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00:00On today's show
00:02You tell my team is a waste of space as a dad. He's only ever met his daughter twice
00:07Yeah, you ain't nothing. You've never seen her wait. I don't even know why
00:30Everyone I've beaten it, you've never beaten it. And there's nothing to do with you
00:38You don't even know
00:42Hey, hey
00:43You don't want to call me this
00:46No, I don't
00:47I'll be fine
00:50Damn your shit, damn it he's not
00:54Can you all shut up
01:12Thank you
01:19Good morning and a big big welcome to the show
01:21Our first guest today Lee is here
01:23Because she says her son's nightmare ex-girlfriend Shannon has banned her family from having access to a baby
01:29Lee says she is fed up of Shannon using the kid as a weapon is also demanding a DNA test
01:34and a drugs test from Shannon
01:35So much this story now listen Lee the mother potential grandmother
01:40Backstage a little bit nervous
01:41We're going to have a chat with her 41 years of age here defending her son Daniel and saying quite
01:46simply
01:46I don't know what's happened to this situation, but this Shannon is making our lives a misery
01:53Thank you team Lee. How are you?
01:55Hi, I'm fine. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, thanks for coming on nervous
01:58Yeah, we're gonna start you here because of that and we'll get you out later on
02:03Okay, yeah
02:04Daniel's your son Shannon is his ex just before we get into details how old is the baby?
02:11A year old just gone
02:12What's your feeling? Your opening line to my team was I hate Shannon why?
02:16Because she's just making my son's life a mystery making him ill and banning us from seeing
02:22You say she uses your grandchild as a pawn?
02:25Yeah
02:26Sorry
02:26You haven't been allowed to see this child?
02:33No
02:33You say she's vindictive. She hasn't put my son on the birth certificate
02:37You actually saw a picture of her taking drugs
02:40There's so much stuff that you as a grandmother and a mother are unhappy about
02:45Yeah
02:46You have no idea why she stopped the contact, do you?
02:50No, none at all. I wish I did
02:52Is your son a good dad?
02:54Yeah, from what I know, yeah
02:56But for you as a grandmother you have no idea why this woman is using this kid as a weapon
03:01No, no
03:01You told my team something that I think a lot of people watching this will be able to identify with
03:06It seems that access is always on her terms
03:08Yeah
03:09And that Daniel and the rest of the family have been forced into a corner
03:15Yeah, definitely
03:16And is there any reason why she feels able to do this?
03:20In your mind is there any reason or is it just immature vindictiveness?
03:24Immature and vindictive and obviously she got lazy me which is a massive hold over us
03:30Let's talk about the video of your granddaughter's first birthday
03:34She
03:34I had a phone call saying that I should install Instagram and watch a video which she had
03:42Which Shannon had put up so I did
03:44And it was heartbreaking she turned round and lazy me was in a high chair
03:50And you had Shannon filming saying do you know who your dad is?
03:53And there's a man shaking her head
03:56And erm...
03:57She said do you know who your dad is?
03:59And there's a man again
03:59That's disgusting using the kid on film
04:01It was on her first birthday
04:03March
04:05You got cards, you got presents, you want that contact
04:09Oh definitely
04:09You say it's not fair
04:10That's why you're here
04:12Yeah
04:12Is Daniel strong or is he wrapped round her little finger?
04:16Erm...
04:16Is he still in love with her?
04:17Oh definitely no, no, no
04:19I can 100% say that it's the baby
04:22What do you make of her as a mother?
04:24You're a mother, you're a grandmother, what do you make of her as a mother?
04:26At the moment I find her very immature
04:29Do you worry about the child?
04:31Definitely wouldn't
04:33I'm a grandmother at the end of the day
04:34And of course I worry about her
04:36Told my team something which really, you know, resonated with me this morning
04:41That you've been stuck between wanting to...
04:45She was in
04:45You want to... you felt so angry
04:47You've wanted to phone social services
04:49Yeah
04:49You just don't know what to do
04:51No, exactly I do
04:52And if I hear any more stories I will be ringing them
04:56Tell me about the incident when the child went to hospital
04:59Erm...
05:00I had a phone call off Daniel
05:02He was in a state of panic saying that
05:05He just had a phone call saying Lacey May was in hospital
05:08And we found out then that
05:10She'd fallen out of a cot when she was about 6 months old
05:14Ceases to amaze me that is
05:16And then 2 o'clock in the morning
05:19The police were knocking on Shannon's door
05:21To take Lacey May back into hospital
05:23Because they'd walked out with us without having...
05:26The right checks
05:28Yeah, yeah
05:29Today you want this girl drug tested?
05:31Yeah, definitely
05:32Why do you want a DNA test?
05:33Apparently she... she was seeing other people be on my son's back
05:40And erm...
05:41Told my team and I like this and I don't care what anybody thinks
05:43If I... I'm completely on your side with this
05:45He said if that woman fails the drugs test today
05:48I will do whatever it takes
05:50And however long it takes to get custody with my son of that child
05:53Yeah, definitely
05:54Because I do not want a child around that
05:55Definitely, yeah
05:56I will
05:58Alright, listen, listen
05:59I'm going to talk to her
06:00I want you to watch
06:01And I want you to understand one thing
06:02It's very easy for us
06:03We do it every single day
06:04But I know how much you love this kit
06:05And I want you to gather yourself together with Graham and the team
06:09And I want you out there later for the sake of your grandchild
06:11Yeah, okay
06:11Give her a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen
06:18Really easy
06:19Really easy on this show
06:21To hear one side
06:22And then think that's it
06:23She
06:24A grandmother in bits to be perfectly honest
06:26Saying that
06:27You know this Shannon at 19 is immature
06:29She's vindictive
06:30She uses this kid as a weapon
06:31She has genuine concerns
06:33This woman takes drugs
06:34Using the kid as a pawn
06:35She says unless I get the answers I want today
06:38I will go to the authorities
06:39Shannon's on the Jeremy Kyle Show
06:41That way
06:48I want to hear your side of this story
06:50I can't leave all this
06:51Every little bit of his lies
06:54Do me a favour
06:55The people in the pod
06:56Be quiet I'll get to you
06:58Seriously
06:58You're 19 years of age
06:59How long were you with Lee's son for Daniel?
