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00:00By all accounts, it was kind of a little bit of a migraine headache of a weekend for Warrior fans.
00:06The hits just kept on coming.
00:09I walked out of here on Friday.
00:12Think about this now.
00:13Steve Kerr comes on at 5 o'clock on a Friday.
00:16And what did we learn?
00:18Well, you're going to get a Steph Curry update on Sunday.
00:22Kristaps Porzingis just practiced.
00:24We're thinking there's a good chance that he'll play tomorrow.
00:27And he doesn't have pots.
00:30Right.
00:31And then 24 hours later, Kristaps is now missing the next two home games.
00:36Steve's apologizing for ever bringing it up.
00:39Steph Curry's looking at Malika Andrews like, yeah, I don't know.
00:45LeBron and Luke are out here clowning young dubs, baby dubs.
00:52And Jonathan Kaminga has literally got an airline named after him in Atlanta.
00:58And the human highlight reel can't stop talking about him and thanking the Warriors for sending him over to Atlanta.
01:04Yeah.
01:05And Draymond Green was a minus 30.
01:08Oh, right.
01:10I mean, that.
01:11And Steve, you know, boy, that defensive genius out there.
01:15I mean, he is a defensive genius minus 30.
01:18He is a defensive genius.
01:21Right.
01:21But it doesn't mean, like, Stephen Hawking is an actual genius, but I don't think he's going to run the
01:2840 at the Combine.
01:29No, but you know what I mean by that.
01:31Like, it's always, there's just so many circumstances.
01:35And I feel like in 2026, we don't have time for them anymore.
01:41That's what I think is going on.
01:43Draymond Green is a genius.
01:45Draymond Green is a champion.
01:47Draymond Green has meant so much to this organization.
01:50These are all things that are true.
01:51But what have you done for me lately?
01:53Not just what have you done for me lately, but if Steph is going to be out, I just think
01:57that the style that's necessary for the Warriors to play doesn't work for Draymond Green.
02:02I do think that.
02:04You know, people are dealing with this whole, like, are they worse with Draymond or are they better with Draymond?
02:09When Steph's out, they have to play in such a style and shoot a lot of threes, and it's just
02:16not Draymond's game.
02:17And Draymond is known for being smart and therefore elevating a very well-traveled system.
02:23But now you have a bunch of people running around out there who aren't doing that.
02:26That's not their system.
02:27They don't even know what the hell's going on.
02:29They're a bunch of babies.
02:31And so Draymond is not just rendered insignificant.
02:36He's actually a net negative.
02:38Right.
02:40Because he's not playing alongside really, really good players, elite players.
02:45They're not playing Warrior basketball anymore.
02:47Right.
02:47Because they're not the Warriors.
02:49But what are they playing?
02:50They're playing basketball.
02:51Basketball.
02:52Right.
02:52Not the kind of basketball that helps him.
02:55Certainly.
02:55And that's where the whole idea of, you know, just trade Draymond.
02:59Well, what if the team plays this way?
03:02What if the team could really use Draymond Green the way he currently plays?
03:06And, you know, he had seven points and he was a minus 30 in 24 minutes.
03:12That's hard to do.
03:13Yep.
03:14But he scolded everybody during a timeout.
03:16Yeah, which is cool.
03:17Which, you know.
03:18And you can see Steph Curry, how frustrated he was.
03:21I don't know if he saw those clips.
03:22I don't know if he was.
03:23Our station posted one.
03:23Was he frustrated?
03:24Was he dialed out?
03:26Was he, you know, sometimes you just freeze and stare at something.
03:29I don't know how to read what I saw from that clip.
03:32Yeah.
03:32Well, the one clip he got up and he was like throwing his arms up and then.
03:37No, but when Draymond was going off, he was just sort of like staring at him.
03:41Right.
03:41In this way that I could translate as this is tiresome.
03:47But I could also translate it as, I don't know, he just kind of dialed out.
03:53Maybe start meditating.
03:54I don't know what the heck he was doing over there.
03:56Yeah.
03:56I don't know.
03:57I don't either.
03:58But to me, what I read from that clip was, oh, we're doing this again.
04:03I mean, we're back to this.
04:05And I don't know if you've been around parents who fight a lot and yell at each other a lot.
04:11At some point as a kid, you just kind of like, it's what you're used to.
04:14And so you don't really react.
04:16It's like, oh, these two again.
04:18And so Draymond's going off.
04:19It's like, all right, I get it.
