
32:11You two stay.
32:12You sit there.
32:13Thanks very much.
32:14Mary, don't believe it,
32:15because I don't.
32:15You're a liar, Wayne.
32:16No, it's not a movie.
32:19This is about you two,
32:21and before you say a word,
32:22before you whinge or scream,
32:23I want to speak to you.
32:24Pete.
32:26We came back here
32:27because of your call.
32:31Taking Shana out of the equation,
32:32because you didn't answer my question,
32:34you concentrated on that,
32:34and she made that thing,
32:35and I completely agree with you.
32:38I've got her making this accusation.
32:41You were absolutely right.
32:42Kerry hadn't done that.
32:43They had apologised.
32:44Your dad was looking quite pleased.
32:46Wayne's now using every expletive
32:48under the world
32:48to tell me that the test's wrong.
32:51Genuinely,
32:51I'm not asking you to take sides,
32:52but that must have...
32:54Can you be quiet?
32:55Obviously, he's done it.
32:55It's wrong.
32:56He's done it.
32:56Do you think at the beginning,
32:58today,
32:59shush,
33:00the most important thing for your dad,
33:02and I tried to say it in there,
33:04it doesn't really matter
33:04who they're with
33:05or what they think
33:06of their boyfriends.
33:07His most important thing
33:08is to get his family unit
33:10in shape, isn't it?
33:11Yeah.
33:12Guys, listen to me.
33:14What's the matter
33:15who you're with?
33:16If you don't,
33:17I don't know how else
33:18to say it to you.
33:19The only thing is
33:20that me and her is done.
33:21We're done.
33:22Yeah, that's your choice.
33:23What about you two?
33:25Um...
33:27Who said that?
33:28Shawna.
33:29She didn't steal from you.
33:32Her boyfriend might have done,
33:33your boyfriend might have done stuff,
33:35we all might have done stuff,
33:36but I am asking identical twins
33:38for the sake of your ill father
33:39to at least sit
33:40and have a decent conversation
33:42where you don't scream
33:43and you don't shout.
33:43Of course,
33:44you've made your mind up
33:45and other people
33:45have made their mind up,
33:46but he, to me,
33:47is the most important person
33:49and it's what he wants.
33:51Can't you at least
33:52go somewhere quietly
33:52with Graham
33:53and one of my team
33:54and stop screaming abuse
33:55at each other
33:56and try,
33:56even if it means
33:57at the end of this day
33:58you don't speak to each other
33:59ever again,
34:00but you don't slag each other off.
34:03You're not trying
34:03to score cheap points.
34:04I need an end to this.
34:06Do you not at least
34:06want to sit and do that?
34:08Yeah.
34:09You?
34:10Yeah.
34:11Promise?
34:12Yeah.
34:12That is what we will work on.
34:14I mean,
34:15I don't know about Pete, right,
34:18but I would have thought
34:18that you two should at least
34:20have so much in common
34:22and you've allowed
34:24relationships or whatever
34:25to get in the way.
34:26I'm not taking any side of it.
34:28She proves her innocence.
34:29That was a curveball
34:30that's done my head in,
34:31frankly.
34:33But you two are twins.
34:35I just can't understand
34:36why mine's telling
34:37twins that he's lying.
34:38Because forget him,
34:39let's concentrate on this.
34:41For the sake of Alex,
34:42can this war stop
34:43and can we try backstage
34:45to find some common ground
34:46as twins?
34:47Yes?
34:48Yes?
34:49Yeah, you can speak to dad
34:50as well.
34:50Shake on it.
34:52Shake on it.
34:53You will go that way
34:55and you will go that way
34:56and we'll do it.
34:56Pete, thanks, pal.
34:58Give him a round of applause.
35:02Well, let's hope
35:03that those two sisters
35:04can seriously get
35:05their relationship
35:06back on track.
35:07Let's continue with
35:07my next guest today,
35:08Tasha,
35:08who's here because she says
35:09her ex, Josh,
35:11refuses to accept
35:12he's the father
35:12of their 14-month-old daughter.
