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00:00On today's show, today is about you and Kelly saying you are Britain's worst mum.
00:03She's attacked you on several occasions.
00:06Yeah, she's punched me, kicked me.
00:08She's stolen from her daughter, she's spat in her daughter's food.
00:11She's physically and mentally abused her daughter.
00:14Is that true?
00:15Yeah.
00:16She touched my groin, kissed me on her lips, but when I pushed her away, she didn't like it.
00:23It's all down to this lying little dirty ratty.
00:27But that's her boyfriend.
00:29I don't care.
00:29Have you ever seen your mother try it on with your boyfriend?
00:32No, I've seen her.
00:33All right then, Kelly.
00:35It's impossible to touch that.
00:38My mum thought I'll get something on behalf of my dad, a silver fire engine christening box, and he stole
00:46it.
00:46I've just got told that you didn't do a lie detector test.
00:49We've just been saying that you're about to do one.
00:50I've just been told on me that, in fact, you haven't done when you've got something to say.
00:53What's that?
01:17I've just been told that you're about to do one.
01:24Now, he says that since he got with partner Kelly seven years ago,
01:27she has done everything she can to make their lives a complete misery
01:30and Nathan claims that she, Cheryl, is a violent, abusive drunk
01:34who does not deserve to call herself a mum.
01:36He's here to tell her that after today, he and Kelly never want to see her again.
01:40It's a big day for them. Nathan, first on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
01:51The mother-in-law doesn't sound very happy. Be quiet.
01:56You'll get your chance in a minute. Be quiet.
01:59Shut her up.
02:05Get me .
02:10Again, you .
02:12I'll you up.
02:15Your language is disgusting. Wait until you get a chance, all right?
02:19Seriously, wait until you get a chance.
02:24Stop swearing. Wash your mouth out. You get your say.
02:26Part your backside and wait until I've done it. It's called The Jeremy Kyle Show.
02:29Thank you very much.
02:32How are you?
02:34Strong words. You're Britain's worst mum. Your daughter should disown you.
02:37Yeah.
02:39I'm going to say it one more time. If you don't shut her up, she's out.
02:44You've been with Cheryl's daughter Kelly seven years.
02:47You say almost from day one.
02:49Yeah.
02:49This lady does not or has not approved.
02:53But it's not just not approval, it's the way that she behaves.
02:56Tell us more.
02:57Well, Kelly wanted her to get out of her mum's, so I got her out.
03:01You say that she's an emotional blackmailer. What do you mean by that?
03:04Yeah, well, when we got off the phone to one of your producers,
03:08we had messages saying, oh, if you love your sister that much, you'll go.
03:13If not, you're about .
03:16She's attacked you on several occasions.
03:19Yeah, she's punched me, kicked me.
03:23She's, um...
03:23Flip-sided, she's also tried it on with him.
03:33Why do you put up with it? Why don't you and your lady just run in the opposite direction?
03:37Why don't you put up with the language? Why don't you put up with the abuse?
03:39No, um, well, what it was, um, we chucked her out.
03:44Then we said, we don't want nothing to do with it.
03:47But we keep getting the messages, the abuse of phone calls...
03:51What does it do to Kelly, the way her mother treats her?
03:54It hurts her. She's sometimes got to cry herself to sleep.
03:58Why are you here? Are you here to, to say, I don't think a mother...
04:03If she's stolen from her daughter, she's spat in her daughter's food.
04:06She's physically and mentally abused her daughter.
04:09Is that true?
04:10Yeah, well, she didn't spit in her daughter's food, she spat in my food.
04:14Nice lady.
04:15When I said that the mother had tried it on with you, you got upset.
04:17Why did you get upset?
04:18Because...
04:20I thought, look, Kelly will think that's my fault, but she didn't.
04:23She, she's...
04:25What happened? Tell me about it. What happened?
04:27Get rid of the picture, Matt. Let's do it, Maiden.
04:30She touched my groin.
04:32Then, erm, kissed me on the lips.
04:35But when I pushed her away, she didn't like it.
04:38Today's about you and Kelly saying you are Britain's worst mum.
04:41We're not interested in anything that you've got to say.
04:42Now, one thing that I have to do is flip it and ask you this.
04:44Why would a woman have so much of an issue with you?
04:48It is really, it's not just anger, it is venomous hatred, isn't it?
04:52Yeah.
04:53Because she wanted her daughter to stay at home all the time.
04:55What was it she said about the grandad that was so disgusting?
04:58Yeah, my grandad died of cancer nine years ago.
05:00Sorry.
05:04What did she say?
05:11Go and...
05:12Hmm.
05:14Nice lady.
05:15Um, Nathan and his girlfriend, Kelly, who have been together seven years, describe this lady as Britain's worst mum.
05:20You've already heard her language. This will be fun. Cheryl's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
05:28Oh.
05:30Oh my God!
05:30Who slagged my mum off yesterday in the cab?
05:33With your...
05:34Who you've done it?
05:36What?
05:37Because your mate phoned up in the cab and...
05:40When was that?
05:41...and...
05:41...slagged my mum off.
05:42When was that?
05:43Yeah?
05:43When was that?
05:44Yesterday, on the way down here.
05:46And who punched taxi in the phone, who punched taxi, who punched taxi, who punched taxi, who punched taxi in
05:53the taxi, how can someone text you?
05:57You don't go for my number.
05:59Seriously, what the phone was, you're written's worst, mum, you're named and shamed.
06:04You can't look after yours.
06:06You can't look after yours.
06:09Excuse me, excuse me.
06:11I'll talk to you and I'll hear your side.
06:13Oi, if you stop effing and jeffing in the middle, please, Steve.
06:20Look at me.
06:21Kenny, you can shut your mouth, you trollop.
06:23It's a nice way to talk to your, nobody else.
06:26I'm asking you, nobody else.
06:28Why on earth, in the name of God, would you talk about your own daughter in such...
06:31Why?
06:32Why?
06:33Because she kicked him.
06:34She...
06:35He, don't tell the truth.