04:21You're frustrated.
04:22And, you know, you're trying to impart your message.
04:24But what are we doing here?
04:27Does it really take it that way, that Steph is, like, annoyed with Draymond?
04:31Not annoyed, but just like, oh, okay.
04:34I mean, this again, I don't think that he was, like, joining in.
04:37Like, all right, Draymond, you know, let me follow up on that point.
04:40He never dies.
04:41Right.
04:42That's not who he is.
04:43I mean, I don't think that he was necessarily, like, annoyed.
04:46But I think that it was like, you know, okay, here we go again.
04:50More of this.
04:51And, you know, you're 31 and 29.
04:53And you're not playing, Steph.
04:55And Draymond is, but not well.
04:58And no poor Zingas, for whatever reason, he's sick.
05:01And I hope it's not anything, like, really, really bad.
05:04But it probably is something not good because he never is able to actually play basketball.
05:10Yeah, I think it's obviously something that's really bad.
05:13I don't mean this particular illness, but whatever it is that is his deficiency that makes it so that, you
05:21know, that's sort of how I translate it.
05:24Something that is a general illness for people who are dealing with stuff like that becomes a big deal.
05:28And it lasts.
05:29And the body doesn't recover.
05:31And all of that stuff.
05:33This has been over a week now.
05:34Yeah.
05:35You know what I mean?
05:36So if he had the flu, that's not usually how long it takes, especially for people with the resources for
05:42the absolute best health care in the world.
05:44That's not usually what happens.
05:45But that's what happens with him.
05:47So, yeah, it's a big deal.
05:52And that is what this weekend made me think.
05:56I think the Warriors were probably at least partially aware that they were trading Jonathan Kaminga for nothing more than
06:03a salary slot.
06:04And that's hard.
06:06I get it.
06:07I get it with where they allowed it to arrive.
06:10But that's really, that's tough.
06:12You want to talk about holding on to an asset for way too long and literally trading something at its
06:22absolute lowest possible value.
06:25That is what the Warriors did with Jonathan Kaminga.
06:29And that is actually the disaster here.
06:33Not Steve held him down or Jonathan wouldn't do what Steve said.
06:39I'm out on all that stuff.
06:41But that's the old news.
06:43The new news is, is I think the Warriors traded Jonathan Kaminga simply to get out from underneath his salary.
06:49Yeah, which is a, to me, that's a loser approach to going about running your business.
06:55And we all want to talk about the Steph Curry window and we got to maximize the Steph Curry window.
06:59And then you take a player, Kaminga, who, I mean, apparently Atlanta thinks he's pretty good and he is more
07:06than pretty good, but he wouldn't work here.
07:08He wouldn't fit here.
07:09And so you get to the point where you absolutely have to trade him and all you get is a
07:15number.
07:15You get a guy who's seven foot three, who plays once, and then you get, you know, salary spot for
07:21the future.
07:22That to me is what bad teams do.
07:24That's not what champions do.
07:26It's exactly what they did with Jordan Poole.
07:28It's exactly what they did with Jordan Poole.
07:30But you at least got a player in who played.
07:32For a year.
07:33Correct.
07:34Right.
07:34This guy doesn't play.
07:36Right.
07:36But it's all like, nobody ever.
07:38And then what did they turn that into?
07:40The Jordan Poole, the Chris Paul salary slot.
07:43I mean, multiple things.
07:44But like nothing that's overly exciting.
07:47Right.
07:48I mean.
07:49So now, I mean, you're just kind of left, you're chasing this whole thing.
07:52And I get it.
07:53And, you know, I think you had to kind of go all in on doing this because Steph is getting
07:59older.
07:59You're not trading him.
08:00You have Draymond Green for one more year.
08:03And, yeah, you're going to have to double down on veterans and trying to win now.
08:07But then you go out and you do this.
08:09I would have much rather have Malik Monk than Chris Stapps Porzingis because he at least plays.
08:14But he was signed beyond this year.
08:16And they weren't going to like that.
08:18Then we're going to do that.
08:20That was a hard no for them.
08:21And that's what I mean.
08:22Like, to me, the breadcrumbs all talk about money.
08:26It's all about money.
08:28I know we want to make it about emotions and minutes and ha-ha.
08:32But this is about money.
08:34The Warriors are like, there's no market for them.
08:37We're over here fighting with them about food, for God's sakes, which is like the War of the Roses.
08:41We can tell that this, you need a divorce.