35:14Now, Tasha blames
35:15his interfering fiancé, Kelly,
35:16for trying to poison
35:17his mind against her,
35:18claiming that Josh has chosen
35:20his jealous
35:20and controlling fiancé
35:21over their child.
35:22She claims that her
35:23and Josh were
35:24in a secret relationship
35:25for over a year
35:26behind Kelly's back
35:27and she's here
35:28to out him
35:29as the love rat
35:30she claims he is
35:31and to prove
35:32he's the dad
35:33once and for all.
35:33Says,
35:34when she's done all of that,
35:35I ain't gonna let him
35:36or you, Kelly,
35:38have anything to do
35:39with my daughter.
35:39Strong words,
35:40big day.
35:41Tasha,
35:41who's been here before,
35:43is back on
35:43The Jeremy Kyle Show.
35:50How are you?
35:51Fine.
35:52Limey, you look determined.
35:54Let's make the...
35:54Yeah?
35:55Yeah.
35:55Right, let's get this...
35:56Be quiet.
35:57Right, please be quiet.
35:57Let's get this absolutely straight,
35:59right?
36:00How long were you
36:01and Josh together?
36:02About a year
36:02in, like,
36:03behind her back.
36:05Behind her back?
36:06Yeah.
36:06He said that he wasn't with her.
36:08Right, so let's get your story.
36:10You meet Josh,
36:11right,
36:11whose girlfriend
36:12of three years
36:13is Kelly.
36:14He says
36:15he's not...
36:16he's not with her at all.
36:18Yeah, he said he wasn't with her.
36:19You enter in a relationship
36:20with him.
36:21Mm-hmm.
36:21Baby planned or...
36:23Yeah.
36:24Why does he think
36:25he might not be?
36:26Because you say,
36:27I'm a...
36:27She's drummed it
36:28into his head
36:28that he's not.
36:29So what,
36:30it would be easy
36:30for her and him
36:31if you didn't have a baby
36:32if it wasn't his?
36:33Yeah.
36:34So today,
36:34weirdly,
36:35on The Jeremy Kyle Show,
36:36you are here to prove
36:37that Josh is the father
36:38of your baby.
36:39Yeah.
36:39You're also here to prove
36:40that you did sleep
36:41with him behind her back
36:42because he told you this
36:43and he told you that.
36:44Yeah.
36:45But then you go,
36:46well, I've done all of that.
36:47I don't want him
36:47anywhere near the kid.
36:48He's disgusting.
36:49Why?
36:50Because he's never stood up.
36:52He's never put a nappy
36:53on her back.
36:54He's disgusting.
36:56He's never done nothing
36:57in 40 months.
36:58He's seen the baby
36:58four times in 40 months.
37:00What the f***
37:01is that about?
37:02But you say,
37:04she's a mug,
37:05she's a tramp,
37:06I was seeing him
37:07behind her back.
37:08Why are you proud
37:08to be sleeping
37:09with somebody at...
37:10I didn't know
37:11he was with her
37:12at the time.
37:12He told me
37:13he wasn't in a relationship.
37:14He doesn't want
37:16to be on the stage.
37:18He's...
37:19Get out on the stage,
37:20you f***ing mug.
37:21You f***ing coffee,
37:22b***h.
37:23Why don't you get out here
37:24and stand up
37:25to what you've done?
37:26You can lie down
37:27and get me pregnant
37:28but you can't
37:29come out here.
37:36Come out here.
37:38Come out here.
37:40You are going to prove
37:42that he's the father
37:42to your child.
37:43You're also going to prove
37:44that you had sex with him
37:46behind her back
37:47because you weren't aware
37:48that he was with her
37:49which makes him a liar
37:50if you're telling the truth.
37:51I am telling the truth.
37:52Yeah?
37:52So you and Kelly,
37:54oh, there she is.
37:56Have you met before?
37:57Do you know what?
37:58I got on with her
37:59at the beginning.
38:00Did we or did we not?
38:02Did we get on?
38:04What?
38:05Did we get on or not?
38:06Yeah, but I helped you
38:07twice change that girl's nappy
38:09and I brought in twice
38:10to see that little girl.
