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00:00Marv made another, it was an accusation sensation, the idea that you and I are moving the goalpost on Kaminga
00:06because let's say he doesn't play and they lose, then we don't attach those players to losing.
00:13And I'm thinking to myself, well, first of all, yeah, we do.
00:17Jonathan Kaminga is not the only person who gets criticized on 95.7 The Game. That's not true.
00:23He had a whole thing last week about how Pods also had an agenda.
00:26And sure, I mean, yeah, he brought up Steph. Sure, that's a different kind of criticism.
00:33Boy, yeah, Steph messed up last night. Shrug shoulders, move on. What are you going to do about it?
00:36It's Steph Curry. So all of these things are circumstantial and they're in the moment.
00:44And I don't think you can even compare them because the bottom line, whether y'all like it or not,
00:50like, look at what the Golden State Warriors are doing and look at what they have repeatedly been telling you now
00:59for the larger part of 11 months. What are they telling you?
01:04They're telling you that for whatever reason, there are a lot of moments where they put them in the game
01:11and it's just not feeling right for everybody.
01:13And I keep trying to, like, stress, Steve Kerr is not on an island making these decisions by himself.
01:19There are meetings, there are a lot of people, there are players, everyone's being talked to about this.
01:26And, you know, I don't know what you do with a weekend like this.
01:30You got no Steph Curry and no Draymond Green in the game.
01:33JK gets benched and the Warriors win by a thousand on the road?
01:38I don't know, what do you want to do with that?
01:43I mean, what do you want to do with it?
01:44What are you supposed to do?
01:45The previous game, he starts and he goes one for ten and, like, you take him out late and you win by five.
01:53And you won despite the fact that he did not play very well.
01:57And then the next game, you don't start, you don't play, and you win by a thousand.
02:01Like you said, you won by 32.
02:03And the game was never really in doubt.
02:06Like, they cut it to eight a couple of times in the third quarter and the fourth quarter.
02:09And then you went out there and you absolutely motorboated Chicago and you did all that without Steph and without Draymond and without JK.
02:18So what are you supposed to do?
02:19Like, you didn't play him and you won by a bunch.
02:22And so, yeah, I mean, I would love to see JK play like he did the first five games of the year.
02:28And I'm looking here, 33 minutes, 36, 24, 31, 26, 34, the first six games.
02:36And he was mostly really good.
02:38He scored.
02:39He rebounded.
02:40He played the right way.
02:42He played the way they wanted him to play.
02:44And then even further than that, he still played pretty well.
02:47And then he got hurt and he came back and it was kind of back to last year.
02:51Just kind of, yeah, lost it.
02:52I don't know, man.
02:53I've been accused of being stubborn a lot in my life.
02:56Like, I'll wear that.
02:57That's fine.
02:59Boy, some of you JK fans, you are a stubborn bunch.
03:03Like, this is the – I really appreciate it, Guru.
03:08By the way, like, you know what I mean?
03:10Because we've sparred for months and months, if not years, on this.
03:14But Guru's like, come on, man.
03:16Like, you're kind of out of weapons today.
03:19Like, what is it you see?
03:22Like, if you're just making something up at this point, if you've decided,
03:27no, JK's a star, then everybody in the Warriors organization is dumb.
03:32I mean, really?
03:34Is that – like, every time you say something, oh, you're moving the goalposts.
03:38Right.
03:39Like, really?
03:40I don't know, man.
03:42I don't know.
03:42I mean, it's possible that he goes somewhere and he plays well.
03:47Sure.
03:47And he makes an all-star team and he helps somebody go on and win.
03:50But what they've done here with him, without him, with him playing, you know,
03:55different roles, they've won, actually, since he's been here.
03:58So, this year, and I look at just the weekend, in the fourth quarter against Cleveland,
04:03he played two and a half minutes.
04:05And you went out there and you were able to still win the game.
04:08You held on.
04:09You won.
04:10Then yesterday, he didn't play at all.
04:12And you went out and you beat Chicago by 30.
04:13So, can you win without him?
04:15Yeah.
04:16Can you win with him?
04:17Sure.
04:18It's just a question of, like, what role is he playing?
04:21What role do you need him to play?