08:44If you're a basketball player and a basketball team and you're arguing over the food spread, eggs out of a
08:50trough.
08:50Like, what on earth?
08:51That was the biggest clue of all time.
08:55We heard about the story, but we didn't know which player it was.
08:58And then it comes out the second he said, oh, by the way, that was JK.
09:02It's like, if you guys are fighting about that, you legitimately hate each other.
09:06And so you got stuck.
09:09You waited all the way until this thing had been whittled all the way down to the studs.
09:12And then you had no choice but to literally just let him walk out the door for nothing.
09:17And all you can do in that situation is get the money.
09:21And try to win the breakup.
09:22Right.
09:22Which is why you leaked the news about the food.
09:25And I just was thinking about which one is more of a debacle, the Warriors with Kaminga or the Niners
09:31with Ayuk?
09:32And that one hasn't been solved yet.
09:34That's an interesting one.
09:35You know, they still have him on the team as of now until the new league year.
09:39And they'll do whatever they do.
09:41And they're going to have a dead cap hit that they're going to have to eat and, you know, eventually
09:45deal with.
09:46But I wonder which one's more of a debacle.
09:49It's an interesting question.
09:50And there's so many differences because the Niners were able to get some of the money back.
09:53The Warriors don't get the money back.
09:55That's all you can do is just accelerate it opening up.
09:58Yep.
09:58And I know you could have, like, not picked up Jonathan's player option and just let him walk at the
10:02end of the year.
10:03That's the same thing.
10:04But that would have been even worse PR.
10:09That's what's starting to hit me and that's what I don't like.
10:12This is just starting to feel all public relations-ish.
10:15For sure.
10:16And that's the bummer for fans because that's not what anybody's into.
10:20It's not.
10:21But if you were to let Kaminga just walk at the end of this year, you'd still have Buddy.
10:25You'd have Buddy Heald on a very team-friendly deal for two more years.
10:29And what was that getting you?
10:30They weren't even playing him either.
10:31Well, neither is Atlanta.
10:32Yeah, I know.
10:33So, I mean, you aggregated him.
10:35He's not shooting the ball well.
10:36Buddy Heald's not shooting the ball well.
10:38What do you got?
10:39You got a great locker room guy.
10:41Somebody who, I mean, you had a bobblehead for the guy about a month and a half ago.
10:46The radio stations get fun drops.
10:48Yep.
10:49He saves the day.
10:50He's Batman.
10:51I'm Batman.
10:52Right?
10:52My name is Buddy.
10:53He calls air quotes two fingers.
10:56I'm nice.
10:56Yeah.
10:57Perhaps.
10:58I love him.
10:59Perhaps.
10:59I saved the day.
11:00Yeah, I mean, not winning any basketball games.
11:02Oh, I'm sorry.
11:03He won.
11:04He won game seven against the Rockets.
11:06He sure did.
11:06And he's a forever warrior.
11:08Forever love him.
11:08Yes.
11:09Love him.
11:09But he wasn't.
11:10I saved the day.
11:10You did.
11:11So, instead, you get a guy who doesn't play basketball.
11:13And so, you trade him to Atlanta.
11:15And Atlanta's like, yeah, we're not going to play you either.
11:17Because, I mean, you can't really shoot right now.
11:20Clear the salary.
11:21Right.
11:22But you could have done that in the offseason.
11:24Well, no.
11:24With Kaminga.
11:25With Kaminga.
11:26But that's only 22.
11:27Sure.
11:27But, I mean, you could have aggregated him into some other deal.
11:30You could have.
11:31I don't know.
11:32Yeah.
11:32Listen, I get it.
11:33That's my point.
11:35Is this, you waited until the absolute worst time to do this.
11:40Gerardo in Richmond.
11:41Hi.
11:41Thanks for calling.
11:42Hey, Gerardo.
11:44Hey.
11:45How you doing, guys?
11:46I wanted to go back to the Kaminga and the Kerr.
11:50So, I wanted to kind of speak on my point of view.
11:54Okay.
11:54So, I think Steve Kerr is a good coach, but he doesn't develop people because he plays
11:59a certain system.
12:00If you guys remember, not too long ago, what's his name?
12:06The guy that we gave a new contract to?
12:08I forget his name right now.
12:10Guy Santos?
12:12Yes, Guy Santos.
12:13He said he developed in the G League and he wanted to play in the system that Steve Kerr
12:17had in place.
12:18And Steve Kerr wasn't playing him because he wasn't good enough for his system.
