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00:00On today's show, first memory of David was what?
00:04Beating my mum black and blue outside the house off of his face on her wing.
00:08He's a complete mess that minute.
00:10Where's he going?
00:11What sort of drugs?
00:13Edwin crack, coke, anything he can get his hands on them.
00:17That is you, so out of your face.
00:20Hey, listen.
00:20No, no, no.
00:21Don't talk to me like it.
00:22I'll talk to you how I want it.
00:26You don't want to get off this stuff, do you?
00:30It's the most evil, selfish idiot I've ever known in my life.
00:37You're not doing it no more, simple ads.
00:39This is your chance.
00:40You sort your head out now.
00:41Oh, that's it.
00:42We're done.
00:47She's 34.
00:49You say she's a terrible mum.
00:50She puts herself on the internet for sex.
00:52She even used to do heroin.
00:54I touch my phone, she.
00:56Bring it on!
01:11APPLAUSE
01:18Thank you, my friends.
01:19Good morning.
01:19It's ever a big, big welcome to the show.
01:21My first guest today, Carrie-Anne, is here to confront her stepdad, David, who she describes
01:25as a violent drunk that's put drugs and drink before his family.
01:28She says that David's addiction's got so bad, he's ruined his marriage and made himself
01:33homeless.
01:34And she is desperate to save him before, quite literally, this guy dies on the street.
01:38She says she's found David asleep, out rough, and he's even left drug needles lying around
01:43her house.
01:43She says today is his last chance to sort his life out.
01:47All this family will say goodbye forever, and this girl means it.
01:49Trust me.
01:50Carrie-Anne is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
01:54APPLAUSE
02:01This guy's your stepdad?
02:03Yeah.
02:03Let's make that point.
02:04Yeah.
02:05How long has he been in life?
02:07You're 26.
02:08Mm, 20 years.
02:0921 years.
02:10Let's talk about memories.
02:12First memory of David was what?
02:14Beating my mum black and blue outside the house, off of his face on her woman.
02:18He beats your mother black and blue?
02:21They were praying my mum, booting Doreen, punching her, kicking her.
02:25She was bleeding, and I got out of the car and whacked him with a metal pole.
02:29What sort of drugs?
02:30Edouin, mainly.
02:32Edouin, crack, coke, anything he can get his hands on, really.
02:36Your mum, Bobby, I mean, has really cut ties with this guy, because how long ago did
02:43they split?
02:44About five years ago now.
02:45She couldn't take it anymore?
02:46No, she couldn't take it anymore.
02:47She finished it?
02:47Yeah.
02:48I guess that he's going to come out and say, I'm going to change my life.
02:51I love Bobby.
02:52I want the family back.
02:53But you paint a pretty torrid picture of this guy.
02:55You say he drinks non-stop 20 cans a day.
02:59No, it's a lot more than that.
03:00He says about three cans a day.
03:03He'll say, I've only had three.
03:05He sneaks them down his pants, down his tops, round the house.
03:09What about when you see him on the streets?
03:10You've actually seen him.
03:11It's a mess.
03:12I don't even go into town because of him at a minute.
03:15Because my kids walk past him and say his grandad dead.
03:18Just imagine that for a moment.
03:20You just sat there.
03:21Just imagine a young kid saying, is that grandad and is he going to die?
03:25It's horrible.
03:26He's begging as well, isn't he, in the streets?
03:27He's begging on the streets.
03:29Begging for drink.
03:30I won't take him out.
03:30My mum will take him uptown.
03:33And they were begging over a day uptown in front of them.
03:35There's a word that a lot of people don't ever want to use.
03:39But when you look at him, do you feel pity or shame?
03:42Shame, really.
03:44You're ashamed of him?
03:45A little bit of pity, obviously, but because I still love him.
03:48He's still my stepdad.
03:50But he's a complete mess at the minute.
03:53They are gone.
03:53He's lost loads of weight.
03:55Where's he going?
03:57What are you doing?
03:59Come back.
04:00Well, do you know what?
04:01I never understand these people.
04:04Mate, I've spent my life running around this studio, but I ain't running after you.
04:08You're 46 years of age and your stepdaughter's good enough to be here.
04:11So why don't you get your backside out here and face up to the truth?
04:14Give him a round of applause.
04:15David, you do this.
04:16He's coming that way.
04:25You need to fart your head out.
04:27What do you think when you listen to what she says?
04:29I've been a pain in...
04:31You know, I've been a pain in...
04:33My kids could have touched them needles like you dropped about in your house.
04:37I've got off of it now.
04:39Dave, look at me.
04:40Why do you think you're here today?
04:43I started drinking out.
04:45But you are 46 years of age.
04:46You say, I used to work in bars.
04:48Drink was part of my life.
04:49I started using heroin 20 years ago.
04:51That is you, so out of your face, this picture, you are trying or believing that you can smoke.
04:58This is what you didn't believe you were doing when you went to stab me belly with that needle.
05:02When you came to my house straight after that.
05:05Come on.
05:06You tried to stab me with a syringe.
05:09Don't worry, because that's exactly what you've been doing in front of my kids and me.
05:14With that heroin needle in my mum's house.
05:16There's no change.
05:17And that's when you were back to my mum.
05:18What did you say?
05:18There's no change now.
05:20What, is that why you rang the show?
05:21I didn't ring the show.
05:22Of course you didn't ring the show, because you don't want to check.
05:24What?
05:25No, I didn't.
05:26Well, why not?
05:27Because if you want to change, why wouldn't you ring the show?
05:29Because they're still wiping your backside because somebody else.
05:31Because you don't want to get off this stuff, do you?
05:33Hey, listen.
05:34No, no, no.
05:35Don't talk to me like this.
05:36I'll talk to you how I want.
05:43So you think it's all right to go round to your stepdaughter's house with a syringe,
05:47wherever, that you take drugs, attempt to...
05:50Who are you?
05:51I'm Bobby.
05:52Act like it.
05:53Don't upset her.
05:54And if you're wasting time, just don't bother.
05:56Are you, sorry, are you her mum?
05:57Yeah, I am.
05:58You're upsetting her now.
05:59Sort your head out.
06:00How long have you been apart from him?
06:02Five years.
06:03He seems to think it's my fault now.
06:05He's at something's house.
06:06It's everybody's fault.
06:07It's a victim.
06:08Stop talking to me like that.
06:09He's like a child.
06:10What'd you say?
06:10Stop talking to me like that.
06:12Shall I tell you why you do my bleeding head in?
06:14Because they've told me this morning.
06:15You might like this.
06:16In fact, I will bring you out.
06:17The only reason he's here for your information isn't to get clean.
06:21He wants you back.
06:22You won't think about the kids, not me.
06:24You're a fault.
06:25What?
06:25You're a good fault to stay clean.
06:27Well, if you want to stay clean, why didn't you phone the Jeremy Kyle show?