04:23And I think those two things are pretty far apart.
04:25I wonder how people would answer this.
04:26Because we got onto this conversation with all of these cool things that Pat Spencer
04:30is suddenly doing over the last four games.
04:32Obviously, there's a coming-a conversation because we're back to DNPs.
04:36And this is, by the way, I think you could argue that yesterday was the worst DNP of them all.
04:43Because what people forget about the DNPs that came last year, there's totally a misremembering thing going on.
04:51People thought he came back from injury and then Kurgis, that stupid Kurgis, stopped playing him.
04:57The first DNP came in the last game of the regular season.
05:01I was at that game.
05:02It was against the Los Angeles Clippers, and the Warriors were trying to stay out of the play-in tournament.
05:09And they didn't play Jonathan, and they lost in an incredible overtime battle with the Clippers.
05:15But the reason that that happened, and it happened in the play-in games as well,
05:20is because the Warriors had gotten themselves to a spot where they were like,
05:24these are the really high-leverage games, and the Jonathan-Jimmy-Butler thing's not working right now,
05:29so we've got to put it on hold.
05:31Well, those were the highest-leveraged games.
05:35Yesterday was not.
05:36Nope.
05:37This is the first time that Steve Kerr has decided on a Sunday in December with a record of what?
05:4412-12 or whatever the hell they were?
05:46Yep.
05:46Like, yeah.
05:49And with no Steph and no Draymond?
05:51Right.
05:52He's just like, yeah, we're not doing it.
05:53That's the worst narrative so far by far.
05:57Agreed.
05:57I mean, it's a thin bench, and yet you still would rather not play Jonathan Kaminga.
06:03And you didn't play GP2 either, and that's fine.
06:05He plays or he doesn't play.
06:07It depends on the matchup.
06:08But you chose to go with Guy a bunch.
06:11And Guy and Pat and Quentin and Will, all these other young pups.
06:15But J.K. is a guy who couldn't even go out there.
06:19And, like, we're going to give you six or eight minutes to start.
06:21And let's just see.
06:23Let's see what we have tonight with you, J.K.
06:25No, he didn't get that, and then he didn't even get the kind of what Moses Moody would
06:31get last year, which is, ah, we're getting blown out.
06:33Some crumbs.
06:34Yep.
06:34Come on, Moses.
06:35Get in there and get some crumbs.
06:36Which I guess is, it makes sense, because you don't want J.K. to go in there and possibly
06:41get hurt if you want to trade him.
06:42But he got nothing yesterday at all.
06:44888-957-9570.
06:46But we got on this conversation because we were talking about the word talent.
06:50And I wonder, the way so many define it about, like, athleticism and, as you put it, the
06:55ha-ha and all these things.
06:56Like, is there anybody on the Warriors roster who's more talented than Jonathan Kaminga?
07:02Or are there tons of people on the Warriors roster more talented than Jonathan Kaminga?
07:08I don't know.
07:08How would you answer that?
07:09Depends on what you consider talent.
07:11Like, Steph Curry has a hand-eye coordination that is maybe better than anyone in the history
07:16of humanity.
07:17Yeah.
07:18Like, if Steph Curry grew up in England, you could see him as a dart thrower.
07:23Honestly, I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen, like...
07:25I could see him doing anything that's hand-eye coordination related.
07:29I mean, if he grew up in, I don't know, Minnesota, and his dad wasn't an NBA player, he could
07:34be a pro bowler.
07:35Sure.
07:35He could be a golfer.
07:36He could be, like, one of those people who's playing cornhole.
07:41He could be the best cornhole player ever.
07:43Probably really good at that, honestly.
07:44I'm sure he's amazing at that.
07:46So, when you talk about talent, like, Steph Curry, the baby-faced assassin, 6'3", and when
07:52he came in the league, he was just this skinny, like, baby-faced, like, oh yeah, you can shoot.
07:57Cute.
07:58I mean, you'll never be like Kyle Korver or J.J.
08:01Rennick, right?
08:02I mean, see, that's interesting the way you put it, because I think, maybe I think about
08:08this backwards.
08:09To me, maybe the more talented person is the person who does more with less.
08:14Who's more talented, Steph or Shaq?