12:22He finally played him and he finally blossomed.
12:24That's why I think he's doing fine.
12:25But with Kaminga, he never, never let him play to his strengths.
12:30And I think that's what Steve Kerr's problem is, that he doesn't let, like, he doesn't
12:36adapt to the player's strength.
12:38He likes to run a certain offense and that's it.
12:42But I think Kaminga's going to be a great player.
12:45I always thought he was, like, more of a pick-and-roll player, on-the-fly kind of player.
12:49I also think the same thing about Pods.
12:51I think he's better off in another system than in our system.
12:55I think it is part of Steve Kerr's fault for not developing these guys because he can
13:00easily try to, you know, cater to the player's strength.
13:05And a perfect example of that is, I don't know if you guys remember, when Jimmy Butler
13:11came over, it wasn't really working out until he gave in and started doing plays for Jimmy
13:16Butler.
13:16And that's the only person I think he's ever given up.
13:18Well, hold on a sec.
13:21Gerardo, when Jimmy Butler came over, they just flat out started winning games right away.
13:24Like, literally the second he got here.
13:26And I guess, like, while I completely understand the vibe of where you're coming from, can I
13:33ask you, like, are you actually saying that Steve Kerr should have adjusted his system
13:39to fit Jonathan Kaminga, which I know for a fact Steve Kerr believes would have then been
13:45moving away from a system that benefits Steph Curry?
13:49Is that what you're suggesting they should have done?
13:52Yes.
13:53And I don't think it would have messed up Curry because Curry's the best shooter on Earth.
13:58Yeah, but that's just an oversimplification of basketball.
14:03Like, just because you're the best shooter, you know what I mean?
14:06Like, the offense is centered around Steph.
14:09And it's centered around highlighting Steph and putting him in his absolute best position
14:15to succeed and win basketball games.
14:18And I know for a fact that that's what the Warriors would argue.
14:21That's what they're married to.
14:23They remain married to it.
14:25If you were to call in and say they should have stopped doing that because Steph's about
14:29to turn 38, I guess I could hear that.
14:32But, I mean, I just want you to know, like, that's what you're advocating.
14:36If you want to suddenly change the offense for a then 21 or 22-year-old who's trying to
14:43come up in the league.
14:47Well, I didn't say, like, completely go away from his offense, but when he came in, run
14:52a different offense for him is what I was saying.
14:55Yeah.
14:55Yeah.
14:56Toronto, thanks.
14:56Yeah, appreciate it.
14:58Thank you for the call.
14:59That's like, I feel like so many conversations, that's kind of where they end up.
15:06And I do believe that the Warriors, Jonathan has been asked to do this, Steve Kerb, a lot
15:13of the Warriors, you're asking them to do something that represents them having to do two or three
15:19things at once.
15:21Like, you're asking them to carry three bags of groceries in from the car and also get the
15:29dog.
15:30Like, you can't.
15:32You can't, you can't just center life around Steph Curry and win championships, but also
15:39make it all about Jonathan and development.
15:41You just, you can't, it's just, you can't do it.
15:44And it's hard to just, you know, when Kaminga comes in and Curry goes out, now you're going
15:47to run a different offense just all of a sudden while Kaminga's in there.
15:50And what about when Curry and Kaminga are both in there and now you're going to run a third
15:54different offense.
15:55And the other part of this that I think it's hard for people to remember is Steve Kerr won
16:00four titles coaching this way.
16:03Steph Curry is the system.
16:05And so when you have Steph, you're going to run it this way.
16:07And if they didn't win four titles, I bet that they would have run a different system
16:11by now, but you run this system because he's the best shooter ever.
16:15He's your best player and it's worked.
16:17So all of a sudden now you're going to do something that doesn't work as well.
16:21Maybe it'll work, but you don't know.
16:23All for Kaminga.
16:25It's not the way it goes.
16:26No.
16:27Tim in San Diego is next up here on Withered and Dibs.
16:30Hi, Tim.
16:30We thank you for the call.
16:32Hey, how's it going, gentlemen?
16:34What's up?
16:35As always.
16:36Yeah, I know.
16:36I just wanted to touch on the messaging out of our front office and Kerr.
16:45And, you know, Kerr is the faith of it, but just specifically speaking about, yeah, him
16:52saying coming out on Friday on your guys' show and saying that, hey, talking to Sala,
16:57who's one of our guys, GM for Atlanta, and like, who's lying?