07:02About 7 to 8 months
07:03Yeah?
07:03Yeah
07:03Why are you stopping them from seeing the kid, darling?
07:06I'm not
07:06It's because
07:07Dan's had so many chances
07:09It's unreal
07:09I've given him so many
07:10And he just haven't turned up
07:12You tell my team
07:13He's a waste of space as a dad
07:15He's only ever met his daughter twice
07:16Yeah
07:17In a year?
07:18Yeah
07:18He's never provided
07:19She doesn't even know who he is
07:20He's never provided for her
07:22Why?
07:23Oi!
07:24I will get to all of you
07:25Shut up
07:26I want to hear her
07:26Or you won't come out
07:28He's just not interested
07:29You're more interested in the car
07:30Let's go back
07:30When you were with him it was alright
07:32Yeah?
07:32It was alright, yeah but
07:34Was the pregnancy planned?
07:35Yeah
07:36All planned
07:36It was planned
07:37He agreed to her
07:38He was excited and everything
07:40But now it's
07:40It's all my team's relationship wasn't great
07:42He used to lock you indoors
07:43What is the truth?
07:44Was it good or was it bad?
07:45It was bad
07:45He used to take a case to work
07:46Why did you get pregnant with his baby then
07:48If it was such a nightmare?
07:50I don't know
07:50Why was you planning to have a baby with a man that locks you in a flat?
07:53You know I just wanted something to make me look better person I suppose
07:57And then it gets worse
07:58The day you found
07:59This is outrageous
07:59And everybody be quiet
08:01The day that you found out you were pregnant
08:02Tell the audience here and at home what you discovered
08:04I found out he sent pictures of his penis to another girl
08:07And she sent it all to me screenshot everything
08:10And in a few hours later then I found out I was pregnant
08:13His mother didn't mention that
08:14He sent pictures of his bits to another woman the day that you found out
08:17I had all the proof of everything
08:19She sent it all to me
08:19And I was disgusted
08:21You told my team his bits are so small
08:22It was like looking at a party popper
08:26So you had a baby with a man who's got a penis like a party popper
08:29And he locked you in a flat?
08:31That's disgusting
08:33Who's that?
08:34You ain't nothing
08:35You've never seen her
08:36Why
08:36I don't even know why you're bothered now
08:37Why are you bothered now?
08:40Why are you bothered now?
08:40Why are you bothered now?
08:40Waste of a spouse of a father
08:41Who's that there?
08:43First down sister Gemma
08:44She's not interested
08:45So he's saying absolutely nothing
08:47And the sister
08:48Oi
08:48Oi
08:48Stop gobbin' off
08:49It's not about you at the moment
08:50It's about him
08:51You say
08:52They haven't bothered
08:53They haven't bothered
09:26Come on man your mummy's had her say
09:27She was quite upset
09:28You haven't said Jack
09:29Hiding behind your sister
09:31And your mother
09:31Basically yeah where it was
09:32At the start of the relationship
09:33You're with space Dan
09:35I don't know where space
09:35Yeah you are
09:36She doesn't know who you are
09:38Yeah
09:39You're a stranger to
09:42I don't care what they've said
09:44Sit down and be quiet until I say you can speak now
09:48I made you come here
09:50I made you come here
09:50Yes I did
09:50I said I got to my mates solicitor
09:52Sorry let's just go back right
09:53Did you lock her in the flat?
09:55No I did
09:56Did you lock her in the flat?
09:58I did lock her in the flat
09:58The only time she's in the flat
09:59Who is that?
10:00My sister
10:00Tell her to shut it or she's gone
10:03You planned to have a baby you two yeah?
10:06Five and four yeah
10:06Why?
10:07So at the start it was tidy yeah?
10:09How long was it alright this relationship for?
10:11It was like for about three months if that
10:12If you don't tell your friends to shut up this ain't going to happen
10:15Early don't mine here
10:16Seriously be quiet or you're not coming out
10:18I don't care what you say
10:19The next person to speak is out of this building
10:22I want to hear what he says
10:26I was working flat all the time
10:28She got kicked out of her house
10:29Because her mother was going back and forth
10:37Did you lock her in the flat?
10:39When I went to work twice on occasion in an accident
10:41I left the key in my pocket
10:43No
10:43No
10:43I didn't mean to intentionally lock her in the house
10:45Why would you plan a baby with a woman you say you weren't happy with
10:48Or you say it was alright?
10:49I was happy at the start
10:50And then they all started coming out
10:52So why haven't you seen
10:53Why are you coming on a show pretending you're a perfect following?
10:55She don't even know who you are
10:56I'm not a perfect father
10:56I put up on Facebook
10:57She doesn't have a clue
10:57Forget Facebook
10:58Why haven't you seen the child?
11:00Why only twice in a year?
11:01Why?
11:02Twice is actually about four or five times
11:03How much money have you given this child?
11:05Nothing
11:05Nothing
11:07You don't know if it's yours
11:08Because when we split up
11:10Yeah
11:10My mate from Barga milled me
11:11Asked for the DNA
11:12When he offered a penny
11:13I said I paid for it because you weren't even interested
11:15Why would you need to do a DNA
11:17I paid to prove to him that it's his
11:18Listen to her
11:20If the child is yours
11:21Right?
11:22Why haven't you paid a penny?
11:23And why haven't you
11:24In my heart
11:25I believe
11:26Why have you not done a DNA before?
11:28So now
11:28First of all you said no
11:29Why only now Dan?
11:31Why have you only now agreed to it?
11:32I said it the other day
11:33I said it the other day
11:33So why are you here today?
11:34To prove that as soon as I have this
11:36Because Barg's here is mine
11:37I want access to the baby
11:38Do you have concerns about this child?
11:40Your mother does
11:40Your mother says that she uses
11:42What are the concerns then?
11:43I've been there every day of her life
11:44What concerns?
11:45You've been there every day of her life
11:45Yeah
11:45The concern I got is when she fell out of the cot
11:47He's up hospital
11:47We've done it random from hospital
11:48Right
11:50Can I
11:50Can I go to a break?
11:52Yeah
11:53Is that alright?