06:30Because somebody else did it for you.
06:32If you're not interested, if you only want to, bring me a chair.
06:35This is Bobby.
06:36Give her a round of applause.
06:37Come here.
06:45Stop making excuses.
06:46You're not a child.
06:47Man up.
06:49What was your marriage like, truthfully?
06:53Swings and roundabouts.
06:54When he weren't using his...
06:56My soulmate.
06:57When he's using his most evil, selfish idiot I've ever known in my life.
07:02Don't give a **** out nobody else's feelings.
07:04Physical abuse in the past.
07:06What?
07:07I've got time, mate, I'm as bad as him.
07:08If he does it with me, believe you me, he's going down the ****.
07:11I'm not going to get off with it.
07:13If we are...
07:14I am not going to lie.
07:15If he tries it with me, believe you me, I've been battered when I were younger.
07:18I'll never be battered by no bloke.
07:20Well, I love you anyway, before we even start this.
07:22But what's interesting listening to you is, is that you keep talking about your kids.
07:26I love these kids.
07:31Do you love them when you're trying to stab them with a syringe?
07:35Do you?
07:36Well, I don't remember doing these things.
07:37No, because you're drunk.
07:39Because guess what?
07:40You're off your face.
07:41We've got to live with the repercussions, not you.
07:43Listen, you really expected her to come here today and wipe your backside like she has for 20 years.
07:48She's had enough, mate.
07:49I find it extraordinary to think that kids who aren't even related to you, okay, are here today because they're
07:56saying,
07:56this is it, you're 46 years of age.
08:00Oh, Jess, sir.
08:01Who are you?
08:02Who are you?
08:02I'm Jordan.
08:03I'm his stepson.
08:04The one that he should be listening to and sorting his head out for grandkids that he doesn't get to
08:07see.
08:08And you've been that off your head, that disgusting, that embarrassing to us,
08:12that he's so stupid, trying to get down to my daughter and have me stopped from seeing her because of
08:18you being in stares.
08:18Go on, answer him.
08:19Don't turn your face.
08:21Why is that down to me?
08:22Why is that down to you?
08:23So you're putting an eagle in your groin, what about when I was 12 and 13 year old and you
08:28were sent out for dog food?
08:29With me and Karen injected away at home, what about that, eh?
08:33Yeah, mum knows about it now.
08:35Yeah, I do.
08:35He took you out when you were 12, Jordan, and you saw him in.
08:3912 and 13 year old when we lived in Wakefield, yeah.
08:40I know I've messed up.
08:41And I know I've messed up all of it, but things happen.
08:42Give me another check.
08:43Get Jordan on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
08:45Give him a round of applause as well.
08:47Nice to meet you.
08:54How many times do you want to do it?
08:56You're not doing it no more.
08:57Simple as, this is your chance.
08:59You saw your head out now, or that's it.
09:01We're done.
09:01You don't come to work.
09:06You can cut out of it, or you can get out of it, but you're not going to be disappointed.
09:09But you know what the problem is?
09:10Do you know what the problem is?
09:11Really good to meet you, and I can't even believe these kids give a day.
09:14You can't look anybody in the face, can you?
09:16This is you.
09:17What if he thinks he'll come back to my house where he's been stopping at me, and he'll get
09:22a chance, but don't we know, you're gone.
09:23I found him on seat for me.
09:24What I'm saying, look at me, look at me.
09:26You're not going to hear me or my kids again.
09:27These kids are not even related to you, and they're trying to tell you the truth.
09:30You're 46 years of age.
09:32What are you going to do?
09:33Your stepchildren, your ex-wife, are embarrassed and ashamed of you because you decide to
09:39drink, you decide to put that drugs into you, and look at this lot.
09:42They could have gone down the line.
09:43They haven't.
09:44They work.
09:44They live their lives, and guess what?
09:45You, you're just a sad, pitiful excuse.
09:48You're one of those people who go, oh, I've had a hard life.
09:50You haven't had a hard life.
09:51They could have been messed up because, what did you say?
09:54Yeah, I messed up.
09:54What did you say?
09:55You haven't got a clue.
09:56What?
09:57You haven't got a clue.
09:58Go on, men.
09:58Try telling it.
09:59I'm not going to explain it in your own words and try to justify it, and then your excuse is
10:03like your age group.
10:04Hold on a second.
10:04Bobby, hold on a second.
10:05Why don't you listen to this kid who's amazing instead of having a go at me?
10:08Listen to what?
10:09Turn your sad head and listen to what he just said.
10:11What?
10:12You shouldn't have a look at him, will you?
10:13Do you remember 1993 when you first got with my mother?
10:17With us turning around calling your dad, you standing there saying, you know who your real
10:22dad is, only call me dad if you mean it.
10:24Oh, what do I see that as?
10:25A responsible role model.
10:27Where's all that gone?
10:28Because when did that come into it, it's gone straight down to Swanee with a kind of special report
10:32over the top, ain't it?
10:34Do you know what people used to say to Jordan in school, Dad?
10:37Shh, shh, shh.
10:38Oi, Dave.
10:39You go.
10:39Dave.
10:40You go.
10:40Dave, don't run.
10:41Run, yeah, run.
10:43Go, go.
10:44Well, Saturday, right, everybody's over Blackpool, aren't they?
10:49A lot of people go over Blackpool on a Saturday.
10:51He decides to sit right next to the arses where all the carriages are and everything.
10:57So anybody comes from our end over to see, it's good to see him like that.
11:02Laid one o'clock in the afternoon, fast asleep, right, muck all over his face, I didn't even
11:09recognise him, coat torn our way down to here.
11:14Hold on a sec, hold on a sec.
11:14And spit all over his face.
11:16Look at me, look at me, look at me, is the reality not?
11:19And I said something, some people in the audience went, oh, your son, stepson, stepdaughter,
11:24ex-wife just said, go.
11:26You can go out of that door today.
11:27You can get yourself a can, right, and you will end up dying in a gutter.
11:32But there are people here who actually genuinely give a damn.
11:36And you know the only way, no, no, through your side, just for a minute, try and use the
11:40power you use when you want to score or you want to get some booze.
11:43Listen to me a minute.
11:44I will not have people come out of this door when they've messed people's lives up and
11:48go, oh, I'm ready to change.
11:50You're not ready to change.
11:51You didn't ring this show.
11:53These kids are amazing to even be here for you.
11:56Amazing.
11:57Well, why don't you listen to what they're saying?
11:59Why don't you show a semblance of understanding?
12:02This kid's incredible and this girl's incredible.
12:04Can you see how upset he is?
12:05Dave, have you got any remorse for anything you've done to these kids?
12:09Because I have.
12:10What?
12:10I know I've messed up.
12:11Right, you've got three minutes, three minutes to work out two things.
12:16Why are you here and what do you want to say to this?