06:37He's not only f***ed me...
06:40Have you hit her?
06:40Yes, you liar.
06:42Because who hit me first?
06:44Yeah, no, he didn't, no, he burnt me.
06:48Use a force flanky.
06:50Use a force flanky.
06:52Can you do me a favour and be quiet, be quiet.
06:55Oi, I am doing this, not you, not you.
06:58Why, from day one, forget all the ridiculous accusations,
07:02why, from day one, when Kelly chose to move in with him,
07:07did you, according to them, listen?
07:10I'm listening.
07:10Well, then answer the question when you...
07:12Wait, no, we'll tell you, I'll tell you.
07:13Well, let me finish it first, love.
07:15Right, well, go on then.
07:16Why did he get to this?
07:17Because he's the trouble, people to like his...
07:20He said, oh, I've got a surprise for you,
07:24when you're on there tomorrow.
07:27Kelly's threatening to be my daughter's house.
07:29So you're here because what?
07:30Frankie, Frankie, Frankie said,
07:33who offered to meet Kelly that night?
07:37No, no, no, no, no, she didn't...
07:41Nathan, you need to answer this.
07:43You've been accused on national television of hitting two women,
07:46her and her daughter, Frankie.
07:47I am talking.
07:49Then be quiet.
07:51And Stacey.
07:53Have you hit, have you hit, have you hit her?
07:58I am talking. The police came round. Why would you hit a woman? I used force. Why would you hit
08:04a woman?
08:06She came to me. You said earlier, two minutes ago, you hit her. How did you hit her? Why did
08:10you hit her?
08:11No, he's lying. Because she punched me and kicked me, so I used force. Did you hit Frankie?
08:18No. Yes, you did. When? When? When she stayed at us, when he, my daughter, was staying at that scumbag's
08:27house.
08:27Why is he so bad? I don't understand. Because of them and he calls me hell.
08:33And when I leave here, he's going to phone up, threat, threat, threat, threat. No, there's not going to be
08:38any threats.
08:38I'm going to ask you something about your daughter. But who ordered £45 worth of takeaway food to my mum's
08:44butt? Shut up.
08:44Left that address as their number and left your own name.
08:48You're not as low as you, Nathan, because you're a dirty little scumbag.
08:52They even won the police on you. You left your number.
08:57Did I know, Nathan? Yes, you did.
08:59You're a liar, sitting there bawling your eyes out like a big baby.
09:03You're Britain's wealth. Look, look at you. You shouldn't be your mother.
09:06Why is your relationship...
09:09Look, presumably, by anybody's standards, what's happened between you and him?
09:13How has it affected you and Kelly? Don't say a word.
09:16Well, it controls her life. It don't tell...
09:19You came out here and you called your 21-year-old daughter a scumbag.
09:23Do you know why I called her a scumbag?
09:25Why?
09:26Because that thing out there, right, I...
09:30There was a phone call a couple of weeks ago and that dirty **** called me a ****.
09:37You **** called your daughter. This is disgusting language and I'm going to tell you during this part, you carry
09:44on like this in this break and I'm canceling his part right back.
09:48You're horrible, you are, aren't you?
09:49Yes, right.
09:50What, so she's not your daughter?
09:52No. No. Done. Over.
09:54Done.
09:54You're scum, mate. You're trouble.
09:57Look, look, look at me. You've got a pair of two vats.
09:59Yes, yes, yes.
09:59You are a tramp.
10:01Look at you, you look crazy down your t-shirt.
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10:35It's forward slash Jeremy Kyle.
10:43Thank you very much indeed. Welcome back for the break.
10:45We were attempting to talk to Nathan and Cheryl.
10:47I think in all of my nine years I've never heard such disgusting language.
10:50I've never heard such dreadful animosity.
10:52The truth of the matter is, Cheryl, that Kelly, 21, is your daughter seven years ago.
10:56I am speaking and if you do not understand the concept, try and get this into your brain.
11:00When I speak, you listen. Brilliant.
11:02Here it is.
11:03Kelly and Nathan have been together seven years.
11:06Anybody can see and witness the horrible atmosphere, vile, disgusting atmosphere between you and Nathan.
11:13I'm stood here thinking to myself, there has to be more than just barbed comments to explain such horrible, horrible
11:20feeling, right?
11:21Is your relationship with your daughter completely over?
11:25Yeah.
11:25And you blame him?
11:27I blame the pair of them.
11:28Let's get Kelly, without anybody shouting, on the Jeremy Kyle show.
11:37I'm a scumbag.
11:39I'm a scumbag.
11:40I'm a fat scumbag.
11:41Yeah.
11:41Don't you ever...
11:43Don't, don't.
11:43What have I done to you?
11:44What have I done to you?
11:45What have you done?
11:46What have you done?
11:47What have I done to you?
11:48What have you done?
11:49You phoned me up yesterday, yeah?
11:52And you threatened to get hold of Frankie and strangling her.
11:55Really?
11:55Really?
11:56Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:57Oh, he told it again, see?
12:01He's a liar.
12:02Really?
12:02Yeah.
12:03If it's all right with you, Mother Hen, I want to speak to Kelly.
12:06Sit down and you sit down, Nathan, as well.
12:08Can you explain to me, right?
12:09I think I've...
12:10He's just...
12:10I am speaking.
12:12I heard.
12:15I don't even...
12:17Can you explain to me?
12:17I've done this a long time.
12:18Where is the hatred coming from?
12:21Nobody else...
12:22I don't know.
12:22Me and my mum used to have a really strong relationship.
12:24Wait.
12:25Wait.
12:26Before I got with him.
12:26Right.
12:27So, this is my point.
12:28I said at the beginning.
12:28We're going to do this in the right way.
12:30Seven years ago, you get with Nathan.
12:31Whatever has gone on in your lives, in your life,
12:35why in your mind is there so much hatred?
12:39Talk to me.
12:40I know she don't like Nathan.
12:41She don't like Nathan and the family.
12:43Right, right, right.