38:11Yes, twice?
38:11No, they didn't.
38:13Twice?
38:13Twice, yeah,
38:14I changed your daughter's nappy twice.
38:16Twice?
38:17Twice?
38:17So you were sleeping
38:18with her boyfriend
38:19behind her back
38:20because he...
38:20Did his family hate you, though?
38:22What?
38:22Oh, do you know what?
38:23Let's get out here.
38:25I've got a day.
38:26Give her a round of applause.
38:33Come on, did his family not slag you off?
38:35No, he didn't, actually.
38:37So his family didn't slag you off?
38:38No, because they've not told me
38:39none of that.
38:39None of that.
38:40His family slagged you off
38:41and said Mia wasn't even all that?
38:43Do you know why they said that?
38:44Because they had doubts
38:44because I got forced to manage
38:46your...
38:46Well, then, he goes there.
38:47I have them all there.
38:48Excuse me, I don't care
38:50whether anybody...
38:51Oi, don't ever use
38:53such disgusting language
38:54on this show ever.
38:55All right, Dom?
39:00Can you help me out, right?
39:03You are with Josh, right?
39:05Yeah.
39:05She says she met him
39:07and he goes,
39:08Oh, I'm single, I'm not...
39:10And they get pregnant.
39:11Tell me you're single.
39:12Yeah, well, I'm not involved in on this.
39:14I've just come to see if the baby's is.
39:15That's it, then it's done and dusted.
39:16How do you feel about the fact
39:17that he had it off with her
39:18for 12 months behind your back?
39:19I'm not stopping him from seeing her, baby.
39:21I took her twice to see her, baby.
39:23Yeah, you did.
39:23Do you mind that he was having sex with her?
39:25Not really, no.
39:29I'm proud of him
39:30because he's still stopped by
39:31my little girl here.
39:32You're proud of him sleeping
39:32with somebody else
39:33while he's going out with you?
39:34Are you?
39:35Because I was with someone else.
39:36And you're doing my editing
39:37because you won't be on the show.
39:38I want to see the baby.
39:43Get out of here, come on.
39:49He doesn't want to be.
39:50You are...
39:51I've done nothing wrong.
39:52I will go...
39:54Hello?
39:54I will go and talk to him.
39:56Lose that picture of him
39:57in a minute, Matt, please.
39:58Can we talk about the baby?
39:59How old's the baby?
40:01My baby, 14 months.
40:03Do you believe that it's Josh's?
40:05I've had doubts
40:06and his family have had...
40:08Why have you got doubts?
40:09Why have you got doubts?
40:10Because apparently
40:11she was sleeping with other men
40:12and apparently...
40:13I've seen a video
40:16that she was having foursons
40:17with someone else.
40:18What?
40:19What did she say?
40:21Apparently, I've seen a video
40:22before foursons.
40:23Where have you seen this?
40:25No, mate.
40:27Who's that shouting?
40:28My mate.
40:29I am a fool.
40:29Katie's on the Jeremy Cowell show.
40:34I am more of a dad
40:36to that kid
40:37than he allowed to be.
40:38Come on.
40:39Get out of here now,
40:40lad.
40:40I'll come and find you.
40:41No, you won't.
40:42Sit down and shut up.
40:44He doesn't want to be on the show.
40:45Do you understand?
40:46And I have to respect
40:47people's wishes.
40:48Can we just get back
40:50to what we were saying, right?
40:51Mm-hmm.
40:52She says she met this bloke.
40:54He said he was single.
40:56They had sex
40:57in whichever way
40:58for however long
40:59in whatever position
41:00at whatever time
41:01of the day and night.
41:02I hope it comes back.
41:20support him
41:20if the kid is his
41:21in either way.
41:22What?
41:22Despite the fact
41:23he had sex with her
41:24for 12?
41:24He's not going to be
41:25in his relationship.
41:26Not a chance.
41:27So if she is in fact
41:28true and he's the father
41:29and they've had sex,
41:31you're all right.
41:31You're going to help
41:32support the baby
41:33and you're okay
41:33with him having sex
41:34for 12 months.
