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00:00Evan and Guru were talking earlier, and they were talking about how,
00:05and Steph is playing great, but I actually don't even remember.
00:09It must have been Guru.
00:10I didn't even remember which one of them said it.
00:12They're like, he's averaging 28 a night.
00:15And they're right in that situation, but it was what popped to my head.
00:21I'm like, that doesn't, that's not a full story.
00:25It's just not a full story when we say that about a player.
00:28So, in this particular case, like, sure, Jonathan scored 20 points in 21 minutes.
00:36I've already said this.
00:37We did shows about this.
00:39I thought he was fantastic.
00:40I was super impressed by the way he played, considering how long he had been sitting.
00:45I thought he did some things that night other than scoring.
00:49I thought he had some hustle plays.
00:50He had some nice rebounds and putbacks.
00:53I am, yay, thumbs up, fan of Jonathan's game the other night.
00:58I just think I'd love to hear people go a little damn deeper than what someone's points per game are.
01:05And Steve Kerr is not automatically wrong.
01:09Maybe he's wrong, but he's not automatically wrong if Jonathan scores, like he did against Minnesota, 24 a night.
01:18That's not the end of a basketball story.
01:21Right.
01:21I mean, do you know how many people this year are averaging 20 points a game?
01:25It's probably close to 30 guys.
01:28Now, 44.
01:28Yeah.
01:2944 guys are averaging 20 a night.
01:31They're all amazing, dibs.
01:33All of them.
01:33I mean, some do it in leading to winning.
01:36Some are doing it in leading to losing.
01:38And, you know, so every 20-point game is not created equally.
01:42And that's kind of the way I think you look at the Kaminga thing where he can score 15 and be awesome and help you win.
01:49Or he can score 25 and be good and help you lose.
01:53Yep.
01:53Yep.
01:54I mean, DeMar DeRozan is averaging 19 a game.
01:57Why aren't we, like, hot, hot, hot after him to be on the team?
02:04Why not?
02:04Yep.
02:06I mean, I don't think people think DeMar DeRozan is very good right now.
02:09Nick Friedle was on our show earlier this week, so he's not very good anymore.
02:13He's averaging 19 a night.
02:15Doesn't that mean he's automatically amazeballs?
02:17Not anymore.
02:18No.
02:19Not in this era of, like, increased pace and increased shooting where, you know, if you average 20, you're kind of just a guy who gets to play a lot.
02:27And you get to shoot a lot.
02:29Like, Zach Levine is the best example.
02:31Always.
02:31Zach Levine is the perfect example.
02:34Zach Levine is empty calories.
02:36Zach Levine is a bad contract.
02:38Zach Levine has not been revered in any city that he currently plays in his career.
02:45And he, right now as we speak, is averaging 20 a game.
02:48Yep.
02:4919.8.
02:50That's right.
02:52So, anyway, that was my only point.
02:57Guru, call back.
02:58Give us a call.
02:59Yep.
03:01That man's had a long day and he feels like he's getting slapped on the way home.
03:05I did not mean that.
03:06He texted me.
03:07What did he say?
03:07He's had to take a call.
03:09He's not mad.
03:09Okay.
03:10He wants you to know he's not mad.
03:11Okay.
03:11You guys will chat tomorrow.
03:12Shut up.
03:13I don't want him mad at me now.
03:15Maybe it'll be bugging him at about 8.07.
03:17What's bugging him?
03:18Exactly.
03:19All right.
03:22Rex!
03:24Let's go back to the phones.
03:25Warriors Live is coming up here at 3.30.
03:27Okay?
03:27And we're just kind of taking the pulse on Steve Kerr.
03:33Where are you all at on Steve Kerr?
03:37Apparently, according to some reports, you know, this might be his last year.
03:41And it does feel like some fans are like, finally, can't come soon enough.
03:47Yep.
03:49Let's go to Bad Ombre in D.C.
03:53What up, Ombre?
03:57Ombre.
03:57Hello.
03:58Hello.
03:58I was with you there.
03:59Yes, I'm here.
04:00Got you.
04:01Like I told the screener, trade J.K. to the Wizards.
04:05I'll buy season tickets.
04:07And this almost feels like you all are trying to gaslight us about J.K.
04:11But real basketball fans, people who understand the game, we see who this kid is.
04:19But for some reason, the local media has been going against this kid for five years.
04:26Tell me who he is, Bad Ombre.
04:27A real NBA fan like you.
04:30Tell me who he is.
04:30Right now, he's 84, Olympics Jordan.
04:35Okay.
04:36Thank you for saying that and completely torpedoing your point.