12:18I'm back after this break.
12:19Don't go anywhere.
12:20Get your head up.
12:22Get yourself sat up straight and start your head out, mate.
12:26It's your last chance.
12:28It's your last chance, mate.
12:31I'm telling you now, this is the last time you will see these eyes if you don't do this.
12:35You won't have a fear.
12:35I guarantee to you, I'll look opposite end of country instead of coming to you.
12:39I'm not bothered, I've had enough embarrassment.
12:41I'll never be your friend again, I'll never help you again, I'll never make a call again if you don't
12:46do this.
12:56I'll never be your friend again.
12:57Welcome back.
12:58Before the break.
12:59Basically, we were talking to a whole host of people centred on this man, Dave.
13:01Dave, Carrie-Anne came out, you said, as did Jordan.
13:04Your stepdad, a guy who for 20 years has drunk, has taken drugs.
13:08Can I just have that photo back up again, please, Matt?
13:11Because this is what...
13:13No, no, you are going to look at this.
13:15Your stepdaughter told me...
13:17I can't even look at it in my sensor.
13:18You tried to stab her with a syringe that she'd administer drugs to yourself,
13:23and then you are so off your face, you think it's a cigarette.
13:27Dave, this is the reality.
13:30Stupidness, I know it is.
13:31What?
13:32Stupidness.
13:33I'm rid of a mess.
13:33Stupidness?
13:35Selfishness.
13:36It's the last...
13:37It was selfishness.
13:39You've been a mess for 20 years, pal.
13:42You don't care about these kids or these people.
13:45What?
13:46Why haven't you done something about it before?
13:48If you did, you wouldn't get in that state, no, my kids, and that, don't I?
13:52See, what's really interesting about a story like this is,
13:54and you can't get your eyes off the floor,
13:55this isn't me.
13:57You can have a go at me.
13:58This is an incredible stepdaughter and an incredible stepson
14:01who actually, and people who watch this show every day,
14:04they should be on drugs, shouldn't they?
14:06They should be drinking.
14:07Their life should be muck because of you,
14:09but you know what?
14:09Because of their mother and because they've got a brain in their head,
14:12they've done well, and today's the last chance.
14:14This story is an incredible one.
14:16I know you don't mind this, Karen.
14:18Your ex-partner is a guy called Jason, right?
14:21Let's get Jason on the Jeremy Carl Show.
14:22Give this guy a welcome, please.
14:29Today, mate, you need to sort this.
14:31I didn't see that.
14:32If I'd have seen that before today,
14:34you wouldn't be in my house, mate, near my kids.
14:37They're my kids, yeah?
14:39My kids, and if we weren't on the stage now, mate,
14:42I'd be giving you one of them right now.
14:43And if my kids would have never seen you like that adequately.
14:46Get your head up, get yourself sat up straight,
14:48and sort your head out, mate.
14:50Because today is your last chance.
14:53Your last chance, mate.
14:56If my kids don't love you, mate,
14:58they love you, and do you think they like seeing you in that stage?
15:01One at a time, Carrie, Carrie-Anne, Carrie-Anne.
15:05I'm going to tell you about this guy, right?
15:07Really, really pleased to meet you.
15:09This guy is no longer with Carrie-Anne,
15:11but he's a great father.
15:11And the irony of this man is,
15:13you used to be on drugs, didn't you?
15:15Yeah, I did, yeah.
15:15And you got completely clean.
15:17I did.
15:17And then you see, yeah.
15:20And you see that in your house.
15:23Today.
15:24He did it, why can't you do it?
15:27What, what, I'm trying to attend it now.
15:29You didn't ring the Jeremy Carl Show.
15:31You've got to want it, you've got to care.
15:33You've got to want it.
15:34How many times have I clothed you,
15:36give you clothes, give you trainers?
15:39Yeah, I don't know.
15:39Yeah, and within two minutes, you've gone back.
15:41And you've got to...
15:43You've gone and slanked in a coal bunker.
15:45Take a seat, please.
15:46This is you that puts this stuff in.
15:48This guy beat this.
15:49These people have wiped your backside, Dave, for years.
15:53And you know what?
15:53Bob is right.
15:54She don't want you back.
15:55And I said something before the break,
15:57and everyone, you will die in a gutter.
15:59And do you know what will happen?
16:00You'll die, man.
16:01It's already you've been told he's going to die, though.
16:03I've seen you in them six, you like.
16:03How do you think I feel when I'm nearly 150 miles away from you
16:07and I can't just click a finger like that
16:08and come to sort things out?
16:10Do you not care about your life?
16:11Do you want to die?
16:11I've got to think about working to work my living
16:13instead of staying alive.
16:15Not drop everything at last minute
16:16to come sort your problems out.
16:18You want to live?
16:19Of course I do.
16:19Why?
16:20Because I love my family.
16:22I have messed up.
16:23And I know I've done that.
16:26You know, I am trying to sort it now.
16:29How much do you love your family?
16:30And I can't...
16:31Well, I can't...
16:31You don't realise, though,
16:33Jeremy's here to help you.
16:34She did what to me for the last couple of weeks.
16:36Don't talk to me like that.
16:37You're not listening to him, are you?
16:38Listen to him.
16:39Don't talk to me like that.
16:41You're supposed to say thank you to this guy.
16:43He thinks he's above everybody.
16:45Anybody tries to help him, he talks down.
16:47He's trying to do what everybody's tried
16:49for 21, nearly 22, yeah, now.
16:52He's trying to do what everybody else has tried doing.
16:55Offered on a plate, wiped your backside.
16:56At the end of the day, on it, what are you going to see?
16:58It's by us telling you it straight.
17:00Simple as this is it now.
17:01You don't take the help today, that's it.
17:03I'm telling you, mate.
17:04Don't ever think of me.
17:05You're going nowhere.
17:06Because I am going.
17:07And I guarantee I will not move over there like I've promised.
17:10Why are you here today?
17:11Nobody else.
17:12Why are you here today?
17:12To get things sorted out.
17:14How are you going to get it sorted out?
17:15Well, for one, I'm staying away from it.
17:17How are you?
17:18No, but you've only been at my two days, don't we?
17:21I walked past Kazza's side gate this morning.
17:23Three cans I've just thrown up at the side.
17:25Oh, no way.
17:27Here's the thing.
17:28Right.
17:29If you don't do something about this,
17:33however hard that will be,
17:36your family don't want to know,
17:38your grandchildren will forever grow up
17:41knowing that their granddad was, what, a waste of space?
17:44And whatever you think, right,
17:47I know, can I, sorry,
17:49do you know, I know, because I've done this a long time,
17:50people will go, what do you know?
17:51No, I'm not an alcoholic.
17:53But I'll tell you what I do know.
17:55Every single person in this world,
17:58maybe most,
17:59given the opportunity,
18:01can turn things around.