41:35Why would it bother me?
41:37But he was with you.
41:39I'm thinking
41:39he might do it again.
41:40But he hasn't.
41:42How do you know that then?
41:43Because I'm always...
41:44You lot stay there.
41:46I'm going to go
41:47and have a chat with him.
41:47You lot stay there
41:48because he doesn't want
41:49to be out on this stage.
41:50From my point of view
41:51here's a bloke
41:52with two women
41:52fighting over him
41:53and a baby
41:53stuck in the middle.
41:56Not really, no.
41:57I'll make this
41:58very brief
41:58and very quick.
41:59Did you tell Tasha
42:02when you were sleeping
42:03with her
42:04that you
42:05and Kelly
42:06were over?
42:07No.
42:08So you basically...
42:09She's lying.
42:10She's trying to get
42:11me and Kelly
42:12split up
42:12so she can...
42:13Are you the father
42:14of the baby?
42:14No.
42:15So you think
42:15she's made this up?
42:16She can't be pregnant.
42:18So you're saying
42:19it wasn't conventional sex
42:20and there's no way
42:21you can be the father?
42:22No.
42:23But if you are the father
42:24and she's telling the truth
42:25and you're lying...
42:26I will be there
42:27for the kid.
42:28All right, you hold that thought.
42:29In fact, I'll tell you what,
42:30all of you hold that thought.
42:31I'm going to a break.
42:31When I come back,
42:32we'll find out
42:32if he's telling the truth
42:33or she is.
42:34I'm right back.
42:34Don't go anywhere.
42:35We were going through
42:36a rough patch.
42:37He met Tasha.
42:38They got it on.
42:39He says
42:40he couldn't possibly
42:40have made you pregnant.
42:41I have to be careful
42:42because it's daytime
42:43because it wasn't
42:44conventional sex.
42:51This is Lee.
42:52She is George.
42:53He likes Choo Choo Thomas
42:55and can be found
42:55regularly jotting down
42:56numbers on the Brighton line.
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43:04Oh, you're so drunk.
43:06I'm all kidding.
43:07Hey, stir.
43:08Stir.
43:09Me.
43:12Me.
43:13This test says
43:14you're a liar, lady.
43:15My name's Jeremy
43:16and if you were my mother,
43:18I wouldn't want you there.
43:20It's a full out.
43:21She passed everywhere.
43:22You're a liar.
43:23You're a liar.
43:25You're a liar.
43:26You're a liar.
43:27We asked Jackie
43:28in the last two weeks
43:29have you passionately kissed Craig?
43:31She said yes.
43:32Yes.
43:33Why are you so angry?
43:34Oh, stop hitting
43:35ridiculous, kid.
43:37So you did, she?
43:38Because you admitted it.
43:39No, I don't talk about training.
43:41You admitted it.
43:43What was it that first
43:44attracted you to?
43:45His personality.
43:46That's it.
43:47Your baby's how old?
43:48Six months.
43:48No.
43:49No record.
43:50The truth.
43:51Are you crazy?
43:52Are you crazy?
43:53Mentally, you have battered
43:54this woman over the last
43:5511 months.
43:57The DNA test results
43:58show that Stephen...
44:00I'll show you.
44:02It's a full out.
44:04She passed every single time.
44:05Yeah.
44:26Do you need to find out
44:41who is the father
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45:23Thank you very much indeed.
45:24Welcome back.
45:25I'm backstage with Josh.
45:26So, in your mind,
45:27there's no way
45:28that you can be the father
45:29and then you want her
45:30out of your life, yeah?
45:31Kelly's forgiven you.
45:32Right.
45:32Stay there with Graham.
45:33Thank you very much indeed.
45:34I've got cameramen
45:34running at me.
45:36Right.
45:36I just wanted to clear that up.
45:37What a great way
45:38to describe it.
45:39Unconventional sex.
45:40Right.
45:40So, you and he
45:42are on that same hymn sheet
45:43which is
45:43we were going through
45:44a rough patch.
45:45He met Tasha.
45:46They got it on.