12:43And if we're going to be honest, you don't.
12:45No, I don't.
12:46No, I don't.
12:47You're taking out of me.
12:47You're taking out of me.
12:48Do you know why I hate him?
12:49You know the reasons why.
12:51You and him sat there one night texting about my mother.
12:56My mother.
12:57I'm not talking to them.
12:58Cheryl, Cheryl.
12:59I sometimes think my mum is jealous of my relationship.
13:01It's hers.
13:02We're all so messed up.
13:03I'm asking you.
13:03Jealous of that?
13:04No way.
13:05Why can you and how can you two be so disgusting to each other?
13:09Because it's all down to this lying little dirty rat here.
13:14But that's her boyfriend.
13:15I don't care if that's called Nuking Lot's boot
13:18because you don't know him, do you?
13:19Did you try it on with him?
13:20Really?
13:21I wouldn't touch that one for ten foot miles pole, mate.
13:24You should.
13:24I would need to be desperate.
13:26Let's hear from me.
13:26Kelly, you're a liar.
13:28This is the time when you touch his bit, isn't it?
13:30No, right, so you didn't try and **** that room.
13:34Oh, God.
13:35Have you ever seen your mother try it on with your boyfriend?
13:37I've seen her touch her.
13:39No, all right then, Kelly.
13:40It's impossible to touch that.
13:42I'm not that desperate.
13:43You say that you feel very sorry for...
13:45No, that's really the other way round.
13:46I'm speaking.
13:46No, mate, because I...
13:48Interestingly, you started this, Kelly, by saying that...
13:50And please, can everybody shut up?
13:53You started this by saying that your mother and you used to be close.
13:56Just...
13:56Jada, look at me.
13:57Nobody else.
13:58What...
13:58So it literally was until Nathan came along?
14:01Yeah.
14:01Do you stay with him because you love him?
14:04Yeah, because...
14:04Or do you stay with him because to score points off your mother?
14:07Oh, no.
14:08Not to score points.
14:09How would you describe your relationship with your mother right now?
14:12The worst question I've ever asked.
14:13I'm not a mum.
14:14I'm talking to Kelly.
14:16Thanks a lot, Mother of the Year.
14:17Carry on.
14:18I never wanted to be like this.
14:21Who is Stacey?
14:22My daughter.
14:23My daughter.
14:23Do you get on with Stacey?
14:24Used to.
14:25My daughter.
14:26But you feel that she might...
14:27You're horrible, you aren't you?
14:29So she's not your daughter?
14:31No.
14:31No.
14:31Done.
14:32Over.
14:33Yeah, I'm horrible.
14:35She's horrible to me.
14:36Stop swearing.
14:37She's not happier without a family like you.
14:39Look at you.
14:40Look at you.
14:40You're scum, mate.
14:41You're Trump.
14:42Look.
14:43Look at me compared to that.
14:45Yeah.
14:46Look at these, right?
14:47Because of these.
14:49Where do you make your clothes from?
14:51He's got necklones.
14:52He's got necklones.
14:53He's got necklones.
14:53He's got necklones.
14:53He's got necklones.
14:55He's got necklones.
14:57You are a Trump.
14:58Look at you.
14:59Crazy damn your t-shirt.
15:01Look at you.
15:02Look at you.
15:02Don't move it.
15:04Don't get a new life.
15:06Don't you.
15:06Me Trump.
15:07Your language.
15:08Your language is the worst I've ever heard.
15:10If you do not wash your mouth out.
15:12Seriously, we're not doing this.
15:13Let's get your other daughter.
15:15Please don't shout.
15:16Stacey's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
15:18.
15:33Sit down.
15:35Who run tuesday, Stacey?
15:37Who run tuesday?
15:39Who run tuesday?
15:40You.
15:41We haven't got your number.
15:43I have 3 witnesses up my life.
15:453 witnesses.
15:47Nathan.
15:53I'm not doing this because your language is disgusting.
16:06You can't, I can't do this.
16:09No, no, but you keep saying sorry and you keep talking.
16:12Yeah, but you don't understand.
16:14Because you don't talk, you shout.
16:16Now sit there and you sit next to her and you sit as well.
16:20Sit down. Sit down.
16:22Do you feel that Kelly has been taken away from the family?
16:27Yeah.
16:28Now, one of the accusations, and this is what I was trying to get out,
16:30which is why I want you away because of all the shouting and screaming,
16:33is that you guys believe, can't they, that he's been violent to her?
16:38He's been violent to me. He's been violent to me.
16:40Well, he did admit to hitting you and I don't condone any of that.
16:43Do you, has your daughter ever told you, right, Cheryl, that he's been violent?
16:48Yeah.
16:48I've been there when he's done it as well.
16:50Then as a mother, right, explain this to me.
16:53Whatever has happened, you hear that a bloke has allegedly been violent to your daughter
16:58and you're calling her every name under the sun and saying,
17:00I want nothing more to do with you.
17:02Why are you not doing everything in your power to protect your daughter
17:06and be there for your daughter if you believe what you've just said?
17:10But the thing is, I've been there all the time, right?
17:14I've been there every step of the way for her.
17:17He's a control freak.
17:19I've been there.
17:20Brain washes her.
17:21Yeah.
17:21Right?
17:22And now it's got to the stage where she phoned up the day before.
17:26But, you know, no, no, no, because we're actually getting somewhere.
17:28Here's my question to all of you.
17:30If that's the case, right, and you're telling the truth.
17:33I am.
17:34What right, or no, actually wrong word, what chance would she have of getting away
17:38and into the arms of her family if you lot say, you're scum, you're this, you're that,
17:43we disown you.
17:43If he is what you think he is and she's brainwashed or blinded by it,
17:48why are you not leaving the door open, not slagging him off
17:52and giving her the opportunity to run his house?
17:54We've tried that, we've tried that for seven years.
17:58Mum's, mum's, let him move in.
18:02He's fieved.
18:04He's, he's.
18:05Hit us.
18:07Yeah, beat us up.