18:02But I will not,
18:04and these people are right on my wavelength,
18:06usually I have to argue with everybody,
18:07I am not going to lay out the red carpet
18:10and help you,
18:11you selfish man,
18:13when you don't even acknowledge
18:15what you've done to your family
18:17and you have a go at me
18:18when I'm about to damn well help you
18:20and I want to know why I should bother right now, Dave.
18:22That's what I'm thinking.
18:24And I'm not hearing anything.
18:26Tell me then,
18:27why,
18:27why should I,
18:29why should I help you?
18:31Move that way, Tone.
18:33Look at that screen right now.
18:34Turn your head.
18:35I see it.
18:36No, no, no, no, no.
18:37I see it.
18:37No, no, no, no.
18:37I see it.
18:37No, no, no, no, no.
18:38Something else.
18:38Do you know what that is?
18:41Do you know what that is?
18:44Yeah.
18:45That, what'd she say?
18:46You better not have just said you're not going.
18:48Because that's it.
18:49Guess what that is.
18:51Guess what that is.
18:52I don't want to talk to the bag before of anything.
18:54At the end of the day,
18:54that is your final chance.
18:56She's told you.
18:57Right, spring tomorrow.
18:58She don't want to be with you until your party.
18:59All of us back in your life.
19:01When you do it until that.
19:02Did you hear what she just said?
19:04You can have us all.
19:05See this?
19:06Look at this.
19:06This is my mum's wedding ring that you bought her, yeah?
19:09She's getting it to me to save.
19:11Eternity.
19:12Because she won't not wear it until you're clean.
19:14Did you hear what she said?
19:15Everybody else, nothing in a minute.
19:17Did you hear what she just said?
19:19You can have us all back if you get clean.
19:22Let me tell you exactly what's going to happen.
19:24If you want, if you don't,
19:26and the audience will go,
19:27go back, go on the streets, kill yourself.
19:29Because that's the reality.
19:30That's what...
19:31Or you can come with me,
19:32and you can get in that car.
19:32But here's what's going to happen.
19:33For 12 weeks, three months,
19:36you will be detoxed.
19:38The Perry Clayman Project is an amazing organisation
19:40that we work with.
19:41They will do this.
19:43It will be hell on earth.
19:44You, from this moment, my friend...
19:46But we'll be there.
19:47I promise you, no.
19:48We'll never be able...
19:50I will move on when you get out.
19:51There you are.
19:51He'll move to when you get out.
19:52We'll never be able to drink again.
19:55And I'm going to tell you something now
19:56that the audience will know.
19:58You will never...
20:00Never in your life,
20:01I promise you from the bottom of my heart, Dave,
20:03you will never get a better opportunity.
20:05This is thousands of pounds.
20:07It's for you.
20:08But let me tell you what.
20:09Are you strong enough to do that?
20:11Mm-hmm.
20:11Yeah.
20:12Yeah, well, prove to us then.
20:13Prove to us.
20:13I'm going to take the family to the car.
20:15Are you strong enough to come with us?
20:16Because I'm not doing the rest.
20:18Jeff, you come on now.
20:19Jeff, all come on.
20:20Guys, come on.
20:21Let's go.
20:21Are you coming, Dave?
20:22No, no.
20:22Are you coming?
20:23Sure, Joyce, you walk with us
20:24or you walk off that way.
20:25Yeah, well...
20:26It's not about her.
20:27Go, go, go.
20:28Go, go.
20:31All it is.
20:33Why is it all about her?
20:35Why is it all about her?
20:37Sonny.
20:39It's all about Bobby, isn't it?
20:41We're going here, aren't we?
20:42We're going here.
20:42This way.
20:43One sec.
20:45It's not about...
20:46It's not about Bobby.
20:47This is about you.
20:48I love you.
20:48Look what it means to your family
20:49and you don't even look bothered.
20:51My baby.
20:52Okay, darling.
20:5312 weeks.
20:53Whatever.
20:54You don't say this.
20:55It's about you doing it.
20:55This is your final chance.
20:57Can you say this to me?
20:58I'm telling you now.
20:58Look me in the eyes now.
20:59If he walks out of this,
21:00I'll go mad.
21:01I'm telling you now,
21:02this is the last time you will see these eyes
21:03if you don't do this.
21:04You've got to help me.
21:05I guarantee to you,
21:06I'll move opposite end of country
21:07instead of coming to you.
21:09I'm not bothered.
21:09I've had enough embarrassment.
21:11I'll never be your friend again.
21:12I'll never help you again.
21:13I'll never make a call again
21:14if you don't do this.
21:16Just nobody.
21:18This is the scariest thing ever, right?
21:20I acknowledge that.
21:21Look at me.
21:23But do you know what you don't get?
21:25This is a chance.
21:26This is the best chance
21:28to change your life forever.
21:29And you can do this.
21:30It's scary
21:31and it's easy to think I'll quit
21:32or I'll have a drink.
21:33And you might go to this
21:35and leave within a day
21:35in which case
21:36you can do what you want
21:37because I'll have wasted
21:38thousands of pounds.
21:39But these guys
21:41convinced us
21:42that you matter
21:43and they're good.
21:44And this is horrible.
21:45This is going to be
21:45the worst nightmare of your life,
21:47Dave.
21:47I'm going to dress this up.
21:48This will be hell on earth.
21:49The question is,
21:50round there is a car.
21:51Do you love these people
21:52enough to change your life?
21:53Because I don't think you do.
21:54I'm going to the car.
21:54You can do what you want.
21:58Perry, how are you?
21:58Your family are amazing.
22:00Family are amazing.
22:03Guys, this is Perry Clayman.
22:05Perry, in layman's terms,
22:07an amazing man.
22:08Tell them what you're offering.
22:08We're offering you today
22:1012 weeks residential rehabilitation
22:13at our centre in Chelmsford
22:16where we're going to
22:17detox you first of all
22:19and give you the therapy
22:20and the rehab
22:22that you need
22:23to give you your life back.
22:25And this is drugs and alcohol?
22:26Right, drugs and alcohol.
22:27He substitutes both
22:28one for the other,
22:29doesn't he?
22:29Well, he's had...
22:30You're only looking at her.
22:32Listen to the professionals.
22:34your addiction
22:35is totally out of control.
22:37And what you heard
22:38from your family
22:39is true, isn't it?
22:40Yeah.
22:41You can't live in denial
22:42any longer.
22:43These people
22:44are suffering
22:45as a result of your addiction.
22:47But you have to do this for you.
22:48And I'm not seeing
22:49over the past 30 years
22:51a great deal of motivation
22:52from you
22:53in order to change your life.
22:55And I'm hoping
22:56that we see it today.
22:57You won't get a better chance.
22:58This man
22:59is laying this out.
23:02I want you to understand
23:03why we have chosen
23:04this project, okay?