11:53We've got loads of people coming out
11:55We've got your sister on her side
11:57Another sister on your side
11:58We've got a mother and a gobby friend
12:00Back after the break
12:01Will you be
12:02You want to quit on a car?
12:03Sit down
12:04Sit down
12:04Is that your sister?
12:05Nor she's nothing to do with you
12:07And she never will be
12:08Sit down
12:09She's nothing
12:09She doesn't know
12:11Sit down
12:11Sit down
12:13Oi
12:13Can't sit down until I tell you you can come out
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12:54Welcome back for the break
12:55Talking to exes at war
12:56Shannon and Daniel
12:56This kid is the year
12:57Whatever ever comes out of today
12:59It is not acceptable
13:01That A and one apparently
13:02There's doubt in who's the father
13:03And B and two a year down the line
13:05You've only seen your daughter four times
13:06You haven't paid a penny
13:08It's not good enough is it?
13:09It's not good enough no
13:09Do you have concerns about her as a mother?
13:12I have
13:12Why haven't you been in court from day one getting custody?
13:17Who found this show?
13:19Me
13:19She found this show yeah
13:20Why would she ring the show if you're so concerned to see a kid?
13:23Because I basically
13:23Why didn't you ring the show a year ago?
13:25I didn't want to come on the show
13:26If I wanted to do it through the courts
13:27And she wouldn't do it through the courts
13:28A whole year's talking time
13:30Is Ellie your sister?
13:32Ellie is my sister
13:33I'm going to talk to her
13:33Oh your sister Ellie
13:35Happens to be on her side
13:36Ellie's on the Jeremy car train
13:37That way
13:40You've never been there
13:42I've been all of a mother
13:43You've never been
13:44You day one I've been there
13:46You've never been there
13:48Where have you been
13:49You want to quit on the car
13:50Sit down
13:51Sit down
14:05Oi
14:07Go and sit down until I tell her you can come out
14:09You're his sister
14:10Why don't you be quiet
14:11Why aren't you defending him?
14:12Because he's not been ever a brother to me
14:14Never
14:14Never been there
14:16Tom, my team is full of empty promises
14:18Yes
14:18No brother, no father, nothing
14:20Nothing
14:21He promises to go see her
14:22Or promises to see people
14:23And he never does
14:24Yeah they'll promise
14:25They'll keep you there day in day out
14:27You're waked in by the door
14:28Shut up
14:29Waked in to see him
14:30He doesn't turn up
14:31Just like she did
14:32So what you're saying is
14:33Is that actually
14:34Your mother is lying
14:35He's lying
14:35He doesn't make enough
14:37She's not my mum
14:38Different mothers
14:39Same father
14:39Same father
14:42All I said
14:43All I said
14:45Most people would tune in
14:46And assume that you would
14:47Support your brother
14:48And say this woman
14:49And just
14:50Everybody shut up
14:51This woman is no good
14:53You say she's a great mother
14:54She's brilliant ma'am
14:55She's brilliant
14:56Every day she's here with our baby
14:58And she is just brilliant
15:00I've seen her with the baby
15:01And it's amazing
15:04Honest to God
15:04If you see her with our baby
15:06She is amazing
15:06So what is it about him then?
15:08He says she's using the kid as a weapon
15:10She's not
15:10You say you haven't spoken to Daniel or Gemma
15:12Your other sister for five years
15:13Why?
15:14Because they say they're coming
15:15Shut up
15:16They're coming to see you
15:18They're coming to see you
15:19You're waiting there
15:19By the windowsill for hours on end
15:21And they don't turn up
15:22You ring them
15:23Are you coming to see me?
15:24No I'm busy
15:25Like always
15:25So he basically makes no effort
15:27And she's in the right?
15:28Nothing at all
15:29What about his DNA?
15:30Why are we doing a DNA?
15:31Because he keeps saying it's not his child
15:32Use it against them
15:34Right so you and Gemma
15:35She's also your sister
15:36But you and she don't get on
15:38You're saying they're as bad as each other
15:39This woman's a good mother
15:40The kid is definitely is
15:42And he's never
15:43You haven't said a word since she came out
15:45Yeah I haven't said a word
15:45That's your sister
15:46What's the matter with you?
15:47Because I don't talk to her
15:48I literally don't talk to her
15:49Well it might help us
15:49But it's a talk show
15:51I never once slept alone
15:54I had no way to get out the house
15:55To sleep around
15:56But why did you come back
15:58When you supposedly went up your nans
15:59Or whatever it was
16:00So you've got different
16:01What do you make of Daniel and Gemma's mother?
16:04I've got an opinion on her myself
16:06From what I've experienced
16:08Oh shut up
16:09From what I know as what she did
16:11When she was
16:12When they were younger
16:12But
16:14And there's nothing to do with you
16:16You f***ing
16:17She neglected them
16:18That's why they lied very far
16:19She went to Butlin's
16:21With all her friends
16:21Partying and whatever
16:22And let it go
16:26You're telling them to me now
16:27You don't even know
16:28You've been all right
16:29See what my mother does
16:31In her personal life
16:32You don't even know
16:33I don't even know
16:34I don't even know
16:34You've got to shift off
16:37She went to balance
16:38For a weekly
16:39With all her friends
16:40Because
16:41Whatever
16:41Whatever
16:43I'm sorry
16:43Are you going to
16:44Are you going to come on the show?
16:46Well when I want me to
16:47Yeah
16:47Gemma's on the Jeremy Carr show
16:49Get around
16:54So you're sticking up for him
16:55And that is
16:56She says he's hopeless
16:57Yeah well they would
16:58Wouldn't they?
16:58Because they're all
16:59Plus they sell
16:59Has he been there once?
17:02No
17:03No
17:03No
17:03No
17:03No
17:05Why does your brother
17:07Speak up for himself
17:08Why has he got you
17:09I don't even know
17:11I don't even know
17:11Because I'm the one with the
17:12That's the problem
17:13They got all it all
17:14So I have it all
17:15So you're saying that they've
17:16She's used the kid as a weapon
17:18Yes she has
17:18He hasn't paid a penny for this show
17:20It doesn't matter
17:20She didn't pay a penny
17:21He didn't phone this show for a DNA test did he?