18:08So he's been violent of you, he's taken from you as well.
18:13And what you're saying, despite the way that you put it before,
18:15is that as her family, you are concerned about her.
18:19We are.
18:19Oh, I have.
18:19We phoned the police because he kept on hitting her.
18:22And he hit you, Frankie, did he?
18:24No, he smacked my head against the meter.
18:27Right, listen to me, listen to me, shh, I want you to calm.
18:30I want to do this in the right way because we're not getting anywhere
18:32with everybody screaming at each other.
18:34Those are allegations and serious allegations that get made.
18:38Seriously, stop shouting.
18:40Kelly, can you get out here, please?
18:46Right, this is me, not her.
18:49Did you hit the mother?
18:50What did I do?
18:51Did you hit Frankie?
18:53No.
18:54You've been to jail?
18:56I have, yeah.
18:56Have you ever told your family he's been violent to you?
18:58No, I ain't.
18:59Why are they saying yes then?
19:00Have you stolen from them?
19:02No, they have stolen from us.
19:04They think you're brainwashed, right?
19:06The reason for all of this is, I don't know, I'm stuck in the middle.
19:08What a joyous position to be in.
19:09They think that this guy came into your life, has brainwashed you, has ruined your life,
19:14has turned your family against you, or you against your family.
19:17They think he's no good.
19:18And they say that part of their reason for that is that they have had you say that to them,
19:22and you've moaned and you've bitched to them, and that's why they're...
19:24So stop, just don't want to hear.
19:26No, they don't want me nowhere near him.
19:29They want me all to himself.
19:30I don't know why.
19:31I know we can be a bit of pain sometimes, but it's not as bad as what they think.
19:35They just don't like him or the family.
19:37But isn't the truth, if we cut through all the BS in this story, right,
19:41that your family don't like Nathan, we've ascertained that anybody, you know,
19:44with a brain cell could ascertain that.
19:46Why on earth, if that's the case, is it not possible for you, away from Nathan,
19:51away from Nathan, to have a relationship with your family that doesn't involve him?
19:55Why such hatred?
19:57Because they're still going to go on, like, I can go and meet them,
20:00but then it's still just going to go on back on to Nathan.
20:02Because that's like him.
20:03Yeah, I'm not going to deal with that.
20:04So why'd you come here today?
20:05Because I'm done with it.
20:07It's the last choice, it's done.
20:08But the thing is, and I can tell by looking at you, it destroys you.
20:12Yeah, because I don't deserve that.
20:13Do you believe that that's a situation that could be resolved?
20:17Give me three minutes.
20:19Three minutes.
20:20No.
20:20There'll be time.
20:21No.
20:22You're not going to give me three minutes?
20:23No.
20:23Well, you've got to, because I'm going to break.
20:24I'm right back.
20:26Can you three get back out here, but before you come, there's a rule.
20:29Anybody that shouts is out of this studio and out of this building.
20:34This is what he does.
20:35This is the sack of what he does.
20:36Right, will you do me a favor?
20:37Will you do me a favor?
20:39Whatever, that's him, love.
20:42I don't think that you could have a worse line as a mother than,
20:46I'm ashamed of my son.
20:47You are, though, aren't you?
20:49Yes, I am.
20:57You've wrecked a load of people's lives.
21:02Hopefully, the next idiot that you come across won't believe as much stuff.
21:06We'll have watched the wonderful Jeremy Kyle.
21:10If you want to tell me anything, come out of the toilet now or we're done.
21:15What about the prostitution?
21:17Selling a baby's pram for crap.
21:22Oh.
21:23Oh, yeah.
21:24Oh, yeah.
21:26It's been into worse, Mum.
21:28You're dived and shaved.
21:30What are you doing here?
21:31You want your five minutes of fat?
21:35We're not chasing you this time.
21:36Does his face look bothered?
21:38Bothered.
21:39This is going to spin the Jeremy Kyle show.
21:41That's why I'm standing there.
21:43This is why you're standing there.
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22:26APPLAUSE
22:33Thank you very much indeed.
22:34Who says that the family is no longer a secure unit in Great Britain?
22:39Your choice is to be with Nathan.
22:41Yep.
22:42But you admitted before the break that in an ideal world, you would still have a relationship with your sisters
22:47and your mum.
22:48Yep.
22:48Can you three get back out here?
22:50But before you come, there's a rule.
22:51Anybody that shouts is out of this studio and out of this building.
22:56One last chance.
22:57Nath?
22:58Yeah?
22:58Don't look smug and don't bring up your family.
23:01I'm not looking smug.
23:01The three of you are going to walk out here.
23:03You've got one final chance.
23:04I mean it.
23:05All right.
23:07I'll sit next to him.
23:08Oh, Jesus.
23:10Did you hear what your daughter said?
23:11No, not really.
23:13Nice.
23:13She said that despite her choice of boyfriend, in an ideal world, she would want nothing more than to have
23:19a relationship with her sisters and her mum.
23:21Well, she can have it one at a time.
23:24This is what he does.
23:25This is exactly what he does.
23:27What do you love?
23:28Will you do me a favour?
23:28What in the name?
23:29What in the name?
23:30No, will you do me a favour?
23:31You go and sit there.
23:32Are you her sister?
23:33Yes.
23:33You stay there.
23:34You can go that way as well.
23:35See ya.
23:36Thanks very much.
23:36You sit there.
23:37And you sit there.
23:39Sit there.
23:40Now listen to me.
23:41You.
23:41Look at me.
23:43I'm old, but when people get that angry and they spout the things that you lot have spouted, that tells
23:51me an awful lot.
23:51So I've got two minutes and I'm going to ask you to do this calmly.
23:55Whatever your choice of partner, you or you two, whatever your relationship with your mother, good or bad, is it
24:02not important that you as sisters try and move on?
24:07Yeah, we've tried that.
24:08All right.
24:08And she sort of picked him over.
24:10But that's her choice.
24:11Why can't she be your sister?
24:13Well, she can.
24:14Then tell her and stop shouting talk.