23:05Not only is it
23:06an excellent project,
23:08these people
23:09can detox you
23:10from two substances,
23:11okay?
23:12From heroin
23:12and from alcohol.
23:14That's going to be
23:15a struggle for you.
23:16That will be
23:17a struggle for you, okay?
23:19And then on the back of that,
23:20they can deal with
23:21the underlying reasons
23:22for this.
23:23But more importantly...
23:24Come here, come here.
23:25Come here.
23:25Come here to me.
23:26Look at me.
23:27Look at me.
23:28Look at me.
23:28Look at me.
23:29Look at me.
23:29Look at me.
23:29I swear to you in my life
23:31this is the best chance
23:31ever looking at me.
23:32Do you feel like
23:32saying right to me?
23:34You're not saying right.
23:35You come and me.
23:35Come and me.
23:36Do you trust me?
23:36Do you trust me?
23:37Do you trust me?
23:38Right, I want you
23:39to understand something.
23:40He just said to me
23:40it feels like
23:41I'm saying goodbye
23:41to my dad.
24:05You've got a place
24:07when you get out
24:07and do well.
24:08Thank you, Perry,
24:09as ever.
24:10Dave?
24:11I will if I can, yeah.
24:12Dave?
24:13You concentrate on yourself.
24:14Last word from me.
24:16If you walk out of this
24:17you won't be letting me down
24:18or yourself all of these.
24:20Come back here
24:21in six months
24:22and I swear to God
24:23look at me.
24:24Come back on this show
24:25in six months
24:25and show the world
24:26you can change.
24:27Yes or no?
24:28Get in that car.
24:29You're going.
24:29Say goodbye, guys.
24:31Go.
24:33Come back.
24:35Sorted.
24:36You have a family
24:38to come back to.
24:39Goodbye.
24:39Go.
24:40I'll make sure.
24:40Make sure you do it.
24:44Thank you, Jeremy.
24:46Thank you, Jeremy.
24:48Scary, right?
24:49One thing.
24:50How old are you?
24:51Am I asking?
24:52I'm 23.
24:52Listen to me.
24:53And it's all I've noticed.
24:54I've been two years old.
24:55It's all I've seen.
24:56And it's just got worse
24:57and worse and worse.
24:58I've got to pay you a compliment.
24:59I've done this for ten years.
25:00Graham and Perry
25:01and the guys that work with us.
25:03You are absolutely spot on.
25:04So many families
25:05in your position
25:05come on
25:06and they go,
25:07oh, you know what?
25:08There comes a point,
25:09doesn't there, Gray,
25:10where you just have to go,
25:11it's now or never.
25:12We will support you
25:13as a family.
25:15We will certainly
25:15do everything we can
25:17for him
25:17over the last three months.
25:19I'm going to leave you
25:19with Graham
25:20and I promise you
25:21we'll get him back here
25:22and I promise you
25:23it'll be sorted.
25:23Give him a round of applause,
25:24ladies and gentlemen.
25:28That's the point.
25:29We'll let you know
25:29what happens today
25:30with a 12-week
25:32residential PCP call.
25:33So let's bring him back here
25:34in six months
25:34and see if he can change his life.
25:36And join us after the break.
25:36On that stage,
25:37a woman is here
25:38to disown a cousin
25:39who she says
25:40is a bad mother
25:40that sleeps with strangers
25:41on the internet.
25:42You don't want to miss it.
25:43I'm right back.
25:43Don't go anywhere.
25:45She's 34.
25:45You say she's a terrible mum.
25:47She puts herself
25:47on the internet
25:48for sex.
25:49She even used
25:50to do heroin.
25:51I touch math,
25:52I'm sure you're
25:53bringing it on!
26:00Do you not want
26:00your girlfriend
26:01to know the truth?
26:02What's going on?
26:02That's not going on me.
26:03What if she cheated on you?
26:04How would you feel about that?
26:05I'd still love her.
26:07What's the truth?
26:07Give me those
26:08life detector results.
26:09Is this the start
26:10of your relationship
26:10with Arnie?
26:11Have you passionately
26:11kissed anyone else?
26:12You said no.
26:12Why'd you say no?
26:14I was telling the truth.
26:17Test test your future
26:18wife's a liar, mate.
26:19Hey?
26:22Did you cheat on her?
26:25You're going to pass?
26:26Yeah.
26:27You look as guilty
26:27as sin.
26:28When the test was being
26:29taken,
26:30you actually wrestled
26:31with the examiner
26:32and tried to nick a bottle of vodka from the minibar.
26:36It's over-closure.
26:44Blow me over backwards, you were lying.
26:48Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
26:51Do you need that all-important DNA test?
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27:22Good morning, welcome back to my next guest today.
27:24Anne-Marie is here to confront her cousin Louise,
27:26whom she says is not only a terrible mother
27:28who puts men before her own kids,
27:30but basically says has brought shame on the entire family
27:33by sleeping with strangers from the internet.
27:35She uses drugs, including heroin,
27:37and today, Anne-Marie says she's here to tell her cousin,
27:39you're a disgrace.
27:41Stop harassing me.
27:42Get out of my life.
27:43I frankly want nothing more to do with you.
27:45Anne-Marie is next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
27:47Who's going to do with her that way?
27:50Um, hello?
27:56Right?
27:57Well, sort of.
27:58Um, Louise is your cousin.
27:59Yep.
28:00You're 31, she's 34.
28:01Louise has always been jealous of me, even as a child.
28:04She hated the fact that nobody liked her.
28:05Yeah, she threw a rake over my head.
28:07A rake over your head?
28:08She's like got a rake and went whoop like that.
28:10She was in her mum's garden.
28:12How old were you when you had a rake over your head?
28:14I was 13.
28:15She hit me in the head with a rake when I was 13.
28:18I had to get stitches. She didn't even apologise.
28:20No.
28:22She's 34. You say she's a terrible mum.
28:25Yep. Why?
28:26Well, she puts herself on the internet for sex.
28:29What do you mean? No, no, no. Hold on a minute.
28:31I'm told.
28:32Shut up!
28:32Shut up!
28:34Shut up!
28:35Shut up!
28:39I touch your mouth if I was you.
28:41Who are you?
28:42Our cousin.
28:43Are you Louise?
28:45I was just about to find out about the internet.
28:47Stop spoiling it. Get back in there.
28:49You're the dirty little...
28:51Bring it on!
28:54Bring it on!
28:59Sorry.
29:03She puts herself on the internet?
29:05What?
29:06For like dating sites and for sex.
29:10Dating sites?
29:11And everything else.
29:12She even used to do heroin.
29:15And I bet you she's still on it.
29:17It's not like she does it now, is it?
29:20Nice.
29:20For like dating sites.
29:22Alicia, who's her sister, is vile.
29:29She walks like a penguin, she's that fat.