04:41That's great.
04:42I love you, Bad Ombre.
04:43I don't like, thank you so much for listening to the show.
04:45You cannot.
04:46I'm going to John McEnroe you.
04:48You cannot be serious.
04:51You just compared him to 84, Jordan?
04:5584, Olympics Jordan.
04:57That's where he is right now, minus the handle.
04:59Okay.
04:59Why is he asked to do things that no other player in NBA history is asked to do?
05:05Guard the other team's best defender.
05:08Lead the team in rebounding.
05:10Get you 20, even though the coach isn't going to run any sets of plays for you.
05:14Who's asking him to do that?
05:17Who's asking him to do that?
05:18No, he's not.
05:19He never said you need to average 20.
05:21He never said you needed to lead the team in rebounding.
05:24He's never said these things.
05:25You will always move the goalposts for this kid.
05:31If he scores 30 and they lose, oh, his points don't amount to winning.
05:35Meanwhile, nobody ever says anything about Pajemski, who got ran out of Illinois because his college coach said he's not an NBA player.
05:44But meanwhile, Kerr plays in 30 minutes a game.
05:47Gosh, the Kaminga Pajemski.
05:49I'm going to be straight with you, bad hombre.
05:52Again, love you.
05:53Thank you for calling.
05:54I am so exhausted by this comparison.
05:57And to me, it's now it's a trigger.
06:00It really is.
06:00And it's a red.
06:01It's a flashing red sign.
06:04You call yourself a real basketball fan, then stop comparing Jonathan Kaminga to Brandon Pajemski.
06:10They've got nothing to do with one another.
06:13You should be comparing Mike L. Williams to Ricky Pearsall.
06:16Both first-round picks.
06:17Nothing to do with one another.
06:19And no, no, playing time is not to be handed out in some sort of a punitive way as if it's dessert after you've eaten your vegetables.
06:30That's not what's going on here.
06:32You might think that's what's going on.
06:34I can promise you it's not.
06:37And this is a, this is a, like, remove all subjectivity statement.
06:42Forget your opinion, my opinion, Dibs, Grandy, Lucas, Guru, no matter who, forget all opinions for a second.
06:50I can promise you the Warriors are not punishing Jonathan for anything.
06:57They have their assessment on him as a player.
07:01And at times, it frustrates them.
07:04And there are a lot of things that they think he doesn't do as well as they need him to do.
07:10If they're wrong, they're wrong.
07:12And they're going to be held accountable for that.
07:15But like I tried to say yesterday, this, whatever side you're on, the jury's not in yet.
07:23Like, nobody's been proven right or wrong on this one yet.
07:26No.
07:26At all.
07:27And it won't be until he goes somewhere else and either is great and wins or great and doesn't win like Jordan Poole or he's bad and he doesn't win.
07:36And it's interesting when we talk about this and you think about, like, Rollins who, you know, the Warriors threw into a trade and now he's gone to Milwaukee and now he's been like, wow.
07:46He's a player.
07:46He's a player and he's really good.
07:48And so you look at that and you go, maybe you shouldn't have thrown him in.
07:51But he was a throw in and you kind of had to do it to do what you wanted to do anyway.
07:55And so it's kind of collateral damage.
07:57But with Kaminga, he will most likely be the centerpiece of a trade either now or next year.
08:03And if he goes out and he is an all-star to a three-time all-star and he goes out and leads a team to a title or whatever.
08:10Yeah, that's on you, Kerr, Dunleavy, Lacob, everyone else.
08:14Absolutely.
08:16Even Bob Myers.
08:17Right.
08:17Would have a piece of that.
08:19Right.
08:19But if he doesn't, I mean, I'm not saying he goes full on Trey Lance, which is, you know, you traded Trey Lance and you got more than you actually thought that you should have and could have.
08:27And thank you, Jerry Jones.
08:28And then he went to Dallas and he went to the Chargers and he's not been the guy that, you know, you thought that he was when you drafted him.
08:35So even though you blew it when you drafted him, you at least got something for him.
08:40Jeff in Santa Rosa is next.
08:41Hi, Jeff.
08:42Thanks for calling in.
08:44Hey, thank you for taking my call.
08:46Yeah, ma'am.
08:46Basketball is the ultimate team game and you need guys who are willing to do whatever it takes and Kerr's not wrong and the Warriors aren't wrong for trying to move guys around in order to find their answers.
09:03I read somewhere very recently that Jimmy Butler is a huge fan and proponent of Jonathan Kaminga.
09:12Do we know why?
09:14I mean, we only know what he has said, Jeff.