24:16Wait, right.
24:17You can bring me.
24:18Can you put time aside to spend time with your sisters away from your boyfriend and your mum?
24:21Every time we go round there, there's always an argument.
24:25Right.
24:25What about this?
24:27Shot in the dark.
24:29Laugh at me in my face.
24:30Not your mum.
24:31Not Nathan.
24:31Not anybody you're going out with.
24:33Why can't you three, with our help, spend some time away from everybody else and see, as sisters, if there's
24:39a common ground?
24:40Nathan's not going to stop you.
24:41Your mum's not going to influence you.
24:44It's my choice, though.
24:45Yeah, I know it.
24:46Okay, then, so that she wants to try and make that work.
24:49Now, they have concerns.
24:50Look at me.
24:51Until they go over and Nathan says, oh, no, I don't want you to see her.
24:54They have concerns.
24:55It's got nothing to do with him.
24:56Now, listen, they have concerns that he's violent, that he's a cheat, that he's done this, that and the other.
24:59Now, they are going to have those because of things in the past.
25:01Look at me.
25:02Yeah.
25:03She thinks she's side with your mother.
25:04Her mother doesn't.
25:05I'm asking you three, can we try at least and see if there's any sisterly common ground?
25:12Yes.
25:12No, not but.
25:13Yes or no?
25:14Yes.
25:14Yes?
25:16Yeah.
25:17Without him.
25:18Yes?
25:18And without her.
25:19Yes.
25:20Right.
25:22I'm not saying for all the cynics out there who criticise me every day, I'm not saying that this will
25:27work,
25:27but it's a damn sight better than it was 20 minutes ago.
25:29Your mum has a situation and opinion.
25:32Nathan as well.
25:33This is about three sisters.
25:35I want you to spend a bit of time with Graham.
25:37I want you to listen to each other, be honest with each other, and maybe, just maybe, there'll be some
25:41common ground.
25:42If there isn't, what, at least we tried.
25:44Yes?
25:45Yes?
25:46Yes?
25:46That way.
25:47Give him a round of applause.
25:48Go.
25:53My next guest today, Kerry, is here to find out if her brother, Pete, stole the collection of money from
25:58her son's christening.
25:59Oh, my goodness me.
26:00Despite claiming to be clean for almost a year, Pete has spent the last 11 years addicted to heroin.
26:05Now, during this time, Kerry says he made her and her whole family's lives a nightmare.
26:09She believes that he did steal the money, and today she wants the truth, but she also needs to find
26:12out once and for all.
26:13Not only is he a thief, but is he still taking drugs?
26:16Brave girl, Kerry's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
26:25Thank you very much, Steve, for coming on.
26:27I want to get to the main people, and as quickly as possible.
26:29This is horrible for you, isn't it?
26:31Yeah.
26:31Can I just...
26:35It's the theft, the alleged theft.
26:38Can you just...
26:38I said christening box.
26:40This was...
26:41It was more than a christening box to me and my family.
26:44It was my dad...
26:46Oh, my and Pete, and my sister's dad died when I was very young, and he was a fireman.
26:52So my mum thought, I'll get something on behalf of my dad, a silver fire engine christening box.
27:01And he stole it.
27:03To me, it's not about the money that was in it.
27:05It's...
27:07That fire engine box was my son's from my dad.
27:10And unfortunately, he wasn't here to give it to himself, so my mum done it.
27:15And that's what's killing me.
27:17How do you know that it's Pete?
27:19There was just me, my partner, and Pete in the house.
27:22I mean, my partner was asleep, up with the baby all night before.
27:26I was in the bathroom.
27:29Pete was the only one.
27:30He says, I'm sick and tired of being cast as the black sheep.
27:32I get accused of everything.
27:33Yes, I've got a past with heroin.
27:34I'm here today to do a lie detector to prove that you're all wrong.
27:37The family have seen him literally throw his life down the toilet for heroin, for crack cocaine,
27:42lose weight, steal from you, steal from everybody to finance this habit.
27:46What's it done to your family?
27:48It's pretty much near and last ripped us apart.
27:51I mean, me and my partner argue constantly over it.
27:55My sister and her partner.
27:57Me and my mum, we've nearly haven't had a relationship because of this.
28:02Your mum's actually backstage.
28:04Can I speak to her through the screen?
28:06Jeanette has not been well.
28:07Jeanette is 58 years of age.
28:10I don't think that you could have a worse line as a mother than, I'm ashamed of my son.
28:16You are, though, aren't you?
28:18Yes, I am.
28:19Do you believe that he stole this christening box, this sentimental box?
28:27Yes, I do.
28:29You do?
28:29Yep.
28:31If that's the case today, what happens, Jeanette?
28:39I just have to say, enough's enough.
28:44See, I get that.
28:45It's just about that.
28:47It's loads of other things.
28:48There is loads of other things.
28:50You guys want to find out if he's still on drugs.
28:53You want to find out if he stole that.
28:54Yep.
28:54You want to find out overall why he's treated you all so badly.
28:58Yeah.
28:59Pete's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
29:11What happened?
29:14Was it your dad's death?
29:16You see, I'm not really too sure, you know.
29:18I was seven, but I never really...
29:21Your sister didn't become a crack addict, did she?
29:22Yeah, I know that, but for some reason I didn't grieve, and ever since then I still haven't grieved.
29:29I've gotten, well, mates and that.
29:33Well, they're not mates, are they?
29:34Well, no, they're not mates, but...
29:36Oh, hold on, hold on, this is rich, isn't it?
29:38Oh, this is great.
29:39How old are you?
29:4129.
29:41Do you like wasting people's time?
29:43No.
29:44I've just got told that you didn't do a lie detector test.
29:46We've just been saying that you're about to do one.
29:47I've just been told on me, in fact, I've just been told that you haven't done when you've got something
29:51to say.
29:52What's that?
29:52Yeah, that I'm sorry, and I did take it.
29:56Why couldn't you tell us at home?
29:58I thought you'd died when I knew.