08:18Probably, like, from a talent standpoint, Steph.
08:22Right.
08:22Like, Shaq had an unbelievable genetic advantage.
08:25Completely.
08:26As does someone like, if you want to talk about on the Warriors right now, just baseline genetic
08:34advantage.
08:35Kaminga.
08:36Number one.
08:38Yeah.
08:38Right?
08:39Probably.
08:41So, who's more talented?
08:43I mean, I got Pat Spencer out here, who's 6'2", and looks like he's sitting next to you
08:47at a blackjack table, and he's out here now owning a week, and getting Jimmy Butler to
08:54do IG posts, play that funky music, white boy, and his coach is going, Pat's that mother
09:00jumper.
09:00Yep.
09:01Like, I think I could make the, that's talent.
09:05You're squeezing the orange, Pat.
09:07Yeah, it just depends on what you consider talent, and, you know, it's, some of the all-time
09:13greats, like LeBron and Michael Jordan, they had both.
09:16They had natural gifts, combined with talent, combined with an unbelievable drive.
09:22And that's how you end up, this is the best ever.
09:23Right.
09:23And so, if you're Pat Spencer, do you have talent?
09:26Yeah.
09:27You are an amazing lacrosse player, one of the best to ever do it.
09:31He actually won the Heisman Award for lacrosse when he was in college.
09:35So, yeah, you're very talented at what you did, and then you're also a good basketball
09:40player.
09:40So, yeah, he's very talented, but we don't look at him and see him, like, go up and have
09:47a follow dunk or, you know, take off in the foul line and dunk on somebody.
09:50So, we look at things differently.
09:52Pete and San Ramon, thanks for waiting.
09:54Hey, Pete, thanks for the call.
09:55What's up?
09:57Hey, guys.
09:58Good afternoon.
09:59So, yeah, back to talent.
10:02One of the definitions I've seen is an individual's natural abilities, skills, and aptitudes to
10:10make them well-suited for specific roles or tasks.
10:14But the other one I really like is the ability to do things in a very skilled fashion as if
10:21it was second nature.
10:22And I think that's kind of what Spencer's doing.
10:25Now, here's two things about Pat Spencer, and, of course, I got to mention Maryland.
10:32There's a triangle between D.C., Baltimore, and Annapolis that is lacrosse crazy and basketball
10:39crazy.
10:40It's where Kevin Durant comes from, Adrian Dantley, Len Baez, Pat Spencer, right in the middle
10:48of that.
10:49He double-lettered junior high school and high school in both sports.
10:54He was 5'10 when he graduated high school and decided, in spite of basketball being his
11:02love, which is mentioned lately, he said, I'd probably have better success at my height
11:08playing lacrosse.
11:10So he did that for four years.
11:13The best lacrosse, college lacrosse player in the country.
11:17And then he went to Northwestern for another year to play some basketball to get back to
11:22what he wants to really do.
11:24Here he is.
11:25He's doing pretty good.
11:26He's talented.
11:28That's what I know.
11:29Yeah, Pete, you know a lot.
11:32And again, that's like the whole reason for this conversation.
11:36One, I find it kind of fascinating the way we all talk about it.
11:40But, you know, this idea of, is Jonathan Kaminga's talent being wasted?
11:45Or, if you want to label that, like you've brought up Trey Lance today.
11:50Yeah, yep.
11:50Or, heck, obviously, we could do this with anybody, right?
11:54Marco Luciano gets just completely outright let go by the Giants last week.
11:59His batting practice sessions were epic.
12:03They're absolutely epic.
12:05But this goes to the whole idea of, and we talk about it a lot with the 49ers, Warriors
12:12too recently.
12:13And I think most fans are almost always frustrated with the way their team drafts.
12:17Because that's just being a fan.
12:18When you're a fan, you can think of all the times that you messed up the draft.
12:22Well, listen, just the fact that teams mess up drafts, doesn't that tell you something
12:28about talent?
12:30In other words, I don't think we can see talent the way we think we can.
12:36When we look at Jonathan Kaminga, and I'm like, I see talent.
12:39And I'm like, you don't know.
12:41I see a skill set.
12:43I see someone who can jump really high.