09:17And I think that I think that they have bonded as human beings, first and foremost.
09:22I think that he also sees a lot of talent in Jonathan Kaminga.
09:26He also sees a lot of things where Jonathan needs to be better.
09:30And so he's trying to mentor him.
09:33Yes.
09:34And of course.
09:35And the point of it is, is when you've got a Jimmy Butler who amazingly and sadly we no longer can rely on, but it throws everybody into a into a tizzy.
09:46You got Kerr who might be ending his career sooner than later.
09:51You got Kerr who only has so many years left to pull off that magic that he continues to do day in and day out.
09:57So to me, the challenge for Kaminga is if the guy's got the raw talent that the everybody seems to think he does.
10:06And I'm sure Butler thinks he does find a way to get him the minutes, do what he's got to do in order to make the team better.
10:12Period.
10:13They've tried every which way they've had Moses Moody, who has limitations in certain ways.
10:19They've got Pazinski, who's got skills, but can't always fit into the to the solution.
10:25I mean, they can't even figure out whether they need Quentin Post to play any meaningful minutes or trace Jackson or Al Horford.
10:31This is a warrior organization that can't get their shit together and make this.
10:36OK, there you go.
10:38All right.
10:40This is stuff that's so funny to me.
10:42It's the passion, Mark.
10:43I love the passion.
10:46I just don't know where we got where we ended up from Dynasty and a little bit a little bit less than four years ago.
10:56A championship parade.
10:58Yep.
10:59To arriving at now with Steph Curry at 37 years old.
11:03And apparently some of you believe this organization is just a laughingstock and they cannot get their S together.
11:10I don't know if it's that.
11:11Like they make some mistakes.
11:13Sure.
11:13I do think that the one thing that fans are looking at where, yes, the Dynasty.
11:18And if you think it's over, then, you know, go ahead and take a number and step in line with other people who think that it actually might be over.
11:25So if that's the reality of it, if you're not going to be a championship team again.
11:29So what's the way forward?
11:31You either believe that J.K., Jonathan Kaminga, is the guy who can be the way forward or you don't.
11:37And right now it feels like the organization probably doesn't think that he's the way forward.
11:42But many fans think that he's the way forward.
11:44And if you think that, then you look at Kerr and Dunleavy and whoever else and you think you're keeping him down.
11:51He's the way forward.
11:52Well, then, isn't right now, isn't this week the moment where we can all go on a weekend retreat together and sit around the campfire and actually connect?
12:01Because Jimmy Butler just got hurt.
12:02And this is actually that moment where those of you who want J.K. to be able to play 25 minutes a night in a pressurized free situation.
12:12We're here.
12:13We're here.
12:15Nobody thinks the Warriors are going to win a title this year.
12:17Jimmy Butler got hurt.
12:19So here we are.
12:20Right.
12:21So maybe now it happens.
12:22Maybe.
12:23I mean, maybe now it happens.
12:24But or maybe he's not on the team in two weeks.
12:26I don't know.
12:26And the other thing is, like, the other people would say, why hasn't it happened before?
12:30Like, why wait until now?
12:31Just try to win a title.
12:32Right.
12:32But and I'm going to play devil's advocate because I'm kind of in the same mindset as you where, you know, you've done it and you've actually won a title and you've been a playoff team.
12:41And last year, you, you know, you knocked off Houston and he didn't really play against Houston.
12:45And then Curry got hurt.
12:47And then you had to throw him in there and he played great and he lost all four games.
12:50So I'm kind of with you on that as far as like, does he help you win in April and May?
12:55Well, he hasn't really done that.
12:57But the other people will say, well, why haven't you given it a try?
13:01Yeah, you haven't given really a level try.
13:04And, you know, now you are.
13:06They feel they have.
13:07They feel they have.
13:09You, you threw out some interesting numbers yesterday.
13:12What was it?
13:12Does Jonathan play more minutes than GP2?
13:14Did you say that?
13:15Moody.
13:16Moody.
13:16More minutes than Moody.
13:17More minutes than Moody.
13:18More career minutes than Moody.
13:20Okay.
13:21I mean, that's interesting.
13:23Right.
13:24And I mean, Moody.
13:25And, and, and like, it's fact, right?
13:28That Jonathan sees himself maybe differently than what the Warriors want him to do.
13:34And that has led to like heads butting.
13:39Why don't you give him a shot?
13:40And they're like, we are giving him a shot in this role.
13:43This is the role we want for him.
13:45And he's like, I don't want that role.
13:46So, Moses Moody, when he goes in, is like, I'll take any role.
13:51Whatever role you want.