30:00You've been saying, no, I haven't, no, I haven't, no, I haven't.
30:03This has caused me and Calvin nearly to break up.
30:06Yeah, I know.
30:07What do you mean, no, you don't, because you wouldn't have done it?
30:09Well, you expect everybody to feel sorry for you?
30:11You stole from your own nephew, an heirloom.
30:13It's all right, darling.
30:18You heard that, he admitted to stealing the...
30:20I was on drugs, I was at a low.
30:23Why do people like you use their low moments as an excuse for treating everybody else like a piece of
30:28rubbish?
30:28The fact of the matter is, what the hell do you think your dad would think of you right now
30:33if he was looking down on your disgusting behaviour?
30:35Yeah, you would have been sick of me before, look at that lady and look at her.
30:39Yeah, I know.
30:40Stop making excuses for your pitiful behaviour, Mum.
30:43Excuses?
30:43I'm not making excuses, I'm just saying I was in a low part of my life.
30:47Oh, dear, poor you, you tea leaf.
30:50I can't take it anymore, Peter.
30:52No, I know.
30:52I can't take the lies.
30:54How can we keep having you back if you're still doing drugs?
31:00I'm not still doing drugs.
31:01We found needles in the flat.
31:03Not recently.
31:03When was the last time?
31:04Well, yeah, but, Pete, we shouldn't find any.
31:07Don't you get it?
31:08Yeah, that was...
31:08And now we've got...
31:09I've got my grandbabies to think about.
31:12Yeah.
31:13And how well have we...
31:14Pete, there's no more.
31:16What about the lies?
31:18You're a man who lied about having...
31:19Oh, this is going to go down well with me, this is.
31:21You lied about having cancer and a brain tumour whilst your mother had cancer.
31:24I didn't lie about that.
31:25Yes, you did.
31:26A number of times.
31:27I have to go to the...
31:29I have to go and have a brain scan.
31:32Possibility I might have brain cancer.
31:34You know, just for the bus fare.
31:36I don't want to say that.
31:36Just for the bus fare money.
31:38And me to take you back again.
31:41How many times have you taken you back?
31:43Loeser times, yes.
31:44Why should they anymore?
31:45And I love you to death, but you're killing yourself.
31:49Look at you.
31:50There's pictures of you when you...
31:52You know.
31:53You used to be a big rugby player.
31:55Yeah, I know.
31:55Now, my son, Ryan, is bigger than me.
31:58Do you know what's really sad about this story?
32:01There's absolutely...
32:02You are one of those people.
32:03You see, people watch this and they go, poor man.
32:05Well, my answer to that, to everybody saying that, is that she also lost her father.
32:08I'm not...
32:08It's a horrible thing to happen.
32:10I can't imagine it, but she lost her father.
32:11She's not, you know, on drugs, stealing off her family, lying.
32:15But people like you that do my head in, you come through that door with your head on the floor.
32:19Oh, I know.
32:20Woe is me.
32:21You haven't...
32:22Take responsibility for the horrible mess that your decisions, your decisions, what you did to yourself, has ruined these people.
32:29And from the people tuning in, going, it's a bit harsh for her mother, I don't blame her.
32:33And you're sat on your backside, nicking off your family, your young nephew, to finance your drug habit and going,
32:40oh, woe is me, I'm having a bad time.
32:42We're too soft on people like you.
32:44She should have kicked you out ten years ago, mate.
32:47Ten years ago.
32:50Look at it.
32:51Woe is me.
32:53No, these are the victims, not you.
32:57Your choice is your life.
32:59You free of drugs?
33:01Yeah.
33:01Really.
33:02Let's get Graham Stannier on the Jeremy Kyle show.
33:11Are you free of drugs?
33:13Yeah.
33:14Is he free of drugs?
33:15Well, we did a drugs test and I can't tell you whether he is or not.
33:21And I have discussed this with Pete earlier.
33:24So we did a drugs test and it came up positive for morphine.
33:28So when I enquired further, he did give us a drug history.
33:33And he said to us that he'd used codeine, an over-the-counter medication.
33:39And had he used codeine, that would have converted to morphine and therefore would have come up positive on that
33:46drugs test.
33:47What does morphine mean?
33:48What else could he have taken for morphine?
33:50That could be morphine?
33:52Okay, so...
33:53Street heroin, right?
33:55Yeah.
33:56What I would say on the back of that is, had he used heroin, that would also have come up
34:02as morphine.
34:03So time for honesty then, because he's very nice and I'm not bothered.
34:06This is your family.
34:08I know what you're going to say, because you're gutless.
34:09Codeine or street heroin?
34:11Be honest right now.
34:12Well done, codeine.
34:13I can't help you, unless you're totally honest with me.
34:17I have no reason to doubt what you're saying.
34:20If you tell me that you're in recovery and that you're not using any substances, opiate-based substances, I'll believe
34:30you.
34:30But if you say that you are, then I can help you.
34:35Yeah.
34:35Come on.
34:36This is what I'm trying to say.
34:37I've done the nasty.
34:38I'm going to be straight, right?
34:39Yeah.
34:39I don't know an nth of what he knows, right?
34:42But you look to me like you're on drugs.
34:44Now, I could be completely wrong.
34:46Look at me.
34:46Yeah.
34:48This could be the best opportunity of your life.
34:52And if you have to say something that you don't really want to say, you've admitted to nicking again.
34:59Street heroin.
35:02You haven't taken it.
35:03I have not taken it.
35:05When you came off heroin, you were able to come off heroin because you were put on a subutex programme?
35:11Yeah.
35:12Absolutely perfect.
35:14That subutex programme helped you because it stopped the cravings and it stopped the physical withdrawal symptoms.
35:21Do you want to tell me why, since you stopped the subutex programme, you started using again?
35:31It's not prescribed subutex.
35:33You are now buying subutex off the street.
35:36Are you?
35:37Be really honest here.
35:38Why would you be buying subutex off the street?
35:42Because there is only one reason you are buying that substance off the street and that's to give you a
35:47high.