12:46I see somebody who has had flashes where he looks brilliant.
12:52But I can't tell you, and this is actually part of the problem with him, is that after
12:57four and a half years, I still can't tell you exactly what he is, or how talented he
13:02is.
13:03In and of itself, that's a little bit of a problem.
13:05It can be, and I do think that it comes down to exactly what you're describing.
13:10As you were talking, I was thinking about Fred Warner.
13:12Fred Warner, who was a safety at BYU.
13:15And he was a guy who, I mean, he played safety, and he was probably too big to be a safety,
13:20but he was not projected to be what he's become, and he comes to the Niners, and he turns into
13:26a linebacker, and now he's on his way to the Hall of Fame because of what he became, and
13:31he became that because, yes, he had talent.
13:33They all have talent.
13:34All these athletes in the bigs, in the pros, whatever, they have talent.
13:39But do you have that stuff?
13:41Like, Kobe Bryant was, I mean, Kobe Bryant was amazing early, but Kobe went from, man, good
13:47little player at Lower Marion, more than that, I know, but he turned into one of the best
13:52of all time.
13:53Steph Curry is a similar example where, yeah, he's a son of a knockdown shooter, and he
13:58was a knockdown shooter, but he went from that to this because of talent, yes, but because
14:03of work ethic, dedication, and all the rest of it.
14:06And so, to your point, when you draft somebody, you don't really know, like, the other stuff.
14:11Like, what are you going to do, how much work are you going to put in to become that
14:17guy?
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15:03How about Father Time in Napa?
15:06What up, FT?
15:08What are you doing?
15:09What up, Dawgs?
15:11Happy Monday.
15:11Yeah, man.
15:13I wanted to talk about talent, but then so many topics came across the board in the last
15:1720 minutes.
15:19So here's the way I want to start.
15:21Great, unanswerable questions.
15:24Why do baseball managers wear uniforms?
15:27And why hasn't anybody asked, Pat Spencer, why he's wearing number 61?
15:32I don't know if anybody has.
15:35I'm sure somebody's asked him that somewhere along the road, but let's be real.
15:39You want to know what my answer for that, Father Time is?
15:42I don't think anybody's been all that interested up until now.
15:45And I'm sorry if that sounds like rude, but you know what I mean?
15:50Like, I don't know that anybody's done a deep dive on Pat Spencer before now.
15:54He was viewed as end of the bench just because someone needs to be their guy.
15:59It's a weird number, for sure.
16:02I dig it.
16:03Don't get me wrong.
16:04I dig it.
16:04And I think it's going to, like you guys were talking about, I think it's going to move
16:07some jerseys.
16:08Speaking of jerseys, you know, grabbing a Jonathan Kaminga jersey is going to be kind
16:14of ironic and hipster down the road when he's cool and doing it for somebody else.
16:18It's kind of like the free Jonathan t-shirt.
16:20That's why they're going to hold on to him in the pro sales place.
16:26Next thing I want to say is talent.
16:27But you guys are talent.
16:30Talent is driven by can you produce?
16:32But the way it starts is numbers.
16:36And so that's, as you all know, that's, you know, vertical leap.
16:39That's 40-yard dash.
16:41That's everything you can measure.
16:43The thing that they can't measure is heart.
16:45That's what they want to call it.
16:47Who knows what it is?
16:48Or intangibles.
16:49And how they see that is challenging.
16:52It's really hard.
16:52That's why it's crapshoot, man.
16:54Like, they drafted Steph Curry.
16:57And do they think he was turning into Steph Curry?
17:00No.
17:00No.
17:01Ever.
17:01Well, nobody could think.
17:02Yeah.
17:02So, Father Time, thank you.
17:04We've got to run.
17:04Nobody, I don't think, like everybody hopes that someone becomes an all-star.
17:08I don't think when anybody's drafting anybody, maybe LeBron.
17:12Like, when there's that kind of hype.
17:13Right.
17:14Are you thinking, boy, I hope we just got one of the greatest players who's ever stepped on earth.
17:20Iconic.
17:20Right.
17:20Like, that's, that's.
17:22Yeah.
17:22That's a high bar.
17:23Yeah.
17:23That would have been the same thing.
17:23Yeah.
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