17:23Yeah because he wants to pay for a private
17:25So he's a good dad and she stopped
17:27No she's not a good dad
17:27He's not a good dad
17:28Because he hasn't been there
17:29I've never said that
17:29Exactly
17:29I've never said that
17:32One at a time
17:33I'm not letting him try into you
17:35She blocked him off Facebook
17:36No
17:37I've been messaging him
17:38I have all the messages
17:40Asking him
17:40Begging him
17:41To come and see him
17:42You blocked him
17:43You blocked him
17:44Who's that now?
17:45My mother
17:46Come out Cher
17:46You're too scared to hide him
17:48In the room
17:48He's coming out Cher
17:49I will
17:50Decklash
17:51Come out Cher
17:52Who's Siobhan?
17:52My mother
17:53The grandmother?
17:54Yeah
17:54Siobhan's on the Jeremy Kyle chat that way
18:02Where's your view of this?
18:03He's never been there for
18:04Shut your mouth
18:06You ain't been there for
18:06I don't talk to my mother like that
18:08I'm going to tell you
18:09You're right
18:09You're right
18:10You're right
18:12Hey
18:13Hey
18:13Hey
18:14You can
18:22If you do that
18:23You won't fear that
18:24Part your backside and shut up
18:26Get her a Cher
18:27And by the way
18:29I will
18:29I will
18:30I will
18:30I will
18:30I will
18:31I will
18:33I will
18:34I will
18:35I will
18:37I will
18:38I will
18:38I will
18:44I will
18:45I will
18:47I will
18:48I will
18:48I will
18:48Shut up
18:51Uh
18:52Excuse me
18:53Sit
18:54Shut up
18:55Shut up
18:55Shut up
18:56Shut up
18:56You don't even know my daughter
18:58I will
19:03you've gone from being emotional to call it
19:11I've never seen too great
19:34just one thing that matters to me excuse me move the camera
19:38you've got the make-up all over your shirt Dan
19:43you'll have to change that
19:45bet you never thought I'd be rubbing your nipple on national television
20:00can you all stop talking
20:11she has never touched
20:15I don't test
20:34shut up
20:37shut up
20:42what we've got to anybody is
20:45we've got and you say nothing
20:46you and she decide to have a baby
20:49right
20:50that baby is a year of age
20:52by anybody's standards
20:53only seeing the kid four times
20:55is not enough
20:56don't say it
20:57shut up
20:58are you going to be quiet
21:01or are you all going to do one
21:02because I'm losing my rag
21:04why haven't you seen the kid more
21:06she won't let me basically
21:07why haven't you come to a show like this
21:09be quiet
21:11shut up
21:13go on
21:14what I've been doing is basically asking Felp non-stop
21:16asking solicitors where he stands
21:18seriously be quiet
21:25right
21:27what sort of mother do you make her as
21:29as far as I can tell
21:30as far as you can tell
21:32because you haven't been here
21:32let me put a question to you mum right
21:35be quiet
21:36why hasn't your son done more in the last year
21:39because she hasn't allowed him to
21:40she says she has
21:41no she has
21:42why not
21:43why not
21:43she talked us all off Facebook
21:45she told me
21:47during her inbox
21:48are you going to shut up
21:50she told me in her inbox
21:53my family was all pathetic
21:55why are you crying
21:56you've been giving it a large
21:57angry about what
21:59what do you mean what that
22:01what do you mean that
22:02what do you mean that
22:02joyful messages to her
22:06nasty spiteful messages
22:08excuse me
22:09I've seen the messages myself
22:11shut up
22:12nasty messages to her
22:13you left your son so
22:15there we are
22:15Gemma was better
22:16Gemma you threatened her
22:18what did
22:19what did
22:19be quiet
22:20what did the messages say
22:21she was threatening her
22:23excuse me
22:23oh me
22:24Gemma was threatening my daughter
22:26were you
22:26yeah who did
22:27you threatened her
22:28I said true
22:30I've been getting her way
22:30around now
22:31baby
22:32you were saying you was going to kick
22:34I said I was going to take you to court
22:36to get rights over that baby
22:38yes
22:38you said that
22:39you can easily pick her
22:40and lift her
22:41why is it that you say nothing
22:43I wasn't stealing it
22:44I was talking about it
22:46I was talking about it
22:48let's love a boy speaking
22:49I lost my whole job
22:50because of all this going on all the time
22:51yeah
22:51you lost your job
22:52so you can't provide for you
22:54yeah I can't
22:54I got
22:59sorry who are you
23:00Hannah's best friend
23:03go on
23:03what's your view
23:06you useless basically
23:07well let's do that slightly differently
23:08she wants to watch a barge
23:10who's useless
23:10Dan
23:11why
23:11because he hasn't been there
23:13shut up
23:13what
23:14because he hasn't been there
23:15they say she won't let him be there
23:17I've seen the messages
23:18which messages
23:19that Shannon's been begging him
23:21just go and see her
23:22what sort of mother is she
23:23she couldn't see her son
23:25if she could see her granddaughter
23:26I had to pick
23:27I couldn't see my brother
23:28I've seen all the messages
23:30she waited in a week for you
23:31and why are you not out here
23:33she waited a week for you
23:34to go and see you later
23:35no
23:35not at all
23:40shut up
23:40I'm not talking to you
23:43it's baby not for you
23:44right
23:44why are we going to shut up
23:47you can't sit
23:48I'm right for that rat
23:50I tell you to shut up
23:52after what you've done to my daughter
23:54then you don't watch it
23:55you ask
23:56you
23:56locked it in the house
23:58yes
23:58yes you did lock it in the house
24:00when he was going to work
24:01you
24:01you kicked out for a striker
24:04yes you did
24:05and that's nothing to do with this show
24:07we're here for my daughter
24:08exactly for your daughter
24:11you can't hear yourself
24:13you're a perfect father
24:14can you give me the camera
24:16please
24:17aye
24:18aye
24:19so today we're doing a DNA test right
24:21yeah
24:21which you could have done a year ago
24:24yeah
24:24who's doing a drugs test
24:25why
24:27because he's on drugs
24:28do you reckon he's on drugs
24:29we got DNA
24:30we got drugs test
24:31we're coming back in a minute
24:32don't go anywhere
24:33I'm angry at the way
24:34your son has treated my daughter
24:36and I've seen the evidence of it
24:37it's not about point scoring
24:39it's about a kid
24:40you two can do this
24:41that's the job you need to do as mothers
24:44okay
24:44together
24:45come with me
24:46the DNA test results show that Daniel
24:56do you need to find out who is the father of the baby
24:59do you need that all important DNA test
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25:31I've done this for a long time
25:33I don't think I've ever heard anything in my life