29:36And you can shut up, it's my show.
29:38Party your backside and come out when I say lose the picture.
29:41Go on!
29:43Now, what's it about bingo?
29:45Oh yeah, I went to bingo with my mate Kelly.
29:47I've got a dabber, go on.
29:48Right.
29:50We're just about to do the second half of the bingo.
29:52And you have Alicia coming up to her and saying,
29:55why are you sitting with her?
29:57It's her.
29:57At the bingo.
29:58At the bingo.
29:58So she's dragged Kelly up from the bingo.
30:02Out.
30:02She dragged her out?
30:03Yeah.
30:03So there was no longer a full out?
30:05Yeah.
30:07Right, cousin Louise is on the Jeremy Cloud show.
30:10That way.
30:18You're a dirty little bingo.
30:20You're the one who sleeps with 50 blokes in less than a year.
30:23Really?
30:24Five within one week.
30:26Really?
30:26Five within one week.
30:28Really?
30:28Really?
30:28No!
30:29No, don't youut!
30:29You've gone literally your house out!
30:31You've gone your house out, lad!
30:35No, don't youut!
30:36You've gone your house out, lad!
30:36You've gone your house out, lad!
30:37you've gone...
30:38...and youut!
30:39I've haven't got me by my house out, please.
30:40No, you ain't.
30:41You ain't?
30:42No, you ain't.
30:42There's no house!
30:44I've never got a house.
30:45I've never got your house!
30:46She's living in your house!
30:47Excuse me.
30:48Hello, Jeremy.
30:49That's the babysat kids with no l전에 for 40 hours.
30:53That's why they're scary!
30:54You're a dirty little...
30:56...and you're a dirty little some...
30:58Room and you can talk to her and you can sit down
31:06What the hell's this all about?
31:08And then I said I put a rake over her head, I was doing my mum's garden
31:11Well you missed the grass didn't you?
31:13No, I went like that with the rake, I told her to move
31:16Oh no you did not
31:17Yes I did
31:18No you did not
31:20Yes no I did sorry
31:21Sorry can I just assume that in the last 20 years since you allegedly were trying to pull up some
31:25leaves but actually got her head
31:26I was six
31:27I was six when the rake thing happened
31:29What is this about, you're both accusing each other of what, sleeping with people off the internet, apparently you take
31:34heroin
31:35I used to
31:35What about these men, strangers from the internet, what's that all about?
31:39I don't even have, I have Facebook Jeremy, I don't have no
31:42I don't quite like being at this angle in front of you, I'm just going to move over here a
31:44minute
31:44Sorry
31:46I have Facebook, I don't have no...
31:49You said that she slept with 50 men, is that true?
31:51No it's not true
31:52If you go on her Facebook account, within a week she had five different, five different pictures saying she was...
32:00Orgies apparently, you said orgies?
32:02No
32:02What's an orgy?
32:04What?
32:05You shut your mouth up there, it's not your saying, keep quiet until it's your turn to come on the
32:10stage
32:10Yeah, of course, that's what I was going to say
32:14What, what, what are you actually arguing about?
32:18Pfff
32:21Pfff
32:21I want to move and she's put on Facebook...
32:26What's your sister called?
32:27What's your sister?
32:28Alisha
32:28The one who she says walks like a penguin?
32:31Yeah, she strangled me
32:32Alisha's on the Jeremy Cowell show this way
32:34Oh wait
32:39Oh wait
32:40You called more trouble with her family than I do, aren't you Louise?
32:43I'm telling you if you called family, yeah, you ain't got no family after today
32:47Trust me, you're on your own from now
32:49Shut her out...
32:58Go and sit down
32:59I am.
33:00I am.
33:01I am.
33:02I am.
33:02I am.
33:02I am.
33:03I am.
33:04Hello.
33:04I am.
33:05I am.
33:06Hello.
33:11Could you be quiet?
33:12I don't have nothing to do with you, Eva.
33:14What?
33:14Would you bring us here then?
33:15We don't have to talk to you.
33:17I can't.
33:18My kids would rather be at home this night looking at you.
33:21Oh, that's nice.
33:22What about my feelings?
33:23Oh, go on.
33:23We were excited about meeting you.
33:25We won't share any day, Jeremy.
33:26Be quiet.
33:27Be quiet.
33:27Alicia, you're her sister.
33:29Yes.
33:29What's going on here?
33:30Do you know what I honestly don't know?
33:31We haven't spoke to her in months, right?
33:34And Kelly come and live with my sister.
33:35You said she's an attention seeker who sleeps around.
33:37She is an attention seeker.
33:37Alicia, you're obsessed with her.
33:39You're obsessed with her.
33:42You're obsessed with her.
33:43No.
33:44No.
33:44No.
33:45No.
33:46No.
34:09I thought the highlight of the whole thing was when I said, why are you here?
34:13And she went, I don't know.
34:15What's your friend called?
34:17Kelly on the Jeremy Kyle show.
34:19No.
34:24No.
34:25No.
34:32No.
34:35No.
34:36No.
34:37No.
34:38No.
34:39No.
34:41No.
34:44No.
34:45No.
34:47Okay.
34:48No.
34:49No.
34:49I know where water is mate, I know where bubble bath is.
34:52I know where bubble bath is, yeah?
34:54What?
34:55Yeah, what?
34:57Let me get this absolute, let me get this.
35:00Hello, let me get this absolute.
35:02Let me get this absolute.
35:03Let me get this right.
35:05You be quiet, you be quiet, you be quiet and you park your backside and look at me.
35:08You're a mate, right?
35:09Can I tell you something without anybody saying, oh God, don't scowl love because I can do it worse.
35:13This is the biggest joke I've ever heard in my life.
35:16Essentially, what we're talking about is what?
35:20A bunch of slightly ageing women slagging each other.
35:24It's a fact.
35:25Slagging each other off.
35:26Based on what?
35:28Nothing tangible.
35:29You did this, you did that.
35:30Right, one at a time.
35:32What's going on here?
35:33It's pointless.
35:34It's BS, isn't it?
35:35They're making me choose either be their friends or aunts.
35:39Right.
35:39I went to school with both of them.
35:40Brilliant.
35:40But Alicia gets involved all the time.
35:43All we've got, Alicia, Alicia, Alicia.
35:46Don't give her the evil love.
35:47And all we've got so far is a rake that might or might not have hit her head and going...
35:51She strangled me.
35:52Oh, well, anyway.
35:53Well, that's not great.
35:54We've also...
35:55Is it all right for you to break my glasses and I had to wait for three weeks?
35:58Oh, my lord.
35:58We've also...
35:58Don't start!
35:59We've also got...
36:00You've strangled me so I ripped your glasses off your face to get your hands from around my
36:04throat.
36:05That's good.
36:05That's good.
36:06Just for you.
36:08So here's the thing.