13:52Right.
13:53Like, okay.
13:54So, I think that's the rub.
13:56That's the rub.
13:58So, that's a shared sort of a thing.
14:01We see this.
14:02You see that.
14:03Can we get together?
14:05So far, no.
14:06Right.
14:06And I do think that, like, if you want to talk about just the Moody part of it where,
14:10you know, he plays his first three years and then they offer him three years and 39.
14:16And he says, yeah, okay.
14:18I mean, do I think I'm better than that?
14:20Probably.
14:21But his role and to get, you know, 39 million over three years felt like it was a good deal
14:27for both sides at the time.
14:28It was probably a little bit team friendly, but they offered it and he signed it.
14:32And meanwhile, Kaminga, in that same space, was thinking about the Max.
14:37He wanted what, you know, these other guys got, you know, Cade Cunningham and Scotty
14:42Barnes and all the other guys in his draft class.
14:44He wanted that money.
14:45And the team was saying, no, we don't see you as that.
14:49And, you know, they offered Moses 39 over three and he probably could have held out for
14:5345 or 50, but he didn't.
14:56And so, here we are.
14:57I'm just laughing because the latest text that came through, it might even be the same 510.
15:01And I'll say the same thing.
15:02Call us.
15:03Stop hiding behind your phone.
15:04Y'all full of cow crap.
15:07At least he didn't cuss.
15:09Yeah.
15:09I mean.
15:10Hey, Steve Kerr just spoke pregame.
15:12Uh-oh.
15:13Want to hear this?
15:14Kind of.
15:15Get ready.
15:15I'm worried.
15:16Steve Kerr.
15:17Kaminga's still in the rotation.
15:19Yes, he is.
15:21Go ahead.
15:21More.
15:22I know.
15:22You got lots of, lots more Kaminga questions.
15:25Go ahead.
15:25Fire away.
15:26We'll see how it goes.
15:29What do you want to see from him in this stretch?
15:31What do I want to see from him?
15:32What do you want to see from him, JK, in this stretch?
15:34Like I said, here they come.
15:36I want to see the same thing.
15:37I want to see from the rest of our guys.
15:39Just play hard, do the things that we're preaching, play with energy, play as a group, and let's go get victories.
15:49That's it.
15:50I mean, it's the same, same plan for whoever comes on the floor.
15:53Oof.
15:55Yep, here they come.
15:56This is exactly what I was worried about in the summer when I told you that this was not workable.
16:01This is exactly what I was worried about.
16:03I was worried about so many questions that the guys became exhausted, annoyed, snippy, and here we are.
16:12This is exactly what I was worried about.
16:13Well, it would have been more workable if they would have played him over the last, you know, 16 games.
16:18Probably.
16:19You're probably right about that.
16:20It wouldn't be such a thing where, you know, you didn't play him, and then Jimmy gets hurt, and now you play him, and now he plays well.
16:26And so, you know, the question has to be, Steve, is he still in the rotation?
16:31Yes, guys, of course.
16:33What else you got?
16:33When did Gabe Kapler start covering the Warriors?
16:36We, as a Warrior media base.
16:40Oh, boy.
16:41Okay, let's keep going.
16:42Warriors Live is coming up in a little bit.
16:44Oh, by the way, real quick, let's rock this.
16:47Engagement is everything on the court and in life.
16:50We asked you to vote in our engaging Dubnation poll on the 95.7 The Game Twitter page before every game.
16:54It's presented by Shane Coe, your friend and jeweler.
16:56We asked with the Warriors in Dallas today, y'all have any interest in Anthony Davis as a potential trade target?
17:03In any way, shape, or form, yes or no?
17:0662% no.
17:08That's it?
17:0838% say yes.
17:09Oh, God.
17:10Yep.
17:11What do you mean that's it?
17:12You want it to just be 98% no?
17:14Right, right.
17:15I mean, he doesn't play, and he's not, I don't know, he's not the kind of player that I think that Draymond would love to play with.
17:21I got him for more games than Jimmy Butler for the rest of this year.
17:25Are you sure?
17:26No, I'm not.
17:27But that'd be my best.
17:30I like your chances, yeah.
17:31Odds on.
17:32Oh, let's talk to Keith in San Jose.
17:37Hi, Keith.
17:38Thank you for the call.
17:40Yeah, hi.
17:41I was eating my lunch, waiting for you guys.
17:44What was for lunch?
17:45I was just going to say peanut butter and jelly on toast.
17:50Oh, man, it never gets old.
17:51Go ahead, Keith.
17:52I'm no expert on this, but I was just thinking, given the Jimmy Butler situation, why don't they play Kaminga?