25:34you just said to her
25:35why don't you shut your mouth
25:36and get back in the skit
25:37where you came from
25:39where's your mother gone
25:40she's gone off to get a drink
25:41she's gone
25:42oh my god
25:45this isn't a joke is it
25:47this is about a child
25:48she's upset
25:49well it is isn't it
25:51why is this just some big battle
25:52she's a parent child
25:53all you do is talk
25:55a complete pile of rubbish
26:00I didn't upset you right
26:02but you sit back there
26:03and these people tell me
26:04that you're a little bit upset
26:05and then you came out there
26:06and you effed
26:06and you jeff
26:07what the hell is going on here
26:08I'm separating them from my kids
26:10and what's going on here
26:11I want to see my granddaughter
26:12I understand that
26:14Siobhan
26:15Siobhan
26:16come here
26:16I'm not quite sure
26:17that I've ever had two grandmothers
26:19talking to each other
26:20like that on this show
26:21can you sit there please
26:25this is ridiculous
26:27no worries
26:28Jeremy listen right
26:30look you don't even know me
26:31Siobhan
26:31Siobhan please
26:32we're you for losing me
26:34yeah I know we're for losing me right
26:35I don't worry you any of you
26:37I'm angry I'm angry at the way
26:38your son has treated my daughter
26:40and I've seen the evidence of it
26:42yeah but have you seen it
26:43it's not as though I haven't seen it
26:44oh John oh John
26:45I'm really angry about it
26:46as an adult right
26:47as an adult
26:47let's speak as an adult right
26:49okay
26:50stop the tears right
26:52stop the tears
26:53but listen to me
26:54you are the answer to this
26:56pile of rubbish
26:57it is
26:58but I call you a daughter
27:00calling me
27:02does it matter about words
27:04does it matter about words
27:06it's made me angry
27:07the way your son's treated my daughter
27:09and I've seen the evidence
27:10what do you think about the way
27:11have you not both as grandmothers
27:13are you not old enough to have said
27:15do you know what I need
27:17I need you both to stop scoring points
27:20think of Lacey May
27:21and get out there
27:22and get your kids
27:24to stop scoring points
27:25with whoever's on their side
27:27and put the kid
27:28at the top of their priorities
27:30that's what you grandmothers need to do
27:32you know
27:32you haven't seen her
27:34you haven't been there
27:36not because
27:37have you not
27:39have you not
27:41are you not
27:41intelligent enough
27:43to admit
27:43that both of your children
27:45have made mistakes
27:46yes
27:46definitely
27:47yes
27:47then why don't you two
27:49as grandmothers
27:50do the right thing
27:51and get out there
27:52and get them
27:53to concentrate
27:54the DNA
27:55the drugs test
27:56and put aside
27:57your daughter Gemma
27:58screaming and shouting
27:59Ellie
28:00it's not about point scoring
28:02it's about a kid
28:03I need you two
28:04yeah well you two can get
28:06you two can do this
28:07that's the job you need to do
28:09as mothers
28:10okay
28:10together
28:11come with me
28:12do it
28:13come on
28:16tell them
28:18tell them
28:20please kids
28:21please
28:23look what you're doing to us
28:25you need to
28:25you two need to
28:26you two need to
28:26you two need to
28:26you two need to
28:27you're not being funny right
28:28listen
28:29listen
28:30even though
28:30right we're all angry
28:31all of us are angry right
28:33listen
28:33you know yourself right
28:35you haven't been known
28:36you ain't stepped up to be a father
28:37this is my daughter
28:38they're gonna put you
28:40and I'm gonna protect my daughter right
28:41but listen to me now right
28:42you need to step up
28:44and show you want to be a father
28:45listen to her
28:47you need to step up
28:48and show you want to be a dad
28:49not say
28:50oh sorry I gotta go and buy an exhaust
28:51for two grand
28:52and then
28:53and then
28:53all right
28:54and then
28:54and then
28:54all right
28:55and then speak to Shannon
28:56and listen
28:57please stop using her as a
28:59punishment
29:00you are
29:00you said
29:01you said
29:03I will
29:03you said
29:04hold on
29:05hold on
29:06you can't punish the grandmother
29:11because you don't like the boyfriend
29:13do you understand
29:14she keeps letting her down as well
29:16they're letting her down
29:18and this is why Shannon
29:18is a bit
29:19I wait in all the time
29:20I'm asking them
29:21Ellie be quiet
29:23Ellie be quiet
29:24can I just say something
29:26can we just listen to her
29:27and nobody else
29:28just
29:28is this woman
29:29is she
29:30she benefit your daughter
29:32she's got
29:33no
29:33she's just come out here
29:35they've just
29:35honestly
29:36it's her grandmother
29:37look at her
29:38that's not false
29:39I'm not interested about the points
29:40going
29:40it's the grandmother saying
29:41she wants to see her grandchild
29:42she's got more effort to see her then
29:44that's what we're trying to do
29:46I live long hours
29:47with birthday cards here
29:48and a Christmas card right
29:50you need to step up
29:51and be the grandmother you're meant to be
29:53and you need to step up
29:53let me just say something to you
29:56in December I text you
29:58I want those
29:59you're starting
30:00you've got to take it
30:00you've got to take it
30:02you've got to say to him
30:03if it comes back
30:04I'll step up
30:05shh shh
30:06I'll step up when I know
30:08if I'm the father
30:09he should have done this
30:10at two days of age
30:11he should have done this
30:13come on
30:13listen to your mother
30:15he wanted to play private deal
30:17I don't believe this woman
30:19has any other interest
30:20but this child
30:21and I agree with that
30:22take a seat
30:23we're going to do the DNA
30:23this is ridiculous
30:24it's gone on too long
30:27I understand where you're coming from
30:28and you
30:29but it doesn't help the situation
30:30the shouting and the scream
30:31the reason I haven't been there
30:33no bugs
30:33well the reason I haven't
30:35obviously yeah
30:35I had two things
30:36that I didn't turn up for
30:37and that's my personal life
30:38and she doesn't need to know
30:39but I did explain the side of it
30:40can we just shout out
30:41for the rest of you
30:41and look at why we're here
30:43you're of age
30:44and you don't know the truth pal
30:45it's disgusting
30:46I know it's disgusting
30:48the DNA test results
30:50show that Daniel
30:52that is your daughter
30:58right now it's you and me
31:00and nobody else
31:01nobody else
31:01don't say a word
31:02what's the first thing
31:03out of your mouth
31:04I'm sorry for this
31:05agreeing