45:47He says
45:48he couldn't possibly
45:49have made you pregnant.
45:50I have to be careful
45:51because it's daytime
45:51because it wasn't
45:53conventional sex.
45:55But it was.
45:56Well, I don't know
45:57how you'd know.
45:58Because he was pregnant
45:59the day after.
46:00What?
46:00The day after
46:01he'd done what he did
46:02before.
46:02He bragged about it.
46:04What he'd done.
46:04How he'd done it.
46:06This, that,
46:06all the other.
46:07Do you think
46:08he is the father?
46:09Even if he is?
46:10How can he be
46:10if he had sex that way?
46:12Even if he is
46:12or if he's not.
46:13He can come and
46:14look after his little baby.
46:15Be easy of you
46:15if he wasn't, yeah?
46:16Yeah, because he'd be
46:17with his little baby
46:18with me and supporting her.
46:19Okay.
46:19You're a million percent
46:20sure that he's not,
46:22that he is the father, yeah?
46:23Yeah, he'll be not.
46:23And hope to God
46:24he looks after his little girl
46:25with me.
46:25That's all I want
46:26and I'm happy with that.
46:28Really am.
46:28Because he'll see
46:29his little baby with me.
46:29Can I do these results
46:30in a conventional way,
46:31William?
46:31Thank you very much indeed.
46:33That's what people come for.
46:34What are you saying now?
46:35I don't know
46:36what he's saying at all.
46:36I've lost the will
46:37to live, to be honest with you.
46:39The DNA test results show
46:40that the
46:41stop shouting
46:42is
46:43a man
46:44who admitted
46:45that
46:45in a
46:46off period
47:09but he made the point
47:10and I make the point again
47:12that the way they had sex
47:13meant that he couldn't
47:14possibly be the father.
47:15Well, surprise,
47:16surprise,
47:17he needs a biology lesson
47:18because he is
47:19the biological father.
47:20I can't put it
47:21on your face!
47:23I can't put it
47:24on your face!
47:25You said
47:25I don't want him
47:26anywhere near.
47:27No, I can't.
47:27Why?
47:28Because he's disgusting.
47:30Well, your behaviour
47:31wasn't exemplary,
47:32was it?
47:32He's the father
47:33of your child.
47:34Why don't you give him
47:35a chance to step up?
47:36Josh!
47:37What?
47:37Josh!
47:38You are the father,
47:39obviously.
47:40So, she says
47:41she can't see your kid.
47:43I don't want to see the kid.
47:45The kid's ugly.
47:45I don't want to see the kid.
47:46Sick!
47:47Piece of...
47:48Oh!
47:49Oh, you fuck!
47:50I'm not interested
47:50in talking to the kid,
47:51doesn't it?
47:52Don't bring it!
47:53Lose that...
47:55Enjoy it
47:55with a man
47:56who called her
47:56every name under the sun
47:58and said he doesn't
47:58want to see the baby.
48:03Can I say something to you?
48:05Perhaps I do believe,
48:07actually,
48:08having met you
48:09for a second time,
48:09I do believe
48:10that perhaps he told you
48:11he was single.
48:12I don't want to get
48:13into the personal issues.
48:14I know that you're
48:15a good mum
48:15and you have the reason
48:16to make the decisions
48:17but listen to me.
48:19Don't set yourself
48:20so short, mate.
48:21Okay?
48:22People do things
48:23in their lives,
48:23we've all done things.
48:24The way he talked
48:25about the kid
48:26and frankly,
48:26with respect,
48:27how dumb is she?
48:29It's all right
48:29my boyfriend's sleeping
48:30with somebody else
48:30but I love him
48:31as long as he looks
48:31after me as baby.
48:32Well, actually,
48:32love, probably he won't
48:33because he'll be out
48:34having sex with somebody else.
48:36Raise the bar,
48:37look after your kid
48:38and actually,
48:39you know what?
48:40I am thinking
48:41that you were absolutely right.
48:42Thank you for coming
48:42on the show.
48:43Give him a round of applause.
48:47And for this morning,
48:48out of time,
48:48don't forget if you want
48:49to be here on my...
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