35:48Has subutex got morphine in?
35:50Subutex gives you a subtle high.
35:53So you have been taking subutex and codeine?
35:57No, I don't do coding that often.
35:59I do it now and again, twice in my life.
36:02But you take subutex?
36:03Three times.
36:04So you take subutex?
36:05Yeah.
36:05If I'm talking to you now, if I'm talking to you in this way, do you see that as a
36:10very slippery slope?
36:12Um, yeah.
36:15Okay, why are you doing that?
36:17I don't know, sometimes I just wake up and I...
36:21Well, you know what?
36:22When you're doing that and you know this, you need to get help because that's a slippery slope that could
36:30end up in catastrophe.
36:31You know at this point, if that's what you're doing, you need help.
36:36Now listen to me, I have to wrap this up.
36:37We will help you.
36:39The whole point of the show is to get people to admit and put their hands in the air and
36:42acknowledge what's happened to the people around them.
36:45But that's the most important thing for me.
36:46Graham does so much work backstage, but for me, I've got a sister and a mother who patently love you
36:51but are at the end of their tether because they cannot bear the lies and the duplicity.
36:54It's wrong.
36:55And it's no good saying, you never asked me.
36:57You didn't volunteer that you've stolen that stuff.
36:59You have a reputation and you have a long, long road to go.
37:02We're going to work with this guy, Graham.
37:03We're not going to make any promises.
37:05Is the door open or closed if he works with us?
37:07Open.
37:08Open.
37:09That should be the only motivation, all right?
37:12You can laugh at me when you can ignore me.
37:14You can go backstage and go back to your old life.
37:16But this is the best chance you're ever going to get because he's a genius.
37:19The four of you go that way.
37:20Give him a round of applause.
37:21Very nice to meet you.
37:22It's all two.
37:23All right?
37:24Thanks, mate.
37:24Good one.
37:26We'll let you know.
37:27We've said it before.
37:28You know, on this show, you can only give people the tools by which they can change.
37:30Their life is up to them.
37:31And coming next on this stage, a woman wondering, this is great, should I stay in a violent relationship?
37:36I think not, love.
37:37I'm right back.
37:37Why did you get pregnant by a man who last year grabbed your face so hard and hit you so
37:44hard on the side of your face you had finger marks for two weeks?
37:47The biggest thing that Sharon can do today is show me respect and finally realise that what she's got is
37:56good.
37:57Take your hand up.
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38:39Thank you, my friends.
38:40Welcome back.
38:41And the next guest today, Sharon is here for help in a relationship with on-off boyfriend of four years
38:44Kev's.
38:45Sharon says the violence began in their first year of being together and started with him punching her in the
38:50back of her head, which split open.
38:53Since then, she says he's pulled her hair, punched her in the temple and kicked her in the face.
38:58Can't believe I'm reading the next bit.
38:59Sharon recently found out that she was pregnant and now is desperate for Kev to get help with his anger
39:04before it escalates.
39:06Sharon's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
39:14Hello.
39:15How are you?
39:16Hello.
39:19Hello.
39:20It's very difficult.
39:22Mm-hmm.
39:22It's very easy for me to sit here and say, leave him.
39:25Yeah.
39:25When you love somebody and when everybody tells you it's not going to work, you stick your head in the
39:30sand.
39:30Yes.
39:31Why did you lie to my team?
39:33I think it was just, I don't think it was going to come out, but it was obviously going to
39:38come out.
39:39Explain what I mean by that.
39:41Sharon and Kevin, unbelievably, despite being in a violent relationship, came here for a lie detector to see whether he
39:48had cheated.
39:49We never, ever will do a lie detector if there is violence.
39:53And in our tests and checks, source checks, I think it was your mother.
39:59Yes.
39:59Who said, there is awful violence.
40:03I've got a statement from her.
40:04I think that Sharon needs to get out of the relationship with Kev.
40:06He's a woman beater.
40:08She lies to me, saying they are not together, as she knows I cannot stand him.
40:11I know that Sharon wants to leave him, but Kev is a controlling monster.
40:14I'm terrified of what might happen if she stays with him, and I dread the day I get a phone
40:17call saying that he has beaten her to death.
40:19That is your own mother.
40:20That is why there is no lie detector.
40:23Do you want to leave him?
40:26I do and I don't.
40:28Tell me what he's done.
40:32Well, from the beginning of the relationship, it escalated in 2010 in December.
40:41It was New Year's Eve.
40:42We split up for the first, we were together for four months.
40:48He left me.
40:49We got back together in September.
40:52New Year's Eve, it hit home.
40:56And then, because I put my, I was drinking, which now I don't drink now, and it escalated from there.
41:04Why did you get pregnant by a man who, last year, grabbed your face so hard and hit you so
41:11hard on the side of your face, you had finger marks for two weeks on your face?
41:16Here's the thing.
41:17Totally honest, right?
41:19You have to ask yourself, when the dust settles and everybody's gone home, do you really genuinely see a future?
41:26I'm not just blaming him, maybe the two of you are toxic and don't work together chemically, but at the
41:30end of the day, you tell my team, I want us to move forward and be a family.
41:33If you can't think of yourself after what he's done, think of that child, because let me tell you, you
41:39want to bring that child into this?
41:41That's not a mother.
41:42I don't want to.
41:43Then you should run for the hills.
41:44Kevin's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
42:01Everybody who watches the Jeremy Kyle show knows what I'm about to say.
42:04You are the lowest form of human life.
42:06Barely.
42:14Why are you holding her hand, scared she's going somewhere?
42:16No.
42:18I'm not scared, Jeremy.
42:19Your behaviour's disgusting.
42:21At the end of the day, Jeremy, things escalated between me and her.
42:25You split her head open.
42:26I didn't, Jeremy.
42:27I didn't split her head open, Jeremy.
42:29I didn't.
42:29You did.
42:30You cut my head open.
42:31Yeah, you did.
42:32Go on, girl.
42:33Tell him the truth.