36:09So the bottom line is, apart from the glasses and the rake, you're both saying you sleep
36:17around with a variety of men.
36:19Some of you, all of you might have...
36:20I've slept with two blokes in five years.
36:22I don't wish to know.
36:23I just...
36:25Whether it's...
36:26How many have you slept with in five years?
36:28I haven't.
36:29Just the one?
36:30Lost count.
36:30No, not last night.
36:32I'm talking about the last one.
36:32Lost count!
36:32My partner!
36:34I'm never on the internet.
36:35Alicia, how many men have you slept with in the last five years?
36:38One.
36:39One?
36:40I'll tell you what, it's extraordinary, isn't it?
36:41All of you slept with one person.
36:43All of you were...
36:43So you slag each other off, you call each other bad mothers and drug takers...
36:48She ain't a...
36:48Who is?
36:49Why are you not all friends?
36:51It's ridiculous!
36:52Because, hold on, these two would talk nicely if you didn't have that one sat on the
36:56end, running back and forth, saying...
36:58So she's the problem.
36:59Yes, you are.
36:59Because you sat in Louise's house and slagged her down to the ball.
37:04And then you sit with Anne and you slagged her down.
37:06But you're making me choose.
37:07No, no, no, no.
37:08Maybe these two should sit and sort their relationship out and f*** you off.
37:11What about bingo all?
37:13What about bingo all?
37:14Hold on!
37:15You sat in Louise's house and slagged her off!
37:18You slagged her off!
37:18You shut your f*** up!
37:19You shut your f*** up!
37:21You shut your f*** up!
37:22Shut your f*** up!
37:23Shut your f*** up!
37:24Shut your f*** up!
37:26Shut your f*** up!
37:27Shut your f*** up!
37:27Shut your f*** up!
37:28What do you care?
37:29That's it!
37:30It's one way!
37:31It's one way!
37:31It's one way!
37:32It's one way!
37:32It's one way!
37:33It's one way!
37:33It's one way!
37:33It's one way!
37:34She's the trouble!
37:35Not her!
37:36You don't understand what she has sat in her house and said about you!
37:39So, Alicia!
37:40I've been told she's been slagging me up!
37:42No, she hasn't!
37:43So, if I was going to go down that route, you could perhaps leave the stage.
37:48Is that all right?
37:48And these two...
37:49Yeah, if those two sat and spoke, if you'd actually got this one to actually sit and speak to her
37:53and got her out
37:55I don't have a friend with her.
37:56You haven't got a problem.
37:58You think it's BS.
37:58Yeah, but you think about it, Alicia.
37:59I'm the only family she's got.
38:01You think this is BS.
38:02You're aint family!
38:03You're aint family!
38:04I'll speak to her!
38:05I'll speak to her!
38:06I'll speak to her than you are as family!
38:07Trust me!
38:08Alicia!
38:08This is my sister!
38:10And your sister's saying that if you got your head out of your backside, both of you, you could have
38:13your heads banged together, you'd sort this out!
38:15No!
38:16She's talking sense!
38:17You don't want to do that!
38:17No!
38:18I'm done!
38:19I am done!
38:20Alicia!
38:21If you try and talk to her...
38:22There is too much...
38:23Hold on!
38:23Hold on!
38:24You don't understand what Kelly has said to her!
38:25You've got to stop listening to her!
38:27And not only is she right, but it is the thing I'm in a teen!
38:29Shut up a minute!
38:32Two peas in the same bleeding pod and you're being ridiculous!
38:36She's right!
38:36People get involved!
38:38Sisters, friends!
38:39Seriously!
38:40Let me just lay this out for you, right?
38:42She did that with a rake!
38:43No, she didn't!
38:44Right?
38:45She broke me glasses or strangled me!
38:46No, she didn't!
38:47Really?
38:48You know what?
38:49In this world right now, there are people dying.
38:51There are people who can't even eat a meal.
38:53There are people who don't have anywhere to live.
38:55This is ridiculous, childish BS.
38:59And she is spot on.
39:00And anybody else that gets...
39:01Look at me.
39:02Neither of you would be unless she wanted to sort this.
39:04This is not even a problem.
39:06I would bang your...
39:06You were close.
39:07What's that?
39:07Nothing!
39:08People get involved!
39:10Come on!
39:10You've slagged her off and said things she shouldn't have said.
39:13Yes or no?
39:13Yeah.
39:14And you likewise.
39:15Yes or no?
39:16So why don't we just stop that and then there's no issue?
39:21Because the thing is, yeah...
39:22No, no.
39:22You're right, Alicia.
39:23Forget Kelly.
39:24Kelly's gone.
39:24Yeah, she won't sit and listen because she knows as soon as she gets back home...
39:28She will go back to our old days with Kelly.
39:30...they will go back to the same way.
39:31He's sitting here talking to you.
39:32Why don't you put your family in front of your friends, love?
39:34Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
39:35I've tried that.
39:36Well, why don't you let us try and put you together?
39:38Just see.
39:40She ain't tried at all.
39:41Well, let me try.
39:42Let Graeme try.
39:43Yes or no?
39:44Because what's going to end?
39:46Physical altercations, threats, people getting involved.
39:49I like her.
39:50Put you in the same room.
39:5230 minutes.
39:53Yes or no?
39:53Yeah.
39:54Promise?
39:54Yeah.
39:55Are we dropping the attitude, Mary?
39:56Depends on how she is.
39:5930 minutes in a room?
40:00Yeah.
40:01Shake on it now.
40:02Shake on it.
40:04You go that way.
40:05You go that way.
40:05Go.
40:11I don't actually know what that was all about.
40:13I was trying to join myself in the audience.
40:14I'm back after this break with a man on this stage demanding access to his ex's baby.
40:18I'm right back.
40:19Don't go anywhere.
40:19DNA next.
40:21She put your name on the bus, if you go.
40:23Yeah.
40:23You then said she did that willingly but then she betrayed me.
40:27Yeah.
40:27How did she betray you?
40:29Betrayed?
40:30Not having your lies, not no more.
40:32There's no lies, is there?
40:33Pushing me over when I was 30 weeks pregnant.
40:35We haven't heard anything of that.
40:37No, I said she was pregnant.
40:38She was pregnant.
40:39Having to call the police.
40:39He said you were there the whole time.
40:41You were off me.
40:42What did you do to me?
40:44You put me through.
40:50Do you need to find out who is the father of the baby?
40:53Do you need that all-important DNA test?
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41:25Welcome back.
41:25My next guest today, Richard is here to demand access to his ex, Rachel's child.
41:29Now, listen to this.
41:30Richard says, although he isn't the biological father of Rachel's daughter, he was there for the first six months of
41:35her life, he's on the birth certificate and he has rights.
41:38Now, let's bear in mind this guy hasn't seen Rachel or a daughter for two years since their relationship ended.