17:03Sala ends up telling Kerr that, yeah, he doesn't have pots.
17:07And Kerr takes this information and he takes it on your show.
17:11Then the next day, he totally reverses course.
17:15So it's like, is Sala lying?
17:18It's just strange that where he went with that.
17:24And it's like, well, what's the correct information here?
17:27And it just gets a little fuzzy.
17:29And I think, you know, the thing is, it's so polarizing.
17:33We created Jonathan Kaminga, who is the most polarizing player that we've had the last
17:38few years.
17:39And he basically made a trade for another polarizing player.
17:44And it's just like, come on, man.
17:46This is like just really bad.
17:49It's a bad look.
17:50It's one polarizing player for another polarizing player.
17:54And if you're going to do something, do it clean.
17:58Yeah, Tim, thanks.
17:59I don't, I don't find, I know he had a lot of different points there.
18:02I don't find Kristaps Porzingis polarizing.
18:05Jonathan Kaminga to me is very polarizing.
18:07Yeah, people either think he's great or they think he's not very good.
18:11Kristaps is, it's completely straightforward.
18:15He's a very, very good basketball player.
18:17Nobody can argue otherwise.
18:19But we're in a mysterious age of whether or not he plays or not.
18:22And if he can't play consistently, let's be real, his career is just about over.
18:26Like he is, as we stand here right now, 22 games to go, call it 21, because he's not
18:33going to play tonight.
18:35And if there isn't some level of consistency that he can show that he's ready to be healthy
18:42and be a basketball player again, like he might be out of the league in a month and a half.
18:48He very well may be.
18:49And it's even beyond whatever illness he's fighting or whatever syndrome, if it's POTS,
18:54it's not POTS, whatever it is.
18:56Look at his career of injuries, actual basketball injuries.
18:59That's been a lot longer than just whatever illness he's been fighting right now.
19:04So put aside the illness and the syndrome and whatever that is.
19:08His whole career has been beset by a ton of injuries.
19:12It has, it has, and I'm always willing to, you know, to whether it's by low or at least
19:19be open-minded to the injury bug sort of taking a different turn, because we've watched that
19:24so many times with players.
19:27I'm not going to say that past injuries aren't an indicator going forward, especially as you
19:33get older, you start favoring one side or whatever.
19:36Like, yes, more injuries can happen, but we've also seen players have poor injury luck and then
19:41have it suddenly be great.
19:43How about Steph Curry's career?
19:44We can start there.
19:45Like he was injury prone once upon a time and they signed him to a good deal and he turned
19:51out to be the best thing that's ever happened to this entire market in terms of sports, pretty
19:55much.
19:56So it can always turn.
19:58So I don't like, you're not wrong, but to me, this mystery, and I guess maybe it's not
20:05to him or to them, but whether or not you can actually get a handle on this and play
20:11consistently in the league is something that I would think he needs to show here in this
20:17month of March.
20:18And if he doesn't, I honestly don't even know why, I don't know why any team would sign
20:23him for anything.
20:24I don't even know why you would have.
20:25I mean, you might get the minimum.
20:27Why would you even do that?
20:28Just to have a guy who is so tantalizingly phenomenal when he can play.
20:32And think about D'Anthony Melton and the deal that he signed.
20:35He signed for about $3 million because he was coming off multiple ACLs.
20:40And so go out there and show us that you can be healthy and you can play.
20:43And well, he has and he has.
20:46And so now Melton is going to go out there in the open market and probably make, I don't
20:50know, 10 or more, 12 million a year just because he's now showed that he can be healthy
20:56so far.
20:57And when he plays, he's really a good player.
20:59So that's kind of where Porzingis would be if at all, if he even decides that he wants
21:05to still try and do this.
21:06I will agree though, like where he kind of started that call again, whether you want to
21:12really get into the nuance or the context or try to transfer these things to how they
21:20would look if they were, you can do all of that stuff.
21:23There is no getting around that everything that has taken place over the last two weeks
21:29for the Warriors is, this is bad luck.
21:33It just, it just is.
21:34It's terrible.
21:35It's just a bad look.
21:36It's a bad look.
21:37It's bad luck.
21:38And you can go even throughout the entirety of the year.
21:41It's been, it's been rough.
21:42I mean, it started out so promising, right?
21:44I know.
21:45The way it ended last year and Jimmy and Steph and you know, they could maybe be a top four
21:49seed, they might win 48 games.
21:52Some would think.
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