42:34You cut, remember, you cut my, you punched me in the back of my head.
42:37You sliced my head open.
42:38That was not the worst of it.
42:40It was last year was the worst.
42:41You know how it felt?
42:43I was scared.
42:44You tell me you don't love me.
42:46You make me feel like I'm, basically.
42:50I do love you.
42:51That's the thing I do.
42:51Yeah, prove it to me, then.
42:52If you love me that much, why do it to me?
42:57Oh, God, I read the worst line.
43:00I'm so sorry, my dear friends.
43:01In the audience and at home, I'm going to really control myself.
43:04The biggest thing that Sharon can do today is show me respect.
43:10Yeah.
43:10And finally realise that what she's got is good.
43:14Take your hand open.
43:16That's what he said.
43:18What planet are you from, you woman beater?
43:22Take your hand open.
43:23Are you mad?
43:26You're not a woman beater.
43:28She's scared of you.
43:29She's only with you, mate, because she's too scared to run away.
43:32No, she's not.
43:33You lied to my team as well.
43:34A lie detector my backside.
43:36You're a violent thug.
43:37And thank God her mother told us we would never do a lie detector.
43:40You cannot keep hold of somebody forevermore.
43:43Because one day, and maybe it will be with my help, she's going to run away from you, mate,
43:47because she could do a lot better.
43:49She's terrified of you.
43:51Terrified.
43:51Look at that.
43:53Terrified.
43:56You're a woman beater.
43:57I'm not a woman beater, Jeremy.
43:59I thought she cheated.
44:01I punched her and I slapped her in the face.
44:03She, she, she, she, basically what had happened, right?
44:05There's no justification.
44:06You can talk to me from now to the end of time.
44:08You're a woman beater.
44:09I'm not a woman beater, Jeremy.
44:10Why would you make a break?
44:11Did you punch her in the face?
44:13No, I didn't, Jeremy.
44:14You hit her that night.
44:15I punched her.
44:15I've got it in my ears from what you were writing.
44:17I hit her that night.
44:18I punched her.
44:19Deny that you said that.
44:20In 2010, what had happened, right, was basically...
44:25Whatever.
44:26Sharon, yeah.
44:27It's a violent relationship.
44:29I've supported Sharon for four years, yeah?
44:31Sharon, Sharon.
44:32I've been there.
44:33It's like a droning noise in my ear.
44:35Let me tell you what I said before I even met you.
44:37No.
44:38So, if you care about that baby in any way, right, there are options.
44:45And I make you a promise on television, I'll show you those options,
44:50because you should get away from it as quickly as possible.
44:58You're not going to get angry with me, are you?
45:02You're not, are you?
45:04Do you know why?
45:06Because I'm not a woman.
45:08Not at all?
45:09Yeah.
45:10I'll fight a man and a woman.
45:11Oh, now we're showing our colours.
45:14You just said on national television that I'll fight a man and a woman.
45:18Sharon, it's not difficult.
45:22It's obvious.
45:23I mean, to be honest, I do love him to be, because there's nothing going to change that.
45:27At the end of the day, if something comes in my way, you know, if there's an obstacle in my
45:32way, you know, I get provoked.
45:34Yeah?
45:35I'm not listening to you, because actually of all the people I've ever spoken to, you are the most annoying.
45:39Sharon, listen to me.
45:40However much you love somebody, love is supposed to be a two-way street.
45:44And, yeah, sure, in relationships people have problems and they argue, sometimes split up.
45:51The way that you've been treated, and I go with your mother, some people look at it and go, she's
45:56allowed that because she's blinded by his love.
45:58Some people would say you're scared.
45:59Some people would say that you're controlled.
46:01You told me before he came out that you didn't want to be with him, really.
46:05Well, I mean, I do want to be with him, but then I don't know what's going to...
46:09My head is so messed up right now, I just don't know what to think, what to do.
46:14Listen, anybody in life has a choice, but essentially what I'm trying to say to you is, unless he changes,
46:20and you can't be with him whilst he learns to change,
46:24because you don't know whether he'll bother.
46:27You should, as a mother, nurturing an unborn child, that should be far more important than holding the hands of
46:33somebody who thinks it's all right to split your head open.
46:36You need to step away from him.
46:38It's the only advice I can give you.
46:40He even holds on to you.
46:42Can you walk away from him?
46:43No.
46:45I can't.
46:46I really can't.
46:47Can you have space from him whilst he tries to change his life?
46:51Well, I might have to sort of actually sit down.
46:54You've done a great job, pal.
46:55Great job.
46:57I've tried to be there for her, Jeremy.
46:59And the whole time...
47:01I totally understand where you're coming from.
47:03Whatever help you need, do think you need to step away.
47:07Everybody watching this will think that, but it's your life.
47:10But try and remember, there is always another option, there is always something better.
47:16And I think and hope that your safety and your child's safety would be your prime concern.
47:20We'll sit with you, we'll do whatever we can to help you, okay?
47:24Because you might just need our help.
47:27Do you want to leave together or are you going on your own?
47:32We're going to go together and see Graeme.
47:36Do you want to?
47:37Come on.
47:39Huh?
47:47You know what, I understand how people would react to that part.
47:51I think even you lot might understand how I would.
47:53You can't, though, make people change their minds.
47:56You can try and offer them a bit of insight.
47:58Graeme, I promise you, will work.
48:00Some people will watch that and go, Graeme can work with a guy and he can change.
48:04Our advice must always be, when there is a violent relationship, but God knows there's
48:07an eight-week pregnancy involved in this, that people separate, deal with their own stuff
48:11and when that's done, maybe they can get back together.
48:15My only concern right now is the unborn child and a girl who, whatever anybody tells me,
48:18has fear in her eyes.
48:19I'm out of time.
48:20Don't forget, if you want to be here, you need my help, visit the website.
48:22As ever, the details are on screen.
48:24To my guests, to this audience and to you at home, see you very soon.
48:27Take care.
48:27Bye-bye.
48:27Bye-bye.
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