18:02He's not going to get better sitting on the bench.
18:05And I've heard somebody say that he only plays really well with Curry and Draymond.
18:11Okay, well, that's what you have right now.
18:14Use it.
18:15That's all I got.
18:16What do you guys think?
18:17I don't disagree with you, Keith.
18:18I mean, thank you very much.
18:20And enjoy that PB&J, man.
18:22I don't care how old you are.
18:23I'm honored.
18:24It's on.
18:25But anyway, I'm with you.
18:27I think I've largely been kind of saying that all week.
18:30I don't know what the exact machinations are, what the combinations necessarily will be.
18:35But we've arrived here.
18:38And especially if you don't like a deal that's on the table, well, then, yeah, let's do the Minnesota series for 30 games.
18:44Let's see what it looks like.
18:46And by the way, they sort of slipped into it the other night.
18:50But that is what happened.
18:51I don't know that that was the plan.
18:53And then they were down by 30.
18:55And so it kind of became like, why not?
18:56But I sort of feel that way at the start of games now.
19:00Why not?
19:02I mean, what do you have to lose?
19:03Why not?
19:04Other than him getting hurt, but that could be anybody.
19:06And, you know, somebody earlier was talking about, maybe it was Evan talking about, like, oh, tanking.
19:11You know, if you want to, if Steph would have got hurt, maybe you would have thought about tanking more than if Jimmy got hurt.
19:16And I kind of get that premise.
19:18But I don't think that Joe Lacob is ever going to go into full tank mode.
19:22And I think about the 2019-2020 season where Steph got hurt early after four or five games.
19:28And then Draymond got hurt and Clay was already out.
19:31And so that was a little bit more like early on, the writing was on the wall.
19:35And then COVID hit and you didn't go to the bubble and you wound up 15 and 50.
19:39Fine.
19:39That was a whole different story.
19:40But right now, you're very much in a play-in spot and you're chasing a playoff spot.
19:45So you're not just going to shut this down with Steph at 38.
19:48No way.
19:49No, no, not at all.
19:50But I, like, I think that there's, look, if you're in information gathering mode and they've sort of indicated that, like, they're going to have to trial and error and test and do different matchups.
20:01Then, yeah, let them be a part of them.
20:04Let them be a part of a bunch of them and see if something works.
20:06By the way, if it doesn't, then, I mean, that would probably further your point with some people.
20:13If he goes out there and his efficiency is terrible and the Warriors never win another basketball game again all year long, that'd be pretty damning.
20:21Yep, it would be.
20:22I mean, but if he goes out there and he shows that he's got these skills and maybe his demand goes up.
20:27I agree with that.
20:29Okay, Jumpin' Jack Flash on 280 apparently says he's got some very interesting things to say.
20:35Boy, you're setting a high bar for yourself now, Jack Flash.
20:41All right, not a problem, man.
20:43First off, let's start off with Steve Kerr, okay?
20:45Well, Steve Kerr, it's preposterous to think that he's a problem.
20:50He's got four titles.
20:52Now, he's won titles as an assistant coach, as a player.
20:58He's won Olympic gold medals.
21:00He knows what winning basketball looks like.
21:02Like, maybe, in years, is he phoning it in a little bit?
21:06If that's the case, it would be organizational.
21:10And anything, I'll put it this way.
21:15Steve Kerr is not a detriment to the Golden State Warriors whatsoever.
21:20Now, moving forward, organizationally, now this is where our problem truly lies.
21:26To allow Jonathan Kaminga to be so alienated, to allow him to be iced out the way he was, that was a mistake, obviously.
21:37We were one injury away from desperately needing him, and that was mismanaged by management.
21:42And we've been mismanaged by management for a while.
21:45I don't know if it's Joey Lighthers, who's the cause.
21:52I think it's more Bob Myers.
21:54I feel that him not wanting to be responsible for, let's say, changing up the personnel that was involved in our first three titles,
22:06and bringing Dunleavy in, I think that was kind of a chicken move, if you will.
22:14So, yeah, Jack, interesting comments.
22:18We've got to run.
22:18Warriors Live is about to start.
22:20If I agree that the Warriors have mismanaged Jonathan, can I actually add his name to it?
22:26I think Jonathan has mismanaged Jonathan.
22:29I think so.
22:29And his agent has, too.
22:30Aaron Turner.
22:31Yep, no doubt.
22:32Warriors also.
22:34Warriors also.
22:35No thing is ever 100% or zero.
22:38Even the Iuke thing, like the Niners and Iuke, and the whole thing was botched.
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