31:06I am very sorry for that
31:07okay
31:08we did drugs tests on you
31:10we did drugs tests on you
31:11because of all the accusations
31:13both of you completely clean
31:15alright
31:20now I am going to do this
31:22you two that way
31:24thank you very much indeed
31:25you two that way
31:26stay
31:29I've done this for so long
31:31I could write this script
31:32couple get together
31:34have baby
31:36problems start
31:37and then the family
31:38just get involved
31:39everybody has a point to prove
31:42everybody has something to say
31:43he's this she's that
31:45look at her
31:46look at your daughter
31:47people
31:47have a look at her
31:49look at her eyes
31:52you haven't done enough
31:53no I haven't done
31:54right
31:55I don't know
31:57whether you've played games
31:58I'm not interested now
31:59about who's right
32:00or who's wrong
32:01you both want
32:03the same thing
32:05and I have no understanding
32:07why you can't make that happen
32:09with our help
32:10this is the last chance
32:10old Jeremy
32:11fine fine
32:11but let's not make it a war
32:12can he see her
32:13yeah
32:16can he see her now
32:17yeah
32:18listen to me
32:19listen to me
32:20I don't give a damn
32:22about what's gone on
32:24when this happens
32:25and you sit with the team
32:27and you make a plan
32:28the first time you make an excuse
32:31or the family get involved
32:33you blow it
32:34do you understand
32:35I understand
32:35she doesn't care about the argument
32:37she just cares about her dad
32:38you two need to understand
32:41that as long as you slag each other off
32:43the only person who's going to end up hurt is her
32:45the minute you walk in that door
32:47that's it
32:48your family
32:49have to shut up
32:52can his mother see the child
32:54thank you
32:56all of them though
32:57it's their last chance
32:58they've been given so many factors
32:59I'm going to take the father
33:00and the mother
33:01the father and the grandmother
33:02and you
33:03I don't want to hear anybody else
33:04shout and scream
33:06Lee
33:06yeah
33:07come here
33:11what do you say to her
33:14see Tashana
33:15we're going to go and see the child
33:17what do you say to her
33:17thank you
33:19three of you this way
33:20nobody shouts
33:21bring your mum
33:22bring your mum
33:26look I
33:27be respectful as the mother of your child
33:30and for people who think that this show
33:33is too loud sometimes
33:34I would far rather
33:35what happened just happened
33:37right
33:39wait for your mother
33:40you're a good mother
33:41and from the minute you go through this door
33:43do you understand
33:44all that rubbish
33:44that has to go
33:45yeah
33:46definitely
33:46thank you
33:47how long has it been since you saw your daughter
33:49six months
33:50seven months
33:50how long has it since you saw your granddaughter
33:52it was
33:54just before they went away on a holiday
33:56thank you
34:06hello
34:08hello
34:09hello
34:10hello
34:11hello darling
34:12hello
34:12sweetheart
34:15hello
34:15she's beautiful
34:17she's beautiful
34:18said this all along
34:21so you can see why you can't run people in the night
34:23what did I say to you outside
34:25hello
34:25it's about now
34:26it's not about them
34:29hello
34:31hello
34:31hello
34:33say something
34:40no no
34:41no no
34:41too much
34:42too much
34:42too soon
34:42listen
34:43it's okay
34:44what are you gonna
34:44what are you gonna promise her
34:45they will have
34:46as much as I can a week
34:48we'll be there for
34:49hello darling
34:50what we'll do
34:50what we'll do
34:52so sit down in a calm way
34:53without her
34:54something that suits you
34:55something that suits you
34:56something you don't let down
34:57something you don't change
34:58because you're on the way
34:59that's granny
35:00hello
35:01hello
35:02hello
35:02hello
35:04hello
35:04hello
35:06right
35:06listen
35:07that
35:08thank you
35:09because she deserves this
35:10and everything else has to stop
35:12at lunchkin
35:13give them a round of applause
35:14I'll leave you with the team
35:15thank you very much
35:19good luck to them
35:20we'll keep you updated
35:21right my next guest today
35:22Cherry is here for all important DNA
35:24Cherry says that just last year
35:25she was told who her biological father was
35:28and not only discovered him
35:29but his two daughters
35:30one of which being her absolute double
35:32today Cherry says
35:33she is hoping after 23 years
35:35she may finally get the answer
35:37she's been looking forward to
35:38she's gonna start backstage
35:39quite nervous
35:40come and meet guys
35:41Cherry is 23 years
35:43and you don't know the truth
35:44horrible
35:46all right guys
35:47there you go
35:48um
35:49well either way
35:50I would run a relationship
35:51you do
35:52how are you
35:52yeah hi
35:53you all right
35:53um
35:54I sort of thought it was best to start this
35:56really really blind
35:57to be honest
35:57so just
35:58just give me some background
35:59you how old
36:00uh 23
36:01you were put into care
36:02at three months of age
36:03um
36:04what were you told
36:05about the reasons for that
36:07was there anything at all
36:08at that stage
36:09um
36:09just that my mum was too unwell
36:11to look after me
36:14did you always have
36:15sort of questions
36:16did you always think
36:17you know
36:17there's something missing
36:18in my life
36:20well I always felt
36:22like
36:23um
36:23an outcast
36:24I always felt like
36:25the black sheep
36:26of the family
36:27um
36:29sorry
36:29don't worry
36:30you're doing great
36:30listen it's a huge
36:31huge day for you
36:32anybody with
36:33any compassion at all
36:3423 years
36:36brought up
36:36put in care
36:37brought up
36:38suddenly you get told
36:39this might be
36:40your biological dad
36:41you don't know anything
36:42about your parents
36:43it's it's horrible
36:44and nerve-wracking
36:45you're doing great
36:46and I mean that okay
36:47now he has two daughters
36:48doesn't he
36:48yeah
36:50Hashmir and uh
36:51Chantel
36:52when you saw a photo
36:53of Chantel
36:54and I've seen one
36:54it's extraordinary
36:55you like twins aren't you
36:57how old is she
36:58uh she's 28
36:59just just
37:00just you can see
37:01Alex if you could just move
37:03it is uncanny
37:04so today you get to meet
37:06your potential father Lee
37:08you get to decide
37:10well find out
37:11whether these girls
37:12Chantel and Kashmir
37:13are full sisters
37:15half sisters
37:15whatever
37:16more than anything
37:17that gives you closure
37:18and that gives you answers
37:19about the past
37:20which is the most important thing
37:21how are you feeling?