41:44He says, I'm here today because this girl means a lot to me.
41:47It's not about a relationship with Rachel.
41:49It's about the rights that I should have because I was there when she was born.
41:52Richard's next on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
42:01Thanks for coming on.
42:02Interesting.
42:04First of all, how long were you with Rachel for?
42:07Just over a year.
42:09OK.
42:09You split 18 months ago.
42:11You were with her through the pregnancy and birth.
42:13Yeah.
42:14And it was hard, but you played a massive part.
42:17Yeah.
42:18Went through the pregnancy with her.
42:19Went to every scan.
42:21The baby was born.
42:23What was that like?
42:24Oh, well, I didn't actually get to see it because she had to have her voice as a Syrian.
42:28I was there for all that as well.
42:30I was in the theatre with her.
42:32And this is an important point for you.
42:35She put your name on the birth certificate.
42:37Yep.
42:38And you then said she did that willingly, but then she betrayed me.
42:42Yeah.
42:43How did she betray you?
42:44Right.
42:47Just...
42:48Darling, I'll come to you, trust me.
42:50Obviously, she said that no matter whatever happened between us, she wouldn't stop me seeing her and wouldn't even stop
42:55my family seeing her.
42:56And is that what's happened?
42:57That's what's happened.
42:58None of us have seen her.
42:59But today is about getting rights to a child whose name is on your birth...
43:03Your name is on her birth certificate.
43:04Yeah.
43:05All right.
43:05Um, interestingly, um, Rachel has quite possibly the most diametrically opposed story to that that I've ever heard in ten
43:12years.
43:13Rachel's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
43:19Not having that.
43:21Not having your lies.
43:22Not no more.
43:22There's no lies, is there?
43:23No lies.
43:24My heck, no lies.
43:26No lies.
43:26Pushing me over when I was 30 weeks pregnant.
43:28Yeah, I read that.
43:29I read that.
43:29Having me over the back of the car.
43:30Sorry, we haven't heard anything of that.
43:31No, I said she was...
43:33She was pregnant.
43:34Having to call the police.
43:34You said you were there the whole time.
43:35Greg, you're off me.
43:36Greg, you're off me.
43:37I was 12 weeks pregnant when we got together.
43:40How the hell is she your daughter?
43:42She's my daughter.
43:43I brought her up as well.
43:44Mine.
43:45Brought her up!
43:46You haven't seen her since she was six months old.
43:48Well, it's full set.
43:48Not mine, is it?
43:49Well, what did you do to me?
43:52You put me through.
43:55Absolutely.
43:57Is that why you finished the relationship?
43:58Oh, whatever, mate.
43:59Is that why you finished the relationship, Rachel?
44:02Social services involved because of his temper,
44:04because of certain things that went on in the past.
44:07Which is the past.
44:08Yeah, I admit, yeah.
44:10So we got a woman telling a rather different story,
44:12which was that you were aggressive and violent.
44:14Social services are involved.
44:16And she took the child away from you
44:19because you were deemed to be a danger, yeah?
44:22Well, that's what they put down, I'm sure.
44:24Well, what hope do you think you've seen the kid then?
44:27Zero or less than zero?
44:29Less than zero.
44:31Can you explain to me, though?
44:31I have to say, when I read this this morning, Rach,
44:33you want to do a DNA test?
44:35To get him off the birth certificate.
44:37He's there because I had no choice.
44:40Right, right.
44:41Now, this is very interesting because I read this this morning
44:43and I thought, well, why didn't you put the name of a man
44:46on a birth certificate if you knew he wasn't the father?
44:48Explain.
44:48Didn't have a lot of choice.
44:50Why?
44:51Because he'd already beaten me when I was pregnant.
44:53What was he going to do when I'd had the child?
44:55And for your information, the reason she's come
44:58to the Jeremy Kyle Show to do a DNA test
45:00is you can prove with the DNA test result
45:02by going along to birth, deaths and marriages
45:05and change that without you being there.
45:07She's doing this today, mate,
45:08because she wants your name off that birth certificate.
45:10She doesn't want you anywhere near her child.
45:11That's what she told us.
45:12Get you away from my daughter.
45:14Did you beat her when she was pregnant?
45:16Yes.
45:17I...
45:18A mother, surely, would want to protect its child.
45:21Why would she want you near it?
45:22Give me those DNA results.
45:24She wants this so she can prove that you are not this child's
45:27daughter, which she says you aren't.
45:28Which I've always said from the play one.
45:30She wants you off the birth certificate.
45:32It's a new one.
45:32It's a different way of doing it, isn't it, really?
45:34It says he's the father.
45:35I'm somewhat stuffed.
45:37He isn't the father.
45:37He's not.
45:38He's 12 weeks pregnant.
45:39He can't be the father.
45:43There's your proof, lady.
45:44Richard is not the biological father.
45:47So you can take that to the relevant people
45:50and remove his name.
45:52Your chance.
45:52Tell him what you want to say.
45:54I don't want any more emails.
45:55I don't want to be able to see you.
45:57I don't want to hear from you.
45:59This is it.
45:59Done.
46:00Dusted.
46:02No more.
46:03No more.
46:07See, I'll give you a chance, because I don't quite know what you were hoping to achieve.
46:12You're not the child's biological father.
46:16The story, and it's an interesting one.
46:17I can see it in the audience.
46:19You're going to go, well, she put me on the birth certificate.
46:20And I would buy that.
46:21But she says she threatened her.
46:23She says, and you've admitted you've been violent.
46:25And she did it out of fear.
46:26What did you really think was going to come out today?
46:29Well, then you could waltz out of here with a kid.
46:31Oh, no.
46:31Dad of the year.
46:32I wouldn't let you near a child in a million years if it was me.
46:35Social services have told us you shouldn't go near that kid.
46:39You've got no hope.
46:39So now she's got a proof.
46:40I wanted a proof that I was right all the way through.
46:43So you're taking his name off the birth certificate?
46:45Oh, yes.
46:46That's it then, yeah?
46:47My daughter.
46:48Fine.
46:49So you're going now, yeah?
46:51Yeah.
46:53Well, yeah.
46:54Yeah.
46:55Yeah.
47:00On a serious note for you, that took a lot this morning because you've had a lot of grief from
47:04this man.
47:04It did.
47:04You have the proof.
47:05You know, some people would read this.
47:06I'm going to be honest.
47:07I read it this morning.
47:08Why did she put the name on the birth certificate?
47:09I didn't know then.
47:10Didn't have a choice.
47:10I know.
47:11I really didn't have a choice.
47:12And now, now you're able to change that and move on with your life.
47:14I wish you the very best of luck.
47:15Give her a round of applause.
47:16She's going that way.
47:17Thank you very, very much.
47:17Thank you very, very much.
47:19Thank you very much.
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47:29Bye-bye for now.
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