37:22nervous
37:23terrified?
37:24yeah
37:25but excited as well
37:26it's really difficult for me
37:27this because I was reading this
37:28this morning
37:29and I want to be as respectful
37:30as possible
37:30um
37:31is your mum still alive?
37:33no
37:34she did have
37:35by all accounts
37:37it sounds awful
37:38I don't want to upset you
37:39but she had a bit of a reputation
37:39didn't she?
37:41yeah
37:42and your thing today
37:43is is Lee my dad
37:45is Chantel and me sisters
37:46is Kashmir somebody
37:48you just need some answers
37:50even if you don't hear
37:52what you perhaps
37:53would would like to hear
37:54is it
37:54is it good that the process
37:56is starting?
37:57yeah
37:57but terrifying
37:59what I'd like to do
38:00if it's okay with you
38:00is I want to go and talk to him
38:01in a nice way
38:02okay
38:03meet the girls
38:04and then bring you out
38:05and do the DNA
38:05is that right?
38:06you happy to watch this
38:06in the other grey?
38:07yeah
38:07yeah
38:08yeah that's fine
38:09oh bless you
38:10give her a round of applause
38:10though
38:11bless your heart
38:12we'll go and do that
38:13you okay?
38:13no
38:14sweet girl
38:16he absolutely deserves the truth
38:17let's see if we can find some answers
38:19you've got to feel so sorry
38:21for that girl
38:2123 years
38:22put into care
38:233 months
38:24brought up by adopted parents
38:26suddenly
38:268 months pregnant
38:27gets told by adopted mother
38:29that
38:29this guy Lee
38:30is her father
38:31knows he has 2 daughters
38:33one looks like her
38:34one doesn't
38:34just wants answers
38:3523 most of us
38:36want to know the truth
38:37I feel so sorry for her
38:38but we'll get her answers today
38:39so this is her potential dad
38:41Lee's on the Jeremy Kyle show
38:42that way
38:43thank you
38:48thanks for only liking me on the show
38:49how are you?
38:50yeah I'm fine
38:50you old rocker with that hair
38:52I love it
38:52I'm very nervous
38:53I have to say about this man
38:55by the way
38:55we always say
38:56we always make a judgement
38:57so I was to single dads
38:58this guy bought up the other two
39:00from babies
39:01the mother did one
39:02sadly that she passed away
39:03she had many problems
39:04this guy bought up
39:05both kids
39:06absolutely like that
39:07had no idea
39:08thank you
39:10thank you
39:12and by all accounts
39:13you did an amazing job
39:14and what you're saying to us
39:15is you brought those two kids up
39:17and you had no idea about Jerry
39:19no no
39:19none at all
39:20has he done a great job girls?
39:22yes
39:22yes
39:23tell me something as a dad
39:25you couldn't
39:26you don't want anything else
39:27the day you die
39:28for your kids to say
39:29you were a good dad
39:29that's the best thing in the world
39:30I absolutely salute you
39:32fantastic
39:32thank you
39:33come on now
39:35um but
39:36did you know
39:37that Sherry
39:39was around?
39:41um no
39:43and I guess now you're sitting here thinking
39:44the lady I was with
39:45I brought up two of her kids
39:46when she did one
39:47she had a bit of a reputation
39:48she's allowed this kid to live in care
39:50and I've missed out on a daughter
39:51if that's the truth
39:52there is a twist to this
39:54which could be very difficult to explain
39:57but Sherry
39:57and Chantelle look absolutely similar
40:00very similar yeah
40:01but Kashmir who you brought up as your own
40:04doesn't look like either of them
40:06no
40:06can I without upsetting anybody
40:08what if it turns out that Sherry and Chantelle are yours
40:10and you're bringing up a child
40:12Kashmir that's not
40:15well I still
40:16close them all
40:17as my daughters
40:17that's
40:19that's
40:22you're desperate
40:23you're desperate for them all to be your daughters aren't you
40:25yeah
40:25yeah
40:26what have you missed out on with Sherry
40:28how does it make you feel to think that this kid was in care for 22 years
40:32heartbroken
40:33I really like you
40:34oh thank you
40:35no I mean it
40:36I think it's amazing
40:36listen
40:38we're going to go to a break
40:39we're going to bring your two daughters that you brought up from day one as a single dad
40:43we're going to bring Sherry out
40:44we've got triple DNA
40:45I don't know
40:46but I know one thing
40:47she deserves the truth
40:48you undoubtedly are everything a father should be
40:50and those girls deserve the truth as well
40:52back in a minute
40:52don't go anywhere
40:53shall we do what we came here to do
40:55right
40:56triple
40:58DNA
41:00the DNA test results show that Lee
41:13do you need to find out who is the father of the baby
41:16do you need that all important DNA test
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41:47thank you very much indeed
41:48welcome back
41:49before the break
41:49just going to make this story as simple as possible
41:51Sherry 23 contacted us
41:53because she said that
41:54she was put into care
41:55at a few months of age
41:56she was brought up by an adoptive family
41:58when she was pregnant
41:59her adoptive mum said to her
42:01your dad's Lee
42:03I want to find him
42:04she said
42:04when we discovered the story
42:05we realised that you
42:06had been with her mother
42:09in your mind
42:09there were two children
42:10Chantel
42:11and Kashmir
42:12the mother did one
42:13sadly she's no longer here
42:14she had her issues
42:15you brought those two kids up
42:16as a single father
42:17from day one
42:18you had no idea about Sherry
42:19a year ago
42:20less than that
42:21Sherry contacts you on Facebook
42:23today is the culmination of that
42:24we'll find out whether Sherry is yours
42:26and whether two of you
42:27have actually been denied
42:29a relationship for a long time
42:30but more than that
42:32Chantel
42:32one of the daughters you brought up
42:33and Sherry look very similar
42:35Kashmir not
42:35there could be further twists
42:37but you say
42:38I want them all to be mine
42:39and I want the family to be complete
42:41so your daughter
42:42Chantel 28
42:42Kashmir 30
42:43you brought them both up
42:44when the mother did one
42:45they're both here on the Jeremy Kyle show
42:46give them a round of applause
42:47I love this guy
42:52I love you
42:57I love you
42:57I love you
42:57thank you
43:02you're all
43:03you're an amazing dad
43:04that's what you want
43:05as a dad isn't it
43:05yeah he's an amazing job
43:07I'll start like that
43:08you're 28
43:09Chantel
43:10you're 30 Kashmir
43:11what's for the dad
43:11you know he's
43:12he's really good
43:13he's amazing
43:14what do you two know
43:15about the Sherry story
43:17what do you know
43:18to be the truth
43:19he knew about her
43:20but he didn't know
43:21that she could be
43:22potentially his daughter
43:23I just thought
43:23there was this other man
43:24so
43:24oh you knew of Sherry
43:27but you didn't think
43:28that you were anything
43:28to do with her
43:29no
43:29my mum had told him
43:31that he wasn't her dad
43:33obviously I don't want
43:34to snag your mother off
43:35but it seems
43:35that she seems to have
43:36told anybody anything
43:37that she wanted to say
43:38when it suited her
43:39can I ask you
43:39because my heart
43:40went out to you
43:41when I read this this morning
43:42and let's be perfectly honest
43:43I'm just being totally straight
43:44we've got a kid
43:45for 23 years
43:46didn't know
43:47hopefully this is her father
43:48didn't know she hopefully
43:49had two sisters
43:50but when you put those two together
43:52they're like twins
43:52yeah
43:53you're not
43:53there is a chance
43:55that they could be his
43:57yeah
43:57and a man that's brought you up
43:58for 23 years
43:59is not
44:00I mean
44:00it makes no difference to me
44:02because he's amazing
44:04and we've got
44:05such a close relationship
44:07so it wouldn't
44:07bother me
44:08you've never met Sherry
44:09have you
44:10no
44:10she's so
44:11so nervous
44:12and I have to say this
44:14to you before I bring her out
44:16nothing is laid in stone
44:17until we do that
44:18so I just want everybody
44:19to be
44:19are you alright
44:20I love this man
44:21I'm really sorry
44:22I mean this
44:23all those
44:24I hate people
44:25that say that men don't care
44:26it's my absolute bugbear
44:27look at your face
44:28I'll tell you what
44:29I hope she is your daughter
44:30because you are
44:31everything a kid would want
44:33in a dad
44:34absolutely
44:3923 years
44:40this could be your daughter
44:42you've never ever ever seen her
44:43Sherry's on the Jeremy Kyle show
44:45give her a round of applause
44:56you're alright
45:01it's so good to meet you
45:04you're alright
45:05you're alright
45:06you're alright
45:16Sherry
45:16and I absolutely
45:19can only ever do this show
45:20when I look into somebody's eyes
45:21and not a lot of time
45:23is there proof
45:23I absolutely believe
45:25this guy
45:26when he says
45:26that he knew you existed
45:28but he was told
45:28that you were nothing
45:29to do with him
45:29I really
45:30I know you
45:30you have questions perhaps
45:32but
45:33shall we do
45:34what we came here to do
45:35right
45:36triple
45:38DNA
45:38we're going to start
45:39with you Sherry
45:3923 years
45:40in care at 3 months
45:42only told that Lee
45:44might be your dad
45:46how long ago
45:478 months
45:48the DNA test results
45:49show that Lee
45:52is your dad
46:10I can't believe this
46:12I just can't
46:15oh my god
46:17I was told
46:26Chantel
46:27obviously I
46:28that is crazy
46:29is that great
46:31absolutely crazy
46:33how do you feel babe
46:36relieved
46:36how do you feel
46:39angry and happy
46:40angry and happy
46:41yeah
46:41definitely yeah
46:42that's a lot of years
46:43the DNA test results
46:44Chantel show that Lee
46:45is your biological father
46:47as well
46:55full sisters
46:56yes
46:58oh cashmere
46:59cashmere
46:59I don't know what it
47:00says in this envelope
47:01I want this to be happy
47:02I'm going to be fine
47:03are you sure
47:03yeah
47:04why do I get the feeling
47:05you will be fine either way
47:06but wouldn't it be lovely
47:07if oh god
47:09sure you're okay
47:10yeah no
47:11I'm good
47:17the DNA test results
47:18show that Lee
47:20do you watch this show
47:22it's a full house
47:24they're all you're doing
47:28brilliant
47:40do you know what he just said
47:44he just said it's better than winning the lottery
47:48that's my
47:49full sisters
47:51happy
47:51yeah no
47:52definitely
47:54you're not lost anymore
47:55no
47:56you're alright
47:56yeah
47:57your dad
47:58the old rocker's your dad
48:00oh wow
48:01this is amazing
48:02you're a young rocker really
48:03thank you very much
48:04thank you
48:05you've got your fan
48:06how they do their stuff
48:08yeah it's really good
48:09it's just
48:09amazing
48:09they get a lot of people
48:10criticising them
48:11but moments like this
48:12make me very proud
48:13and I'm so chuffed
48:14because I think you're a great father
48:16and I'm so relieved
48:16thank you
48:19thank you
48:19thank you
48:19thank you
48:19really pleased
48:21alright look after your sister
48:23give them a round of applause
48:24for going that way
48:26lovely lovely lovely way to end
48:28delighted for them
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